[14:57] <rbelem> hello all :-)
[15:16] <mterry> lool, bfiller, forgive my release-ignorance, but what's the moblin freeze policy regarding the beta?  Should I hold off updating packages to 2.1 until after the beta is blessed?
[15:17] <bfiller> mterry: I'm guessing yes
[15:18] <lool> mterry: In theory yes
[15:18] <lool> mterry: In practice what matters is what it's in the image and you could push bug fixes to the PPA in the mean time
[15:18] <lool> Just don't push any complex changes or library transition etc.
[15:19] <mterry> Yar.  But are you saying image is no longer pulling from PPA?  There's at least one new image spin coming before beta, I believe
[15:19] <mterry> And there's that important session fix in the PPA
[15:19] <mterry> lool: ^
[15:23] <lool> mterry: No
[15:23] <lool> mterry: we dont plan to respin anything
[15:23] <lool> unless we need to
[15:23] <mterry> lool: oh.  :(  so no session fix?  ah well
[15:23] <lool> mterry: Well I can respin
[15:23] <lool> mterry: if you tell me you have a fix for it
[15:23] <lool> mterry: We dont plan any right now
[15:24] <lool> mterry: Not for desktop, UNR etc.
[15:24] <lool> mterry: But if you have a beta critical fix such as the session one, go for it and I'll respin and retest
[15:24] <mterry> lool: I have a fix for it, it's in PPA.  However, other fixes are in PPA now too, so you'd end up doing more than a cherry pick
[15:24] <lool> mterry: Are all of these safe?
[15:25] <lool> Problem is that I cant block/review all PPA uploads as we do for main archive  :-(
[15:25] <mterry> lool: I didn't do any but mine.  I can't speak to safety, but I'd like to think they are...  :)
[15:25] <lool> bfiller: What about your changes?
[15:25] <lool> paulliu, StevenK: You guys pushed moblin stuff?
[15:25] <mterry> Oh, I did update moblin-menus.  That's probably pretty safe
[15:26] <mterry> paulliu updated the cursor theme
[15:26] <mterry> If 18 hours ago wasn't represented in the last image, there are more changes too..   gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon, etc.
[15:27] <mterry> moblin-remix-meta
[15:27] <lool> mterry: Concerning update-a --display x-session-manager, it points to startmoblin
[15:27] <bfiller> lool: lots of packages were changed in the last 12-18 hours, don't really know what's working and what's not
[15:27] <lool> mterry: Is there anything else you wanted from that output?
[15:27] <lool> bfiller: That's a pity, cant tell whether I can respin or not  :-(
[15:27] <mterry> lool: yeah, but turns out that's not enough.  gdm prefers default.desktop, then gnome.desktop.  It only sometimes cares about x-session-manager
[15:28] <lool> mterry: So you fixed the other case?
[15:28] <bfiller> lool: I pushed a new meta packages and fixes for connman yesterday, should be safe
[15:28] <mterry> lool: well, the session thing is pretty bad.  It's like a moblin that's not really a moblin
[15:28] <lool> mterry: Ack
[15:28] <mterry> lool: yeah, I ship a default.desktop that points to moblin.desktop (ala xubuntu-default-settings)
[15:28] <lool> Ok; I'll go for a respin
[15:28] <lool> mterry: excellent thanks
[15:28] <mterry> lool: cool
[15:29]  * mterry crosses fingers
[15:29] <bfiller> can't be more broken then the current image :)
[15:37] <mterry> bfiller: how come the daily builds don't have stuff like gedit anymore?  seems very stripped down
[15:38] <bfiller> mterry: I pushed a new meta package yesterday that should match what we did for moblin jaunty
[15:38] <bfiller> mterry: has more of the utils
[15:39] <mterry> bfiller: ah, cool, I look forward to our new daily build then
[15:39] <bfiller> mterry: +1
[15:45] <lool> bfiller, paulliu, mterry: We will have to be much more careful with final coming up
[15:45] <lool> there's no control to what we can push to PPA, but we need to release a decent image out of it
[15:46] <mterry> agreed
[15:46] <bfiller> lool: I'm guessing things should stablize a lot now, there has been a bunch of pushes necessary for the 2.1 upgrade
[15:46] <bfiller> many changed packages
[15:47] <lool> bfiller: We cant afford risky uploads near the release though, even if there's so much to fix
[15:48] <bfiller> lool: ok, it wasn't clear to me that we shouldn't be pushing the 2.1 packages to the PPA at this point
[15:48] <lool> bfiller: Yeah my bad actually
[15:48] <lool> bfiller: I think I completely forgot to mention that in our call on Monday
[15:49] <lool> It was ok to push stuff, but I needed to release a beta image and I didn't mention the freeze or anythng
[15:49] <lool> selbstschuld
[15:49] <bfiller> lool: np, next time we will be more away
[15:49] <bfiller> more aware I mean
[15:49] <lool> Only one last time: release  ;-)
[15:49] <lool> terranova.buildd finished at Wed Sep 30 15:32:02 BST 2009 (failed)
[15:49] <lool> livefs failed to build
[15:49] <lool>   ubuntu-moblin-remix: Depends: anjal but it is not going to be installed
[15:49] <lool> mterry, bfiller ^
[15:50] <mterry> great...
