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| dpm | so, welcome all to this translations meeting! | 16:00 |
| dpm | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is dpm. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| adiroiban | hi | 16:00 |
| dpm | who's there? o/ | 16:00 |
| kelemengabor | hi all | 16:00 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 16:00 |
| happyaron | hi | 16:00 |
| dpm | hiya adiroiban, kelemengabor, cjwatson, happyaron! | 16:01 |
| dpm | czajkowski, I meant, not Colin :) | 16:01 |
| dpm | so, shall we get started with the first topic? | 16:01 |
| adiroiban | sure | 16:02 |
| dpm | Adi, it is yours | 16:02 |
| dpm | [TOPIC] Decide templates prioirty and order in the Ubuntu Templates list | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Decide templates prioirty and order in the Ubuntu Templates list | 16:02 |
| adiroiban | well. | 16:04 |
| adiroiban | I think you all know the wikipage | 16:04 |
| adiroiban | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TemplatesPriority | 16:04 |
| adiroiban | any comments regarding the categories ? | 16:04 |
| adiroiban | shall we have new ones, or remove some of them | 16:04 |
| adiroiban | ? | 16:04 |
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| dpm | adiroiban, are you talking about the categories for prioritisation? | 16:05 |
| adiroiban | yes | 16:05 |
| dpm | I think we could add UNR, for example | 16:05 |
| adiroiban | ok. where ? | 16:06 |
| adiroiban | 3 ? | 16:06 |
| adiroiban | I was thinking to consider UNR at cat 2 - Ubuntu specific stuff | 16:06 |
| dpm | adiroiban, I'd just put it anywhere in the list for now. I think we should talk whether we want to 'mix' templates of different distros (ubuntu, kubuntu, unr) or give Ubuntu priority | 16:07 |
| dpm | What do you guys think? | 16:07 |
| adiroiban | for UNR . Since we don't have to many packages I think we can put them at cat 2 - Ubunte specific | 16:08 |
| kelemengabor | I think it would be better to handle Ubuntu/Kubuntu separately | 16:08 |
| adiroiban | I'm an Ubuntu user so I would say to have Ubuntu+UNR in the first place... and the Kubuntu / Xubuntu / Edubuntu | 16:09 |
| adiroiban | then | 16:09 |
| dpm | I'm also up for having u | 16:09 |
| dpm | Ubuntu first, due to a bigger user base | 16:09 |
| dpm | so at least the ones we're here seem to agree on that | 16:10 |
| * Riddell disagrees | 16:10 | |
| adiroiban | Any opinion from Kubuntu users? | 16:10 |
| adiroiban | :) | 16:10 |
| dpm | ;) | 16:10 |
| adiroiban | why? | 16:10 |
| Riddell | it would probably be best to have a list of prority templates for each variant, Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Kubuntu etc | 16:11 |
| Riddell | adiroiban: why? "I'm an Ubuntu user" isn't a good rationale for this | 16:12 |
| adiroiban | I would not add Ubuntu Server in the equation | 16:12 |
| adiroiban | since most of the apps are CLI | 16:12 |
| dpm | Riddell, yes, but one of those variants should go on top | 16:12 |
| dpm | we've got only one list | 16:12 |
| adiroiban | Riddell: :) I agree, I will also go with Ubuntu due to a bigger user base | 16:13 |
| Riddell | dpm: well whatever, it would be nice to have a way for people to see "have I done the most important templates in Xubuntu" | 16:14 |
| Riddell | adiroiban: "Ubuntu" is confusing terminology here, "Ubuntu Desktop" is more clear for the desktop edition | 16:14 |
| dpm | Riddell, yes, we can prioritise per variant, that's not a problem. The question is whether we put all variant's templates one after another or whether we mix them | 16:15 |
| dpm | i.e. a) first all Ubuntu Desktop templates (prioritised), then Kubuntu templates (prioritised), or b) Higher priority Ubuntu templates, higher prio Kubuntu, less prio Ubuntu... etc | 16:17 |
| Riddell | may as well bring some order to it | 16:17 |
| Riddell | although I'd fear people having the attitude of "I use Ubuntu so I'll ignore this batch of Kubuntu ones" | 16:18 |
| adiroiban | :) | 16:18 |
| dpm | What I can do for a start is to provide a list of all templates per variant (desktop, unr, kubuntu) | 16:19 |
| dpm | i.e. those in the default installs, like the one I sent to the list yesterday or the day before | 16:20 |
