[00:21] <MenZa> Could someone write !stats-#ubuntu-offtopic IRC stats for #ubuntu-offtopic can be found at http://lassehavelund.com/ubuntu-offtopic/. Maintained by MenZa.
[04:32] <aprilhare> hello
[04:34] <MenZa> aprilhare: Hi.
[04:34] <MenZa> aprilhare: How may we assist you today?
[04:34] <aprilhare> hey menza. you could help me if you were topyli which you are not :) he banned me from #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:34] <MenZa> Oh.
[04:35] <MenZa> I would assume topyli's asleep right now.
[04:35] <aprilhare> apparently
[04:35] <aprilhare> when does topyli normally awaken?
[04:35] <MenZa> I'd say you should be able to catch him around 4 hours from now, but I can't promise anything.
[04:36] <aprilhare> no worries. no rush :) i don't expect to ever be back in #ubuntu-offtopic but hey going through the motions
[04:37] <aprilhare> i love being blamed for the actions of trolls
[04:37] <aprilhare> bbl
[04:37] <MenZa> of course I don't know about the reasons for the ban or anything like that, but we're generally pretty forgiving if you promise to be ni-
[04:37] <MenZa> oh well.
[04:37] <MenZa> looks like he was just feeding a troll to me, but I can't say I read the logs in detail.
[04:41] <Flannel> It wasn't trolling, it was their usual behavior, and they've been warned about it in the past.
[04:41] <Flannel> Well, "usual" means regular, albeit not frequent as far as I know.
[04:41] <MenZa> what I *don't* understand is topyli's neglegtance to ban Peddy
[04:41] <Flannel> Heh
[04:42] <MenZa> oh well, that'll have to be for topyli to figure out.
[04:42]  * MenZa goes back to his coursework
[05:41] <jussi01> MenZa: he was going to speak to peddy but peddy left first...
[05:57]  * elky is clearly tired as she read that as "spank". 
[06:15] <Flannel> Erm
[06:15] <Flannel> He pinged the channel earlier, where's the ban?
[06:15] <jussi01> Im watching
[06:16] <Flannel> 12.5 hours ago he CTCPd the channel
[06:52] <topyli> MenZa: from what it looked like to me at the time, peddy was a sugar rushed kid who got excited when aprilhare gave him a push to the direction they did. i should have opened a query with him at once, but didn't and missed him
[06:54] <topyli> i always forget there are people who actually /quit irc from time to time :(
[06:58] <jussi01> topyli: memo'd him?
[07:00] <topyli> *and* i didn't do that either!
[07:45] <jussi01> #k no longer has flood bots. tsimpson hasnt been around for ages, and hasnt told us about where they are or how to sort them.
[07:55] <elky> he's been in and out. k1 is on my linode
[08:05] <jussi01> if anyone sees tsimpson, ask him to grab me? or at least email me/query me with some info/instructions on the FB's
[10:00]  * jussi01 sighs at linux-ops in #u
[10:08] <linux-ops> forwarded ?
[10:12] <jussi01> linux-ops: no, why would you be?
[10:13] <jussi01> linux-ops: anything else you need from us?
[12:15] <ikonia> linux-ops: is there anything else you need ?
[12:16] <elky> linux-ops, our policy about idling is in the topic. type /topic if you failed to read it on your way in.
[12:58] <jussi01> we should really update the topic some. "we reserve the right to remove idlers" doesnt really say "please dont idle here after your query is dealt with"...
[12:58] <jussi01> thoughts?
[13:01] <gord> yeah, the former just implies "you might be removed but nothing saying you can't hang around"
[13:03] <jussi01> I cant think atm, someone care to suggest wording?
[14:12] <aprilhare> hello
[14:14] <gord> hi, what can we do you for
[14:15] <aprilhare> hey gord
[14:15] <aprilhare> am i banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:16] <aprilhare> the last time i asked i was told I was
[14:17] <Amaranth> aprilhare: yeah, looks like you got banned for some incredibly ban topics
[14:17] <Amaranth> aprilhare: you'll want to talk to topyli
[14:17] <aprilhare> he's not marked as away - is he active?