[15:50] <bfiller> lool: paulliu mentioned problems with anjal which was newly added to the meta package, I can remove it from meta package
[15:51] <bfiller> or wait until paul fixes issues with it
[15:51] <lool> bfiller: Cant wait
[15:51] <lool> is paulliu still around at all?
[15:51] <lool> He usually goes late to bed but still  :)
[15:52] <bfiller> lool: I'll push new meta with anjal removed
[15:52] <lool> bfiller: thanks
[15:53] <lool> So the problem is libnbtk-1.2-0 versus libnbtk-1.0-0
[15:59] <bfiller> lool: pushed new moblin-remix-meta, need to wait till it builds
[15:59] <bfiller> lool: I'll ping you when it's built
[16:06] <lool> thanks
[16:09] <bfiller> lool: moblin-remix-meta published, should be good for build
[16:10] <lool> 16 upgraded, 697 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.
[16:10] <lool> Need to get 327MB of archives.
[16:10] <lool> looks good indeed
[16:11] <lool> plars, GrueMaster: We'll be having a new moblin remix image soon
[16:11] <plars> lool: ok
[16:25] <plars> GrueMaster: *sigh* usb-creator still giving me fits on and off
[16:26] <GrueMaster> I have found that using gparted to reformat the usb drive first helps immensly.
[16:27] <lool> I use format and then unplug and replug the key
[16:27] <lool> it's quite annoying though
[16:28] <GrueMaster> It's slower than if usb-creator would just wipe the drive first, butit is quicker than having usb-creator open the drive so you can start deleting random things.
[16:28]  * lool tries without unplugging
[16:28] <GrueMaster> with gparted, you don't need to unplug and plug in.  It simulates that step as part of the process.
[16:28] <lool> What annoys me is that it I get a nautilus window on the drive
[16:28] <lool> Despite having automount off
[16:33] <ogra> gparted is sooo yesterday 
[16:33] <ogra> use palimpsest#+
[16:33] <ogra> *palimpsest
[16:36] <plars> odd, I just tested oem install, which went pretty well, then remembered something I wanted to check.  When I booted it back up again under vbox it just hangs at a black screen
[16:36] <lool> plars: are you running multiple vboxes?
[16:36] <lool> plars: Do you see grub, usplash, anything?
[16:37] <plars> lool: yes, I get through grub and usplash, then when the resolution change happens (gdm?) it just sits at a black screen
[16:37] <plars> lool: I was running multiple ones briefly, then decided that was a bad idea
[16:38] <GrueMaster> plars: did you install the VBoxAdditions?  There is an issue with their driver and 3D support enabled.
[16:38] <plars> GrueMaster: no, hadn't done that
[16:38] <plars> GrueMaster: and yes, aware of that issue
[16:38] <GrueMaster> What version of VBox are you running?
[16:39] <plars> 3.06
[16:39] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:39] <GrueMaster> same here.
[16:40] <lool> plars: gdm should start xsplash
[16:40] <paulliu> lool: hi. I'm trying to make anjal build by the right way.
[16:40] <lool> plars: I didnt try a vbox install; booting live in vbox doesn't require any addition so I'd be surprized if the installed system would
[16:41] <lool> paulliu: Yeah, what's up?
[16:41] <paulliu> lool: Well. The current anjal is good for Karmic universe. But to use it in Moblin, we have to build it with different configuration. And also it have to be build against evo-dbus things as well.
[16:42] <paulliu> lool: So it needs to migrate to nbtk 1.2. New anerley, and.. evo-dbus and eds-dbus things.