| adiroiban | those list are very noisy | 16:20 |
| adiroiban | lists | 16:20 |
| dpm | noisy? | 16:20 |
| adiroiban | a lot of CLI apps | 16:20 |
| dpm | it's a subset of a bigger list we've got in Launchpad | 16:20 |
| dpm | we can remove the CLI apps from the list | 16:21 |
| adiroiban | for Ubuntu we can go with GNOME templates + Ubuntu Specific + some other one manualy selected | 16:21 |
| adiroiban | and maybe we can do the same for Kubuntu | 16:21 |
| dpm | yes, I agree, but you still need somewhere you can get an overview of the templates | 16:22 |
| adiroiban | we can get the GNOME templates from here: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ro/gnome-2-28/ui/ | 16:22 |
| adiroiban | we can use the wiki for updating such a list | 16:22 |
| dpm | hmm, yes, but I've got two concerns with that a) you have to look at them and update them manually | 16:23 |
| dpm | b) it might list modules which are not installed by default | 16:23 |
| dpm | it doesn't contain | 16:23 |
| dpm | things like f-spot | 16:23 |
| dpm | or tomboy | 16:23 |
| dpm | since they're not official gnome modules | 16:24 |
| adiroiban | yes. they will be manualy added in the list | 16:24 |
| ArneGoetje | FYI: I've talked with Jeroen during the last UDS in Barcelona about this template grouping. The Rosetta team didn't have time yet to implement it and I will poke about it next week during the LP Translations sprint. | 16:24 |
| adiroiban | just like the other Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific packates | 16:24 |
| happyaron | dpm, http://l10n.gnome.org/modules , but may need some work then | 16:24 |
| adiroiban | the list of all modules is also noisy as there are many obsolete modules | 16:25 |
| * happyaron I have to say, yup | 16:26 | |
| dpm | adiroiban, which ones are obsolete? If they are, we should disable them in LP | 16:26 |
| dpm | oh I see | 16:26 |
| adiroiban | I was talking about the gnome modules | 16:26 |
| dpm | you meant the GNOME one | 16:26 |
| adiroiban | yep | 16:26 |
| dpm | yup :) | 16:26 |
| dpm | well, it seems these are the two main points | 16:27 |
| dpm | 1) Do we mix templates or do we list them peioritised one variant after another? | 16:28 |
| dpm | prioritised | 16:28 |
| dpm | 2) Categories | 16:28 |
| dpm | of prioritisation | 16:28 |
| dpm | and perhaps 3) | 16:28 |
| dpm | How do we set priorities? Variants list? Manual wiki? | 16:29 |
| adiroiban | for setting priorities: we can start with a bath update (with some help from Rosetta devs) and then have a wiki, subscribe to changes and do manual updates | 16:30 |
| adiroiban | also if Rosetta dev are to busy I can dedicate my time to set the priorities for all templates | 16:30 |
| dpm | adiroiban, I think it might be best to do a batch set, it's 1600 templates! :) | 16:31 |
| dpm | the plan seems good to me though | 16:31 |
| adiroiban | well I hope we will only have a maximum of 500 templates to set | 16:31 |
| adiroiban | and the other one will not be changed | 16:32 |
| adiroiban | also I can create a curl based script for making those changes using the web interface | 16:32 |
| dpm | if you can do that, sounds good to me | 16:32 |
| adiroiban | it's not hard to do some post request from the command line | 16:33 |
| adiroiban | as my accont has the required template update permissions | 16:33 |
| dpm | ok | 16:33 |
| adiroiban | going back to our major problem | 16:34 |
| dpm | so 3) seems sorted. Shall we do a call for feedback on points 1) and 2) on the ML? | 16:34 |
| adiroiban | since we don't have to many templates in UNR i think we can mix them with Ubuntu Desktop | 16:34 |
| dpm | ok, yes | 16:35 |
| adiroiban | since Xubuntu in not in main , those templates are not in Rosetta | 16:35 |
| dpm | that's right, we're only looking at the (desktop, kubuntu, unr) variants | 16:35 |
| adiroiban | and we have to decide if we should also mix Ubuntu (mostly GNOME) and Kubuntu (moslty KDE) templates | 16:36 |
| dpm | or desktop + kubuntu, if we mix unr with desktop | 16:36 |
| dpm | I'd go for not mixing them, and if we do, only mix those which are specific to the distro | 16:37 |
| ArneGoetje | dpm, adiroiban: my idea in my talks with jtv was to use debtags for classification and add a combobox in Rosetta to choose which template group to display. Then the templates for that group are filtered and displayed by priority. | 16:37 |
