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golem_i've installed xubuntu-desktop and i'm having a devil of a time figuring out how to remote desktop00:55
golem_i've got a monitor attached00:55
golem_vnc4server griefing me00:56
LisaRIs there a way to run a mail server using a user id rahter then root?01:00
LisaROn Fedora, ran ok, but ubuntu, I get a bind error using the user id.01:01
LisaRrunning in root, it's ok, but now all logs and such come up root01:01
JaggedPerhaps run in in a chroot jail?01:02
LisaRok, let me check, I've been using fedora for years, ubuntu for a few weeks, so I'm not too famil with the ubuntu ways.01:03
JaggedI'm not saying its the "ubuntu way", its just a way to isolate the server since you were concerned about running it as root.01:16
LisaRI realize, just many things I haven't used before such as sudo, update-rc.d vs chkconfig, so on.01:20
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golem_nevermind, i figured out vnc. not even on topic here01:32
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brohismSo I made some changes to my server's network interfaces today, and now services aren't accessible outside the local network despite my having returned settings to their original state when things were working02:31
brohismMy server is behind a router, with port forwarding02:31
brohismping is very unresponsive, and seems to hang even when I try to terminate it with ctrl+c02:32
giovani`02:45
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kworkmount.nfs: mount system call failed08:41
kworkany ideas how to debug it ?08:41
S0ckPantshi all09:47
S0ckPantsi'm trying to configure an nfs server09:47
S0ckPantsso far i've edited /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow, but i still can't seem to connect09:47
S0ckPantshere's those two files, and at the bottom what happens when i try to connect (from my mac): http://sockpants.pastebay.org/5812809:49
S0ckPants(btw i saw a typo in the ip address, but i fixed that and it had no effect)09:51
ghostlinesI have a vm running on kvm, i can only access it by typing in it's IP for some reason I can't access it by it's hostname10:33
ghostlinesanyone have any idea's why this is?10:33
_rubenhostnames depend on some form of dns being operational10:37
SockPantshi all10:55
SockPantsi'm trying to get permissions right while configuring my server this time10:55
SockPantsi've managed to set up nfs so i can access it from my laptop (and only my laptop)10:55
SockPantsnow i want to be able to edit /etc/apache2/httpd.conf from there10:55
SockPantsi can open it, but my editor says i cannot unlock the file whenever i try to type in it, unless i chmod it 666 on the server. how can i set the permissions so that not -everyone- can write it, but i still can edit it from my laptop10:56
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arahello ubuntu-server people!!11:33
aranew server ISOs in need of love have been just published11:33
ara i386: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/313711:33
ara amd64: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/313611:33
ara please, help us testing the ISOs11:33
VK7HSEara: downloading now! ;)11:35
araVK7HSE, nice :)11:35
ttxmdz, kirkland: problem in 20090930.1 with -0ubuntu13, bug 43928811:58
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439288 in eucalyptus "1.6~bzr854-0ubuntu13 fails to run instances" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43928811:59
ttxCan't seem to workaround it11:59
ttxI'll test 20090930 (with -0ubuntu12) and document workaround11:59
ttxara: we might go back to 20090930 for the server ISO.12:00
* ttx lunches and will test that option in a few12:00
kirklandttx: but registration worke?12:22
kirklandttx: worked?12:22
ttxkirkland: it appears to work in the logs12:23
ttxkirkland: but apparently that's not sufficient :/12:23
ttxkirkland: 1/ you need to restart eucalyptus to make it aware of that registration12:24
ttxkirkland: 2/ for some reason the node believes walrus is running locally to the nc12:25
ttxkirkland: I tries reregistering and all kind of things with no success12:25
ttxkirkland: at that point I'll test 20090930 + manual registration and if that works, make 20090930 the beta candidate12:26
ttxat least I think I know how to make that one work12:26
ttxthe issue being a full UEC test cycle takes a couple hours12:26
kirklandttx: arg, okay12:28
kirklandttx: i swear, i spent 16 hours on this yesterday12:28
kirklandttx: i'm going for run, back in an hour12:28
ttxkirkland: we should do a LP group for moral support12:29
ttx~eucalyptus-victims12:29
VK7HSEshould i stop the current iso's then ???12:31
ttxVK7HSE: yes :(12:32
VK7HSEttx ok!12:32
VK7HSEsilly me deleted previous ones! so I was having to start afresh (DOH)12:33
ttxyou can rsync back to it :)12:33
VK7HSEtrue, so the iso I was getting was both i386/amd64 for 20090930.1   will there be another build in the next day or so?12:34
* VK7HSE I assume yes!12:34
ttxVK7HSE: my idea is to go back to 2009093012:35
ttxif I can make it work12:35
VK7HSEo I don't have that iso! on this system due to fresh karmic desktop install (my fail!)12:35
ttxVK7HSE: if you have 20090930.1, you can rsync 20090930 on it12:36
ttxrsync -tzhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-server/daily/20090930/karmic-server-amd64.iso .12:37
ttxin the directory where you have karmic-server-amd64.iso from 20090930.1.12:37
VK7HSEok!... tnx12:37
ttxVK7HSE: note that the test tracker is still pointing to 20090930.1, so if you test, just keep the results for yourself now, and enter them later12:38
ttx(if we indeed go back to 20090930)12:38
VK7HSEyep understood!12:38