[16:42] <plars> lool: right, worked fine through the user install process and everything, wasn't until the subsequent reboot that I had an issue, so might just be an odd fluke.  Hence why I'm trying to get usb-creator working so I can try it outside of vbox
[16:43] <paulliu> lool: current anjal in unverise is built with --with-anerley=no. It's good but it will look different than what we want with moblin.
[16:46] <plars> brb
[16:46] <lool> paulliu: Ok
[16:47] <lool> paulliu: So there are two things to consider
[16:47] <lool> paulliu: One is what we do on the long term there
[16:47] <lool> paulliu: Is it possible to build --with-anerley=yes in universe or doesn't it make sense?
[16:48] <lool> paulliu: If it doesn't make sense, then we need to build two versions; change the build to have two passes and create a new anjal-anerley binary package to install the second pass
[16:48] <lool> paulliu: check e.g. cheese/cheese-hildon as an example
[16:48] <paulliu> lool: Doesn't make sense. Because anerley is part of moblin. To built with anerley=yes is easy in universe. But without eds-dbus, anjal won't work properly.
[16:48] <lool> new UMR up for grabs
[16:49] <paulliu> lool: anerley is still not in universe today because we didn't have new version of telepathy-mission-control-5 and thus our anerley contains tmc5's source code inside.
[16:49] <GrueMaster> lool: 20090930 or newer?
[16:49] <paulliu> lool: That's a major block of anerley.
[16:49] <lool> StevenK bfiller mterry paulliu GrueMaster: New UMR posted
[16:50] <lool> GrueMaster: 20090930
[16:50] <mterry> lool: hot!
[16:50] <lool> paulliu: Ok; seb12 told me he'd push tmc 0.9.0 after beta
[16:50] <lool> *seb128
[16:50] <GrueMaster> getting it now.
[16:50] <lool> paulliu: So after that's done, we can do it
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: Perhaps you can start preparing the anjal package to be like that in ppa?
[16:51] <paulliu> lool: Yes. But still with TMC5 patch.
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: i.e. two passes
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: We wont need the TMC patch after beta in universe
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: Oh you mean a port of anjal?
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: Ok
[16:51] <lool> paulliu: Hmm is it intrusive?
[16:51] <paulliu> lool: Ah. It's port patch. :) Because TMC5 port patch contains 2 parts. One is to modify anerley. One is to add tmc5 inside anerley
[16:52] <lool> paulliu: Ok; it's fine to push anerley with TMC5 patch to universe
[16:52] <lool> paulliu: But the tmc5 copy wont be needed
[16:52] <paulliu> lool: OK. 
[16:52] <lool> paulliu: Because seb128 will include tmc 0.9.0 after beta
[16:52] <paulliu> lool: Yes. It will be removed when we have a good tmc5
[16:53] <lool> paulliu: So if you like, start preparing an anjal which builds in two passes so that we can keep "anjal" what it is (--with-anerley=no) and have a new binary package which is built with anerley support ("anjal-anerley")
[16:53] <lool> paulliu: We will need a new FFE for that change
[16:53] <lool> paulliu: But we can start doing that in PPA already
[16:53] <lool> paulliu: BTW new TMC is in unstable alreayd; you can push anerley there   :-)
[16:53] <paulliu> lool: Wait. How to solve the evolution-dbus dependencies for anjal?
[16:54] <lool> paulliu: We will just rebuild anjal in PPA
[16:54] <lool> But keep most of the source in karmic
[16:54] <paulliu> lool: ok.
[16:54] <paulliu> lool: OK. Agreed.
[16:54] <paulliu> lool: Will do that.
[16:54] <lool> paulliu: Cool; thanks for your work!
[17:10] <lool> mterry: You rock!  :)
[17:10] <mterry> lool: you mean you get moblin?  :)  yay
[17:11] <lool> So the next big thing is that there's no icon to install this stuff
[17:11] <lool> I can launch ubiquity by hand though
[17:11] <mterry> lool: it's in apps->Settings
[17:11] <mterry> lool: but yeah, it should be in favorites or something so it's on the first panel
[17:11] <lool> oh really, great
[17:11] <lool> I was worried
[17:12] <lool> mterry: Would be a nice thing for final
[17:12] <lool> Frankly it's not shiny but if it installs like that I'm happy to release that as the developer preview image we announced for karmic
[17:13] <mterry> lool: it does install like it looks in the live image, thankfully
[17:14] <lool> mterry: Cool
[17:14] <lool> I'll do an install test now
[17:14] <lool> in vbox
[17:27] <plars> lool, GrueMaster: so I just reproduced this again under vbox with oem install, haven't tried with normal install yet but I have that running on my eee right now
[17:28] <plars> at the point we exit usplash ubuntu logo, the screen resolution changes and I get a black screen, where it hangs
[17:28] <bfiller> lool: I'm installing now on a netbook
[17:30] <GrueMaster> plars: what steps have you taken?  I'll see if I can reproduce it here.
