=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:14] when's the beta going to be released today, roughly === Lars_G is now known as Lars_G_zombie [00:20] Hello guys! after upgrading from jaunty to karmic I can no longer boot.. I get an error about the filesystem [00:21] anyone else get "fsck.ntfs not found" error at boot? [00:22] karmic works great on desktop computer but cant boot on my laptop because of filesystem errors [00:27] rubinoo, could you be more specific? exact error? which filesystem you are using? [00:32] test34: well when I try to boot I get somekind of error about that the filesystem has errors and it says that it has to check it, i have ext3 filesystem [00:33] test34: I did an upgrade not a fresh install [00:34] i am now running of the live cd, could i somehow check the filesystem for errors in the terminal= [00:34] In Karmic, my ath9k-using wireless card gets really intermittent reception. [00:35] rubinoo, yeah [00:35] dholbert: ok how can i do this? :) [00:35] rubinoo, if the broken filesystem is e.g. /dev/sda4, then you'd run "sudo fsck /dev/sda4" in the terminal [00:35] rubinoo, fsck.ext3 /dev/sdaX [00:35] fsck = file system check [00:36] dholbert: yeah thx :) [00:36] (just plain old fsck is better than "fsck.ext3" I think, 'cause it automatically picks the right one to use) [00:37] dholbert: should I unmount the partition first? [00:37] rubinoo, yes [00:37] rubinoo, it won't let you fsck it if it's mounted [00:38] dholbert: okey im checking it right now ! /dev/sda6 contains a file system with errors, check forced [00:38] cool, good luck [00:38] thx :) [00:38] karmic worked great on my desktop computer :) [00:40] anyone knows what this meens?Error reading block 2446527 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) [00:40] rubinoo: it means bin the drive [00:41] normally i'd say it's dying, but i'm going to err on the side of caution and say i'm only mostly sure it's dying. [00:42] rubinoo, maybe a problem with your /etc/fstab [00:42] rubinoo, according to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/fsck.ext3-attempt-to-read-block-from-filesystem-trouble-379551/ [00:42] gonna see what happens :P [00:43] if you dont do anything it wont fix itself [00:44] well I entered "yes" to almost everything [00:44] rubinoo: how many times did that happen? [00:44] rubinoo: that was an fsck message? [00:45] many times :D [00:45] i've seen that message all too many times, and it is NEVER good [00:45] rubinoo: check dmesg | tail [00:45] see if there are i/o errors [00:45] well this laptop is old so i dont really care :p [00:51] does karmic bring apt-url ? [00:51] like, adding a ppa with just an url? [00:53] rubinoo, you could try reformatting the partition and then running "sudo e2fsck -c -c /dev/sda6" [00:54] rubinoo, e2fsck is the ext3 version of fsck (same as fsck.ext3), and "-c -c" means to do a read-write test of every single block [00:54] i've installed karmic 3 times without success. each time i get grub error 15. with old grub i would fix it by pressing Esc at boot and change (hd0,1) to (hd0,0) but Esc doesnt work to get me to the GRUB menu. so i edited the /etc/default/grub file but still cant get grub menu. any ideas? [00:54] rubinoo (a single -c just means to try to *read* every block, but -c -c will both read & write & then restore the original contents of every block) [00:55] rubinoo, that's a good way to see if the drive itself is bad vs. if it's just that your filesystem is horked [00:57] legend2440, your changes don't make a difference unless you use "update-grub" to get them into /boot/grub/grub.cfg [00:58] legend2440, I think you need to effectively change "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=" to something nonzero (say, 5 for 5seconds), and then run update-grub, and then you should have 5 seconds at boot-time during which you can press "Esc" to get to a grub menu [00:58] Hello again guys! hihih It works now :) [00:58] dholbert: ok did not know that . thanks. is Esc at boot still used to get into grub menu? [00:58] thx 4 your help [00:58] legend2440, yeah [00:58] Rubinioo, are you the same as rubinoo? [00:58] dholbert: ok thanks [00:59] dholbert: yes i am :) [00:59] legend2440, are you able to get to a booted system so that update-grub will actually work though? [00:59] legend2440, (i.e. with your /boot partition mounted) [00:59] Rubinioo, glad it worked :) I'd recommend reformatting that partition if it had a ton of errors, btw [01:00] dholbert: no i edited the /etc/default/grub file from the Livecd [01:00] legend2440, ok, simply running "update-grub" there probably won't work [01:00] dholbert: can i edit the grub.cfg file directly? [01:01] yeah -- I'm looking at what you want to change [01:01] dholbert: ok thanks [01:04] dholbert: i think i want to change set root - hd0,1 to set root= hd0,0 or something like that [01:06] legend2440, http://paste.ubuntu.com/282553/ [01:07] legend2440, that's the change made to my /boot/grub/grub.cfg when I change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 4 in /etc/default/grub [01:11] dholbert: ok thanks. can i trouble you with one more question? when i'm installing karmic there is an Advanced button that opens a Grub installer box. it is by default set to (hd0) and i've tried that setting 3 times without success. i was wondering if i change that setting to sdb or sdb1 which is my ubuntu drive and ubuntu partition if that would eliminate the grub 15 error? [01:11] legend2440, I've only ever accepted the default there [01:11] legend2440, but if it's suggesting values like "hd0", you definitely don't want "sda" or "sdb" [01:11] legend2440, grub uses a different drive-naming scheme from what linux uses [01:12] dholbert: ok i see. thanks for all your help. i guess i'll try installing again [01:13] legend2440, also, if grub is running (albeit failing), then I think it means that box is set to the right value [01:13] legend2440, no prob, good luck! [01:13] dholbert: thanks [01:16] Hey, when I boot up Ubuntu I get a warning that flashes somewhat quickly, I didn't catch much of it but it was about apparmor and /usr/sbin/ntpd. I ran 'aa-status' and got: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282560/ . How do I fix this? [01:17] I mean, how do I fix the complain