| adiroiban | my first idea was to mix them, but to have some manualy define exception so that for example nautilus or dolphin could be listed in the top of the list | 16:37 |
| adiroiban | like here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TemplatesPriority#Templates%20with%20a%20high%20user%20visiblity | 16:38 |
| adiroiban | the only problem with manual defined priority list is that we should find someone willing to dedicate the required time to creat the list. | 16:39 |
| adiroiban | I can help with the Ubuntu top priority packages | 16:40 |
| adiroiban | Riddell: do you think we can find someone from Kubuntu willing to help with this issue? | 16:40 |
| Riddell | I can do a crude version easily enough (and I don't think there's any reliable way to do anything better) | 16:41 |
| adiroiban | ok | 16:41 |
| dpm | Riddell, that would be a good start, though | 16:41 |
| adiroiban | so we should have the top 50 temples for Ubuntu and top 50 for Kubuntu | 16:41 |
| adiroiban | or 100 | 16:41 |
| adiroiban | the idea is to have the most important templates / the visible to 95% of users | 16:42 |
| adiroiban | Riddell: feel free to add them in the wiki and send them via email | 16:43 |
| adiroiban | since we don't have to many participant at this meeting | 16:43 |
| adiroiban | we can try to get some feedback via ubuntu-translators ML | 16:43 |
| adiroiban | in order to see if we should mix them or not | 16:43 |
| dpm | yes, I agree | 16:44 |
| happyaron | pro | 16:44 |
| dpm | does anyone want to send an e-mail to the ML to ask feedback on that? Otherwise I can do it | 16:45 |
| adiroiban | I can do it | 16:45 |
| adiroiban | any other comments regarding those categories ? | 16:46 |
| dpm | [ACTION] adiroiban to send e-mail to the ubuntu-translators ML to ask for feedback on whether to mix desktop/kubuntu templates or not | 16:46 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: adiroiban to send e-mail to the ubuntu-translators ML to ask for feedback on whether to mix desktop/kubuntu templates or not | 16:46 |
| adiroiban | should we add or remove some of them ? is the order ok ? | 16:47 |
| dpm | IMO they look good (good work Adi), although I would perhaps not put the bootloader at the top | 16:47 |
| adiroiban | those are the first text from a live cd | 16:48 |
| dpm | the question is whether most of the users install K/Ubuntu or simply use it | 16:48 |
| dpm | i.e. someone else installed it | 16:49 |
| adiroiban | yep. but I think we should have them translated as a top priority | 16:49 |
| adiroiban | since a full review of the system will also include the install process | 16:49 |
| adiroiban | also I think that we have many users that just try the livecd | 16:50 |
| adiroiban | without installing it | 16:50 |
| adiroiban | and the bootloader contains the language switcher and the „Try Ubuntu without any changes on the computer” | 16:51 |
| dpm | ok, that's a good point. | 16:51 |
| * happyaron agree with Adi | 16:51 | |
| dpm | but still, there's d-i and ubiquity which people using Ubuntu in a e.g. library or school will never see | 16:52 |
| dpm | anyway, I don't have a problem with them being on top | 16:52 |
| dpm | I'm just mentioning it | 16:52 |
| dpm | they are just a few packages, so it can be refined afterwards if we want to anyway | 16:53 |
| adiroiban | dpm: you are also right... most of the non-technical users will not use d-i | 16:53 |
| kelemengabor | dpm: if your admin is unable to install Ubuntu because the installer is not translated, you won't even see the other parts :P | 16:53 |
| adiroiban | :p | 16:53 |
| dpm | hehehe | 16:53 |
| kelemengabor | so I think it's important too | 16:53 |
| happyaron | :) | 16:53 |
| dpm | so, it's 3 against one, you get it on top, then :P | 16:54 |
| adiroiban | :D | 16:54 |
| dpm | so, now we come to the point where we have to decide whether we want to continue the meeting for longer than the planned hour :) | 16:54 |
| adiroiban | we should postpone the ubuntu docs part | 16:55 |
| adiroiban | and make a common ubuntu-docs and ubuntu-translators meeting | 16:55 |
