[00:00] Riddell: it receives updates every day right [00:00] right now... [00:00] Riddell: it that segfault is fixed, then maybe we can ping upstream asking for a release date and decide of a plan [00:00] Riddell: it is not possible to release with policykit broken anyway, too many things depend on it... [00:01] I'd prefer to just roll back to a working polkit [00:01] updating to an incomplete and unstable version at this stage isn't wise [00:01] Riddell: hard to do so no ? [00:01] have you tried the old standalone version? [00:01] Riddell: what if polkit-qt upstream can release in time and there's no api breakage then ? [00:02] Riddell: nope, didn't, indeed... [00:04] Riddell: sorry, the 15 minutes disconnection :) [00:05] so you suggested eventually a second policykit in the archives then ? one for ubuntu and one for us ? === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [00:13] Tonio_: that's what we have currently [00:14] Riddell: what's the other policykit version ? [00:14] can't see it... [00:16] Riddell: would you have a package name for me cause I can't figure out which one you're talking about [00:17] 0.9 is used by KDE, 1.0 by gnome [00:17] don't know the exact versions [00:18] Riddell: unfortunatelly they use the same policykit, I'm affraid :) [00:18] Riddell: that's why I attempted the upgrade [00:21] I'm lost in a twisty maze of polkit packages all alike [00:21] Riddell: apt-cache show policykit-gnome | grep --color libpolkit [00:21] apt-cache show kdebase-workspace-bin | grep --color libpolkit [00:22] Riddell: same packages... [00:22] Riddell: OK. Shall I make it go live? [00:22] Riddell: that's why we're broken, and getting another policykit will be pretty nasty at this stage... [00:22] Or should whatever announcement's currently up stay there for some time? [00:23] the problem is that for bith policykit and packagekit, the kde part is release outside of the official project, and generally later... [00:23] Riddell: we should discuss with with the ubuntu crew so that they don't upgrade if we at kde aren't ready for that... [00:23] Riddell: every dev cycle we end up with things breaking like this.... I remember the kdebluetooth case a couple of releases ago... [00:23] Also, could some developers reply to the "Developer of the week" thread on kubuntu-devel@l.u.c please? [00:24] and translations last cycle... that's a pain to deal with for sure... [00:24] people maintaining such important backend packages should be aware there are other desktops than gnome, really.... [00:25] What? [00:25] There is something beyond these feet? [00:25] well for packagekit, glatzor did that very nicelly, but that's an exception [00:26] Tonio__: Can you raise the visibilty of that? [00:26] Publically thank him somehow? [00:26] DaSkreecH: sure [00:26] ryanakca: all the changes or just the banner? [00:26] DaSkreecH: the real deal is that to make that happen the way we want, that has to become an official policy at canonical [00:26] DaSkreecH: I see no other way.... [00:27] DaSkreecH: but I'm not the man to blog a lot :) [00:27] Tonio__: gnome is using polkit-1-gnome [00:27] also, yes, we have to raise this [00:27] *policykit-1-gnome [00:27] policykit-gnome is the old 0.9 one still there for historical/compatibility reasons [00:28] JontheEchidna: hum that stupid naming..... polkit/policykit [00:28] yeah... [00:28] makes it so hard to see the changes... [00:28] I say we blame the gnomies :P [00:28] depreciating things faster than ... gnome [00:28] okay so that's a all new policykit indeed [00:29] Riddell: you are right and I'm complaining about nothing ;) [00:29] JontheEchidna: so why are we broken right now if nothing changed ? [00:29] dunno.. everything works here [00:30] JontheEchidna: can you try this for me please ? kcmshell4 kcm_pkk_authorization [00:30] works fine here [00:30] JontheEchidna: HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ??????????????? [00:30] wow that's funky [00:30] I have the holy system [00:30] JontheEchidna: don't touch it !!!!!!!!!! [00:30] ...which is currently stuck in vesa and is otherwise very crappy [00:31] JontheEchidna: what are your policykit* packagekit* versions please ? [00:31] JontheEchidna: that's interesting [00:31] Riddell: looks like maybe the problem isn't policykit then.... more a libc thing :) [00:31] packagekit 0.4.9+20090825-0ubuntu4 [00:32] Tonio__: getting the policykit crash messages all the time? [00:32] nixternal: absolutly reproductible for me [00:32] nixternal: that's why in my attempt to fix I went on the policykit side [00:32] Tonio__: it pops up all the time for me [00:32] I have gone