[00:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: it receives updates every day right
[00:00] <Tonio_> right now...
[00:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: it that segfault is fixed, then maybe we can ping upstream asking for a release date and decide of a plan
[00:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not possible to release with policykit broken anyway, too many things depend on it...
[00:01] <Riddell> I'd prefer to just roll back to a working polkit
[00:01] <Riddell> updating to an incomplete and unstable version at this stage isn't wise
[00:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to do so no ?
[00:01] <Riddell> have you tried the old standalone version?
[00:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: what if polkit-qt upstream can release in time and there's no api breakage then ?
[00:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, didn't, indeed...
[00:04] <Tonio__> Riddell: sorry, the 15 minutes disconnection :)
[00:05] <Tonio__> so you suggested eventually a second policykit in the archives then ? one for ubuntu and one for us ?
[00:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's what we have currently
[00:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's the other policykit version ?
[00:14] <Tonio_> can't see it...
[00:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you have a package name for me cause I can't figure out which one you're talking about
[00:17] <Riddell> 0.9 is used by KDE, 1.0 by gnome
[00:17] <Riddell> don't know the exact versions
[00:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: unfortunatelly they use the same policykit, I'm affraid :)
[00:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I attempted the upgrade
[00:21] <Riddell> I'm lost in a twisty maze of polkit packages all alike
[00:21] <Tonio__> Riddell: apt-cache show policykit-gnome | grep --color libpolkit
[00:21] <Tonio__> apt-cache show kdebase-workspace-bin | grep --color libpolkit
[00:22] <Tonio__> Riddell: same packages...
[00:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK. Shall I make it go live?
[00:22] <Tonio__> Riddell: that's why we're broken, and getting another policykit will be pretty nasty at this stage...
[00:22] <ryanakca> Or should whatever announcement's currently up stay there for some time?
[00:23] <Tonio__> the problem is that for bith policykit and packagekit, the kde part is release outside of the official project, and generally later...
[00:23] <Tonio__> Riddell: we should discuss with with the ubuntu crew so that they don't upgrade if we at kde aren't ready for that...
[00:23] <Tonio__> Riddell: every dev cycle we end up with things breaking like this.... I remember the kdebluetooth case a couple of releases ago...
[00:23] <ryanakca> Also, could some developers reply to the "Developer of the week" thread on kubuntu-devel@l.u.c please?
[00:24] <Tonio__> and translations last cycle... that's a pain to deal with for sure...
[00:24] <Tonio__> people maintaining such important backend packages should be aware there are other desktops than gnome, really....
[00:25] <DaSkreecH> What?
[00:25] <DaSkreecH> There is something beyond these feet?
[00:25] <Tonio__> well for packagekit, glatzor did that very nicelly, but that's an exception
[00:26] <DaSkreecH> Tonio__: Can you raise the visibilty of that?
[00:26] <DaSkreecH> Publically thank him somehow?
[00:26] <Tonio__> DaSkreecH: sure
[00:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: all the changes or just the banner?
[00:26] <Tonio__> DaSkreecH: the real deal is that to make that happen the way we want, that has to become an official policy at canonical
[00:26] <Tonio__> DaSkreecH: I see no other way....
[00:27] <Tonio__> DaSkreecH: but I'm not the man to blog a lot :)
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: gnome  is using polkit-1-gnome
[00:27] <Tonio__> also, yes, we have to raise this
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> *policykit-1-gnome
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> policykit-gnome is the old 0.9 one still there for historical/compatibility reasons
[00:28] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: hum that stupid naming..... polkit/policykit
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[00:28] <Tonio__> makes it so hard to see the changes...
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> I say we blame the gnomies :P
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> depreciating things faster than ... gnome
[00:28] <Tonio__> okay so that's a all new policykit indeed
[00:29] <Tonio__> Riddell: you are right and I'm complaining about nothing ;)
[00:29] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: so why are we broken right now if nothing changed ?
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> dunno.. everything works here
[00:30] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: can you try this for me please ? kcmshell4 kcm_pkk_authorization
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> works fine here
[00:30] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ???????????????
[00:30] <Tonio__> wow that's funky
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> I have the holy system
[00:30] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: don't touch it !!!!!!!!!!
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> ...which is currently stuck in vesa and is otherwise very crappy
[00:31] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: what are your policykit* packagekit* versions please ?
[00:31] <Tonio__> JontheEchidna: that's interesting
[00:31] <Tonio__> Riddell: looks like maybe the problem isn't policykit then.... more a libc thing :)
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> packagekit 0.4.9+20090825-0ubuntu4
[00:32] <nixternal> Tonio__: getting the policykit crash messages all the time?
[00:32] <Tonio__> nixternal: absolutly reproductible for me
[00:32] <Tonio__> nixternal: that's why in my attempt to fix I went on the policykit side
[00:32] <nixternal> Tonio__: it pops up all the time for me
[00:32] <nixternal> I have gone to the point of ignoring the damn thing
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> policykit 0.9-4ubuntu1
[00:32] <Tonio__> nixternal: and is kpackagekit broken for you ?
[00:33] <nixternal> it starts up
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> also reported upstream by a fedora user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204060
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> so not a packaging issue
[00:33] <Tonio__> nixternal: in my case it breaks when using policykit, for authentication
[00:33] <Tonio__> nixternal: very late in the package installation process
[00:33] <Tonio__> nixternal: just after resolving deps
[00:33] <Tonio__> may you guys try to install a single package please ?
[00:34] <nixternal> is there a bug for kpackagekit and the settings dialog? it doesn't match anything and definitely doesn't use the theme's fonts
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: the one for software sources?
[00:34] <nixternal> ya
[00:34] <Riddell> it's run as root
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> that's "natural". it's run as root
[00:34] <nixternal> shouldn't be "natural"
[00:35] <nixternal> it looks like shit honestly
[00:35] <DaSkreecH> I remember Redhat used to set all of Root's settings to be scary )
[00:35] <nixternal> first time I have ever opened kpackagekit
[00:35] <DaSkreecH> Red wallpapers for the desktop etc
[00:35] <nixternal> ahaha, I remember that
[00:35] <nixternal> with the bomb icon
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> there is hope for the future, though: http://imagebin.ca/view/z5xLPxlj.html
[00:36] <DaSkreecH> Just so that you knew what you were doing was dangerouns and you shouldn't feel comfortable and pleasant in this mode
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> if we can get policykit integration it won't have to run as root
[00:36] <nixternal> "you do not have the necessary privileges to perform this action."
[00:36] <nixternal> can't update with kpackagekit
[00:37] <Tonio__> nixternal: one option would be to have default font settings so that not everyone has to change them for smaller ones :)
[00:37] <Tonio__> 8/9 and dpi fixed to 100 are generally giving a better result than the "let the random/chance/xorg guess that and use 10"
[00:38] <Riddell> rgreening: arora uploaded
[00:38] <Riddell> rgreening: any reason we don't turn adblock on by default?
[00:38] <nixternal> lets ship chrome by default :)
[00:38] <Riddell> rgreening: I still can't log into google calendar :(
[00:38] <DaSkreecH> Laziness?
[00:38] <Riddell> (although that'll be a qt issue not an arora issue probably)
[00:39] <rgreening> Riddell: it isn't on by default in package and it's a new feature... probably we should leave it off by default just in case?
[00:39] <rgreening> Riddell: thanks for uploading :)
[00:40] <rgreening> Riddell: ? via arora?
[00:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: I have a behind kde interview in the works so I'd rather not do one for kubuntu as well for the moment
[00:40] <rgreening> works for me with arora...
[00:40] <Tonio_> what a F**********d up connection.........
[00:40] <Tonio_> something like 45 disconnections today....
[00:40]  * Tonio_ is happy to annouced he subscribed to another ISP today...
[00:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice :)
[00:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: one question about the boot splash...
[00:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: what are your plans right now on that point ?
[00:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: Lovely, no worries.
[00:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the plan to go without any splash or ?
[00:42]  * ryanakca looks at Tonio_ , rgreening .
[00:42] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I wasn't there so I don't know the subject....
