[00:14] <sagaci> when's the beta going to be released today, roughly
[00:20] <rubinoo> Hello guys! after upgrading from jaunty to karmic I can no longer boot.. I get an error about the filesystem
[00:21] <test34> anyone else get "fsck.ntfs not found" error at boot?
[00:22] <rubinoo> karmic works great on desktop computer but cant boot on my laptop because of filesystem errors
[00:27] <test34> rubinoo, could you be more specific? exact error? which filesystem you are using?
[00:32] <rubinoo> test34: well when I try to boot I get somekind of error about that the filesystem has errors and it says that it has to check it, i have ext3 filesystem
[00:33] <rubinoo> test34: I did an upgrade not a fresh install
[00:34] <rubinoo> i am now running of the live cd, could i somehow check the filesystem for errors in the terminal=
[00:34] <Veinor> In Karmic, my ath9k-using wireless card gets really intermittent reception.
[00:35] <dholbert> rubinoo, yeah
[00:35] <rubinoo> dholbert: ok how can i do this? :)
[00:35] <dholbert> rubinoo, if the broken filesystem is e.g. /dev/sda4, then you'd run "sudo fsck /dev/sda4" in the terminal
[00:35] <test34> rubinoo, fsck.ext3 /dev/sdaX
[00:35] <dholbert> fsck = file system check
[00:36] <rubinoo> dholbert: yeah thx :)
[00:36] <dholbert> (just plain old fsck is better than "fsck.ext3" I think, 'cause it automatically picks the right one to use)
[00:37] <rubinoo> dholbert: should I unmount the partition first?
[00:37] <dholbert> rubinoo, yes
[00:37] <dholbert> rubinoo, it won't let you fsck it if it's mounted
[00:38] <rubinoo> dholbert: okey im checking it right now ! /dev/sda6 contains a file system with errors, check forced
[00:38] <dholbert> cool, good luck
[00:38] <rubinoo> thx :)
[00:38] <rubinoo> karmic worked great on my desktop computer :)
[00:40] <rubinoo> anyone knows what this meens?Error reading block 2446527 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)
[00:40] <Dai> rubinoo: it means bin the drive
[00:41] <Dai> normally i'd say it's dying, but i'm going to err on the side of caution and say i'm only mostly sure it's dying.
[00:42] <test34> rubinoo, maybe a problem with your /etc/fstab
[00:42] <test34> rubinoo, according to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/fsck.ext3-attempt-to-read-block-from-filesystem-trouble-379551/
[00:42] <rubinoo> gonna see what happens :P
[00:43] <test34> if you dont do anything it wont fix itself
[00:44] <rubinoo> well I entered "yes" to almost everything
[00:44] <Dai> rubinoo: how many times did that happen?
[00:44] <musikgoat> rubinoo: that was an fsck message?
[00:45] <rubinoo> many times :D
[00:45] <Dai> i've seen that message all too many times, and it is NEVER good
[00:45] <Dai> rubinoo: check dmesg | tail
[00:45] <Dai> see if there are i/o errors
[00:45] <rubinoo> well this laptop is old so i dont really care :p
[00:51] <SpacePigeon> does karmic bring apt-url ?
[00:51] <SpacePigeon> like, adding a ppa with just an url?
[00:53] <dholbert> rubinoo, you could try reformatting the partition and then running "sudo e2fsck -c -c /dev/sda6"
[00:54] <dholbert> rubinoo, e2fsck is the ext3 version of fsck (same as fsck.ext3), and "-c -c" means to do a read-write test of every single block
[00:54] <legend2440> i've installed karmic 3 times without success. each time i get grub error 15. with old grub i would fix it by pressing Esc at boot  and change  (hd0,1) to (hd0,0) but Esc doesnt work to get me to the GRUB menu. so i edited the /etc/default/grub file but still cant get grub menu. any ideas?
[00:54] <dholbert> rubinoo (a single -c just means to try to *read* every block, but -c -c will both read & write & then restore the original contents of every block)
[00:55] <dholbert> rubinoo, that's a good way to see if the drive itself is bad vs. if it's just that your filesystem is horked
[00:57] <dholbert> legend2440, your changes don't make a difference unless you use "update-grub" to get them into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:58] <dholbert> legend2440, I think you need to effectively change "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=" to something nonzero (say, 5 for 5seconds), and then run update-grub, and then you should have 5 seconds at boot-time during which you can press "Esc" to get to a grub menu
[00:58] <Rubinioo> Hello again guys! hihih It works now :)
[00:58] <legend2440> dholbert: ok did not know that . thanks.  is Esc at boot still used to get into grub menu?
[00:58] <Rubinioo> thx 4 your help
[00:58] <dholbert> legend2440, yeah
[00:58] <dholbert> Rubinioo, are you the same as rubinoo?
[00:58] <legend2440> dholbert: ok thanks
[00:59] <Rubinioo> dholbert: yes i am :)
[00:59] <dholbert> legend2440, are you able to get to a booted system so that update-grub will actually work though?
[00:59] <dholbert> legend2440, (i.e. with your /boot partition mounted)
[00:59] <dholbert> Rubinioo, glad it worked :) I'd recommend reformatting that partition if it had a ton of errors, btw
[01:00] <legend2440> dholbert: no i edited  the /etc/default/grub file from the Livecd
[01:00] <dholbert> legend2440, ok, simply running "update-grub" there probably won't work
[01:00] <legend2440> dholbert: can i edit the grub.cfg file directly?
[01:01] <dholbert> yeah -- I'm looking at what you want to change
[01:01] <legend2440> dholbert: ok thanks
[01:04] <legend2440> dholbert: i think i want to change  set root - hd0,1 to set root= hd0,0 or something like that
[01:06] <dholbert> legend2440, http://paste.ubuntu.com/282553/
[01:07] <dholbert> legend2440, that's the change made to my /boot/grub/grub.cfg when I change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 4 in /etc/default/grub
[01:11] <legend2440> dholbert: ok thanks. can i trouble you with one more question?  when i'm installing karmic there is an Advanced button that opens a Grub installer box. it is by default set to  (hd0) and i've tried that setting 3 times without success. i was wondering if i  change that setting to  sdb or sdb1 which is my  ubuntu drive and ubuntu partition if that would eliminate the  grub 15 error?
[01:11] <dholbert> legend2440, I've only ever accepted the default there
[01:11] <dholbert> legend2440, but if it's suggesting values like "hd0", you definitely don't want "sda" or "sdb"
[01:11] <dholbert> legend2440, grub uses a different drive-naming scheme from what linux uses
[01:12] <legend2440> dholbert: ok i see.    thanks for all your help. i guess i'll try installing again
[01:13] <dholbert> legend2440, also, if grub is running (albeit failing), then I think it means that box is set to the right value
[01:13] <dholbert> legend2440, no prob, good luck!
[01:13] <legend2440> dholbert: thanks
[01:16] <KnifeySpooney> Hey, when I boot up Ubuntu I get a warning that flashes somewhat quickly, I didn't catch much of it but it was about apparmor and /usr/sbin/ntpd. I ran 'aa-status' and got: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282560/ . How do I fix this?
[01:17] <KnifeySpooney> I mean, how do I fix the complain mode part? That is the warning appearing on boot
[01:19] <KnifeySpooney> anyone there?
[01:26] <DanaG> hmm, sreadahead spits out a bunch of "unable to find a suitable fs"
[01:26] <DanaG> ... and then aborts with exit status 1.
[01:27] <KnifeySpooney> anyone...?
[01:27] <KnifeySpooney> Hey, when I boot up Ubuntu I get a warning that flashes somewhat quickly, I didn't catch much of it but it was about apparmor and /usr/sbin/ntpd. I ran 'aa-status' and got: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282560/ . How do I fix the complain mode warning?
[01:32] <Etu> Is there a beta yet? :)
[01:33] <iflema> yah yah
[01:33] <Etu> Soo, where can I get it? :)
[01:34] <Etu> I wanna try it out
[01:34] <iflema> you testn??????
[01:34] <iflema> hey
[01:34] <iflema> lol
[01:34] <iflema> sry
[01:34] <iflema> just got up
[01:34] <iflema> shes out in 1 month
[01:35] <Etu> The time is 02:34 here in sweden, so Its October 1stz And the KarmicReleaseSchedule says that beta should be out today
[01:36] <iflema> i meant (au 10:35am thur 1 oct) the full release
[01:36] <Etu> huh? How many hours is it until then?
[01:36] <iflema> are release cycles to short?????
[01:37] <iflema> thats now
[01:37] <iflema> hang on ill get link
[01:37] <Etu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule <-- That page tells me that beta release should be today
[01:38] <iflema> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[01:38] <iflema> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[01:38] <Etu> And the link to the "beta" is broken: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[01:38] <iflema> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[01:38] <Etu> Nice, thanks :)
[01:38] <iflema> see testing procedures
[01:40] <Etu> I have realy never beeing intrested in ubuntu betas before, but I have been running alpha for some weeks now, do get some newer packages.
[01:40] <iflema> you could use proposed and backport repos....
[01:40] <iflema> on the stable
[01:41] <iflema> version
[01:41] <iflema> if ya live in alpha ya never really get to a stable
[01:41] <DanaG> weird... at boot I get a lot of spew of "no suitable fs found in /proc/mounts, perhaps not mounted?"
[01:41] <Etu> I want the kernel mode setting stuff for intel too, and stuff works pretty great on my EeePC
[01:41] <Etu> With 9.10 Alpha
[01:43] <JanC> Etu: the beta is released somewhere between 00h & 24h on Thursday Oct 1st, in an unspecified timezone, which means there is 47h period in which it can be released  ;-)
[01:44] <JanC> I haven't seen any recent updates for packages on the CD though, so most likely the last daily will be the beta
[01:45] <Etu> JanC: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <-- :)
[01:45] <JanC> yeah, those are the beta candidates
[01:46] <JanC> and thus most likely also the betas
[01:46] <JanC> unless somebody found a bug that burns up 50% of all tester's computers  ;-)
[01:47] <DanaG> open("/dev/snd/pcmC1D1p", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[01:47] <DanaG> stupid a52 alsa plugin.
[01:51] <lubosz> hi
[01:51] <lubosz> which package contains gnome3?
[01:51] <lubosz> is there a desktop metapackage?
[01:54] <KnifeySpooney> I didn't know gnome3 was out yet.
[01:54] <KnifeySpooney> AFAIK, gnome 3 might be released in lucid lynx 10.04
[01:55] <KnifeySpooney> i might be wrong
[01:55] <lubosz> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-3
[01:58] <musikgoat> KnifeySpooney: i think your right, since this release is around 2.28
[01:58] <KnifeySpooney> lubosz: Try this: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-install-gnome-shell-intrepid-jaunty.html
[01:59] <KnifeySpooney> musikgoat: I actually just read some articles, and apparently gnome3.0 is planend to be released /by default/ in 10.04, but I think you can install gnome3 manually on earlier versions of ubuntu
[02:00] <musikgoat> KnifeySpooney: lubosz: i think that gnome3 has to be alpha'ed by gnome.org first though :)
[02:01] <KnifeySpooney> musikgoat: Probably, but I have no intention of upgrading so i don't mind .. I like the current gnome :D
[02:01] <Nattgew> KnifeySpooney: it sure is looking good... I've tried other things but I just keep coming back
[02:02] <iflema> kde4s getn better
[02:02] <iflema> tahan itself
[02:03] <KnifeySpooney> I've tried KDE, but I can't get used to that layout. Gnome seems much more organized in my opinion
[02:03] <iflema> m
[02:04] <KnifeySpooney> Anybody have any insight on my problem with AppArmor? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8033084
[02:06] <lubosz> KnifeySpooney: i already did this, but i'm in xubuntu ^^
[02:06] <lubosz> i upgraded my jaunty xubuntu vm
[02:06] <lubosz> and it crashes :p
[02:06] <lubosz> so i wonder which gnome to install
[02:06] <lubosz> 2.28?
[02:07] <KnifeySpooney> for the latest gnome or 3.0?
[02:07] <lubosz> musikgoat: so this statement is wrong? http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/247/10-things-new-about-ubuntu-karmic-koala-worth-taking-note-of
[02:07] <lubosz> KnifeySpooney: gnome 3 in karmic
[02:08] <KnifeySpooney> "The GNOME 2.30 release, which will be about a year and a half from now based on GNOME's standard six-month release cycle, is what the developers have decided to call GNOME 3.0."
[02:08] <musikgoat> lubosz: thats actually a demo of gnome-shell
[02:08] <KnifeySpooney> ^ that was posted on July 14, 2009
[02:09] <musikgoat> lubosz: and tbh, that doesn't look all that interesting...
[02:09] <musikgoat> oh my, a pop out menu...
[02:10] <musikgoat> the music was decent though :P
[02:11] <Orfeous> hi everybody
[02:11] <musikgoat> lubosz: and that article must be old, cause it still references empathy as the default messenger... which was changed
[02:11] <lubosz> k
[02:11] <lubosz> then i just try gnome 2.28 with gnome-shell
[02:11] <lubosz> or gnome 3 from git ^^
[02:11] <musikgoat> lubosz: sounds good :)
[02:11] <Orfeous> got some problems with my computer.. upgraded all packages yesterday and now my computer boots up in single user mode! and is logged in as root as default.
[02:11] <Orfeous> what can i do about it?
[02:12] <musikgoat> Orfeous: you could try dist-upgrade if you didn't do that
[02:12] <lubosz> do you have grub 2 Orfeous?
[02:12] <Orfeous> hmm..
[02:12] <Orfeous> some services doesnt start also.. i must start them manually.
[02:12] <lubosz> are you booting the safe mode in your boot manager?
[02:13] <lubosz> this sounds like safe mode ubuntu Orfeous
[02:13] <lubosz> check your menu.lst
[02:13] <lubosz> or grub2 config
[02:13] <lubosz> if you installed that
[02:13] <Orfeous> no, i boot as normally.. but i had problems some days ago so i had to boot into safe-mode and boot with "netboot"
[02:13] <lubosz> does karmic fall back into safe mode automatically?
[02:13] <lubosz> maybe the upgrade messed with your boot config
[02:14] <lubosz> which it surely did, cause its a new kernel
[02:14] <Orfeous> when i choose my newest kernel in the grub boot menu it boots up and starts gdm.. and i can login..
[02:14] <lubosz> this is what you should do
[02:14] <lubosz> and remove the old kernels
[02:14] <Orfeous> but i cant open any console shells like before with CTRL+F1, CTRL+F2 etc..
[02:14] <lubosz> maybe there are version collisions
[02:15] <lubosz> karmic is build on newer kernel than jaunty
[02:15] <Martyn> So, how are we looking for the midnight release?
[02:15] <Orfeous> if i press CTRL+F2 there are just a black screen and nothing more.. and if i press CTRL+F1 i got into gnome again :)
[02:15] <Martyn> Anything showstopper enough to stop us from going Beta-1?
[02:16] <Orfeous> lubosz, i have upgraded karmic packages and kernels many times
[02:16] <lubosz> ah ok
[02:16] <Orfeous> and i have tried older kernels also but its the same issue i have with the single-user-mode
[02:16] <lubosz> did you read your kernel log?
[02:17] <lubosz> is this an bug or a feture
[02:17] <Orfeous> yes, of course.. but i couldnt find any specific erros...
[02:17] <lubosz> why would you want to boot older kernels anyway?
[02:17] <Orfeous> i can try upload it when i come home tomorrow..
[02:18] <Orfeous> just to see if that fixed the problems but it didnt ;)
[02:18] <lubosz> but newest kernel boots and starts xserver?
[02:18] <Orfeous> yes
[02:18] <lubosz> maybe you should wait for the beta :D
[02:19] <lubosz> so what is wrong about that ^^
[02:19] <musikgoat> !info software-center
[02:19] <Orfeous> i know that i got some udev errors but they dissapearded after some packages upgrade :D
[02:19] <lubosz> Orfeous: maybe you should try grub2
[02:19] <lubosz> i read that it is installed by default in karmic
[02:20] <musikgoat> hmm, i guess that is the underlying tool for add/remove...
[02:20] <lubosz> i already use that in jaunty
[02:20] <Orfeous> hmm
[02:20] <lubosz> i boot grub2 from grub1
[02:20] <lubosz> because i didnt figure out how to boot osx from grub2
[02:20] <Orfeous> hehe
[02:21] <lubosz> config of grub2 is a pain in the ass if you dont know it
[02:21] <lubosz> it is generated
[02:21] <lubosz> so you dont write any config, but generator scripts
[02:21] <lubosz> very intuitive
[02:21] <musikgoat> lubosz: vi /etc/default/grub
[02:21] <DanaG> vi?
[02:21] <DanaG> =þ
[02:21] <lubosz> m
[02:21] <Orfeous> vim
[02:21] <DanaG> bah. gksu gedit.  or sudo nano.  =þ
[02:22] <musikgoat> whatev
[02:22] <Orfeous> i also use vim with colors ;)
[02:22] <lubosz> i use gedit
[02:22] <lubosz> with colors
[02:22] <DanaG> Even nano can do colors, by the way.
[02:22] <lubosz> musikgoat: i can put old school grub config in here for grub2?
[02:22] <Orfeous> but can grub be my problem why it boots into single-user-mode?
[02:23] <DanaG> oh, and disable wrapping, because line-wrapping by INSERTING carriage returns.... is stupid.
[02:23] <Orfeous> even if i have not selected safe-mode
[02:23] <musikgoat> lubosz: sort of... but the flags aren't all the same
[02:23] <lubosz> Orfeous: single user mode si a boot flag
[02:23] <musikgoat> lubosz: but its where you make those edits, then sudo update-grub
[02:23] <musikgoat> lubosz: and it builds grub.cfg
[02:23] <lubosz> k i try that thx
[02:23] <Orfeous> lubosz, can it be something else if it isnt grub?
[02:24] <Orfeous> some other config-file or something?
[02:24] <lubosz> Orfeous: i wouldnt try to fix the old kernels, but your problems in the current
[02:25] <Orfeous> its really annoying :)
[02:26] <Orfeous> its my server also ;)
[02:27] <musikgoat> Orfeous: without analyzing your dmesg logs, there could be loads of stuff causing a problem
[02:27] <musikgoat> Orfeous: can you pastebin them?
[02:30] <Orfeous> musikgoat, yes but not until tomorrow when i come home.
[02:31] <Orfeous> i only wonder how i can put it on pastebin from my console?
[02:31] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[02:32] <Orfeous> nice :D
[02:32] <musikgoat> yes, very useful
[02:35] <Orfeous> but another problem then.. how can i run an irc-client without running as root?
[02:37] <test34> irc client doesnt need root...
[02:38] <Orfeous> i know..
[02:38] <Orfeous> but i am logged in as root!
[02:38] <Orfeous> maybe i can sudo my normal user
[02:38] <test34> su
[02:39] <musikgoat> Orfeous: try " su <username> - "
[02:40] <musikgoat> the - should cause you to use the right environment
[02:40] <Orfeous> ok, i will try it tomorrow and paste dmesg
[02:41] <Orfeous> its kern.log?
[02:46] <darthanubis> anyone notice samba shares not showing up?
[02:46] <darthanubis> scratch that
[02:47] <Martyn> darthanubis : Nope, all mine show up
[02:47] <darthanubis> I think my router stops sending smb traffic if it gets overloaded
[02:47] <Martyn> and I'm using smb4
[02:47] <darthanubis> I need a new router
[02:47] <darthanubis> my mythtv box is too powerful to just be a smoothwall firewall
[02:48] <darthanubis> maybe I could have it virtualize both smoothwall and mythtv?
[02:48] <darthanubis> hmm
[02:48] <darthanubis> I know I'm sharing from 9.10, but can't browse my own shares or the network via nautilus
[02:48] <darthanubis> wierd
[02:49] <Orfeous> hmm
[02:49] <Orfeous> samba has always lived its on life for me for many years
[02:50] <Orfeous> musikgoat, maybe its time for me to make a new installation on my computer its longtime ago now ;) many dist-upgrades :D
[02:50] <Orfeous> install ubuntu-server 9.10
[02:50] <darthanubis>    name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host << I still noticed that this line has to be changed in smb.conf
[02:51] <darthanubis> I would have though Ubuntu would have fixed this long ago
[02:51] <darthanubis> I always have to put "host" at the end of that line
[02:51] <darthanubis> otherwise the network is never able to resolve the shared machines
[02:54] <nomnex> The FN keys of my notebooks (Panasonic let's note/Sony Vaio) are not working with 9.04. Any changes with Karmic (FN keys notebooks)?
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> Try a live cd and see if they work.
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> The FN keys work on my 2 laptops ive tested.
[02:55] <nomnex> what make/model/years?
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Oddity/bug? - I change the mouse pointer in the gnome appearance- tools. The pointer changes for SOME apps but not all of them. (perhaps its only changed for newly started apps?) i dont recall this happening in 9.04
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> One netbook, AAO, and one HP dv2000 I belive
[02:56] <Orfeous> nomnex, i think it works for me on my sony vaio
[02:57] <nomnex> that's good news! model please?
[02:57] <Orfeous> i was able to press fn-key and contrast higher and lower..
[02:57] <Orfeous> VGN-FW11M
[02:57] <Orfeous> the sony-module must be loaded
[02:58] <nomnex> how and where is the sony module?
[02:58] <DanaG> another way: sudo -i -u username'
[02:58] <darthanubis> findsmb lists the computers and shares, but nautilus says failure to retrieve share list
[02:58] <DanaG> -i for "give me a shell".
[02:58] <darthanubis> Failed to retrieve share list from server
[02:59] <danield707> good day
[02:59] <Orfeous> nomnex, its located under /var/lib/"kernel-version"... hmm then i forgot the other directorys..
[03:00] <Orfeous> but i think ive found it under a "laptop" dir.
[03:01] <nomnex> Orfeous: I fairly new to linux. I can follow instruction though. could you be more specific. do you have to compile the kernel?
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> with naitulus ive often had to type in the proper path to the  server/share name the first thme.. THEN it gets it figured out and asks me for a username/password   then it starts to see it corectly after that
[03:02] <Orfeous> the kernel allready have many devices etc.. compiled as modules and are loaded to the computers specs..
[03:02] <akio> anyone have this issue with gnome-power-manager screen blanking?
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> ie: i used in the address bar    smb://servernameorIP/sharehane
[03:02] <Orfeous> sony-laptop is the module-name
[03:02] <nomnex> Orfeous: I am following
[03:03] <Orfeous> the patch can be downloaded if its not included in your current running kernel
[03:03] <nomnex> Orfeous: do you have a download link
[03:04] <Orfeous> what kernel are you running?
[03:05] <nomnex> what's the command uname-?
[03:05] <Orfeous> uname -a
[03:05] <nomnex> Orfeous: Pana1 2.6.28-15-generic
[03:05] <Orfeous> ah ok..
[03:06] <Orfeous> then it should be located at /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/drivers/misc/sony-laptop.ko
[03:06] <darthanubis> http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8033399#post8033399
[03:06] <nomnex> Orfeous: I found it for the panasonic, but I don't know how to install it then
[03:07] <Orfeous> sudo modprobe "modulename"
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> !autoload
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> i forget the proper modules autoload file.
[03:07] <Orfeous> its /etc/modules
[03:08] <Orfeous> nomnex, did you find the sony-laptop module?
[03:08] <nomnex> orfeous sudo modprobe sony-laptop.ko (correct?) what about /etc/modules
[03:08] <Orfeous> nomnex, yes i think that is correct
[03:09] <nomnex> Orfeous: I am confuse about /etc/modules
[03:09] <Orfeous> the /etc/modules is a file for autoloading modules on startup.
[03:10] <nomnex> Orfeous: steps: a. command: sudo modprobe sony-laptop.ko / b. ?? /etc/modules (only?)
[03:10] <darthanubis> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+question/58092
[03:11] <darthanubis> we can't get smb working flawlessly ...really?
[03:11] <darthanubis> release after release we have to go through the SAME issues, why?
[03:11] <Orfeous> nomnex, no.. just write sony-laptop on a new line in that file /etc/modules and save it
[03:12] <nomnex> Orfeous: got it. that's all? Is there a link/thread/guide for other computer models: titled How to install a module?
[03:12] <Orfeous> nomnex, ive found that the command for loading the module is "sudo modprobe sony-laptop" not with that .ko file extension its for loading with insmod command. if the module isnt located in the kernel hiercy
[03:13] <Orfeous> nomnex, hmm.. maybe :) i dont know.
[03:13] <Orfeous> what sony vaio do you have?
[03:13] <nomnex> got it sudo modprobe sony-laptop , then copy sony-laptop on /etc/modules. Vaio PG-K66P.
[03:14] <Orfeous> nomnex, write sony-laptop on a single line :)
[03:15] <centaur5> anybody know where the tty files went (used to be in /etc/event.d)?
[03:16] <Orfeous> centaur5, i have been searching for them too
[03:17] <nomnex> Orfeous: line 1: #added line below. line 2: sony-laptop - Correct?