| adiroiban | i have just added it in the agenda as a reminder | 16:55 |
| dpm | ok, sounds good to me | 16:55 |
| dpm | thanks Adi | 16:56 |
| adiroiban | I know kelemengabor is keen to see help.ubuntu.com translated :) | 16:56 |
| kelemengabor | sure! | 16:56 |
| dpm | :) | 16:56 |
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| kelemengabor | sugo.ubuntu.hu is working nicely, help.u.c should have that love too | 16:57 |
| adiroiban | is there any meeting at 16 UTC? | 16:57 |
| adiroiban | kelemengabor as far as I know we will not have multilanguage support in h.u.c | 16:57 |
| dpm | no, it seems there isn't | 16:57 |
| dpm | a meeting | 16:58 |
| adiroiban | rather we will help loco teams to set up their own help pages | 16:58 |
| adiroiban | and help wiki | 16:58 |
| adiroiban | and suport forums | 16:58 |
| kelemengabor | well, that's another good option | 17:00 |
| adiroiban | next topic/feedback: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations | 17:00 |
| dpm | [TOPIC] Ubuntu Translations project feedback | 17:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu Translations project feedback | 17:01 |
| adiroiban | do you think we are doing the right thing by grouping all bugs under ubuntu-translations project, or is just a waste of time ? | 17:01 |
| dpm | adiroiban, I think it's useful to a) get an overview of translations bugs and b) be able to subscribe to bug mail, BUT... | 17:02 |
| dpm | we should do a better job at triaging the bugs | 17:02 |
| dpm | some of them are only added to the u-t project and are not followed up | 17:03 |
| dpm | so perhaps | 17:03 |
| dpm | we should organise translation hug days for triaging | 17:03 |
| dpm | or adopting translation bugs :) | 17:04 |
| ArneGoetje | dpm: maybe we should clarify what we use the available bug states for | 17:04 |
| ArneGoetje | dpm: like currently we only use New, Invalid and Fix Released. :) | 17:04 |
| dpm | ArneGoetje, yes, you are right, we should document the process a bit, even for ourselves :) | 17:04 |
| kelemengabor | bug days are a good idea | 17:04 |
| dpm | the Kubuntu translations day a while back was very useful in fixing or identifying i18n bugs | 17:05 |
| dpm | so perhaps we could do the same for Ubuntu | 17:05 |
| kelemengabor | I'd participate :) | 17:06 |
| dpm | cool | 17:06 |
| dpm | going back to what ArneGoetje was saying, also maybe people should be encouraged to assign bugs in the ubuntu-translations project to themselves | 17:07 |
| dpm | even if they can't fix them, they could take care of tracking them | 17:07 |
| dpm | and pestering the relevant devs :P | 17:07 |
| adiroiban | that should be the actual solution | 17:07 |
| ArneGoetje | +1. Then we also know about who is working on which bugs | 17:08 |
| adiroiban | but I don't know if we could find the required force to drive those changes/action/work | 17:08 |
| dpm | well, we have to start somewhere :) And I think it is already a big improvement to the wiki page we had before, so again, good job on starting the project! | 17:09 |
| dpm | we should start a page documenting the ubuntu-translations project | 17:11 |
| dpm | Maybe with a section under "Policies" in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/ page | 17:11 |
| dpm | on how to report translation bugs | 17:11 |
| dpm | and the workflow | 17:11 |
| happyaron | dpm, +1 from me | 17:13 |
| adiroiban | ok. so basicaly we are on the right track... but we need to work harde :p | 17:13 |
| adiroiban | harder | 17:13 |
| dpm | :) | 17:13 |
| adiroiban | ok | 17:14 |
| adiroiban | I think it's enough for today | 17:14 |
| adiroiban | I will try to arrange a common ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-translators meeting | 17:15 |
| adiroiban | and see how if the collaboration between those teams is ok | 17:15 |
| dpm | we could perhaps have a short round of Q+A, if you like, or leave it here. What do you guys say? | 17:15 |
| adiroiban | or where we can improve | 17:15 |
| adiroiban | it looks like we don't need the q+a part | 17:17 |
| dpm | ok, sounds good to me | 17:17 |
| dpm | so guys, thanks a lot for your participation | 17:18 |
| adiroiban | thanks | 17:18 |
| dpm | see you around! | 17:18 |
| * dpm claps | 17:19 | |
