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rbelemhello all :-)14:57
mterrylool, bfiller, forgive my release-ignorance, but what's the moblin freeze policy regarding the beta?  Should I hold off updating packages to 2.1 until after the beta is blessed?15:16
bfillermterry: I'm guessing yes15:17
loolmterry: In theory yes15:18
loolmterry: In practice what matters is what it's in the image and you could push bug fixes to the PPA in the mean time15:18
loolJust don't push any complex changes or library transition etc.15:18
mterryYar.  But are you saying image is no longer pulling from PPA?  There's at least one new image spin coming before beta, I believe15:19
mterryAnd there's that important session fix in the PPA15:19
mterrylool: ^15:19
loolmterry: No15:23
loolmterry: we dont plan to respin anything15:23
loolunless we need to15:23
mterrylool: oh.  :(  so no session fix?  ah well15:23
loolmterry: Well I can respin15:23
loolmterry: if you tell me you have a fix for it15:23
loolmterry: We dont plan any right now15:23
loolmterry: Not for desktop, UNR etc.15:24
loolmterry: But if you have a beta critical fix such as the session one, go for it and I'll respin and retest15:24
mterrylool: I have a fix for it, it's in PPA.  However, other fixes are in PPA now too, so you'd end up doing more than a cherry pick15:24
loolmterry: Are all of these safe?15:24
loolProblem is that I cant block/review all PPA uploads as we do for main archive  :-(15:25
mterrylool: I didn't do any but mine.  I can't speak to safety, but I'd like to think they are...  :)15:25
loolbfiller: What about your changes?15:25
loolpaulliu, StevenK: You guys pushed moblin stuff?15:25
mterryOh, I did update moblin-menus.  That's probably pretty safe15:25
mterrypaulliu updated the cursor theme15:26
mterryIf 18 hours ago wasn't represented in the last image, there are more changes too..   gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon, etc.15:26
mterrymoblin-remix-meta15:27
loolmterry: Concerning update-a --display x-session-manager, it points to startmoblin15:27
bfillerlool: lots of packages were changed in the last 12-18 hours, don't really know what's working and what's not15:27
loolmterry: Is there anything else you wanted from that output?15:27
loolbfiller: That's a pity, cant tell whether I can respin or not  :-(15:27
mterrylool: yeah, but turns out that's not enough.  gdm prefers default.desktop, then gnome.desktop.  It only sometimes cares about x-session-manager15:27
loolmterry: So you fixed the other case?15:28
bfillerlool: I pushed a new meta packages and fixes for connman yesterday, should be safe15:28
mterrylool: well, the session thing is pretty bad.  It's like a moblin that's not really a moblin15:28
loolmterry: Ack15:28
mterrylool: yeah, I ship a default.desktop that points to moblin.desktop (ala xubuntu-default-settings)15:28
loolOk; I'll go for a respin15:28
loolmterry: excellent thanks15:28
mterrylool: cool15:28
* mterry crosses fingers15:29
bfillercan't be more broken then the current image :)15:29
mterrybfiller: how come the daily builds don't have stuff like gedit anymore?  seems very stripped down15:37
bfillermterry: I pushed a new meta package yesterday that should match what we did for moblin jaunty15:38
bfillermterry: has more of the utils15:38
mterrybfiller: ah, cool, I look forward to our new daily build then15:39
bfillermterry: +115:39
loolbfiller, paulliu, mterry: We will have to be much more careful with final coming up15:45
loolthere's no control to what we can push to PPA, but we need to release a decent image out of it15:45
mterryagreed15:46
bfillerlool: I'm guessing things should stablize a lot now, there has been a bunch of pushes necessary for the 2.1 upgrade15:46
bfillermany changed packages15:46
loolbfiller: We cant afford risky uploads near the release though, even if there's so much to fix15:47