to the point of ignoring the damn thing [00:32] policykit 0.9-4ubuntu1 [00:32] nixternal: and is kpackagekit broken for you ? [00:33] it starts up [00:33] also reported upstream by a fedora user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204060 [00:33] KDE bug 204060 in manager "A Fatal Error Occurred The Application PolicyKit-KDE (polkit-kde-manager) crashed" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] [00:33] so not a packaging issue [00:33] nixternal: in my case it breaks when using policykit, for authentication [00:33] nixternal: very late in the package installation process [00:33] nixternal: just after resolving deps [00:33] may you guys try to install a single package please ? [00:34] is there a bug for kpackagekit and the settings dialog? it doesn't match anything and definitely doesn't use the theme's fonts [00:34] nixternal: the one for software sources? [00:34] ya [00:34] it's run as root [00:34] that's "natural". it's run as root [00:34] shouldn't be "natural" [00:35] it looks like shit honestly [00:35] I remember Redhat used to set all of Root's settings to be scary ) [00:35] first time I have ever opened kpackagekit [00:35] Red wallpapers for the desktop etc [00:35] ahaha, I remember that [00:35] with the bomb icon [00:35] there is hope for the future, though: http://imagebin.ca/view/z5xLPxlj.html [00:36] Just so that you knew what you were doing was dangerouns and you shouldn't feel comfortable and pleasant in this mode [00:36] if we can get policykit integration it won't have to run as root [00:36] "you do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action." [00:36] can't update with kpackagekit [00:37] nixternal: one option would be to have default font settings so that not everyone has to change them for smaller ones :) [00:37] 8/9 and dpi fixed to 100 are generally giving a better result than the "let the random/chance/xorg guess that and use 10" [00:38] rgreening: arora uploaded [00:38] rgreening: any reason we don't turn adblock on by default? [00:38] lets ship chrome by default :) [00:38] rgreening: I still can't log into google calendar :( [00:38] Laziness? [00:38] (although that'll be a qt issue not an arora issue probably) [00:39] Riddell: it isn't on by default in package and it's a new feature... probably we should leave it off by default just in case? [00:39] Riddell: thanks for uploading :) === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [00:40] Riddell: ? via arora? [00:40] ryanakca: I have a behind kde interview in the works so I'd rather not do one for kubuntu as well for the moment [00:40] works for me with arora... [00:40] what a F**********d up connection......... [00:40] something like 45 disconnections today.... [00:40] * Tonio_ is happy to annouced he subscribed to another ISP today... [00:41] Riddell: nice :) [00:41] Riddell: one question about the boot splash... [00:41] Riddell: what are your plans right now on that point ? [00:41] Riddell: Lovely, no worries. [00:42] Riddell: is the plan to go without any splash or ? [00:42] * ryanakca looks at Tonio_ , rgreening . [00:42] ryanakca: I wasn't there so I don't know the subject.... [00:42] ryanakca: interview for kubuntu ? [00:43] Tonio_: yes, the "Developer of the Week" thread on the ML [00:43] ryanakca: sure [00:43] sounds good [00:43] lemme look [00:43] Great, thanks :) [00:43] ryanakca: you want to send questions and I can fill out? [00:44] JontheEchidna: didn't you notice fedora seems to have fix their kpackagekit bug ? [00:44] I saw to keep it short, etc... do you have any specific format other than the ML message? [00:44] JontheEchidna: would be nice to get their latest changes between the 04 and 16 of sptember no ? [00:44] Riddell: was the google issue in arora or konq? [00:45] Riddell: You mean the KDE forum one? [00:45] rgreening: I described it more or less on the ML, 100 words, describe yourself, your contribution to Kubuntu, why you chose Kubuntu, your favourite feature, what you're working on, etc... whatever. :) [00:45] ryanakca: k. I'll review and reply to ya [00:45] prob late tonight or sometime tomorrow [00:46] Tonio_: I didn't notice. What's the best way to monitor what they do? [00:46] rgreening: Great, thanks [00:46] I thought it was amusing that other than one Question (hot tubs!) the questons were all about Kubuntu [00:47] Riddell: Also, I think I lost your reply when the breaker blew and my server went down. Countdown banner good to go live? [00:47] ryanakca: lemme know if you need someone for the dev of the week, but I don't tend to be a person who like to discuss what he does :) [00:47] I do it that's