mode part? That is the warning appearing on boot [01:19] anyone there? [01:26] hmm, sreadahead spits out a bunch of "unable to find a suitable fs" [01:26] ... and then aborts with exit status 1. [01:27] anyone...? [01:27] Hey, when I boot up Ubuntu I get a warning that flashes somewhat quickly, I didn't catch much of it but it was about apparmor and /usr/sbin/ntpd. I ran 'aa-status' and got: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/282560/ . How do I fix the complain mode warning? [01:32] Is there a beta yet? :) [01:33] yah yah [01:33] Soo, where can I get it? :) [01:34] I wanna try it out [01:34] you testn?????? [01:34] hey [01:34] lol [01:34] sry [01:34] just got up [01:34] shes out in 1 month [01:35] The time is 02:34 here in sweden, so Its October 1stz And the KarmicReleaseSchedule says that beta should be out today [01:36] i meant (au 10:35am thur 1 oct) the full release [01:36] huh? How many hours is it until then? [01:36] are release cycles to short????? [01:37] thats now [01:37] hang on ill get link [01:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule <-- That page tells me that beta release should be today [01:38] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [01:38] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [01:38] And the link to the "beta" is broken: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta [01:38] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [01:38] Nice, thanks :) [01:38] see testing procedures [01:40] I have realy never beeing intrested in ubuntu betas before, but I have been running alpha for some weeks now, do get some newer packages. [01:40] you could use proposed and backport repos.... [01:40] on the stable [01:41] version [01:41] if ya live in alpha ya never really get to a stable [01:41] weird... at boot I get a lot of spew of "no suitable fs found in /proc/mounts, perhaps not mounted?" [01:41] I want the kernel mode setting stuff for intel too, and stuff works pretty great on my EeePC [01:41] With 9.10 Alpha [01:43] Etu: the beta is released somewhere between 00h & 24h on Thursday Oct 1st, in an unspecified timezone, which means there is 47h period in which it can be released ;-) [01:44] I haven't seen any recent updates for packages on the CD though, so most likely the last daily will be the beta [01:45] JanC: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <-- :) [01:45] yeah, those are the beta candidates [01:46] and thus most likely also the betas [01:46] unless somebody found a bug that burns up 50% of all tester's computers ;-) [01:47] open("/dev/snd/pcmC1D1p", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [01:47] stupid a52 alsa plugin. [01:51] hi [01:51] which package contains gnome3? [01:51] is there a desktop metapackage? [01:54] I didn't know gnome3 was out yet. [01:54] AFAIK, gnome 3 might be released in lucid lynx 10.04 [01:55] i might be wrong [01:55] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnome-3 [01:58] KnifeySpooney: i think your right, since this release is around 2.28 [01:58] lubosz: Try this: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-install-gnome-shell-intrepid-jaunty.html [01:59] musikgoat: I actually just read some articles, and apparently gnome3.0 is planend to be released /by default/ in 10.04, but I think you can install gnome3 manually on earlier versions of ubuntu [02:00] KnifeySpooney: lubosz: i think that gnome3 has to be alpha'ed by gnome.org first though :) [02:01] musikgoat: Probably, but I have no intention of upgrading so i don't mind .. I like the current gnome :D [02:01] KnifeySpooney: it sure is looking good... I've tried other things but I just keep coming back [02:02] kde4s getn better [02:02] tahan itself === Lars_G_zombie is now known as Lars_G [02:03] I've tried KDE, but I can't get used to that layout. Gnome seems much more organized in my opinion [02:03] m [02:04] Anybody have any insight on my problem with AppArmor? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8033084 [02:06] KnifeySpooney: i already did this, but i'm in xubuntu ^^ [02:06] i upgraded my jaunty xubuntu vm [02:06] and it crashes :p [02:06] so i wonder which gnome to install [02:06] 2.28? [02:07] for the latest gnome or 3.0? [02:07] musikgoat: so this statement is wrong? http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/247/10-things-new-about-ubuntu-karmic-koala-worth-taking-note-of [02:07] KnifeySpooney: gnome 3 in karmic [02:08] "The GNOME 2.30 release, which will be about a year and a half from now based on GNOME's standard six-month release cycle, is what the developers have decided to call GNOME 3.0." [02:08] lubosz: thats actually a demo of gnome-shell [02:08] ^ that was posted on July 14, 2009 [02:09] lubosz: and tbh, that doesn't look all that interesting... [02:09] oh my, a pop out menu... [02:10] the music was decent though :P [02:11] hi everybody [02:11] lubosz: and that article must be old, cause it still references empathy as the default messenger... which was changed [02:11] k [02:11] then i just try gnome 2.28 with gnome-shell [02:11] or gnome 3 from git ^^ [02:11] lubosz: sounds good :) [02:11] got some problems with my computer.. upgraded all packages yesterday and now my computer boots up in single user mode! and is logged in as root as default. [02:11] what can i do about it? [02:12] Orfeous: you could try dist-upgrade if you didn't do that [02:12] do you have grub 2 Orfeous? [02:12] hmm.. [02:12] some services doesnt start also.. i must start them manually. [02:12] are you booting the safe mode in your boot manager? [02:13] this sounds like safe mode ubuntu Orfeous [02:13] check your menu.lst [02:13] or grub2 config [02:13] if you installed that [02:13] no, i boot as normally.. but i had problems some days ago so i had to boot into safe-mode and boot with "netboot" [02:13] does karmic fall back into safe mode automatically? [02:13] maybe the upgrade messed with your boot config [02:14] which it surely did, cause its a new kernel [02:14] when i choose my newest kernel in the grub boot menu it boots up and starts gdm.. and i can login.. [02:14] this is what you should do [02:14] and remove the old kernels [02:14] but i cant open any console shells like before with CTRL+F1, CTRL+F2 etc.. [02:14] maybe there are version