[00:00] <blakamin> cd /home/<username>/Desktop
[00:00] <blakamin> then "sudo dpkg -i clamtk_4.18-1all.deb"
[00:00] <blakamin> "Desktop" with a capital "D"
[00:00] <sabayonweb_91075> i got it guys
[00:00] <sabayonweb_91075> WORKED :]
[00:00] <blakamin> yay!
[00:00] <blakamin> congrats!
[00:01] <mark___> great
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> i am still transitioning from windows srry
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> im learning
[00:01] <blakamin> no probs!
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> :]
[00:01] <yofel> argh, sry, forgot the capital D -.-
[00:01] <Raydiation> hm
[00:01] <Raydiation> nvidia driver installation fails?
[00:01] <Raydiation> wtf
[00:01] <blakamin> you have now learnt a couple of terminal commands
[00:01] <aurolac> is there a md5 hash list for beta isos?
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> now if i get an error for other programs i just do the same method
[00:01] <blakamin> yup
[00:01] <sabayonweb_91075> pk big help thenaks
[00:02] <jadams> I'm not able to view TV on my mythtv installation...it just shows a (1) like a TV test signal and then goes back to the menu
[00:02] <jadams> I can open the tv tuner in mplayer, etc. and see static, which is appropriate as it's not tuned
[00:02] <blakamin> yofel: new thing in karmic I think... cant remember jaunty having caps... might have tho
[00:02] <maximash___> hi to you all .. :) i'm on Karmic x64, can't install Ubuntu Tweak (from www.ubuntu-tweak.com), i tried to install the 0.4.9 version for karmic... it gives me an error message... is it a known issue? can someone help? thx..
[00:02] <blakamin> case sense gets people everytime! lol
[00:02] <yofel> blakamin: I think it did, it just slipped my mind
[00:03] <ikonia> maximash___: as ubuntu-tweak is not packaged for ubuntu and 3rd party maintained, it may be best to get support from the maintainer
[00:03] <yofel> maximash___: something about a invalid file descriptor?
[00:03] <Umeaboy> Try installing using Virtualbox then, maximash___
[00:04] <Umeaboy> www.virtualbox.org
[00:04] <ikonia> Umeaboy: what has that got to do with ubuntu-tweak ?
[00:04] <maximash___> Yofel : yes, bad file descriptor
[00:04] <maximash___> :)
[00:04] <blakamin> yofel: exactly my next question... might have to cut&paste for the next couple of hours!
[00:04] <test34> upon reboot, I had to kill X server to be able to login, is this a known bug?
[00:04] <yofel> maximash___: use the terminal instead, it's a bug and being worked on
[00:04] <yofel> blakamin: haha, me too ^^
[00:04] <Umeaboy> ikonia: He can install using that way & see if the same error appears.
[00:04] <maximash___> thx
[00:04] <maximash___> :)
[00:04] <Umeaboy> I had no errors installing Mandriva 2009.1 in Ubuntu using Virtualbox.
[00:05] <Umeaboy> That's a difference.
[00:05] <ikonia> Umeaboy: why ? he knows the error exists in his current install
[00:05] <ikonia> no it's not
[00:05] <ikonia> mandriva is nothing to do with an ubuntu problem
[00:05] <Umeaboy> ikonia: If I had errors on the disc when I installed Mandriva, the installation whould've been corrupted.
[00:06] <maximash___> my integrated microphones works out-of-the-box with Karmic... :) i am so happy
[00:06] <ikonia> Umeaboy: iot's nothing to do with the disk - he's installing ubuntu-tweak - it's not an ubuntu product
[00:07] <roffe> when I type sudo update-manager -d it tells me it's wating for me to exit other downloading software, but I'm not using any other software
[00:07] <blakamin> I wish someone would change the topic to "'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'"
[00:07] <mark___> lol
[00:07] <yofel> lol
[00:08] <Umeaboy> roffe: Checked with top?
[00:08] <maximash___> installing ubuntu-tweak from terminal worked for me... :) thank you ..
[00:08]  * yofel whishes they would have just applied the same patch as last time for that bug instead of waiting for upstream to fix it...