[03:17] <Orfeous> centaur5, look in /etc/init/tty*
[03:17] <centaur5> Orfeous, sucks that documentation takes a while to come out when lots of changes happen. I'm lost with the LDAP changes.
[03:17] <Orfeous> centaur5, i got some problems too with those changes :)
[03:18] <centaur5> Orfeous, well atleast I know I'm not alone on this.  :)
[03:18] <Orfeous> centaur5, there are no lonley people out there ;)
[03:18] <Orfeous> lonely
[03:19] <Orfeous> nomnex, looks ok..
[03:19] <nomnex> Orfeous: when there is a kernel update, do I have pass the command modprob again, or only once?
[03:20] <centaur5> Orfeous, Do you happen to know the advantage that the new LDAP config database files even offers?
[03:23] <Orfeous> nomnex, modprobe is to be typed everytime you want to load a module without the /etc/modules
[03:23] <Orfeous> i mean if the module isnt specified in the /etc/module file
[03:24] <Orfeous> if its there you have not to type it again
[03:24] <Orfeous> you can see if the module is loaded by typing "lsmod"
[03:24] <Orfeous> to unload a module you type "sudo lsmod modulename"
[03:25] <Orfeous> sorry.. i meant rmmod :D
[03:25] <test34> rmmod can also be usefull
[03:26] <nomnex> Orfeous: got it thanks. could you confirm the location "sony-laptop" when I cd var/lib/ =>from: acpi-support, alsa, ...,to: xml-core, but no kernel
[03:28] <Orfeous> nomnex, i dont understand
[03:31] <nomnex> Orfeous: no folder kernel when in /var/lib/. I am looking for the location of sony-laptop.
[03:33] <DanaG> modinfo sony-laptop
[03:33] <DanaG> or are you not talking about modules?
[03:33] <Orfeous> nomnex, i thought you allerady located it.
[03:34] <Orfeous> ok, but i must go to sleep now.. my GF wakes up in about 1 hour ;) and i have not gone to sleep :D
[03:34] <Orfeous> see you!
[03:34] <nomnex> Orfeous: that was my believe;-)
[03:34] <nomnex> thanks see you.
[03:35] <akio> I just reported bug #439768
[03:35] <akio> any devs here?
[03:35] <Orfeous> ill be back later today for update..
[03:46] <chu_> I'm currently on jaunty with the 2.6.31 kernel, update manager wants me to revert to .28 I think, but karmic is using .31 I believe? I heard it was always good choice to do a full system update before an upgrade, in this case it seems almost pointless...
[03:47]  * Martyn waits patiently for the beta-1 build to make it's appearance
[04:08] <wastrel> hi
[04:08] <akio> hello
[04:09] <wastrel> my battery said i have 17 hours of life remaining
[04:09] <akio> car battery?
[04:09] <wastrel> laptop battery
[04:09] <akio> not 17 hours
[04:09] <wastrel> with koala os
[04:09] <akio> wow
[04:09] <akio> new laptop?
[04:10] <akio> does it really last that long?
[04:11] <wastrel> no i think it's a bug in the battery life reporting
[04:11] <wastrel> it only says 8 hours now
[04:11] <akio> How long did it say 17 hours?
[04:11] <wastrel> a few minutes
[04:12] <akio> how old is the battery?
[04:12] <wastrel> brand new
[04:12] <akio> hmm
[04:12] <akio> what does hal say? same thing?
[04:14] <wastrel> dunno
[04:16] <akio> acpi -V
[04:17] <wastrel> well it says 46 minutes now
[04:18] <wastrel> both from acpi and from the battery thingy in the gnome panel
[04:18] <akio> i think your bug is for gnome-power-manager
[04:19] <akio> I saw it stated in another bug, might want to check the other bugs for gnome-power-manager
[04:19] <akio> or whatever binary / package name current is
[04:48] <pradeep> is karmic alpha 6 stable enough
[04:48] <akio> for what?
[04:49] <pradeep> there?
[04:49] <DanaG> <insert YOUR MOM joke here>
[04:49] <akio> ohew
[04:50] <akio> hello
[04:50] <akio> have you seen my new bug?
[04:50] <DanaG> (actually, saying just that is a bit funnier, and less offensive, than such an actual joke.)
[04:50] <akio> thats what your mom said
[04:51]  * akio hides
[04:51] <pradeep> i want to upgrade to karmic alpha 6, is it safe. if there are problems can i revert back to jaunty
[04:51] <akio> bug #439768
[04:52] <akio> Is it safe?
[04:53] <akio> Im sure an OS will not harm you. Unless it runs a potentially hazardous robot that just so happens to bounty hunt on the side.
[04:54] <akio> dual boot man
[04:54] <akio> Or use a really cool backup solution.
[04:56] <pradeep> i want to upgrade to karmic alpha 6, is it safe. if there are problems can i revert back to jaunty
[04:58] <Veinor> I don't think you can revert.
[05:02] <Voss> pradeep, it is an alpha, if you want safe come back in november
[05:03] <akio> My gnumeric stop crashing
[05:03] <akio> stopped*
[05:04] <Veinor> hooray!
[05:04] <akio> ?
[05:20] <andresmh> gdb is eating all my cpu
[05:41] <nomnex> Could use a general advice from users with more exp than I have: I am using pidgin (mainly MSN chat/ XMPP chat/ IRC) on Jaunty 9.04. any good reason to make the move to the default emtpathy in Karmic? Or would you re-install pidgin over it?
[05:42] <akio> empathy +1
[05:43] <nomnex> akio: I can't try it currently on jaunty because of a dependency problem, why +1
[05:43] <todd_> nomnex I use amsn
[05:44] <nomnex> Thanks tood, the question is related to Karmic change
[05:44] <akio> I had an issue with Pidgin working with gnome-panel
[05:45] <nomnex> akio: okay. Other beta karmic testers any input empathy/pidgin ?
[05:45] <nomnex> mainly IRC focused
[05:46] <todd_> yes I use Karmic and for I\m clients empathy works well but for hotmail I recommenc amsn
[05:46] <iflema> go pidgin
[05:46] <akio> awesome plugins for pidgin
[05:47] <akio> my favorite was the replacement
[05:47] <nomnex> I see now, point taken, I have heard empathy was not completely ready and was more a political move.
[05:47] <todd_> irc I use chatzilla by firefox
[05:47] <iflema> pidginll get web/mic some day..... who needs it...?
[05:47] <akio> I would turn that on with my family and replace 4 letter words with things like "Holy cow Batman!"
[05:48] <nomnex> inflema, I guess I can make my idea.
[05:48] <teddy> for irc i am using irssi
[05:48] <nomnex> so pidgin is not going to die among ubuntu users
[05:48] <akio> I wonder what that game of replacing verbs could do with the replacement plugin.
[05:48] <akio> Mad Libs?
[05:49] <akio> hell no
[05:49] <nomnex> alright thanks everyone!
[05:50] <iflema> pidgin - add msn,live,hotmail = msn/whatever@blah.blah
[05:52] <iflema> im doing this on pidgin
[05:52] <nomnex> ifleman: you mean account settings?
[05:54] <iflema> pidgin does just about all... itll get web/mic sonn enough. if ya remove empathy add pidgin the user switcher works great
[05:54] <rww> pidgin 2.6.1 has voice and video support over XMPP
[05:54] <iflema> tray icons good
[05:54] <iflema> user swithcer good
[05:55] <iflema> why change?/?
[05:55] <iflema> irc a bit odd but it goes
[05:55] <iflema> well not odd at all
[05:56] <iflema> empathy = p
[06:00] <iflema> kopete currently a pain for yahoo users or is that sorted
[06:00] <iflema> ?
[06:01] <iflema> that goes for most distros
[06:03] <sagaci> !punctuation | iflema
[06:03] <sagaci> !enter + iflema
[06:03] <sagaci> !enter | iflema
[06:11] <nomnex> iflema: thanks, I could make my mind
[06:33] <bullgard4> What manual can you recommand for Empathy?
[06:35] <bullgard4> [solved]
[06:39] <mshooshtari> How close is the Beta, does anbody know if it's to be delayed?
[06:40] <mshooshtari> I'm getting ready for a Beta party.
[06:41] <akio> 1:41 am here
[06:41] <mshooshtari> it's 3hrs earlier(PDT)
[06:42] <mshooshtari> Should be the 1st(Beta Release Date) UTC though, but the last several beta's have been delayed due to build problems.
[06:42] <mshooshtari> It's OK, but I just haven't heard anything yet.
[06:49] <Orfeous> now im here with my dmesg as requested for failsearching
[06:49] <Orfeous> http://pastebin.com/f455a1822
[06:54] <ripps> Man! Ubuntu killed epiphany-gecko and epiphany-webkit is broken. I'm forced to use firefox. I hate it, so slow and bloated.
[06:56] <Orfeous> any other file that i should show?
[07:04] <bullgard4> ripps: What is 'epiphany-webkit'?
[07:04] <ripps> bullgard4: the default gnome web-browser
[07:05] <ripps> technically, just epiphany, but it's been rewritten to use webkit now
[07:05] <bullgard4> ripps: No. The default GNOME web browser is Epiphany.
[07:06] <ripps> bullgard4: epiphany-browser is now epiphany-webkit. By default, with gnome 2.28, your using epiphany-webkit
[07:06] <ripps> technically, epiphany-gecko can still be installed, but only without any extensions, and that's pretty drab
[07:08] <mshooshtari> Has there been any official announcment of Karmic beta being delayed yet?
[07:14] <ripps> mshooshtari: why would Karmic beta be delayed?
[07:15] <mshooshtari> ripps: no updates anywhere yet, and it's already Oct 1st in 80% of the world.
[07:16] <ripps> I don't recall anywhere that beta had to be released at the stroke of midnight. They have all day to make the official release
[07:16] <dominic_> Hello
[07:16] <dominic_> Has karmic beta been released now?
[07:17] <mshooshtari> dominic_: lol
[07:17] <ripps> It's barely even October, and everybody's already asking "is beta here yet?"
[07:17] <mshooshtari> dominic_: I think were asking the wrong day, probably after work tomorrow. I just got a new laptop for work and wanted to blow away the vista default install in style.
[07:17] <dominic_> It says on launchpad it was here 5 hours ago
[07:18] <dominic_> pardon, 6 hours ago
[07:18] <mshooshtari> dominic_: I'm starting to understand ripps though, who would want to get up at 6am to release software?
[07:19] <ripps> what difference does it make? There's only been like, what, 3 packages between yesterday and today?
[07:19] <mshooshtari> Does anybody have any inside information, is the nightly build working OK?
[07:19] <mshooshtari> I'll just grab that one if it doesn't have any install probs
[07:19] <dominic_> i guess.
[07:19] <bullgard4> ripps: Thank you for explaining.
[07:19] <dominic_> Do you release it ripps?
[07:20] <mshooshtari> I've had bad luck with nighty builds lately, I think it's just my hardware or timing.
[07:20] <ripps> Nobody here "releases it", virutally everybody here are just normal ubuntu users
[07:20] <dominic_> ah
[07:20] <dominic_> ok
[07:20] <dominic_> lol
[07:20] <mshooshtari> should MOTD, just download the 30ths nightly build.
[07:21] <dominic_> brb
[07:22] <mshooshtari> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:25] <dominic_> Its october 1st over here, thats the only reason i asked
[07:25] <dominic_> Cant wait!
[07:25] <mshooshtari> I'm just anxious for the beta page with it's feature list and screenshots.
[07:25] <dominic_> lol
[07:25] <dominic_> Yes, im that sad.
[07:26] <mshooshtari> me too
[07:26] <mshooshtari> ubuntu is all I could think of when I got off work today.
[07:26] <dominic_> lol!
[07:26] <mshooshtari> and the time to desktop, damn that's fast.
[07:26] <dominic_> brb
[07:26] <dominic_> Well, my boot time is hindered by a load of errors i get on boot
[07:27] <dominic_> Things like "Profile could not be loaded"
[07:27] <dominic_> But they flash too fast to write down
[07:27] <dominic_> A
[07:27] <dominic_> If im quick enough on the scroll lock tonight, ill report an error
[07:27] <dominic_> *bug
[07:27] <dominic_> AFK
[07:28] <iflema> type 'dmesg' in terminal whan ya can
[07:28] <mshooshtari> is there still the auto error reporting, running the test suite?
[07:28] <mshooshtari> I'm not sure if it reports errors, but it sends in the configuration.
[07:29] <dominic_> i dont know...
[07:30] <dominic_> I've only been using Ubuntu for a month
[07:30] <mshooshtari> Oh there was something I wanted to try and get into 10.04
[07:30] <dominic_> Maybe 5 weeks
[07:30] <mshooshtari> Laptop users have to switch between docked and undocked configurations
[07:30] <dominic_> Did you hear about the 10.04 boot time-aim?
[07:30] <dominic_> 10 seconds! Thats what they aim for!
[07:31] <dominic_> Also whats really fast about ubuntu is that when you get to the desktop, you actually get onto the internet/skype/emesene/pidgin/hydrogen/whatever a lot faster than on windows
[07:31] <mshooshtari> xrandr has configurations, but no easy way to load or switch
[07:32] <mshooshtari> there's a gui tool called arandr which saves the configurations into scripts
[07:32] <dominic_> ok
[07:32] <mshooshtari> If something could be set up to detect the docked and undocked states, and allow the display to change automatically between the dock connected monitor, and the laptop display that would be nice.
[07:33] <mshooshtari> right now I set up KDE hotkeys for a friend and he can change that way
[07:33] <domjohnson> ok
[07:33] <mshooshtari> but if the system knows to change things for power management etc, the ability to change screen configurations should be able to tie into that.
[07:33] <iflema> dominic_: in terminal try 'dmesg | more' space bar to page down... might catch ya boot error(s)
[07:35] <domjohnson> no, the only thing boot-related is things like "Bios" then a couple of long numbers, then things like "reserved"
[07:35] <domjohnson> and "usuable"
[07:35] <domjohnson> and "ASPCI data"
[07:35] <domjohnson> ohhh
[07:35] <domjohnson> thats a ram map
[07:37] <mshooshtari> oooh sun(rise/set) artwork is very nice
[07:37] <domjohnson> huh?
[07:40] <domjohnson> what are cupsd, aptd and totem?
[07:40] <domjohnson> They all crashed
[07:40] <mshooshtari> domjohnson: the artwork is nice, it wasn't in the alpha
[07:41] <domjohnson> ok
[07:41] <mshooshtari> domjohnson: cupsd is the printing system (common unix printing system daemon)
[07:41] <domjohnson> Theres a screenshot?
[07:41] <mshooshtari> totem is a media player
[07:41] <domjohnson> ok
[07:41] <mshooshtari> not sure about apt unless it's part of aptitude, related to package management.
[07:42] <domjohnson> ok
[07:42] <mshooshtari> What I want to see for 10.04 is for openchange to make amends to all the gnome distributions with the hype about microsoft exhcange integration.
[07:42] <domjohnson> ?
[07:42] <domjohnson> lol
[07:43] <mshooshtari> first it released buggy, then lots of problems with clustered exchange servers.
[07:43] <mshooshtari> that's acceptable, but they hyped it so much that redhat, ubuntu and others marked it as a huge nice new feature.
[07:43] <mshooshtari> and it was more of a dud.
[07:43] <ubuntu0ath1> Are the cdimages building? When will the beta land ?
[07:44] <mshooshtari> ubuntu0ath1: no word yet, I just grabbed daily from 30th, it has new artwork and looks good, then will apt-get upgrade tomorrow
[07:45] <domjohnson> Was the first release of ubuntu 4.10?
[07:45] <mshooshtari> I don't know I started with ubuntu around dapper
[07:47] <mshooshtari> yep I remember, trying to set up mythtv on breezy, but just before I finished dapper came out. All the guides were written for 5.04
[07:48] <mshooshtari> now there's a nice mythbuntu that does everything out of the box.
[07:51] <domjohnson> You know how you have the weather forecast on your top panel?
[07:51] <domjohnson> Is that for today or tomorrow?
[07:51] <ubuntu0ath1> It's supposed to be current weather
[07:53] <domjohnson> Oh, crap its cold outside
[07:53] <domjohnson> According to that
[08:00] <domjohnson> Can you port Visual Basic Code to ubuntu?
[08:00] <domjohnson> As in, make it into a .deb file?
[08:06] <domjohnson> bye
[08:07]  * Martyn waits for the beta 1 to finish 'gelling' together
[08:07] <Martyn> So many last-second bugfixes and checkins
[08:12] <bullgard4> Martyn: What do you mean by "checkins"?
[08:16] <ideasman_42> Hi there
[08:17] <ideasman_42> Im testing karmic and having very slow printing, its spending a LOT of time on the process "gs"
[08:17] <ideasman_42> slow as in 4min before one page prints.. for 10 pages... Its over 8min and I cancel
[08:17] <ideasman_42> anyone know of this slow printing problem?
[08:22] <vega-> don't have that, instead i have a "printing works from some programs, but not from all" problem with karmic
[08:22] <vega-> but those that work, are okay speed-wise
[08:23] <ideasman_42> vega-, email is fast for some reason but PDF's very slow
[08:24] <ideasman_42> the problem is "gs" the ghostscript command is using 500mb or so of ram
[08:24] <ideasman_42> and using loads of CPU
[08:24] <ideasman_42> this is weired because it used to work fine
[08:24] <ideasman_42> on hardy
[08:25] <bullgard4> Martyn: What do you mean by "checkins"?
[08:26] <ideasman_42> is it possible to print at lower resolution?
[08:26] <ideasman_42> like 300x300, the option is only for 600x600
[08:31] <AlanBell> ideasman_42: ghostscript is a postscript interpreter, postscript is an interpreted programming language. It can take a long time to execute a postscript "program" especially a buggy one
[08:32] <AlanBell> I once locked up a university printer for several hours printing a short postscript program that generated a big fractal image
[08:32] <AlanBell> ideasman_42: what are you printing?
[08:35] <ideasman_42> AlanBell, just a 10 page bdf
[08:35] <ideasman_42> pdf
[08:35] <ideasman_42> AlanBell, yep, am familier with PS
[08:35] <ideasman_42> well, not to the point of writing games in it but still
[08:35] <hyper_ch> hi there, do I get this right: In karmic I can add PPAs but just adding ppa:abiword-stable/ppa  to the sources.list?
[08:36] <ideasman_42> AlanBell, Id accept gs can be slow, but since this used to print fast assume its some bug?
[08:36] <ideasman_42> is there some way to replace GS or downgrade the package in karmic?
[08:36] <dupondje> XML-parsefout: ongedefinieerde entiteit
[08:36] <dupondje> Locatie: jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3/chrome/browser.jar!/content/browser/certerror/aboutCertError.xhtml
[08:36] <dupondje> Regelnummer 241, kolom 34:          <p id="introContentP1">&certerror.introPara1;</p>
[08:36] <dupondje> ---------------------------------^
[08:36] <dupondje> any idea ?
[08:36] <AlanBell> ideasman_42: if it is a regression then yes, I guess you are right
[08:37] <Faulty> Hello guys! I put Karmic Koala on a USB stick and omg how fast it is :D i'm so amazed the speed is incredible :)
[08:37] <ideasman_42> Im also trying to edit the PPD file, but it doesnt like 300x300 resolution
[08:38] <kaddi> hello everyone :)
[08:39] <Faulty> Is the E7300 processor any good?
[08:46] <ideasman_42> AlanBell, vega- wow, very interesting xpdf prints fast!
[08:47] <ideasman_42> seems like the problem was evince?? - crazy
[08:55] <bullgard4> Yesterday I installed Empathy 2.28.0. It worked. Today the Contact List reports: "New Jabber Account; Name in use". What does that mean? I cannot see any contact names in the Contact List.
[09:19] <G_A_C> Hi, can someone tell me a little bit more about the "sandbox" update mode that's offered by do-release-upgrade? I'd like to try Karmic on my laptop and found this option, am I correct in thinking that this would just store the changes between my current jaunty installation and the karmic upgrade, and overlay them onto my filesystem meaning that if anything is broken I can just "roll back" to Jaunty as I have it now? thanks!
[09:29] <gamla_kossan> G_A_C: that sounds hella sweet.
[09:31] <G_A_C> it does if I have it correct
[09:31] <G_A_C> which is why I'm asking, just in case I've misunderstood it, I don't want to trash this jaunty install :)
[09:42] <Guest12345> Is the beta release supposed to come out today? Where can I find it?
[09:55] <amortvigil> hello is the beta ?
[09:56] <rsk> amortvigil: is the beta what?
[09:57] <amortvigil> rsk: the beta is not yet :P
[09:58] <rsk> what
[09:58] <rsk> isn't it
[09:58] <amortvigil> rsk: just as i tell you : The beta is not yet
[09:58] <rsk> this is very confusing
[09:58] <rsk> english is your 54't language?
[09:59] <amortvigil> rsk: hmmm i think its clear english
[09:59] <rsk> it's not
[09:59] <amortvigil> but anyway the beta is not yet published, does that make you understand it?
[10:00] <error404notfound> in karmic, pidgin is replaced with empathy? why? i think pidgin is better.
[10:00] <amortvigil> error404notfound: because pidgin was not the best
[10:00] <error404notfound> amortvigil, hmm, how?
[10:00] <rsk> nope
[10:01] <amortvigil> rsk: do i smell autism??
[10:01] <rsk> i don't know what you smell
[10:01] <amortvigil> rsk: well nevermind
[10:01] <amortvigil> does anyone have a bluetooth mouse workin on karmic?
[10:02] <luca> at what time can we expect to see the beta released^
[10:02] <luca> ?
[10:03] <amortvigil> luca: you better not try asking, people get stunned by the word beta i think
[10:04] <amortvigil> luca: and t realy help you, on the forums i foud the answer: dont ask just wait for announcement
[10:08] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[10:08] <rsk> hei
[10:08] <mirk> hi
[10:08] <amortvigil> hey
[10:09] <luca> amortvigil: thanks, I'll wait then :)
[10:09] <contrast> I'm trying to get wminput working on my media center box and have discovered /dev/input/uinput no longer exists, which wminput requires. Any ideas?
[10:11] <robin0800> luca launchpad  now says its 9hours late
[10:12] <luca> robin0800 seen thanks
[10:12] <luca> let's hope they'll upload it soon then
[10:14] <bullgard> Yesterday I installed Empathy. It worked. Today the Contact List reports: "New Jabber Account; Name in use". What does that mean? I cannot see any contact names in the Contact List.
[10:18] <amortvigil> bullgard: mine will not work either
[10:19] <bullgard> amortvigil: "will not work" is rather ambiguous. What in detail does not work?
[10:20] <amortvigil> it says it has network problems :P
[10:22] <bullgard> amortvigil: "network problems" again is a rather broad term.
[10:27] <amortvigil> bullgard: i know
[10:28] <bullgard> :-)
[10:30] <contrast> So no one knows about the disappearance of /dev/input/uinput in Karmic?
[10:32] <amortvigil> contrast: i only know my wireless mighty mouse is also not workin
[10:33] <contrast> Blah... It seems like every time I upgrade to a new release, I only discover the one show-stopper bug after I get everything else set up and working perfectly.
[10:35] <amortvigil> what is a show-stopper bug?
[10:35] <amortvigil> ubottu: show-stopper
[10:37] <contrast> Umm... Something that stops the show; e.g., a deal-breaker.
[10:37] <kaddi> how come karmic upgrade uninstalls my chosen applications and reinstalls default kde applications? That is rather annoying
[11:15] <sassyn> Hi
[11:15] <rsk> hii
[11:15] <sassyn> Did anyone use xsplash
[11:15] <rsk> sure
[11:15] <sassyn> can u please tell if this is replace usplash?
[11:16] <sassyn> or usplash run and them xsplash
[11:16] <sassyn> I still don't understand it
[11:17] <rsk> xsplash is a userspace application that uses the X interface
[11:17] <rsk> to draw a splash screen at boot.
[11:17] <sassyn> when GRUB run - he call to xsplash? or usplash and the usplash call X - which call xsplash
[11:17] <rsk> Usplash is a userspace application that uses the Linux framebuffer interface
[11:17] <rsk> to draw a splash screen at boot.'
[11:17] <rsk> should explain it for you
[11:17] <rsk> :)
[11:18] <Boohbah> framebuffer vs. xorg
[11:18] <sassyn> I see
[11:19] <sassyn> So if u used  xsplash then X shoudl be run right after grub right?
[11:19] <rsk> no
[11:19] <rsk> how could it load without a kernel or any userspace
[11:19] <Blizzerand> Hows Beta , good or broken
[11:20] <rsk> after grub you need to boot the kernel and suchs
[11:20] <rsk> Blizzerand: Not out yet.
[11:20] <Blizzerand> rsk : Isn't it supposed to be out today
[11:21] <rsk> Yes.
[11:21] <cousteau> "today" = "sometime from 0:00 and 23:59"
[11:21] <floating> when are the images available, how mny hours from now
[11:21] <cousteau> s/and/to/
[11:21] <rsk> floating: no way to tell
[11:21] <floating> what time zone is that cousteau
[11:22] <rsk> bet was supposed to be out 10~hours ago
[11:22] <rsk> beta*
[11:22] <cousteau> Isle of Man's, I guess
[11:22] <rsk> but it will probably be out in a day or two.
