[00:16] <gbutters> not tonight testing beta cd
[02:02] <kd8bxp> I have a problem - Hope someone can help - I just installed Mythbuntu 9.04 - when I play back video files I have sound, but no video at all - default install, mplayer - I did install the non-free and restricted codecs, is there a way to use totem which was not installed?
[03:28] <mishehu> am I going to screw something up with the kernel modules if I follow the instructions at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 ?
[03:29] <mishehu> it's building a crapload of kernel modules (not just for the HVR 22xx series)
[06:18] <purefusion> trying to install without a cd-rom drive is turning out to be quite the tricky task
[06:21] <superm1> use a usb stick
[06:28] <purefusion> I am, kinda
[06:29] <purefusion> I have a normal Jaunty USB stick, and was trying to follow the Hard Drive install here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Alternative-Installation-Methods-for-Hardy-86977.shtml
[06:30] <purefusion> I guess I could temporarily swap it with mythbuntu files extracted from the iso
[06:31] <purefusion> shame I cant get VNC to connect to the machine though... this TV isnt the best of qualities
[06:39] <superm1> geez talk about overkill
[06:39] <superm1> use usb-creator
[06:39] <superm1> it can burn a mythbuntu iso to a usb stick no problem
[06:40] <purefusion> I couldn't get that to work last I attempted it
[06:40] <purefusion> but now that I think of it, I believe that was a BIOS configuration issue
[15:01] <mishehu> superm1: thought you might like to know that I got the hauppage hvr 2250 working
[15:02] <mishehu> it was really a piece of cake to do, as it comes up as a dvb card.
[15:02] <mishehu> just needed the recent drivers from linuxtv.org
[15:02] <CyberKnet> I also did that the other night. Really easy to do.
[15:02] <mishehu> CyberKnet: ah you got the card too?  nice isn't it?
[15:02] <CyberKnet> mishehu: Yep, if only it could do analog in linux too
[15:03] <mishehu> it'll even be better when they add in the analog support so that it can also do analog signals
[15:03] <CyberKnet> yeah
[15:03] <CyberKnet> Agreed.
[15:03] <mishehu> I'm sure it's in the works
[15:03] <CyberKnet> I need more disk space though
[15:03] <CyberKnet> 8Gb / Hr
[15:03] <CyberKnet> *man*
[15:03] <mishehu> and if not I do have a pvr 250 laying around somewhere still
[15:03] <CyberKnet> I have a PVR-500, but have issues with it in Mythbuntu
[15:03] <CyberKnet> worked fine in Fedora 10
[15:03] <CyberKnet> Mythbuntu 9.04 it's unwatchable.
[15:03] <mishehu> CyberKnet: yeah I hear that!  I'm going to need to set up some automatic removal of commercials and transcoding on anything I keep
[15:04] <mishehu> the only thing I don't have working yet is my remote
[15:04] <mishehu> the lirc_mceusb2 module is loaded and lirc running, but myth isn't responding to keypresses...
[15:05] <mishehu> (I had a pinnacle media center remote that is listed in lirc's website as being supported by the lirc_mceusb2 module)
[15:05] <CyberKnet> I have a microsoft media center remote / receiver that uses that module
[15:05] <mishehu> do you think it might have something to do with the "use dynamic mapping" option?
[15:05] <CyberKnet> didn't have any issues other than not liking the initial mappin
[15:06] <CyberKnet> I don't know ...  I had that option checked.
[15:06] <CyberKnet> I've used Fedora for the last five years or more ... very new to Mythbuntu
[15:06] <CyberKnet> typed in "service mythbackend stop
[15:07] <CyberKnet> and was confused when it didn't have the service command :)
[15:07] <CyberKnet> then remembered my slackware days and typed /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[15:07] <CyberKnet> heh
[15:07] <mishehu> I use slackware...  what is this service command you speak of?  *grin*
[15:07] <mishehu> slackware and mythbuntu that is
[15:07] <CyberKnet> exactly :)
[15:07] <mishehu> actually slackware style is in /etc/rc.d
[15:08] <CyberKnet> yeah
[15:08] <CyberKnet> I looked for rc.d first, saw rc0.d and init.d
[15:08] <mishehu> I have replaced somethings with launching in /etc/rc.d/rc.local with launching them via djb's daemontools
[15:12] <mishehu> anyway, I'm looking for instructions on the key mappings...  if I selected dynamic mappings, does that mean I have to make an lircrc file in my homedir?