bfillerlool: ok, it wasn't clear to me that we shouldn't be pushing the 2.1 packages to the PPA at this point15:48
loolbfiller: Yeah my bad actually15:48
loolbfiller: I think I completely forgot to mention that in our call on Monday15:48
loolIt was ok to push stuff, but I needed to release a beta image and I didn't mention the freeze or anythng15:49
loolselbstschuld15:49
bfillerlool: np, next time we will be more away15:49
bfillermore aware I mean15:49
loolOnly one last time: release  ;-)15:49
loolterranova.buildd finished at Wed Sep 30 15:32:02 BST 2009 (failed)15:49
loollivefs failed to build15:49
lool  ubuntu-moblin-remix: Depends: anjal but it is not going to be installed15:49
loolmterry, bfiller ^15:49
mterrygreat...15:50
bfillerlool: paulliu mentioned problems with anjal which was newly added to the meta package, I can remove it from meta package15:50
bfilleror wait until paul fixes issues with it15:51
loolbfiller: Cant wait15:51
loolis paulliu still around at all?15:51
loolHe usually goes late to bed but still  :)15:51
bfillerlool: I'll push new meta with anjal removed15:52
loolbfiller: thanks15:52
loolSo the problem is libnbtk-1.2-0 versus libnbtk-1.0-015:53
bfillerlool: pushed new moblin-remix-meta, need to wait till it builds15:59
bfillerlool: I'll ping you when it's built15:59
loolthanks16:06
bfillerlool: moblin-remix-meta published, should be good for build16:09
lool16 upgraded, 697 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.16:10
loolNeed to get 327MB of archives.16:10
loollooks good indeed16:10
loolplars, GrueMaster: We'll be having a new moblin remix image soon16:11
plarslool: ok16:11
plarsGrueMaster: *sigh* usb-creator still giving me fits on and off16:25
GrueMasterI have found that using gparted to reformat the usb drive first helps immensly.16:26
loolI use format and then unplug and replug the key16:27
loolit's quite annoying though16:27
GrueMasterIt's slower than if usb-creator would just wipe the drive first, butit is quicker than having usb-creator open the drive so you can start deleting random things.16:28
* lool tries without unplugging16:28
GrueMasterwith gparted, you don't need to unplug and plug in.  It simulates that step as part of the process.16:28
loolWhat annoys me is that it I get a nautilus window on the drive16:28
loolDespite having automount off16:28
ogragparted is sooo yesterday 16:33
ogrause palimpsest#+16:33
ogra*palimpsest16:33
plarsodd, I just tested oem install, which went pretty well, then remembered something I wanted to check.  When I booted it back up again under vbox it just hangs at a black screen16:36
loolplars: are you running multiple vboxes?16:36
loolplars: Do you see grub, usplash, anything?16:36
plarslool: yes, I get through grub and usplash, then when the resolution change happens (gdm?) it just sits at a black screen16:37
plarslool: I was running multiple ones briefly, then decided that was a bad idea16:37
GrueMasterplars: did you install the VBoxAdditions?  There is an issue with their driver and 3D support enabled.16:38
plarsGrueMaster: no, hadn't done that16:38
plarsGrueMaster: and yes, aware of that issue16:38
GrueMasterWhat version of VBox are you running?16:38
plars3.0616:39
GrueMasterok16:39
GrueMastersame here.16:39
loolplars: gdm should start xsplash16:40
paulliulool: hi. I'm trying to make anjal build by the right way.16:40
loolplars: I didnt try a vbox install; booting live in vbox doesn't require any addition so I'd be surprized if the installed system would16:40
loolpaulliu: Yeah, what's up?16:41
paulliulool: Well. The current anjal is good for Karmic universe. But to use it in Moblin, we have to build it with different configuration. And also it have to be build against evo-dbus things as well.16:41
paulliulool: So it needs to migrate to nbtk 1.2. New anerley, and.. evo-dbus and eds-dbus things.16:42