[11:23] <rsk> if you really want the beta, just get alpa6in the meanwhile and update
[11:23] <floating> the installer doesnt work for me
[11:23] <rsk> reported a bug?
[11:23] <floating> but i could try the alternative cd of alpha6 tho
[11:23] <Blizzerand__> cousteau : Hours ago I read, from launchpad i believe that it is going to be released with in an hour
[11:23] <floating> well, the installer works I guess, but I get an error during the installation process
[11:23] <rsk> so it will work in beta :)
[11:24] <floating> didn't report a bug
[11:24] <sassyn> So no use anymore fo usplash?
[11:24] <cousteau> Blizzerand__: within an hour from when you read it, or within an hour from now?
[11:24] <rsk> sassyn: you decide
[11:24] <sassyn> of 9.10 will run frist usplash and them xsplash?
[11:25] <sassyn> Can I have then both?
[11:25] <rsk> can you?
[11:25] <cousteau> where should I download it when it's released? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta ?
[11:25] <sassyn> I saw cool animation with xsplash
[11:25] <Blizzerand__> cousteau : Not it says , it was released 10 hours ago lol , https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta
[11:26] <cousteau> "Expected"
[11:26] <Blizzerand__> *now
[11:26] <rsk> Blizzerand: yea it dosen't say it was released 10hours ago
[11:26] <rsk> just that it was expected
[11:26] <sassyn> rsk - ? can I?
[11:26] <rsk> sassyn: ask yourself, can you?
[11:27] <sassyn> yes
[11:27] <sassyn> I think
[11:27] <cousteau> it means that they programmed an event for "today" months ago, and that the system considers "today" was 10 hours ago
[11:27] <rsk> then make up your own mind :)
[11:27] <sassyn> u will run first usplash and omce X is up then move to xsplash
[11:28] <sassyn> rsk: or I'm wrong ?
[11:28] <rsk> that is correct
[11:28] <sassyn> No I get it
[11:29] <sassyn> now
[12:44] <NerveClasp> Hi! does anybody know when the official Karmic releases?
[12:45] <rsk> !karmic
[12:45] <NerveClasp> oh, sorry
[12:46] <NerveClasp> is THIS a talk about Karmik?
[12:47] <rsk> no about Karmic :p
[12:47] <NerveClasp> )))))))))
[12:47] <NerveClasp> oops
[12:47] <NerveClasp> is there any news about official release?
[12:47] <rsk> no
[12:48] <rsk> it will be only news about it if it's delayed or out
[12:49] <NerveClasp> so everything is still on schedule? It's good to hear, but long to wait=)
[12:49] <rsk> beta is delayed
[12:51] <cousteau> not much... they just said they'll release it today
[12:51] <NerveClasp> oh, I have a Q: I can't share my internet lan connection through WiFi anymore (after the latest dist-upgrade)
[12:51] <NerveClasp> hope it'll be fixed
[12:52] <NerveClasp> are there any Gui for changing background in Grub 2?
[12:53] <amortvigil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/BetaAnnouncement
[12:57] <cousteau> "Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta for details." -> but there isn't anything there yet!
[12:57] <amortvigil> hehehe :P
[12:57] <amortvigil> i was sooner:P
[12:59] <cousteau> I've been all the morning refreshing http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/ and there's only an alpha6/ folder
[13:00] <cousteau> (and an empty release/ one)
[13:00] <Pici> !refresh
[13:01] <amortvigil> Pici: before we can upload we need to download
[13:01] <cousteau> oh... sorry
[13:02] <cousteau> ok, I gotta go... brb in 6h or so; I guess it will be uploaded for then
[13:06] <aurolac> what time is beta out at ?
[13:07] <joaopinto> aurolac, when it's out
[13:07] <aurolac> joaopinto, hurry up already ;)
[13:08] <aurolac> anyone used that moblin version for dell minis?
[13:14] <vega-> what's so exciting about the beta release today? don't most people already have it on this channel as they run up to date karmic instances?
[13:21] <AlanBell> vega-: yes, but it is a day for more new people to join in the fun
[13:21] <AlanBell> plus it is a good milestone to do a clean re-install and test the install process
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Been waiting for it just to do a clean reinstall.. :)
[13:31] <vistakiller1> beta is out?
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> due out today
[13:31] <vistakiller1> ok :D
[13:40] <stefg> where is the beta?
[13:40] <puffinman> anyone know when Karmic beta is?
[13:40] <Pici> When its done.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> I just stated  when puffinman
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> in #ubuntu
[13:40] <Pici> Seriously. They need to generate and test iso images.
[13:40] <puffinman> it's not a very good answer
[13:41] <puffinman> the site says oct 1
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> So it says oct 1.. so?
[13:41] <puffinman> can't blame me for asking
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> It will get released when its done. :)
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> we get this constant asking every time  for the new releases. :)
[13:41] <aurolac> wheres the link for the test isos again
[13:41] <stefg> puffinman: they didn't say in which timezone ...
[13:41] <Amaranth> aurolac: a bit late for that
[13:42] <Amaranth> Think "end of 1 Oct in australia"
[13:42] <puffinman> fair enough, maybe they should add some info on the site
[13:42] <aurolac>  you know the final stages ones they do
[13:42] <Amaranth> err, wait, not australia
[13:42] <Amaranth> right on the other side of the date line
[13:42] <Amaranth> the one that gets it last
[13:42] <k1l> puffinman, they will set some info there when its released
[13:42] <jbeitler> Unless they changed how days work it's the Oct 1st until Midnight, so they still have 17 hours in my time zone
[13:42] <puffinman> righto, thanks guys
[13:42] <stefg> Amaranth: i guess should be more like Aleutians
[13:42] <Amaranth> As long as it is 1 Oct somewhere in the world the release is on time
[13:42] <puffinman> I'll just wait *sigh*
[13:43] <Amaranth> (releases are usually late evening UK time)
[13:43] <oldude67> ya usually around noon here, in central states.
[13:44]  * stefg thinks better a late and good beta than a timely bad one
[13:44] <oldude67> stefg, ya as many bugs as they have had in the past i will wait for them to get done as well.
[13:45] <tormod> the beta was frozen already a couple of days ago, so just get the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[13:47] <Amaranth> tormod: ruin all the fun :P
[13:47] <stefg> oldude67: indeed there's so much new stuff in karmic (suppose in preparation for LTS Lucid) that it is unusually late in finalizing big stuff
[13:48] <Amaranth> stefg: yeah, pretty much
[13:48] <Amaranth> shove all the crack in now because LTS is going to be mostly about polishing what we've got (aside from the usual few big new things)
[13:50] <stefg> and after all: the .10 releases were never the real good ones, more like the agenda for the following .04 release. edgy was a mess, gutsy was awful, intrepid actually not so bad, and we'll see how karmic is going
[13:52] <Amaranth> edgy was awesome
[13:53] <stefg> Amaranth: edgy e.g. was the only distro which manged not to work with my DVD-drive out of the bazillions of other kernels out there
[13:55] <tormod> edgy only had 4 months dev time, after the delayed 6.06
[13:55] <Amaranth> it was awesomely cracktastic
[13:56] <Amaranth> I think it was the first release where my sound worked right so I might just be forgetting all the bad stuff
[13:56] <stefg> tormod: that was no accusation, so no excuse needed... it's clearly stated that the .10 releases are more experimental and the .04 more incremental
[13:56] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[13:56] <tormod> stefg: clearly stated where?
[13:56] <vigo> Hi ActionParsnip1
[13:57] <Amaranth> stefg: I don't remember it ever being stated like that
[13:57] <tormod> stefg: only if it's the one before an LTS there might be a pattern
[13:57] <Amaranth> stefg: usually the release after an LTS is more cracktastic but otherwise they're all supposed to be about as good
[13:57] <Amaranth> this time the release before is a bit more bleeding edge too
[13:58] <stefg> tormod: let's say it's common sense amongst old time ubunteros ... i think that saying originates in some breezy announcement made by someone somewhere now long forgotten
[13:58] <vigo> This 9.10 is to be an LTS after official release?
[13:58] <ActionParsnip1> vigo: 10.04 is the next LTS
[13:58] <mac_v> vigo: 10.04
[13:58] <mac_v> ;)
[13:58] <stefg> vigo: no 9.10 is the stairway to a fantastic 10.04
[13:59] <vigo> ActionParsnip1: Thank you
[13:59] <rsk> !LTS
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> !10.04
[13:59] <vigo> and everyone else,,I need Coffee
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> hear it from the man himself if you wish :D
[13:59] <rsk> regular is 18months right?
[13:59] <vigo> I saw that vid/clip
[14:00] <ActionParsnip1> rsk: regular means every <time frame> like a drummer may drum a regular beat
[14:01] <vigo> ratso, lost that link/bookmark..one sec
[14:01] <robin0800> rsk: It looks like 24 mths. to me 2008/04 to 2010/04
[14:02] <rsk> ok.
[14:02] <vigo> Here it is: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[14:02] <Amaranth> Right, every 2 years
[14:04] <pykler> Isn't the beta images supposed to be released today?
[14:05] <ActionParsnip1> !release
[14:05] <pykler> The only live link I found is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/Beta/Kubuntu but it seems to be bogus, no images :(
[14:05] <ActionParsnip1> pykler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[14:05] <vigo> Why does Epiphany start up and show a page that says Welcome to Edbuntu 8.04? I am running an Edbuntu 'like' system, but that just seems or acts like a bug.
[14:05] <pykler> ActionParsnip1: isnt today Oct 1st
[14:06] <ActionParsnip1> pykler: its the beta freeze today, beta is out on 23rd
[14:06] <pykler> oh
[14:06] <ActionParsnip1> pykler: wait a sec
[14:06] <Pici> ActionParsnip1: no, you need to re-read that
[14:06] <ActionParsnip1> pykler: yeah today for beta...
[14:06] <pykler> ok I want it
[14:06] <vigo> 3 days after windows7? hrmmm
[14:06] <pykler> I want it now :)
[14:07] <ActionParsnip1> pykler: install the alpha, you wil upgrade seamlessly to beta
[14:07] <JMFTheVCI> !9.04
[14:07] <JMFTheVCI> !9.10
[14:07] <pykler> I wanna burn a cd, so i wanted to have a clean one
[14:07] <Pici> When the ISOs are done testing and the beta critical bugs are worked out then it will be out.
[14:07] <pykler> i also wanted to test drive it on my main box to see if I should upgrade just yet or wait a few weeks
[14:08] <robin0800> pykler: !LTS
[14:09] <pykler> robin0800: what?
[14:09] <aaron11> Helo, I know there are less people in here but, Does anyone know when the countdown banners are showing up? I REALY cant wait for Karmic Koala to come! :S :S
[14:09] <pykler> LTS is 10.04
[14:09] <robin0800> !LTS
[14:09] <pykler> robin0800: whats ur point
[14:10] <robin0800> pykler: You might want to wait?
[14:10] <pykler> :) im here asking for a beta image to put on my main box, and your telling me to wait for 10.04 :)
[14:10] <Amaranth> !botabuse
[14:10] <Amaranth> :)
[14:11] <Amaranth> aaron11: you want to know when the final release will be?
[14:11] <aaron11> Wait LTS means that Ubuntu will still be making Operating Systems like for example Lucid Lynx is the LTS but will they still be making 10.04 and name it somthing like Easy Elephant
[14:12] <aaron11> Amaranth: yes
[14:12] <Amaranth> aaron11: no
[14:12] <Amaranth> 10.04 is Lucid Lynx which will be an LTS release
[14:12] <Amaranth> it means don't expect a lot of new shiny stuff
[14:12] <aaron11> Amaranth: because i psted one of the banners in www.wiki.ubuntu.com
[14:13] <Amaranth> aaron11: final release of karmic is oct 29
[14:13] <aaron11> yes
[14:13] <ActionParsnip1> Amaranth: i'd rather have fast tan shiny
[14:13] <ActionParsnip1> *than
[14:13] <aaron11> so Mark Shutle will be getting a vacation!
[14:14] <Amaranth> ha
[14:14] <Amaranth> aaron11: We're still going to have a few big features that Canonical works on
[14:14] <Amaranth> Like Software Center 2.0
[14:14] <Amaranth> but most of the work is going to be on fixing bugs
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> are they ditching synaptic for this software centre thing?
[14:15] <aaron11> No you dont get it i meant they will be making ubuntu Lucid Lynx but will they try to make 10.04
[14:16] <robin0800> ActionParsnip1: I think they are trying to get rid of all of it
[14:16] <ActionParsnip1> i mean, we have now got: synaptic, aptitude, gdebi, apt-get and software store. Does this not seem excessive??
[14:17] <mac_v> ActionParsnip1: *almost* all will be consolidated for lucid into  software center
[14:17] <robin0800> ActionParsnip1: Only one system software center for all yes
[14:17] <ActionParsnip1> mac_v: good, i find it a complete joke there are so many in a "consise" OS
[14:18] <mac_v> ;)
[14:18] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip1: software-center is replacing every GUI for dealing with packages except update-manager
[14:18] <aaron11> For example October 29th is the release date for karmic koala and April __ is the release date for lucid lynx  and will they make easy elephant continusly Meaning not stopping imediatly making the new easy elephant right after lucid lynx even tho it will be supported for 3 years
[14:18] <ActionParsnip1> Amaranth: nice
[14:19] <Amaranth> Originally it was going to replace update-manager too but it was decided they are too different
[14:21] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth: so how do you downgrade or selectively upgrade packages. Software Center does not appear to allow that.
[14:21] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: That would be why it isn't replacing them this cycle
[14:21] <Amaranth> software center 2.0 in lucid will
[14:22] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth: are there expected to be these features in later SC releases?
[14:22] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: But update-manager can selectively upgrade and downgrade is not a task a normal user would do
[14:22] <floating> where can I see if beta is released
[14:22] <JMFTheVCI> amaranth: Not all of us are normal users
[14:22] <floating> so I don't need to read log or ask here
[14:24] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: Not all of us need shiny GUIs either
[14:24] <gamla_kossan> hey people
[14:24] <gamla_kossan> I want to do a snapshot of an lv-volume
[14:24] <gamla_kossan> but I get this:
[14:24] <gamla_kossan> root@itchy:/# lvcreate -L10G -s -n /dev/ops/fsbackup snapshot: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel
[14:25] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth: I like my shiny gui.I just like flexibility in it as well; rather than a one-size fits all.
[14:26] <amortvigil> hi
[14:27] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: sudo aptitude install synaptic
[14:27] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[14:29] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: did you see my message?
[14:29] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth: yup, use it  lot. hope that sc has the same or better features
[14:29] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: it won't have all of the features of synaptic
[14:30] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: just the ones commonly used
[14:30] <JMFTheVCI> waiting with baited breath
[14:31] <amortvigil> is the beta already downloadable?
[14:31] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: afaik commonly used means "installing non-GUI packages"
[14:31] <Amaranth> and that's it
[14:32] <joaopinto> sc is still very limited
[14:33] <Amaranth> It's only meant to replace gnome-app-install for this release
[14:34] <joaopinto> and it does it nicely :)
[14:35] <JMFTheVCI> I agree. for what it currently does it does it well.
[14:37] <kulight> !karmic beta
[14:37] <kulight> !karmic
[14:38] <Pici> kulight: when its done.
[14:43] <amortvigil> Pici: lol do you have to much spare time ??
[14:43] <amortvigil> yu have soo much patience
[14:43] <kulight> Pici: no problem just wanted to know if its out yet im in no rush
[14:46] <kaddi> since I upgraded to karmic, amarok is asking to access the kdewallet when started. Why does it need to access my passwords?
[14:47] <vigo> kaddi: Do you have any Jamendo or pay service accounts that also use that?
[14:47] <kaddi> no, I only use kdewallet for my IM-passwords
[14:47] <kaddi> or have so far only used it for that
[14:48] <Ian_> maybe it just wants to be able to acces those passwords if you would have them?
[14:49] <vigo> I was just guessing, maybe it needs certain passwords to do log-ins , like on Freenode there is a pass word that is associated with most all accounts.
[14:49] <kaddi> is there a way to check which passwords will be checked by amarok in kde-wallet?
[14:51] <vigo> I am not really familiar with that package, but I would think that there is such a widget.
[14:53] <kaddi> hmm.. and it seems I lost my sound. It was working yesterday. :/ Do you have any tricks I could try for the sound?
[14:59] <kaddi> my sound ain't working. what should i do?
[15:00] <rsk> get it working
[15:00] <kaddi> how?
[15:00] <kaddi> :p
[15:00] <rsk> how did you get it not-working?
[15:00] <floating> type aplay in console and listen
[15:01] <floating> what happens
[15:01] <rsk> floating: nothing should happen
[15:01] <rsk> unless you specify a file to play
[15:01] <floating> aplaymidi
[15:01] <floating> what's the where udont specify
[15:01] <joaopinto> kaddi, I had a strange problem which was fixed by purgind and reinstalling pulseaudio
[15:01] <rsk> :)?
[15:01] <kaddi> I muted my pc before shutting it down. Up on rebooting and unmuting it, sound didn't come back
[15:02] <kaddi> floating: aplay nothing happens, aplaymidi it says: Please specify at least one port with --port.
[15:02] <floating> try specify a file if u have
[15:03] <floating> i dont know, u should listen the other guys, i just type smth while they don't give the better instruction
[15:03] <floating> did u unmute with alsamixer
[15:03] <kaddi> joaopinto: yeah I think I read that yesterday. Is the pulseaudio pacakge simply called pulseaudio?
[15:04] <kaddi> floating: what kind of file? I muted and unmuted it with hotkeys. according to alsamixer sound is unmuted though.
[15:05] <floating> i donno, mp3 if u have codecs, oh well
[15:06] <floating> maybe u r now using another user after the reboot, and ur current user is not in the group audio
[15:06] <kaddi> well it says, that my mp3 is not a default MIDI file
[15:06] <floating> aplay file.mp3
[15:06] <joaopinto> kaddi, sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio; sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[15:06] <joaopinto> there is no need to get mp3 in the question, just aplay on a wav file
[15:06] <joaopinto> locate .wav
[15:07] <gnubie> kaddi,  don't forget to add your user to the 2 pulseaudio groups
[15:08] <kaddi> for the wav it says invalid fileformat...
[15:08] <kaddi> :p
[15:09] <joaopinto> aplay /usr/share/sounds/purple/alert.wav
[15:09] <amortvigil> help alpha six is not able to dowload :p
[15:09] <kaddi> no sound
[15:10] <floating> wait some hours and download d beta
[15:10] <floating> maybe they have taken off the old version (alpha6) already
[15:10] <kaddi> joaopinto: and sorry I missed the fact that it was supposed to be aplay and not aplaymidi earlier on. Which is why the wav was an invalid format
[15:11] <joaopinto> hum, kaddi now that I have tested it, I have lost sound *AGAIN*
[15:11] <user___> Has anyone else experienced problems installing Ubuntu Netbook Remix Alpha 6 from USB drive? I've tried using Unetbootin and Grub4dos, but I get stuck with stdin errors
[15:12] <user___> Kubuntu and Kubuntu Netbook Remix both install just fine, but for some reason UNR doesn't
[15:12] <floating> if one wants to reinstall something, is that purge just another solution to doing apt-get remove ?
[15:12] <kaddi> purge removes the program as well as the settings, while remove keeps the settings, afaik
[15:13] <kaddi> gnubie the 2 usergroups I should be listed in are pulse and pulse-access? because I seem to not be in those
[15:13] <floating> okaey
[15:15] <joaopinto> kaddi, you checked alsamixer right ?
[15:16] <kaddi> yeag
[15:17] <joaopinto> kaddi, have you installed flash player before that reboot ?
[15:17] <vigo> !purge
[15:17] <vigo> whoops
[15:18] <kaddi> no, I've been running jaunty before I upgraded, so everything I need was already installed
[15:18] <kaddi> (except wicd, which got, once again, removed during the upgrade)
[15:19] <kaddi> hmm, funny sound is back. I muted and unmuted a couple of times (not that I hadn't tried this before), but for now sound is working
[15:19] <vigo> Yes, you are correct kaddi, the purge without switches is just that, it puges the package, not the settings, but kinda depends on the package, or not.
[15:20] <floating> that is a good trick, to do and undo more than once. FOr example if you want change some hotkey settings in Terminal program for XFCE, u have to tag and untag few times them to take effect. No one has yet fixed this bug grrh
[15:21] <joaopinto> vigo, it purges the settings
[15:21] <joaopinto> that's is the difference between purge and remove
[15:21] <kaddi> never had any problem with sound before, so I had no clue how to attack this. But now it's working again :D
[15:22] <joaopinto> system wide settings, /etc, not user settings
[15:23] <vigo> joaopinto: Thank you.
[15:24] <vigo> kaddi: Make a backup now while it is working, like a reference thing.
[15:24] <kaddi> yeah... thanks for reminding me :)
[15:24] <kaddi> is there a simple way to backup all settings with a simple command?
[15:25] <vigo> !backup
[15:26] <vigo> kaddi: I like the SB or Simple Backup package.
[15:27] <vigo> But there are choices, and I am certain there are better ways of doing anything.
[15:28] <kaddi> I backup my data by hand, I really only need to backup my ubuntu settings :p
[15:30] <vigo> kaddi: That SB thing has a Backup Configuration and Restore from Synaptic, is great utility for home users.
[15:30] <kaddi> I only have one harddisk here and no working cd-reader/burner, so I upload important data to my workplay with scp
[15:31] <kaddi> backing up settings really only is in case of corrupted settings and not for harddisk failure or similar. :)
[15:31] <vigo> kaddi: Yes, then read the ubottu thing, it covers rsync and network backups.
[15:32] <kaddi> is simplebackup a gnome application, it looks like one :p
[15:33] <vigo> kaddi: I think it may be, I am on Karmic Edbuntu and it works fine.
[15:36] <kaddi> i must say I really like karmic though. :) Except for little glitches it's been working great here :)
[15:36] <wastrel> i have koala
[15:36] <wastrel> it's going ok
[15:37] <Martyn> Did we miss something for the beta-1 build window?
[15:40] <vigo> Mine says Karmic, was there an update today?
[15:40] <XDevHald> Justfor gnome-shell
[15:40] <vigo> Thank you,
[15:40] <kaddi> !schedule
[15:40] <XDevHald> Thank you kaddi. Was about to do that.
[15:41] <kaddi> hehe, just wanted to make sure beta is still scheduled for today. :)
[15:41] <XDevHald> ;-)
[15:44] <jovan_> hey guys, where can i find the karmic beta iso? thanks
[15:44] <rsk> jovan_: not out yet
[15:45] <jovan_> oh, ok :(
[15:45] <stefg> some op please change the topic to mention that the beta is still in the oven
[15:47] <Martyn> Yep, that would be a good idea
[15:48]  * genii nudges Pici about topic
[15:49]  * Pici nudges chanserv
[15:53] <luca> hi everyone
[15:53] <kaddi> hi :)
[15:53] <luca> some news regarding beta release?
[15:53] <luca> it's quite late :)
[15:53] <stefg> hi luca ... err the beat isn't out yet
[15:53] <luca> at least in the Old Continent at least
[15:53] <stefg> hi luca ... err the beta isn't out yet
[15:54] <luca> stefg .. yeah I know. I just wondered if some news had trickled down here in the channel
[15:55] <stefg> luca: my guess is we have to wait for the nightly build job...  nightly in terms of London/UTC time
[15:56] <luca> might as well say "tomorrow" then :(
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo get the beta done!
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:16] <rsk> sudo: get: command not found
[16:16] <rsk> =(
[16:16] <kaddi> awww
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> sudo wap dittty ditty dooo
[16:18] <darthanubis> I'm always excited about new Ubuntu releases. It is like Christmas twice a year!
[16:19] <darthanubis> well more than that
[16:19] <darthanubis> I get excited about aplha and beta releases:)
[16:19] <kaddi> not to forget the kde releases :p
[16:19] <darthanubis> I don't like that kubuntu is not as functional out the box as ubuntu
[16:20] <darthanubis> I have just used KDE4.3 for two months and loved it
[16:20] <kaddi> what is not functional in kubuntu out of the box?
[16:20] <elad> What are the benefits of upgrading to 9.10?
[16:20] <darthanubis> I've grown found of Pulseaudio
[16:20] <Ian_> elad: 0.06
[16:20] <darthanubis> the PA in Kubuntu 9.10 was so broken I was unable to fix it
[16:20] <genii> elad: Excitement when it crashes
[16:21] <kaddi> lol
[16:21] <darthanubis> I use Firefox. I had to install totem-plugins for my quicktime codecs to play
[16:22] <kaddi> hmm..haven't had any problems with FF so far and pulseaudio is working as well right now. But I don't use quicktime
[16:22] <darthanubis> by the time I was done, I had basically installed ubuntu-desktop just to have full functionality. I'm exaggerating a lil' but not by much. If i'm going to pull down so many gtk apps, might as well stick to ubuntu proper
[16:23] <darthanubis> if I want to use KDe, I'll just install it in Ubuntu, and be done with it
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> anyone notice that the icons on the desktop use a real WIDE spaceing when you login.. but if you do 'clean up by name' they get much closer/compact/organized?
