=== Gyro_Gearloose is now known as Raidsong === Raidsong is now known as RAIDSONG === RAIDSONG is now known as Raidsong [03:59] dinda: hello, got your messages tot he mailing list [03:59] doctormo: howdy [04:10] dinda: Your thoughts on the direction of this project with regards to development? Did you manage to see some of the proposal diagrams? [12:08] hello === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-learning to: Ubuntu Community Learning Project | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | Next Meeting: Monday October 5th @ 6pm EDT (22:00 UTC October 5th) | Support in #ubuntu === Raidsong is now known as Z === Z is now known as Raidsong [17:50] doctormo: A response to the Jason Perlow article: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090927151401988 [19:34] interesting, thanks [19:40] dinda: where are you on your ops course? [19:40] dinda: in addition to the typical stuff from freenode and the IrcTeam, I have written this course: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Courses/IRCOp [19:41] it's a couple years old, but I think it's all still valid, could probably use a revision talking about freenode's flag system [19:56] pleia2: we have an outline that's about it so far [19:56] pleia2: the whole point of using Moodle and building a course format is so that folks have a more guided experience, instead of just reading a wiki page [19:57] dinda: of course :) I was offering up the link as a reference [19:57] I think the most useful thing about mine is the "writing good bans and mutes" section [19:57] pleia2: yip, so links like that are the basis of our course [19:57] a lot of op guides miss this, and it's sorely needed [19:57] right, same with all my and doctormo's courses so far [19:58] pleia2: and after last night's Troll battle/discussion in #ubuntu-women, might be good to think about that too [19:58] trying to snag more volunteers to help find us good documentation to do some of our course development with [19:58] dinda: heh, I'm not even going to bother reading the backlog, that channel has been tiresome for me lately :) [19:59] * pleia2 thinks "burnout" is a nice section for an ops guide too [20:00] irc is so volatile [20:09] * doctormo hugs pleia2 and dinda [20:09] pleia2: agreed [20:09] pleia2: one reason behind tackling the IRCops course first was I wanted a simple, quick victory : [20:09] :) [20:10] * pleia2 hugs doctormo [20:10] thanks! [20:10] * dinda high fives back doctormo [20:11] doctormo: about to reply back to your proposed roles [20:11] doctormo: do you want all those roles to map directly to Moodle roles? [20:14] dinda: Most of them will I think, but that's not what _I_ want, it should be a group decission. [20:14] doctormo: there are a few gotchas in assigning/setting moodle roles and permissions [20:15] doctormo: they're easy enough to customize but we discovered that unless a role also has to the full course files, then they often can't see the materials they are being asked to review. . . [20:16] dinda: It's unlikely moodle would be used for review though, because that happens before publication [20:17] dinda: Moodle only needs to contain publishers, students, teachers and techs. Others are by choice but not much function. [20:17] Onlky publishers would be able to make courses with this proposal. [20:18] so would each role then be a different LP group with only publishers having commit rights? [20:18] doctormo: I think workflow will still have to be somewhat settled, cprofitt and dinda are really more comfortable with the workflow in moodle - we might just have a workflow model that allows that and has someone else in the project backport the moodle courses into asciidoc for pdf release as needed [20:19] and not to single them out, but since we already have two contributors who feel this way, I'm sure we'll have more in the future :) [20:20] pleia2: Of course we can accomedate various people's tool use, but the more complexity, the more dificulty in administration. [20:21] doctormo: *nod* we certainly should have limitations on how flexible we should be, but I think this case is reasonable [20:21] I'm hoping that each person can be taught with the right tools to get into editing and reviewing outside of moodle. But we can make that a progressive thing. [20:21] I agree [20:23] I sware at some point in my life I will take the natural english parser and write a plugin that checks over the grammar of everything I write so mistakes such as above don't happen. [20:23] It makes me look like a right thick idiot sometimes. [20:24] no worries, you're among friends :) [20:25] Which is why I can get away with moaning about it ;-) [20:25] hehe [20:27] Does anyone use Empathy instead of Pidgin? [20:30] Not I, I'm still on 9.04 [20:30] * pleia2 uses bitlbee [20:30] and irssi, suppose it matters whether you're asking about IM or IRC [20:30] It is available in 9.04. [20:32] pleia2: Oh I'm using Konversation of IRC [20:32] I find Pidgin's interface somewhat awkward; Empathy looks a little nicer. I just use IRC. [20:38] Hey wazzu, I haven't seen you up on here much before, are you getting involved in our learning community? [20:39] I just got a new computer built and 9.04 setup so I just new on this channel. [20:40] wazzu: welcome [20:41] doctormo: oh, I'm going to convert my course to asciidoc and flesh it out soon (maybe tonight if I'm not too much of a zombie) [20:41] pleia2: Nice, I'm going to convert the rest of mine and merge in BiosElements branch soon too [20:41] awesome [20:42] These branches have been nice and cheap ways of experimenting with formats so far. [20:42] Thank you. It seems like a nice group. [20:48] welcome wazzu [20:50] * Zachk18 is back (gone 00:00:31) [20:51] Zachk18: please stop using that here :( [20:51] Zachk18: I've asked you several times [21:02] Well, good day everyone; time to go. Thanks for the kindly welcome. [21:02] pleia2: Who is the admin for this IRC channel? [21:02] wazzu: I look forward to seeing you again some time. [21:35] doctormo_: I am (but bodhi, vantrax and cproffit are channel manager too [21:35] dunno why you aren't, huh [21:36] there we go [21:37] so board members are channel admins === starcraftman is now known as starcraft === starcraft is now known as starcraftman