VK7HSEFTW the 2 servers I run here are doing well on Alpha6 (updates) ;)12:39
zulmorning12:39
ttxzul: morn12:39
alexmttx: i was trying this server iso and found a problem booting jeos on kvm after install12:59
alexmshould i report it as a bug or it's better for me to wait iso rollback to previous one?13:00
alexmara: ^^13:00
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ttxalexm: If you wait 20 more minutes i'll be able to say which on e is the beta candidate :)13:00
zulwhich iso should i be testing?13:00
ttxzul: test the EC2 images13:00
ttxthose won't move :)13:01
zulk13:01
alexmttx: okay, but i'm leaving right now, i'll catch up with you later13:01
ttxalexm:  ok13:01
alexmthanks13:01
ttxlooks like this one is working...13:08
ttxhmm. no13:11
ttxaw, come on...13:12
unimatrixhow do i limit bandwidth speed to every client except some exceptions?13:17
ttxbah13:24
ttxok, we are back at testing 2009093013:35
ttxI can get that one to run instances, minor some k,nown caveats13:37
unimatrixwhere can i get some help with /sbin/tc ?13:40
zulttx: yay!13:40
ttxhmmm, yay.13:41
mdzttx, kirkland, I guess we're at a point where we should be looking for workarounds to document rather than solutions, as we need to move ahead with testing13:46
ttxmdz: yes, see my very recent email13:46
mdzif we have to add one or two additional manual steps, that's what we'll have to do13:46
error404notfoundi keep getting [alert] (40)Too many levels of symbolic links: Can't chdir to /var/www and then apache terminates when i followed http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooting-apache2-mod-chroot-debian-etch to implemented chrootdir13:46
mdzttx, I'm still at the QBR and not able ot keep up with mail or IRC, so just checking in13:47
ttxmdz: we are reverting the candidate to 2009093013:47
ttxwhich works with manual registration13:47
ttxor rather "can work"13:47
mdzttx, do you know what broke in 20090930.1?13:47
ttxmdz: Not exactly, see bug 43928813:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439288 in eucalyptus "1.6~bzr854-0ubuntu13 fails to run instances" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43928813:48
ttxeverything registers correctly (as far as the logs tell)13:48
ttxbut then the NC seems blocked on downloading stuff from 127.0.0.113:48
ttxmdz: eucalyptus is very very sensitive, touch it there, it will break somewhere else. And its difficult to reveal flaws without a complete install + instance run13:49
ttxmdz: so yes, let's work from a known half-broken-with-workarounds state13:51
smoserttx, so 20090929 had issues ?13:52
ttxmdz: to debug the registration, we need multiple people doing full cluster+node+instancerun tests13:52
ttxsmoser: I had a kernel boot issue, trying UEC beta candidate + local kernel, local ramdisk13:53
ttxI have yet to try UEC beta candidate + kernel/ramdisk you provide13:53
smoserhm... well there absolutely shouldn't be any difference in the kernels13:54
smoserthe initramdisk i guess its possible, but i wouldn't have thought so13:54
smoserso was there something wrong with the 20090929 ? or did you just pick 0930 because its newer ?13:54
smoserjust wondering because i think it'd be nicer if ec2/uec were the same, but not terribly a big deal.13:55
ttxno, 20090929 is the candidate on the UEC side13:55
ttx20090930 is the candidate on the servre ISO side13:55
smoseroh. i see. so ara referred to iso13:55
smosersorry for confusion13:56
ttxsmoser: apparently it can't find the ramdisk in my test13:56
error404notfoundanyone?13:56
smosercan't find ramdisk or cant find rootfs13:57
aracjwatson, migration didn't turn out that well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/43930613:57
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439306 in ubiquity "Migration assistant didn't migrate Firefox bookmarks" [Undecided,New]13:57
aracjwatson, sorry wrong channel13:57
cjwatsonara: ->evand anyway :)13:57
* cjwatson doesn't really do m-a13:57
ttxeveryone, we are testing the 20090930 server ISO, which doesn't appear on the test tracker yet13:58
smosererror404notfound, i have to guess that your /var/www is a symlink that causes recursive symlink. at least somewhere down there it is.13:59
ttxsmoser: is there a way to tell which eri an emi is using ?13:59
smoser$ mkdir /tmp/aa && ln -s ../aa /tmp/aa && find /tmp/aa -L13:59
smoserdescribe-images should output it13:59
ttxah14:00
smoserand then you can download it also . download-bundle14:00
ttxsmoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282153/14:00
ttxsmoser: doesn't show the link between emi and eri/eki14:01
error404notfoundsmoser, according to that tutorial provided in my last message, my directory tree is: http://pastebin.com/m7b5aef8d14:01
smoserttx, when you bundle'd the image, you have to specify the kernel, or you dont get one14:05
smoserttx, hold on, checking somthing14:05
ttxsmoser: I /did/that14:05
ttxI think.14:05
smoserttx: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282159/14:06
smoserbug in euca2ools14:06
uvirtbotNew bug: #438395 in libvirt (main) "virsh crashed with SIGSEGV in virDomainCreate()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43839514:06
ttxsmoser: well, maybe not, maybe I failed when I registered them14:07
smoserttx, its a bad paste (first ec2 line is 2 lines)14:07
smoserhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282160/14:09
smoserttx, no.14:09
ttxsmoser: file it while its not moving too much14:09
smoserthe snippet in my output is from euca2ools looking at ec214:09
smoserso i know the issue is with euca2ools.14:10
ttxah14:12
ttxI ran --ramdisk $EKI apparently14:12
ttxhmm, I did not14:13
ttxI guess $ERI was wrong then14:14
smoserttx. no. they dont show it. its a bug in euca2ools14:15