[00:42] <Tonio_> ryanakca: interview for kubuntu ?
[00:43] <ryanakca> Tonio_: yes, the "Developer of the Week" thread on the ML
[00:43] <rgreening> ryanakca: sure
[00:43] <rgreening> sounds good
[00:43] <Tonio_> lemme look
[00:43] <ryanakca> Great, thanks :)
[00:43] <rgreening> ryanakca: you want to send questions and I can fill out?
[00:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: didn't you notice fedora seems to have fix their kpackagekit bug ?
[00:44] <rgreening> I saw to keep it short, etc... do you have any specific format other than the ML message?
[00:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: would be nice to get their latest changes between the 04 and 16 of sptember no ?
[00:44] <rgreening> Riddell: was the google issue in arora or konq?
[00:45] <DaSkreecH> Riddell: You mean the KDE forum one?
[00:45] <ryanakca> rgreening: I described it more or less on the ML, 100 words, describe yourself, your contribution to Kubuntu, why you chose Kubuntu, your favourite feature, what you're working on, etc... whatever. :)
[00:45] <rgreening> ryanakca: k. I'll review and reply to ya
[00:45] <rgreening> prob late tonight or sometime tomorrow
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I didn't notice. What's the best way to monitor what they do?
[00:46] <ryanakca> rgreening: Great, thanks
[00:46] <DaSkreecH> I thought it was amusing that other than one Question (hot tubs!) the questons were all about Kubuntu
[00:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Also, I think I lost your reply when the breaker blew and my server went down. Countdown banner good to go live?
[00:47] <Tonio_> ryanakca: lemme know if you need someone for the dev of the week, but I don't tend to be a person who like to discuss what he does :)
[00:47] <Tonio_> I do it that's it
[00:47] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum, hard to say, they have repos everywhere, it's not like us....
[00:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: trying to contact one of their kde pachagers could help....
[00:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm still investigating on the technical side, so maybe you can try to do that and ping me if you fail to get it to work ?
[00:48] <ryanakca> Tonio_: *nod*, I'll let you know when submissions are running low.
[00:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: also I have a broken policykit and I seem to be the only one...
[00:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: so I'm affraid I'll have problems to debug this
[00:49] <Tonio_> ryanakca: kk :)
[00:49]  * rgreening likes to toot his horn
[00:49]  * rgreening has no shame
[00:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: cause I'll tend to have more crashes than all of you.... maybe a corrupted binary somewhere....
[00:50] <ryanakca> rgreening: I don't think nixternal has any either...
[00:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: just the banner or everything going live?
[00:50] <ryanakca> nixternal: Feel like being Developer of the Week any time soon? (of course you do...) If so, mind replying to the thread on the ML please, I'd rather have a few lined up that way I'm not stuck reusing blurbs :)
[00:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: just the banner.
[00:51] <ryanakca> As for everything else, I'll wait until everything's done and make one big move.
[00:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: yep, groovy
[00:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload the new kdebluetooth you had?
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> kdebase could stand an upload
[00:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: before I get disconnected again :) is that okay for you ? the fedora stuff ?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> I'll search for it :)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> I think they might have 0.5 already...
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> also, [19:54:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you upload the new kdebluetooth you had?
[00:59]  * shtylman shtylman is indeed alive...work just gets in the way of things :)
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope I can do right now, will you review ?
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's only bugfix anyway and works well here
[01:02] <Riddell> shtylman: I think you're confused about what's activated by the release notes, that'll be the release note link not the initial warning page
[01:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: how can I review?
[01:02] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed...but the warning is also activated by a file
[01:02] <shtylman> iirc
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/review/let it go/
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: archives are frozen right now no ?
[01:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah... I thought there were right after the beta freeze.... I seem to remember it was like that before...
[01:04] <Tonio_> anyway I'm tired :)
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[01:04] <Riddell> shtylman: something must do, probably it should be on if /usr/bin/plasma-netbook exists for now
[01:12] <Riddell> shtylman: oh also the keyboard page crashed for me when installing in Arabic
[01:14] <nixternal> my new phone number is +1 312 772 4KDE
[01:15] <nixternal> woohoo, Google Voice FTW!
[01:15]  * ryanakca watches the banner crash and burn on www.kubuntu.org ... *sigh*
[01:15] <shtylman> Riddell: I saw that...gonna take a look at it tonight
[01:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: It did not display properly. I might have made changes to the theme in the past that aren't yet on the main site, so I'll ask the sysadmins to pull the theme and I'll try again tomorrow night (assuming a sysadmin gets around to running 'bzr pull' tomorrow)
[01:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: ok thanks
[01:41] <shtylman> is it too much to ask for a notes widget that does have a bent corner?
[01:41] <spstarr> hrm
[01:41] <spstarr> dvd burning is broken in Kubuntu
[01:42] <spstarr> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), reserve track scsi sendcmd: no error
[01:42] <spstarr> CDB:  53 00 00 00 00 00 1D 60 3C 00
[01:42] <spstarr> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
[01:42] <spstarr> ...
[01:43] <spstarr> [23721.134533] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code
[01:43] <spstarr> [23721.134537] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[01:43] <spstarr> [23721.134542] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Blank Check [current]
[01:43] <spstarr> [
[01:43]  * spstarr replaces buntu's kernel with kernel.org one
[01:49] <spstarr> assuming a buntu kernel patch broke my dvd burner we'll see
[01:54] <spstarr> broken in 2.6.31.1
[01:54] <spstarr> :(
[01:54] <spstarr> damint shit why cant we have stable DVD/CD burning in Linux?!
[01:55] <spstarr> maybe k3b will work
[02:03] <DaSkreecH> Is Koala going to use xsplash?
[02:03] <DaSkreecH> We don't have stable anything in linux :-P
[02:06] <DaSkreecH> Tonio__: Is Kubuntu using xsplash ?
[02:29] <spstarr> ugh
[02:29]  * spstarr takes Fedora's kernel config and rebuilds kernel
[02:29] <spstarr> if that works then Ubuntu is doing something _very wrong_
[03:04] <spstarr> hmm
[03:04] <spstarr> bug in kernel.org
[03:04]  * spstarr opens bug
[03:20] <nixternal> heh, I am telling people it isn't safe to dl the Ubuntu Beta, but the Kubuntu Beta is working great and you should use that instead
[03:21] <rgreening> lol
[03:24] <shtylman> ScottK: im still not 100% on the small screen issue
[03:24] <shtylman> I got it compressed quite a bit
[03:25] <shtylman> but some screens are still a bit problematic... and have some overlap
[03:25] <shtylman> imma see if I can squeeze a few more pixels out of some things... :/
[03:54] <shtylman> Riddell: there gonna be nice kubuntu lanyards this year? :) :)
[03:59] <DaSkreecH> nixternal: Ubuntu Beta is broken?
[03:59] <nixternal> no, I am just being an ass when people ask :)
[03:59] <DaSkreecH> Ah well carry on
[03:59] <nixternal> of course :)
[04:00] <DaSkreecH> Are we using xsplash?
[04:01] <rgreening> ksplash
[04:01] <rgreening> its builtin
[04:01] <rgreening> though I think Riddell should investigate replacing the default animation with something like the old one...
[04:01] <rgreening> :)
[04:01]  * rgreening doesnt know how hard/easy this is
[04:03] <nixternal> ksplash, thissplash, and thatsplash are confusing...then again it has been a while since I last looked at um
[04:08] <rgreening> nixternal: is someone working on the new amarok 2.2 packages?
[04:09]  * rgreening just read yer blog
[04:09] <nixternal> dunno, but I am sure someone will :)
[04:11]  * rgreening wishes usb-creator-kde had a 'bigger' than 'footnote' meantion tho'...
[04:11] <rgreening> :P
[04:12] <rgreening> that took a lot of work :)
[04:26] <yuriy> oh no UDS for me :(
[04:31] <shtylman> yuriy: why?
[04:33] <shtylman> rgreening: in our hearts we love usb-creator-kde :)
[04:33] <rgreening> shtylman: ty :)
[04:33] <rgreening> ha
[04:34] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  If we can't get it, we can't get it.  Did you get the mail on the OMG, kittens warning in the installer?