it [00:47] JontheEchidna: hum, hard to say, they have repos everywhere, it's not like us.... [00:48] JontheEchidna: trying to contact one of their kde pachagers could help.... [00:48] JontheEchidna: I'm still investigating on the technical side, so maybe you can try to do that and ping me if you fail to get it to work ? [00:48] Tonio_: *nod*, I'll let you know when submissions are running low. [00:48] JontheEchidna: also I have a broken policykit and I seem to be the only one... [00:49] JontheEchidna: so I'm affraid I'll have problems to debug this [00:49] ryanakca: kk :) [00:49] * rgreening likes to toot his horn [00:49] * rgreening has no shame [00:49] JontheEchidna: cause I'll tend to have more crashes than all of you.... maybe a corrupted binary somewhere.... [00:50] rgreening: I don't think nixternal has any either... [00:50] ryanakca: just the banner or everything going live? [00:50] nixternal: Feel like being Developer of the Week any time soon? (of course you do...) If so, mind replying to the thread on the ML please, I'd rather have a few lined up that way I'm not stuck reusing blurbs :) [00:51] Riddell: just the banner. [00:51] As for everything else, I'll wait until everything's done and make one big move. [00:53] ryanakca: yep, groovy [00:54] Tonio_: did you upload the new kdebluetooth you had? [00:57] kdebase could stand an upload [00:58] JontheEchidna: before I get disconnected again :) is that okay for you ? the fedora stuff ? [00:58] I'll search for it :) [00:59] I think they might have 0.5 already... [00:59] also, [19:54:25] Tonio_: did you upload the new kdebluetooth you had? [00:59] * shtylman shtylman is indeed alive...work just gets in the way of things :) [01:01] Riddell: nope I can do right now, will you review ? [01:01] Riddell: it's only bugfix anyway and works well here [01:02] shtylman: I think you're confused about what's activated by the release notes, that'll be the release note link not the initial warning page [01:02] Tonio_: how can I review? [01:02] Riddell: indeed...but the warning is also activated by a file [01:02] iirc [01:02] Riddell: s/review/let it go/ [01:02] Riddell: archives are frozen right now no ? [01:03] Tonio_: no [01:04] Riddell: ah... I thought there were right after the beta freeze.... I seem to remember it was like that before... [01:04] anyway I'm tired :) [01:04] Riddell: uploaded [01:04] shtylman: something must do, probably it should be on if /usr/bin/plasma-netbook exists for now [01:12] shtylman: oh also the keyboard page crashed for me when installing in Arabic [01:14] my new phone number is +1 312 772 4KDE [01:15] woohoo, Google Voice FTW! [01:15] * ryanakca watches the banner crash and burn on www.kubuntu.org ... *sigh* [01:15] Riddell: I saw that...gonna take a look at it tonight [01:24] Riddell: It did not display properly. I might have made changes to the theme in the past that aren't yet on the main site, so I'll ask the sysadmins to pull the theme and I'll try again tomorrow night (assuming a sysadmin gets around to running 'bzr pull' tomorrow) [01:26] ryanakca: ok thanks [01:41] is it too much to ask for a notes widget that does have a bent corner? [01:41] hrm [01:41] dvd burning is broken in Kubuntu [01:42] Errno: 5 (Input/output error), reserve track scsi sendcmd: no error [01:42] CDB: 53 00 00 00 00 00 1D 60 3C 00 [01:42] status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) [01:42] ... [01:43] [23721.134533] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code [01:43] [23721.134537] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE [01:43] [23721.134542] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Blank Check [current] [01:43] [ [01:43] * spstarr replaces buntu's kernel with kernel.org one [01:49] assuming a buntu kernel patch broke my dvd burner we'll see === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:54] broken in 2.6.31.1 [01:54] :( [01:54] damint shit why cant we have stable DVD/CD burning in Linux?! [01:55] maybe k3b will work [02:03] Is Koala going to use xsplash? [02:03] We don't have stable anything in linux :-P [02:06] Tonio__: Is Kubuntu using xsplash ? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [02:29] ugh [02:29] * spstarr takes Fedora's kernel config and rebuilds kernel [02:29] if that works then Ubuntu is doing something _very wrong_ [03:04] hmm [03:04] bug in kernel.org [03:04] * spstarr opens bug === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:20] heh, I am telling people it isn't safe to dl the Ubuntu Beta, but the Kubuntu Beta is working great and you should use that instead [03:21] lol [03:24] ScottK: im still not 100% on the small screen issue [03:24] I got it compressed quite a bit [03:25] but some screens are still a bit problematic... and have some overlap [03:25] imma see if I can squeeze a few more pixels out of some things... :/ === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [03:54] Riddell: there gonna be nice kubuntu lanyards this year? :) :) [03:59] nixternal: Ubuntu Beta is broken? [03:59] no, I am just being an ass when people ask :) [03:59] Ah well carry on [03:59] of course :) [04:00] Are we using xsplash? [04:01] ksplash [04:01] its builtin [04:01] though I think Riddell should investigate replacing the default animation with something like the old one... [04:01] :) [04:01] * rgreening doesnt know how hard/easy this is [04:03] ksplash, thissplash, and thatsplash are confusing...then again it has been a while since I last looked at um [04:08] nixternal: is someone working on the new amarok 2.2 packages? [04:09] * rgreening just read yer blog [04:09] dunno, but I am sure someone will :) [04:11] * rgreening wishes usb-creator-kde had a 'bigger' than 'footnote' meantion tho'... [04:11] :P [04:12] that took a lot of work :) [04:26] oh no UDS for me :( [04:31] yuriy: why? [04:33] rgreening: in our hearts we love usb-creator-kde :) [04:33] shtylman: ty :) [04:33] ha [04:34] shtylman: OK. If we can't get it, we can't get it. Did you get the mail on the OMG, kittens warning in the installer? [04:37] ScottK: .... kittens? where??! [04:37] shtylman: Email from Riddell. [04:37] ahh yes... got that mail [04:37] should be no prob [04:37] (checks now) [04:41] umm, I lost my VBox/Kickstart scripts for ISO testing :( [04:41] I didn't put them in bzr when I was supposed to either...and I believe they were on a drive that died this week [04:41] Riddell: as I suspected.... just make sure the file '/usr/share/ubiquity/intro.txt' exists and that will show on the intro page [04:42] so for your netbook stuff, make sure that makes it into the cd image or whatnot... might have to travel in a different package but as long as that file is there...the into should so... [04:42] I was thinking something like ubiquity-netbook-kde..is that to much? [04:46] * spstarr tries ../linux-image-2.6.32-rc2-custom_2.6.32-rc2-custom-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb [04:46] DVD burning is broken in Ubuntu/kernel.org .31 [05:06] ahaha [05:06] devicekit-disks is BROKEN [05:06] yeah [05:07] no [05:07] still broken [05:07] Errno: 5 (Input/output error), reserve track scsi sendcmd: no error [05:07] CDB: 53 00 00 00 00 00 1D 60 3C 00 [05:07] status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) [05:07] S [05:07] 2.6.32-rc1 broken, .31, 31.1?! [05:07] or is something is broken in Ubuntu [05:08] that's a known issue; it's not devicekit-disks [05:08] it's linux [05:09] specifically a regression in 2.6.31.1 [05:09] fixed in 2.6.32-rc1 (but 2.6.32-rc1 has broken mac80211, so...) [05:09] no it's not [05:10] Linux panic 2.6.32-rc2-custom #3 SMP Thu Oct 1 23:32:58 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [05:10] its not even fixed in RC2 [05:10] err, then we're talking of different bugs [05:11] guh, crapton of changes to scsi and libata [05:11] anyhow, i'm referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/438065 [05:11] Launchpad bug 438065 in linux "Karmic: DVDs cannot be mounted" [High,Triaged] [05:12] i dont know if they can't be mounted or not.. it just doesn't detect ANY media [05:12] what if you log out and back in after leaving the media inserted? [05:12] via ssh? [05:13] :) [05:13] still no work [05:14] [ 63.393907] sr1: Hmm, seems the drive doesn't support multisession CD's [05:14] [ 63.439100] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE [05:14] [ 63.439106] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] [05:14] [ 63.439112] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range [05:14] [ [05:14] the kernel cannot read my empty media or detect it [05:17] so.... [05:18] this doesn't work on my laptop DVD burner either :D [05:18] how wonderful [05:21] [ 63.393907] sr1: Hmm, seems the drive doesn't support multisession CD's [05:21] [ 63.439100] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE [05:21] [ 63.439106] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] [05:21] [ 63.439112] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range [05:21] [ [05:40] !pastebin | spstarr [05:40] spstarr: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [06:02] i know about pastebin, but im lazy right now :) [06:04] You're also being impolite then. [06:05] * JontheEchidna should probably get to bed... [06:06] Good night. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [07:06] gah [07:06] Kubuntu cannot read ANY DVDs even burnt ones? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [09:47] Riddell: this is your scheduled friday nag ;) [10:30] hi i am not sure if the following bug is kown: each time i start up i do not get the kde login-screen but drop to a login-shell and i havt to start kdm manually by running sudo kdm [10:31] schmidtm: how up to date are you? (I assume you are on karmic) ? [10:31] yes it is karmic and the latest updates are installed [10:32] this happens on different computers with differnet hardware so i do not think it is related to a specific driver or something similar [11:27] schmidtm: does sudo start kdm work? [11:36] Riddell: no sudo start kdm does not work too, only sudo kdm is working [11:40] Riddell: i mean it is not a real problem for me as i'm using linuy long enaugh to know what to to in most situation when my system does not do what i want, but it is somewhat annoying anyway [11:48] schmidtm: can you pastebin apt-cache policy kdm [11:49] schmidtm: also grab http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdm.conf and diff -u it against /etc/init/kdm.conf [11:54] Riddell: here you are http://paste.ubuntu.com/283725 the diff does not output anything so the files must me equal [11:57] schmidtm: 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu15~ppa1 you have a weird version there, it should be 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu14 [11:57] you'll need to remove it and reinstall it [11:59] Riddell: ok i'll do that. i'll check the output on another machine with the same problem too [12:02] Riddell: the output fro the other computer http://paste.ubuntu.com/283733 and there is the same prob and no *ppa* [12:14] schmidtm: then debugging is needed, you could try replacing the script section in /etc/init/kdm.conf with just "exec kdm" [12:27] Riddell: ok with "exec kdm" only it works - but that was what we expected. i'll add part by part again and the paste where the problem is [12:33] can someon tell me how to build quassel on cureent karmic kubuntu? someone went and moved phonon and now Ive no idea what I need to pass to it so it finds it again... === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:06] eviljussi01: Why do you need to buiid it? [14:09] ScottK: I use git. just somethign changed in kubuntu that it doesnt compile anymore [14:09] Sput: just gives me NAQP when I ask him about it [14:10] jussi01: I don't know, but the Karmic package is a handful of commits behind git is all. [14:10] ScottK: yeah, Im curious though why it wont comple. Id like to get it sorted tbh. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:12] ScottK: Im going to go play, I havent tried for a few days, lets see. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:27] jussi01: I'm packaging rc2, so we'll be caught up shortly. [14:33] testers needed for new networkmanager http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [14:35] ^Works for the default system DHCP autoconnection usecase. (wired) [14:36] for some reason it starts off in the DSL tab on the config dialog [14:38] the system tray options no longer show up in System Settings, that's good === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:49] Riddell: Any thoughts on qt4-x11 4.5.3 for Karmic? [14:51] I'm no Riddell, but in my opinion, the changeset is lower than most Qt releases, giving a lower risk for regression. Plus it is supposed to fix some Plasma flaws. With proper testing I think updating would be fine [14:54] rgreening: I had to travel to my parents and therefore did not have the time to look at kpackagekit. I will return home on monday and can do it then, if it isn't too late. Sorry. [14:54] ScottK: KDE tean is trying to descide qt 4.5.X with KDE 4.3.2 [14:54] we should watch them or ask them... Riddell^ [14:54] The other thing is pretty much all C++ apps are currently misbuilt on armel, so we'll need a qt4-x11 upload anyway. [14:54] rgreening: Good to know. We should match them. [14:55] ScottK: yes I think 4.5.3 would be good, needs testing first of course, I have it on my todo but if anyone else wants to do it first they're very welcome [14:55] neversfelde: it's 'NEVERsfelde' too late :P haha.. sure thing [14:55] Riddell: I'll see if I can make time to built it today [14:55] :) [14:57] Riddell or anyone else with an idea.... On my netbook, I have no keyboard after resume (I can click to focus on the password dialogue, but no key entries happen when I type). I've ssh'ed into the box and can type fine. Is there any