jdstrandttx: I noticed in #ubuntu-meeting that 20090930.1 should maybe be invalidated on server. does that mean I should test 20090930?14:15
smoserhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/282167/ demonstrates that more.14:15
ttxjdstrand: yes. Its been removed from the tracker14:15
smoseri can open a bug if you'd like14:15
ttxjdstrand: and now current points to 2009093014:15
jdstrandttx: ok, thanks14:16
ttxjdstrand: pitti is struggling to put 20090930 on the tracker14:16
jdstrandhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/3126 seems to still be around14:16
jdstrandthough, I haven't tried to grab the iso yet14:16
jdstrandthe iso is there...14:17
ttxsmoser: cannot hurt14:17
smoserttx, maybe there is some other way you can list it in euca14:17
jdstrandttx: and btw, you can disregard my euco/dhcpd3/apparmor question from yesterday. apparently I fixed it already ;)14:17
ttxjdstrand: cool, one less issue to think about :)14:18
smoserone way is (hopefully) to use ec2tools and point them at your uec14:18
ttxjdstrand: yes, but it doesn't show up in the test list ?14:18
jdstrandttx: I'm just looking at the email I got and things seem ok there14:19
jdstrand(so far)14:20
zulso 20090929?14:20
ttxserver ISO = 2009093014:20
jdstrandI thought we said 2009093014:20
zulk14:20
ttxUEC/EC2 = 2009092914:21
* zul go test the server iso14:21
jdstrandthis is somewhat confusing, but I know what I am supposed to do... :P14:21
zulriiight ;)14:21
jdstrandttx: I see what you mean now-- the http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntuserver reports don't list 2009093014:23
smoserbug 43936614:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439366 in ubuntu "euca-describe-images does not show kernel and ramdisk for an image" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43936614:26
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ttxsmoser: get-console-output booting UEC image candidate with kernel/ramdisk from uec-images.ubuntu.com14:36
ttxhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282176/14:36
* ttx checks that it works with the ones taken directly from the cluster node14:38
smoserttx, could you point me at an initrd that works for you?14:38
ttxsmoser: I'm testing that right now14:39
ttxrebundling...14:39
ttxsmoser: could you run the "EC2 rebundle test" for the UEC images ?14:39
smoseron uec? or can i run it on ec214:39
ttxsmoser: see "Image run on EC2" at the bottom of http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/System/CloudImages14:40
ttxThat's the "Install (EC2 Single Instance)" test for UEC images14:40
smoseryeah, no problem14:41
smoseri can do that.14:41
ttxzul: could you test the europe AMIs ?14:42
zulam i missing 20090930 server iso doesnt seem to be on the tracker14:42
zulttx: already tested14:42
ttxyou know Quebec is almost part of the UE14:42
ttxah cool14:42
zulttx: wha quebec?14:42
ttxzul: :-)14:43
zulttx: i know euca might be frying your brain but are you on crack? ;)14:43
gamla_kossanhow come the new release of ubuntu will ditch pidgin in favor of empathy?14:47
gamla_kossananyone have a clue?14:47
Picigamla_kossan: This channel is more for server issues.  #ubuntu+1 might be a better place to discuss that.14:47
gamla_kossanright14:48
gamla_kossanjust htought anyone in here might have a clue14:48
gamla_kossan=)14:48
VK7HSEis anyone having any issue with "Abort pclzip.lib.php : Missing zlib extensions"  zlib1g is installed but not working any ideas ????14:51
VK7HSE!info zlib1g14:52
ubottuzlib1g (source: zlib): compression library - runtime. In component main, is required. Version 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12ubuntu2 (jaunty), package size 73 kB, installed size 168 kB14:52
zulVK7HSE: please open a bug report with a sample code so it can be reproduced please14:52
VK7HSEok, its affecting my WordPress currently :(  (WP is installed from source!)14:53
ttxok everyone, we have a 20090930.2 (which is the same as 20090930) on the tracker now.14:55
ttxany test you ran on 20090930 can be reported here. Just doublecheck you have the right md5sum14:55
ttxamd64: fe689dd00226614e6da55d69928b195114:55
ttxi386: bde35e2c4ff8d238c6562eb7fb55735e14:56
VK7HSEare there any predefined tests for zlib1g ?15:01
twbVK7HSE: testing it for what?15:03
VK7HSEI just want to get some verbose output for zlib is all ... I'm having an issue where WordPress (installed from source) is claiming that zlib extentions aren't installed/enabled15:05
twbProbably you need to install a PHP-zlib bridge.15:05
twbNot that I would recommend using either WordPress or PHP...15:06
error404notfoundi read that to secure my web deployments, every web application should run under its own vm and tools, how can i do this? do i need xen-vms? chroot+debootstrap based ubuntu installs?15:06
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twberror404notfound: the recommended virtualization technology for Ubuntu is KVM.15:07
VK7HSEtwb ok well I'll do my best to get something that hopefully will be usable!15:07
error404notfoundtwb, yes, but is that the solution for running multiple web application, each in its own sandbox?15:08
ttx\o/ instance run !15:08
twberror404notfound: virtualization is a means for running ARBITRARY software in separate sandboxes.  I do not see why web applications would be any different.15:08
twberror404notfound: however, I caution you not to believe everything you read.15:09
error404notfoundtwb, hmm, and why not? :P15:09
twberror404notfound: because people can lie15:09
error404notfoundtwb, whats your opinion over this?15:09
twbI would prefer to secure web apps by not running them in the first place.15:10
error404notfoundtwb, thats a great idea. :D15:10
