[03:59] <doctormo> dinda: hello, got your messages tot he mailing list
[03:59] <dinda> doctormo: howdy
[04:10] <doctormo> dinda: Your thoughts on the direction of this project with regards to development? Did you manage to see some of the proposal diagrams?
[12:08] <Zachk18> hello
[17:50] <txwikinger_work> doctormo: A response to the Jason Perlow article: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090927151401988
[19:34] <doctormo> interesting, thanks
[19:40] <pleia2> dinda: where are you on your ops course?
[19:40] <pleia2> dinda: in addition to the typical stuff from freenode and the IrcTeam, I have written this course: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Courses/IRCOp
[19:41] <pleia2> it's a couple years old, but I think it's all still valid, could probably use a revision talking about freenode's flag system
[19:56] <dinda> pleia2: we have an outline that's about it so far
[19:56] <dinda> pleia2: the whole point of using Moodle and building a course format is so that folks have a more guided experience, instead of just reading a wiki page
[19:57] <pleia2> dinda: of course :) I was offering up the link as a reference
[19:57] <pleia2> I think the most useful thing about mine is the "writing good bans and mutes" section
[19:57] <dinda> pleia2: yip, so links like that are the basis of our course
[19:57] <pleia2> a lot of op guides miss this, and it's sorely needed
[19:57] <pleia2> right, same with all my and doctormo's courses so far
[19:58] <dinda> pleia2: and after last night's Troll battle/discussion in #ubuntu-women, might be good to think about that too
[19:58] <pleia2> trying to snag more volunteers to help find us good documentation to do some of our course development with
[19:58] <pleia2> dinda: heh, I'm not even going to bother reading the backlog, that channel has been tiresome for me lately :)
[19:59]  * pleia2 thinks "burnout" is a nice section for an ops guide too
[20:00] <pleia2> irc is so volatile
[20:09]  * doctormo hugs pleia2 and dinda
[20:09] <dinda> pleia2: agreed
[20:09] <dinda> pleia2: one reason behind tackling the IRCops course first was I wanted a simple, quick victory :
[20:09] <dinda> :)
[20:10]  * pleia2 hugs doctormo 
[20:10] <pleia2> thanks!
[20:10]  * dinda high fives back doctormo
[20:11] <dinda> doctormo: about to reply back to your proposed roles
[20:11] <dinda> doctormo: do you want all those roles to map directly to Moodle roles?
[20:14] <doctormo> dinda: Most of them will I think, but that's not what _I_ want, it should be a group decission.
[20:14] <dinda> doctormo: there are a few gotchas in assigning/setting moodle roles and permissions
[20:15] <dinda> doctormo: they're easy enough to customize but we discovered that unless a role also has to the full course files, then they often can't see the materials they are being asked to review. . .
[20:16] <doctormo> dinda: It's unlikely moodle would be used for review though, because that happens before publication
[20:17] <doctormo> dinda: Moodle only needs to contain publishers, students, teachers and techs. Others are by choice but not much function.
[20:17] <doctormo> Onlky publishers would be able to make courses with this proposal.
[20:18] <dinda> so would each role then be a different LP group with only publishers having commit rights?
[20:18] <pleia2> doctormo: I think workflow will still have to be somewhat settled, cprofitt and dinda are really more comfortable with the workflow in moodle - we might just have a workflow model that allows that and has someone else in the project backport the moodle courses into asciidoc for pdf release as needed
[20:19] <pleia2> and not to single them out, but since we already have two contributors who feel this way, I'm sure we'll have more in the future :)
[20:20] <doctormo> pleia2: Of course we can accomedate various people's tool use, but the more complexity, the more dificulty in administration.
[20:21] <pleia2> doctormo: *nod* we certainly should have limitations on how flexible we should be, but I think this case is reasonable
[20:21] <doctormo> I'm hoping that each person can be taught with the right tools to get into editing and reviewing outside of moodle. But we can make that a progressive thing.
[20:21] <pleia2> I agree
[20:23] <doctormo> I sware at some point in my life I will take the natural english parser and write a plugin that checks over the grammar of everything I write so mistakes such as above don't happen.
[20:23] <doctormo> It makes me look like a right thick idiot sometimes.
[20:24] <pleia2> no worries, you're among friends :)
[20:25] <doctormo> Which is why I can get away with moaning about it ;-)
[20:25] <pleia2> hehe
[20:27] <wazzu> Does anyone use Empathy instead of Pidgin?
[20:30] <doctormo> Not I, I'm still on 9.04
[20:30]  * pleia2 uses bitlbee
[20:30] <pleia2> and irssi, suppose it matters whether you're asking about IM or IRC
[20:30] <wazzu> It is available in 9.04.
[20:32] <doctormo> pleia2: Oh I'm using Konversation of IRC
[20:32] <wazzu> I find Pidgin's interface somewhat awkward; Empathy looks a little nicer.  I just use IRC.
[20:38] <doctormo> Hey wazzu, I haven't seen you up on here much before, are you getting involved in our learning community?
[20:39] <wazzu> I just got a new computer built and 9.04 setup so I just new on this channel.
[20:40] <doctormo> wazzu: welcome
[20:41] <pleia2> doctormo: oh, I'm going to convert my course to asciidoc and flesh it out soon (maybe tonight if I'm not too much of a zombie)
[20:41] <doctormo> pleia2: Nice, I'm going to convert the rest of mine and merge in BiosElements branch soon too
[20:41] <pleia2> awesome
[20:42] <doctormo> These branches have been nice and cheap ways of experimenting with formats so far.
[20:42] <wazzu> Thank you.  It seems like a nice group.
[20:48] <Zachk18> welcome wazzu
[20:50]  * Zachk18 is back (gone 00:00:31)
[20:51] <pleia2> Zachk18: please stop using that here :(
[20:51] <pleia2> Zachk18: I've asked you several times
[21:02] <wazzu> Well, good day everyone; time to go.  Thanks for the kindly welcome.
[21:02] <doctormo> pleia2: Who is the admin for this IRC channel?
[21:02] <doctormo> wazzu: I look forward to seeing you again some time.
[21:35] <pleia2> doctormo_: I am (but bodhi, vantrax and cproffit are channel manager too
[21:35] <pleia2> dunno why you aren't, huh
[21:36] <pleia2> there we go
[21:37] <pleia2> so board members are channel admins