collisions [02:15] karmic is build on newer kernel than jaunty [02:15] So, how are we looking for the midnight release? [02:15] if i press CTRL+F2 there are just a black screen and nothing more.. and if i press CTRL+F1 i got into gnome again :) [02:15] Anything showstopper enough to stop us from going Beta-1? [02:16] lubosz, i have upgraded karmic packages and kernels many times [02:16] ah ok [02:16] and i have tried older kernels also but its the same issue i have with the single-user-mode [02:16] did you read your kernel log? [02:17] is this an bug or a feture [02:17] yes, of course.. but i couldnt find any specific erros... [02:17] why would you want to boot older kernels anyway? [02:17] i can try upload it when i come home tomorrow.. [02:18] just to see if that fixed the problems but it didnt ;) [02:18] but newest kernel boots and starts xserver? [02:18] yes [02:18] maybe you should wait for the beta :D [02:19] so what is wrong about that ^^ [02:19] !info software-center [02:19] i know that i got some udev errors but they dissapearded after some packages upgrade :D [02:19] software-center (source: software-center): Utility for browsing, installing, and removing applications. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.3 (karmic), package size 189 kB, installed size 1244 kB [02:19] Orfeous: maybe you should try grub2 [02:19] i read that it is installed by default in karmic [02:20] hmm, i guess that is the underlying tool for add/remove... [02:20] i already use that in jaunty [02:20] hmm [02:20] i boot grub2 from grub1 [02:20] because i didnt figure out how to boot osx from grub2 [02:20] hehe [02:21] config of grub2 is a pain in the ass if you dont know it [02:21] it is generated [02:21] so you dont write any config, but generator scripts [02:21] very intuitive [02:21] lubosz: vi /etc/default/grub [02:21] vi? [02:21] =þ [02:21] m [02:21] vim [02:21] bah. gksu gedit. or sudo nano. =þ [02:22] whatev [02:22] i also use vim with colors ;) [02:22] i use gedit [02:22] with colors [02:22] Even nano can do colors, by the way. [02:22] musikgoat: i can put old school grub config in here for grub2? [02:22] but can grub be my problem why it boots into single-user-mode? [02:23] oh, and disable wrapping, because line-wrapping by INSERTING carriage returns.... is stupid. [02:23] even if i have not selected safe-mode [02:23] lubosz: sort of... but the flags aren't all the same [02:23] Orfeous: single user mode si a boot flag [02:23] lubosz: but its where you make those edits, then sudo update-grub [02:23] lubosz: and it builds grub.cfg [02:23] k i try that thx [02:23] lubosz, can it be something else if it isnt grub? [02:24] some other config-file or something? [02:24] Orfeous: i wouldnt try to fix the old kernels, but your problems in the current [02:25] its really annoying :) [02:26] its my server also ;) [02:27] Orfeous: without analyzing your dmesg logs, there could be loads of stuff causing a problem [02:27] Orfeous: can you pastebin them? [02:30] musikgoat, yes but not until tomorrow when i come home. [02:31] i only wonder how i can put it on pastebin from my console? [02:31] !info pastebinit [02:31] pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.2-1 (karmic), package size 22 kB, installed size 344 kB [02:32] nice :D [02:32] yes, very useful [02:35] but another problem then.. how can i run an irc-client without running as root? [02:37] irc client doesnt need root... [02:38] i know.. [02:38] but i am logged in as root! [02:38] maybe i can sudo my normal user [02:38] su [02:39] Orfeous: try " su - " [02:40] the - should cause you to use the right environment [02:40] ok, i will try it tomorrow and paste dmesg [02:41] its kern.log? [02:46] anyone notice samba shares not showing up? [02:46] scratch that [02:47] darthanubis : Nope, all mine show up [02:47] I think my router stops sending smb traffic if it gets overloaded [02:47] and I'm using smb4 [02:47] I need a new router [02:47] my mythtv box is too powerful to just be a smoothwall firewall [02:48] maybe I could have it virtualize both smoothwall and mythtv? [02:48] hmm [02:48] I know I'm sharing from 9.10, but can't browse my own shares or the network via nautilus [02:48] wierd [02:49] hmm [02:49] samba has always lived its on life for me for many years [02:50] musikgoat, maybe its time for me to make a new installation on my computer its longtime ago now ;) many dist-upgrades :D [02:50] install ubuntu-server 9.10 [02:50] name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host << I still noticed that this line has to be changed in smb.conf [02:51] I would have though Ubuntu would have fixed this long ago [02:51] I always have to put "host" at the end of that line [02:51] otherwise the network is never able to resolve the shared machines [02:54] The FN keys of my notebooks (Panasonic let's note/Sony Vaio) are not working with 9.04. Any changes with Karmic (FN keys notebooks)? [02:55] Try a live cd and see if they work. [02:55] The FN keys work on my 2 laptops ive tested. [02:55] what make/model/years? [02:56] Hmm.. Oddity/bug? - I change the mouse pointer in the gnome appearance- tools. The pointer changes for SOME apps but not all of them. (perhaps its only changed for newly started apps?) i dont recall this happening in 9.04 [02:56] One netbook, AAO, and one HP dv2000 I belive [02:56] nomnex, i think it works for me on my sony vaio [02:57] that's good news! model please? [02:57] i was able to press fn-key and contrast higher and lower.. [02:57] VGN-FW11M [02:57] the sony-module must be loaded [02:58] how and where is the sony module? [02:58] another way: sudo -i -u username' [02:58] findsmb lists the computers and shares, but nautilus says failure to retrieve share list [02:58] -i for "give me a shell". [02:58] Failed to retrieve share list from server [02:59] good day [02:59] nomnex, its located under /var/lib/"kernel-version"... hmm then i forgot the other directorys.. [03:00] but i think ive found it under a "laptop" dir. [03:01] Orfeous: I fairly new to linux. I can follow instruction though. could you be more specific. do you have to compile the kernel? [03:01] with naitulus ive often had to type in the proper path to the server/share name the first thme.. THEN it gets it figured out and asks me for a