| dpm | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:19. | 17:19 |
| adiroiban | #ubuntu-translators more precisly | 17:19 |
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| forumsmatthew | I'm here, too | 22:55 |
| Technoviking | afternoon | 22:55 |
| ubuntugeek | hello | 22:55 |
| bapoumba | 'evening Technoviking ! | 22:55 |
| jdong | hello, all :) | 22:55 |
| bapoumba | hey forumsmatthew & ubuntugeek | 22:56 |
| ubuntugeek | Hi | 22:56 |
| forumsmatthew | greetings | 22:56 |
| Amaranth | FC meeting? | 22:58 |
| ubuntugeek | Yes | 22:59 |
| bapoumba | Amaranth, yep | 22:59 |
| ubuntugeek | Shall we get this party started.. | 22:59 |
| forumsmatthew | ready when you are | 22:59 |
| ubuntugeek | I'm ready, so pretty light agenda today. | 22:59 |
| ubuntugeek | Let's talk about the forums upgrade. | 22:59 |
| forumsmatthew | Have you looked at the strides made by phpBB lately? | 23:00 |
| ubuntugeek | Yes! | 23:00 |
| ubuntugeek | I think we need to start fresh by removing these forums and putting up a new fresh forum with phpbb | 23:00 |
| ubuntugeek | start over, clean slate | 23:01 |
| forumsmatthew | it would satisfy the "hey, this isn't open source" crowd | 23:01 |
| bapoumba | W00t ! | 23:01 |
| ubuntugeek | True it would | 23:01 |
| jdong | yeah, that definitely sounds nice :) | 23:01 |
| forumsmatthew | you guys take all the fun out of trolling. ;) | 23:02 |
| ubuntugeek | boo | 23:02 |
| jdong | we need to port over the IE6-like error pages though ;-) | 23:02 |
| bapoumba | Experts we have become | 23:02 |
| forumsmatthew | lol | 23:02 |
| ubuntugeek | Anyways, we are a few revisions behind on our forum software patches so I would like to schedule a downtime to put those patches in. | 23:02 |
| forumsmatthew | when would be good for you? | 23:03 |
| ubuntugeek | we are looking at about 20 minutes of downtime. I'm thinking tomorrow morning around 8am EST. | 23:03 |
| Technoviking | I think any time would be fine except during the glocal jam and 9.10 release day | 23:03 |
| ubuntugeek | Right | 23:03 |
| forumsmatthew | that should work. We could put up an announcement today and leave it up until we're done | 23:04 |
| forumsmatthew | minimize the freak outs | 23:04 |
| jdong | announcement definitely needed | 23:04 |
| ubuntugeek | Yep, agreed. I'll take care of that after the meeting. | 23:04 |
| bapoumba | +1 | 23:04 |
| jdong | we are probably seeing higher traffic due to the beta already | 23:04 |
| Technoviking | only 10000:) | 23:04 |
| forumsmatthew | yeah, it's not too bad atm | 23:04 |
| forumsmatthew | any other thoughts or business? | 23:06 |
| ubuntugeek | Traffic is pretty on par with last month | 23:06 |
| jono | Technoviking, :) | 23:06 |
| Technoviking | There was talk in the mailing of restricting sigs for naughty and new users | 23:07 |
| ubuntugeek | Yes.. that will be interesting to implement | 23:07 |
| Technoviking | is it possible without templete voodoo? | 23:07 |
| ubuntugeek | Yeah, just more complex voodoo in the backend.. but very doable. | 23:08 |
| forumsmatthew | I can think of a couple of ways (new user group with auto advance after X posts, like we do with the user title bit) | 23:08 |
| forumsmatthew | my way would require less hacking, but wouldn't be as fun | 23:08 |
| ubuntugeek | The question is how many posts before we promote the user? | 23:08 |
| ubuntugeek | to have the ability to use sig's | 23:08 |
| bapoumba | 15 was discussed I think | 23:08 |
| Technoviking | I say betwen 10-25, just enough to bore the spammers | 23:09 |
| jdong | I'd say something like the order of 15-25 is reasonable | 23:09 |
| ubuntugeek | How about 25 and be a member for 7 days | 23:09 |
| forumsmatthew | I would say 10 should be enough | 23:09 |
| jdong | 10 and a week sounds good to me | 23:09 |
| forumsmatthew | we could also limit those new accounts to posting in non-cafe locations | 23:09 |
| Technoviking | jdong: +1 | 23:09 |
| forumsmatthew | jdong: +1 | 23:09 |
| bapoumba | +1 | 23:09 |
| ubuntugeek | -1 | 23:10 |
| forumsmatthew | re: non-cafe. Just to make the "I'm going to troll by creating a duplicate account thing" a bit harder | 23:10 |
| ubuntugeek | we need more then 10 people | 23:10 |
| jcastro | hi guys | 23:10 |
| forumsmatthew | okay | 23:10 |
