[00:04] <barry> rockstar: thanks for the comments.  i feel the same way, but i wanted to explore this option.
[00:05] <rockstar> barry, yea, exploring this is pretty cheap, so we should see all the options.
[00:07] <maxb> mwhudson: Hi
[00:07] <mwhudson> rockstar: how much work is involved in getting some bug-status like love for merge proposal status?
[00:07] <mwhudson> rockstar: (just curious, really)
[00:07] <mwhudson> maxb: hello
[00:08] <mwhudson> maxb: i wonder why i was pinging you :-)
[00:08] <maxb> :-)
[00:08] <mwhudson> oh right, that was it
[00:08] <rockstar> mwhudson, thumper's working on it, and I was told not to do it for him.  :)
[00:09] <mwhudson> maxb: i think it would be a good thing to copy a few packages from karmic to the ~launchpad ppa (python-launchpadlib & dependencies) and have launchpad-developer-dependencies depend on them
[00:09] <mwhudson> maxb: does that sound sane?
[00:09] <mwhudson> i've just installed a bunch of karmic packages on jaunty, seems to be working, dunno about hardy...
[00:09] <mwhudson> rockstar: heh heh
[00:10] <maxb> hm. What are they needed for?
[00:10] <wgrant> That doesn't sound like a good idea.
[00:11] <wgrant> Won't it just break everything on the other releases with the lazr.* setuptools mess?
[00:11] <rockstar> mwhudson, I know he's got the branch status stuff in review right now, and that deryck has reviewed it.
[00:11] <mwhudson> maxb: 'ec2 land' does stuff with launchpadlib and can't use the eggs we have because launchpad is still stuck on 2.4
[00:11] <mwhudson> maybe the real fix is to get launchpad on 2.5 asap
[00:11] <rockstar> maxb, mwhudson, wgrant, I might point out that it's been a habit that l-d-d tends to break in awkward ways every time we switch versions.
[00:12] <mwhudson> barry: hello
[00:12] <mwhudson> barry: Launchpad.  Python 2.5.  know what's going on there?
[00:12] <rockstar> mwhudson, I think gary was working on that.
[00:12]  * wgrant thought maxb was.
[00:12] <maxb> mwhudson: erm "can't use the eggs we have" - hmm?
[00:12] <wgrant> Current 2.5 test failures are at https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadOnKarmic
[00:12] <rockstar> Although it seems like gary is working on a lot of things, which may explain why it's slow going.
[00:13] <mwhudson> wgrant: oh that's a very useful page :)
[00:14] <maxb> rockstar: um, you can point that out, but what does that mean for the current discussion?
[00:14] <mwhudson> maxb: well, can't us /bin/py at least, because boto depends on python 2.5
[00:14] <barry> mwhudson: hi.  i don't.  i'd love to help this along
[00:14] <barry> mwhudson: /me -> dinner
[00:14] <maxb> mwhudson: ah, ok- that makes sense
[00:15] <maxb> Status of LP on Python 2.5 is that people, me included, need to work on whittling the list on LaunchpadOnKarmic
[00:16] <maxb> If 'ec2 land' requires a system-python launchpadlib newer than available in older ubuntus, normally I would be all for a backport.
[00:16] <rockstar> maxb, LaunchpadOnKarmic is a misleading name, since I'm running Launchpad on Karmic right now.
[00:16] <maxb> However, the namespace package mess is a major blocker
[00:16] <maxb> You are right, the wiki page is now poorly named.
[00:16] <maxb> When I started it, I assumed that 2.4 on karmic was not a possibility
[00:17] <rockstar> maxb, I point this out in saying that we did this exact same thing with this same package on the Intrepid->Jaunty jump that caused breakages, but we weren't too concerned since it worked for Launchpad.
[00:17] <maxb> huh? 'exact same thing'
[00:17] <maxb> ?
[00:18]  * mwhudson lunches
[02:19] <mwhudson> wgrant: i think i have just thumped into the "setuptools lazr namespace package" issue
[02:19] <mwhudson> wgrant: do you know a workaround?
[02:20] <mwhudson> oh, i think there's one on that handy wiki page
[02:28] <mwhudson> oh man W T F
[02:28] <mwhudson> apache is broken on my machine because fricking WINDMILL chokes on import if $PATH isn't set
[02:29] <mwhudson> well not broken, but unhappy
[02:30] <wgrant> mwhudson: I don't have any real breakage from the lazr setuptools issue.
[02:30] <wgrant> Apart from a few tests.
[02:30] <mwhudson> wgrant: i didn't have lazr.enum installed system wide
[02:31] <mwhudson> which seemed to break scripts/mirror-branch.py rather thoroughly
[02:32] <wgrant> mwhudson: Yep, codehosting script tests are broken.
[02:32] <wgrant> Fortunately I haven't had cause to touch codehosting much lately.
[02:32]  * wgrant lunches.
