[00:23] <Balsaq> if i download drivers for sti graphics cad and they are not the cprrect drivers does it harm my operating system in any way? or have i just loaded useless drivers?
[00:23] <Balsaq> ati graphics card i meant to say*
[07:21] <pete__> how do i adjust screen brightness??
[10:52] <Balsaq> anyone in here know anyhting about partitioning
[10:52] <TheSheep> !partition
[10:53] <TheSheep> Balsaq: ask a specific question
[10:55] <Balsaq> i already di my install, now was told i may not have done a coeerect partition, using the most favorable filing system. now i want to learn how to look in my computer and see if i used the most favorable filing sytem when i did my install?
[10:55] <Balsaq> i checked you r link and it seemd to think it was done in the most favorable way?
[10:56] <Balsaq> i want to know which file system it chose for me?
[10:56] <TheSheep> open a terminal and type 'mount'
[10:56] <Balsaq> ok
[10:57] <Balsaq> lotta stuff written in there
[10:57] <TheSheep> the first line is something like  /dev/sda3 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,commit=600)
[10:57] <TheSheep> what's after the 'type' tells you what filesystem you are using
[10:57] <TheSheep> ext4 in this case
[11:00] <Balsaq> tmpfs on|lib|init|rw type tmpfs (rw,nosnid,mode=0755)
[11:00] <Balsaq> is that it
[11:00] <Balsaq> or next line
[11:01] <Balsaq> that is the line after the dev line
[11:01] <Balsaq> getting my notes BRB
[11:05] <Balsaq> this guy was saying do to gparted, set partiton size, but before i apply set to ext 3 or 4, then do the boot flag...all this stuff i didnt do when i di my install...he says when a computer was a windows compouter is best to set it up a cetain way to utuilize the best filing system
[11:06] <Balsaq> so as far as i know i am ok...but he is telling me this BS? just wondering if i did the correct thing eventhough none of this happened?
[11:13] <Balsaq> i just put  the disc in and ot went in, at one pint it showed w98 and bubtu and a blinking curser...i decided at that moment to wipe out w98 and did it...then iwent on with install of buntu CLEAN. so ifthat is partitioning and using the correct file system then i did it. but i never did all the steps he tolm about?
[11:15] <Balsaq> doe sanyone have a comment on this, did i do it right even though i never did all the stuff he mentioned?
[11:16] <KXDTRAU_MU> hi.help wanted. i added  2 harddrives and i dont know how to see them :)
[11:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> ?
[11:20] <KXDTRAU_MU> anyone?
[11:20] <premorphos> KXDTRAU_MU: there is alot on this subject on the forum
[11:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> i couldnt find any
[11:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> i just need to see the harddrives
[11:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> how i can see them?
[11:21] <premorphos> i had the same trouble. thing is you have to mount them
[11:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> i tried to see em from terminal but failed
[11:21] <KXDTRAU_MU> mount?
[11:22] <KXDTRAU_MU> they are not on use.ide pri and slave
[11:22] <KXDTRAU_MU> usb
[11:22] <KXDTRAU_MU> i mean
[11:22] <premorphos> !fstab
[11:23] <premorphos> samething for you Balsaq you need to mount the partitions
[11:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmmm
[11:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> so they cant work??
[11:24] <Balsaq> looked it says ext3
[11:24] <premorphos> ofcourse
[11:24] <Balsaq> so am i ok with ext3?
[11:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> as a 2 day old xubuntu user i didnt get where i have to look
[11:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> so i need to create partition inside them to make them work?
[11:25] <premorphos> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[11:25] <premorphos> no
[11:26] <premorphos> im not familiar with the usb drive mounting i just know it is possible..
[11:27] <KXDTRAU_MU> i connected usb stick and it worked ok
[11:27] <KXDTRAU_MU> but ide harddrives...hard.
[11:27] <Balsaq> great link thanks
[11:27] <premorphos> noprob
[11:27] <Balsaq> so did you say i am ok with the ext3?