[16:23] <rsk> elad: none some or worse
[16:23] <darthanubis> Kubuntu pre 9.10 is just not as polished imho. I see why people rate it as the worst of the KDE distros
[16:24] <kaddi> ubuntu 9.04 was a PITA for me and that was independent of gnome/kde
[16:24] <darthanubis> kaddi, I could not play videos on miro's webpage(embedded).
[16:24] <darthanubis> 9.04 was rock soild beast for me
[16:24] <kaddi> let me guess: you don't have intel graphics card :p
[16:25] <darthanubis> I never have issues after final release of ANY ubuntu release
[16:25] <darthanubis> kaddi, How did you know?
[16:25] <darthanubis> :)
[16:25] <kaddi> hehe
[16:25] <darthanubis> video[nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller]
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hey all.....
[16:26] <kaddi> hi :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> so wheres the party?
[16:26] <rsk> in my mouth
[16:26] <shadeslayer> for the beta release?
[16:26] <darthanubis> right here
[16:26] <rsk> everybody can cum
[16:26] <rsk> come
[16:26] <rsk> i mean
[16:26] <rsk> :F
[16:26] <darthanubis> wow
[16:27] <kaddi> we're doing a countdown :D just haven't decided where to start yet :p
[16:27] <shadeslayer> kaddi: how about from 9hours 32 mins and 43 secs
[16:27] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:27] <rsk> kaddi: try 12 hours 43minutes and 12 seconds
[16:27] <kaddi> why not :p
[16:28] <kaddi> don't think I'm going to be awake that long :p
[16:28] <shadeslayer> we can go in the negatives if its not released by then
[16:28] <kaddi> hehehe
[16:28] <kaddi> maybe we should just start counting up instead of down. :p no need for negatives then ;)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> then itll be a count'up' not a count'down'
[16:30] <kaddi> hmm
[16:30] <kaddi> true
[16:33] <genii> That remonds me of the ubuntu-release-party where the bot adds time to the release hour every time someone enquires about it
[16:33] <genii> *reminds
[16:34] <shadeslayer> genii: sad that it had to kicked out when the actual release happened :P
[16:36] <genii> Yup
[16:36] <kaddi> hehe
[16:37] <Brian___> isnt the beta supose to come out today?
[16:37] <Pici> /topic
[16:39] <amortvigil> Brian___:  what pici means to say is that the topic says that the beta is not out yet, he says that to save bandwidth of ubuntu servers
[16:39] <Pici> I say that because its true.
[16:40] <Brian___> october first was going to be the beta realese rite
[16:40] <Pici> Brian___: There is no set *time* for the release today.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Brian___: yep
[16:41] <amortvigil> Brian___: yes the press message is already sent out
[16:41] <amortvigil> they are now taking care of the isos
[16:41] <Brian___> cool now time to wait
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Brian___: 1 October : 0000 to 2400 :)
[16:41] <Brian___> ya
[16:41] <JanC> and in some unspecified timezone  ;)
[16:41] <shadeslayer> theyre teasing us ;)
[16:41] <Pici> amortvigil: No message about the release is out yet.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> JanC: yeah...
[16:42] <luca> amortvigil: where have you seen this prep message?
[16:42] <amortvigil> JanC: do you still have the message i sent in ubuntu-nl with the beta release press message?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> oh btw any Kubuntu users here?
[16:44] <Brian___> i have  kde installed with gnome
[16:45] <kaddi> \o
[16:45] <amortvigil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/BetaAnnouncement
[16:45] <JanC> amortvigil: I have, but that's a draft (I saw somebody just edited it ;) )
[16:45] <amortvigil> hehehe :P
[16:46] <shadeslayer> kaddi: i hear about "Boot improvements" in alpha 6,what are these?
[16:46] <Pici> Its not official until the mailing list emails go out.
[16:46] <JanC> shadeslayer: that you can login 6-7 seconds after grub?
[16:46] <kaddi> quicker boot I guess. and they included something in the kernel... already forgot what it was.
[16:47] <kaddi> left me with a black screen on my old pc :p
[16:47] <shadeslayer> and i thought xsplash was ported to Kubuntu
[16:47] <JanC> kaddi: also that they start gdm much earlier
[16:47] <JanC> so you can login while services are still starting in the background
[16:48] <shadeslayer> JanC: what if you login and all the services havent been started 0.0 ( like in windows )
[16:48] <jbeitler> anyone having an issue with natulius maxing out their processor for no apparent reason?
[16:49] <JanC> shadeslayer: then the same happens as in Windows, I suppose
[16:49] <shadeslayer> everything freezes up :(
[16:50] <kaddi> for me I noticed that login is much quicker then before, but loading all personal settings takes much longer
[16:50] <JanC> well, maybe not that bad, and also depends on what services etc.
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hehe.... if they release the beta in the next 30 mins ill be in a fix :P
[16:54] <jbeitler> Ok I guess not
[16:54] <shadeslayer> jbeitler: ?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> oh the nautilus issue
[16:54] <jbeitler> yeah that one
[16:55] <shadeslayer> no idea
[16:55] <jbeitler> Yeah I booted up this morning and its just maxing out at 100%
[16:56] <jbeitler> haven't installed anything haven't changed anything
[16:56] <jbeitler> just seems odd
[16:56] <kaddi> maybe a reboot will fix it? :P
[16:56] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:56] <jbeitler> tried that kaddi even a shutdown when reboot didn't work
[16:56] <kaddi> hehe
[16:56] <jbeitler> samething
[16:57] <ikt> how long till beta?
[16:58]  * Dr_Willis screams !!!!
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:58] <CarlFK> usb drive,   sudo mkfs /dev/sdb1, unplug, plug, mount: dev/sdb1 on /media/6deac633-3fc3-41bc-9033-a5eccfd6d253 type ext2
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> 'every time someone asks.. they delay it by another 30 min'
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ikt: /topic
[16:58] <jbeitler> is there anyway we can change the topic to The Beta will be here when it gets here.. at least until its here?
[16:59] <CarlFK> which means the window that opens up is titled "deac633-3fc3-41bc-9033-a5eccfd6d253"
[16:59] <shadeslayer> jbeitler: check out the topic
[16:59] <kaddi> ^^
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:59] <hifi> does it really matter when the beta images are out if you follow karmic already
[16:59] <jbeitler> shadeslayer: mines not updated
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> hifi:  i think there may be a lot of updates that are not on the servers yet.. ive not seen hardly any updates in the last 2 days
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> Or else.. things are getting fixed. :)
[17:00]  * shadeslayer hopes for the latter
 ikt: /topic <- the beta is not out yet
[17:01] <ikt> this does not help with the issue at hand :P
[17:01] <CarlFK> this isn't a bug, but pretty goofy.  guessing an unintended side effect of some other idea. I want to bug something.  what package?
[17:01]  * Dr_Willis missed an actual issue...
[17:01] <ikt> 1:28
[17:01] <ikt> or ~5 minutes ago
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ikt: the beta is not released at a particular time or adhering to a time zone
[17:02] <ikt> this is unfortunate
[17:02] <shadeslayer> its a free bird...
[17:02] <ikt> would appreciate a javascript countdown :P
[17:03]  * Dr_Willis writes one that says 'it will be done when its done' over and over and over..
[17:03] <CarlFK> lol
[17:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:03]  * kaddi adds a random countdown to that :p
[17:03] <CarlFK> when will the script be done?>
[17:03] <shadeslayer> CarlFK: after infinity recursions
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> 10 print 'it will be done when its done'
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> 20 goto 10
[17:04] <shadeslayer> CarlFK: itll be valid for all the new releases of *buntu
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> load *,8,1
[17:04] <CarlFK> when will this intellectually stimulating conversation be done?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> :yawn:
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> !8ball
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:05] <shadeslayer> btw suse released 11.2 milestone 8
[17:06] <shadeslayer> and that too today :P
[17:06]  * Dr_Willis woders why they decided touse the term 'milestone'
[17:06] <ikt> milestone sounds epic
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> that sounds much less risky then alpha or beta.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> How about a KilometerStone!
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: basically because these CD's represent that a very problematic bug was solved
[17:07] <shadeslayer> like a milestone achieved :P
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> 'glorious achivement for the  peoples!'
[17:07] <CarlFK> "To file a bug against a specific package use a url similar to the following, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect, where PACKAGENAME is the name of the source package about which you want to file the bug."  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:07] <CarlFK> who is actually going to do that?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hehe.... ubuntu alpha CD's were termed as milestone cd's too
[17:08] <shadeslayer> CarlFK: many people actually.... me for instance
[17:08] <CarlFK> shadeslayer: I'm impressed.
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> I tend to jsut confirm other bugs
[17:09] <shadeslayer> CarlFK: of course i just removed ubuntu and installed arch and now moving to Suse :P
[17:10] <CarlFK> shadeslayer: ok, I am not impressed.  you're just nutz. :)
[17:10] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[17:10] <shadeslayer> CarlFK: i wanted to try arch,got let down,so now im fascinated by suse :P
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> arch = letdown ;) yes...
[17:12] <xguru> will beta have a cd?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> xguru: why not
[17:12] <xguru> i'll take that as a yes :)
[17:12] <Martyn> Most probably.   I'm looking at launchpad though, and we have a LOT of critical bugs to closedown
[17:12] <Martyn> beta can't come out until they are
[17:13] <shadeslayer> of course if the beta comes out before my nvidia driver for windows gets downloaded ill go back to kubuntu
[17:13] <Dr_Willis> Nothing like a 200mb driver download eh?
[17:13] <Martyn> that's beyond idiotic, isn't it...
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: yeah.... on a 128kbps line
[17:14] <user___> I haven't even been able to install Alpha 6 of Ubuntu Desktop or Ubuntu Netbook Remix for some reason. Kubuntu and Netbook Kubuntu both install fine
[17:14] <user___> This is becouse I don't have a CD-drive on my Netbook and for some reason Ubuntu wont install from my USB-stick
[17:15] <xguru> shadeslayer: i herd that suse's kde environment kicks kubuntu's ass.  what do you think?
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Ive had some issues with some machine/stick combos.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> This cheap 'panda bear usb flash drive' i have seems to work the best.. oddly. :)
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> and its so cute
[17:15] <shadeslayer> user___: 1)check MD5sum on downloaded image 2)check md5sum on USB disk
[17:16] <shadeslayer> xguru: havent tried it out.. yet
[17:16] <xguru> let me know :)
[17:16] <shadeslayer> xguru: and yes thats what i hear on almost all the forums
[17:16] <user___> I've installed Kubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 9.10 Kubuntu Netbook, Xubuntu 9.04, Windows XP, Arch, Ubuntu 9.04, Ubuntu 9.04 Netbook Remix all from my USB stick using the same methor, but Ubuntu 9.10 just doesn't like me
[17:16] <shadeslayer> xguru: Arch linux sucks though
[17:16] <stefg> user___: i found the UNR desktop installer in the last daily builds not working, too (crashes with some python error). so i did a net-install and chose to install the UNR metapackage
[17:17] <xguru> yea i saw that.  I havent tried it and now i have a good reason not to.
[17:17] <user___> My problem is with the installer not finding my the installer. It starts loading kernel but after a while it just starts giving me "stdin error 0" and says it cant find live environment.
[17:18] <user___> I wonder what that first sentence is supposed to say...
[17:19] <stefg> user___: that seems more like a kernel problem or a with the squashfs file on the USB stick
[17:19] <user___> Oh, and this happens around the same time kernel mounts my hard drives and at the same time mounts my USB-stick. It seems that after the live-cd starts loading it forgets where the installation files are and it throws me to initramfs
[17:19] <ni1s> xguru, only kde4 env. that havnt sucked so far is gentoo, imho
[17:20] <RobLoach> "Beta" from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule returns a 404.
[17:20] <stefg> user___: we can agree on that the UNR desktop installer isn't working atm, so try a netinstall and put the ZNR metapackage on top (which still has iT#s own problems)
[17:21] <stefg> UNR metapackage that is
[17:21] <xguru> gentoo, i have herd alot about it, but i haven't used it yet.  I have herd its alot different from ubuntu/debian/mandriva/suse
[17:21] <user___> I could propably get it to work using some alternative way. The thing is I'm using Grub4dos with NTFS on my USB-stick. This is becouse I use it for many things, like installing windows XP
[17:21] <ni1s> RobLoach, 404? Works for Me™
[17:21] <xguru> RobLoach: works here as well
[17:22] <ni1s> xguru, yeah
[17:22] <user___> And I don't remember why, but I have never been able to install Windows XP from an USB stick with FAT on it.. Propably. There HAS TO be a reason why it's formatted as NTFS..
[17:22] <RobLoach> xguru: ni1s: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta .
[17:22] <RobLoach> "Beta" in the Notes column of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule .
[17:22] <stefg> user___: NTFS is a no-go for the installer
[17:22] <Pici> RobLoach: The beta isn't out.
[17:23] <RobLoach> Pici: Nope, I want it out though ;-) .....  Maybe unlink it? Meh.
[17:23] <oldude67> whats the url for the pen drive install?
[17:23] <user___> stefg: It works with Ubuntu 9.04, UNR 9.04, Kubuntu 9.04, Kubuntu 9.10, Kubuntu Netbook 9.10, Xubuntu 9.04, but for some reason not Ubuntu/Xubuntu 9.10
[17:23] <ni1s> RobLoach, well, that's not that suprising, it isnt the 23 of october yet
[17:23] <ni1s> RobLoach, the alpha(the current stage of karmic) work thou
[17:23] <Pici> ni1s: re-read the chart. Thats the 23 week of development
[17:24] <RobLoach> oldude67: Unetbootin can install any ISO on a thumb drive.
[17:24] <ni1s> Pici, my bad, sorry RobLoach
[17:24] <stefg> user___: since ntfs is no native linux format the support for it not yet be working in the alpha kernels
[17:25] <stefg> user___: anyway: no love lost in doing a netinstall. even if you get the live image working the installer will crash during the install to internal disk
[17:26] <user___> stefg: I'll give that a try
[17:26] <shadeslayer> netsplit
[17:27] <oldude67> will that let me boot it like a live cd?
[17:34] <aurolac> beta due out soon?
[17:34] <commander_> isn't 9.10 beta release today?
[17:34] <eagles0513875> should be out today aurolac
[17:34] <eagles0513875> ya commander_
[17:34] <kaddi> looks like that memoryleak in update-notifier also finally got fixed with karmic :)
[17:35] <eagles0513875> hey kaddi long time no c
[17:35]  * Jaymac slaps aurolac  and commander_ with the naughty stick
[17:35] <eagles0513875> no see*
[17:35] <kaddi> been on vacation :)
[17:35] <aurolac> Jaymac, hit me again ;)
[17:35] <commander_> well how come it still saya ALPHA?
[17:35] <commander_> WHEN I GO to alt+f2
[17:35] <Jaymac> commander_, read the last line of the topic :)
[17:36] <commander_> ?
[17:36] <xguru> cause the beta hasn't came out yet.....
[17:36] <xguru> its caught in the outbox....i dunno :)
[17:37]  * stefg arms ubotto to automatically kick everyone out pf the channel who uses the word beta in his first two lines :-)
[17:37] <kaddi> things are getting serious :o
[17:38] <xguru> whoever owns the bot needs to add a *notice* line that states it apon entry
[17:38] <dominic__> Hello
[17:39] <dominic__> How do you get the beta version of 9.10?
[17:39] <kaddi> hello :)
[17:39] <kaddi> don't ask :p
[17:39] <xguru> lol, yea today sometime :)
[17:39] <kaddi> by waiting ;)
[17:39] <dominic__> Ohhh
[17:39] <dominic__> ok
[17:40] <dominic__> My friend said he was updating to it
[17:40] <Tronic> Why do people care about the beta?
[17:40] <Tronic> Isn't it simply a version tag and a ISO image release?
[17:40] <bordi> to testing the  iso
[17:40] <stefg> ... dominic would have been the first victim of ubottus roundhouse kick policy
[17:40] <Tronic> I would think that most people used apt-get instead of ISOs...
[17:41] <commander_> jaymac what topic?
[17:41] <Jaymac> the topic of this chatroom
[17:41] <amortvigil> Tronic: because a beta asumes more stability
[17:41] <dominic__> I use the update manager
[17:41] <Jaymac> commander_, type: /topic
[17:41] <Jaymac> :)
[17:41] <kaddi> I'm suddenly glad I upgraded yesterday and decided not to wait for the beta. :p I ain't to good at waiting ;)
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Tronic: also because alot of bugs on launchpad are still open
[17:42] <Raydiation> wheres my beta xD
[17:42] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, how is that related to the beta :) ?
[17:43] <dominic__> kaddi: same
[17:43] <dominic__> lol
[17:43] <eagles0513875> alpha 6 has been good to me at least
[17:43] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: well there are certain bugs which are supposed to be closed before a beta release
[17:44] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, right, but it will still be released with a lot of bugs open :)
[17:44] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: yes,but they are not the top priority bugs
[17:44] <xguru> "critical bugs" should be all closed or near closed before release
[17:44] <robin0800> Every time someone says BETA ......it is delayed by another 10 minuets
[17:45] <Raydiation> PETA!
[17:45] <shadeslayer> robin0800: its never gonna be released then :P
[17:45] <rsk> robin0800: gg you delayed it 10minutes..
[17:45] <kaddi> but we got improvements.. :D it used to be 30min, now it's only delayed by 10minutes :p
[17:46] <fale> hi
[17:46] <kaddi> hi :)
[17:46] <fale> any news about the b1? I haven't seen it on the repos yet
[17:46] <xguru> fale: hi, and beta is due out later today at some point.  There isn't a specific time
[17:46] <shadeslayer> fale: /topic
[17:46] <robin0800> kaddi: Whant it to come out before the end of the day here!
[17:47] <amortvigil> insufficient argumensts for command
[17:47] <fale> shadeslayer: I know that was to today.. but I dind't know the hour thing ;)
[17:47] <fale> thankyou xguru
[17:47] <shadeslayer> fale: hehe....
[17:47] <BluesKaj> robin0800, I'm using the main repos server ..nothing yet
[17:47] <shadeslayer> fale: there is no specific time for ANY of the releases ;)
[17:48]  * xguru goes to eat and do some research papers :)
[17:48] <xguru> have fun everyone
[17:48] <kaddi> you too
[17:48] <fale> shadeslayer: didn't knew that (is true that until a few time ago I was at school till dinner than I camed home and was released ;))
[17:48] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:49] <amortvigil> Pici: how much chance that the current daily image is the right beta?
[17:53] <floating> when beta is released will the first thing be to update the topic here so it's easy to be on teh
[17:54] <floating> :*
[17:55] <bordi> hmm.. ubuntustats.com is still off
[17:55] <eagles0513875> floating: most likely but if ur already on alpha 6 just run the update and upgrade commandds from commandline
[17:55] <commander_> ok this don't make no sense ...why post online and the world tht ubuntu 9.10 beta will be release on 10/1/2009?and u can't even get it..
[17:56] <commander_> and Jaymac yes i did read the topic
[17:56] <orangey> i just upgraded to karmic
[17:56] <orangey> may I say... WOW
[17:56] <kaddi> :)
[17:56] <orangey> the pace of ubuntu development is absolutely incredible.
[17:56] <shadeslayer> commander_: because its still 1 Oct here.... for another 1.5 hrs
[17:56] <orangey> I switched to Hoary from Mandrake / Gentoo, and it's really been amazing.
[17:57] <dominic__> So every time you say *the B word* Ubuntu takes another 10 minutes?
[17:57] <commander_> where is here..i'm in Miami ,florida
[17:57] <dominic__> Bugar.
[17:57] <dominic__> :D
[17:57] <joaopinto> commander_, is still 10/1/2009 in my part of the world
[17:57] <commander_> i repeat where is here..i'm in the US
[17:58] <Jaymac> I assume the timing is based on UTC... in which case it is still 1/10/09 for another 5 hours
[17:58] <amortvigil> im in the netherlands 19:00
[17:58] <Jaymac> oops, 7 hours :)
[17:58] <bordi> Switzerlan 7PM
[17:58] <JanC> there is no timezone specified, so they can chose which one to use
[17:58] <JanC> choose
[17:58] <orangey> alright. clearly I should go and gush elsewhere
[17:59] <orangey> hope y'all are as satisfied by KK as I am
[17:59] <wastrel> i have koala
[17:59] <bordi> in your garden?
[17:59] <orangey> wastrel: you can't possibly. apparently it has something to do with time zones
[17:59] <commander_> I'M IN THE eastern time zone i.e. NewYork like but i'm in FL
[17:59] <Frickelpit> wastrel: go to the Hospital :)
[17:59] <eagles0513875> guys if you really wanna get on karmic
[17:59] <Jaymac> commander_, we know.. what is your point? :)
[17:59] <wastrel> ?
[18:00] <eagles0513875> download alpha 6 cuz once its released u will have the same updates and everything as it will have
[18:00] <Jaymac> anyone running the alpha will already have the beta
[18:00] <zicada> download daily
[18:00] <amortvigil> eagles0513875: no you wont
[18:00] <commander_> eagle are you sure?
[18:00] <JanC> eh, better download the last daily, that will give you exactly the same as beta  ;)
[18:00] <zicada> yup
[18:00] <amortvigil> lol :P
[18:00] <wastrel> i don't understand what this timezone talk is about
[18:00] <eagles0513875> amortvigil: ya you do
[18:00] <wastrel> im in eastern
[18:00] <Jaymac> unless they delay the rolling of the ISOs for some showstopper bugs
[18:00] <eagles0513875> im in central europe
[18:00] <amortvigil> flame ware :P
[18:00]  * shadeslayer checks inbox for announcement
[18:01] <eagles0513875> Jaymac: i havent seen any in alpha 6 since ive been on it
[18:01] <shadeslayer> nothin...
[18:01] <bordi> eagles0513875: me too
[18:01] <Jaymac> nor have I
[18:01] <eagles0513875> time zone stuff is OT for the channel
[18:01] <commander_> so can i download the alpha6 today til beta get on board or what?
[18:01] <drs305> Or the daily build, which will be as close to the Beta as you can download.
[18:01] <Jaymac> commander_, you can download the latest daily build
[18:01] <commander_> which is?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> commander_: download alpha 6 / the daily build and update to the beta
[18:01] <Jaymac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20090929.2/
[18:01] <shadeslayer> !daily | commander_
[18:02] <commander_> i can do tht thru update manager right?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> commander_: yep
[18:02] <commander_> thanks shadeslayer
[18:02] <shadeslayer> update-manager -d : ithink
[18:03] <commander_> tht what i got and it stll says ALPHA release
[18:03] <mbeierl1> ok, so I just did aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade and there are no new updates since yesterday?
[18:03] <bordi> now
[18:03] <shadeslayer> commander_: oh!! it will say alpha until the beta is released
[18:04] <roffe> The beta hasn't been released yet, right?
[18:04] <commander_> it supposed to be today right?
[18:04] <shadeslayer> roffe: you just delayed it by 10 mins
[18:04] <commander_> cuz the last time it crashed my system shade
[18:04] <Nattgew> commander_: yes, today
[18:04] <eagles0513875> commander_: ya u can download alph6 and when its released update your machine
[18:04] <commander_> i had to reinstall it all back
[18:05] <roffe> I'm so ridiculously eager to get it :D
[18:05] <mbeierl1> anyone know why ubuntu-desktop is being held back?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> mbeierl1: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:06] <commander_> it's on a notebook shade
[18:06] <mbeierl1> shadeslayer: even though I'm already on the alpha?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> mbeierl1: yep
[18:07] <mbeierl1> shadeslayer: and why apt-get vs. aptitude?
[18:07] <mbeierl1> shadeslayer: (thanks btw)
[18:07] <Martyn> You can use either one
[18:07] <shadeslayer> mbeierl1: apt-get is simply an extension of aptitude
[18:07] <shadeslayer> no major difference... see the  man page for the extra details though
[18:08] <mbeierl1> shadeslayer: ok.  I tend to favour aptitude as it seems to honour pinned packages from synaptic (I have to stick with svn 1.4 at work) where apt-get seems to upgrade the pinned packages
[18:08] <mbeierl1> sorry - forced version
[18:08] <commander_> shade it already being done ..crossing my fingers..i 'm just a ubuntu linux nut sorry bout the aggravation guys just anxious to get it
[18:08]  * eagles0513875 feels like this is release day the way everyone is reacting :P
[18:09] <shadeslayer> commander_: hehe.... were all in the same boat
[18:09] <mozicodo> What? Beta != release?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> mozicodo: nope
[18:09] <mbeierl1> and here I thought alpha = release :)
[18:09] <shadeslayer> add another 10 mins
[18:09] <eagles0513875> mozicodo: the way everyone is reacting in here its like its a release day
[18:10] <ubuntu0ath1> can't wait for the cd
[18:10] <eagles0513875> what cd
[18:11] <ubuntu0ath1>  beta cd
[18:11] <eagles0513875> i have a hunch what we waiting for is the iso to get packaged and certain things to finish getting built
[18:11] <joaopinto> uh, 316 users on a release day ? No way, this does not look a release day :)
[18:11] <Nattgew> it would be cool if there was some play by play...