[14:17] <topyli> oh hey aprilhare
[14:17] <aprilhare> hello topyli
[14:18] <topyli> yes afaik you are still banned
[14:18] <aprilhare> ok
[14:18] <topyli> of course, we can change that though :)
[14:18] <aprilhare> sounds interesting.. :)
[14:20] <topyli> pretty simple even, would work something like this: you promise to stay within acceptable conduct, and i unban you
[14:20] <topyli> @login
[14:20] <topyli> @btlogin
[14:21] <aprilhare> the error of my ways apparently was making a sheep sound at a trolling new zealander
[14:21] <topyli> that was your last error before being banned, yes
[14:21] <aprilhare> i like joking with my neighbours from across the tasman. usually they don't go overboard like that
[14:22] <aprilhare> i believe it may have been part of his trolling 'patter'
[14:22] <topyli> i'm a finn and i love to pick on the swedes. it's what neighbors do. we do have aspects of neighborly love/hate banter we don't bring to ubuntu channels though
[14:23] <aprilhare> its not considered picking here (both sides) to have a jovial relationship like that. the tv ads pointing out the number of sheep in NZ are testament
[14:24] <aprilhare> but if i can't be nice to a NZer and remind them of their sheep life feels empty :)
[14:24] <topyli> never mind the sheep now. you've been warned often enough without them
[14:25] <aprilhare> what have i done lately to harm anyone? are you talking months agos?
[14:25] <aprilhare> last year?
[14:25] <topyli> probably last year as well. you tend to be on or over the edge quite constantly
[14:26] <aprilhare> i'm not taking back making a sheep sound. it's acceptable conduct. his was not and was timed to offend. i believe i'm getting laden with his offensive conduct
[14:27] <topyli> agreed, his conduct was very much unacceptable
[14:27] <topyli> right now, we're discussing yours though
[14:29] <aprilhare> so i'm banned for edgy conduct? that's like getting banned for 'nearly' breaking rules. nearly definitely not breaking rules.
[14:31] <topyli> personally, i would find that unacceptable from someone like you who has been around long enough and knows what is expected. not sure though if that would be correct conduct from *me* as an operator. however, that is not the case
[14:34] <topyli> so if i failed to make myself clear, you do cross the line frequently as i've said a few times before
[14:34] <aprilhare> glad you've got a metric for these things. hate to be miscounted.
[14:35] <topyli> okay
[14:35]  * MenZa sighs.
[14:36]  * topyli goes home
[14:38]  * MenZa hugs topyli 
[14:42] <ikonia> topyli: I'm talking to him in pm at the moment
[14:42] <ikonia> hope that's acceptable
[14:48] <MenZa> How can I get access to the bantracker?
[14:57] <genii> MenZa: In #ubottu @btlogin
[15:00] <MenZa> @btlogin
[15:00] <MenZa> ._.
[15:02] <jpds> MenZa: º_°
[15:02]  * MenZa stabs jpds 
[15:02] <Pici> MenZa: first of all, you need to do it in a pm with ubottu
[15:02] <MenZa> I... see.
[15:02] <Pici> secondly, I don't know if you actually have access.
[15:02] <MenZa> I doubt it.
[15:03] <MenZa> Hence my initial request. :P
[15:03] <jpds> Pici: No, ubottu stays silent in PM which is really, really, really annoying.
[15:03] <MenZa> :s
[15:03] <MenZa> That is fairly annoying.
[15:05] <Pici> 10:04:47 <?jimmy_birer> Pici:im trolling
[15:05]  * Pici boggles
[15:05] <Pici> Guess I don't get to use my witty kick message then
 Pici: I'm banning
[15:06] <jussi01> Pici: sorry, I didnt ban, so be ready if he makes another appearance
[15:06] <Pici> jussi01: Oh, I am.