[00:09] <blakamin> roffe:system>admin>system monitor and make sure synaptic isn't running or you dont have any packages installing in terminal
[00:09] <roffe> Umeaboy, now I have
[00:09] <Umeaboy> roffe: And?
[00:09] <roffe> nothing
[00:09] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:09] <Umeaboy> I'd logout and in again to see if the same thing happens.
[00:09] <roffe> I've actually already tried that
[00:09]  * blakamin totally agrees with yofel!
[00:10] <blakamin> patch was haeld back for beta release... *should* be out soon
[00:11] <roffe> I'll try rebooting it again
[00:11] <blakamin> roffe: try using terminal for updates
[00:11] <roffe> blakamin, what should I write?
[00:12] <blakamin> update manager has been a bit of an issue in the last few weeks
[00:12] <blakamin> sudo apt-get update
[00:12] <roffe> then?
[00:13] <blakamin> sudo apt-get-upgrade
[00:13] <blakamin> oops-- sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:14] <roffe> blakamin: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[00:15] <blakamin> no updates yet then
[00:15] <roffe> but it's out for everyone else.. aaaah, I'm going nuts over this
[00:15] <blakamin> there has been no updates for about 18 hours for me
[00:15] <blakamin> is this to upgrade to the beta?
[00:15] <roffe> yes
[00:15] <blakamin> ok... hang on
[00:15] <euxneks> blakamin: are you using a mirror or the official repo?
[00:16] <blakamin> NZ mirror...  but I check update every 3 hours
[00:16] <euxneks> is "everyone else" also using the NZ mirror?
[00:17] <yofel> < archive.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <euxneks> it could be that the NZ mirror waits a bit
[00:17] <mark___> god i hope not, i am in the uk!
[00:17] <euxneks> i.e. it's a bit behind
[00:17] <euxneks> that's just a guess from someone not involved with the project though ;)
[00:17] <mark___> i think we have to be patient
[00:17] <blakamin> 20 years euxneks, 20 years!
[00:18] <blakamin> roffe: have you tried sudo update-manager -d
[00:18] <yofel> roffe: aren't you already using karmic?
[00:18] <blakamin> i've been running the alpha since 4 so I'm just checking for daily updates
[00:18] <roffe> yes, it gives me the error saying I'm using other downloading software that has to be terminated, but I'm not
[00:19] <euxneks> oh wait, I thought blakamin was the one asking the questions! man I should read the beginning of convos before I put my big nose into things
[00:19] <blakamin> hmm
[00:19] <roffe> yofel, yes, but only a6
[00:19] <blakamin> roffe, if you have got updates in the last 3 days, you have the beta!
[00:19] <yofel> roffe: if you want to have your repository really up-to-date switch from a mirror to the main server in sofware properties
[00:20] <thiebaude> blakamin, also i was wondering that, no updates today
[00:20] <trappist> after upgrade I can only get audio in KDE apps.  anybody else seeing this?
[00:20] <yofel> roffe: but there really isn't that much difference in the last days just like blakamin said
[00:20] <mark___> is there a command i can type to get my exact version i am using?
[00:20] <blakamin> thiebaude, not  yet
[00:20] <roffe> yofel I've tried that. blakamin, In beta the add/remove is supposed to be gone, and it's not
[00:20] <thiebaude> blakamin, only chromium and update manager update
[00:21] <blakamin> yup
[00:21] <thiebaude> blakamin, still no video as far as wmv. in chromium
[00:21] <thiebaude> i cant install chrome
[00:21] <blakamin> I still have add/remove... no big deal, it's just a left over
[00:21] <holmser> just tried the update manager update... it just sat there for 4 hours after downloading the files while I was at school while on the install step
[00:22] <thiebaude> when i did the chrome .deb it wont install
[00:22] <holmser> that was really unclear... sorry
[00:22] <blakamin> thiebaude, 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'"
[00:23] <thiebaude> blakamin, of i'll try, last nite i left the -i out, just used the i
[00:23]  * thiebaude brb
[00:24] <holmser> any ideas why the update manager won't install 9.10?  doesn't hang, doesn't really do anything.  and when I look at the terminal window, it just has a bunch of y's
[00:25] <blakamin> are you running an alpha holmser?