twbBut if you simply have to have your crappy NIH'd NeWS infrastructure, running each app in a separate VM is probably a good rule of thumb.15:10
VK7HSEtwb: Hmm... I fail to see your logic! if all is insecure? why bother? or enlighten me to your reasoning... ;)15:11
twbVK7HSE: "security" is not a binary property.15:12
twbFor example, your server is more secure (against some attacks) if it is surrounded by armed guards, than if it is not.15:12
VK7HSEright! :-/  anyway you have your reasons I respect that! ;)15:13
ttxsmoser: so I have a ramdisk that works15:13
twbIf you don't run a service, that service can't be attacked.15:13
ttxsmoser: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic from the server install itself15:13
VK7HSEtwb: but there has to be a compromise between Fort Knox to say the play park!  anyway I now see what you meant! ;)15:14
smosercan you just put that somewhere ?15:15
smosertheres no reason to mismatch15:15
ttxsmoser: uploading15:16
smoserjust being careful because i didn't do anything (*anything*) special to create the initrd. i just pulled it from the image where it was created by insall of -virtual (hm.... maybe thats it)15:16
smoseryou probably used -server15:16
twbA VM's ramdisk won't necessarily be appropriate for general-purpose use.15:17
jdstrandttx: 20090930.2 just floated in. is this what I should be using now?15:17
ttxits the same as 2009093015:17
twb(Dunno if I'm following the conversation aright.)15:17
ttxjust a hack since the tracker wouldn't allow going back15:17
jdstrandttx: ok cool15:17
ttxsmoser: uploading15:19
smosertwb, well, its almost the other way around.15:21
smoserwhen doing vmbuilder builds of the ubuntu uec images, i installed the -virtual package and collect its generated initramdisk15:21
smoserwhen ttx uses that ramdisk, he fails to boot in kvm.15:22
smoserwhen he uses his from /boot on his server system, it works.15:22
ttxsmoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ttx/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic15:29
smoserthanks. i'll look at differences.15:32
smoserttx, stupid question, but that is i386 right15:35
ttxno, amd6415:36
ttxsmoser: ^15:36
smoserk15:37
ttxkirkland: please also see bug 439251, if you want to dig into autoregistration further15:45
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439251 in eucalyptus "Eucalyptus restart is needed after autoregistration of components" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43925115:45
VK7HSEBug #43940715:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439407 in zlib "Abort class-pclzip.php : Missing zlib extensions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43940715:49
ttxsmoser: filed bug 43941516:01
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439415 in vm-builder "Bundling UEC image with provided ramdisk results in an EMI that fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43941516:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #439410 in eucalyptus (main) "Instances from fresh EMIs sometimes fail to start" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43941016:01
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twbsmoser: well, KVM emulates an entire system, not just presenting a vserver/xen-style specialized environment to the kernel.16:07
twbsmoser: so maybe -virtual is not meant for kvm?  I don't know.16:07
smoser-virtual is intended for kvm. so its a bug we need to fix.16:08
kirklandttx: does a .1 iso exist anywhere?16:09
kirklandttx: i really want to start my testing based on 1316:09
ttxask on release if there is a way to retrieve it16:09
ttxI have one copy but uploading it with my 10k/s should take approximately 1 week16:10
kirklandttx: are you still trying to fix registration too?16:10
ttxkirkland: no. I'm trying to document known issues16:10
ttxkirkland: saw mdz's last email ?16:11
ttxkirkland: I'm trying to translate my experience into filed bugs and test reports16:11
ttx(on iso.qa.u.c)16:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #439415 in vm-builder (universe) "Bundling UEC image with provided ramdisk results in an EMI that fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43941516:11
ttxkirkland: there are still plenty of testing to do to make sure we identified all the known issues16:12
arattx, is it worth it to test .2?16:17
ttxyes, that should be the final16:17
arattx, ok, thanks16:18
smoserttx, finished the rebundle test.16:19
smoserttx, i'm going to work now on getting the ec2 image into its beta resting place (rather than canonical-testing).16:20
smoseryou are not aware of any thing that would stop our use of the current published amis, right?16:20
smoserthe bug you just opened is all i see, and wouldnt' think it blocks beta16:20
ttxAMIs are ok16:27
ttxsmoser: its the rtamdisk I'm concerned about16:27
ttxsmoser: if bug 439415 can't be fixed, I think we should pull them16:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439415 in vm-builder "Bundling UEC image with provided ramdisk results in an EMI that fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43941516:28
smoser:-(16:28
ttxsmoser: did you record the result of your rebundling test on the tracker ?16:29
smoseri think so16:29
ttxsmoser: doesn't appear16:29
ttxhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3135/35916:29
ttxhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3134/35816:29
ttxah, it's the wrong test you filed16:30
ttxlook at "Install (EC2 Single Instance)"16:30
smoseri'm consued16:32
smoserthat single test page that lists all the tests is the source of my confusion16:32
smoser(http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/System/CloudImages)16:32