[03:26] <mwhudson> thumper: come back, it's too quiet here
[03:29] <MTecknology> You should all feel sorry for me..
[03:29] <MTecknology> I'm about to make a sync from Launchpad to Drupal...
[03:29] <MTecknology> for 4 projects
[03:36] <wgrant> This side of the world is rapidly running out of LP engineers.
[03:39] <MTecknology> wgrant: I'll be trying to do some LP dev pretty soon
[03:41] <wgrant> MTecknology: You are not on my side of the world!
[03:42] <MTecknology> wgrant: I could be
[03:46] <MTecknology> more and more, cvs irks me
[03:47] <MTecknology> I know I made changes - but cvs won't listen
[05:38] <mwhudson> hmm
[05:38] <mwhudson> make build is failing on the python2.5 branch
[06:02]  * mwhudson EOWs
[06:17] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[06:23] <mwhudson> hello al-maisan
[06:24] <al-maisan> hello mwhudson :)
[08:27] <adeuring> good morning
[08:51] <thumper> morning
[08:51] <thumper> mwhudson: back soon :)
[08:52] <wgrant> How is the team lead thingy going?
[09:04] <thumper> wgrant: interestingly
[09:05] <thumper> wgrant: there'll be some email sent to the dev list at the end of today I expect
[09:05] <mrevell> Morning
[09:06] <thumper> mrevell: morning
[09:54] <henninge> Hi, I found out that I can do this to use a TAL formatter in view code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/283641/
[09:55] <henninge> Is that a "legal" use of the API or should I access the formatter in some other way?
[09:55] <henninge> jtv: ^?
[09:56] <jtv> henninge: all I can say is it's clever and simple.  :)
[09:56] <henninge> jtv: thanks ;) So you'd let that through on a review? I guess that is what I am asking ...
[09:57] <jtv> henninge: curtis is the real person to ask imho
[09:57] <jtv> but I would allow that, yes.
[09:57] <henninge> jtv: oh, and he's in our time zone atm ... ;)
[09:57] <jtv> or close to it
[09:58] <henninge> sinzui: Hi! Is it OK to do this in a view? http://paste.ubuntu.com/283641/
[10:29] <bigjools> wgrant: hey there - did you ever get anywhere with the download counters for PPAs?
[10:30] <wgrant> bigjools: The refactoring of the existing log parser is done, so the PPA backend is very very easy.
[10:30] <wgrant> But it needed discussion, so I decided to wait until post-3.0.
[10:30] <wgrant> (the refactoring is done and merged, that is)
[10:30] <bigjools> awesome
[10:31] <bigjools> we'd like it to work with the partner archive too :)
[10:32] <wgrant> So I saw.
[10:37] <al-maisan> hello code hosting guys :)
[10:37] <al-maisan> diffs in merge proposals seem to be off quite a bit
[10:37] <al-maisan> see e.g. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~al-maisan/launchpad/cmsg-425800/+merge/12774
[10:37] <al-maisan> and http://pastebin.com/m4c94727b
[10:37] <sinzui> henninge: sorry I am sprinting. I think your pastebin, if fine. I have used tales in code several times.
[10:38] <henninge> sinzui: I am aware of you sprinting ... ;) Thanks for taking the time to look at my pastebin.
[10:38] <noodles775> al-maisan, you're aware that you've targeted db-devel there?
[10:39] <al-maisan> noodles775: oops, my fault then.
[10:40] <al-maisan> I apologise to the code hosting guys ;P
[10:40] <noodles775> al-maisan, I've done that too... start a branch when devel is closed and forget later :)
[10:40]  * al-maisan needs some coffee
[10:40] <al-maisan> bbiab
[10:55] <wgrant> bigjools: My quick PPA BPR counter implementation from several weeks ago is only about 300 lines of diff.
[10:58] <noodles775> wgrant or bigjools: could one of you take a look at my comments at the bottom of https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84457 ?
[10:58] <noodles775> I'm confused why the Packages file would be empty rather than simply containing the previous versions?
[11:00] <wgrant> Lessee.
[11:02] <wgrant> Hmm.
[11:02] <wgrant> That is a good question.
[11:03] <wgrant> Hm.
[11:03] <wgrant> Looks like it never built on Hardy.
[11:04] <wgrant> I can't find a successful Hardy build (they're all superseded), while the rest are fine.
[11:04] <wgrant> I presume it keeps depwaiting.
[11:04] <wgrant> We'll see in a minute or two.
[11:05] <noodles775> wgrant, https://launchpad.net/~inkscape-nightly/+archive/ppa/+build/841006
[11:05] <noodles775> (and thanks for taking a look)
[11:07] <wgrant> noodles775: Ah.
[11:07] <wgrant> So it did succeed months ago.
[11:07] <wgrant> But.
[11:07] <wgrant> It was deleted.
[11:07] <wgrant> 0.46+devel~nightly8.04-7213-1 was the last success.