[04:37] <shtylman> ScottK: .... kittens? where??!
[04:37] <ScottK> shtylman: Email from Riddell.
[04:37] <shtylman> ahh yes... got that mail
[04:37] <shtylman> should be no prob
[04:37] <shtylman> (checks now)
[04:41] <nixternal> umm, I lost my VBox/Kickstart scripts for ISO testing :(
[04:41] <nixternal> I didn't put them in bzr when I was supposed to either...and I believe they were on a drive that died this week
[04:41] <shtylman> Riddell: as I suspected.... just make sure the file '/usr/share/ubiquity/intro.txt' exists and that will show on the intro page
[04:42] <shtylman> so for your netbook stuff, make sure that makes it into the cd image or whatnot... might have to travel in a different package but as long as that file is there...the into should so...
[04:42] <nixternal> I was thinking something like ubiquity-netbook-kde..is that to much?
[04:46]  * spstarr tries ../linux-image-2.6.32-rc2-custom_2.6.32-rc2-custom-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
[04:46] <spstarr> DVD burning is broken in Ubuntu/kernel.org .31
[05:06] <spstarr> ahaha
[05:06] <spstarr> devicekit-disks is  BROKEN
[05:06] <rgreening> yeah
[05:07] <spstarr> no
[05:07] <spstarr> still broken
[05:07] <spstarr> Errno: 5 (Input/output error), reserve track scsi sendcmd: no error
[05:07] <spstarr> CDB:  53 00 00 00 00 00 1D 60 3C 00
[05:07] <spstarr> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
[05:07] <spstarr> S
[05:07] <spstarr> 2.6.32-rc1 broken, .31, 31.1?!
[05:07] <spstarr> or is something is broken in Ubuntu
[05:08] <dtchen> that's a known issue; it's not devicekit-disks
[05:08] <dtchen> it's linux
[05:09] <dtchen> specifically a regression in 2.6.31.1
[05:09] <dtchen> fixed in 2.6.32-rc1 (but 2.6.32-rc1 has broken mac80211, so...)
[05:09] <spstarr> no it's not
[05:10] <spstarr> Linux panic 2.6.32-rc2-custom #3 SMP Thu Oct 1 23:32:58 EDT 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[05:10] <spstarr> its not even fixed in RC2
[05:10] <dtchen> err, then we're talking of different bugs
[05:11] <dtchen> guh, crapton of changes to scsi and libata
[05:11] <dtchen> anyhow, i'm referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/438065
[05:12] <spstarr> i dont know if they can't  be mounted or not.. it just doesn't detect ANY media
[05:12] <dtchen> what if you log out and back in after leaving the media inserted?
[05:12] <spstarr> via ssh?
[05:13] <spstarr> :)
[05:13] <spstarr> still no work
[05:14] <spstarr> [   63.393907] sr1: Hmm, seems the drive doesn't support multisession CD's
[05:14] <spstarr> [   63.439100] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[05:14] <spstarr> [   63.439106] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[05:14] <spstarr> [   63.439112] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range
[05:14] <spstarr> [
[05:14] <spstarr> the kernel cannot read my empty media or detect it
[05:17] <spstarr> so....
[05:18] <spstarr> this doesn't work on my laptop DVD burner either :D
[05:18] <spstarr> how wonderful
[05:21] <spstarr> [   63.393907] sr1: Hmm, seems the drive doesn't support multisession CD's
[05:21] <spstarr> [   63.439100] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[05:21] <spstarr> [   63.439106] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[05:21] <spstarr> [   63.439112] sr 6:0:1:0: [sr1] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range
[05:21] <spstarr> [
[05:40] <ScottK> !pastebin | spstarr
[06:02] <spstarr> i know about pastebin, but im lazy right now :)
[06:04] <ScottK> You're also being impolite then.
[06:05]  * JontheEchidna should probably get to bed...
[06:06] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:06] <spstarr> gah
[07:06] <spstarr> Kubuntu cannot read ANY DVDs even burnt ones?
[09:47] <wstephenson> Riddell: this is your scheduled friday nag ;)
[10:30] <schmidtm> hi i am not sure if the following bug is kown: each time i start up i do not get the kde login-screen but drop to a login-shell and i havt to start kdm manually by running sudo kdm
[10:31] <jussi01> schmidtm: how up to date are you? (I assume you are on karmic) ?
[10:31] <schmidtm> yes it is karmic and the latest updates are installed
[10:32] <schmidtm> this happens on different computers with differnet hardware so i do not think it is related to a specific driver or something similar
[11:27] <Riddell> schmidtm: does   sudo start kdm  work?
[11:36] <schmidtm> Riddell: no sudo start kdm does not work too, only sudo kdm is working
[11:40] <schmidtm> Riddell: i mean it is not a real problem for me as i'm using linuy long enaugh to know what to to in most situation when my system does not do what i want, but it is somewhat annoying anyway
[11:48] <Riddell> schmidtm: can you pastebin   apt-cache policy kdm
[11:49] <Riddell> schmidtm: also grab http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdm.conf and diff -u  it against /etc/init/kdm.conf
[11:54] <schmidtm> Riddell: here you are http://paste.ubuntu.com/283725 the diff does not output anything so the files must me equal
[11:57] <Riddell> schmidtm: 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu15~ppa1 you have a weird version  there, it should be 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu14
[11:57] <Riddell> you'll  need to remove it  and reinstall it
[11:59] <schmidtm> Riddell: ok i'll do that. i'll check the output on another machine with the same problem too
[12:02] <schmidtm> Riddell: the output fro the other computer http://paste.ubuntu.com/283733 and there is the same prob and no *ppa*
[12:14] <Riddell> schmidtm: then debugging is needed, you could  try replacing the script  section in  /etc/init/kdm.conf  with just  "exec kdm"
[12:27] <schmidtm> Riddell: ok with "exec kdm" only it works - but that was what we expected. i'll add part by part again and the paste where the problem is
[12:33] <eviljussi01> can someon tell me how to build quassel on cureent karmic kubuntu? someone went and moved phonon and now Ive no idea what I need to pass to it so it finds it again...
[14:06] <ScottK> eviljussi01: Why do you need to buiid it?
[14:09] <jussi01> ScottK: I use git. just somethign changed in kubuntu that it doesnt compile anymore
[14:09] <jussi01> Sput: just gives me NAQP when I ask him about it
[14:10] <ScottK> jussi01: I don't know, but the Karmic package is a handful of commits behind git is all.
[14:10] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, Im curious though why it wont comple. Id like to get it sorted tbh.
[14:12] <jussi01> ScottK: Im going to go play, I havent tried for a few days, lets see.
[14:27] <ScottK> jussi01: I'm packaging rc2, so we'll be caught up shortly.
[14:33] <Riddell> testers needed for  new networkmanager http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.9~svn1029786-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> ^Works for the default system DHCP autoconnection usecase. (wired)
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> for some reason it starts off in the DSL tab on the config dialog
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> the system tray options no longer show up in System Settings, that's good
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts on qt4-x11 4.5.3 for Karmic?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I'm no Riddell, but in my opinion, the changeset is lower than most Qt releases, giving a lower risk for regression. Plus it is supposed to fix some Plasma flaws. With proper testing I think updating would be fine
[14:54] <neversfelde> rgreening: I had to travel to my parents and therefore did not have the time to look at kpackagekit. I will return home on monday and can do it then, if it isn't too late. Sorry.
[14:54] <rgreening> ScottK: KDE tean is trying to descide qt 4.5.X with KDE 4.3.2
[14:54] <rgreening> we should watch them or ask them... Riddell^
[14:54] <ScottK> The other thing is pretty much all C++ apps are currently misbuilt on armel, so we'll need a qt4-x11 upload anyway.
[14:54] <ScottK> rgreening: Good to know.  We should match them.