[15:13] <CyberKnet> no, it created for me in ~/.lirc/
[15:13] <CyberKnet> iirc
[15:13] <CyberKnet> one for mythtv, mplayer, xine, etc
[15:13] <mishehu> hmm I do see that yes
[15:14] <mishehu> wonder why the hell it's not picking up any of the key presses
[15:14] <Zinn> mishehu: Please watch your language.
[15:14] <CyberKnet> Those were what were active and working for me
[15:15] <CyberKnet> except the "back" button on my remote wasn't mapped at all.
[15:15] <CyberKnet> which was weird.
[15:16] <mishehu> isn't irw the program in lirc that will listen for keypresses and print it out on the screen?
[15:17] <CyberKnet> I thought it was the one that would generate a remote configuration file - but yes, would print out keypresses on the screen as it went
[15:21] <mishehu> CyberKnet: ugh no luck
[15:21] <mishehu> and I made sure the remote itself is transmitting (hold it up to a digicam and see if it lights up when a button is pressed)
[15:27] <CyberKnet> hmmm
[15:28] <CyberKnet> maybe the receiver doesn't work with that module?
[15:31] <superm1> CyberKnet, about your PVR-500 - try turning off VBI
[15:31] <superm1> its somewhere in the backend setup
[15:31] <CyberKnet> superm1: Hmmm.... I hadn't considered that
[15:31] <CyberKnet> That will cause trouble then?
[15:31] <CyberKnet> interesting.
[15:31] <superm1> for a lot of people, yes
[15:31] <CyberKnet> Thanks for the thought, I really appreciate it :)
[15:32] <CyberKnet> That would be awesome if it fixes it.
[15:36] <mishehu> superm1: any thoughts about my remote not picking up the key presses?
[15:36] <mishehu> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 2304:0225 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex]
[15:37] <mishehu> that's my remote, it's selected as a newer media center remote (i.e. phillips)
[15:37] <superm1> get a remote that you know is supported? :)
[15:37] <mishehu> and lirc_mceusb2 is loaded
[15:37] <superm1> ah so it's supposed to be using lirc-mceusb2...
[15:37] <superm1> try irw
[15:38] <mishehu> superm1: nada, and I just try using irrecord -d /dev/lircd and it times out after 10 seconds
[15:39] <superm1> mishehu, okay then do this: sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop; sudo rmmod lirc-mceusb2; sudo rmmod lirc-dev
[15:39] <superm1> and unplug the device
[15:39] <superm1> plug it back in, and see if lirc-mceusb2 is getting loaded automatically
[15:39] <mishehu> hmm good point
[15:39] <mishehu> sec
[15:39] <superm1> udev is supposed to load it and start lircd, but if it doesn't, that means this thing isn't recognized by lirc-mceusb2
[15:42] <mishehu> it's not loading
[15:43] <superm1> then this device doesn't use lirc-mceusb2, which explains why you can't capture from it
[15:43] <superm1> are you *sure* it's supposed to?
[15:43] <superm1> you can try to just add it's IDs into the lirc-mceusb2 driver to force it...
[15:43] <mishehu> everything that I find in searches says that this is supported by lirc-mceusb2
[15:44] <mishehu> and that hte ids were already being added back around the end of 2007
[15:44] <superm1> okay, install lirc-modules-source
[15:44] <superm1> and go into /usr/src/lirc-* and find the source to double check
[15:45] <mishehu> I see we have 0.8.4a on 9.04 currently
[15:46] <mishehu> 0.8.6 is out for a few weeks now
[15:46] <superm1> yeah working on getting 0.8.6 into 9.10 is on TODO, but is going to require a sit down
[15:47] <mishehu> I don't doubt it
[15:47] <mishehu> lirc is one of those programs that can be a total b1tch to get working
[15:47] <CyberKnet> fwiw, I really like Mythbuntu. I was willing to replace my PVR-500 I liked mythbuntu so much better than Fedora :)
[15:48] <CyberKnet> So simple to install and set up for a combined frontend/backend
[15:48] <mishehu> mythbuntu is very nice for setting up mythtv.  I've done mythtv from source...   oyyy the agony
[15:49] <mishehu> got to install vim, it's driving me in insane to keep typing in vim and having to set it to vi
[15:50] <mishehu> #define VENDOR_PINNACLE      0x2304
[15:50] <mishehu> line 135 of lirc_mceusb2.c
[15:51] <mishehu> then the minor number is listed on line 194
[15:52] <mishehu> as a part of the usb_remote_table array.
[15:52] <superm1> hm awesome
[15:52] <superm1> so it *should* be working :)
[15:52] <mishehu> yes, it *should* be.
[15:53] <mishehu> now if I manually modprobe the module, I do see this:
[15:53] <haffe> Hello guys. Have any of you tried running mythbuntu on an nvidia ion platform?