| forumsmatthew | hey, jcastro . welcome | 23:11 |
| jcastro | sorry I am late, I thought this was next week for some reason | 23:11 |
| bapoumba | 25 ubuntugeek ? | 23:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | 'lo all =) | 23:11 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm okay with 25. any higher seems excessive | 23:11 |
| bapoumba | hey bodhi_zazen | 23:11 |
| forumsmatthew | hi, bodhi | 23:11 |
| jdong | yeah I think 25 is as high as I'd like to go... | 23:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | sorry I am late | 23:11 |
| jdong | I've been at forums before that used 25 posts for posting IMG links | 23:11 |
| Technoviking | same here | 23:12 |
| jdong | and users tended to find that excessive | 23:12 |
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| Technoviking | jcastro: we are just finishing one thing and then we can chat with you | 23:13 |
| Technoviking | so 25 and one week | 23:13 |
| jdong | Technoviking: +1 | 23:14 |
| bapoumba | okay | 23:14 |
| forumsmatthew | yeah, I'm okay with 25 posts / 7days. +1 | 23:14 |
| Technoviking | If we get many complaint about the limit we can revitist | 23:14 |
| Technoviking | revisit | 23:14 |
| Technoviking | :) | 23:14 |
| ubuntugeek | 10 posts is easy for a spammer | 23:14 |
| forumsmatthew | good point | 23:14 |
| jdong | I still have a feeling that 7 days is hard for them :) | 23:15 |
| jdong | but either way, we can fine-tune the parameters later on | 23:15 |
| jdong | having the framework there is most important | 23:15 |
| ubuntugeek | yep | 23:15 |
| ubuntugeek | +1 | 23:15 |
| forumsmatthew | any thoughts about the "limited to non-cafe posts" idea? good/bad/not worth implementing? | 23:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | I would -1 that | 23:16 |
| bapoumba | well was that not 25 posts in support area ? | 23:16 |
| ubuntugeek | I that would incite a riot :) | 23:16 |
| jdong | hmm I'm initially -1 | 23:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | either we have a cafe or we do not | 23:16 |
| jdong | 25 support posts is quite a lot | 23:16 |
| ubuntugeek | Since cafe posts don't count anways | 23:16 |
| jdong | we don't want to be suggesting that new users should try hard to post 25 things in the support areas | 23:16 |
| forumsmatthew | that's reasonable | 23:16 |
| Technoviking | forumsmatthew: I like it, I think we need a user group for people who get naughty in the cafe, but still allow access to the tech areas | 23:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think moderation should be with a "light touch" as topics in the cafe are controversial and we do not want to appear biased | 23:17 |
| forumsmatthew | topics in the cafe shouldn't be controversial | 23:17 |
| bapoumba | can we prevent one member to post in one specific thread ? | 23:17 |
| forumsmatthew | that was what the now-failed backyard was for | 23:17 |
| ubuntugeek | bap: permissions are on a category level | 23:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | lol | 23:17 |
| bapoumba | ubuntugeek, ok | 23:18 |
| ubuntugeek | Shall we discuss items with jcastro now | 23:18 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm convinced we don't need this. However, since it had been brought up in the staff forum and we had not had an opportunity to discuss it, I thought we should | 23:18 |
| forumsmatthew | yep | 23:19 |
| jcastro | hi everyone! Thanks for having me. | 23:19 |
| ubuntugeek | /wave | 23:19 |
| jdong | our pleasure | 23:19 |
| forumsmatthew | hi | 23:19 |
| bapoumba | hello jcastro | 23:19 |
| jcastro | So what I would like to do is collect a set of concerns/ideas/whatever from you for things the community team can help you with | 23:19 |
| Technoviking | hey Jorge | 23:19 |
| jcastro | so basically, what can the community team do in the 10.04 cycle for you | 23:20 |
| * jcastro waves back | 23:20 | |
| bapoumba | jcastro, do you have specific ideas ? | 23:20 |
| jdong | well I guess admittedly I'm not very familiar with what the Community Team does | 23:20 |
| ubuntugeek | Jdong: me either | 23:21 |
| jcastro | well, so for example lately I've been monitoring the karmic forums | 23:21 |
| jcastro | and helping getting calls for testing out. | 23:21 |