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: yes I think 4.5.3 would be good, needs testing first of course, I have  it  on my todo but if  anyone else  wants to do it  first  they're very welcome
[14:55] <rgreening> neversfelde: it's 'NEVERsfelde' too late :P haha.. sure thing
[14:55] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll see if I can make time to built it today
[14:55] <neversfelde> :)
[14:57] <ScottK> Riddell or anyone else with an idea.... On my netbook, I have no keyboard after resume (I can click to focus on the password dialogue, but no key entries happen when I type).  I've ssh'ed into the box and can type fine.  Is there any forensic information I could extract that would be useful in figuring out why?
[14:58] <rgreening> ScottK: try ALT+PrtSc+r and see if the keyboard starts working
[14:58] <rgreening> magic key
[14:58] <rgreening> I thinks thats the correct one
[14:59] <ScottK> Nope
[15:02] <rgreening> hmm.. ScottK if you kill kdm and restart, does it work then?
[15:02] <rgreening> restart kust kdm I mean
[15:02] <rgreening> just
[15:02]  * rgreening assumes yes
[15:02] <ScottK> Not sure.  I wanted to wait and see if there was any useful data to collect before restarting.
[15:03] <rgreening> hmm.... If you can ALT+F1, then keyboard is working... it's the Xinput that's not
[15:03]  * rgreening guesses
[15:03] <ScottK> Wahoo.  Nothing like an OOo security update the same day as the beta release.
[15:03] <ScottK> If I touch the keyboard, the screen wakes up.
[15:05] <rgreening> ScottK: can you copy/paste from somewhere on screen into the input box?
[15:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm getting the qt src now.. So, I should be able to start building shortly...
[15:13] <Riddell> rgreening: see you on monday :)
[15:14] <rgreening> Riddell: ty. Medieval Times is next to the hotel!!!!!!!!!
[15:15]  * rgreening is so there
[15:16]  * rgreening wonders if you can get dressed up in armor...
[15:16] <rgreening> hehe
[15:16] <rgreening> Riddell: all set for meeting today? :) Should update the channel baner
[15:18] <rgreening> anyone else have an issue with system failing the fsck and hanging on the default kernel? I had to boot today using a prev kernel...
[15:18] <ScottK> rgreening: kdm restart got my keboard back.  Now to file a bug.
[15:20] <rgreening> ABC is re-making V... I can't wait.. though, ABC has a bad history of making sci-fi shows and cancelling them ...
[15:25] <Riddell> rgreening: what is Mediæval Times?
[15:25]  * rgreening thinks Riddell would like
[15:26] <ScottK> Riddell: http://medievaltimes.com/
[15:26] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntu!!!
[15:26] <rgreening> goot morgantag
[15:26] <nixternal> there are Midieval Times other than here in Chicago?
[15:26] <nixternal> I did not know that. There are like 2 or 3 of them 15 minutes from me :)
[15:26] <nixternal> I love that place
[15:27] <nixternal> food is OK, but the entertainment is awesome...I love going down and defending my lord
[15:27] <nixternal> have to do the "defending my lord" in a cockney accent
[15:28] <rgreening> haha
[15:28] <nixternal> have you been there before?
[15:28] <rgreening> nixternal: I'll def be there.. I love everything medieval
[15:28] <rgreening> no.. I heard its awesome though
[15:28] <nixternal> I guess not...yes, if you get picked which isn't hard, you can dress up in armor and battle
[15:28] <rgreening> AWESOME!!!!!
[15:29]  * rgreening wants lots of pics of that
[15:29] <nixternal> eat some chicken, throw it on the floor, and then call somebody out to battle
[15:29] <rgreening> haha
[15:29] <nixternal> and you gotta talk all medieval too
[15:30] <nixternal> I love how the waiters and waitresses treat you there..it is freakin' great
[15:30] <nixternal> fyi, they treat you like crap....they call you bad names, but names that are kid safe
[15:31] <rgreening> cool
[15:32] <nixternal> if you stand out as like head of the table, they will say "what can I get you my lord"
[15:32] <nixternal> the rest they treat as peasants
[15:32] <rgreening> oh oh oh .. thats me alright
[15:32] <rgreening> haha
[15:33] <rgreening> the lord == the loudmouth
[15:33] <nixternal> I remember going with my parents a long time ago, so my dad was of course "my lord" and our waitress said (about my mom), "who is this wench? is it she who is fighting for my affection?"
[15:33] <nixternal> I called my mom a wench for a whole week afterwards, finally ending in a spanking :)
[15:34] <nixternal> didn't know back then it was such a mean word
[15:35] <nixternal> though last time I went, with my neices and nephews, they seemed a bit nicer...then they give a bunch of little kids, or monsters as I call them, freakin' swords...I was attacked all night long
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> haha
[15:36] <rgreening> nixternal: hahahaha
[15:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not sure if it's relevant to our kdm logout problem or not, but when I did sudo sh /etc/init.d/kdm restart it restarted KDM and then hung.
[15:38]  * ScottK wonders if perhaps the lack of logout is related to upstartification.
[15:39] <rgreening> ScottK: wasn't this an issue on some systems prior to upstart changes
[15:39] <ScottK> rgreening: That was X crashing.
[15:39] <ScottK> The X crash was just fixed.
[15:39] <rgreening> and aren't you supposed to now 'sudo restart kdm' instead?
[15:40] <rgreening> ah
[15:41] <ScottK> That hangs too.
[15:41] <ScottK> nixternal: You're the upstart king, right?  What do you think?
[15:42] <Riddell> I had the problem before I did the upstart-ification
[15:42] <Riddell> we  had it as soon as the  crash was fixed
[15:44] <ScottK> OK, so whatever it is, that's probably the logout problem.
[15:45] <rgreening> Riddell: There's going to be a 0.10.1 point release of arora tonight. I convinced icefox to do a point release for a SSL authentication bug (rather than cherry pick a patch).
[15:45] <rgreening> I'll let you know when packaged.
[15:46] <Riddell> rgreening: 0.10 arora is being a bit of a memory hog for me
[15:46] <rgreening> Riddell: flash?
[15:46] <Riddell> maybe
[15:46] <rgreening> flash is misbehaving regularly
[15:47] <rgreening> kill flash and see what happens
[15:47] <nixternal> I have no probs with arora when it is up and running, but if I open a link from Konsole, or any external link, it freezes for a bit before loading the page
[15:47] <rgreening> I am finding it most excellent. especially with adblock :)
[15:48] <nixternal> I am finding Chromium most excellent, especially with the User Scripts support :)
[15:49] <Riddell> rgreening: can we turn  on adblock and password  saving by default in the package?
[15:51] <rgreening> Riddell: If no-one has any concerns or objections... maybe ask at the meeting? I have no issue with it... as long as everyone else sees it as a good idea.
[15:52] <Riddell> I don't see there being  any  objections
[15:53] <ScottK> rgreening: Since it's not the default, I think that you as the packager should just do what you think best (I agree with Riddell FWIW)
[15:53] <rgreening> okies. I'm asking icefox for recommendations on where/what to change for the default..
[15:53]  * rgreening is working close with upstream
[15:54] <mgraesslin> I just read a terrible test comparing Kubuntu with MacOS Snow Leopard and Win 7
[15:54] <mgraesslin> sinze when is the indicator applet used by default
[15:54] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:54] <Quintasan> hiho
[15:54] <mgraesslin> the test is Karmic but the indicator is still missing
[15:56] <rgreening> Riddell: icefox says wallet should have been on... he will fix in the src. He's thinking about adblock. So, I may not have to patch the src :)
[15:57] <ScottK> Is agateau on vacation today?
[15:58] <maco> kpk doesnt install packages?
[15:58] <ScottK> mgraesslin: If it was upgraded from Jaunty, it won't be there.
[15:58] <maco> (just read nixternal's blog)
[15:58] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Link?
[15:58] <mgraesslin> ScottK: it's a magazine
[15:58] <mgraesslin> they did a fresh install
[15:59] <ScottK> mgraesslin: OK.  How very 20th century.