[00:28] <blakamin> brb... going to reboot to see if I have fixed an issue of mine
[00:29] <antitezo> hi all, is there some reason that the beta don't let me switch to console pressing alt+ctrl+1? i used to do that to solve my monitor "out of range" problem, but now it doesnt work
[00:31] <test34> antitezo, try ctrl-alt-f1
[00:31] <Veinor> Yeah, ctrl-alt-f1.
[00:31] <thiebaude> blakamin, cannot access archive:no such file or directory, when i tried to install chrome
[00:31] <antitezo> sorry i did try that, i miss mythe f when typing
[00:31] <Raydiation> can you play mp3 files?
[00:32] <Raydiation> ive installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:32] <Raydiation> it sais cant play, stream to bi
[00:32] <Raydiation> g
[00:33] <thiebaude> blakamin, i tried that and it didn't work
[00:33] <leoncismeck> The tracker is not allowing me to download/track 9.10beta desktop
[00:34] <blakamin> thiebaude, weird... might have to reboot then
[00:34] <thiebaude> blakamin, it said no such file or directory, i downloaded it to the desktop
[00:35] <blakamin> ok... what you want is cd ~/Desktop
[00:35] <blakamin> then try again
[00:35] <blakamin> capital D
[00:35] <thiebaude> blakamin, ok, thanks i'll try that
[00:35] <roffe> for those who have upgraded..
[00:36] <thiebaude> brb
[00:36] <roffe> is add/remove still in >system>administration?
[00:37] <Raydiation> can you play mp3 files?
[00:38] <yofel> roffe: afaik all that happened is that ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on it anymore, so it won't be removed on upgrade and won't be installed on fresh install
[00:39] <jamalta> hi, i need to set AccelMethod to EXA to test an issue i am having but xorg.conf is not there in karmic :\
[00:39] <jamalta> could someone guide me in which direction i can go to do that?
[00:39] <yofel> jamalta: there is no EXA support for intel cards anymore in karmic
[00:39] <jamalta> yofel: i'm using ati
[00:40] <yofel> jamalta: then run 'sudo Xorg -configure' in a terminal and copy the dummy file from /root/ to /etc/X11/ and edit it there
[00:40] <thiebaude> blakamin, this is waht it says ,Setting up google-chrome-unstable (4.0.213.1-r27053) ...
[00:41] <thiebaude> blakamin, i got its installed thanks alot
[00:42] <blakamin> no probs!
[00:44] <Raydiation> hm i cant play any music at all
[00:47] <test34> is the beta on mirrors yet?
[00:47] <holmser> blakamin, I'm running 9.04
[00:47] <blakamin> ok
[00:48] <leoncismeck> the tracker is still complaining about this torrent
[00:48] <leoncismeck> its bothering me
[00:49] <blakamin> holmser, you did sudo update-manager -d?
[00:50] <holmser> yeah
[00:50] <holmser> then I clicked on the 9.10 button, everything went well, downloaded files
[00:51] <blakamin> but then it stalls with the unpacking?
[00:51] <holmser> yeah
[00:51] <holmser> doesn't freeze, just doesn't actually do anything
[00:51] <blakamin> hmm... hang on a sec
[00:52] <holmser> when I click on the terminal, there is just a column of n's on the left side.  no real helpful info
[00:52] <holmser> is there a way to do it from CL?
[00:53] <aurolac> anyone have issue with flash in firefox in beta?
[00:53] <laszlok> hey the known issues on (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta) talks about the Ubuntu Moblin Remix, but there isn't a download available with the rest of the images, where can i download it?
[00:54] <blakamin> there is... I can't remeber at the moment
[00:54] <blakamin> sudo apt-get-update
[00:54] <thiebaude> blakamin, chrome works perfectly
[00:54] <blakamin> is the start
[00:54] <blakamin> sweet!
[00:55] <JanC> laszlok: all the packages are in the repository I suppose
[00:55] <JanC> (but if there are issues, maybe not the best idea to install them? ;) )
[00:56] <holmser> it set all my repos to karmic...
[00:56] <blakamin> I have never tried but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:57] <laszlok> JanC: theres only an issue with the web browser, which is fixed by using the PPA. I would still like to try the live image...
[00:58] <joshua__> can someone tell me why my screensaver won't start automatically?