[11:07] <wgrant> The subsequent upload failed.
[11:07] <wgrant> Both were deleted.
[11:07] <wgrant> So the binaries vanished.
[11:08] <wgrant> No later upload succeeded, so there are still no binaries.
[11:08] <noodles775> Ah - great.... thanks wgrant .
[11:10] <wgrant> The DASBP views make that pretty easy to see, but it's rather more convoluted for a PPA.
[11:10] <noodles775> Yeah.
[14:11] <barry> noodles775: hi!  would you be able to do a quick ui review of some screen shots?
[14:13] <noodles775> barry, sure - if it gives me a break from CHR project reviewing :)
[14:13] <barry> noodles775: :)
[14:13] <barry> noodles775: can you take a look at the last two screen shots in bug 440220
[14:13] <mup> Bug #440220: registering slot interferes with watermark <post-ui-3-cleanup> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by barry> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/440220>
[14:14] <noodles775> looking
[15:16] <EdwinGrubbs> lifeless: ping
[15:17] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: ping
[15:18] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, hi
[15:18] <beuno> jml, http://paste.ubuntu.com/283879/
[15:25] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: can you give me your feedback on the mockups in bug 399554
[15:25] <mup> Bug #399554: timeline series data is very hard to access <post-3-ui-cleanup> <ui> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by edwin-grubbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/399554>
[15:27] <beuno> let me try
[15:29] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, it's nice
[15:29] <beuno> it's a good idea
[15:29] <beuno> although removing the dates is... well, I don't know
[15:33] <jml> beuno, thanks. as discussed, mainline commits are more interesting.
[15:34] <beuno> "patches welcome", I hear
[15:36] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: statik had the idea of just hiding the dates when the graph is in a portlet. I could also do something where depending on your zoom level it would hide/show the dates, or I could add a checkbox next to the zoom buttons.
[15:37] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, ah, could be a good idea
[15:37] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, lets have a call next week about it
[15:37] <beuno> would that work for you?
[15:41] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: sure. I'll set that up after I get some feedback from lifeless.
[15:41] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, great, thanks
[15:54] <thumper> can anyone swap CHR with me for the 7th?
[16:03] <mrevell> thumper: I'm down for the 14th. Do you wanna take that and I'll take your 7th?
[16:03] <thumper> mrevell: sounds great, thanks
[16:03] <mrevell> thumper: I'll update the calendar
[16:04] <thumper> mrevell: ta
[17:13] <mrevell> Hmm, I'm getting a traceback on ec2 test today but it was fine yesterday. Anyone else seen that?
[17:26] <gmb> Argh. Why am I getting "AttributeError: 'thread._local' object has no attribute 'interaction'"?
[23:00] <lifeless> EdwinGrubbs: yo?
[23:01] <EdwinGrubbs> lifeless: hi, did you see the mockups in the bug you opened
[23:02] <lifeless> EdwinGrubbs: hi, yes been thinking
[23:02] <lifeless> EdwinGrubbs: I think they are better
[23:10] <EdwinGrubbs> lifeless: The main differences between the mockups and the old textual display of series/milestones/releases are that the graph doesn't wrap milestones/releases in large series and that it limits both the height and width of the displayed data.
[23:11] <EdwinGrubbs> lifeless: it might improve the usability of the graph it was possible to optionally hide/display milestones and releases based on what you interested in.
[23:17] <kiko> ahoy there
[23:17] <kiko> it's KARMIC UPGRADE day
[23:17] <kiko> wooo
[23:18]  * wgrant quickly uploads some change to break kiko's machine.
[23:18] <kiko> somebody already did that
[23:18] <wgrant> :(
[23:18] <kiko> maybe you could upload a fix though!
[23:19] <kiko> what's with the splash screen coming after all the boot messages
[23:19] <wgrant> It's probably because it has to wait for KMS to initialise. Keybuk was working on that sort of thing, and it's a lot better than it was a month ago.
[23:20] <wgrant> I presume it will get quieter before release.
[23:20] <james_w> you get all boot messages?
[23:20] <james_w> or just some apparmor/modprobe/fsck stuff
[23:20] <james_w> and then a few "starting" messages?
[23:20] <Fly-Man-> Hooray, Karmic is here
[23:21] <wgrant> Maybe I misunderstood the full magnitude of the issue. I just get a few lines at the start.
[23:25] <kiko> james_w: I only get like 10 lines after some 2 screen flashes, but it kinda upsets the smooth experience
[23:25] <kiko> james_w: starting with fsck and then some other stuff
[23:25] <james_w> yeah
[23:25] <kiko> the boot is so fast
[23:25] <james_w> I think true smoothness will be next release
[23:25] <kiko> that having the flash and switch just steals victory
[23:26] <james_w> I think there's work to do to quieten things down without giving no information when the boot fails
[23:30] <kiko> sure, but the boot doesn't fail for me!