[17:30] <plars> GrueMaster: pretty much just a straight oem install, taking all the defaults
[17:31] <plars> GrueMaster: I get through the first reboot, and do the prepare for end user, then I reboot and go through the user setup, all that works fine
[17:31] <plars> GrueMaster: but at that point, if I reboot again, it won't come back up
[17:31] <GrueMaster> Ok, will try here.
[17:39] <GrueMaster> Hey, here's an odd user-scenario bug.  Do a normal install with encrypted home directory.  Reboot and set home directory pass phrase.  Once logged in fully, use the  login screen applet under system administration to change the user to auto-login.  What happens is several apps (icewm, nautilus, etc) complain about creating files in the home directory, and you are left with a blank screen w/ background.  To fix, press power button and a
[17:41] <GrueMaster> I wonder why moblin remix takes so much longer to download than UNR?  UNR xfer rate was bouncing in the 200-700kBps range, and UMR is bouncing between 5-70 kBps.  Using zsync for both from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:04] <GrueMaster> plars: I am unable to reproduce the issues you are seeing in Vbox.
[18:06] <plars> GrueMaster: ok, I'm retrying on real hardware... in the meantime, I was able to make it boot finally under vbox, but no rhyme or reason to it.  *could* just be some quirkyness with vbox, which wouldn't surprise me, but I want to be sure
[18:11] <lool> plars: That sounds like it, but best to double check
[18:11] <lool> plars: Thanks for your careful testing :)
[21:56] <physic> hello allll 
[21:57] <physic> how i can connect to internet from mobile in ubuntu??????????
[22:01] <playya> what do you want to use? UMTS,WiFi,LAN?
[22:07] <physic> any one can answer?
[22:07] <physic> no ineed to use dial up or anything can connect from mobile
[22:12] <tsoncul> physic: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[22:13] <physic> hardy heron
[22:14] <tsoncul> physic: I don't know about hardy that well. You might want to try #ubuntu
[22:14] <tsoncul> physic: It's a better-frequented chatroom, and they
[22:14] <tsoncul> -- focus on stable releases
[22:21] <physic> good thanks
[22:21] <physic> i saw this channel called ubuntu-mobile i thoght may be use full
[23:08] <plars> GrueMaster: web browser seems to be broken in the current moblin image
[23:09] <plars> GrueMaster: doesn't ever get anywhere, no error, nothing, just a blank page
[23:09] <plars> GrueMaster: either that, or all web pages have suddenly been replaced with "<html></html>" :)
[23:09] <GrueMaster> There is a bug filed on that.
[23:09] <plars> GrueMaster: oh, was there one already? I didn't see it, what's the #?
[23:09] <GrueMaster> need to chmod 644 /etc/resolve.conf
[23:10] <plars> ah, I remember seeing that
[23:10] <plars> GrueMaster: nope, it's already 644
[23:15] <GrueMaster> Big bug.
[23:15] <GrueMaster> Try moblin-web-browser slashdot.com in a terminal.  Quite impressive.
[23:21] <plars> GrueMaster: what, the clutter-mozheadless errors?
[23:22] <GrueMaster> No, the three tabs that get launched in the browser.
[23:22] <plars> GrueMaster: I don't see that
[23:22] <GrueMaster> all blank of course.
[23:22] <plars> GrueMaster: I don't get any tabs
[23:22] <GrueMaster> weird.
[23:22] <plars> oh
[23:22] <plars> yes I do, but just for that site
[23:24] <plars> GrueMaster: I seem to get additional tabs each time I launch, with any site
[23:43] <GrueMaster> wget pulls a webpage no problem.
[23:43] <GrueMaster> and apt-get works (wget isn't installed by default.
[23:44] <GrueMaster> )
[23:58] <SgtOompa> Hi, i'm trying to install Ubuntu MID on my Samsung Q1U but I can't get the image to boot from my USB drive, can someone help me?