smoserat that above url, i did: "Image run on EC2"16:32
smoserttx, bug 439415 certainly "can't be fixed" in without re-spinning images.  it is possible that it is only vmbuilder changes that could solve it, but even then you'd have to assume that the changes you made to the image so that the initramfs got fixed did not affect other things16:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439415 in vm-builder "Bundling UEC image with provided ramdisk results in an EMI that fails to boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43941516:34
ttxI'm fine with respinning the UEC candidates... if we are sure it fixes the issue16:35
arahey zul_, thanks for helping testing the ISO images!16:36
ttxkirkland: is my last email to -devel reasonable to you ?16:36
zul_ara: no problem16:36
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smoserttx, so you're saying in that case, you'd respin UEC candiates, but not ec216:36
smoserright?16:36
ttxhmmmm16:37
kirklandttx: looking16:37
ttxWe could respin EC2... the thing is I'm not comfortable with respinning now. Especially with the amount of testing left todo16:37
ttxand if you're away part of tomorrow...16:37
ttxthat sonds like a bad idea16:37
ttxI have yet to tset UEC on i38616:38
kirklandttx: your email is reasonable16:38
ttxwhich should take me the rest of today and tomorrow morning16:38
kirklandttx: i don't know that we can rely on mdz to see your note and make a decision in time, though16:38
ttxkirkland: ok, mdz might disagree though, so watch that space16:38
ttxI pinged him on IRC, fwiw16:38
kirklandttx: it's likely you'll just need to make the call16:38
ttxtomorrow morning, I will.16:39
kirklandttx: dan is going to dial into my system and we'll debug it16:39
ttx(if nobody else made it before me)16:39
kirklandttx: sounds like keybuk might help fix our upstart scripts too16:39
ttxkirkland: hopefully you'll reproduce it, otherwise you'll really hate me for the whole thing :)16:39
mathiazkirkland: ttx: good morning!16:40
ttxI so wanted it to work, I tried, I promise :)16:40
smoserttx, my away tomorrow shouldn't really affect things. i'll be back by noon eastern. we've not been releasing till ~ 5:00 pm eastern. if there everything is ok, 5 hours is plenty of time to get things together.16:40
ttxmathiaz: ready to test 20090930.2 ?16:40
mathiazttx: only at .2?16:40
ttxits badly needing your magic test coiverage16:40
ttxmathiaz: yes, I've been slacking, sorry16:40
mathiazttx: I was expecting at least .42!16:40
mathiazttx: my test magic won't cover eucalyptus though16:41
ttxmathiaz: I take care of that. amd64 done, i386 tomorrow16:41
ttxsmoser: you didn't check the right box on UEC image testing16:42
ttxsmoser: its the "UEC / Install EC2 Single Instance" that you should have checked16:42
ttx<ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3135/35916:42
ttx<ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3134/35816:42
mathiazttx: what has changed between 20090930 and 20090930.2?16:44
ttxnothing. It's the same ISO16:44
ttxsame md5sum16:44
ttxcopy16:44
mathiazttx: ah16:44
ttxyou can copy your test results16:44
mathiazttx: now that explains why rsync was so fast16:44
ttx:)16:45
mathiazttx: ok - amd64 is done then16:45
ttxkirkland: i'll go into more details in bug 439288, hopefully that will help16:45
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439288 in eucalyptus "1.6~bzr854-0ubuntu13 fails to run instances" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43928816:45
mathiazkirkland: bug 438602 - Fixed?16:47
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 438602 in eucalyptus "Autoregistration of eucalyptus-cc sometimes fails" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43860216:47
smoserttx, are you opposed to me changing the header in the wiki doc at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/System/CloudImages such that it corresponds to the name of the test ?16:47
smosers/corresponds to/is the same as/16:48
ttxno16:48
kirklandmathiaz: yes, i believe it's fixed, but it breaks something else16:49
kirklandmathiaz: in ttx's testing, he wasn't able to get instances to run16:49
marshallhow do i check the time on my server from the terminal?16:49
mathiazkirkland: so it wasn't a problem with upstart?16:49
kirklandmathiaz: however, in that patch, eucalyptus proclaims in the logs that all 3 components were successfully registered16:49
ttxmathiaz: there probably still is an issue in upstart16:49
kirklandmathiaz: well, there are likely upstart problems, too16:49
kirklandmathiaz: for one thing, i'm confused why all 3 registrations try to happen simultaneously16:50
mathiazkirkland: walrus and cc should be happening at the same time16:50
kirklandmathiaz: you can ps -ef | grep wget and see that all three are looking for the service running, at the same time16:50
mathiazkirkland: sc should follow cc though16:50
mathiazkirkland: right - I saw something similar when purging the packages16:51
mathiazkirkland: it takes 5 minutes to purge the eucalyptus* package16:51
kirklandmathiaz: hmm, really?  i haven't seen that...16:51
mathiazkirkland: eucalyptus-common purging blocks for a long time16:51
KeizerAll Ubuntu server editions have PAE?16:52
KeizerI thought PAE shows up when you type uname -a16:52
skritelo there all16:53
ttxkirkland: btw, to fully fix autoregistration you also need to fix bug 439251, which is tricky as well16:54
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439251 in eucalyptus "Eucalyptus restart is needed after autoregistration of components" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43925116:54
ttxone of the reasons I let it go16:54
ttxkirkland: added some comments to bug 43928816:55