[18:12] <ubuntu0ath1> Nothing is being built now ,according to launchpad
[18:12] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, is very unlikely that the iso is changed today, unless there is a severe bug
[18:12] <joaopinto> today is mirror distribution
[18:12] <commander_> so once it downloaded shade what next?
[18:13] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: meaning what
[18:13] <roffe> the boring thing with using the alphas and beta is that you don't get that big of a surprise when they release the sharp version
[18:13] <shadeslayer> commander_: just burn it to a CD or USB and install
[18:13] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, -1 release days are not usually for changes
[18:14] <commander_> ok neither one i don't have
[18:14] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: what happens to any programs for instance that got updated version wise since alpha 6 and now
[18:15] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, they went into the iso until yesterday
[18:15] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[18:15] <shadeslayer> commander_: you already have a ubuntu install right?
[18:15] <commander_> i got 9.04
[18:16] <joaopinto> commander_, update-manger -d will get you into the beta, be warned, is still beta
[18:16] <shadeslayer> commander_: ok then download a upgrade CD instead of a live CD
[18:16] <shadeslayer> or do what joaopinto
[18:16] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, is there an upgrade cd :) ?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: yep
[18:16] <shadeslayer> !alternate
[18:17] <commander_> joaopinto and shade i'm already dl 9.10 as we speak ...
[18:17] <eagles0513875> only updates to xsplash artwork and xsplash today O_O
[18:17] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: you just mount it via a command and run the executable inside
[18:17] <joaopinto> alternate is not an upgrade cd, is a cd with an alternate installer that can be used to upgrade because it provides the packages in a repository format
[18:18] <Nattgew> joaopinto, why can't the desktop cd do that?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: ive mounted a alternate CD and it does have a upgrade shell script
[18:18] <joaopinto> it can, that is why I am asking why is shadeslayer recommending the alternate
[18:18] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: ?
[18:18] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, having an upgrade.sh doesn't make a CD am upgrade CD :)
[18:19] <shadeslayer> joaopinto: why not?
[18:19] <joaopinto> because an upgrade cd, is something intentonally built to upgrade something, unlike a regular CD which can be used to upgrade a system
[18:19] <joaopinto> the desktop cd is also an upgrade cd
[18:20] <shadeslayer> gtg
[18:20] <joaopinto> on you definition for upgrade cd :P
[18:20] <dv-> how do I get flash to work? I copied libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3/plugins, but it's still not working
[18:20] <shadeslayer> bye all.....
[18:20] <shadeslayer> !flash | dv-
[18:20] <joaopinto> dv-, you just need to install the flash package, there is no need for manual copy
[18:21] <dv-> i have the flash package, but it broke when I upgraded
[18:21] <joaopinto> just try to reinstall it, since it needs to redownload the plugin from adobe
[18:21] <dv-> I did. no luck
[18:22] <joaopinto> does it fail ?
[18:22] <dv-> no, but it seems to put it in the wrong place
[18:22] <joaopinto> it works fine here
[18:23] <joaopinto> I have installed flashplugin-nonfree
[18:23] <dv-> also, I've had this strage problem for a while now... flash would work for some time, then it'd stop and I'd have to restart firefox. is that common?
[18:23] <joaopinto> i have: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[18:23] <joaopinto> which is a link to
[18:24] <mbeierl1> there was a report of a recent update breaking boot for grub2 ... did anyone else experience this or was it an isolated event?  I'm about to reboot :)
[18:24] <joaopinto> /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[18:24] <joaopinto> the real file
[18:25] <dv-> hm
[18:25] <dv-> mine's a link to /etc/alternatives/firefox-flashplugin
[18:27] <dv-> linking to libflashplayer.so still does nothing
[18:28] <swoody> does anyone know a general time-frame when Beta is going to be released?
[18:28] <dv-> is there some way to have firefox spit out where it's looking for plugins?
[18:28] <ubuntu0ath1> there's a testing beta iso , but there's no eta when a real beta will come out
[18:29] <swoody> ah, ok. Thanks ubuntu0ath1
[18:29] <bordi> cu
[18:30] <mbeierl1> it's just a "b", no eta in the beta.
[18:31] <ubuntu0ath1> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/  Here are the testing images
[18:32] <joaopinto> the testing beta is likely to be final
[18:33] <swoody> ah, good to hear guys
[18:34] <swoody> so basically if I just grab the testing beta, it will (most likely) be the same as the 'official' beta?
[18:35] <mbeierl1> sorry - I just had to blurt out: I just tried pencil from karmic ... that's too cool!
[18:38] <dv-> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so [/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
[18:38] <dv-> can't use 32bit flash with 64bit firefox?
[18:38] <dv-> it used to work fine before the upgrade
[18:39] <Nattgew> dv-: have you tried the 64-bit alpha?
[18:41] <roffe> I'm using 64-bit flash. Works great
[18:41] <domjohnson> How do you report a bug about sound?
[18:41] <domjohnson> On launchpad?
[18:41] <domjohnson> Wait, i think i know...
[18:41] <domjohnson> nvm
[18:42] <Amaranth> dv-: You've never been able to do that without nspluginwrapper
[18:44] <domjohnson> no, i dont know
[18:44] <domjohnson> when i click on report a bug it brings be to the wiki page for reporting bugs
[18:45] <ubuntu0ath1> you type in a run dialog or teminal ubuntu-bug <packagename>
[18:45] <dv-> Nattgew: i upgraded from a 64bit version, it should be 64bit :/
[18:45] <dv-> anyway, I installed the firefox from mozilla.org and it works now
[18:47] <darthanubis> oy
[18:47] <darthanubis> I've NEVER had to use the FF from Mozilla.com
[18:47] <darthanubis> org whatever
[18:47] <Nattgew> dv-: is the flash .so in .mozilla/plugins ?
[18:50] <Nattgew> dv-: I think it's looking in ~/.mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[18:53] <tgpraveen> !info nm
[18:53] <murielgodoi> hi guys, I'm about install 9.10 to check some bugs and features, should I download & install alpha6 or wait for the beta?
[18:53] <commander_> hey i'm downloading 9.10 but it just stuck in new software channels
[18:54] <tgpraveen> !info Network-manager
[18:54] <wastrel> america
[18:54] <yofel> !info network-manager
[18:54] <mbeierl> tgpraveen: it's NetworkManager, not Network-manager ;)
[18:55] <yofel> tgpraveen: ubottu's case sensitive ;)
[18:55] <tgpraveen> just like linux
[18:55] <tgpraveen> perfect
[18:57] <Brian___> hey tgpraveen are you in tactical gaming
[18:58] <tgpraveen> um.. you mean strategy based games
[18:59] <Brian___> http://tw.tghq.org/
[19:00] <Brian___> everyone has a tg in front of there name
[19:00] <roffe> their
[19:01] <Brian___> oops
[19:02] <Brian___> is the beta out. i just did apt-get dist-upgrade and got 55 updates
[19:02] <tgpraveen> Brian___: oh no. man those are just my intitials
[19:02] <Brian___> oh lol ok
[19:04] <murielgodoi> Brian___: Are you sure they are beta packages?
[19:05] <Brian___> no
[19:05] <Brian___> but i do a dist-upgrade everyday to make sure im up to date so the 55 packages were put there today so i just figured
[19:05] <cousteau> was that last sentence on the topic before?
[19:06] <murielgodoi> cousteau: yep
[19:06] <roffe> It's not released for me, at least
[19:06] <cousteau> like 6 hours ago
[19:06] <xguru> Brian___: i havne't recieved any update for almost 2 days now
[19:07] <commander_> does anyone have bets
[19:07] <commander_> beta
[19:07] <mirk> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:07] <Brian___> mirk: whats that
[19:07] <xguru> the site, but nothing from apt-get or update manager
[19:08] <mirk> i think its the beta =)
[19:08] <Brian___> so its out?
[19:09] <cousteau> well, it says they've run many tests
[19:09] <mirk> guess so
[19:09] <xguru> its what could be from my understanding, it could change depending on how the testers do on the build
[19:09] <roffe> I'll wait till the update manager tells me there are updates
[19:10] <Brian___> my update manager has 59 updates for today
[19:10] <roffe> Brian___, when was the last time you updated?
[19:10] <Brian___> i update everyday or at least check everyday
[19:11] <dael99> no updates for today D:
[19:12] <murielgodoi> okay. Are the beta packeges sheduled for today?
[19:12] <commander_> tht the same thing i'm asking
[19:12] <xguru> Brian___:  type uname -a in a terminal
[19:13] <xguru> yes they are coming out today, but haven't been released yet
[19:13] <Brian___> what will that do
[19:13] <xguru> say your version
[19:13] <roffe> Perhaps it's released and Brian is just on another server than the rest of us?
[19:13] <Brian___> 2.6.31-11 generic smp
[19:15] <Brian___> im on the server for united states
[19:16] <Trewas> beta means that there will be very few new packages today, because the archive has been frozen for a few days because of the beta... tomorrow will be completely different
[19:16] <Trizicus> when i try to do 'sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun I get all of these errors. http://pastebin.com/m70c87e9c
[19:17] <roffe> I tried some american server(the default one) and I got no updates
[19:17] <xguru> type: lsb_release -a
[19:17] <BluesKaj> the main server has none as well
[19:18] <Trizicus> nvm fixed it
[19:18] <Trizicus> had to install jdk...
[19:18] <wastrel> lsb_release -a
[19:18] <Brian___> the commmand says command not found
[19:18] <Nattgew> for anyone using bluetooth... does your applet always show everything as connected?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> maybe they are doing a bit more testing this time around , alpha6 broke a lot of system hardware drivers due to botched kernel modules
[19:19] <BluesKaj> the devs that is
[19:19] <commander_> is beta available yet?
[19:19] <DopeGhoti> commander_: it's due sometime today, I understand, but not yet.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> i wouldn't be in too much of a hurry for the bets to come doen the pipe
[19:20] <BluesKaj> beta=beta
[19:20] <commander_> so can i download alpha6 til then?
[19:20] <roffe> BluesKaj, Sure.. but it's damn fun for some reason :)
[19:20]  * BluesKaj neds a nap , spelingg is sufering
[19:20] <DopeGhoti> commander_: you can download α6 whenever you like- I think the older versions are still up too
[19:20] <commander_> it suppose to be today what's their problem?
[19:21] <Nattgew> commander_: as long as it's still today, they're fine...
[19:21] <murielgodoi> commander_: today is not over yet
[19:21] <Trizicus> Is anyone able to play RS without lag in alpha 6?
[19:21] <DopeGhoti> commander_: I, for one, would rather see it come out done, rather than half-baked and broken
[19:21] <Trizicus> I'm using sun-java vm and plugin
[19:21] <DopeGhoti> 'RS'?
[19:21] <Trizicus> Runescape
[19:22] <commander_> b cause everyone says u can get alpha 6 and then get the update?is this true?
[19:22] <roffe> Does anyone know how many developers Canonical have?
[19:22] <Trizicus> doesn't lag like this in vista and it's a problem that needs to be fixed so i want to make sure i've exhausted all options...
[19:22] <ikt> roffe: I think it's around 120
[19:22] <DopeGhoti> thousands, no?
[19:22] <roffe> ikt, that'
[19:22] <roffe> that's pretty impresseive
[19:23] <stefg> netbook-remix is still a complet mess it seems: no testing img/iso, and my yesterdays netinst on Acer Aspire One won't let me log in.
[19:24] <commander_> th last time i did it messed me up and i had to resinstall the whole OS from 8.4 which is all i got
[19:24] <stefg> but ok, rather get desktop edition shiny and deal with the netbooks when that
[19:24] <stefg> 'Sis sorted out
[19:25] <DopeGhoti> commander_: 8.04?  9.04 not work for you?
[19:25] <commander_> no no Dope i had to use 8.04 to get back to 9.4 u u nderstand
[19:25] <Nattgew> commander_: if you get the alpha 6 there will be a lot of updates but it should take you to the beta
[19:26] <Nattgew> unless there's some bug with upgrades
[19:26] <stefg> Nattgew: by the amount of breakage i exoerienced in the meantime it could well be that it takes you nowhere :-)
[19:26] <commander_> Nattgew i already started it
[19:26] <commander_> let's hope on it
[19:27] <tavasti> is there much difference between alpha6 and latest daily?
[19:27] <Nattgew> stefg: my install had that happen somewhere between alpha 4 and 5...
[19:28] <DopeGhoti> tavasti: that depends on how long since your last 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[19:28] <Martyn> tavasti : Huge difference
[19:28] <kaddi_> can i set a limit on how much cpu is used when i copy files? because right now my pc becomes unusable whenever I start to copy bigger amounts of files
[19:28] <Martyn> tavasti : But even the daily build is "old" now ... two days had a lot of checkins happen for beta
[19:28] <Martyn> tavasti : And the build was done on the 29th
[19:29] <tavasti> Martyn, thanks
[19:29] <Travis-42> kaddi_: maybe you can use nice or ionice with cp
[19:29] <Martyn> NP
[19:29] <domjohnson> Will we get an email when beta is released?
[19:29] <tavasti> so I'll wait fo beta
[19:29] <Martyn> We should link the current Karmic Beta launchpad buglist
[19:29] <yofel> kaddi_: no idea about in gui, but there is 'nice' and 'ionice' for the terminal
[19:29] <Martyn> because there are a bunch of them that are still being closed down from frozen
[19:29] <domjohnson> Martyn: you should
[19:29] <Martyn> domjohnson: Yeah, but the /topic is getting REALLY full
[19:30] <stefg> but honestly speaking: karmic seems extremely late and not really ready for beta-stage right now... but i'd rather see a postponed release than something like gutsy (which was pushed out the door unready)
[19:30] <Martyn> domjohnson: And I can't think of a good way to announce it without annoying the shit out of people (like a timed or scripted post to the channel)
[19:30] <domjohnson> What about when you log in
[19:30] <Martyn> stefg: I think karmic -is- beta quality at this point
[19:30] <domjohnson> U get all those messages
[19:31] <kaddi_> yofel/ Travis-42 good to know :) I used gui this time. MIght be a nice featurerequest for dolphin though it's a little to request that for karmic :p
[19:31] <Martyn> stefg : It's my daily machine now, stable enough for me to use for most operatons
[19:31] <arand> Martyn: Although all points made in topic are kind of vital...
[19:31] <jbeitler> Ok I have new Info on My Natilus maxing out my Processor if anyone has time?
[19:31] <Martyn> stefg : I agree that Karmic _MUST NOT_ leave beta until it's ready
[19:31] <kaddi_> jbeitler: I'm curious to hear, but I doubt I will be able to give you any advice
[19:31] <cousteau> yeah, there's already an unstable alpha
[19:31] <domjohnson> Well, they're afraid to put karmic out early. If they give out bad to karmic, they get bad right back :D
[19:31] <[diablo]> yes, seen topic... but... any idea when the beta will be :-)
[19:31] <domjohnson> lol
[19:31] <domjohnson> (As in Karmic; Karma)
[19:32] <jbeitler> haha well here goes nothing
[19:32] <stefg> Martyn: i have one netbook and one virtual machine on my desktop and my impression is quite mixed atm... the virtualbox takes ages to get a desktop shown and the AAO netbook won't work at all
[19:32] <DopeGhoti> cousteau: aren't alphas *supposed* to be unstable?
[19:32] <Martyn> stefg : But that's what the launchpad buglist tracks.   Once we move them all out of the critical path, we'll be close to release.   Now that we are beta and frozen .. at least no new features will creep in (with the POSSIBLE exception of a bootsplash)
[19:32] <DopeGhoti> I thought xsplash was already there?
[19:32] <arand> Thing is, with a time based release, it's pretty much going to be released, come rain or shine...
[19:32] <cousteau> that's why I say there's already an unstable alpha... why rush and release an unstable beta if there's already an unstable alpha? better to wait and stabilize it
[19:32] <yofel> DopeGhoti: considering the beta is due today it is still rather unstable
[19:33] <Martyn> DopeFish -- Yep, that's what alphas are for .. to move from an unstable alpha to a semi=stable beta (feature stable, not bug stable)
[19:33] <arand> DopeGhoti: there are still a lot unevens in it
[19:33] <DopeGhoti> hmm.. maybe they should add a gamma phase :)
[19:33] <cousteau> let's call it "metastable"
[19:33] <Martyn> cousteau: Because we've hit the definition of beta .. no new features.   Beta is all about closing down the bugs, and creating stability
[19:33] <Lazy> hi, upgrading from jaunty to karmic beta fails with the following error: Exception during pm.DoInstall(): E:Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.
[19:33] <arand> gamma is the LTS ;)
[19:33] <DopeGhoti> cousteau: a stable level of stability?
[19:34] <Martyn> Lazy : Yep .. but you know that NONE of the alphas are meant to be upgradeable
[19:34] <cousteau> as in "almost stable"
[19:34] <Martyn> Lazy: Good to know where the dependencies are though, make sure you submit a launchpad bug (and make sure it hasn't already been reported)
[19:34] <jbeitler> kaddi_: or anyone really, All was going well then this morning I boot up my machine and Natilus is maxing out my processor at 100%, I give it a min to calm down and it says. I reboot nothing, I shutdown, nothing. I turn it off and place it in the corner for a couple of hours (like a timeout) Same thing, I create a new user and it does not effect the new user, so I am a bit confused. My Self and the "new user" have the same start up script and nothing w
[19:34] <DopeGhoti> so less 'metastable' than 'quasistable' :)
[19:34] <Lazy> I reported this bug some time ago but there hasn't been any comments on that bug
[19:34] <yofel> arand: that would be a new definition of 'posponed release' :P
[19:34] <Martyn> cousteau: --feature-- stable, not usability stable
[19:34] <arand> Martyn: no no, they are supposed to be, in theory,...
[19:35] <Martyn> arand : In theory, but not in practice.  I also hit both the openoffice bugs, and numerious java-related bugs during upgrade
[19:35] <Martyn> arand : (yes, I reported 'em)
[19:35] <cousteau> actually, there's no completely stable software... but the beta is supposed to be much more stable than the alpha
[19:35] <Martyn> cousteau: And it will be .. by beta-2 or beta-3
[19:36] <Martyn> cousteau: Remember what Alpha-2 was like?  (heh) it barely functioned
[19:36] <ali1234> grub2 says: "error: invalid environment block" - what do i do now??
[19:36] <arand> Of course since the regulations is not in place it is likely to break... but it aint' _meant_ to break per se...
[19:36] <cousteau> are there beta-Xs in ubuntu?
[19:36] <Martyn> cousteau: The difference between Beta-1 and release candidate will be closing down all those bugs
[19:36] <kaddi_> jbeitler: it might just not like some other program youre running on startup and that a use wouldn't? Or it might be some user specific setting you have which is causing that problem?
[19:36] <Martyn> cousteau : Not really.  There are milestones though, and they all appear through doing aptitude upgrades
[19:37] <arand> Or rather, feature freeze, since closing of bugs should always be done...
[19:37] <jbeitler> no both users have the same programs installed and the same start up script
[19:37] <Martyn> cousteau: I should have said "by the time two weeks have passed"
[19:37] <kaddi_> jbeitler: yes, but not necessarily the same settings for nautilius, no?
[19:37] <DopeGhoti> random question: other than the interface, is there any reason to use aptitude rather than apt-get?
[19:37] <jbeitler> I haven't changed the settings on either of them < kaddi_
[19:38] <jbeitler> its just a base install of Alpha 6
[19:38] <kaddi_> have you tried backing up your settings and let the default be recreated by nautilus?
[19:38] <jbeitler> oh the only software I installed was Google Chrome
[19:38] <Amaranth> jbeitler: bad configuration or nautilus is trying to thumbnail a file and getting stuck
[19:39] <arand> DopeGhoti: You normally get more info with apti, I've been testing it now with Karmic and I can say I prefer it...
[19:39] <jbeitler> Amaranth: ok but I has been off fro like three days and now all of a a sudden
[19:39] <Amaranth> jbeitler: *shrug*
[19:39] <Amaranth> DopeGhoti: aptitude has a more advanced dependency resolver
[19:39] <Lazy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/437087 update-manager might be wrong package for my bug report?
[19:40] <Lazy> should i change it to the openoffice ones?
[19:40] <jbeitler> Amaranth: kaddi_ how do I restore defaults in Natilus?
[19:40] <Amaranth> If there are multiple says to resolve a dependency it'll ask you too
[19:40] <mbeierl1> Interesting - when I switch from wired to wireless Pidgin reconnects me to irc, but has changed my nick to nick1 (mbeierl -> mbeierl1)
[19:40] <om26er1> mbeierl1: its not interesting it default
[19:40] <kaddi_> that's because mbeierl was still online when you reconnected. So Pigdin used the second name you provided :)
[19:41] <Amaranth> jbeitler: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/nautilus
[19:41] <cousteau> mbeierl1: maybe it had to disconnect without closing the connection and you reconnected before mbeierl timed out
[19:41] <mbeierl1> om26er1:  why do I lose my nick?
[19:41] <arand> DopeGhoti: I was a long time fan of apt-get but after taking a turn with aptitude this cycle I'm sticking with it..
[19:41] <cousteau> mbeierl1: try /nick mbeierl
[19:41] <Amaranth> mbeierl1: just type /nick mbeierl
[19:41] <Amaranth> arand: same here
[19:41] <mbeierl1> I've been trying to revert to mbeierl, but I can't figure out ... oh
[19:41] <om26er1> mbeierl1: cuz u did not part and came back soon
[19:41] <mbeierl1> cousteau: trying now
[19:41] <eternal_p> I'm hoping someone can help me...I need to send my laptop in for repairs and am stealing my wife's...both dell's...I have an nvidia card and she has an intel....(swapping hard drives) when I book, I only get a terminal login, but the screen is constantly flashing so I cannot do anything (keyboard non-responsive) any suggestions?
[19:41] <mbeierl> thanks!
[19:41] <Amaranth> arand: although aptitude lacks rdepends and source commands
[19:42] <cousteau> you're welcome :)
[19:42] <dael99> aternal_p: are you using an alpha??
[19:42] <eternal_p> yup
[19:42] <om26er1> any1 from ubuntu moblin remix here
[19:42] <eternal_p> up-to-date as of this morning
[19:42] <om26er1> and when is the beta coming
[19:42] <yofel> eternal_p: if you had the nvidia binary graphic drivers installd then backup and remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:42] <Amaranth> eternal_p: boot in recovery mode and remove the nvidia-glx-180 package
[19:43] <Amaranth> eternal_p: or nvidia-glx-185, since it's karmic
[19:43] <eternal_p> Amaranth: I removed the nvidia-glx before I removed the hard drive, but didn't back up my xorg.conf
[19:43] <dael99> yofel: as far as I know, now there's no xorg.conf
[19:43] <Amaranth> eternal_p: try booting with nomodeset
[19:43] <Amaranth> dael99: it gets created when you install nvidia or fglrx drivers
[19:43] <eternal_p> amaranth: that is the other thing, grub doesn't give me a chance to hit escape either
[19:44] <dael99> oh, right.
[19:44] <yofel> dael99: there is one if you don't use the default graphics drivers, like for nvidia or ati
[19:44] <Amaranth> eternal_p: hold down shift right after turning the power on
[19:44] <arand> Amaranth: that is true, but for upgrade/install/remove it does it's stuff, and it's quicker to type, and has show and search in the same tool rather than apt-cache
[19:44] <eternal_p> ahhhh
[19:44] <eternal_p> I was hitting escape
[19:44] <dael99> yofel: do you know if X1200 is suppoerted with fglrx on karmic?
[19:44] <eternal_p> alright, so I'll remove nvidia, backup xorg.conf and swap drives
[19:44] <mbeierl> eternal_p: me too!  I had the hardest time figuring that one how
[19:45] <yofel> dael99: no
[19:45] <mbeierl> Amaranth: do you know if there's a way of showing the menu by default, rather than only on Shift?
[19:45] <yofel> dael99: I mean, I don't know
[19:45] <om26er1> any1 from ubuntu moblin remix
[19:45] <dael99> yofel: ok.
[19:45] <jbeitler> Amaranth: that didn't work
[19:45] <Amaranth> mbeierl: edit /etc/default/grub
[19:45] <Amaranth> jbeitler: any files on your desktop?
[19:45] <mbeierl> Amaranth: sorry - what option?
[19:45] <Lazy> ubuntu-bugs
[19:45] <jbeitler> nope ( I hate the clutter)
[19:45] <Amaranth> mbeierl: it involves editing text files
[19:46] <Amaranth> jbeitler: wipe the user and start over? :)
[19:46] <mbeierl> Amaranth: yes, sorry, which option do I change in the text file
[19:46] <om26er1> jbeitler: how abt mutter?
