[00:33] <sadmac> ion, Keybuk: `precludes`?
[00:34] <ion> keeps from happening; prevents; makes impossible? :-P
[00:35] <sadmac> ion: antiprecludes?
[00:35] <sadmac> :P
[00:35] <ion> run-this-shit-before-running-that-shit turtle
[00:35] <sadmac> ion, Keybuk: permits
[00:36] <sadmac> ugh, sounds too security-ish
[00:36] <Keybuk> leverages
[00:36] <Keybuk> synergises
[00:36] <sadmac> Keybuk: then business analysts will try to use upstart to save money
[00:37] <ion> There should be an ENTERPRISE stanza.
[00:37] <Keybuk> monetises!
[00:38] <sadmac> ion: upstart is too simple to contain one. We're going to implement a java/netbeans framework on top of upstart for users needing that.
[00:38] <Keybuk> upstart.NET
[00:38] <sadmac> ion, Keybuk : precedes
[00:39] <Keybuk> still implies an order
[00:39] <sadmac> Keybuk: we want to imply an order, just a nesting/stacking order rather than a temporal one.
[00:41] <Keybuk> below
[00:41] <Keybuk> above
[00:41] <Keybuk> ;)
[00:41] <ion> The Enterprise version of Upstart should use XML config files. And XSLT somewhere.
[00:41] <sadmac> ion: files? fuck no
[00:41] <sadmac> ion: Upstart-EE pulls its configuration off the ESB in SOAP form from the service configuration servelet
[00:42]  * sadmac did time in IT
[00:44] <sadmac> ion: this lets you keep your job definitions in oracle apps
[01:46] <sadmac> (abcdefgish (abcdish (EXP 'a 'b 'x 'x 'c)) (efgish (EXP 'e 'f 'x 'x 'x 'g)))
[01:46] <sadmac> Its been a long week. This is what's come of it ^^
[01:47] <sadmac> I consider myself one who dislikes lisp, but I do so love S-expressions
[20:26] <ion> keybuk: It would be nice if cron jobs could spout any crap into std{out,err} but the admin would only get the output as email if the job returned a non-zero value. Upstart should behave that way when it implements cron functionality. :-)
[20:27] <sadmac2> ion: would you care for a pony as well?
[20:28] <sadmac2> :)
[20:28] <ion> sadmac: A kitchen sink would be just fine.
[20:28] <sadmac2> wouldn't it, though?
[20:49] <ion> From now on, i’ll be using http://johan.kiviniemi.name/software/releases/e2croncheck to run e2fsck for my server’s partitions weekly.
[20:58] <sadmac2> ion: I'll be using ferrets, but good luck to you
[21:35] <Md> ion: I am not sure... cron jobs are often used for reporting non-error conditions too
[21:47] <ion> How about a stanza that sets the behavior for the job?