[15:53] <mishehu> [38582.781107] lirc_mceusb2[2]: Pinnacle Systems PCTV Remote USB on usb3:2
[15:53] <mishehu> haffe: I will be in the near future.
[15:53] <mishehu> I dont' see why it would be an issue to do.
[15:54] <haffe> mishehu: I have really bad experiences from nvidia and hiberation/suspend.
[15:54] <mishehu> I *think* that wagnerp in #mythtv-users uses some distro with mythtv on an ion
[15:54] <mishehu> haffe: I wouldn't be hibernating or suspending my myth box, personally
[15:54] <haffe> Ok.
[15:55] <mishehu> and with it being an atom proc, it will not be using much electricity when not doing anything.
[15:56] <mishehu> superm1:  * Loading LIRC modules                                                  [ OK ] * Starting remote control daemon(s) : LIRC                              [fail]
[15:56] <superm1> haffe, i'd be running 9.10 if you do
[15:57] <superm1> to get 0.22 and the newer nvidia drivers and stuff OOTB
[15:58] <haffe> Ok.
[16:00] <mishehu> superm1: you know I did something dumb.  I forgot to stop mythtv-backend
[16:00] <mishehu> I stopped it, unloaded the lirc drivers, and then unplugged the receiver, counted to 10, and plugged it back in...  it loaded the modules and started lirc.
[16:01] <superm1> well thats good i guess
[16:01] <superm1> surprised mythtv-backend had to be stopped in the first place
[16:01] <mishehu> it holds the dev file open
[16:01] <superm1> the *backend*?
[16:01] <superm1> wow
[16:02] <mishehu> it must have
[16:02] <mishehu> I know it will when you have a transmitter
[16:02] <mishehu> mine's only set as a receiver though
[16:02] <mishehu> (this box is a primary fe/be)
[16:15] <mishehu> but still no luck with irw or irrecord :-/
[16:32] <CyberKnet> :|
[16:57] <CyberKnet> I wonder if there was a module parameter or something that is missing
[18:09] <CyberKnet> hmm... setting a directory as the DirectoryIndex ...
[18:09] <CyberKnet> for MythWeb, that is
[18:09] <CyberKnet> regardless of the port the request comes in on, it appears to always redirect to the default port
[18:09] <CyberKnet> so for instance, I have the virtual host listening on 80 and 85
[18:09] <CyberKnet> request comes in to http://server:85/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> and gets redirected to http://server/mythweb/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> any way to control this so that it goes to the port the original request came in on?
[18:10] <tgm4883> what happens if you do http://server:85/mythweb/
[18:10] <CyberKnet> works as expected
[18:10] <tgm4883> superm1, bug? ^
[18:11] <CyberKnet> I think it's an apache thing, but wasn't sure.
[18:11] <CyberKnet> I'm sure I could code some quick redirect.pl to take care of it and make that the directory index ... but thought you folks might know of a way that doesn't require coding
[18:33] <CyberKnet> fwiw, I ended up using RedirectMatch ^/$ /mythweb/
[18:33] <CyberKnet> I think this is a better solution than DirectoryIndex mythweb ... ymmv
[18:47] <Penth> Mythbuntu box is "running" and giving nice TV Out, but HDHR isn't speaking to the system (even though it will to the Winders box). And the work goes on....
[19:00] <CyberKnet> Penth: aaah :( Sad to hear. Hope your luck gets better.
[19:03] <Penth> I'm rescanning channels from the command line now, after power cycling the hdhr, and it looks like luck is on the way. I'll know for sure after I try the "watch tv" button. (Wonder if the fact Verizon was out for 24 hours while I was setting up the box is part of the problem.)
[19:04] <CyberKnet> couldn't say, not a HDHR user. Just empathize with myth not working :)
[19:04] <CyberKnet> waiting to get home so I can see if VBI is enabled or disabled on my PVR-500
[19:05] <CyberKnet> hopefully it is, and I can disable it and have a usable tuner card again.
[19:05] <darthanubis> I'm still waiting for mythtv to come out the box with a removal of commerical script
[19:05] <darthanubis> transcode>gencutlist>transcode
[19:05] <darthanubis> seamless with mythexport
[19:05] <darthanubis> and or nuvexport
[19:06] <CyberKnet> doesn't mythcommflag insert cutpoints for commercials?