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 439288 in eucalyptus "1.6~bzr854-0ubuntu13 fails to run instances" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43928816:55
kirklandttx: i just got my cloud running the .2 iso now16:55
ttxkirkland: instances running ?16:55
kirklandttx: haven't tried yet16:55
kirklandttx: i'm waiting for dan16:55
ttxah .216:55
ttxnot .116:55
kirklandttx: we're going to take it from here16:55
kirklandttx: i can't get ahold of a .1 iso16:56
KeizerMan I got an ubuntu server VM running with 16GB of RAM and four Xeon 2Ghz CPUs and vim kills it lol16:56
KeizerAnd the VM is hosted by VMWare which is crazy16:56
* zul lunches16:57
KeizerI'm thinking it's because the vm is i686 and I didn't see the PAE listed when I did uname -a16:57
ttxkirkland: the tricky part is, to fully validate the fix you need an ISO burned.16:57
KeizerEither that or that machine is on it's way out =(16:57
ttxsince what you test is the install from installer > reboot > start > autoregister path16:57
cocoa117how to install Chinese fonts into headless ubuntu-server? At the moment, cli only show <E9><95>rather then real character17:00
* ttx disappears...17:02
ttxI'll be back.17:02
skritehey all, i am needing some hardware advice. Our company has outgrown our web service and we need hardware. We run mysql backed apache and ruby rails. We have been looking at poweredge and blade servers but i need help.17:11
skriteour site is not like most, we have light read loads but heavy heavy write loads.17:11
giovaniskrite: ok, can you explain a bit about your write load?17:14
skritewe take in info from machines in the field, we process this into the data that tells the machines to do this or that, and we have a website where the info and processes are displayed.17:15
alexmttx: server iso rollback been performed?17:15
ttxalexm: 20090930.2 = 2009093017:16
skriteso the machines are writing history info all the time ( about 12 records inserted per second average)17:16
giovaniskrite: ok, so is the data that's being written heavily db-based? files? all at once? millions of individual transactions?17:16
giovanioh, 12 records per second is not very much17:16
alexmttx: thanks, i'm starting this morning test again17:16
skritegiovani, we are using MySQL for the records writing.  Another heavy load is that when a customer hits a page, it does calculations on thousands of rows adding this and that to create graphs, etc.. so the data writes are expensive and display of data is also a lot of work between ruby and the database17:18
skritethe reason i am asking here is that most tutorials and info i am finding are relating to websites where lots and lots of reads are done and the need is for fast html serving. That isn't really what we need.17:19
giovaniskrite: so, mysql is a pretty awful database compared to others in performance17:22
giovaniskrite: if you're looking for something FOSS -- then postgresql is the way to go17:22
giovaniit's tunable, and can perform far better than mysql17:23
skritedid NOT know that17:23
skriteOK, definatly look into that.17:23
giovanithat's not to say that MySQL won't meet your needs17:23
giovaniit sounds like your needs aren't actually very high -- despite what you think17:23
giovanidisk i/o limitations are static between software, obviously -- postgres is a bit smarter about storage, etc, but ultimately, if disk i/o is your limitation, then you need to work on addressing that first17:24
skritewhat we are using now is a poweredge from Dell, 4 dual core Xeon with 8 GB RAM ( i know, that isn't much )17:24
skriteok17:24
rtg_jjohansen, have you discontinued the AA kernel meetings?17:24
jjohansenrtg_: no17:25
rtg_did I just miss it today?17:25
giovaniskrite: none of the specs you listed relate to disk i/o17:25
jjohansenrtg_: hrmm, my calendar didn't throw up a notice this morning17:25
skritegiovani, we thought of clustering a few machines, but did not know if the trade off of just using a more powerfull ( newer ) server would be preferable.17:25
skriteok17:25
jjohansenrtg_: nope, it didn't happen17:25
giovaniskrite: you seem to be confused about what "power" it is that you need17:26
skritegiovani, exactly17:26
giovaniskrite: you've made no mention of current cpu usage17:26
Barreaccording to tldp.org a bash script should return a zero on successful completion, but there are some exeption. My question is, what are those exceptions? When is, let's say exit 3 in a script a "bug" or an exception?17:26
rtg_jjohansen,  is there any reason to continue it? seems like things have settled.17:26
Malekoin ubuntu we use authorized_keys or authorized_keys2 ?17:26
Malekodefault one17:26
giovaniwhy would you think you need to cluster machines together?  do you have data that shows that you're using your current cpu heavily?17:26
jjohansenrtg_: no, there really isn't17:26
Malekossh key i mean17:26
jjohansenrtg_: we just hadn't officially done that17:26
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rtg_jjohansen, ok, I'll notify Pete and mdz that it no longer seems necessary.17:27
jjohansenrtg_: okay, thanks17:27
jjohansensmoser: do you have any objections to dropping the daily EC2 kernel meeting?17:27
skritegiovani, our processors are (on and off) working pretty hard. We run some scripts from cron that do some calculations and error checking on the machines, and they can run pretty heavy.17:27
skriteby heavy, i mean that they peak out one or two cores for several seconds17:28
giovaniskrite: ok, do those cron jobs need to run quickly? i.e. would it be a problem if they were prioritized low, and then took more than a few seconds? if not -- I don't see any evidence that you have cpu utilization problems17:29