[15:09] <MenZa> So, bantracker. If I *do* have access, how do I use it?
[15:10] <jussi01> MenZa: 1. Im pretty sure you dont. 2. @login then @btlogin if you do.
[15:10] <MenZa> Right.
[15:10] <jpds> jussi01: Yeah, fix it so it recognizes commands in PM.
[15:10] <MenZa> Who would I talk to in order to acquire access? (I'm looking at you, jpds)
[15:11] <jpds> Not me.
[15:11] <MenZa> Hm
[15:11]  * Pici looks at jpds too
[15:11] <jussi01> jpds: you have the code, and you know how to code... patches welcome.
[15:11]  * Pici makes a face
[15:11] <jussi01> Ill figure it out (read old logs) soon, so me.
[15:11] <MenZa> Whee.
[15:11]  * MenZa runs off.
[15:12] <jpds> jussi01: Works fine on both ubot2, and 4, so something is broken in ubottu's config.
[15:12] <Pici> MenZa: we're looking into it. tsimpson used to wave his magic wand, but hes mia right now.
[15:16]  * jpds ponders porting the factoids DB to storm.
[15:18] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[15:20] <jpds> Amaranth: Yeah, that's what I get looking at the current code.
[15:20]  * jussi01 slaps MenZa
[15:23] <jussi01> argh, just when I want him to test it, he disappears. grumble
[15:27] <topyli> ikonia: by all means talk to him
[15:32] <jussi01> maco: awake?
[15:33] <aprilhare> re
[15:33] <ikonia> aprilhare: hey, thanks for joining
[15:33] <maco> yes
[15:33] <jussi01> maco: pm
[15:33] <aprilhare> no worries ikonia
[15:33] <ikonia> aprilhare: ok, so based on our discussion I'll remove the ban from offtopic, and you'll try to put a little more thought into the conversation ?
[15:33] <aprilhare> ok
[15:33] <topyli> hi aprilhare. i heard good news that we can lift the ban
[15:34] <aprilhare> good news is good
[15:34] <aprilhare> lifted? :)
[15:35] <ikonia> doing so
[15:35] <ikonia> I'm not that quick
[15:35] <ikonia> aprilhare: there we go all done
[15:35] <aprilhare> don't banter with the troll :)
[15:35] <aprilhare> ok thanks ikonia, topyli
[15:35] <topyli> i wonder if that was a success. please try joining, aprilhare
[15:35] <ikonia> enjoy, please keep in mind our conversation though
[15:35] <aprilhare> ok
[15:36] <ikonia> topyli: didn't look like it worked, hence why I've just doubled up on it
[15:36] <topyli> great
[15:37] <aprilhare> no worries, talk to youse in channel :)
[15:37] <aprilhare> bye
[15:37] <topyli> thanks ikonia
[15:38] <ikonia> no no, all cool
[16:16] <MenZa> jussi01: return.
[16:52] <MenZa> Watch out for yanndan in #ubuntu
[17:03] <Pici> nalioth: Would you mind handing ownership of #ubuntu-+1 to UbuntuIrcCouncil please?
[17:03] <nalioth> Pici: ok
[19:48]  * MenZa spits out his coffee at #ubuntu
[19:49]  * MenZa quotes Pratchett: "Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind."
[19:49] <MenZa> What on earth is that, then?!
[19:49] <genii> What a waste of good coffee
[19:49] <MenZa> Yes. :(
[19:59] <Pici> !spelling
[19:59]  * Pici blinks
[19:59] <nalioth> who runs ubuntulog ?
[20:00] <MenZa> well, contact is set to rt@ubuntu.com
[20:00] <Pici> nalioth: its /whois says to contact rt@ubuntu.com
[20:00] <nalioth> thanks, folks
[20:16] <MenZa> I'm starting to seriously consider putting "No, we don't have any Wave invitations." in the topic of -ot
[20:19] <genii> There was previously some guy with a nick to that effect... NEEDWAVEINVITE    or such
[20:22] <MenZa> >_<
[20:29] <gord> MenZa: you will need to put it in every other irc channel on the planet
[20:31] <Pici> And the guy named 'wavez' wasn't asking for an invite.