[19:06] <mrand> darthanubis: I think all the tools are there for you to set that up yourself, but the consensus last time I saw a discussion on it was that people are willing to risk missing part of their show from a bad (even rare) commflag
[19:06] <mrand> people are NOT wiling to risk
[19:06] <CyberKnet> mrand: That's the bucket I'm in, yeah
[19:07] <CyberKnet> I'm not willing to save 30% space at the risk of losing the occasional chunk of show.
[19:07] <darthanubis> I have never had my show a regualr show clipped
[19:07] <darthanubis> now a professional game that may go over the alloted time yes
[19:07] <mrand> I had one this week.  Heroes
[19:07] <CyberKnet> darthanubis: I get 2-3 a week out of about 30-40 recordings.
[19:07] <darthanubis> I have the mythtv setup to transcode and gencutlist, but I have to manually transcode after that
[19:07] <CyberKnet> hit skip, and it jumps forward 10 minutes.
[19:08] <darthanubis> for the longest my desktop was my mythtv box. I just built a standalone mythtv box with 9.10
[19:08] <darthanubis> so far she is humming alone perfectly with alphaware
[19:09] <Penth> sweet, darth. Just built my first yesterday, but with jaunty
[19:09] <darthanubis> along
[19:09] <mrand> beta is being pushed to the mirrors as we speak.  Of course, with tonights nightly build, it will be outdated before it is even really used by anyone :-)
[19:09] <mrand> Penth: 0.22?
[19:09] <darthanubis> I had a spare core2duo laying around
[19:10] <Penth> not after the apt-get upgrade is complete, I hope :)
[19:10] <darthanubis> put 2gigs of cheap ddr2 ram and bought a cheap price not quality Asus mobo and a $25 case
[19:10]  * Penth had no net all day yesterday. Fscking Verizon...
[19:10] <darthanubis> just have to buy another dvd burner @$25
[19:11] <rhpot1991> Penth: how do you have the HDHR hooked up?
[19:11] <mrand> Penth: ah.  So you're just running standard 0.21 Jaunty.  That's cool.
[19:11] <Penth> I recycled an old P4 desktop with the dvd-writer taken from a Mac G5 and threw in a GeForce 8800 with s-video out
[19:11] <Penth> HDHR is direct into the cable modem
[19:12] <Penth> er, dsl modem :P
[19:12] <darthanubis> mine is just a backend. My frontends stream from it via wifi
[19:12] <darthanubis> and who said analog cable was dead? My pvr150 is still kicking!:)
[19:13] <Penth> I have a 3yo Athlon 64 that I'm turning into my new linux desktop (Bye, old A2600+) and will also use as a backend/transcode server for the P4 f/b
[19:14]  * Penth loves Electronics Recycling Day. Next one in Chestnut Hill on Nov 15th iirc
[19:15] <rhpot1991> Penth: dsl modem has a built in router?
[19:16] <Penth> Yep, a 4-port. (Westell 7500)
[19:17] <darthanubis> rhpot1991, long time no see
[19:20] <oobe> i wanna try out the new mythbuntu 9.10 theme but when i do bzr get lp:ubuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu it asks me to login?
[19:21] <rhpot1991> ya darthanubis
[19:21] <rhpot1991> hows everything going?
[19:21] <darthanubis> good
[19:21] <darthanubis> I just setup a 9.10 mythtv box
[19:22] <darthanubis> I still have yet to try a mythbuntu cd. Guess old habits die hard
[19:22] <gbutters_work> oobe, bzr branch
[19:22] <darthanubis> i want to treat it as an appliance and have it login to the default desktop so that it can long into the wifi
[19:23] <darthanubis> I'm still playing with it
[19:23] <darthanubis> I'll add your mythexport lil later
[19:24] <darthanubis> get it to export shows for my GF's Zen
[19:24] <oobe> gbutters, how do i do that bzr branch instead of get?
[19:24] <darthanubis> Just nice to finally have a seperate machine dedicated to myhttv
[19:24] <oobe>  bzr branch lp:ubuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu wont work either
[19:26] <oobe> bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[19:27] <Penth> Once 9.10 is stable, I'm going to set up mire and some torrent-watching scripts to download all my Japanese TV shows. Then I won't have to watch ANY television on my computer anymore.
[19:27] <Penth> s/mire/miro/
[19:34] <gbutters_work> oobe, bzr branch lp:~gbutters/mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu To get the lastest version
[19:35] <oobe> thanks gary
[19:36] <oobe> im looking forward to it i saw some screen shots the other day
[20:24] <oobe> is there a fast way to install all required devel packages to build trunk
[20:24] <tgm4883> oobe, build-deps?
[20:24] <oobe> sudo apt-get build-deps mythtv?