username/password then it starts to see it corectly after that [03:02] the kernel allready have many devices etc.. compiled as modules and are loaded to the computers specs.. [03:02] anyone have this issue with gnome-power-manager screen blanking? [03:02] ie: i used in the address bar smb://servernameorIP/sharehane [03:02] sony-laptop is the module-name [03:02] Orfeous: I am following [03:03] the patch can be downloaded if its not included in your current running kernel [03:03] Orfeous: do you have a download link [03:04] what kernel are you running? [03:05] what's the command uname-? [03:05] uname -a [03:05] Orfeous: Pana1 2.6.28-15-generic [03:05] ah ok.. [03:06] then it should be located at /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/drivers/misc/sony-laptop.ko [03:06] http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8033399#post8033399 [03:06] Orfeous: I found it for the panasonic, but I don't know how to install it then [03:07] sudo modprobe "modulename" [03:07] !autoload [03:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about autoload [03:07] i forget the proper modules autoload file. [03:07] its /etc/modules [03:08] nomnex, did you find the sony-laptop module? [03:08] orfeous sudo modprobe sony-laptop.ko (correct?) what about /etc/modules [03:08] nomnex, yes i think that is correct [03:09] Orfeous: I am confuse about /etc/modules [03:09] the /etc/modules is a file for autoloading modules on startup. [03:10] Orfeous: steps: a. command: sudo modprobe sony-laptop.ko / b. ?? /etc/modules (only?) [03:10] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+question/58092 [03:11] we can't get smb working flawlessly ...really? [03:11] release after release we have to go through the SAME issues, why? [03:11] nomnex, no.. just write sony-laptop on a new line in that file /etc/modules and save it [03:12] Orfeous: got it. that's all? Is there a link/thread/guide for other computer models: titled How to install a module? [03:12] nomnex, ive found that the command for loading the module is "sudo modprobe sony-laptop" not with that .ko file extension its for loading with insmod command. if the module isnt located in the kernel hiercy [03:13] nomnex, hmm.. maybe :) i dont know. [03:13] what sony vaio do you have? [03:13] got it sudo modprobe sony-laptop , then copy sony-laptop on /etc/modules. Vaio PG-K66P. [03:14] nomnex, write sony-laptop on a single line :) [03:15] anybody know where the tty files went (used to be in /etc/event.d)? [03:16] centaur5, i have been searching for them too [03:17] Orfeous: line 1: #added line below. line 2: sony-laptop - Correct? [03:17] centaur5, look in /etc/init/tty* [03:17] Orfeous, sucks that documentation takes a while to come out when lots of changes happen. I'm lost with the LDAP changes. [03:17] centaur5, i got some problems too with those changes :) [03:18] Orfeous, well atleast I know I'm not alone on this. :) [03:18] centaur5, there are no lonley people out there ;) [03:18] lonely [03:19] nomnex, looks ok.. [03:19] Orfeous: when there is a kernel update, do I have pass the command modprob again, or only once? [03:20] Orfeous, Do you happen to know the advantage that the new LDAP config database files even offers? [03:23] nomnex, modprobe is to be typed everytime you want to load a module without the /etc/modules [03:23] i mean if the module isnt specified in the /etc/module file [03:24] if its there you have not to type it again [03:24] you can see if the module is loaded by typing "lsmod" [03:24] to unload a module you type "sudo lsmod modulename" [03:25] sorry.. i meant rmmod :D [03:25] rmmod can also be usefull [03:26] Orfeous: got it thanks. could you confirm the location "sony-laptop" when I cd var/lib/ =>from: acpi-support, alsa, ...,to: xml-core, but no kernel [03:28] nomnex, i dont understand [03:31] Orfeous: no folder kernel when in /var/lib/. I am looking for the location of sony-laptop. [03:33] modinfo sony-laptop [03:33] or are you not talking about modules? [03:33] nomnex, i thought you allerady located it. [03:34] ok, but i must go to sleep now.. my GF wakes up in about 1 hour ;) and i have not gone to sleep :D [03:34] see you! [03:34] Orfeous: that was my believe;-) [03:34] thanks see you. [03:35] I just reported bug #439768 [03:35] Launchpad bug 439768 in gnome-power-manager "backlight throbbing on login & idle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439768 [03:35] any devs here? [03:35] ill be back later today for update.. [03:46] I'm currently on jaunty with the 2.6.31 kernel, update manager wants me to revert to .28 I think, but karmic is using .31 I believe? I heard it was always good choice to do a full system update before an upgrade, in this case it seems almost pointless... [03:47] * Martyn waits patiently for the beta-1 build to make it's appearance [04:08] hi [04:08] hello [04:09] my battery said i have 17 hours of life remaining [04:09] car battery? [04:09] laptop battery [04:09] not 17 hours [04:09] with koala os [04:09] wow [04:09] new laptop? [04:10] does it really last that long? [04:11] no i think it's a bug in the battery life reporting [04:11] it only says 8 hours now [04:11] How long did it say 17 hours? [04:11] a few minutes [04:12] how old is the battery? [04:12] brand new [04:12] hmm [04:12] what does hal say? same thing? [04:14] dunno [04:16] acpi -V [04:17] well it says 46 minutes now [04:18] both from acpi and from the battery thingy in the gnome panel [04:18] i think your bug is for gnome-power-manager [04:19] I saw it stated in another bug, might want to check the other bugs for gnome-power-manager [04:19] or whatever binary / package name current is [04:48] is karmic alpha 6 stable enough [04:48] for what? [04:49] there? [04:49] [04:49] ohew [04:50] hello [04:50] have you seen my new bug? [04:50] (actually, saying just that is a bit funnier, and less offensive, than such an actual joke.) [04:50] thats what your mom said [04:51] * akio hides [04:51] i want to upgrade to karmic alpha 6, is it safe. if there are problems can i revert back to jaunty [04:51] bug #439768 [04:51] Launchpad bug 439768 in gnome-power-manager "backlight throbbing on login & idle" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439768 [04:52] Is it safe? [04:53] Im sure an OS will