[19:46] <Amaranth> jbeitler: unless you feel like installing debug packages and having fun with gdb
[19:46] <jbeitler> trying to avoid that one
[19:46] <yofel> mbeierl: comment out the 2 lines that contain 'HIDDEN'
[19:47] <aurolac> is beta out?
[19:47] <kaddi_> no
[19:47] <Amaranth> aurolac: /topic
[19:47] <Jaymac> me slaps aurolac  on the wrist
[19:47] <om26er1> aurolac: what do u think?
[19:47] <aurolac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/
[19:47] <jbeitler> Amaranth: I guess its worht a shot
[19:47] <eternal_p> wish me luck
[19:47] <yofel> mbeierl: and don't forget to run 'update-grub' after editing the file
[19:47] <Amaranth> om26er1: Please don't use 'u'
[19:48] <mbeierl> yofel: thanks!  That's what I was looking for.  I could not find any docs on grub2 that explained the options :)
[19:48] <kaddi_> copy time estimation is worse then windows. I've gotten everything from 32hours to 6minutes now :P I sincerely hope 6min is closer to reality then 32hours :p
[19:48] <arand> aurolac: seems like they're preparing stuff...
[19:48] <aurolac> cool
[19:48] <yofel> mbeierl: read the wiki?
[19:48] <om26er1> aurolac: last time i checked there was nothing on this page now there is a folder named beta
[19:48] <aurolac> om26er1, cool
[19:48] <aurolac> any min now :)
[19:49] <guido> aurolac: you can download 9.10 from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[19:49] <guido> i think
[19:49] <thopiekar> hi got problems getting linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-10-generic and software-store (!= software-center) clearly removed from apt..
[19:49] <cousteau> yes, there is an _empty_ folder named beta
[19:49] <Amaranth> you guys do realize an up-to-date karmic install is the beta, right?
[19:49] <cousteau> but it wasn't before, and that's good
[19:49] <mbeierl> yofel: I did some grub2 googling, but did not find it and gave up when I found out the shift option
[19:49] <yofel> !grub2 | mbeierl
[19:49] <arand> Amaranth: far to few does...
[19:50] <aurolac> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:50] <Amaranth> This isn't windows
[19:50] <Amaranth> aurolac: Stop
[19:50] <om26er1> guido: where is moblin remix?
[19:50] <Amaranth> It hasn't been officially announced so it isn't out
[19:50] <thopiekar> when trying to remove software-store from synaptics it gives away a false signal in post-install-script
[19:50] <mbeierl> yofel: thanks!
[19:50] <Raydiation> is the software store coming in 9.10?
[19:50] <arand> aurolac: seems like images are up, but beta aint released until the announcment is.
[19:51] <arand> Raydiation: software center, yes
[19:51] <thopiekar> and when trying to remove it with apt it says that its selecting software-center instead of software-store
[19:51] <Amaranth> They could always pull them
[19:51] <thopiekar> :/
[19:51] <Raydiation> arand: does it implement all features yet?
[19:51] <Raydiation> or is it some kind of not ready piece of software
[19:51] <yofel> thopiekar: why do you want to remove software-center? (It replaces software-store)
[19:51] <Amaranth> arand: aptitude is also lacking the policy command
[19:51] <Raydiation> for instance rate software, comment etc?
[19:52] <arand> Raydiation: not by far (if you go by everything that it's supposed to have in the end...
[19:52] <om26er1> Amaranth: it will soon be out in beta and today
[19:52] <om26er1> Amaranth: i can bet on that
[19:52] <Amaranth> om26er1: Yes, I know
[19:52] <arand> Raydiation: it prettym much doubles as add/rem apps at the moment.
[19:52] <burner> so what's with the humanity themes lack of saturated volume and network right next to other saturated notification area icons?
[19:52] <Raydiation> arand: why dont they remove add/rem then?
[19:52]  * Amaranth is an ubuntu developer :P
[19:53] <Raydiation> and place the software center there
[19:53] <Amaranth> Raydiation: They did
[19:53] <Raydiation> oh nice :)
[19:53] <Raydiation> do you reccommend dist-upgrading or a fresh install?
[19:53] <Raydiation> i got some other repos such as wine, geany and pitivi
[19:53] <thopiekar> the problem is that software-center doesn't replace software-store at all .. software-store is as well as software-center available in my apt.. there is actually no way to install it again because it has been replaced :/
[19:54] <Amaranth> Raydiation: `update-manager -c -d` would be nice for the testing but a clean install is...cleaner
[19:54] <yofel> Raydiation: the only difference should be that you keep grub-legacy on upgrade and get grub2 on a fresh install
[19:54] <arand> Raydiation: it's gone from main menu, I'm not sure if they'll keep it there for people who prefer it, and they've also said that if software centre dowsn't work out they'll just pull it and use the old stuff, so I guess they'd want to keep it in for testing purposes as well..
[19:55] <Martyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta
[19:55] <thopiekar> so synaptics is showing software-store in local/main without being marked as installed to I want to purge it out of my apt..
[19:55] <xguru> whats the best way to move from ext3 to ext4?  i thought that was part of the upgrade to Karmic?
[19:55] <thopiekar> ^ yofel
[19:55] <Martyn> The link I just posted contains a list of the critical bugs that are blocking the release of beta
[19:55] <DopeGhoti> xguru: upgrades keep your existing filesystems, you get etx4 with new installs
[19:55] <Martyn> For those who are asking "Why isn't beta out yet?"
[19:55] <Amaranth> Martyn: No, not really
[19:56] <Martyn> Amaranth: "xsplash takes up 100% cpu" is a pretty critical bug
[19:56]  * thopiekar is on: Linux thopiekar-desktop 2.6.31-11-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 25 06:37:23 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:56] <Amaranth> Martyn: Those are the ones we wanted to have fixed before the beta but we're time-based so we release anyway
[19:56] <stefg> Martyn: thx for that link
[19:56] <arand> xguru: no, best way to do is normally a reisntall, you can migrate, but it's tricky and you might not get all benefits..
[19:56] <xguru> if i backup ./home will it keep all my setting?
[19:57] <thopiekar> so how can i now remove the package "software-store" out of my apt?
[19:57] <Amaranth> Martyn: And notice most of those are marked 'Fix Released'
[19:57] <thopiekar> xguru: it should do that job
[19:57] <Martyn> Amaranth: Of course.  There are only a few marked "critical incomplete"
[19:57] <Martyn> And one of those is "init - mount root fs"
[19:57] <burner> xguru: if you backup /home, that should be everything you care about... but... if you restore it all to a fresh install, it could copy outdated settings files causing problems.  Best to pull back selectively
[19:57] <Martyn> Kind of important :)
[19:58] <Amaranth> Martyn: But we're going to release today anyway
[19:58] <DopeGhoti> thopiekar: dpkg --remove <package> if apt{,itude} doesn't work maybe?
[19:58] <xguru> ok, i guess best to keep just .odt docs...
[19:58] <xguru> let the rest go
[19:59] <thopiekar> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove software-store, only the config
[19:59] <thopiekar>  files of which are on the system. Use --purge to remove them too.
[19:59] <stefg> Martyn: though looking at the list i find the moblin remix completely overrated.... netbook launcher is just fine (although i understand the OEM importance of that milestone)
[19:59] <thopiekar> http://pastebin.com/d12823bda
[19:59] <DopeGhoti> thopiekar: try with --purge?
[20:00] <DopeGhoti> hmm
[20:00] <DopeGhoti> solve the symptom: make the directory it's complaining is missing? :)
[20:01] <domjohnson> will we get an email when the beta comes out?
[20:01]  * burner likes the new wallpapers :)
[20:01] <thopiekar> :) seems that we come closer.. hang on..
[20:01] <ikt> domjohnson: yes
[20:01] <ikt> similar to when every alpha comes out
[20:01] <JanC> there will be a mail to -announce
[20:01] <thopiekar> DopeGhoti: fixed thanks!
[20:01] <DopeGhoti> thopiekar: anytime :)
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> how do you get the e-mail
[20:02] <commander_> is anyne got it yet?
[20:02] <burner> sign up for the announce mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[20:02] <commander_> anyone
[20:03] <thopiekar> synaptics takes at the moment , exspecially after the karmic upgrade, a long time loading the database..
[20:03] <thopiekar> is there a way to clean it up?
[20:03] <thopiekar> or tweak it anyway?
[20:03] <Amaranth> thopiekar: dpkg --forget-old-unavail
[20:04] <thopiekar> Amaranth: thanks
[20:05] <benoitc> hi
[20:05] <thopiekar> hey benoitc
[20:05] <benoitc> is there a way to have wireless working with macbook 5.1 ?
[20:05] <benoitc> on karmic
[20:05] <thopiekar> dunno
[20:05] <x-warrior> What time the Ubuntu 9.10 Beta is going to be ready to ownload? *-
[20:05] <thopiekar> ok here the last package problem for today.. http://pastebin.com/d33193177
[20:05] <DopeGhoti> x-warrior: "when it's done" :)
[20:06] <x-warrior> DopeGhoti, is the schedule changed?
[20:06] <Amaranth> No but there is never a time given
[20:06] <thopiekar> x-warrior: karmic is just available out there.. just checkout the web via google or upgrade your own system..
[20:06] <Amaranth> just a day
[20:06] <x-warrior> Ok :D
[20:07] <DopeGhoti> x-warrior: not that I'm aware of.  In my TZ, they still have 11.9 hours for an on-time release
[20:07]  * thopiekar is using the alpha and it works just great!
[20:07] <xguru> x-warrior: the day can be the 2nd depending on where you are
[20:07] <DKcross> hello people
[20:07] <thopiekar> btw do you have a idea how to get a rid of that old modules package?
[20:08] <eternal_p> thanks, all...that worked perfectly
[20:08] <thopiekar> eternal_p: what? :)
[20:08] <arand> Karmic will have _been_ released by the 2:nd that's pretty much what's certain...
[20:08] <x-warrior> I'm in Brazil UTC-3 but usually is in the right day ... but no problems I'm waiting :D
[20:08] <Amaranth> eternal_p: So you have to boot with nomodeset?
[20:08] <tavasti> I was reading bugs on launchpad, is flashplugin-nonfree package broken, or is it just upgrading that package which fails?
[20:08] <eternal_p> Amaranth: nope, removed the xorg.conf file
[20:08] <tavasti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/429841
[20:09] <Amaranth> eternal_p: phew
[20:09] <eternal_p> agreed
[20:09] <eternal_p> this will do me fine until my laptop comes back from repair
[20:09] <eternal_p> s
[20:09] <Amaranth> eternal_p: so this is the "xorg can't recover from a driver failing to load"
[20:09] <thopiekar> hey do you have trouble with flash, too?
[20:09] <xguru> i have flash running fine
[20:09] <robin0800> arand: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[20:09] <arand> tavasti: try using flashplugin-installer instead? (-nonfree is an old to-be-deprecated package)
[20:09] <Amaranth> eternal_p: it's supposed to fall back to probing for the right driver then if loading that driver fails trying vesa but it's a bit screwy
[20:09] <thopiekar> there are issueses with clicking on the applets like the youtube player..
[20:10] <eternal_p> Amaranth: apparently
[20:10] <Amaranth> Guys stop giving out links
[20:10] <Amaranth> There is no announcement
[20:10] <tavasti> I don't have any problems yet, just tying to decide if I dare to install karmic o not :-)
[20:10] <eternal_p> but that was pretty painless...overall
[20:10] <arand> robin0800: still aint oficially released..
[20:10] <Amaranth> thopiekar: Ah, yes, you have 64-bit but are using the 32-bit flash and using compiz
[20:11] <robin0800> arand: Try the link
[20:11] <Amaranth> thopiekar: nspluginviewer and chromium both fail to respond to clicks in this case
[20:12] <mbeierl1> Just decided to roll the dice and press my luck, but nope: hot docking still hangs my system hard with karmic (on dell d620)
[20:12] <thopiekar> wow do you have a wonder globe, or how is it called in english?
[20:12] <dael99> robin0800: seems there'sno build for today http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/ xD
[20:12] <thopiekar> how can i remove the x86 version of flash?
[20:12] <arand> robin0800: like I said, untill they announce it, it aint oficiall, the beta is pretty much just a daily build anyways, so it's already been out for a while afaik...
[20:13] <arand> s/oficial/official/
[20:13] <robin0800> arand: look at the dates
[20:15] <Amaranth> robin0800: Just drop it and wait for the announcement.
[20:16] <Amaranth> robin0800: Or do you want to kill the mirroring process and delay the release? :)
[20:16] <Veinor> Every so often, with my AR9285 wireless card, the signal craps out.
[20:16] <thopiekar> hey Amaranth, how can I have flash x86 install when there is just one package on apt?
[20:16] <Brian___> omg omg is it out yet is it out yet omg omg omg
[20:16] <Brian___> lol
[20:16] <thopiekar> should I use a opensource alternative?
[20:16] <commander_> well it's 3:16pm here in Miami on 10/1 and does anyone have it
[20:16] <kn100> whats the command in 9.04 that allows it to update to a 9.10 alpha?
[20:16] <Amaranth> thopiekar: You have to remove all the flash packages you have installed and get the amd64 one from adobe labs manually
[20:16] <arand> robin0800: the md5sums are exactly the same as for the daily for the 29, the beta is just a two day-old daily...
[20:16] <kn100> i remember using one for 8.10 to 9.04
[20:16] <Amaranth> kn100: `update-manager -c -d`
[20:17] <thopiekar> are these from adobe deb packages as well?
[20:17] <kn100> Amaranth, thats the one
[20:17] <kn100> thanks
[20:17] <commander_> i hope it has something to easily sync a Blackberry
[20:17] <Amaranth> thopiekar: no, you don't get a deb
[20:18] <Amaranth> thopiekar: you have to go to labs.adobe.com and get the .tar.gz and manually install it
[20:19] <thopiekar> do you plan, I think that you are a Ubuntu Member or official Developter, to add a x64 package on apt?
[20:19] <Amaranth> thopiekar: Legally not allowed to do so
[20:19] <Amaranth> It's an alpha
[20:20] <thopiekar> ah logicly thats right :)
[20:21] <arand> I think there was a thing that they won't add an alpha, regerdless if it's more stable... I'd disagree on that logic but oh well...
[20:21] <trev_> When will the beta be released? It says 1st October which is today. In my timezone it already is 09:20pm. So what timezone is the release-schedule following?
[20:21] <Pici> 'Ubuntu Members' don't explicitily get upload rights.
[20:21] <Pici> trev_: The 'its done when its done' timezone
[20:21] <Amaranth> arand: We're legally not allowed to add it
[20:21] <Amaranth> arand: No redistribution of alphas is allowed by Adobe
[20:21] <arand> Amaranth: oh, right, didn't know that...
[20:21] <trev_> I will just wait until tomorrow then :o
[20:22] <Pici> trev_: Really, there isn't a set time when its going to come out.
[20:22] <darthanubis> I LOVE UBUNTU!
[20:22] <darthanubis> sorry been home drinking all day:/
[20:22] <darthanubis> :-P
[20:22] <arand> Amaranth: but is the downloader that ubuntu has for flash considered as distribution?
[20:22] <darthanubis> I'm celebrating the beta non-release
[20:22] <darthanubis> ;)
[20:23] <kn100> darthanubis, we all do :D
[20:23] <darthanubis> :D
[20:23] <c_korn> darthanubis: do you also love Ubuntu without drinking ? :P
[20:23] <Amaranth> arand: Close enough
[20:23] <darthanubis> I have not used another distro since Ubuntu came out how many years ago?
[20:23] <Brian___> if its not released what file am i downloading from http releases.ubuntu.9.10
[20:23] <jovan_> don't you think that the topic should be changed now?
[20:23] <Amaranth> arand: Plus there is no guarantee of security updates for the 64-bit version
[20:23] <darthanubis> c_korn, most of the time:-P
[20:23] <Amaranth> Brian___: No links
[20:24] <Brian___> im just asking
[20:24] <Amaranth> Brian___: It isn't done mirroring
[20:24] <darthanubis> have anyone had probrlems with their XFS partitions not mounting at boot?
[20:24] <Amaranth> People use XFS?
[20:24] <darthanubis> ha
[20:25] <darthanubis> why not?
[20:25] <darthanubis> I use it for my mythtv partitions
[20:25] <arand> Amaranth: ok, yea, fair enough, I thought the reason not to alpha was a dev decision rather... That makes more sense though, since from what I've seen the alpha is just better, period.
[20:25] <darthanubis> you know large files and what not?
[20:25] <kn100> i use XFS for my phone
[20:25] <darthanubis> your phone?
[20:25] <Amaranth> arand: For some people it crashes on load
[20:25] <roffe> In what sense is the software center better than add/remove?
[20:26] <kn100> darthanubis, having a linux based phone FTW
[20:26] <darthanubis> nice
[20:26] <darthanubis> roffe, who knows? I think the idea is to centrally locate software management
[20:26] <arand> Amaranth: ouch, didn't know that... although I'd still guess the total crash frequency is higher on the defautl version :(
[20:27] <c_korn> can someone tell how to get the other space backgrounds in gnome ? there are arrows under a background image in the window where the gnome backround can be changed. clicking them changes the thumbnail but not the gnome wallpaper
[20:29] <ToxinPowe> c_korn, I have the same "problem" xD
[20:29] <arand> c_korn: looks like a bug there, you could always add the backgrounds from original loaction.. wherever that was again...
[20:30] <trev_> btw. since they removed u-boot my startup looks really ugly because it takes like 20secs until the xsplash loads. Hate that
[20:31] <cousteau> kn100: what phone?
[20:31] <kn100> cousteau, motorola zn5
[20:31] <c_korn> hm, what package should I file a bug against ?
[20:31] <beck-and-call> How feasible is it to upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic by adding the Karmic sources and 'aptitude -y safe-upgrade'?
[20:31] <kn100> cousteau, the phones kernel is entirely open source
[20:32] <kn100> so i haz a lot of fun with it, since its busybox based
[20:32] <Nattgew> beck-and-call: it may work... but since that's not how you're supposed to do it, it may not
[20:32] <trev_> kn100: I am using a Freerunner. I love Linux on my phone :)
[20:32] <trev_> So you are using XFS on internal flash or sd-card?
[20:32] <Nattgew> i've had enough problems doing it with update-manager
[20:33] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: What are the approved methods?
[20:33] <kn100> trev_, the internal flash memory
[20:34] <Nattgew> beck-and-call: update-manager -d for the gui
[20:35] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: Any special prep?  I've already got the Karmic sources in because I'm using about... 300 or so Karmic packages on this machine.
[20:35] <arand> c_korn: /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos btw
[20:35] <cousteau> kn100: wow... I was looking for info about the Nokia N900 with Maemo
[20:35] <mbeierl> anyone know how to get emerald to be the default decorator?
[20:35] <Nattgew> beck-and-call: i don't think so... those packages may or may not help things
[20:36] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: I think the semi-critical package I'm missing is base-something, thus it's still a Jaunty machine.
[20:38] <om26er> can any1 throw some light on either ubuntu software center will be the only package manager at the end of karmic cycle?
[20:38] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: With what I *think* are all the current mainline Karmic sources added, I can't quite get all the current kernel packages.  The linux-restricted-modules meta is available, but the most recent offered package is still linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-15-generic.  Thoughts on that?
[20:39] <Nattgew> beck-and-call: i think they did away with restricted modules in favor of dkms...
[20:39] <tavasti> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[20:39] <kn100> beta is OUT!
[20:40] <Crashbit> ohm ... beta has been released
[20:40] <arand> om26er: I think not, add/rem might be dropped, but apart from that it's an existance in parallell, I heard some info on the uupc podcast I think
[20:40] <c_korn> arand: I filed a bug about it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/440180
[20:40]  * arand does the beta dance
[20:40] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: I've got dkms-- I thought that was just alongside restricted.  Now I have to go find the Catalyst package and see. :D
[20:40] <om26er> arand how do u do that
[20:41] <om26er> ***arand ?
[20:41] <Nattgew> beck-and-call: it talks about that on the testing release pages in the kernel section
[20:41] <beck-and-call> Nattgew: Okay, I'll check that out.  Thanks!
[20:41] <arand>  /me types typoses
[20:42] <dael99> and it's here :D
[20:42]  * om26er thank you
[20:43] <mbeierl> anyone else use compiz wobbly windows snap?  It does not seem to have any desktop edge resistance anymore
[20:43] <om26er> Amaranth: when is moblin remix gonna be official?
[20:49] <melter> has anyone had problems with later alphas and the new beta showing random colors when booting from the cd?
[20:53] <arand> melter: like a psycho ncurses? Yea, I've seem that from time to time, mostly when shutting down though I think... haven't been bothered enough to look into it though...
[20:54] <cousteau> can I already download the beta? or is it not official yet?
[20:54] <melter> arand: it happens when i boot; i see a black screen with some colored pixels, and it goes through several different colored pixels, switching every couple minutes
[20:54] <melter> read the topic
[20:54] <arand> melter: hmm, doens't sound liek the same issue...
[20:55] <melter> arand: problem is, eventually it settles on one corrupted screen, and the system is unusable
[20:55] <arand> I'm off though, happy beta day everyone.
[20:55] <melter> arand: early alphas worked, though, so something changed and broke
[20:57] <trothigar> cousteau, www.ubuntu.com, its official
[20:57] <aurolac> im getting an error on the torrent 'Requested Download is not authorised for use with this tracker'
[20:58] <aurolac> http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[20:58] <BUGabundo> hey every one. guud evening
[20:58] <cousteau> trothigar: yaaay! thanks
[21:03] <tavasti> aurolac, I don't have any errors, but can't get any bits for http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/beta/xubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[21:03] <aurolac> well i tried the swedish mirror and it works
[21:04] <aurolac> the irish mirror on HEAnet is giving me issues
[21:04] <tavasti> can you give me url
[21:04] <aurolac> sure hang on
[21:04] <aurolac> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[21:04] <aurolac> shit
[21:04] <aurolac> that alternate
[21:04] <aurolac> wait
[21:05] <rsk> needs more enter
[21:05] <aurolac> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[21:05] <cousteau> the torrent is dl'ing a bit slowly
[21:06] <aurolac> give it a lil while i guess
[21:06] <aurolac> news is just out
[21:06] <commander_> can i still get it from update manager?
[21:08] <commander_> aurolac what news?
[21:08] <aurolac> that betas released
[21:08] <roffe> I'm on the same server as you aurolac, but I'm not getting any updates
[21:08] <aurolac> whats Marvell Dove computers
[21:08] <cousteau> maybe limiting the upload speed... 30 KB/s will be enough (my top upload speed is about 35 KB/s and reaching that speed often makes everything slower)
[21:09] <benoitc> hum weird, i've no more colors in my term
[21:09] <benoitc> I had it on osx
[21:09] <tavasti> swedish miror doesn't have xubuntu
[21:09] <cousteau> download the torrent image then
[21:09] <aurolac> Freescale i.MX51 computers ?
[21:09] <benoitc> also is there a way to save config of nvidia proietary driver it keeps telling me it can't parse /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[21:09] <aurolac> lots of diff. images for this release
[21:09] <cousteau> no idea what's that freescale thing
[21:10] <commander_> ok.now i'm downloading still alpha6 so it's ok?
[21:10] <aurolac> commander_, im running 9.04 will do a fresh install instead of forcing a distro update
[21:11] <commander_> i mean i been dl alpha6 before the news broke and i'm on 9.04 so it should go into beta right
[21:11] <aurolac> i think its still replicating across the servers
[21:12] <aurolac> because some mirrors have plenty of more images and isos than others
[21:12] <ToxinPowe> I have grub with jaunty and other, Can I install Karmic without break others?
[21:12] <aurolac> commander_, sure once thats done, you can just run an apt-get update and upgrade and it'll make it beta yup
[21:13] <commander_> COOL!!!
[21:13] <commander_> gotta love linux
[21:13] <commander_> sudo apt-get update/sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[21:13] <aurolac> commander_, update manager will prob. pop up saying new distribution available and have a few updates
[21:13] <len> I was going to upgrade to the Kubuntu Karmic Beta, but when I type update-notifier-kde -d the updater warns "This is still a ALPHA release."  Does that mean the mirror isn't updated yet, or is the message wrong?
[21:13] <rrva> hi.. my mouse disappeared after upgrading xserver.. might also be that #438962 (which makes me boot in a weird way) did not start X properly.
[21:13] <rrva> I run evdev (i think)
[21:14] <aurolac> commander_, yup you mightn't even have to, can do it via the X
[21:14] <darthanubis> len, simply means what it says and thats all
[21:14] <aurolac> len, mirror prob. isn't ready
[21:14] <commander_> ok. well it's installing the upgrades now.i just hope i can keep my cairo dock
[21:15] <rrva> anyone know about upstart/mountall boot blocking bugs like #438962 ?
[21:15] <Jaymac> is there no usb netbook remix image?
[21:15] <Jaymac> do i have to burn the iso, go to windows and use the included usb disk creator?