[11:28] <Balsaq> oh well thanks again
[11:29] <premorphos> that my friend is probably one of yore partitions u need to mount it and you are all set
[11:30] <premorphos> when you read the info on fstab you will understand what to do
[11:30] <premorphos> gr8 article on wikipedia on fstab
[11:30] <Balsaq> are you speaking too me or KXD
[11:31] <premorphos> yes
[11:31] <premorphos> you
[11:31] <Balsaq> ok so that means i never finished the jog from what you say
[11:31] <KXDTRAU_MU> my problem is unsolveable
[11:31] <Balsaq> jog=job
[11:32] <KXDTRAU_MU> i still couldnt find
[11:32] <KXDTRAU_MU> how to see harddrives
[11:35] <KXDTRAU_MU> !harddisk
[11:35] <KXDTRAU_MU> !harddrive
[11:36] <NickDeNeger> KXDTRAU_MU: sudo fdisk -l
[11:36] <KXDTRAU_MU> to run or to terminal?
[11:36] <NickDeNeger> terminal
[11:36] <Balsaq> though the link is great, its kinda like telling a kid..."here he need heart surgery just make that incision here" and expecting him to feel comfortable doing it or worse yet thinking he will be successful 1st time.
[11:37] <KXDTRAU_MU> i did Alt f2 and then paste the command
[11:37] <NickDeNeger> it's a terminal program
[11:37] <KXDTRAU_MU> ok
[11:37] <NickDeNeger> so you should open the terminal itself
[11:38] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmmmm ok now i do see drives
[11:39] <KXDTRAU_MU> how do i see inside of other disk?
[11:39] <NickDeNeger> so you see them
[11:39] <NickDeNeger> and you would like to add them to your current filesystem?
[11:39] <KXDTRAU_MU> yes.i do see them but i dont want to format either make partition of
[11:39] <KXDTRAU_MU> yes
[11:40] <NickDeNeger> is there already data on it? and if so what is the current file system?
[11:40] <KXDTRAU_MU> it shows the data and other stuff in the disks
[11:40] <KXDTRAU_MU> yes
[11:41] <KXDTRAU_MU> there is data inside
[11:41] <KXDTRAU_MU> mp3s :)
[11:41] <NickDeNeger> what filesystem is used?
[11:41] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmm
[11:41] <KXDTRAU_MU> the first on is linux one
[11:41] <NickDeNeger> you could see that in the fdisk -l output
[11:42] <KXDTRAU_MU> NTFS and FAT32
[11:42] <KXDTRAU_MU> mixed
[11:43] <NickDeNeger> the ntfs and fat32 should already appear on your desktop the linux one you can mount via mount or fstab
[11:43] <NickDeNeger> !fstab
[11:44] <KXDTRAU_MU> is there any programme which simplifies the commands?
[11:45] <NickDeNeger> not that i know sorry
[11:45] <KXDTRAU_MU> its not on the desktop
[11:46] <Balsaq> yes a list of all the terminal commands would be great
[11:46] <KXDTRAU_MU> indeed
[11:47] <Balsaq> i'm lucky i guess  ithrw ubuntu in, didnt do none of this extra stuff and whoala it runs? sounds like i am now suposed to partition or fininsh the partition but the computer doesnt seem to care...
[11:48] <KXDTRAU_MU> HPFS/NTFS
[11:48] <KXDTRAU_MU> /dev/sdb1
[11:48] <KXDTRAU_MU> how can i reach this /dev/sdb1  ?
[11:48] <Balsaq> can read the links all day long but they don't mean a gd thing to me
[11:49] <NickDeNeger> KXDTRAU_MU: first make a directory in: /media
[11:49] <NickDeNeger> for example /media/ntfs1
[11:49] <KXDTRAU_MU> ok, now somehow i managed to see the harddrives, i wanted to open a shortcut and now in the shortcut menu
[11:50] <KXDTRAU_MU> i do see 20 gb media and 10gb media and also i other hd
[11:50] <NickDeNeger> then you can type: sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/ntfs1
[11:50] <NickDeNeger> yeah that are the linux drives
[11:50] <NickDeNeger> the ntfs and the fat32 drive should be named
[11:51] <NickDeNeger> this ones you can just open by clicking on the icons
[11:51] <NickDeNeger> the linux drives you need to mount manually or automatically at boottime using fstab
[11:51] <NickDeNeger> !mount
[11:51] <NickDeNeger> !fstab
[11:53] <KXDTRAU_MU> how can i format them?