not harm you. Unless it runs a potentially hazardous robot that just so happens to bounty hunt on the side. [04:54] dual boot man [04:54] Or use a really cool backup solution. [04:56] i want to upgrade to karmic alpha 6, is it safe. if there are problems can i revert back to jaunty [04:58] I don't think you can revert. [05:02] pradeep, it is an alpha, if you want safe come back in november [05:03] My gnumeric stop crashing [05:03] stopped* [05:04] hooray! [05:04] ? [05:20] gdb is eating all my cpu [05:41] Could use a general advice from users with more exp than I have: I am using pidgin (mainly MSN chat/ XMPP chat/ IRC) on Jaunty 9.04. any good reason to make the move to the default emtpathy in Karmic? Or would you re-install pidgin over it? [05:42] empathy +1 [05:43] akio: I can't try it currently on jaunty because of a dependency problem, why +1 [05:43] nomnex I use amsn [05:44] Thanks tood, the question is related to Karmic change [05:44] I had an issue with Pidgin working with gnome-panel [05:45] akio: okay. Other beta karmic testers any input empathy/pidgin ? [05:45] mainly IRC focused [05:46] yes I use Karmic and for I\m clients empathy works well but for hotmail I recommenc amsn [05:46] go pidgin [05:46] awesome plugins for pidgin [05:47] my favorite was the replacement [05:47] I see now, point taken, I have heard empathy was not completely ready and was more a political move. [05:47] irc I use chatzilla by firefox [05:47] pidginll get web/mic some day..... who needs it...? [05:47] I would turn that on with my family and replace 4 letter words with things like "Holy cow Batman!" [05:48] inflema, I guess I can make my idea. [05:48] for irc i am using irssi [05:48] so pidgin is not going to die among ubuntu users [05:48] I wonder what that game of replacing verbs could do with the replacement plugin. [05:48] Mad Libs? [05:49] hell no [05:49] alright thanks everyone! [05:50] pidgin - add msn,live,hotmail = msn/whatever@blah.blah [05:52] im doing this on pidgin [05:52] ifleman: you mean account settings? [05:54] pidgin does just about all... itll get web/mic sonn enough. if ya remove empathy add pidgin the user switcher works great [05:54] pidgin 2.6.1 has voice and video support over XMPP [05:54] tray icons good [05:54] user swithcer good [05:55] why change?/? [05:55] irc a bit odd but it goes [05:55] well not odd at all [05:56] empathy = p === bullgard is now known as bullgard4 [06:00] kopete currently a pain for yahoo users or is that sorted [06:00] ? [06:01] that goes for most distros [06:03] !punctuation | iflema [06:03] iflema: Punctuation is good, but its overuse hurts readability: Please refrain from adding many ?'s or !'s to the end of your sentences. See also !enter [06:03] !enter + iflema [06:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about enter + iflema [06:03] !enter | iflema [06:03] iflema: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [06:11] iflema: thanks, I could make my mind [06:33] What manual can you recommand for Empathy? [06:35] [solved] [06:39] How close is the Beta, does anbody know if it's to be delayed? [06:40] I'm getting ready for a Beta party. [06:41] 1:41 am here [06:41] it's 3hrs earlier(PDT) [06:42] Should be the 1st(Beta Release Date) UTC though, but the last several beta's have been delayed due to build problems. [06:42] It's OK, but I just haven't heard anything yet. [06:49] now im here with my dmesg as requested for failsearching [06:49] http://pastebin.com/f455a1822 [06:54] Man! Ubuntu killed epiphany-gecko and epiphany-webkit is broken. I'm forced to use firefox. I hate it, so slow and bloated. [06:56] any other file that i should show? [07:04] ripps: What is 'epiphany-webkit'? [07:04] bullgard4: the default gnome web-browser [07:05] technically, just epiphany, but it's been rewritten to use webkit now [07:05] ripps: No. The default GNOME web browser is Epiphany. [07:06] bullgard4: epiphany-browser is now epiphany-webkit. By default, with gnome 2.28, your using epiphany-webkit [07:06] technically, epiphany-gecko can still be installed, but only without any extensions, and that's pretty drab [07:08] Has there been any official announcment of Karmic beta being delayed yet? [07:14] mshooshtari: why would Karmic beta be delayed? [07:15] ripps: no updates anywhere yet, and it's already Oct 1st in 80% of the world. [07:16] I don't recall anywhere that beta had to be released at the stroke of midnight. They have all day to make the official release [07:16] Hello [07:16] Has karmic beta been released now? [07:17] dominic_: lol [07:17] It's barely even October, and everybody's already asking "is beta here yet?" [07:17] dominic_: I think were asking the wrong day, probably after work tomorrow. I just got a new laptop for work and wanted to blow away the vista default install in style. [07:17] It says on launchpad it was here 5 hours ago [07:18] pardon, 6 hours ago [07:18] dominic_: I'm starting to understand ripps though, who would want to get up at 6am to release software? [07:19] what difference does it make? There's only been like, what, 3 packages between yesterday and today? [07:19] Does anybody have any inside information, is the nightly build working OK? [07:19] I'll just grab that one if it doesn't have any install probs [07:19] i guess. [07:19] ripps: Thank you for explaining. [07:19] Do you release it ripps? [07:20] I've had bad luck with nighty builds lately, I think it's just my hardware or timing. [07:20] Nobody here "releases it", virutally everybody here are just normal ubuntu users [07:20] ah [07:20] ok [07:20] lol [07:20] should MOTD, just download the 30ths nightly build. [07:21] brb [07:22] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [07:25] Its october 1st over here, thats the only reason i asked [07:25] Cant wait! [07:25] I'm just anxious for the beta page with it's feature list and screenshots. [07:25] lol [07:25] Yes, im that sad. [07:26] me too [07:26] ubuntu is all I could think of when I got off work today. [07:26] lol! [07:26] and the time to desktop, damn that's fast. [07:26] brb [07:26] Well, my boot time is hindered by a load of errors i get on boot [07:27] Things like "Profile could not be loaded" [07:27] But they flash too fast to write down [07:27] A [07:27] If im quick enough on the