[15:59] <nixternal> if it is a fresh install, the indicator is there...it looks like an envelope
[15:59] <Quintasan> dunno how many magazines manage to do a fresh install and key features dont work for them
[15:59] <mgraesslin> yeah I know - I just want to date the Alpha version they used to test :-P
[15:59] <nixternal> I just did a fresh install and it is there
[16:00]  * Quintasan is very happy with Karmic so far
[16:01] <mgraesslin> oh and KPackageKit notifies that there are new updates, doesn't it?
[16:02] <ScottK> Every now and then
[16:03] <mgraesslin> they say it hasn't
[16:03] <mgraesslin> and it'
[16:03] <rgreening> Riddell: icefox has agreed to make the change in the src
[16:03] <mgraesslin> s
[16:03] <rgreening> :)
[16:03] <rgreening> so it will be default for all
[16:03] <mgraesslin> a disadvantage that we don't have patch days :-)
[16:05] <Quintasan> I still find KPK annoying to use
[16:05] <Riddell> gosh it's mgraesslin, should I wear my asbestos suit?
[16:05]  * Quintasan used Shaman too much
[16:06] <Riddell> message indicator was added in alpha 4 says https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[16:09] <maco> given lead time on mags, they probably were looking at a pretty early alpha
[16:11] <Riddell> so kcontrol  translations, KDM logout  and packagekit broken, any other release critical  issues?
[16:11] <Riddell> besides my e-mail backlog
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> oh! system-config-printer-kde totally fails in localized environments
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> bug 424116
[16:12] <Riddell> fails  as  in  isn't  translated  or bigger fail?
[16:12] <Riddell> hmm ok
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> fails to initialize
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> there's a patch fortunately
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be wise to take care of bug 436571 at the same time
[16:13] <Riddell> thanks, added to my todo
[16:13] <Quintasan> ☭
[16:15] <Riddell> davmor2: why will wubi on k-netbook most likely fail?
[16:15] <davmor2> Riddell: cause it has everywhere else
[16:16] <Riddell> davmor2: so not k-netbook specific?
[16:16] <davmor2> no
[16:16] <davmor2> passed 1st time on Ubuntu then failed on the second, passed on the third,  installer is completely random on success or not
[16:17] <rgreening> to wubi or not to wubi, that is the question...
[16:20] <davmor2> Riddell: bug 439279
[16:20] <ScottK> It looks to me like the OOo save dialogue not getting the extensions added got fixed.
[16:24] <ScottK> Anyone else having trouble with kmail not including message text in replies?
[16:26] <nixternal> I am looking at KDM right now... Riddell anything pop in your head that you can think of?
[16:26] <Riddell> nixternal: the logout question?
[16:26] <nixternal> it seems to be running and shutting down via startkde fine, as it goes thorugh the steps and prints output to ~/.xsession-errors
[16:27] <nixternal> I am setting X errors though, I do't know if they are related just yet
[16:27] <nixternal> yes, the logout question
[16:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd try with an  unpatched  kdebase-workspace (and maybe  one from trunk too)
[16:28] <Riddell> also with no applications  running at all
[16:33] <skreech> http://identi.ca/notafish
[16:33] <ScottK> OK.  Figured it out.
[16:33] <skreech> Anyone seen that "report" On openoffice ?
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Any idea why we aren't shipping any default mail reply templates?
[16:34] <Riddell> nope
[16:35] <Riddell> we should be shipping whatever upstream give us
[16:36] <ScottK> What we are shipping now is %BLANK.
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> message text in reply works fine for me
[16:40] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Fresh install or upgrade?
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> fresh install with alpha 5
[16:40] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Mine's a jaunty upgrade
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> only thing left over is the actual mail data
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> (I accidentally nuked my ~/.kde/share/config/*)
[16:43] <ScottK> My netbook, which is a new install is fine too.
[16:46] <ScottK> Anyone else have an upgraded Jaunty box that uses Kmail?
[16:46] <nixternal> kmail just crashes for me
[16:47] <nixternal> I tried setting it back up the other day, but it got in the way of real work that needed to get done
[16:47] <ScottK> Hmm.  Reminds me that agateau's updated patch set needs uploading...
[16:47] <Riddell> I did  that this morning
[16:48] <Riddell> for some definition  of morning
[16:48] <rgreening> lol
[16:49] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:49] <ScottK> nixternal: If that's built it may not crash for you anymore
[16:49] <Riddell> !ninjas
[16:50] <Riddell> hmm, that's an old one
[16:50] <Riddell> ~ninjas
[16:50] <kubotu> {apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[16:50] <Riddell> still no lex79
[16:50] <Riddell> or Quintasan
[16:50] <Riddell> anyway, who wants to help with KDE 4.3.2?
[16:51] <nixternal> Riddell: right now I am checking out KDM...so get the other package hackers :)
[16:52] <nixternal> I love the slow repos this fine Chicago morning!
[16:52] <Riddell> nixternal: stay focused!
[16:52] <nixternal> hehe
[16:54] <nixternal> holy shite, 5 patches just for startkde
[16:54] <rgreening> Riddell: Im not on that list! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH
[16:54] <rgreening> :)
[16:54] <skreech> rgreening: That's cause you are better ninja than all. No one sees you
[16:55] <Riddell> yep, rgreening is too elite, we'll give him kdebindings
[16:56] <rgreening> noooooooooo
[16:57] <rgreening> hahah
[16:57]  * rgreening loses a little bit of his soul each time he compiles bindings
[16:57] <nixternal> ahh, now I see where all those Gdk-WARNINGs are coming from in startkde
[17:00] <nixternal> wow, unpatched startkde starts up kde...pretty darn fast
[17:00] <nixternal> but even unpatched it still doesn't log out
[17:00] <nixternal> :/
[17:04] <davmor2> ScottK: wubi will be at least as broken as the rest \o/
[17:05] <ScottK> davmor2: It would be a victory if it's no more broken
[17:05] <davmor2> ScottK: it's installing at least :)
[17:05] <ScottK> Progress
[17:13] <davmor2> ScottK: Yay \o/ it's as broke as the rest :)
[17:13] <ScottK> davmor2: And that is, unfortunately, how we define progress.
[17:18] <ScottK> nixternal: My condolences on the Olympics.
[17:18] <ScottK> It's too bad too, I had a great motto for it and everything.
[17:19] <ScottK> Olympics 2016, because Chicago traffic isn't bad enough already.
[17:20] <nixternal> ScottK: I am glad we didn't get the Olympics
[17:20] <ScottK> Did you like the motto?
[17:20] <nixternal> and being first out totally proves how political the IOC really is
[17:20] <nixternal> someone already said it though :)
[17:20] <nixternal> I trademarked "Olyminated"
[17:21] <ScottK> Well I didn't hear it (doesn't pay much attention to such stuff)
[17:21] <nixternal> well, someone said something similar
[17:21] <Riddell> based on the English experience I suspect you don't really want the Olympics
[17:22] <nixternal> Riddell: that is correct...if you remember, our governor was arrested for trying to sell Obama's senate seat at UDS Mt. View..remember you were going to buy it :)
[17:22] <ScottK> Washington, DC bid for the 2012 Olympics and lost.  One of the venues would have been a 5 minute drive from where I lived at the time.
[17:22] <txwikinger> hi nixternal, Riddell
[17:22] <txwikinger> and ScottK
[17:22] <ScottK> Hello txwikinger.
[17:22] <nixternal> Chicago can't afford it for one, where they were planning stuff was really going to mess with innercity people, people who are broke as it is
[17:22] <nixternal> hola txwikinger
[17:22] <nixternal> ouch, pbuilder taking forever to get packages
[17:23]  * ScottK was going to leave town.
[17:23] <ScottK> Data center's slow due to Karmic Beta surge.
[17:23] <nixternal> ScottK: all of the venues would have been a short drive except for the cycling event, that would have been up and around madison iirc
[17:23] <txwikinger> A former colleague of mine had to work in Atlanta during the Olympics there
[17:23] <nixternal> I am building an unpatched kdebase :)
[17:23] <txwikinger> It was crazy
[17:24]  * txwikinger is happy that Vancouver is far away
[17:41] <ulysses__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/440605
[17:42] <ulysses__> can somebody review it?