| jcastro | jdong: ok so basically, there's me to do upstream relations, daniel does internal developer stuff, and david does translations | 23:22 |
| jdong | jcastro: upstream, as in upstream with respect to Ubuntu? | 23:22 |
| jcastro | so is there any areas in the forums where you feel we could improve interaction with other parts of the project for example? | 23:22 |
| jcastro | jdong: yes, so like, Debian, GNOME, etc. | 23:23 |
| bapoumba | we have a devlink forum that is not much used by devs | 23:23 |
| jdong | gotcha | 23:23 |
| jcastro | bapoumba: yeah, I was just thinking that | 23:23 |
| bapoumba | :) | 23:23 |
| jdong | improving communications between us and the developers is definitely a big TODO area | 23:23 |
| jcastro | bapoumba: but lately I think 23meg and I have just been posting the calls for help directly in the karmic forum | 23:23 |
| Amaranth | jdong: I try :) | 23:23 |
| jcastro | which I think works better anyway | 23:23 |
| jdong | I still get the feelings that a good chunk of the developer community are generally disinterested in looking at the forums :) | 23:23 |
| jdong | (or use it as a running gag) | 23:24 |
| bapoumba | jcastro, yes | 23:24 |
| jdong | Amaranth: I do too ;-) | 23:24 |
| Technoviking | jdong been better in release cycle | 23:24 |
| ScottK | +1 on being disinterested in looking at forums. | 23:24 |
| bapoumba | jcastro, is there still a need for the devlink forum ? | 23:24 |
| jcastro | yeah but do you really need/want all the developers reading the forums? What would that accomplish? | 23:25 |
| jcastro | I think getting feedback from forum users to developers is more than enough | 23:25 |
| jcastro | bapoumba: I am not sure. Maybe? | 23:25 |
| jdong | jcastro: well we're primarily interested in getting information (useful) from the forums to the developers, and vice-versa | 23:25 |
| bapoumba | jcastro, I'm just asking | 23:25 |
| bapoumba | jcastro, many threads get created there and get moved to other forums | 23:25 |
| jdong | I don't blame the devs; the forums tend to have a poor signal to noise ratio | 23:25 |
| jdong | that is only naturally when you have a large freely-posting community | 23:26 |
| jdong | natural* | 23:26 |
| jcastro | bapoumba: well, for me personally I think posting directly to the dev forum at the time gets more eyes on like calls for help and stuff | 23:26 |
| bapoumba | jcastro, okay :) | 23:27 |
| Amaranth | Wasn't there a forum team that was supposed to pass along interesting ideas and problems people were having to developers? | 23:27 |
| Amaranth | And/or encourage and help with writing bug reports | 23:27 |
| jcastro | IMO that's happening | 23:27 |
| jcastro | I've seen people start a topic, discuss, and then go file a bug and link it back | 23:27 |
| bapoumba | Amaranth, I think branstorm took over the flux of ideas | 23:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | I find filing bug reports frustrating =) | 23:28 |
| bapoumba | *brainstorms | 23:28 |
| jcastro | yeah but you can't get certain vibes from brainstorm | 23:28 |
| jcastro | for example the 348573945 page thread on the software store wouldn't have happened on brainstorm | 23:28 |
| Technoviking | bodhi_zazen: ubuntu_bug <package name> FTW!!! | 23:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | It may be my fault, but it does not seem the communication on bug reports is very good | 23:29 |
| forumsmatthew | it depends on the bug, the maintainer, and the quality of info left | 23:29 |
| ScottK | jcastro: Getting forum complaints turned into bugs is a very good thing. | 23:29 |
| bapoumba | bodhi_zazen, like on forums, depends on who handles the thread | 23:29 |
| jdong | well the bugtracker is not the place for free conversation | 23:30 |
| jdong | which is a good thing (tm) | 23:30 |
| jcastro | ScottK: I think that's happening decently. 23meg seems to be pretty good at whipping long threads into proper reports | 23:30 |
| ScottK | That's good to hear. | 23:30 |
| bapoumba | ScottK, jcastro many forums people do that (report bugs and link back) | 23:30 |
| jcastro | bapoumba: I think that's good | 23:30 |
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| jcastro | ok, so that's actionable, I can put "encourage people to use the forums to discuss bug reports" | 23:31 |
