[00:04] rockstar: thanks for the comments. i feel the same way, but i wanted to explore this option. [00:05] barry, yea, exploring this is pretty cheap, so we should see all the options. [00:07] mwhudson: Hi [00:07] rockstar: how much work is involved in getting some bug-status like love for merge proposal status? [00:07] rockstar: (just curious, really) [00:07] maxb: hello [00:08] maxb: i wonder why i was pinging you :-) [00:08] :-) [00:08] oh right, that was it [00:08] mwhudson, thumper's working on it, and I was told not to do it for him. :) [00:09] maxb: i think it would be a good thing to copy a few packages from karmic to the ~launchpad ppa (python-launchpadlib & dependencies) and have launchpad-developer-dependencies depend on them [00:09] maxb: does that sound sane? [00:09] i've just installed a bunch of karmic packages on jaunty, seems to be working, dunno about hardy... [00:09] rockstar: heh heh [00:10] hm. What are they needed for? [00:10] That doesn't sound like a good idea. [00:11] Won't it just break everything on the other releases with the lazr.* setuptools mess? [00:11] mwhudson, I know he's got the branch status stuff in review right now, and that deryck has reviewed it. [00:11] maxb: 'ec2 land' does stuff with launchpadlib and can't use the eggs we have because launchpad is still stuck on 2.4 [00:11] maybe the real fix is to get launchpad on 2.5 asap [00:11] maxb, mwhudson, wgrant, I might point out that it's been a habit that l-d-d tends to break in awkward ways every time we switch versions. [00:12] barry: hello [00:12] barry: Launchpad. Python 2.5. know what's going on there? [00:12] mwhudson, I think gary was working on that. [00:12] * wgrant thought maxb was. [00:12] mwhudson: erm "can't use the eggs we have" - hmm? [00:12] Current 2.5 test failures are at https://dev.launchpad.net/LaunchpadOnKarmic [00:12] Although it seems like gary is working on a lot of things, which may explain why it's slow going. [00:13] wgrant: oh that's a very useful page :) [00:14] rockstar: um, you can point that out, but what does that mean for the current discussion? [00:14] maxb: well, can't us /bin/py at least, because boto depends on python 2.5 [00:14] mwhudson: hi. i don't. i'd love to help this along [00:14] mwhudson: /me -> dinner [00:14] mwhudson: ah, ok- that makes sense [00:15] Status of LP on Python 2.5 is that people, me included, need to work on whittling the list on LaunchpadOnKarmic [00:16] If 'ec2 land' requires a system-python launchpadlib newer than available in older ubuntus, normally I would be all for a backport. [00:16] maxb, LaunchpadOnKarmic is a misleading name, since I'm running Launchpad on Karmic right now. [00:16] However, the namespace package mess is a major blocker [00:16] You are right, the wiki page is now poorly named. [00:16] When I started it, I assumed that 2.4 on karmic was not a possibility [00:17] maxb, I point this out in saying that we did this exact same thing with this same package on the Intrepid->Jaunty jump that caused breakages, but we weren't too concerned since it worked for Launchpad. [00:17] huh? 'exact same thing' [00:17] ? [00:18] * mwhudson lunches [02:19] wgrant: i think i have just thumped into the "setuptools lazr namespace package" issue [02:19] wgrant: do you know a workaround? [02:20] oh, i think there's one on that handy wiki page [02:28] oh man W T F [02:28] apache is broken on my machine because fricking WINDMILL chokes on import if $PATH isn't set [02:29] well not broken, but unhappy [02:30] mwhudson: I don't have any real breakage from the lazr setuptools issue. [02:30] Apart from a few tests. [02:30] wgrant: i didn't have lazr.enum installed system wide [02:31] which seemed to break scripts/mirror-branch.py rather thoroughly [02:32] mwhudson: Yep, codehosting script tests are broken. [02:32] Fortunately I haven't had cause to touch codehosting much lately. [02:32] * wgrant lunches. [03:26] thumper: come back, it's too quiet here [03:29] You should all feel sorry for