scroll lock tonight, ill report an error [07:27] *bug [07:27] AFK [07:28] type 'dmesg' in terminal whan ya can [07:28] is there still the auto error reporting, running the test suite? [07:28] I'm not sure if it reports errors, but it sends in the configuration. [07:29] i dont know... [07:30] I've only been using Ubuntu for a month [07:30] Oh there was something I wanted to try and get into 10.04 [07:30] Maybe 5 weeks [07:30] Laptop users have to switch between docked and undocked configurations [07:30] Did you hear about the 10.04 boot time-aim? [07:30] 10 seconds! Thats what they aim for! [07:31] Also whats really fast about ubuntu is that when you get to the desktop, you actually get onto the internet/skype/emesene/pidgin/hydrogen/whatever a lot faster than on windows [07:31] xrandr has configurations, but no easy way to load or switch [07:32] there's a gui tool called arandr which saves the configurations into scripts [07:32] ok [07:32] If something could be set up to detect the docked and undocked states, and allow the display to change automatically between the dock connected monitor, and the laptop display that would be nice. === dominic_ is now known as domjohnson [07:33] right now I set up KDE hotkeys for a friend and he can change that way [07:33] ok [07:33] but if the system knows to change things for power management etc, the ability to change screen configurations should be able to tie into that. [07:33] dominic_: in terminal try 'dmesg | more' space bar to page down... might catch ya boot error(s) [07:35] no, the only thing boot-related is things like "Bios" then a couple of long numbers, then things like "reserved" [07:35] and "usuable" [07:35] and "ASPCI data" [07:35] ohhh [07:35] thats a ram map [07:37] oooh sun(rise/set) artwork is very nice [07:37] huh? [07:40] what are cupsd, aptd and totem? [07:40] They all crashed [07:40] domjohnson: the artwork is nice, it wasn't in the alpha [07:41] ok [07:41] domjohnson: cupsd is the printing system (common unix printing system daemon) [07:41] Theres a screenshot? [07:41] totem is a media player [07:41] ok [07:41] not sure about apt unless it's part of aptitude, related to package management. [07:42] ok [07:42] What I want to see for 10.04 is for openchange to make amends to all the gnome distributions with the hype about microsoft exhcange integration. [07:42] ? [07:42] lol [07:43] first it released buggy, then lots of problems with clustered exchange servers. [07:43] that's acceptable, but they hyped it so much that redhat, ubuntu and others marked it as a huge nice new feature. [07:43] and it was more of a dud. [07:43] Are the cdimages building? When will the beta land ? [07:44] ubuntu0ath1: no word yet, I just grabbed daily from 30th, it has new artwork and looks good, then will apt-get upgrade tomorrow [07:45] Was the first release of ubuntu 4.10? [07:45] I don't know I started with ubuntu around dapper [07:47] yep I remember, trying to set up mythtv on breezy, but just before I finished dapper came out. All the guides were written for 5.04 [07:48] now there's a nice mythbuntu that does everything out of the box. [07:51] You know how you have the weather forecast on your top panel? [07:51] Is that for today or tomorrow? [07:51] It's supposed to be current weather [07:53] Oh, crap its cold outside [07:53] According to that [08:00] Can you port Visual Basic Code to ubuntu? [08:00] As in, make it into a .deb file? === Wajih is now known as MaWaLe [08:06] bye [08:07] * Martyn waits for the beta 1 to finish 'gelling' together [08:07] So many last-second bugfixes and checkins [08:12] Martyn: What do you mean by "checkins"? [08:16] Hi there [08:17] Im testing karmic and having very slow printing, its spending a LOT of time on the process "gs" [08:17] slow as in 4min before one page prints.. for 10 pages... Its over 8min and I cancel [08:17] anyone know of this slow printing problem? [08:22] don't have that, instead i have a "printing works from some programs, but not from all" problem with karmic [08:22] but those that work, are okay speed-wise [08:23] vega-, email is fast for some reason but PDF's very slow [08:24] the problem is "gs" the ghostscript command is using 500mb or so of ram [08:24] and using loads of CPU [08:24] this is weired because it used to work fine [08:24] on hardy [08:25] Martyn: What do you mean by "checkins"? [08:26] is it possible to print at lower resolution? [08:26] like 300x300, the option is only for 600x600 [08:31] ideasman_42: ghostscript is a postscript interpreter, postscript is an interpreted programming language. It can take a long time to execute a postscript "program" especially a buggy one [08:32] I once locked up a university printer for several hours printing a short postscript program that generated a big fractal image [08:32] ideasman_42: what are you printing? [08:35] AlanBell, just a 10 page bdf [08:35] pdf [08:35] AlanBell, yep, am familier with PS [08:35] well, not to the point of writing games in it but still [08:35] hi there, do I get this right: In karmic I can add PPAs but just adding ppa:abiword-stable/ppa to the sources.list? [08:36] AlanBell, Id accept gs can be slow, but since this used to print fast assume its some bug? [08:36] is there some way to replace GS or downgrade the package in karmic? [08:36] XML-parsefout: ongedefinieerde entiteit [08:36] Locatie: jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3/chrome/browser.jar!/content/browser/certerror/aboutCertError.xhtml [08:36] Regelnummer 241, kolom 34:

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[08:36] ---------------------------------^ [08:36] any idea ? [08:36] ideasman_42: if it is a regression then yes, I guess you are right [08:37] Hello guys! I put Karmic Koala on a USB stick and omg how fast it is :D i'm so amazed the speed is incredible :) === SuBmUnDo__ is now known as Guest4010529 [08:37] Im also trying to edit the PPD file, but it doesnt like 300x300 resolution [08:38] hello everyone :) [08:39] Is the E7300 processor any good? [08:46] AlanBell, vega- wow, very interesting xpdf prints fast! [08:47] seems like the problem was evince?? - crazy [08:55] Yesterday I installed Empathy 2.28.0. It worked. Today the Contact List reports: "New Jabber Account; Name in use". What does that mean? I cannot see any contact names in the Contact List. [09:19] Hi, can someone tell me a little bit more about the "sandbox" update mode that's offered by do-release-upgrade? I'd like to try Karmic on my laptop and found this option, am I correct in thinking that this would just store the changes between my current jaunty installation and the karmic upgrade, and overlay them onto my filesystem meaning that if anything is broken I can just "roll back" to Jaunty as I have it now? thanks! === `ph8 is now known as ph8 [09:29] G_A_C: that sounds hella sweet. [09:31] it does if I have it correct [09:31] which is why I'm asking, just in case I've misunderstood it, I don't want to trash this jaunty install :) [09:42] Is the beta release supposed to come out today? Where can I find it? [09:55] hello is the beta ? [09:56] amortvigil: is the beta what? [09:57] rsk: the beta is not yet :P [09:58] what [09:58] isn't it [09:58] rsk: just as i tell you : The beta is not yet [09:58] this is very confusing [09:58] english is your 54't language? [09:59] rsk: hmmm i think its clear english [09:59] it's not [09:59] but anyway the beta is not yet published, does that make you understand it? [10:00] in karmic, pidgin is replaced with empathy? why? i think pidgin is better. [10:00] error404notfound: because pidgin was not the best [10:00] amortvigil, hmm, how? [10:00] nope [10:01] rsk: do i smell autism?? [10:01] i don't know what you smell [10:01] rsk: well nevermind [10:01] does anyone have a bluetooth mouse workin on karmic? [10:02] at what time can we expect to see the beta released^ [10:02] ? [10:03] luca: you better not try asking, people get stunned by the word beta i think [10:04] luca: and t realy help you, on the forums i foud the answer: dont ask just wait for announcement [10:08] Greets, everyone... [10:08] hei [10:08] hi [10:08] hey [10:09] amortvigil: thanks, I'll wait then :) [10:09] I'm trying to get wminput working on my media center box and have discovered /dev/input/uinput no longer exists, which wminput requires. Any ideas? === [2]sassyn is now known as sassyn [10:11] luca launchpad now says its 9hours late [10:12] robin0800 seen thanks [10:12] let's hope they'll upload it soon then [10:14] Yesterday I installed Empathy. It worked. Today the Contact List reports: "New Jabber Account; Name in use". What does that mean? I cannot see any contact names in the Contact List. [10:18] bullgard: mine will not work either [10:19] amortvigil: "will not work" is rather ambiguous. What in detail does not work? [10:20] it says it has network problems :P [10:22] amortvigil: "network problems" again is a rather broad term. [10:27] bullgard: i know [10:28] :-) [10:30] So no one knows about the disappearance of /dev/input/uinput in Karmic? [10:32] contrast: i only know my wireless mighty mouse is also not workin [10:33] Blah... It seems like every time I upgrade to a new release, I only discover the one show-stopper bug after I get everything else set up and working perfectly. [10:35] what is a show-stopper bug? [10:35] ubottu: show-stopper [10:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about show-stopper [10:37] Umm... Something that stops the show; e.g., a deal-breaker. [10:37] how come karmic upgrade uninstalls my chosen applications and reinstalls default kde applications? That is rather annoying === Gav- is now known as G_A_C === G_A_C is now known as G_A_C_ === G_A_C_ is now known as G_A_C === yofel is now known as yofel_ [11:15] Hi [11:15] hii [11:15] Did anyone use xsplash [11:15] sure [11:15] can u please tell if this is replace usplash? [11:16] or usplash run and them xsplash [11:16] I still don't understand it [11:17] xsplash is a userspace application that uses the X interface [11:17] to draw a splash screen at boot. [11:17] when GRUB run - he call to xsplash? or usplash and the usplash call X - which call xsplash [11:17] Usplash is a userspace application that uses the Linux framebuffer interface [11:17] to draw a splash screen at boot.' [11:17] should explain it for you [11:17] :) [11:18] framebuffer vs. xorg [11:18] I see [11:19] So if u used xsplash then X shoudl be run right after grub right? [11:19] no [11:19] how could it load without a kernel or any userspace [11:19] Hows Beta , good or broken [11:20] after grub you need to boot the kernel and suchs [11:20] Blizzerand: Not out yet. [11:20] rsk : Isn't it supposed to be out today [11:21] Yes. [11:21] "today" = "sometime from 0:00 and 23:59" [11:21] when are the images available, how mny hours from now [11:21] s/and/to/ [11:21] floating: no way to tell [11:21] what time zone is that cousteau [11:22] bet was supposed to be out 10~hours ago [11:22] beta* [11:22] Isle of Man's, I guess [11:22] but it will probably be out in a day or two. [11:23] if you really want the beta, just get alpa6in the meanwhile and update [11:23] the installer doesnt work for me [11:23] reported a bug? [11:23] but i could try the alternative cd of alpha6 tho [11:23] cousteau : Hours ago I read, from launchpad i believe that it is going to be released with in an hour [11:23] well, the installer works I guess, but I get an error during the installation process [11:23] so it will work in beta :) [11:24] didn't report a bug [11:24] So no use anymore fo usplash? [11:24] Blizzerand__: within an hour from when you read it, or within an hour from now? [11:24] sassyn: you decide [11:24] of 9.10 will run frist usplash and them xsplash? [11:25] Can I have then both? [11:25] can you? [11:25] where should I download it when it's released? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta ? [11:25] I saw cool animation with xsplash [11:25] cousteau : Not it says , it was released 10 hours ago lol , https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-beta [11:26] "Expected" [11:26] *now [11:26] Blizzerand: yea it dosen't say it was released 10hours ago [11:26] just that it was expected [11:26] rsk - ? can I? [11:26] sassyn: ask yourself, can you? [11:27] yes [11:27] I think [11:27] it means that they programmed an event for "today" months ago, and that the system considers "today" was 10 hours ago [11:27] then make up your own mind :) [11:27] u will run first usplash and omce X is up then move to xsplash [11:28] rsk: or I'm wrong ? [11:28] that is correct [11:28] No I get it [11:29] now [12:44] Hi! does anybody know when the official Karmic releases? [12:45] !karmic [12:45] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [12:45] oh, sorry [12:46] is THIS a talk about Karmik? [12:47] no about Karmic :p [12:47] ))))))))) [12:47] oops [12:47] is there any news about official release? [12:47] no [12:48] it will be only news about it if it's delayed or out [12:49] so everything is still on schedule? It's good to hear, but long to wait=) [12:49] beta is delayed [12:51] not much... they just said they'll release it today [12:51] oh, I have a Q: I can't share my internet lan connection through WiFi anymore (after the latest dist-upgrade) [12:51] hope it'll be fixed [12:52] are there any Gui for changing background in Grub 2? [12:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/BetaAnnouncement [12:57] "Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta for details." -> but there isn't anything there yet! [12:57] hehehe :P [12:57] i was sooner:P [12:59] I've been all the morning refreshing http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/ and there's only an alpha6/ folder [13:00] (and an empty release/ one) [13:00] !refresh [13:00] Remember that every time you hit refresh, Canonical is wasting money, bandwidth, and CPU time serving your request instead of doing useful things like uploading the image or paying for ShipIt disks. Please do so sparingly. [13:01] Pici: before we can upload we need to download [13:01] oh... sorry [13:02] ok, I gotta go... brb in 6h or so; I guess it will be uploaded for then [13:06] what time is beta out at ? [13:07] aurolac, when it's out [13:07] joaopinto, hurry up already ;) [13:08] anyone used that moblin version for dell minis? === Oli``` is now known as Oli`` [13:14] what's so exciting about the beta release today? don't most people already have it on this channel as they run up to date karmic instances? [13:21] vega-: yes, but it is a day for more new people to join in the fun [13:21] plus it is a good milestone to do a clean re-install and test the install process [13:31] Been waiting for it just to do a clean reinstall.. :) [13:31] beta is out? [13:31] due out today [13:31] ok :D [13:40] where is the beta? [13:40] anyone know when Karmic beta is? [13:40] When its done. [13:40] I just stated when puffinman [13:40] in #ubuntu [13:40] Seriously. They need to generate and test iso images. [13:40] it's not a very good answer [13:41] the site says oct 1 [13:41] So it says oct 1.. so? [13:41] can't blame me for asking [13:41] It will get released when its done. :) [13:41] we get this constant asking every time for the new releases. :) [13:41] wheres the link for the test isos again [13:41] puffinman: they didn't say in which timezone ... [13:41] aurolac: a bit late for that [13:42] Think "end of 1 Oct in australia" [13:42] fair enough, maybe they should add some info on the site [13:42] you know the final stages ones they do [13:42] err, wait, not australia [13:42] right on the other side of the date line [13:42] the one that gets it last [13:42] puffinman, they will set some info there when its released [13:42] Unless they changed how days work it's the Oct 1st until Midnight, so they still have 17 hours in my time zone [13:42] righto, thanks guys [13:42] Amaranth: i guess should be more like Aleutians [13:42] As long as it is 1 Oct somewhere in the world the release is on time [13:42] I'll just wait *sigh* [13:43] (releases are usually late evening UK time) [13:43] ya usually around noon here, in central states. [13:44] * stefg thinks better a late and good beta than a timely bad one [13:44] stefg, ya as many bugs as they have had in the past i will wait for them to get done as well. [13:45] the beta was frozen already a couple of days ago, so just get the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ === korn_ is now known as c_korn [13:47] tormod: ruin all the fun :P [13:47] oldude67: indeed there's so much new stuff in karmic (suppose in preparation for LTS Lucid) that it is unusually late in finalizing big stuff [13:48] stefg: yeah, pretty much [13:48] shove all the crack in now because LTS is going to be mostly about polishing what we've got (aside from the usual few big new things) [13:50] and after all: the .10 releases were never the real good ones, more like the agenda for the following .04 release. edgy was a mess, gutsy was awful, intrepid actually not so bad, and we'll see how karmic is going [13:52] edgy was awesome [13:53] Amaranth: edgy e.g. was the only distro which manged not to work with my DVD-drive out of the bazillions of other kernels out there [13:55] edgy only had 4 months dev time, after the delayed 6.06 [13:55] it was awesomely cracktastic [13:56] I think it was the first release where my sound worked right so I might just be forgetting all the bad stuff [13:56] tormod: that was no accusation, so no excuse needed... it's clearly stated that the .10 releases are more experimental and the .04 more incremental [13:56] yo yo yo [13:56] stefg: clearly stated where? [13:56] Hi ActionParsnip1 [13:57] stefg: I don't remember it ever being stated like that [13:57] stefg: only if it's the one before an LTS there might be a pattern [13:57] stefg: usually the release after an LTS is more cracktastic but otherwise they're all supposed to be about as good [13:57] this time the release before is a bit more bleeding edge too [13:58] tormod: let's say it's common sense amongst old time ubunteros ... i think that saying originates in some breezy announcement made by someone somewhere now long forgotten [13:58] This 9.10 is to be an LTS after official release? [13:58] vigo: 10.04 is the next LTS [13:58] vigo: 10.04 [13:58] ;) [13:58] vigo: no 9.10 is the stairway to a fantastic 10.04 [13:59] ActionParsnip1: Thank you [13:59] !LTS [13:59] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Hardy (Hardy Heron 8.04). The next LTS release is scheduled to be 10.04 [13:59] !10.04 [13:59] Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02bhwofEqw for announcement video. [13:59] and everyone else,,I need Coffee [13:59] hear it from the man himself if you wish :D [13:59] regular is 18months right? [13:59] I saw that vid/clip [14:00] rsk: regular means every