skritegiovani, a few of the processes need to run fast, but most can be drawn out.17:29
smoseri was going to suggest that today17:31
smoserjjohansen, to give you more time to get me a kexec kernel :)17:31
jjohansen:)17:31
zuli swear to god I can do these installs in a language other than english now17:32
skriteok, what situation would cause someone to set up like a rack or blade server system instead of using a more powerful server computer?17:33
skritegiovani, gotta admit, i kinda want to cluster some machines just because it would be cool to learn. But that is my own geeky trip17:34
kirklandmathiaz: what did you use to get verbose upstart debugging at boot in your syslog?17:41
kirklandmathiaz: my irc logs are failing me17:41
mathiazkirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/438602/comments/617:41
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 438602 in eucalyptus "Autoregistration of eucalyptus-cc sometimes fails" [High,Fix released]17:41
* sbeattie wonders why samba is reporting that smbd is reloading smbd.conf every 5 minutes to the console.17:41
kirklandmathiaz: thx17:42
geniisbeattie: Do you have logrotate for samba logs set for every 5 minutes?17:54
sbeattiegenii: nope; this is a stock karmic install from the beta server iso.17:55
zulsbeattie: hmmm?17:58
geniisbeattie: I'd probably file a bug then18:00
zulsbeattie: smbd is doing what?18:02
sbeattiezul: something is triggering smbd to reload its config file every 5 min.18:04
zulsbeattie: hmm...i suspecting its dhcp18:04
incorrecti am having a mental breakdown, i can't remember how to apt-get  install a package dependencies18:12
chmacincorrect: You're installing a package from disk?18:12
incorrectoh build-dep18:12
incorrectthere we go18:12
chmacI have fuse-utils installed. Any idea why `modprobe -l fuse` returns nothing?18:13
geniichmac: You mean: modprobe -l | grep fuse              ?18:13
chmacgenii: Both return nothing, is `modprobe -l fuse` not valid?18:14
chmacgenii: I think llutz on #ubuntu said it's part of the kernel so there's no longer a module18:15
zulsbeattie: can you do a ls -R /etc/network please?18:17
sbeattiezul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/282339/18:24
zulsbeattie: is this the server iso?18:26
sbeattiezul: it is18:27
zulsbeattie: this is odd18:28
sbeattiezul: it does seem to correlate nicely with dhcp client activity18:31
zulsbeattie: yeah but why is that happening,18:32
geniiPerhaps your lease time is screwy18:32
zulcan you try disabling apparmour?18:32
sbeattiezul: apparmor disabled, still seeing the messages.18:43
zulthats what I thought18:43
zulsbeattie: can you post the contents of your /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases as well?18:46
sbeattiezul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/282363/18:48
geniiInteresting, netboot18:49
zulsbeattie: option dhcp-lease-time 600;18:50
zulthis is what I have in mine option dhcp-lease-time 604800;18:50
sbeattieright, this is a test lab, the lease times are AFAIK intentionally tuned low, so that machines can come and go quickly.18:52
zulyeah so its dhcp doing that but im not sure where its restarting samba though18:53
geniiI think smbd hits the lease expiry, has some internal check for lost IP and restarts18:54
mathiazzul: I've seen something similar with sshd and mysqld as well. It seems that the networking subsystem sends a HUP signal when the dhcp lease is renewed18:55
zulyeah same here18:55
zulsbeattie: can you add the messages in syslog when it happens as well18:58
zulmathiaz: its a regression in my eyes18:58
mathiazzul: well - was jaunty doing the same ting?18:59
mathiazzul: *thing*18:59
zulmathiaz: i cant be sure18:59
zuli just see more dhcp/samba bugs about more now19:00
sbeattiemathiaz: give me a little bit and I can see if I can reproduce on jaunty.19:00
mathiazzul: well - a lot the bugs are related to remove filesystem share access via samba and NM19:01
mathiazzul: *remote*19:01
zultrue19:01
sbeattiemathiaz|zul: okay, I'm seeing it in my jaunty instance as well.19:04
mathiazsbeattie: hardy?19:05
zul/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/samba is the one doing it19:08
zulwhich is samba-common.dhcp19:09
sbeattiemathiaz: doesn't look to happen in hardy, but I also got a permission denied error reported from dhclient on trying to write the leases file.19:18
zulmathiaz, sbeattie: shouldnt it only reload if it gets a new IP address?19:27
mathiazzul: yes - that makes more sense19:28
zulguys i might have a fix19:34
zulsbeattie mathiaz: does this look reasonable to you? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282402/ the thinking behind it after the IP address becomes bound again check the old against the new and restart it if they are different20:04
mathiazzul: look good to me - did you test it?20:16
zulmathiaz: yep did a smbclient -L localhost before and after20:17
zulill add it to the 3.4.1 stuff im doing20:20
unknown__userhi, i was wondering if there is really a significant difference between server hard disks and normal hard disks, because the price difference is almost ten times...i'm asking this because i want to add normal disks to a server, in a RAID 1+0 config, so if a disk fails, no data is lost, and i can replace it ten times before the solution gets more expensive than using server disks.20:39
qman__unknown__user, There is a difference between consumer grade and professional grade disks. What is your application, and what disks were you considering?20:45
geniiunknown__user: Usually the difference is server drives are something like SCSI versus IDE or SAS vs SATA, also rated high times between failures20:45