plarslool: right, worked fine through the user install process and everything, wasn't until the subsequent reboot that I had an issue, so might just be an odd fluke.  Hence why I'm trying to get usb-creator working so I can try it outside of vbox16:42
paulliulool: current anjal in unverise is built with --with-anerley=no. It's good but it will look different than what we want with moblin.16:43
plarsbrb16:46
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loolpaulliu: Ok16:46
loolpaulliu: So there are two things to consider16:47
loolpaulliu: One is what we do on the long term there16:47
loolpaulliu: Is it possible to build --with-anerley=yes in universe or doesn't it make sense?16:47
loolpaulliu: If it doesn't make sense, then we need to build two versions; change the build to have two passes and create a new anjal-anerley binary package to install the second pass16:48
loolpaulliu: check e.g. cheese/cheese-hildon as an example16:48
paulliulool: Doesn't make sense. Because anerley is part of moblin. To built with anerley=yes is easy in universe. But without eds-dbus, anjal won't work properly.16:48
loolnew UMR up for grabs16:48
paulliulool: anerley is still not in universe today because we didn't have new version of telepathy-mission-control-5 and thus our anerley contains tmc5's source code inside.16:49
GrueMasterlool: 20090930 or newer?16:49
paulliulool: That's a major block of anerley.16:49
loolStevenK bfiller mterry paulliu GrueMaster: New UMR posted16:49
loolGrueMaster: 2009093016:50
mterrylool: hot!16:50
loolpaulliu: Ok; seb12 told me he'd push tmc 0.9.0 after beta16:50
lool*seb12816:50
GrueMastergetting it now.16:50
loolpaulliu: So after that's done, we can do it16:50
loolpaulliu: Perhaps you can start preparing the anjal package to be like that in ppa?16:51
paulliulool: Yes. But still with TMC5 patch.16:51
loolpaulliu: i.e. two passes16:51
loolpaulliu: We wont need the TMC patch after beta in universe16:51
loolpaulliu: Oh you mean a port of anjal?16:51
loolpaulliu: Ok16:51
loolpaulliu: Hmm is it intrusive?16:51
paulliulool: Ah. It's port patch. :) Because TMC5 port patch contains 2 parts. One is to modify anerley. One is to add tmc5 inside anerley16:51
loolpaulliu: Ok; it's fine to push anerley with TMC5 patch to universe16:52
loolpaulliu: But the tmc5 copy wont be needed16:52
paulliulool: OK. 16:52
loolpaulliu: Because seb128 will include tmc 0.9.0 after beta16:52
paulliulool: Yes. It will be removed when we have a good tmc516:52
loolpaulliu: So if you like, start preparing an anjal which builds in two passes so that we can keep "anjal" what it is (--with-anerley=no) and have a new binary package which is built with anerley support ("anjal-anerley")16:53
loolpaulliu: We will need a new FFE for that change16:53
loolpaulliu: But we can start doing that in PPA already16:53
loolpaulliu: BTW new TMC is in unstable alreayd; you can push anerley there   :-)16:53
paulliulool: Wait. How to solve the evolution-dbus dependencies for anjal?16:53
loolpaulliu: We will just rebuild anjal in PPA16:54
loolBut keep most of the source in karmic16:54
paulliulool: ok.16:54
paulliulool: OK. Agreed.16:54
paulliulool: Will do that.16:54
loolpaulliu: Cool; thanks for your work!16:54
loolmterry: You rock!  :)17:10
mterrylool: you mean you get moblin?  :)  yay17:10
loolSo the next big thing is that there's no icon to install this stuff17:11
loolI can launch ubiquity by hand though17:11
mterrylool: it's in apps->Settings17:11
mterrylool: but yeah, it should be in favorites or something so it's on the first panel17:11
looloh really, great17:11
loolI was worried17:11
loolmterry: Would be a nice thing for final17:12
loolFrankly it's not shiny but if it installs like that I'm happy to release that as the developer preview image we announced for karmic17:12
mterrylool: it does install like it looks in the live image, thankfully17:13
loolmterry: Cool17:14
loolI'll do an install test now17:14
loolin vbox17:14