forensic information I could extract that would be useful in figuring out why? [14:58] ScottK: try ALT+PrtSc+r and see if the keyboard starts working [14:58] magic key [14:58] I thinks thats the correct one [14:59] Nope [15:02] hmm.. ScottK if you kill kdm and restart, does it work then? [15:02] restart kust kdm I mean [15:02] just [15:02] * rgreening assumes yes [15:02] Not sure. I wanted to wait and see if there was any useful data to collect before restarting. [15:03] hmm.... If you can ALT+F1, then keyboard is working... it's the Xinput that's not [15:03] * rgreening guesses [15:03] Wahoo. Nothing like an OOo security update the same day as the beta release. [15:03] If I touch the keyboard, the screen wakes up. [15:05] ScottK: can you copy/paste from somewhere on screen into the input box? [15:07] Riddell: I'm getting the qt src now.. So, I should be able to start building shortly... [15:13] rgreening: see you on monday :) [15:14] Riddell: ty. Medieval Times is next to the hotel!!!!!!!!! [15:15] * rgreening is so there [15:16] * rgreening wonders if you can get dressed up in armor... [15:16] hehe [15:16] Riddell: all set for meeting today? :) Should update the channel baner [15:18] anyone else have an issue with system failing the fsck and hanging on the default kernel? I had to boot today using a prev kernel... [15:18] rgreening: kdm restart got my keboard back. Now to file a bug. [15:20] ABC is re-making V... I can't wait.. though, ABC has a bad history of making sci-fi shows and cancelling them ... [15:25] rgreening: what is Mediæval Times? [15:25] * rgreening thinks Riddell would like [15:26] Riddell: http://medievaltimes.com/ [15:26] good morning Kubuntu!!! [15:26] goot morgantag [15:26] there are Midieval Times other than here in Chicago? [15:26] I did not know that. There are like 2 or 3 of them 15 minutes from me :) [15:26] I love that place [15:27] food is OK, but the entertainment is awesome...I love going down and defending my lord [15:27] have to do the "defending my lord" in a cockney accent [15:28] haha [15:28] have you been there before? [15:28] nixternal: I'll def be there.. I love everything medieval [15:28] no.. I heard its awesome though [15:28] I guess not...yes, if you get picked which isn't hard, you can dress up in armor and battle [15:28] AWESOME!!!!! [15:29] * rgreening wants lots of pics of that [15:29] eat some chicken, throw it on the floor, and then call somebody out to battle [15:29] haha [15:29] and you gotta talk all medieval too [15:30] I love how the waiters and waitresses treat you there..it is freakin' great [15:30] fyi, they treat you like crap....they call you bad names, but names that are kid safe [15:31] cool [15:32] if you stand out as like head of the table, they will say "what can I get you my lord" [15:32] the rest they treat as peasants [15:32] oh oh oh .. thats me alright [15:32] haha [15:33] the lord == the loudmouth [15:33] I remember going with my parents a long time ago, so my dad was of course "my lord" and our waitress said (about my mom), "who is this wench? is it she who is fighting for my affection?" [15:33] I called my mom a wench for a whole week afterwards, finally ending in a spanking :) [15:34] didn't know back then it was such a mean word [15:35] though last time I went, with my neices and nephews, they seemed a bit nicer...then they give a bunch of little kids, or monsters as I call them, freakin' swords...I was attacked all night long [15:35] haha [15:36] nixternal: hahahaha [15:38] Riddell: I'm not sure if it's relevant to our kdm logout problem or not, but when I did sudo sh /etc/init.d/kdm restart it restarted KDM and then hung. [15:38] * ScottK wonders if perhaps the lack of logout is related to upstartification. [15:39] ScottK: wasn't this an issue on some systems prior to upstart changes [15:39] rgreening: That was X crashing. [15:39] The X crash was just fixed. [15:39] and aren't you supposed to now 'sudo restart kdm' instead? [15:40] ah [15:41] That hangs too. [15:41] nixternal: You're the upstart king, right? What do you think? [15:42] I had the problem before I did the upstart-ification [15:42] we had it as soon as the crash was fixed [15:44] OK, so whatever it is, that's probably the logout problem. [15:45] Riddell: There's going to be a 0.10.1 point release of arora tonight. I convinced icefox to do a point release for a SSL authentication bug (rather than cherry pick a patch). [15:45] I'll let you know when packaged. [15:46] rgreening: 0.10 arora is being a bit of a memory hog for me [15:46] Riddell: flash? [15:46] maybe [15:46] flash is misbehaving regularly [15:47]