[21:16] <aurolac> pfft now when i try the swedish mirror it doesn't work
[21:16] <aurolac> go figure
[21:16] <Jaymac> because i'm trying out the usb disk creator in windows at the minute.. and it says: Copying files... 1114% complete
[21:16] <Jaymac> which i somewhat doubt
[21:16] <shadowless_egg> i have a ppc mac at home which version of xubuntu should i get?
[21:16] <len> I checked my sources.list to see what mirror I was using and tried to check it manually.  It seemed like it was up to beta, but maybe I wasn't checking the right thing.  What is the best way to verify your mirror?
[21:17] <shadowless_egg> jackelope or hardy
[21:17] <aurolac> Jaymac, i recommend unetbootin
[21:17] <aurolac> you can get that for linux and windows
[21:17] <Jaymac> aurolac - there was an official .img release for 9.04
[21:17] <duffydack> Jaymac, lol, reminds me of an xkcd ....
[21:17] <shadowless_egg> >_>
[21:17] <cousteau> shadowless_egg: afaik ubuntu doesn't support powerpc anymore
[21:17] <shadowless_egg> im talking about xubuntu
[21:17] <cousteau> well, xubuntu is based on ubuntu and uses ubuntu's repositories
[21:18] <shadowless_egg> i want to at least have some os on it
[21:18] <Lazy> shadowless_egg: maybe you should try debian?
[21:18] <cousteau> maybe debian
[21:19] <aurolac> anyone got the torrents working?
[21:19] <shadowless_egg> to debian!
[21:19] <cousteau> (oops... echo-man strikes back)
[21:21] <Jaymac> for 9.04 there was this image available for unr, which  makes much more sense: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-netbook-remix-i386.img
[21:22] <Brian___> can i download the beta did they update the mnirrors
[21:22] <commander_> cross my fingers
[21:22] <cousteau> Brian___: yes; read the topic
[21:22] <aurolac> Brian___, mirros appear to be up but when trying to grab the torrents, giving errors for people
[21:23] <aurolac> *mirrors
[21:23] <xguru> so what was different in the beta release, compared to the daily build?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> xguru: nothing
[21:23] <Brian___> from what site
[21:23] <melter> i unplugged 1 of my monitors, and that seems to solve the screen corruption problem in beta
[21:23] <BUGabundo> a bit more install testing
[21:23] <BUGabundo> that's it
[21:23] <xguru> lol, i guess no need to worry about it then :)
[21:24] <xguru> hmm..a lot of hype over nothing
[21:24] <hype_> np
[21:26] <domjohnson> BETA IS HERE?????????????/
[21:27] <ToxinPowe> no, is out
[21:27] <ToxinPowe> xD
[21:27] <domjohnson> ?
[21:27] <ToxinPowe> never mind =)
[21:27] <bucky> !topic
[21:28] <domjohnson> How do you upgrade?
[21:28] <domjohnson> I didnt get any updates in update manager...
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: from what?
[21:28] <domjohnson> alpha 6
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: from alpha to beta or form jaunty?
[21:29] <domjohnson> alpha to beta
[21:29] <stephank> Looks like the x86 and amd64 desktop beta isos are missing from the bittorrent tracker?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:29] <Jaymac> anyone know the location of the unr .img?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> domjohnson: if you dont get anything then you already have the packages of the beta installed
[21:29] <cousteau> domjohnson: just wait; you'll get automatic updates
[21:29] <Jaymac> or can anyone tell me how i can make an iso bootable off a usb stick?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> domjohnson: better just use Update Manager
[21:30] <BUGabundo> Jaymac: on cdimage
[21:30] <BUGabundo> !daily
[21:30] <cousteau> Jaymac: there's a tool on ubuntu for that
[21:30] <BUGabundo> should be on unr subfolder
[21:30] <Jaymac> cousteau, that is for the img files, not isos afaik
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> Jaymac: you can use tools to put the iso on usb: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/karmic-netbook-remix-i386.iso   MD5= 6fb8970b452c02bfb370a2aae7c3824b
[21:30] <hype_> Jaymac , system > administration > create start up usb disk
[21:31] <Jaymac> hype_, that relies on you actually having an .img file though
[21:31] <BUGabundo> Jaymac: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/
[21:31] <hype_> true
[21:31] <hype_> i misundesrtood :)
[21:31] <cousteau> Jaymac: "Creates a bootable USB from ISO CD image"
[21:31] <domjohnson> Right...gonna reboot
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> Jaymac: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[21:32] <BUGabundo> Jaymac: you can dd the image to usb
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> Jaymac: i use that
[21:32] <Jaymac> BUGabundo,  i have an iso - dd will make it a bootable cd image
[21:32]  * BUGabundo is confused
[21:32] <BUGabundo> too much noise
[21:32] <BUGabundo> you have an ISO
[21:32] <BUGabundo> just use usb-creator
[21:32] <DKcross> any idea about this
[21:32] <DKcross> bzr: ERROR: Bound branch BzrBranch6('file:///home/dk/planet-ubuntu/')  ?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> to pass it from  iso to usb
[21:32] <BUGabundo> nothing more nothing less
[21:32] <DKcross> is other thing and topic:D
[21:32] <BUGabundo> the dude run away
[21:33] <shadowless_egg> what version of debian should i download?
[21:33] <Lazy> shadowless_egg: netinstall is pretty good choice
[21:33] <shadowless_egg> i have no net and cant setup net
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !debian | shadowless_egg
[21:34] <shadowless_egg> yes but i have a powerpc mac
[21:34] <shadowless_egg> would ubuntu even run on that?
[21:34] <Lazy> no it would not
[21:34] <shadowless_egg> if xubuntu cant im sure regular cant either
[21:34] <Lazy> http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
[21:34] <shadowless_egg> yeah but which one
[21:34] <Lazy> if you have a dvd-drive take that one
[21:34] <Lazy> otherwise the cd will be fine
[21:34] <shadowless_egg> alpha amd etcc
[21:35] <Lazy> powerpc for powerpc?
[21:35] <shadowless_egg> oh
[21:35] <shadowless_egg> duh missed that
[21:35] <domjohnson> BACK
[21:35] <domjohnson> Still no sound
[21:35] <domjohnson> gadnabbit
[21:36] <viki> hi All, when my machine is booting the ubuntu karmic i am not getting the ubuntu-xsplash-artwork working... can anybody help?
[21:36] <domjohnson> How do you restart alsa?
[21:36] <domjohnson> and alsa-utils?
[21:36] <xguru> ubuntu runs of ppc btw...oops to late
[21:36] <MongoTheMad> Is the tracker down for the torrent of the betas?
[21:37] <Jaymac> guys - apologies: it seems ubuntu usb creator now uses isos instead of img files... writing my image now :)
[21:37] <Lazy> xguru: where do you get ppc images?
[21:37] <XDevHald> domjohnson: sudo apt-get autoremove alsa alsa-utils (reboot your machine) then apt-get install alsa alsa-utils
[21:38] <XDevHald> Then your sound issue is fixed.
[21:39] <XDevHald> domjohnson: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[21:39] <xguru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.04/release/    <--  not sure if they 9.10 beta is out
[21:39] <XDevHald> Since they're in London, it'll be an overnight build.
[21:39] <xguru> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/  <--  i think you can get 9.10 here
[21:40] <Lazy> cool
[21:40] <Lazy> i thought ubuntu dropped powerpc support at some point
[21:40] <akio> my beta is available
[21:40] <MongoTheMad> the 9.10 beta is available
[21:40] <akio> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[21:40] <xguru> i thought so....i think its support if limited
[21:40] <MongoTheMad> the torrent tracker is down though
[21:40] <xguru> if = is
[21:41] <XDevHald> Thanks akio. Will this be available in the update manager?
[21:41] <akio> yes
[21:41] <XDevHald> Excellent, thank you.
[21:41] <akio> update-manager -d does the trick
[21:42] <akio> but you need to make sure you are up to date
[21:42] <akio> and upgraded
[21:42] <XDevHald> I am 100% up to date, last release in upstream was gnome-shell
[21:42] <amortvigil> hello
[21:42] <Whitor> ok.. since the fine folks in #ubuntu cant help me out... maybe someone here can ... (or at least tell me this is fixed in 9.10) ... I'm trying to host a game on port 8080 I have disabled the firewall with: sudo ufw disable. Sudo ufw status reports: inactive ... but yet no one can connect to me! Or even ping me ?!?! what gives ?
[21:42] <amortvigil> why is there only dvd?
[21:42] <Whitor> game is crack-attack :)
[21:42] <XDevHald> akio: No upgrade available as of yet in update-manager -d
[21:43] <MongoTheMad> Whitor, are you behind a router?
[21:43] <Whitor> MongoTheMad, no
[21:43] <Whitor> MongoTheMad, works fine on the laptop sitting next to me running 8.10
[21:43] <MongoTheMad> Whitor, is the game broadcasting on that port?
[21:43] <Whitor> connected to the same network
[21:43] <akio> netstat -pant
[21:43] <Whitor> MongoTheMad, idk. I installed the game exactly the same on my 8.10 install and my 9.04 install
[21:43] <domjohnson> Still no soujnd
[21:44] <XDevHald> domjohnson: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset if that didn't work
[21:44] <domjohnson> Do u have to reboot after installing it as well?
[21:44] <cousteau> don't use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/ - use http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[21:44] <akio> Whitor, what does netstat -pant say?
[21:44] <akio> cousteau, what is the difference?
[21:44] <domjohnson> I get tonnes of errors when doing that
[21:44] <Whitor> akio, tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8080            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[21:44] <cousteau> there are only DVD images on the first one
[21:44] <rrva> how can i roll back upstart to sysvinit ?
[21:45] <domjohnson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/282461/
[21:45] <akio> sudo netstat -pant
[21:45] <XDevHald> domjohnson: remove pulseaudio as well and reboot, then reinstall it again.
[21:45] <yofel> rrva: why would you? initscripts still work if you're using them
[21:45] <Whitor> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8080            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      4285/crack-attack
[21:45] <XDevHald> domjohnson: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[21:45] <XDevHald> err
[21:45] <Whitor> It is listening ...
[21:45] <XDevHald> Do the reset instead of restart
[21:45] <akio> yep
[21:46] <Whitor> But people cant even ping me
[21:46] <Whitor> even after disabling the firewall ... and even rebooting
[21:46] <akio> are they on the same network as you?
[21:46] <Whitor> yes
[21:46] <akio> is this a lan?
[21:46] <Whitor> yes
[21:46] <akio> then ping them
[21:46] <Whitor> this is a 9.04 issue ... works fine on the laptops sitting next to me running 8.10 (same hardware)
[21:46] <Whitor> Switch HD's ... issues follows 9.04
[21:47] <akio> different version of the game?
[21:47] <Whitor> nope
[21:47] <Whitor> 1.1.14
[21:47] <Whitor> on both
[21:47] <akio> check game forums?
[21:47] <Whitor> not yet
[21:47] <akio> thats where I would go
[21:47] <rrva> yofel: because i suspect something in upstart/mountall broke my boot badly
[21:47] <Whitor> I don't think its a game issue ... I disabled the firewall... people should be able to ping me
[21:48]  * XDevHald scratches head as to why Beta of Karmic is not in the update stream...
[21:48] <akio> if you are good, you can use netcat to snoop around
[21:48] <Lazy> or tcpdump
[21:48] <akio> the firewall, what kind is it?
[21:48] <Whitor> ufw ... the deafult one
[21:48] <Whitor> iptables
[21:49] <akio> stop both iptables and ufw
[21:49] <akio> then have them ping again
[21:49] <Whitor> ufw disable is supposed to disable the firewall ... it doesn't
[21:49] <cousteau> shouldn't UNR be a .img? I mean, I can create a bootable USB, but why .iso? for testing it on laptops with cd-reader or something?
[21:49] <Whitor> How can I stop ufw ?
[21:49] <akio> sudo /etc/init.d/ufw stop
[21:49] <Whitor> and iptables ?
[21:49] <akio> i believe
[21:49] <Whitor> ok. cool thanks
[21:49] <akio> sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop i think
[21:50] <akio> can they ping now?
[21:50] <Lazy> if you have iptables installed you should check "sudo iptables -L"
[21:50] <Whitor> akio, nope.
[21:50] <Lazy> if lots of lines come you probably still have firewall on
[21:50] <stapel> can anyone suggest a good gmail notifier to use in karmic. One that makes use of new notification system
[21:50] <Whitor> http://pastebin.ca/1588287
[21:50] <domjohnson> Still no sound
[21:50] <akio> yeah, I don't use a firewall.
[21:50] <Whitor> ^^ sudo iptables -L
[21:51] <Whitor> akio, I don't want to use one either !!
[21:51] <Whitor> It was installed by default
[21:51] <roffe> why won't the update manager ask me to upgrade??
[21:51] <Whitor> 9.04 sucks
[21:51] <akio> roffe, because you haven't asked the right program nicely
[21:51] <domjohnson> lol
[21:51] <akio> sudo update-manager -d
[21:52] <akio> watch it Whitor, you have much to learn before you can say that.
[21:52] <Whitor> akio, I know it worked on 8.10
[21:53] <XDevHald> roffe: You trying to grab beta?
[21:53] <Whitor> I know lots of things don't work as well as 8.10 ... Been a user for a long time.
[21:53] <akio> I don't know for sure but I thought that there were no firewall rules enabled by default.
[21:53] <viki> hi All, when my machine is booting the ubuntu karmic i am not getting the ubuntu-xsplash-artwork working... can anybody help?
[21:53] <roffe> XDevHald, yes
[21:53] <XDevHald> roffe: It's not in upstream yet
[21:53] <akio> If they can't ping you something is borked and I'm sure it is probably your fault.
[21:53] <Whitor> akio, there absolutely are firewall rules enabled by default.
[21:53] <Whitor> clean install
[21:54] <akio> but pinging is not an issue on clean installs
[21:54] <roffe> XDevHald, ah, ok... does that usually take long? because I don't want to download an iso
[21:54] <akio> not unless you are running a BSD box or something.
[21:54] <akio> i gotta bounce
[21:55] <akio> good luck
[21:55] <XDevHald> roffe: It SHOULD be an overnight build.
[21:55] <Whitor> I installed two days ago. I havn't had time to change anything
[21:55] <XDevHald> Right now the DVD is 3.9GB and I am hoping that the beta won't hit the stream that big I don't think
[21:55] <myk_robinson> In Karmic with all updates run, I am unable to disable hardware acceleration in the flash player, it just causes the flash app to freeze. Can anyone duplicate this? Right click a flash video on YouTube or something, go to Settings, and see if the settings dialog works for you, please
[21:56] <XDevHald> One sec myk
[21:57] <XDevHald> myk_robinson: Yes it does work
[21:57] <domjohnson> Has anyone seen bug number 1 on launchpad?
[21:57] <myk_robinson> XDevHald: are you able to disable the hardware accelleration?
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> myk_robinson: try without compiz, works ok in metacity just fine
[21:57] <XDevHald> Yes I am able to.
[21:57] <amortvigil> whos downloading the beta torrent, i only got 2 seeders/peers
[21:58] <XDevHald> I am running compiz and it is work great.
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> myk_robinson: i can't in compiz
[21:58] <IdleOne> domjohnson: the one about Microsoft? nope haven't seen that :P
[21:58] <myk_robinson> ActionParsnip: just go into Appearances-->Visual Effects, and select none?
[21:59] <MongoTheMad> the torrent tracker is up?
[21:59] <bucky> myk_robinson, you got intel integrated video?
[21:59] <domjohnson> Still no sound
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> myk_robinson: i went for metacity --replace
[21:59] <myk_robinson> bucky: no, nvidia 8200
[21:59] <myk_robinson> ActionParsnip: XDevHald: I was able to disable it without Compiz, then turn compiz back on
[22:00] <bp0> amortvigil: i see 12
[22:00] <XDevHald> Hmmm
[22:00] <domjohnson> The cube thing doesnt work for me
[22:00] <bp0> ... wait none of them are 100
[22:00] <MongoTheMad> amortvigil, is the tracker up for torrents?
[22:01] <XDevHald> myk_robinson: Uninstall compiz and the settings manager and try again after a reboot.
[22:01] <XDevHald> Be sure to install compiz again right after.
[22:01] <domjohnson> I have
[22:01] <domjohnson> But how do you actually use the cube?
[22:01] <myk_robinson> XDevHald: do a purge, then reboot, then reinstall?
[22:01] <amortvigil> MongoTheMad: yes
[22:01] <XDevHald> myk_robinson: That will work.
[22:02] <rrva> how to troubleshoot why my mouse is not working in xfree86?
[22:02]  * XDevHald is listing to Anberlin - Feel Good Drag
[22:02] <myk_robinson> XDevHald: will give it a shot, thanks.
[22:02] <XDevHald> Anytime myk
[22:02] <MongoTheMad> amortvigil, I have about 20% on the amd64 iso
[22:02] <amortvigil> MongoTheMad: thats the one im downloading too
[22:02] <rrva> i had it working recently (touchpad), but after upgrade it went
[22:02] <MongoTheMad> cd?
[22:02] <amortvigil> dvd
[22:02] <bp0> i only see dvds in the list
[22:02] <amortvigil> there is only dvd
[22:03] <XDevHald> hehe
[22:03] <MongoTheMad> nah, I am on the cd
[22:03] <yofel> rrva: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (the lines with EE)
[22:03] <XDevHald> Odd huh
[22:03] <bp0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[22:03] <XDevHald> The reason why is because of the format size
[22:03] <IdleOne> I am getting a tracker error from torrent
[22:03] <MongoTheMad> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[22:04] <MongoTheMad> linked from the main ubuntu site
[22:04] <MongoTheMad> no seeders x_x
[22:04] <rrva> yofel: no. just some lines about "Macintosh mouse button emulation" listed. I don't have a mac..
[22:04] <XDevHald> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[22:04] <XDevHald> This is for the Desktop users
[22:04] <XDevHald> BETA  CD^
[22:04] <bp0> good
[22:05] <bp0> cd is better
[22:05] <XDevHald> Now how about the UPSTREAM!
[22:05]  * XDevHald shakes his head...
[22:05] <MongoTheMad> I know
[22:05] <MongoTheMad> :/
[22:06] <rrva> yofel: what to check, i think i have evdev xf86 input driver
[22:06] <domjohnson> Im going on crunchbang
[22:06] <kn100|afk> ?!
[22:06] <yofel> rrva: not sure, can you pastebin the log? 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[22:06] <XDevHald> I hope Ubuntu doesn't tear away update-manager -d to burning CD's or getting them mailed to you...
[22:08] <XDevHald> Server pop?
[22:09] <rrva> http://pastebin.com/f7853cce2
[22:09] <yofel> rrva: thx, looking at it
[22:10] <MongoTheMad> Anyone else getting the "Requested download is not authorized" error on karmic 9.10 beta (cd)
[22:10] <kaddi_> hmm sound is coming and going with karmic. :/
[22:10] <XDevHald> One sec Mongo
[22:11] <XDevHald> MongoTheMad: Working fine
[22:11] <XDevHald> Clear cache and try again
[22:12] <XDevHald> P.S The mirror for AMD64 is VERY slow
[22:12] <amortvigil> Hmmm the cd image torrent link seems to be broken!
[22:12] <MongoTheMad> how would I do that?
[22:12] <XDevHald> MongoTheMad: What browser?
[22:13] <rxd> anyone running karmic on usb?
[22:13] <yofel> rrva: can't find nothing wrong too, what PC or mouse type do you use?
[22:13] <rrva> touchpad
[22:13] <MongoTheMad> I downloaded the torrent and am running it locally
[22:13] <XDevHald> Ah ok
[22:14] <XDevHald> I'd grab the Beta but I'll wait for the 29th
[22:14] <rrva> /dev/input/by-path lists a mouse
[22:14] <rxd> i want to squeeze karmic to say 100mb i mean filesystem.squashfs is it possible?
[22:14] <XDevHald> w/b roffe
[22:14] <roffe> thanks XDevHald
[22:15] <XDevHald> Yw
[22:15] <roffe> unfortunately I don't come back from an upgrade
[22:15] <XDevHald> roffe: How were you upgrading?
[22:15] <zicada> lovin the speed of gnome of late
[22:15] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[22:15] <yofel> rrva: well, I'm not sure, but you could try to force the synaptics driver in xorg.conf, I don't know the exact way to do it though
[22:16] <roffe> I'm trying update manager, but it doesn't find anything to download
[22:16] <Umeaboy> I know that the beat is supposed to break, but I get sector-errors when I login. Does that always mean that the HDD is about to brake?
[22:16] <Umeaboy> break
[22:16] <roffe> not even update-manager -d
[22:16] <commander__> hey so far so good
[22:16] <yofel> roffe: what are you using right now?
[22:16] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy:  when you log in?  or do you mean on boot up?
[22:16] <XDevHald> w00t upstream release update-manager and the core for it. Might be for beta :-p
[22:17] <Umeaboy> Login.
[22:17] <roffe> yofel, alpha 6
[22:17] <Knifeyspooney> Does anybody know what it means when AppArmor has a profile in "complain mode"?
[22:17] <yofel> roffe: then just update as usual and you'll have the beta
[22:17] <roffe> yofel, nothing happens
[22:17] <yofel> roffe: alpha6 + update == beta
[22:18] <Umeaboy> Palimsest is the program I'm looking at now.
[22:18] <roffe> sure, but nothing's been updated
[22:18] <XDevHald> roffe: Do update-manager -d as upstream is handing out upgrade for update-manager-core and the manager it self.
[22:18] <yofel> XDevHald: he's using alpha6
[22:18] <XDevHald> Ahh My apologies
[22:19] <len> Is there usually this much pent up demand for a beta release?  My mirror is really getting hammered--it's about 100x slower than usual.
[22:19] <yofel> roffe: that's ok, there won't be any big display like 'welcome to beta'.
[22:19] <roffe> well, I did get one upgrade, but it was only about 1 mb
[22:19] <Martyn> len : Yes.
[22:19] <yofel> roffe: like I said, if you kept your system up-to-date then you already have the beta
[22:19] <Knifeyspooney> I'm curious as well, I don't have any updates available and haven't had an update for 16 hours after updating through apt-get
[22:20] <yofel> roffe: it's not like all packages are replaced for it
[22:20] <Martyn> len : In fact, I'm going to launch about 10 more amazon AWS cloud instances to handle the load
[22:21] <Martyn> len : I know as -soon- as the cd image exists, it's going to be a madhouse of downloading.   Torrents become a very viable option :)
[22:21] <xguru> roffe: don't feel bad i was up to date 2days ago...nothing to update...and today still nothing....your already current like myself
[22:21] <len> I guess that's a good thing.   Too be that popular.  :)
[22:21] <len> To be
[22:21] <MongoTheMad> XDevHald, are you sure the tracker is not broken?
[22:21] <roffe> yofel, ok, but I haven't seen any updates, unless it does it in the background
[22:21] <kaddi_> anyone able to watch this movie for 5minutes without loosing sound or it freezing? http://www.wisevid.com/view_video.php?viewkey=gzojntwbfg6dth684848#
[22:21] <XDevHald> It shouldn't be Mongo.
[22:22] <kulight> ההתקנה מוסיפה את המאגרים
[22:22] <roffe> I have to take you guys word for it
[22:22] <XDevHald> Like we can read that.
[22:22] <Knifeyspooney> Does anybody know what it means when AppArmor has a profile in "complain mode"?
[22:23] <len> Does the same thing happen with alpha releases, or are there just a huge number of people that hold out for beta, and just can't wait to get it.
[22:23] <xguru> roffe: nah, just go and download the beta form the site and reinstall :)
[22:23] <roffe> xguru, I'm certainly considering it :)
[22:23] <Martyn> len : The latter
[22:23]  * yofel wonders why all people think they have to do some BIG action to get the beta...
[22:24] <xguru> roffe: yea me to, i want ext4...  i'm on ext3 still
[22:24] <MongoTheMad> I want to try something with my desktop from my laptop (remote ssh)
[22:24] <MongoTheMad> well with x window
[22:24] <roffe> yofel, is there a way to tell what you're running?
[22:24] <Martyn> Im sad that we don't have a grub2 bootsplash though
[22:25] <mbeierl> Martyn: did you ever figure out the grub2 not booting problem from yesterday or earlier?  I was afraid to reboot after your report, but my grub survived all updates for the past few days just fine...
[22:25] <xguru> roffe: cat /etc/issue
[22:25] <yofel> roffe: not that I know of, the beta today won't be much different than the alpha from yesterday
[22:26] <xguru> roffe: here is another command: lsb_release -a
[22:26] <xguru> roffe: either one only says basically "ubuntu karmic (development branch)
[22:27] <xguru> no build numbers
[22:27] <yofel> xguru: bug 321528 has info on how to upgrade ext3 to ext4
[22:27] <commander__> hey 9.10 so far it's badass!
[22:28] <amortvigil> commander__: its no diff than alpha 6 is it?
[22:29] <zicada> freakin flashplayer keeps crashing
[22:29] <commander__> well i dl a6 a minute b4 the beta release and i rebooted it and sudo apt-get update n upgrade
[22:30] <duffydack> I dont know if its FF 3.5, radeon driver or flash thats making it useless scrolling a page with a video playing.
