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doctormodinda: hello, got your messages tot he mailing list03:59
dindadoctormo: howdy03:59
doctormodinda: Your thoughts on the direction of this project with regards to development? Did you manage to see some of the proposal diagrams?04:10
Zachk18hello12:08
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txwikinger_workdoctormo: A response to the Jason Perlow article: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009092715140198817:50
doctormointeresting, thanks19:34
pleia2dinda: where are you on your ops course?19:40
pleia2dinda: in addition to the typical stuff from freenode and the IrcTeam, I have written this course: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Courses/IRCOp19:40
pleia2it's a couple years old, but I think it's all still valid, could probably use a revision talking about freenode's flag system19:41
dindapleia2: we have an outline that's about it so far19:56
dindapleia2: the whole point of using Moodle and building a course format is so that folks have a more guided experience, instead of just reading a wiki page19:56
pleia2dinda: of course :) I was offering up the link as a reference19:57
pleia2I think the most useful thing about mine is the "writing good bans and mutes" section19:57
dindapleia2: yip, so links like that are the basis of our course19:57
pleia2a lot of op guides miss this, and it's sorely needed19:57
pleia2right, same with all my and doctormo's courses so far19:57
dindapleia2: and after last night's Troll battle/discussion in #ubuntu-women, might be good to think about that too19:58
pleia2trying to snag more volunteers to help find us good documentation to do some of our course development with19:58
pleia2dinda: heh, I'm not even going to bother reading the backlog, that channel has been tiresome for me lately :)19:58
* pleia2 thinks "burnout" is a nice section for an ops guide too19:59
pleia2irc is so volatile20:00
* doctormo hugs pleia2 and dinda20:09
dindapleia2: agreed20:09
dindapleia2: one reason behind tackling the IRCops course first was I wanted a simple, quick victory :20:09
dinda:)20:09
* pleia2 hugs doctormo 20:10
pleia2thanks!20:10
* dinda high fives back doctormo20:10
dindadoctormo: about to reply back to your proposed roles20:11
dindadoctormo: do you want all those roles to map directly to Moodle roles?20:11
doctormodinda: Most of them will I think, but that's not what _I_ want, it should be a group decission.20:14
dindadoctormo: there are a few gotchas in assigning/setting moodle roles and permissions20:14
dindadoctormo: they're easy enough to customize but we discovered that unless a role also has to the full course files, then they often can't see the materials they are being asked to review. . .20:15
doctormodinda: It's unlikely moodle would be used for review though, because that happens before publication20:16
doctormodinda: Moodle only needs to contain publishers, students, teachers and techs. Others are by choice but not much function.20:17
doctormoOnlky publishers would be able to make courses with this proposal.20:17
dindaso would each role then be a different LP group with only publishers having commit rights?20:18
pleia2doctormo: I think workflow will still have to be somewhat settled, cprofitt and dinda are really more comfortable with the workflow in moodle - we might just have a workflow model that allows that and has someone else in the project backport the moodle courses into asciidoc for pdf release as needed20:18
pleia2and not to single them out, but since we already have two contributors who feel this way, I'm sure we'll have more in the future :)20:19
doctormopleia2: Of course we can accomedate various people's tool use, but the more complexity, the more dificulty in administration.20:20
pleia2doctormo: *nod* we certainly should have limitations on how flexible we should be, but I think this case is reasonable20:21
doctormoI'm hoping that each person can be taught with the right tools to get into editing and reviewing outside of moodle. But we can make that a progressive thing.20:21
pleia2I agree20:21
doctormoI sware at some point in my life I will take the natural english parser and write a plugin that checks over the grammar of everything I write so mistakes such as above don't happen.20:23
doctormoIt makes me look like a right thick idiot sometimes.20:23
pleia2no worries, you're among friends :)20:24
doctormoWhich is why I can get away with moaning about it ;-)20:25
pleia2hehe20:25
wazzuDoes anyone use Empathy instead of Pidgin?20:27
doctormoNot I, I'm still on 9.0420:30
* pleia2 uses bitlbee20:30
pleia2and irssi, suppose it matters whether you're asking about IM or IRC20:30
wazzuIt is available in 9.04.20:30
doctormopleia2: Oh I'm using Konversation of IRC20:32
wazzuI find Pidgin's interface somewhat awkward; Empathy looks a little nicer.  I just use IRC.20:32
doctormoHey wazzu, I haven't seen you up on here much before, are you getting involved in our learning community?20:38
wazzuI just got a new computer built and 9.04 setup so I just new on this channel.20:39
doctormowazzu: welcome20:40
pleia2doctormo: oh, I'm going to convert my course to asciidoc and flesh it out soon (maybe tonight if I'm not too much of a zombie)20:41
doctormopleia2: Nice, I'm going to convert the rest of mine and merge in BiosElements branch soon too20:41
pleia2awesome20:41
doctormoThese branches have been nice and cheap ways of experimenting with formats so far.20:42
wazzuThank you.  It seems like a nice group.20:42
Zachk18welcome wazzu20:48
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pleia2Zachk18: please stop using that here :(20:51
pleia2Zachk18: I've asked you several times20:51
wazzuWell, good day everyone; time to go.  Thanks for the kindly welcome.21:02
doctormopleia2: Who is the admin for this IRC channel?21:02
doctormowazzu: I look forward to seeing you again some time.21:02
pleia2doctormo_: I am (but bodhi, vantrax and cproffit are channel manager too21:35
pleia2dunno why you aren't, huh21:35
pleia2there we go21:36
pleia2so board members are channel admins21:37
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