unknown__userqman__:it's going to backup data, and i was considering the Seagate Barracuda 3.5" 1 TB, SATA2 3Gb/s20:49
unknown__userwith 32 MB cache20:50
qman__unknown__user, if it's a low to moderate I/O application, those should do just fine20:50
qman__normally you need better disks for things like database servers20:50
qman__I have a SOHO file server that, among other things, supports daily backups from a few machines20:51
qman__it uses 500GB SATA seagate drives, and I've been running it for over a year without issue20:52
unknown__userthis isn't the case, it should store data four times a day from another server, just files...20:52
qman__yeah, that should be fine20:52
qman__just make sure you implement good monitoring, so you notice if a disk starts to fail right away20:53
unknown__userthat's what i was looking for, thanks a lot qman__, really appreciate your help20:53
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ttxsmoser: ping21:29
smoserhere21:29
ttxsmoser: any news on the ramdisk issue ?21:30
smoseri've not made any progress there.21:30
ttxfair enough.21:30
ttxsmoser: how feasible is it to pull the ramdisk/kernels from the published items ?21:31
smoserwe can definitely just 'rm a b c'21:31
smoserand i support that as the most reasonable solution at this point21:31
smoserthe fact that they dont work, is testament to their necessity21:32
smoserinterestingly enough :)21:32
smoserif my somewhat knowledgeable "this should work" guess at providing an initramdisk failed, it means that using whatever happens to be in /boot on a system is destined for failure21:33
smoseror at least indeterminate results21:33
ttxsmoser: ok, do it then21:34
smoserso at this point it looks like we're good with what we have other than that ?21:34
smoserfor server images ?21:34
ttxsmoser: things might get released before you join us tomorrow. Please sync with slangasek21:34
ttxyes, server images should be "mostly ok"21:35
ttxsmoser: make sure that he has everything needed to trigger what is needed21:35
smoseri will do so later night. i'll send out a mail of where things are, hopefully a.) making sure that things are ready to go b.) that someone else could do it.21:35
ttxsmoser: thanks21:36
Tux2Is there anyone here who can help troubleshoot a bind9 problem?21:55
Tux2Sep 30 14:53:19 CHU-AC1 named[13803]: configuring TKEY: failure21:56
Tux2Sep 30 14:53:19 CHU-AC1 named[13803]: loading configuration: failure21:56
Tux2Sep 30 14:53:19 CHU-AC1 named[13803]: exiting (due to fatal error)21:56
Tux2That is the tail right after trying to start bind921:59
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ezhanginhey guys23:20
ezhanginhey so my member:ubuntu server just stopped booting23:22
ezhanginuh23:22
ezhanginmy ubuntu server*23:22
ezhanginit does do verifying DMI pools in the bios23:22
ezhanginbut then it doesn't do anything after23:22
ezhanginany ideas?23:23
ezhanginugh i'm not even getting to grub, i don't see why this would happen all of a sudden23:29
ezhanginthe last thing i did was create a raid-5 array with mdadm separate from the boot drive23:29
qman__unless you accidentally nuked your boot drive, or grub was for some reason on the wrong drive, the only thing left is hardware failure23:30
ezhangini can mount the boot drive23:30
ezhanginin fact i;m looking at the grub menu23:30
ezhangin.list23:30
qman__ok23:30
qman__the second thing I meant was, if grub was installed to the boot sector on one of the other drives, instead of the one you thought it was using23:31
qman__and you wiped them, that could cause it to stop booting23:31
qman__the solution there would be to boot live and redo grub-install23:31
ezhanginthe OS is definitely on the boot drive, could grub really have run away to another drive?23:31
ezhangini'm on live right now thankfully23:31
qman__yeah23:32
qman__grub-install dynamically determines which drive to install its boot sector to23:32
qman__it doesn't always choose wisely23:32
ezhanginyeah it just sits there blinking after verifying DMI23:32
ezhanginoh23:32
ezhanginhmm23:32
ezhangininteresting23:32
qman__so, you can manually reinstall the grub boot sector on the drive you want, from the live environment23:32
ezhangini might go back and change some BIOS values to the original ones i had and then do this23:32
ezhanginyou have been very helpful23:32
ezhanginthanks already23:33
qman__no problem23:33
ezhanginhow do i manually install grub, apt?23:33
qman__no, just run grub from the live environment23:33
qman__google for "reinstall grub", should get you a guide23:33
qman__or repair grub, etc.23:33
qman__your config is all fine, you just need to recreate the boot sector23:34
ezhangincan i use a x64 sever cd or do i need a live cd?23:34
ezhangini have a 32 bit live cd23:34
qman__server CD should be able to do it, but 32/64-bit won't really matter either23:34
qman__since you're not installing any software, just running a command23:34
ezhangink23:34
ezhanginlive cd boot time23:36
ezhanginyeah i just formatted the array, figures lol23:36
ezhanginoh this makes sense now (one of my other problems)23:36
ezhanginhaha23:36
ezhanginah23:39
ezhanginhere is the grub prompt23:39
ezhanginlet's see23:39
pwnguinis there a way to log FTP ... "user agents"?23:41
ezhanginhaha nice nick man23:42
pwnguinfocus23:42
ezhangini'm in here for help too lol, i just liked the nick23:42
ezhanginwell qman it booted23:43
ezhanginbut my array is jacked again23:43
ezhangini dunno wtf is going on >:23:43
ezhanginoh23:44
ezhanginit said something about (hd0,0) when booting up when it should probalby be (hd4,0)23:44
ezhanginqman__: welp23:47
bencanoyone familiar with autoscan?23:59
bencwhat package do I need to install to have it?23:59

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