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> policykit is broken, causing applications such as packagekit that use it to not work
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> dupe of bug 436748
[17:44] <ulysses__> thanks
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> the scary thing is that we haven't touched policykit in a while, so it doesn't really have any reason to just go breaking on us :(
[17:45] <ulysses__> I marked #440605 as duplicate
[17:49] <marco_> hi
[17:50] <marco_> can i report a bug? :o
[17:50] <ScottK> marco_: You can, but IRC is not the best place to do it.
[17:51] <marco_> i tried to use launchpad but i can't :P
[17:51] <ScottK> ubuntu-bug packagename
[17:51] <marco_> it's not package :S
[17:51] <marco_> it's about font default configuration
[17:52] <ScottK> You should ask in #ubuntu-bugs then how best to file that.
[17:52] <marco_> ok thx =D
[17:58] <maco> ScottK: i dont know what package his bug is on though
[17:58] <maco> sebas: you around?
[17:58] <ScottK> maco: I don't either but the bug squad came up with this redirect plan.  They can figure it out.
[17:58] <maco> haha
[17:59]  * ScottK isn't making a joke.
[17:59] <maco> hrm maybe #kubuntu-bugs would make more sense
[17:59] <maco> but nobody is talking in #ubuntu-bugs except me and marco_
[17:59] <ScottK> That isn't very active (the kubuntu one)
[18:00] <ScottK> And no one asked us about the redirect thing anyway.
[18:00] <maco> ok
[18:00] <maco> well do you know what package plasma is?
[18:01] <nixternal> Riddell: kubuntu-dev? is this in preperation for a reorg? :)
[18:01] <maco> nixternal: yeah see i asked riddell how to join kubuntu-ninjas post-reorg and he said he had no idea how far along reorg is, so he asked cjwatson who said they were blocking on kubuntu
[18:02] <nixternal> lol
[18:03] <Riddell> well now it's blocking on  tech board  again
[18:03] <rgreening> haha
[18:03] <rgreening> nothing moves along like bureaucrats
[18:05] <nixternal> tech board shouldn't be long though
[18:12] <nookie^> hi Riddell: did u managet to find the guy for the countdown on the kubuntu.org?
[18:14] <maco> kubuntu gets a countdown too?
[18:14] <ScottK> If someone makes one.
[18:16] <rgreening> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8c20v8ioZY
[18:16] <rgreening> final countdown.. :)
[18:19] <Riddell> nookie^: yes he  had  some  technical difficulty but said he'd get back to it  today
[18:20] <Riddell> nookie^  (maco, scottk): http://drupal.ryanak.ca
[18:20] <nixternal> wth, freenode is lagging big time for me
[18:20] <nixternal> 10.71
[18:20] <toma> 0.43
[18:21] <nixternal> just checked to make sure it isn't me, as OFTC is fine
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> 118 ms
[18:21] <nixternal> now it is 0
[18:22] <toma> so you went back 10 seconds in time?
[18:23] <nixternal> hehe, yup
[18:23] <nixternal> build kdebase build!
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> over here it's "build kdepimlibs build"
[18:24] <nixternal> hehe
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> which wouldn't be so bad except I'm pbuilding and the archive is molasses
[18:25] <nixternal> ya, I finally got past the archive part
[18:29] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I hear ya
[18:29] <nookie^> Riddell: looking nice =)
[18:34] <maco> pretty!
[18:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Your knm package is working here with wpa2.  I got the same thing as JontheEchidna about the default tab being dsl.  It would be nice if it'd default to wireless.
[18:36] <maco> ryanakca: you make pretty website :)
[18:37] <rgreening> ryanakca: does haz skillz
[18:38] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't even have an enabled DSL tab, do you have something  to  enable it?
[18:38] <ScottK> Nope
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> I didn't have to do anything either
[18:38] <Riddell> ScottK: is it enabled?
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> I don't even have a DSL device
[18:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[18:39]  * ScottK doesn't either
[18:39] <Riddell> maybe the fault is in whatever  caues  it  to be enabled then
[18:39]  * JontheEchidna wonders why his policykit works
[18:39]  * JontheEchidna tries to break his policykit
[18:40] <ScottK> Well you often connect to a DSL system via ethernet, so I think should be enabled on any system that has ethernet
[18:40] <ScottK> Not sure though.
[18:40] <ScottK> It's been years since I had DSL
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> likely somebody edited the .ui file and just forgot to go back to the first tab when he was done editing things
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> and saved with the DSL tab as the active tab
[18:42] <Riddell> I don't see the issue
[18:42] <Riddell> the tab is disabled for me and can't be selected
[18:43] <Riddell> infact it defaults to wired which is also disabled and  can't  be re-selected
[18:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Does your laptop have ethernet?
[18:43] <ScottK> (wired)
[18:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you say there's a new kaffeine to be  uploaded somewhere?
[18:43] <Riddell> ScottK: no
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: sec
[18:44] <ScottK> Riddell: That's probably why it's not active for you
[18:44] <Riddell> right I wasn't complaining, just highlighting that it's not set to DSL
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> bug 411082
[18:44] <ScottK> I'm just saying why it's different
[18:47] <nixternal> hrmm, I just got kdm to work on logout by running it through gdb
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: mind if I throw bug 440719 at you & assign it to you?
[18:52] <rgreening> sure JontheEchidna
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> at a glance I'd say that it needs to be cast to utf8 rather than str
[18:53] <rgreening> could be...
[18:53] <rgreening> yeah, I think you're right.
[18:53] <rgreening> I have a few of those to test/fix then....
[18:53] <rgreening> lol
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> heh
[18:54] <rgreening> used str to fix one bug... and cause another
[18:54] <rgreening> haha
[19:23] <Riddell> what's the KonversaionVersesQuassel wiki page called?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/QuasselvsKonvi
[19:26] <ulysses__> It's a bug, or a feature, that after installing Firefox with Kubuntu Firefox Installer (started from Kickoff), the Kubuntu Firefox Installer is in Kickoff
[19:26] <Riddell> ulysses__: lack of feature
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> Konvi 1.2 final should be out within a week
[19:27]  * apachelogger still thinks asac needs to make the firefox package conflict and replace the installer
[19:27] <apachelogger> there is no other sensible approach to this
[19:28] <Riddell> that makes ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop conflict
[19:28] <apachelogger> nah
[19:28] <apachelogger> installer is a recommends of kubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <apachelogger> not a depends
[19:29] <yuriy> there needs to be some way to have conditional appearance of icons in the menu
[19:29] <Riddell> ooh ooh I know, we could just use Arora
[19:29] <apachelogger> yuriy: tryexec, though you cant have that !tryexec
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> KDE did that once. It's called KMenuEdit and it's an abomination of mankind
[19:29] <ulysses__> why should be a firefox installer? users can't use kpackagekit to install firefox?
[19:29] <apachelogger> that would make sense though
[19:29] <apachelogger> only show the installer if the firefox exec is not found
[19:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it was good back in the days
[19:30] <Riddell> hmm, konversation has gone back to using tabs instead of a list?
[19:31] <apachelogger> configurable I suppose
[19:31] <ScottK> ulysses__: Then tons of Gnome recommends get dragged in that we don't want.
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> really? I found some ancient bug reports about it in launchpad where it was never synced up with applications that had been removed, etc
[19:31] <apachelogger> yay
[19:31] <apachelogger> u-n-k lintian clean
[19:31] <ScottK> Also installing via kpackagekit is a bit of an ordeal.  The Firefox installer is much nicer.
[19:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I said back in the days, not in KDE 3.5
[19:31] <ulysses__> ScottK: uhm, I've seen it in Jaunty, Firefox-3.5 has 101 package as dependencies, but most of them (~72) was removable
[19:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually we want!
[19:32]  * JontheEchidna wonders which days apachelogger is talking about
[19:32] <ScottK> ulysses__: Right, but better not to install them in the first place
[19:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: We do?