[20:31] <MenZa> gord: yeah well
[21:16] <Amaranth> This makes me wish I'd signed up as a developer
[21:18] <genii> Long hours, low pay, people giving you ulcers.... what's not to want?
[22:23] <jrib> ok, what is wave?
[22:23] <jrib> and, do you have any invites!?   ... just kidding
[22:23] <ikonia> I was wondering alsop
[22:25] <jrib> ikonia: wave.google.com I guess
[22:25] <ikonia> oooh, lets see
[22:25]  * jrib prefers irc!
[22:26]  * jrib goes shortsell some google stock
[22:27] <jrib> wow, the spell check is impressive
[22:34] <jrib> ikonia: skip to 1:08:45 <-- cool
[22:35] <ikonia> ha ha, hang on
[22:35] <ikonia> not watched the video yet
[22:36] <jrib> I hate videos, so slow...
[22:38] <jrib> 1:13:20 is cool too
[22:39] <ikonia> I like that you're getting excited
[22:39] <jrib> ikonia: yeah, I'm starting the migration process for #ubuntu as we speak
[22:40] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[22:40] <jrib> I forgot: ⸮
[22:40] <MenZa> baha.
[22:40] <MenZa> the video was pretty impressive.
[22:41] <jrib> too bad I hate all web browsers
[22:42] <MenZa> jrib: write a wave desktop application then!
[22:42] <jrib> MenZa: did you see the console client they had?
[22:42] <MenZa> yup
[22:42] <jrib> I like that one
[22:42] <MenZa> I lol'd
[22:42] <MenZa> hah
[22:43] <MenZa> I'd like a native gtk paplication for it.
[22:43] <MenZa> application too.
[22:45] <jrib> hmm, if I sign up for this credit card, they will give me 5 train trips that usually cost me up to 100 bucks... /me goes for it
[22:51] <nalioth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_wave  jrib
[22:55] <MenZa> I think I should step away from #ubuntu in my current state of mind, or I might just start screaming profanities at someone.
[22:55]  * MenZa leaves window #14 alone.
[22:56]  * MenZa instead goes to vent in ##club-ubuntu when required.
[23:30] <ikonia> I'm getting really fed up with sebsebseb
[23:31] <Flannel> that's not uncommon.  What's he doing now?
[23:32] <ikonia> guy was offtopic, he was asked to stop, about 4 minutes later seb hits with with !ot
[23:32] <ikonia> the guy then signed out
[23:34] <Flannel> Mmmm, uninformed bot calls
[23:40] <ikonia> now he's just hitting people with the !bot factoid ?
[23:42] <Flannel> ikonia: you webcam > dude, then dude replied to ubottu, and so he !hi mistakenly, then !bot to give the guy info on the fact he was a bot
[23:42] <Flannel> Poor form, but not random
[23:45] <ikonia> I think it's bed time, may want to keep an eye on eric_xtc
[23:47]  * ikonia shakes head
[23:52] <ikonia> Flannel: as you're active I've tried to nudge him to explain "again" about the topic of ubuntu - not had a response, so you may want to keep an eye for him coming back
[23:53] <ikonia> hello VCoolio
[23:53] <VCoolio> ah hi, here I am; so what's the penalty on being kicked?
[23:54] <ikonia> VCoolio: the policy is not to discuss other peoples ban's with 3rd parties, however eric has been removed from the channel while the guidelines of the channel are explained to him again
[23:54] <ikonia> I don't really want to go beyond that
[23:55] <VCoolio> it's ok; so the penalty also depends on the reason, it's not the same when kicked?
[23:55] <ikonia> individual issues are delt with on an individual basis
[23:55] <VCoolio> ok thanks
[23:55] <ikonia> not a problem