[22:30] <duffydack> jaunty is fine.
[22:31] <Knifeyspooney> What does it mean when a program is in "complain mode" on Apparmor? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/283326/plain/
[22:31] <mercutio22> I just upgraded on my notebook. I don't see the new UNR interface. How come?
[22:33] <xguru> yofel: thanks
[22:33] <bp0> torrent is really slow
[22:33] <sled> hello
[22:33] <sled> I thought 9.10 is already in beta state, isn't it?
[22:33] <mercutio22> shouldn't I have the new features by upgrading?
[22:33] <mercutio22> is this expected?
[22:34] <XDevHald> mercutio22: We have no clue, but the answer should be "Yes" you should.
[22:36] <kavurt> my karmic cannot see wireless. it was working on jaunty. can anyone help?
[22:36] <yofel> kavurt: what card do you have?
[22:37] <MongoTheMad> sled, it is in beta
[22:37] <voss> How come karma in the update is still listing the ALPHA
[22:37] <kavurt> I have nvidia motherboard yofel
[22:38] <mercutio22> XDevHald: how can I verify I have successfully upgraded?
[22:38] <yofel> kavurt: run 'lspci' in a terminal and give us the line where it tells you the wireless chipset, otherwise helping you would be pure guessing
[22:38] <XDevHald> mercutio22: System > About Ubuntu
[22:39] <XDevHald> It'll say Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Beta
[22:39] <XDevHald> bbiab
[22:39] <Umeaboy> mercutio22: If the upgrade-process doesn't stop, you're successfull.
[22:39] <kavurt> http://pastebin.ca/1588404 yofel
[22:40] <yofel> kavurt: get yourself a wired connection if possible or try to install 'bcmwl-kernel-source' some other way
[22:42] <roffe> If add/remove is not supposed to be part of the beta, then I've still got the alpha
[22:42] <Knifeyspooney> What does it mean when a program is in "complain mode" on Apparmor? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/283326/plain/ Should ntpd be in complain mode or can I remove it?
[22:42] <voss> When I run update-manager -d the version of 9.10 it offered me is still alpha
[22:43] <kavurt> yofel: I installed bcmwl-kernel-source. should I reboot?
[22:43] <yofel> kavurt: yes
[22:43] <Knifeyspooney> voss: try updating your package info -- 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:44] <mercutio22> about ubuntu says its jaunty jackalope!
[22:45] <Jaymac> ummm
[22:45] <bucky> mercutio22, cat /etc/lsb-release
[22:45] <Jaymac> i selected try ubuntu netbook without installing, get to the login screen and can't login - i thought the default username and pw were both ubuntu
[22:45] <Jaymac> anyone got any ideas?
[22:45] <MongoTheMad> Is anyone downloading on the torrent right now?
[22:46] <voss> I think the problem is my local mirror hasnt updated yet
[22:46] <kavurt> yofel: thanks it's working now. is it a bug? should I report it?
[22:47] <yofel> kavurt: no, it's not a bug, the driver was previously in linux-restricted-modules which was dropped due to lincensing issues
[22:47] <mercutio22> bucky: http://paste.ubuntu.com/283337/
[22:47] <mercutio22> jaunty it is
[22:47] <kavurt> ok. thanks
[22:47] <mercutio22> let me try upgrading again
[22:48] <Jaymac> has anyone else run into htis problem?
[22:49] <kaddi_> are there some known issues with sound and flash in karmic?
[22:49] <mercutio22> Jaymac: what happened? I didn't get that quite right
[22:49] <apparle> does the ati support improve in 9.10 for legacy ards
[22:49] <apparle> *cards
[22:49] <bucky> mercutio22, update-manager -c -d
[22:49] <Jaymac> mercutio22, i am trying to install unr on a netbook... i selected the option "try ubuntu..."
[22:49] <bucky> mercutio22, sudo update-manager -c -d
[22:49] <Jaymac> it loads up, takes me to the login screen and i have to enter a username and pw to login
[22:50] <Jaymac> i tried ubuntu for both, which used to be the default i think, but that didn't work
[22:50] <voss> The usf ubuntu mirror is out of date
[22:50] <bucky> mercutio22, sudo apt-get install update-manager sudo update-manager -c -d
[22:50] <mercutio22> bucky: I am already half way without the -c flag. Whats that for?
[22:50] <bucky> nm
[22:50] <mercutio22> Jaymac: and you can't login?
[22:50] <ChogyDan> bucky: not the -d flag.  That's for upgrading to karmic
[22:51] <Jaymac> nope
[22:51] <Jaymac> very weird
[22:51] <ChogyDan> bucky: oops, nvm, wc
[22:51] <Jaymac> Amaranth, you about?  Do you know the default username and password on a live cd/usb?
[22:51] <mercutio22> Jaymac: do you already have ubuntu installed
[22:51] <Amaranth> Jaymac: ubuntu/ubuntu
[22:51] <mercutio22> ?
[22:51] <bucky> mercutio22, according to man update-manager  -c, --check-dist-upgrades Check if a new distribution release is available
[22:51] <Jaymac> Amaranth, it isn't working for me on UNR beta
[22:52] <Amaranth> UNR might be different, no idea
[22:52] <Jaymac> ok
[22:52] <Amaranth> it should log in automatically from a LiveCD/USB
[22:52] <mercutio22> Jaymac: isn't or numlock or capslock toggled?
[22:53] <Jaymac> Amaranth, it has dumped me to the login screen after I selected "try ubuntu without  making changes..."
[22:53] <Amaranth> guess they're still working out the bugs on that one :)
[22:54] <Jaymac> it would seem so
[22:54] <Amaranth> Jaymac: just boot to the installer
[22:54] <Jaymac> tried that first time and it crashed :)
[22:54] <Brian___> the new install screen is sexy  nice job A+
[22:55] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Now Totem froze for me.
[22:55] <Umeaboy> No crash.
[22:55] <Umeaboy> Weird.
[22:56] <Umeaboy> I had to force it to quit.
[22:58] <Amaranth> Umeaboy: This is known, problem with the BBC plugin and python threads
[22:58] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[22:59] <Umeaboy> Amaranth: Do you know how to fix the PM-timer bug that's on the chipset?
[23:00] <Amaranth> No.
[23:00] <Amaranth> I'm a graphics guy :P
[23:00] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[23:00] <Amaranth> graphics/desktop
[23:00] <Umeaboy> But you know that it exists, right?
[23:01] <Amaranth> No.
[23:01] <Umeaboy> I'm afraid to flash my bios even thou I've got the right file.
[23:01] <Umeaboy> But I still want to do it.
[23:02] <vigo> Umeaboy: On Karmic?
[23:02] <Umeaboy> vigo: Well, yes & no.
[23:02] <Umeaboy> I think it's best to use Winblows for that.
[23:02] <Umeaboy> Since it's an exe-file.
[23:03] <Umeaboy> Correct?
[23:03] <habanany> karmic koala beta is out
[23:03] <kaddi_> and it finally got to the german mirrors :p
[23:03] <vigo> Umeaboy: I would be very careful on that, it is a system wide change, but that is what backups are for.
[23:03] <Umeaboy> habanany: How do I know if I have Koala?
[23:04] <habanany> i need help
[23:04] <yofel_> !ask | habanany
[23:04] <Umeaboy> I've looked at About Gnome & About Ubuntu, but nothing is shown.
[23:04] <kaddi_> type lsb_release -a into a command line
[23:05] <habanany> http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu-releases/9.10/
[23:05] <Umeaboy> kaddi_: Karmic.
[23:05] <Umeaboy> Development branch.
[23:05] <kaddi_> so you have karmic koala :)
[23:05] <habanany> which one to download
[23:05] <Umeaboy> habanany: The one for your arch.
[23:07] <vigo> This one reports Ubuntu karmic (development branch) 9.10 Karmic.
[23:08] <wastrel> hi hi hi
[23:08] <wastrel> i have koala
[23:08] <Raydiation> i just installed alpha 6 and upgraded the system
[23:08] <voss> Some of the mirrors have not gotten the beta yet
[23:08] <Raydiation> is it normal that i dont see any picture when booting up?
[23:09] <MaximLevitsky> Raydiation, me nether
[23:09] <BUGabundo> what image?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> its supposed to be sooooo fast
[23:09] <Raydiation> ye
[23:09] <MaximLevitsky> usplash here
[23:09] <BUGabundo> that you don't see anything
[23:09] <Raydiation> but a friend of mine got a splash
[23:09] <Raydiation> a black image with a grey ubuntu sign
[23:09] <vigo> I have a neato looking Ubuntu Karmic , is angled, but that is part of the usplash thing I think.
[23:09] <Umeaboy> Is there an easy way to Flash the bios when I'm in Linux?
[23:10] <Raydiation> and it doesnt boot fast at all
[23:10] <kaddi_> how do I get the old kaffeine back? 0.8 or something, instead of 1.0?
[23:10] <MaximLevitsky> Umeaboy: if your vendor supports it, it might distribute an iso image you just burn to cd
[23:10] <Raydiation> MaximLevitsky: do i have to install usplash?
[23:11] <vigo> Raydiation: let me look....
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> Raydiation: I have usplash, it just seems to be disabled
[23:11] <roffe> Is Add/Remove supposed to be part of the beta?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> roffe: no
[23:11] <MaximLevitsky> Umeaboy: then you boot from this cd, and bios is reflashed automaticly
[23:12] <habanany> what's arch?
[23:12] <roffe> Then it's as I thought - it's not updated..
[23:12] <BUGabundo> habanany: a rolling distro
[23:12] <yofel_> habanany: architecture, like i686,amd64,armel...
[23:12] <BUGabundo> or what yofel_ said :)
[23:12] <Raydiation> if i update my alpha 6 its beta right?
[23:12] <Raydiation> without any differences
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Raydiation:
[23:12] <BUGabundo> no
[23:12] <BUGabundo> you get what ever is on your repo at that time
[23:13] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:13] <BUGabundo> Raydiation:  roffe: ^^^^^^^^
[23:13] <Raydiation> you never know :P
[23:13] <vigo> Betas are here, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta, that is official Ubuntu/Canonical
[23:13] <habanany> you speak Chinese to me and i dont even speak English. ill find out by myself
[23:13] <maxflax> updated to Karmic and Networkmanager stopped working
[23:13] <Umeaboy> MaximLevitsky: No, it's an exe-file.
[23:13] <Lazy> updated to karmic from jaunty and everything else seems to be fine except audio is not working
[23:13] <Brian___> i just installed karmic and its not picking up my wifi signaland under hardware drivers nothing is there
[23:14] <Lazy> any tips what i should check first?
[23:14] <Brian___> broadcom 9413
[23:14] <MaximLevitsky> Umeaboy: then look at vendor site for .iso
[23:14] <yofel> habanany: what CPU do you have in your pc?
[23:14] <maxflax> Is that a known problem with the networkmanager?
[23:14] <habanany> i have intel
[23:14] <vigo> Lazy: Pulse installed?
[23:14] <Lazy> yep
[23:14] <Umeaboy> http://support.euro.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?MaximLevitsky: c=se&l=sv&s=gen&deviceid=308&libid=1&releaseid=R67246&vercnt=7&formatcnt=0&SystemID=DIM_PNT_P4_4550&servicetag=&os=NAA&osl=se&catid=-1&impid=-1
[23:14] <yofel> habanany: what model? pentium, core2duo, atom?
[23:14] <Brian___> my wifi isnt workingh
[23:14] <habanany> centrino
[23:15] <Umeaboy> There isn't any, just thoose exe-files.
[23:15] <maxflax> Brian___ then we are in the same boat
[23:15] <Brian___> ya
[23:15] <FinnTux> found the right channel. so is there any requirements to install karmic on iscsi disk? I just tested booting beta CD on a diskless machine but no iscsi
[23:15] <yofel> habanany: are you running ubuntu right now? can you run 'uname -m' ?
[23:15] <habanany> have a question, koala bet fix in cd?
[23:16] <habanany> no . i running w7
[23:16] <Brian___> my network manager works i think , i just think the broadcom drivers arent installed
[23:16] <habanany> sorry
[23:16] <vigo> Lazy: Alsa and all or any drivers that the hardware may depend on?
[23:16] <Raydiation> BUGabundo: hm ye, nothing less, nothing more :)
 sounds like my problem aswell
[23:16] <Lazy> vigo:  here is my aplay -l http://pastebin.com/m742c700a
[23:16] <maxflax> says my Wifi is disabled
[23:16] <Umeaboy> habanany: Tried using Virtualbox? That's a good alternative.
[23:16] <Brian___> hmm
[23:17] <Brian___> well we need some help[
[23:17] <yofel> habanany: well, use the i686 desktop cd if you want to try it, that will work
[23:17] <yofel> habanany: *i386
[23:17] <Lazy> from preferences -> audio -> hardware i can see that sb audigy is the output device
[23:18] <maxflax> actually it says that Wifi mode is deactivated - but the checkbox for it is grayed out so I cant turn it on
[23:18] <habanany> how about unebootin
[23:18] <MaximLevitsky> Umeaboy: floppies?? they are mad aren't they?
[23:18] <Lazy> http://img340.imageshack.us/i/screenshotsoundpreferen.png/
[23:18] <Brian___> my wifi mode is turned on but it just cant find the wifi signal
[23:19] <natewiebe13> when is usplash being turned back on instead of a text-only boot?
[23:19] <Umeaboy> MaximLevitsky: Yes.
[23:19] <Jaymac> Amaranth, turns out one of my files got corrupted when writing the image - rewrote it and everything working fine now :)
[23:20] <maxflax> Can Anyone tell me where the conf file for the networkmanager is at.. thought I might erase that sob and try a reboot
[23:21] <MaximLevitsky> maxflax, one half in gconf, other in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[23:22] <natewiebe13> anyone have usplash starting on boot?
[23:23] <vigo> Lazy: I cannot at this time see any errors in that, except the last ImageShack post, is set to Analog? I do not see where that is wrong or right, let me research that a bit more.
[23:23] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: that should only happen if you have an encrypted disk
[23:23] <Whitor> I came back to take back the remarks I wrote earlier... 9.04 doesn't suck
[23:24] <habanany> hey brother , we the newbies need a cherokee list with more details
 - ok, cause I think my problem is that I selected to keep my config file in the upgrade to karmic.
[23:25] <Lazy> vigo: yes i have analog outputs to the amplifier
[23:25] <Lazy> vigo: it worked perfectly in jaunty
[23:26] <natewiebe13> how about "dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: bad file descriptor" from gdebi package installer
[23:26] <vigo> Lazy: ah, ok, that just looked like it could conflict or cause one as this is still beta, have you looked at Launchpad on that yet?
[23:27] <yofel> natewiebe13: known, fix in progress
[23:27] <Brian___> i found a file bcmwl-kernel that wasnt isntalled so im installing it and i hope this will fix my bcm4312 broadcom wifi issues  maybe you maxflax should try
[23:27] <yofel> natewiebe13: use dpkg in a terminal instead
[23:27] <natewiebe13> yofel: awesome
[23:27] <fuminori> Hi, I was wondering if anyone else was having trouble with install and getting "Cannot read from Boot CD" or if I just did a bad burn
[23:27] <natewiebe13> yofel: i have been
[23:27] <maxflax> Brian___> I check it out
[23:28] <natewiebe13> would text-only mode on boot have to do with running vga from an nvidia card instead of dvI??
[23:28] <vigo> fuminori: Did the MD5 check out?
[23:28] <Blizzerand> Is there any minimal CD for install Ubuntu Beta ( ie Netinstall)
[23:28] <bjsnider> no
[23:28] <Blizzerand> was that to me
[23:28] <fuminori> vigo: Didn't think to check, hang on
[23:29] <natewiebe13> Amaranth: would text-only mode on boot have to do with running vga from an nvidia card instead of dvI??
[23:29] <vigo> fuminori: ok.
[23:29] <Amaranth> natewiebe13: No, everyone is getting text until xsplash
[23:29] <Brian___> i like the new black and while start screen
[23:29] <bjsnider> natewiebe13, no
[23:29] <Amaranth> The idea is to make xsplash start fast enough to take over for usplash
[23:30] <Amaranth> Blizzerand: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[23:30] <bjsnider> maybe a black scren until then?
[23:30] <Amaranth> Blizzerand: you want the mini.sio
[23:30] <natewiebe13> alright.. because i see usplash at shutdown
[23:30] <Amaranth> err, mini.iso
[23:30] <Amaranth> and don't worry, the beta ISOs are all from the 28th
[23:30] <natewiebe13> i would like to get rid of text on startup somehow
[23:31] <Blizzerand> Amaranth : Thanks
[23:31] <Brian___> maxflax: that fixed my wifi issue in synaptic download the bcm broadcom kernel
[23:31] <Raydiation> how do i activate usplash?
[23:31] <Blizzerand> Amarnath : Are you sure it can install beta
[23:32] <vigo> Amaranth: Is that mini.iso the same as alternate install or am I just too confused?
[23:33] <Crashbit> natewiebe13: the boot process show errors, maybe because it does not splash on your screen
[23:33] <Blizzerand> vigo : mini.iso is different . Similar to netinstall and the iso image is small
[23:33] <Amaranth> vigo: It's the alternative install but it gets all the packages from the net
[23:33] <Amaranth> Instead of just installing them from the disc
[23:33] <vigo> Thank you.
[23:35] <Amaranth> vigo: To be honest I don't understand the point of it
[23:35] <Amaranth> With debian sid the point is obvious, net install is going to grab the latest packages
[23:35] <Amaranth> But with ubuntu beta and final package updates are slow or non-existent
[23:36] <xguru> its so funny how slow the download/updates are compared to a normal day :)
[23:36] <trappist> I just upgraded yesterday, and now I only get audio in KDE apps.  anybody else seen this?
[23:36] <vigo> Package Usplash is here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/usplash or from terminal.
[23:36] <trappist> I don't get any errors, just no sound, except in KDE apps.
[23:37] <Blizzerand> Amaranth : lol , with the help of that mini , I can install things on my PC without the help of a CD . Thanks why I am so dependent on it
[23:37] <MongoTheMad> does the netboot come with a gui?
[23:37] <MongoTheMad> err netinstall
[23:37] <Lazy> vigo: yeah i have been checking the forums and launchpad but haven't found anything yet
[23:38] <cbmuser> anyone here has the same issue with notify-osd that osd-messages appear shifted downwards by approximately the vertical size of the osd window?
[23:38] <trappist> MongoTheMad: I haven't seen it, but it sounds like it's probably modelled after debian's netinstall, in which case no.
[23:38] <MongoTheMad> thanks, trappist
[23:38] <vigo> Amaranth: It kinda makes sense, is Beta, so a Net Install could go all kindsa crazies, I guess, here are the 9.10 Beta releases as I see them today: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[23:39] <blakamin> usplash has been disabled for the time being as it wont be used at boot in the final
[23:39] <cbmuser> http://users.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaubitz/notify2.png
[23:39] <MongoTheMad> can anyone connect to the tracker for the beta torrent? (http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce) does not seem to be working for me
[23:40] <cbmuser> blakamin: no usplash in Ubuntu at all anymore?
[23:40]  * Blizzerand_ is quite tired of wasting portable media
[23:40] <cbmuser> so the bootscreen will be just blank?
[23:40] <blakamin> no... they are trying to get boot faster and smoother using xsplash
[23:40] <cbmuser> hmm
[23:41] <cbmuser> but that needs X already started, right?
[23:41] <blakamin> tahts it... and x is starting about 6 seconds after grub at this stage
[23:41] <blakamin> *that's
[23:41] <cbmuser> what!?
[23:41] <cbmuser> where?
[23:41] <cbmuser> not on my system
[23:41] <blakamin> lol...
[23:42] <blakamin> that's because this is a beta
[23:42] <cbmuser> I really want to see 6 seconds here, that would be awesome
[23:43] <sabayonweb_91075> i have ubuntu 9.10 alpha 6 and love it but when i try to install some deb files they fail to install
[23:43] <blakamin> the idea is to get xsplash to ASAP... then, while you see the xsplash, everything else is getting loaded so you should have a fully functional desktop in 30 seconds or so
[23:44] <Raydiation> ehm
[23:44] <Raydiation> my at is lost
[23:44] <Raydiation> not on keyboard any more
[23:44] <Raydiation> ah
[23:44] <cbmuser> blakamin: hmm, Ubuntu doesn't like kms, obviously
[23:44] <Raydiation> k
[23:44] <Raydiation> fixxed
[23:44] <blakamin> sabayonweb_91075: see my post here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1280059
[23:44] <cbmuser> Raydiation: wanna have an "@" ;)
[23:45] <Blizzerand__> blakamin : So what is the current boot time for your sysem
[23:45] <Raydiation> i chose mac keyboard -.-
[23:45] <blakamin> I can use my desktop in about 40 seconds after "grub loading"
[23:46] <sabayonweb_91075> so can i run jaunty files under kermic kola
[23:46] <fuminori> vigo: Well the md5 gave a ton of I/O errors so I guess I can blame it on cheap CDs
[23:46] <blakamin> and this is on an acer laptop
[23:46] <Lazy> vigo: if you have some ideas send me a private query, because i have to go now. anyways, here is my bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/440260
[23:46] <blakamin> sabayonweb_91075: yup
[23:46] <vigo> Lazy: This one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/382488
[23:46] <sabayonweb_91075> cool
[23:46] <sabayonweb_91075> hold on
[23:47] <vigo> fuminori: I would agree, that is why all *nix distros have that and ask the user to confirm.
[23:47] <Lazy> vigo: volume is at 100%
[23:47] <Lazy> still doesn't work
[23:48] <vigo> Lazy: Okee dokee, then yours is working better than that one, :-), still looking.....
[23:48] <fuminori> I bought a 50 spindle because they were so cheap...
[23:48] <Technoviking> getting error: invalid environment block after installing Karmic beta
[23:49] <Technoviking> at  grub screen
[23:49] <Lazy> vigo: i have to go now, but thanks anyway
[23:50] <vigo> fuminori: May have just been a bad or corrupt net connect , but always check those cheksums, learned that the hard way.
[23:51] <vigo> Lazy: I will keep on this, you have me perplexed now, and you are quite welcome for any assistance that I supplied or failed to.
[23:52] <mark___> I have a quick question, deb packages wont install when you try to add them by double clicking them (it used to work).  Has this feature been disabled to prevent pollution of the bug reporting or has something broke,  Not complaining (I am on beta) just asking
[23:53] <yofel> mark___: bug, being worked on
[23:53] <mark___> thanks.  I am not worried, just interested.
[23:53] <sabayonweb_91075> im still getting issues with deb files can you walk me through it pleas
[23:54] <yofel> sabayonweb_91075: use 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>.deb' on the terminal instead
[23:54] <sabayonweb_91075> how though
[23:54] <mark___> sabayonweb use nicotine-plus in the repos, forget frostwire
[23:55] <yofel> mark___: bug 438266 if you're interested
[23:55] <sabayonweb_91075> i am not using frost wire all i want to do is install a deb file.
[23:55] <sabayonweb_91075> i am still confuesed on the process
[23:55] <yofel> sabayonweb_91075: do you know how to use the terminal?
[23:56] <mark___> its a temporary breakage, be patient
[23:56] <sabayonweb_91075>  a little
[23:56] <bobo> how stable is beta? compared to alpha 6
[23:56] <blakamin> it will probably be sorted in the next few hours
[23:56] <vigo> I have to run to the market, Thank you kindly for the help and assistance....
[23:56] <yofel> sabayonweb_91075: then open the terminal, cd to the place where the debfile is and run 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'
[23:56] <sabayonweb_91075> what do i do
[23:56] <mark___> i love the beta, its been rock solid for me
[23:56] <sabayonweb_91075> ok hold on
[23:57] <blakamin> open terminal
[23:57] <Blizzerand> Is there any program like that of unetbootin , something similar , which can install things ( linux distros) on your OS , without any portable media
[23:57] <bobo> ok cool, i think i might upgrade
[23:57] <sabayonweb_91075> would this be right cd /desktop/clamtk_4.18-1all.deb
[23:57] <blakamin> cd to your folder with your deb in it
[23:57] <yofel> sabayonweb_91075: no, in this case just run 'sudo dpkg -i ~/desktop/clamtk_4.18-1all.deb'
[23:57] <legend2440> i used alpha 6 to install karmic. does it matter?  the upgrades will bring to the stable release right?
[23:57] <blakamin> cd /home/<username>/Desktop
[23:58] <yofel> legend2440: yes
[23:58] <legend2440> yofel: ok thanks
[23:58] <blakamin> then "sudo dpkg -i clamtk_4.18-1all.deb"
[23:59] <mark___> Blizzarand: there is the USB startup disk creator in System > Administration.. I think you'll need to download the ISO too
[23:59] <sabayonweb_91075> i am still haveing issues when getting to my desktop in terminal i run the command sudo dpkg -i ~/desktop/clamtk_4.18-1all.deb and get an error