[11:55] <NickDeNeger> !format
[11:55] <NickDeNeger> !GParted
[11:56] <balsaq> if i go to add/remove and uncheck the system monitor program, will it completely disappear forever or just stay in there, but be disabled? i don't want to lose it, just disable it.
[11:56] <NickDeNeger> GParted can be used as graphical format utilitie
[11:56] <NickDeNeger> utility*
[11:56] <NickDeNeger> but just like in windows the drives need to be unmounted than
[11:56] <KXDTRAU_MU> hmmm
[11:56] <KXDTRAU_MU> i am downloading it
[11:57] <NickDeNeger> KXDTRAU_MU: you can use also get it via the add/remove application or apt-get or what so ever
[11:57] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: then it will be removed permently (untill you reinstall it)
[11:57] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: what do you want to do?
[11:58] <NickDeNeger> remove it from the menu?
[11:58] <balsaq> glad i asked...just want to disable the system monitor it is sucking up 25-50 percent of my cpu dont need it, but dont want to get rid of it altogether
[11:59] <NickDeNeger> you can just close the application?
[11:59] <balsaq> was hoping that un-checking it in add remove would be like turning it off...not throwing it in the trash want to keep it just turn it off
[12:00] <balsaq> oh it doesnt run in the background all the time?
[12:00] <NickDeNeger> when you close the application it doesn't consume anymore resources
[12:00] <NickDeNeger> nope ^^
[12:00] <balsaq> OH OK
[12:00] <balsaq> whew some people have told me somepretty wild stories ill tell you
[12:01] <balsaq> had i guy tell me to dump it...i am thinking its a nice feature why dump it...just turn it off
[12:01] <NickDeNeger> you can also check the running applications in the console with: ps -Al
[12:01] <balsaq> yes i did that is when isaw it was running
[12:02] <balsaq> when firefox and syst mon are on i am at 100% cpu!
[12:02] <balsaq> i hope we are on the same page have seen many misunderstandings in here since i started
[12:03] <NickDeNeger> System Monitor only uses resources when it is running
[12:04] <balsaq> how do you know it is not running right now-curious
[12:04] <Sysi> arora is lighter
[12:04] <Sysi> and still very nice briwser
[12:04] <Sysi> *browser
[12:05] <balsaq> i will stay with this until i can feel the ground under my feet
[12:05] <balsaq> but i can tell she is bloooaateeed
[12:05] <KXDTRAU_MU> ok i did mount command but still no harddrives
[12:05] <balsaq> old cpu here
[12:06] <balsaq> this is like open source vista ...luv it though
[12:07] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: you can see that using ps -Al
[12:07] <NickDeNeger> ps -Al |  grep gnome
[12:07] <NickDeNeger> if you don't see gnome-system-monitor in the ps list it's not running :)
[12:07] <balsaq> so do a command
[12:07] <balsaq> ?
[12:08] <KXDTRAU_MU> :)
[12:08] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: if you type: ps -Al | grep gnome in the terminal and you don't see gnome-system-monitor in that list the system monitor is not running in the background
[12:09] <NickDeNeger> KXDTRAU_MU: you won't see it as a harddrive but you should be able to see the data when you enter the directory where you mounted the disk
[12:09] <balsaq> 6 things but none say system monitor...but a lot say gnome so are we cool?
[12:10] <balsaq> wonder why that other dud told me to dump it
[12:10] <NickDeNeger> yeah your cool
[12:11] <balsaq> or maybe he said "uncheck gnome" is a power hog?