plarslool, GrueMaster: so I just reproduced this again under vbox with oem install, haven't tried with normal install yet but I have that running on my eee right now17:27
plarsat the point we exit usplash ubuntu logo, the screen resolution changes and I get a black screen, where it hangs17:28
bfillerlool: I'm installing now on a netbook17:28
GrueMasterplars: what steps have you taken?  I'll see if I can reproduce it here.17:30
plarsGrueMaster: pretty much just a straight oem install, taking all the defaults17:30
plarsGrueMaster: I get through the first reboot, and do the prepare for end user, then I reboot and go through the user setup, all that works fine17:31
plarsGrueMaster: but at that point, if I reboot again, it won't come back up17:31
GrueMasterOk, will try here.17:31
GrueMasterHey, here's an odd user-scenario bug.  Do a normal install with encrypted home directory.  Reboot and set home directory pass phrase.  Once logged in fully, use the  login screen applet under system administration to change the user to auto-login.  What happens is several apps (icewm, nautilus, etc) complain about creating files in the home directory, and you are left with a blank screen w/ background.  To fix, press power button and a17:39
GrueMasterI wonder why moblin remix takes so much longer to download than UNR?  UNR xfer rate was bouncing in the 200-700kBps range, and UMR is bouncing between 5-70 kBps.  Using zsync for both from cdimage.ubuntu.com17:41
GrueMasterplars: I am unable to reproduce the issues you are seeing in Vbox.18:04
plarsGrueMaster: ok, I'm retrying on real hardware... in the meantime, I was able to make it boot finally under vbox, but no rhyme or reason to it.  *could* just be some quirkyness with vbox, which wouldn't surprise me, but I want to be sure18:06
loolplars: That sounds like it, but best to double check18:11
loolplars: Thanks for your careful testing :)18:11
physichello allll 21:56
physichow i can connect to internet from mobile in ubuntu??????????21:57
playyawhat do you want to use? UMTS,WiFi,LAN?22:01
physicany one can answer?22:07
physicno ineed to use dial up or anything can connect from mobile22:07
tsonculphysic: what version of Ubuntu are you using?22:12
physichardy heron22:13
tsonculphysic: I don't know about hardy that well. You might want to try #ubuntu22:14
tsonculphysic: It's a better-frequented chatroom, and they22:14
tsoncul-- focus on stable releases22:14
physicgood thanks22:21
physici saw this channel called ubuntu-mobile i thoght may be use full22:21
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plarsGrueMaster: web browser seems to be broken in the current moblin image23:08
plarsGrueMaster: doesn't ever get anywhere, no error, nothing, just a blank page23:09
plarsGrueMaster: either that, or all web pages have suddenly been replaced with "<html></html>" :)23:09
GrueMasterThere is a bug filed on that.23:09
plarsGrueMaster: oh, was there one already? I didn't see it, what's the #?23:09
GrueMasterneed to chmod 644 /etc/resolve.conf23:09
plarsah, I remember seeing that23:10
plarsGrueMaster: nope, it's already 64423:10
GrueMasterBig bug.23:15
GrueMasterTry moblin-web-browser slashdot.com in a terminal.  Quite impressive.23:15
plarsGrueMaster: what, the clutter-mozheadless errors?23:21
GrueMasterNo, the three tabs that get launched in the browser.23:22
plarsGrueMaster: I don't see that23:22
GrueMasterall blank of course.23:22
plarsGrueMaster: I don't get any tabs23:22
GrueMasterweird.23:22
plarsoh23:22
plarsyes I do, but just for that site23:22
plarsGrueMaster: I seem to get additional tabs each time I launch, with any site23:24
GrueMasterwget pulls a webpage no problem.23:43
GrueMasterand apt-get works (wget isn't installed by default.23:43
GrueMaster)23:44
SgtOompaHi, i'm trying to install Ubuntu MID on my Samsung Q1U but I can't get the image to boot from my USB drive, can someone help me?23:58

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