[19:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: without gnome-support firefox is not integrated at all (mimetypes for example)
[19:32] <Riddell> ** Meeting in half an hour  in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:32] <ScottK> OK, then they won't fit in the CD
[19:32] <ulysses__> ScottK: you're right
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> ^but before we were also pulling in synaptic
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> which we really don't want but were getting due to ubufox
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> s/ubufox/apturl
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> but now with apturl-kde it's all good
[19:33] <apachelogger> well, since apturl is ported to kde ... :P
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> ya
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> as long as we're not pulling in software-properties-gtk, synaptic and the rest of the gnome apt stack, I'm fine with a few gnome packages
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> people are just mad at discovering that firefox is not lightweight :P
[19:34]  * apachelogger prepares u-n-k for upload
[19:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh well, either we can bitch about how firefox is not lightweight or about firefox not being integrating with the system :D
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> or bitch about us not patching firefox with a bunch of patches to integrate with KDE 3 weeks before the release
[19:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: why we don't complain about both? :D
[19:35] <apachelogger> cant
[19:36] <apachelogger> either you install all the crap and you have integration
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> ^apachelogger'll get out his pimpin' cane if you try to complain about both
[19:36] <apachelogger> hm
[19:36] <apachelogger> you know
[19:36] <apachelogger> that sounds kinda ehm
[19:36] <apachelogger> kinky
[19:37] <Quintasan> :3
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> oh noes, I turned on the apachelogger
[19:37]  * Quintasan hides
[19:37]  * apachelogger looks at some pycode
[19:37] <apachelogger> that should fix that quite good
[19:37] <Quintasan> turn off? :D
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> like a cold shower
[19:37] <apachelogger> well, cold showers are hot compared to that :P
[19:45]  * ScottK waves to mhb.
[19:46] <mhb> hi everyone, long time no see, my fault, of course.
[19:46] <Quintasan> mhb: hello
[19:46] <ScottK> mhb: Glad to have you back.
[19:47] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:47] <apachelogger> look what the cat dragged in :)
[19:47]  * apachelogger hugs mhb and hands him a cookie
[19:47] <Quintasan> kubotu: cookies for mhb
[19:47] <Quintasan> gah
[19:47]  * ScottK waits for nixternal to try to convince mhb he wants to fix kdm.
[19:47] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for mhb
[19:47]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to mhb.
[19:47] <apachelogger> hm
[19:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it broken?
[19:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Only if you like to log out.
[19:48] <apachelogger> who broke it?
[19:48] <ScottK> Upstream apparently.
[19:48] <ScottK> Unpatch one hangs too
[19:48] <apachelogger> hm
[19:48] <apachelogger> 4.3.2 tarballs are avail I think
[19:49] <apachelogger> maybe they fix that?
[19:49] <ScottK> nixternal: Wanna try it with 4.3.2?
[19:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we haz mail about the kubuntu dev team?
[19:52]  * apachelogger aint got no clue about the point :P
[19:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's to be the people with Kubuntu specific upload rights after archive reorg
[19:53] <ScottK> It's just being preloaded with those of us who are alredy core-dev
[19:53] <apachelogger> I see
[19:53] <apachelogger> still a mail summing up would be neat
[19:54] <ScottK> It wouldn't say much more than that.
[19:54] <nixternal> ScottK: well I already have 4.3.1 workspace almost done, though I don't know if it will fix it or not
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.
[19:54] <ScottK> Well if that doesn't work, maybe try 4.3.2 next since we've got the tarball.
[19:55] <rgreening> Meeting in 5 minutes...
[19:57] <Riddell> seele_, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Nightrose, rgreening: 5 minute meeting ping
[19:57] <francisco_t> Hi, Is it difficult to import the package Kde / firefox integration from Opensuse into kubuntu?
[19:57] <Riddell> francisco_t: the ubuntu firefox maintainer wants it  to go upstream first
[19:58] <Nightrose> Riddell: meeting here or in #ubuntu-meeting?
[19:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: #u-m
[19:58] <Nightrose> k
[21:30] <djustice> ninjas: test a shiny new widget? playground/base/plasma/applets/discburner i cant find any testers anywhere :P
[21:30] <apachelogger> lol
[21:30] <apachelogger> djustice: what does it do?
[21:31] <djustice> apachelogger: burns discs :) audio cd/data cd/data dvd/mp3 cds only atm. its getting better tho.
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> ^maybe replace K3b with it :P
[21:31] <rgreening> lol
[21:32] <apachelogger> yus!
[21:32] <rgreening> in Lucid
[21:32] <rgreening> ha
[21:32] <apachelogger> file a FFe
[21:32] <djustice> JontheEchidna: nonono. not for another year at least ;)
[21:32] <apachelogger> now
[21:32] <rgreening> nixternal: can do it
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> djustice: hehe
[21:32] <rgreening> haha
[21:32]  * JontheEchidna waves the huge just kidding banner
[21:32] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[21:32] <apachelogger> actually
[21:32] <apachelogger> nixternal: please package up that widget and blog about it to get some testers
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> delegation > work
[21:33] <apachelogger> djustice: sure enough if nixternal blogs about it, you should get enough of those
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> nixternal's blog is a drama magnet
[21:33] <djustice> its just a frontend. using ffmpeg/mpg123/sox/kcddb/taglib/lame/cdda2utils.... um... idk. it can burn audio cd's from arbitrary format tho. k3b cant do that.
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> out of no fault of his own
[21:33] <apachelogger> hm
[21:33] <djustice> yea ive yet to find any testers. or get any feedback at all. its been on playground for a few weeks. and im all out of cd-rw's.
[21:33]  * Lure does not recall from where I know this face: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=82458
[21:33] <apachelogger> packaging might be fun then
[21:33] <Quintasan> lol @ drama magnet
[21:34]  * apachelogger likes drama
[21:34] <Riddell> ulysses__: interested in docs?
[21:34]  * apachelogger is quite the drama queen
[21:34] <apachelogger> Lure: doesnt look familiar to me
[21:35] <apachelogger> well, enough kidding for today
[21:35] <ulysses__> Riddell: yes, I am one of the Hungarian translators of kubuntu-docs, and the coordinator of the hungarian community documentation team
[21:35]  * apachelogger needs to get to bed
[21:35] <Lure> apachelogger: ditto ;-)
[21:39] <Lure_> Riddell: I can confirm that nixternal's /etc/init/kdm.conf fixes kdm starting for me
[21:41]  * Lure switches back to quassel to see if KC did the right decision ;-)
[21:44]  * a|wen is packaging the new bugfix release of kdesvn fixing the last bug in LP :)
[21:47] <rgreening> go a|wen
[21:47]  * rgreening thinks a|wen should pick another package and do the same
[21:48] <a|wen> rgreening: i'm trying to ;) ... i succeeded for qtoctave a while back; and that still holds
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> whoa, agateau is a father
[21:54] <rgreening> a|wen: cool
[21:55] <ScottK> Again?
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> Was he a father before this baby?
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> http://agateau.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/new-addition-to-my-life-antonin/
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, either IRC client aside. I feel sorry for those using KVirc :P
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> whatever floats your boat though...
[22:04] <Sput> "Antonin's sister", so I guess he's not the first :)
[22:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: KVirc is like Arch, their fanbois are relentless
[22:05] <ScottK> So I know why he wasn't on IRC today.
[22:05] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: any protips before applying to MOTU? :P
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, I missed the sister part
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: erm... hmm
[22:06] <nixternal> I need someone to clean my place!
[22:06] <nixternal> anyone down?
[22:06] <nixternal> it is just a bit dusty today for some reason
[22:06] <nixternal> think it is because the doors and windows have been closed up cuz it is cold and rainy
[22:07] <ScottK> nixternal: Sput reports he had a KDM hang that was fixed a few weeks ago on Trunk.  Maybe something got backported for 4.3.2 or fishing through kdesvn would provide a good result.
[22:08] <Sput> KDE trunk, that is
[22:08] <ScottK> Yeah
[22:09] <a|wen> find nixternals-place -name "*dust*" -exec rm ;
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> man, why is it so hard to come up with tips
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> oh noes, you just deleted all of his dusten hoffman movies
[22:10] <nixternal> ScottK: already fished through svn
[22:10] <ScottK> OK.