[12:11] <KXDTRAU_MU> i am allready copying it Nick.:)) 1.70celeron cpu and 300mb ram,still working :)
[12:11] <NickDeNeger> k nice
[12:11] <balsaq> trying to learn it all in a week,,,,hate bein a dumb asz
[12:12] <KXDTRAU_MU> to copy somestuff from harddrive,there is an easy way : just creating a shortcut then when you see the harddrive opening it and copying the files from it :)) i didnt use any commands :D guess i am lucky :)))
[12:12] <balsaq> well thanks Nick i just about killed that feature
[12:13] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: gnome is quite a heavy desktop enviremond you could also take a look at xubuntu which is way lighter and require less system resources
[12:13] <balsaq> i also purchase that too have it in my hand right here and puppy
[12:13] <NickDeNeger> but you probably are already running it since you're in this channel lol
[12:14] <balsaq> nope not yet but i have the disc
[12:14] <balsaq> the ubuntu came in the mail 1st then got puppy and xubu
[12:15] <balsaq> i knew i needed it to be light but couldnt wait when i saw the ubu and tossed it in
[12:15] <KXDTRAU_MU> i installed ubuntu into my 8gb usb and try it in my laptop. can i use the whole system without damaging my vista system?? i do want to install whole ubuntu into usb drive.is it possible nick?
[12:17] <balsaq> now i have the 2 lightweight ones but already spent 6 hours getting ubunntu in plus 3 hrs a couple days after doing the 9.04 update so i am too burnt out to do it again for awhile
[12:17] <NickDeNeger> KXDTRAU_MU: it is possible to make your usb-stick a live cd but i don't know if you can install it on an usb stick as well probably you can
[12:17] <NickDeNeger> !usb-creator
[12:17] <NickDeNeger> !usb boot
[12:17] <NickDeNeger> blegh sec
[12:17] <KXDTRAU_MU> i have usb installiton
[12:18] <KXDTRAU_MU> i mounted img into usb
[12:18] <balsaq> they are gonna give me a used dell business puter at work to put the xubu in for fun and see which i better
[12:19] <NickDeNeger> if you have at running from usb you can also use should also be able to use it in your other PC without damaging the current OS
[12:19] <NickDeNeger> i'm not quite shure though :P
[12:19] <KXDTRAU_MU> ?)
[12:19] <KXDTRAU_MU> :)
[12:19] <balsaq> i heard i can do a line command and change to xubu very easily
[12:19] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: nice, never worked with puppy linux though
[12:20] <balsaq> well i have xubuntu disc too
[12:21] <NickDeNeger> balsaq: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <balsaq> will that lighten it all up just doing that
[12:22] <NickDeNeger> but i had some problems because it was screwing up some of my gnome icons to some quite ugly one
[12:22] <NickDeNeger> ehh you probably have to remove de ubuntu-desktop aswell there should be some tutorial at internet which tells you how to switch from ubuntu to xubuntu (or kubuntu (but this is also quite heavy))
[12:23] <balsaq> that is a joke right?
[12:23] <balsaq> oh so xubu is still heavy too
[12:24] <balsaq> then if i do jump down on this old timer i may as well jump wwaaayyy down
[12:24] <NickDeNeger> http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/01/30/howto-switch-from-ubuntu-to-kubuntu-or-xubuntu-or-edubuntu-or-vice-versa-610-edgy/
[12:24] <NickDeNeger> no xubuntu is light
[12:24] <NickDeNeger> kubuntu also is quite heavy
[12:24] <NickDeNeger> but i got to go cya
[12:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> file system
[12:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> ex 2
[12:24] <balsaq> ok thanks
[12:24] <KXDTRAU_MU> ex 3
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> ext2-3-4
[12:25] <balsaq> appreciate it Nick
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> fat16-32
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> but no NTFS
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> why??
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> linux-swap
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> partition
[12:25] <KXDTRAU_MU> which one is good? there are too many
[12:26] <balsaq> try the linuxmint
[12:26] <KXDTRAU_MU> nothing like that
[12:26] <balsaq> or maybe the redhat
[12:26] <KXDTRAU_MU> fat32
[12:27] <balsaq> hows about the mid rnage debian
[12:27] <balsaq> mid range....debian?