| ScottK | That's a much more effecient way to communicate problems to developers than getting developers to look at bugs. | 23:31 |
| jcastro | so perhaps we can keep the discussion in the forums, and then people can selectively put the good stuff in the report | 23:31 |
| jcastro | as opposed to having a bug report with lolcats on it. | 23:31 |
| bapoumba | we keep the lolcats ^^ | 23:32 |
| ScottK | Sounds good. | 23:32 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: +1, will pull back and forth debate from LP, and keeo bug report cleaner for the dev | 23:32 |
| Amaranth | jcastro: But bug reports with 400 comments are so easy to read! | 23:32 |
| jcastro | ok, what else? | 23:32 |
| Technoviking | Amaranth: and War and Peace is light reading:) | 23:33 |
| * Amaranth found an awesome patch for Xorg lost in such a bug report today, is a bit bitter | 23:33 | |
| jcastro | I think self-policing has gotten a ton better | 23:33 |
| jcastro | I see people asking if someone has filed a bug and linking to it | 23:34 |
| Technoviking | ubuntugeek: Will we need server resources during the next cycle, before the release o Ubuntu 10.04 LTS? | 23:34 |
| jcastro | and also people asking to confirm someone's NEW bug, which I think is good | 23:34 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: What can the forums do during the Gobal Jam,(should have thought of this sooner, sorry) | 23:35 |
| Technoviking | s/gobal/global | 23:35 |
| ubuntugeek | technoviking: I think we'll be ok, since we resolved the slave crashing things have been pretty smooth. We | 23:35 |
| jcastro | Technoviking: I don't know, I should have thought of it sooner too | 23:35 |
| jcastro | Technoviking: I guess the local teams can use it to link up with people close to them | 23:35 |
| jcastro | I think global jam is more irc-ish and more real-life interaction | 23:36 |
| Technoviking | We could create a prefix for the karmic forum (UGJ) for people post, ask for bug confirmation,etc... | 23:36 |
| jcastro | that could work | 23:37 |
| forumsmatthew | I'm really sorry, all. I have to go. | 23:37 |
| jcastro | I'll take an item to do more forum interaction for the global jam | 23:37 |
| Technoviking | I will atleast create a stick/announement for it tonight | 23:37 |
| forumsmatthew | thanks to jcastro and everyone for being here! | 23:37 |
| jcastro | thanks forumsmatthew@ | 23:37 |
| ubuntugeek | Yep thanks all | 23:37 |
| bapoumba | bye forumsmatthew | 23:37 |
| jcastro | anything else? | 23:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | bye forumsmatthew | 23:37 |
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| Technoviking | I can't think of anything | 23:37 |
| jcastro | ok, so in that case, just feel free to ping me throughout the cycle if you need anything | 23:38 |
| jcastro | my email is jorge at ubuntu.com | 23:38 |
| ubuntugeek | Sounds good jorge | 23:38 |
| jdong | we'll definitely be in contact as ideas come up | 23:38 |
| jcastro | brutal. | 23:38 |
| Technoviking | thanks | 23:38 |
| jdong | look forward to working with your team | 23:38 |
| jcastro | omgpinkponies | 23:38 |
| ubuntugeek | :P | 23:39 |
| maco | jcastro: no you cannot have a pony | 23:39 |
| jcastro | <-- not yours | 23:39 |
| Technoviking | Ubuntu Pink Ponies for 13.x would be awesome | 23:39 |
| maco | is this the FC? | 23:40 |
| ubuntugeek | Does anyone have any other topics to discuss? | 23:40 |
| Technoviking | nope | 23:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | no | 23:40 |
| Technoviking | hiya maco | 23:40 |
| ubuntugeek | Great, thanks for coming everyone. | 23:40 |
| bapoumba | not from me | 23:40 |
| jdong | all set here | 23:41 |
| Technoviking | later all | 23:42 |
| ubuntugeek | Until next month then. See you all later | 23:42 |
| bapoumba | bye ! | 23:42 |
| jdong | bye! | 23:42 |
| Joeb454 | hello and bye to everyone then :) | 23:42 |
| Joeb454 | I forgot :( | 23:42 |
| ubuntugeek | Its ok Joe | 23:43 |
| bapoumba | hey Joeb454 :) | 23:43 |
| Joeb454 | thanks ubuntugeek :) | 23:46 |
| Joeb454 | and hey bapoumba | 23:46 |
| Joeb454 | I've read up anyway, so I have a vague idea of what was discussed | 23:47 |
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