me.. [03:29] I'm about to make a sync from Launchpad to Drupal... [03:29] for 4 projects [03:36] This side of the world is rapidly running out of LP engineers. [03:39] wgrant: I'll be trying to do some LP dev pretty soon [03:41] MTecknology: You are not on my side of the world! [03:42] wgrant: I could be [03:46] more and more, cvs irks me [03:47] I know I made changes - but cvs won't listen [05:38] hmm [05:38] make build is failing on the python2.5 branch [06:02] * mwhudson EOWs [06:17] Good morning! [06:23] hello al-maisan [06:24] hello mwhudson :) === absoludity is now known as noodles775 [08:27] good morning [08:51] morning [08:51] mwhudson: back soon :) [08:52] How is the team lead thingy going? [09:04] wgrant: interestingly [09:05] wgrant: there'll be some email sent to the dev list at the end of today I expect [09:05] Morning [09:06] mrevell: morning === henninge_ is now known as henninge [09:54] Hi, I found out that I can do this to use a TAL formatter in view code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/283641/ [09:55] Is that a "legal" use of the API or should I access the formatter in some other way? [09:55] jtv: ^? [09:56] henninge: all I can say is it's clever and simple. :) [09:56] jtv: thanks ;) So you'd let that through on a review? I guess that is what I am asking ... [09:57] henninge: curtis is the real person to ask imho [09:57] but I would allow that, yes. [09:57] jtv: oh, and he's in our time zone atm ... ;) [09:57] or close to it [09:58] sinzui: Hi! Is it OK to do this in a view? http://paste.ubuntu.com/283641/ [10:29] wgrant: hey there - did you ever get anywhere with the download counters for PPAs? [10:30] bigjools: The refactoring of the existing log parser is done, so the PPA backend is very very easy. [10:30] But it needed discussion, so I decided to wait until post-3.0. [10:30] (the refactoring is done and merged, that is) [10:30] awesome [10:31] we'd like it to work with the partner archive too :) [10:32] So I saw. [10:37] hello code hosting guys :) [10:37] diffs in merge proposals seem to be off quite a bit [10:37] see e.g. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~al-maisan/launchpad/cmsg-425800/+merge/12774 [10:37] and http://pastebin.com/m4c94727b [10:37] henninge: sorry I am sprinting. I think your pastebin, if fine. I have used tales in code several times. [10:38] sinzui: I am aware of you sprinting ... ;) Thanks for taking the time to look at my pastebin. [10:38] al-maisan, you're aware that you've targeted db-devel there? [10:39] noodles775: oops, my fault then. [10:40] I apologise to the code hosting guys ;P [10:40] al-maisan, I've done that too... start a branch when devel is closed and forget later :) [10:40] * al-maisan needs some coffee [10:40] bbiab [10:55] bigjools: My quick PPA BPR counter implementation from several weeks ago is only about 300 lines of diff. [10:58] wgrant or bigjools: could one of you take a look at my comments at the bottom of https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84457 ? [10:58] I'm confused why the Packages file would be empty rather than simply containing the previous versions? [11:00] Lessee. [11:02] Hmm. [11:02] That is a good question. [11:03] Hm. [11:03] Looks like it never built on Hardy. [11:04] I can't find a successful Hardy build (they're all superseded), while the rest are fine. [11:04] I presume it keeps depwaiting. [11:04] We'll see in a minute or two. [11:05] wgrant, https://launchpad.net/~inkscape-nightly/+archive/ppa/+build/841006 [11:05] (and thanks for taking a look) [11:07] noodles775: Ah. [11:07] So it did succeed months ago. [11:07] But. [11:07] It was deleted. [11:07] 0.46+devel~nightly8.04-7213-1 was the last success. [11:07] The subsequent upload failed. [11:07] Both were deleted. [11:07] So the binaries vanished. [11:08] No later upload succeeded, so there are still no binaries. [11:08] Ah - great.... thanks wgrant . [11:10] The DASBP views make that pretty easy to see, but it's rather more convoluted for a