[12:28] <balsaq> well thanks all gotta sleep,,gotta be at work in a few hoours
[12:28] <KXDTRAU_MU> bye balsaq
[16:13] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.
[16:18] <likemindead> !hi
[16:18] <likemindead> lulz...
[16:24]  * likemindead is away: FAILURE -- Sometimes your best just isn't good enough.
[16:41] <SiDi> likemindead: wheren't you asked already to not use away messages ? :/
[16:50]  * likemindead is back (gone 00:25:50)
[17:01] <TheSheep> likemindead: can you please turn that off? we are not interested
[17:02] <likemindead> Yes... I can see I'm disturbing so much valuable chat going on...
[17:07] <Pres-Gas> likemindead, I will say, from a more practical perspective, that these channels are logged and extra chattiness can muddle a search of those logs.  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:08] <Pres-Gas> I personally do not care one way or another....it does not really annoy me, BUT for the reason above turning off the away messages is a good thing.
[17:09] <likemindead> I just love the irony that the conversations about removing away messages, nick changes, and such take up more space than the original cause.
[17:09] <Pres-Gas> More social related servers/channels the away message can be a good thing....but in this help forum, if all of us turned it on...and the bot logged that...the signal to noise ratio would not be good.
[17:09] <likemindead> Understood.
[17:10] <likemindead> I will rectify.
[18:15] <likemindead> 0__o
[18:45] <SiDi> Xubuntu karmic beta is going to be released soon. If you're interested in helping out testing Xubuntu, please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[18:48] <Pres-Gas> Thanks, SiDi!
[18:49] <SiDi> thanks to you if you take upon your time to help xubuntu ;)
[18:50]  * SiDi reboots his browser to test gnash
[18:50] <SiDi> damn, wrong channel
[18:50] <Pres-Gas> I have a Dell Latitude 2100 ready to receive said Beta iso
[18:50] <SiDi> you can test the Alpha 6 right now if you want
[18:50] <SiDi> it's pretty stable
[18:50] <SiDi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ or that
[18:51] <SiDi> there will be no changes from now till beta on the Xubuntu side, only some stuff coming from Ubuntu core, so it's actually ready for testing, imo
[18:52] <Pres-Gas> I will accept that, SiDi, I forgot about the daily builds
[18:55] <SiDi> i'm personally out of CD's, so that stopped any testing effort :D
[19:13] <tavasti> which I should use, alpha or daily build if I want to install now?
[19:17] <genii> tavasti: The stable release is recommended (9.04)
[19:18] <genii> tavasti: If you feel like using 9.10 (Karmic) perhaps hang out in #ubuntu+1 for questions/problems
[19:22] <tavasti> ok, I'll join that
[19:24] <tavasti> temptation to use karmic is strong
[19:35] <tavasti> ok, few minutes on #ubuntu+1 and now the temptation to go with karmic is much smaller...
[19:46] <likemindead> I've been using Karmic since the Alpha 6 dropped.
[19:46] <likemindead> No huge problems.
[19:48] <tavasti> list of known issues on wiki doesn't look bad, but on +1 channel they talk about 'why should we release unstable beta'
[19:49] <genii> tavasti: Yes, exactly
[19:49] <tavasti> I'm not sure what to believe
[19:50] <genii> Alpha5 made my box unusable, I've since reverted to 9.04 with 9.10 on an external usb stick install
[20:05] <tavasti> likemindead, do you have flashplugin-nonfree on your karmic?
[20:16] <likemindead> I do, tavasti. And it works better than ever before! :-)
[20:16] <likemindead> (Old PIII laptop.)
[20:18] <tavasti> thanks
[20:19] <tavasti> so it looks like there is no relevant bugs for me
[20:20] <tavasti> I didn't read resolved/fix commited etc bugs, but I assume such fixes will be released soon
[21:01] <tavasti> no bits with bittorent for xubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[21:28] <SiDi> tavasti: there are no seeds ?
[21:49] <Sysi> is xfce-look.org down?
[21:51] <Sysi> gnome-look also...
[21:54] <Sysi> seems so, need to watch for themes from deviantart then