[22:10] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well, I'm not sure if my contributions are enough to get to MOTU. I tend to think I haven't done enough :P
[22:10] <nixternal> I found 0 boogs relating to hanging, and my trunk build has never hung
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: have you gotten any new packages through?
[22:11] <ScottK> OK, well Sput's did...
[22:11] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: no no, that will be Dusten with capital D :P
[22:11] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm, I remember doing kalternatives and more plasmoids, I'm working on Dooble but I suck at packaging java modules :/
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> I have never attempted java
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: have any of your new packages been uploaded to Ubuntu?
[22:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: yup
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> ok, that's good
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> and you've participated in several KDE packaging sessions
[22:14] <Quintasan> +docs translating if that helps
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> not really relevant for MOTU, but nice all the same :)
[22:14] <Quintasan> Dooble is PITA because it's license states something like this: if the browser is supplied with Java modules then license == GPLv2
[22:14] <Quintasan> and when I saw Java modules I was like - WTF is this?
[22:17] <Quintasan> oh god, there are ppl who use ubuntu since 4.10 @_@
[22:18]  * nixternal tried it
[22:19]  * ScottK started with 6.06
[22:19] <Quintasan> makes me fell inferior, better do more things brb :P
[22:19]  * ulysses__ started with 7.10
[22:19]  * Quintasan started with 6.10
[22:19] <a|wen> 6.06 was a nice release
[22:19] <Quintasan> 6.66 :P
[22:20]  * ScottK started feeling like he'd been around for a while when he noticed that the first two releases he'd been involved in development for were EOL (Feisty/Gutsy)
[22:20] <a|wen> heh
[22:20]  * ryanakca started with breezy... whichever that was.
[22:21] <a|wen> ryanakca: 5.10
[22:21] <ryanakca> a|wen: *nod*, I was wondering because I couldn't remember ever having had a release that started with a 'c'...
[22:22] <a|wen> heh, there never was ;)
[22:22]  * ryanakca wonders what will happen in 7-8 years when we run out of letters :)
[22:23] <ScottK> aardvark
[22:24] <ScottK> (doubles)
[22:24] <ryanakca> :)
[22:24] <a|wen> talking about releases; kudos to everyone for kubuntu 8.10, especially the 4.1.4 update... my desktop is still running it (only security+updates; no backports), and it is running like a dream! (just wanted to share; guess most others here have moved on from 8.10 :) )
[22:25] <nixternal> huzzah, kdm works after logout...now to figure out which patch it was that prevents it
[22:26] <nixternal> holy shit, 1h 9min just to grab a couple of packages
[22:26] <a|wen> oh, so it is maybe not my connection, but the archives being slow i guess
[22:28] <nixternal> freenode is garbage today...well it is garbage every day, but today is especially bad
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> When I was 13 and trying out Linux distributions as an alternative to Windows, my dad came home and handed me an Ubuntu CD since it was becoming popular (I guess around 6.06 or so?)
[22:29] <nixternal> a|wen: no, the archives are run from someones desktop I think...it is Ubuntu, I think it is time they should be able to withstand a /. or digg type of deal
[22:29] <a|wen> oh no, we're loosing droids... eh ... humans fast :P
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> Anyways, I ran the live CD and noticed everything was an awful shade of brown
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> then I used fedora for a while
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Then I heard about Kubuntu, which actually used KDE and switched back at  7.04 (Fedora never convinced me to switch to Linux)
[22:30] <a|wen> nixternal: it's the beta-release overloading everything? ... just wait for the final release!
[22:30] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McO1cH54vEU
[22:31] <Quintasan> That's me
[22:31] <nixternal> beta release, openoffice.org update for <karmic, and samba update
[22:31] <nixternal> rofl
[22:31] <nixternal> Quintasan: I just pissed myself!@!)*!)!)!
[22:32] <Quintasan> :D
[22:32] <Quintasan> I look a little different now :P
[22:32]  * a|wen tried 6.06 as Ubuntu ... and luckily stubled over kubuntu a month later or so. from 6.10 onward i've never looked back (at neither gnome nor windows)
[22:32] <nixternal> I have watched it 10 times already..thati s funny
[22:32] <nixternal> you walk the board trying to save it
[22:33] <Quintasan> When I was on the ground I started to laugh that loud that my friends thought I hit my head a little bit too hard :P
[22:34] <nixternal> haha
[22:35] <nixternal> haha, who is that rollerblading in your other videos?
[22:35] <nixternal> holy cow, now that is damn funny
[22:35] <Quintasan> s/rollerblading/skateboarding
[22:35] <Quintasan> oh, you mean the second movie
[22:35] <Quintasan> :D
[22:35] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDL_ppkpKo&feature=channel
[22:35] <nixternal> that one
[22:35] <nixternal> ya
[22:36] <Quintasan> my friends, we do skateboarding but we found old rollerblades so we decided to give them a try :P
[22:36] <nixternal> the fact he tried to grind with the blades is impressive
[22:37] <nixternal> oh man, this is hillarious
[22:37] <Quintasan> ^_^
[22:37] <nixternal> damn, I am supposed to be cleaning up
[22:38] <nixternal> oh man, it gets better
[22:38] <nixternal> getting swung around by a brook stick
[22:40] <Quintasan> nixternal: when I'm alone I'm quite calm, but when I meet up with friends I go.. err, crazy?
[22:40] <nixternal> Quintasan: where at in the world is this located? from the langauge and what not I would definitely guess somewhere in Poland
[22:41] <Quintasan> Lubin, Poland
[22:41] <Quintasan> :P
[22:41] <nixternal> ahh, it looks nice there...when I was young my grandma took me to where she was born, not far from Warsaw, and I rmeember it looking rough
[22:41] <nixternal> I think it was like 1979 or 1980 when I went
[22:42] <Quintasan> When you were young~!
[22:43] <nixternal> ya, I was like 5 or 6
[22:43] <nixternal> I am not as young as ScottK, but hey, we can't all rock gray hair
[22:43] <nixternal> k, bbiab, need to go finish up some more stuff ;)
[22:44] <Quintasan> oh god, I found some photos
[22:44]  * JontheEchidna goes off to eat
[22:53] <seele_> there was a meeting?
[22:57] <a|wen> i knew i'd forgot something ... came back earlier than i thought, so could have been to the last part of the meeting
[22:59] <Quintasan> seele: yup
[23:03] <txwikinger> ha.. nixternal is trying to say he is old again :D
[23:12] <ScottK> seele: Short version is Dragonplayer/Quassel on the CD and Kaffeine/Konversation on the DVD and we have a new kubuntu-dev team to have upload rights for Kubuntu after archive reorg
[23:21] <yuriy> just saw the suspend dialog for the first time. very nice.
[23:24] <ScottK> yuriy: It's going away
[23:24] <ScottK> Change is already in bzr.
[23:24] <ScottK> Part of getting us in sync with upstream, since they rejected that change already
[23:54] <a|wen> is system-config-printer taken from KDE now; or do we still update to a newer version from somewhere else?
[23:54] <nixternal> ok, kdm is kicking my ass
[23:55] <nixternal> a|wen: KDE/kdeutils is where it is now
[23:55] <a|wen> nixternal: and we take it from there?
[23:56] <nixternal> a|wen: I would say so since I have seen Riddell commit changes there
[23:56] <nixternal> hey, I just got a nudge or some crap on Kopete, a message popped up but it was so damn fast I couldn't read it...how the hell do I find out what it was or who it was from?
[23:57] <a|wen> okay ... then there is a point in waiting till after 4.3.2 and see if some of the crashes are gone
[23:57] <dtchen> nudge? wth is that?
[23:57] <nixternal> i have no clue, I just saw the word nudge
[23:57] <nixternal> and then the damn popup disappeared
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: Riddell usually does feature development in bzr during our release cycles then commits to KDE once he's done
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> we usually get the features a release early as a result
[23:59] <a|wen> ahh; so looking in bzr is the right place ... need to test adding a network printer again and grab some stack traces; took me ~5 crashes to succeed last time :P