PPA. [11:10] Yeah. === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara === matsubara_ is now known as matsubara [14:11] noodles775: hi! would you be able to do a quick ui review of some screen shots? [14:13] barry, sure - if it gives me a break from CHR project reviewing :) [14:13] noodles775: :) [14:13] noodles775: can you take a look at the last two screen shots in bug 440220 [14:13] Bug #440220: registering slot interferes with watermark [14:14] looking === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [15:16] lifeless: ping [15:17] beuno: ping [15:18] EdwinGrubbs, hi [15:18] jml, http://paste.ubuntu.com/283879/ [15:25] beuno: can you give me your feedback on the mockups in bug 399554 [15:25] Bug #399554: timeline series data is very hard to access [15:27] let me try [15:29] EdwinGrubbs, it's nice [15:29] it's a good idea [15:29] although removing the dates is... well, I don't know [15:33] beuno, thanks. as discussed, mainline commits are more interesting. [15:34] "patches welcome", I hear [15:36] beuno: statik had the idea of just hiding the dates when the graph is in a portlet. I could also do something where depending on your zoom level it would hide/show the dates, or I could add a checkbox next to the zoom buttons. [15:37] EdwinGrubbs, ah, could be a good idea [15:37] EdwinGrubbs, lets have a call next week about it [15:37] would that work for you? [15:41] beuno: sure. I'll set that up after I get some feedback from lifeless. [15:41] EdwinGrubbs, great, thanks === kees_ is now known as kees === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:54] can anyone swap CHR with me for the 7th? [16:03] thumper: I'm down for the 14th. Do you wanna take that and I'll take your 7th? [16:03] mrevell: sounds great, thanks [16:03] thumper: I'll update the calendar [16:04] mrevell: ta [17:13] Hmm, I'm getting a traceback on ec2 test today but it was fine yesterday. Anyone else seen that? [17:26] Argh. Why am I getting "AttributeError: 'thread._local' object has no attribute 'interaction'"? === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === james_w` is now known as james_w [23:00] EdwinGrubbs: yo? [23:01] lifeless: hi, did you see the mockups in the bug you opened [23:02] EdwinGrubbs: hi, yes been thinking [23:02] EdwinGrubbs: I think they are better [23:10] lifeless: The main differences between the mockups and the old textual display of series/milestones/releases are that the graph doesn't wrap milestones/releases in large series and that it limits both the height and width of the displayed data. [23:11] lifeless: it might improve the usability of the graph it was possible to optionally hide/display milestones and releases based on what you interested in. [23:17] ahoy there [23:17] it's KARMIC UPGRADE day [23:17] wooo [23:18] * wgrant quickly uploads some change to break kiko's machine. [23:18] somebody already did that [23:18] :( [23:18] maybe you could upload a fix though! [23:19] what's with the splash screen coming after all the boot messages [23:19] It's probably because it has to wait for KMS to initialise. Keybuk was working on that sort of thing, and it's a lot better than it was a month ago. [23:20] I presume it will get quieter before release. [23:20] you get all boot messages? [23:20] or just some apparmor/modprobe/fsck stuff [23:20] and then a few "starting" messages? [23:20] Hooray, Karmic is here [23:21] Maybe I misunderstood the full magnitude of the issue. I just get a few lines at the start. [23:25] james_w: I only get like 10 lines after some 2 screen flashes, but it kinda upsets the smooth experience [23:25] james_w: starting with fsck and then some other stuff [23:25] yeah [23:25] the boot is so fast [23:25] I think true smoothness will be next release [23:25] that having the flash and switch just steals victory [23:26] I think there's work to do to quieten things down without giving no information when the boot fails [23:30] sure, but the boot doesn't fail for me! === rockstar` is now known as rockstar