[20:25] <tgm4883> build-dep
[20:25] <tgm4883> so apt-get build-dep mythtv should work
[20:29] <mishehu> hmm mythbuntu doesn't ship with samba's mount.cifs util?
[20:32] <oobe> i tried that seems i already have everything up to date
[20:32] <oobe> i can build mythtv fine but mythplugins i get errors
[20:56] <mishehu> think I might have a typo in my mythfrontend settings...  MythSocket(7f1fe0006450:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.
[20:57] <mishehu> but I can't seem to find in the fe's setup where to change the backend IP config
[20:59] <mishehu> where is that located?
[21:55] <Mysterious1> Hello
[21:56] <Mysterious1> I deciced to install mythbuntu on my computer but before I do something wrong I want to ask you a few things^^
[21:57] <darthanubis> !ask
[21:57] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:58] <Mysterious1> lol^^ you are funny
[21:58] <Mysterious1> !ask
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[21:58] <Mysterious1> !ask
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[21:58] <Mysterious1> Are you a bot?
[22:00] <rhpot1991> zinn is a bot
[22:00] <Mysterious1> Poor Zinn
[22:01] <Mysterious1> My english is to bad to understand zinn so i'll just ask^^
[22:04] <Mysterious1> I heared that the alternate setup will give me more options. If i choose the direct desktop iso would I still be available to install mythtv to a specific partition?
[22:06] <hads> There is no alternate iso anymore is there?
[22:07] <Mysterious1> oh ok I already wondered where it was but i am really new to mythbuntu
[22:07] <mrand> There is no alt mythbuntu specific iso.  If you need the alt-iso, you can use the standard one from ubuntu.
[22:09] <mrand> However, I believe the base mythbuntu ISO supports at least some level of partitioning, although I have to be honest I don't remember what.
[22:09] <Mysterious1> i hope it won't wipe out my whole hdd like lmce would do^^
[22:10] <mrand> It gives you that option, but you don't have to choose it.
[22:11] <Mysterious1> ok so i might be available to do like i want to^^
[22:11]  * Mysterious1 :D
[22:12] <hads> Oh yeah, to be clear, mythbuntu is ubuntu so you can if you wish install ubuntu and get to the same place.
[22:13] <Mysterious1> then i just have to install mythtv in ubuntu?
[22:13] <Mysterious1> to get the same result?
[22:14] <hads> Yeah, you would install mythbuntu-desktop or mythbuntu-control-centre and go from there.
[22:15] <mrand> For the most part.  mythbuntu iso is really focused on only what is needed for the media stuff...    ubuntu includes more stuff by default.  But you can get to the same place by adding packages to either one.
[22:15] <Mysterious1> ah ok
[22:16] <hads> Or start with the server iso or something.
[22:16] <Mysterious1> so it's better to install ubuntu when i want to do other things like... hacking other wifi devices?^^
[22:16] <hads> You have the same packages available with either.
[22:18] <Mysterious1> and there will be no disadvantage if i istalled ubuntu and the packs?
[22:19] <mrand> The package system takes care of you :^)
[22:19] <Mysterious1> ^^ i never got along with that system^^
[22:20] <Mysterious1> i was always scared that these packages might leave crapy files on the system like everything in windows :/
[22:21] <mrand> The only thing I find annoying about the upgrades on ubuntu is that it doesn't delete old kernels.  You can run out of disk space on your /boot partition if you keep running the same system for a real long time and you do every kernel and distro upgrade.
[22:22] <mrand> But it isn't hard to recover from either.
[22:22] <Mysterious1> oh ok
[22:23] <Mysterious1> so i need complete reinstallations from time to time?
[22:23] <mrand> no, not at all.
[22:23] <mrand> My first install was 7.10.    9.10 beta is coming out today/tomorrow.
[22:24] <mrand> Just upgrade through each one, if you want.
[22:24] <mrand> Or you can stop on a stable one and live there for as long as you want.
[22:24] <Mysterious1> ok
[22:24] <hads> Not quite as long as you want.
[22:25] <mrand> If you don't change hardware, sure you can!
[22:25] <hads> It gets a little painful if support runs out though
[22:25] <mrand> I suppose.  Of course, you could park on a LTS (like 10.04) and live for longer than most hardware lasts.
[22:25] <hads> Yeah
[22:26] <mrand> But even still, some things don't get backported officially - like Firefox.
[22:26] <mrand> but often there are unofficial PPA's
[23:10] <superm1> tgm4883, probably,  need to check a fresh install from 9.10
[23:11] <tgm4883> superm1, wha?
[23:24] <purefusion> what should I use as the grub kernel line for mythbuntu installer on a usb drive?