[00:58] <holmser> there we go... downloading.  fingers crossed.
[00:58]  * blakamin crosses fingers
[00:58] <holmser> wtf... just did it again.  bunch of y's
[00:58] <joshua__> okay no help then...
[00:59] <blakamin> is your /home on a separate partition?
[01:00] <joshua__> blakamin, who?
[01:00] <blakamin> might pay to just get the iso. I'd also say the repos are getting hammered at the moment
[01:00] <blakamin> holmser
[01:00] <blakamin> sorry joshua__
[01:00] <joshua__> no problems blakamin
[01:01] <blakamin> I have no idea about screensavers... never used one
[01:01] <holmser> I have the iso... can I just mount it or do I need to burn it?
[01:01] <rsk> mirrors is fine for me 2.4mb/sec :)
[01:01] <joshua__> is monitor burn an issue with modern lcd screens?
[01:01] <blakamin> you can put it on usb key using USB startup disk creator
[01:02] <holmser> ahh.... there we go
[01:02] <blakamin> joshua__ not that I have found
[01:02] <aurolac> webcam for msi wind aint working in beta :/
[01:03] <blakamin> but when I am away for more than 10 mins, I turn my monitor off or shut my laptop lid
[01:03] <rsk> aurolac: works in jaunty?
[01:03] <aurolac> aye
[01:03] <rsk> report bug in launchpad
[01:03] <rsk> pajas11
[01:03] <rsk> bah
[01:03] <aurolac> it was logged maybe i'll reboot since my install
[01:03] <rsk> fokin terminals mixed up
[01:04] <aurolac> im not liking this ubuntu software store and the Price : free
[01:04] <aurolac> makes me nervous
[01:04] <joshua__> could there be a program preventing it from going to sleep?
[01:04] <rsk> aurolac: i can take 1$ per download if that would make you happy
[01:04] <joshua__> oh wait i think i just figured it out
[01:04] <aurolac> i spend half my time on a new ubuntu install removing crap
[01:04] <rsk> i'd have no problems with that :)
[01:05] <joshua__> there is a check box that says  activate screensave when computer is idle
[01:05] <joshua__> that was not checked
[01:05] <joshua__> I must have unchecked it by accident
[01:06] <blakamin> kewl!
[01:08] <Raydiation> the notifications are a bit far away from the top panel
[01:08] <Raydiation> is this supposed to be ok?
[01:08] <blakamin> there is a huge discussion on that at the forums
[01:11] <Raydiation> blakamin: why?
[01:11] <blakamin> about where the notifications are and why etc
[01:12] <blakamin> people want them moved etc
[01:13] <Crashbit> A graphical interface to configure it would be best
[01:14] <blakamin> that is one thing people want!
[01:14] <blakamin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1278890
[01:16] <test34> joshua__, http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm
[01:17] <joshua__> yeah i just read a similar article about it but thanks test34
[01:20] <test34> pretty hard to get a decent download speed fo karmic beta
[01:21] <cousteau> time to create the usb UNR image... I hope at least one of the two backups I made of my pendrive works
[01:22] <blakamin> test34, no surprises there today!
[01:24] <test34> I'm 20% surprised
[01:28] <blakamin> lol
[01:29] <rww> test34: that's probably partially because the tracker isn't working properly, so you're downloading over DHT.
[01:30] <test34> ok rww
[01:37] <test34> found a fast mirror http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/ (fast from here anyways)
[01:38] <test34> 1mb/sec
[01:38] <blakamin> kewl
[01:38] <rww> Yeah, I use the utah.edu server for updates. It's nice and dependable and fast :)
[01:39] <test34> I think I will start to use it too;)
[01:39] <Andre_Gondim> I can't download the Ubuntu Beta by torrent
[01:39] <test34> Andre_Gondim, try  http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[01:39] <rww> Andre_Gondim: it isn't registered properly with the tracker. If your client can do DHT, you could use that, otherwise download from the web.
[01:41] <Andre_Gondim> the same problem test34
[01:41] <test34> Andre_Gondim, try from the web like rww said
[01:42] <test34> (download .iso instead of .torrent)
[01:42] <akioghoster> or do a update-manager -d
[01:42] <akioghoster> sudo that is
[01:42] <akioghoster> after update & upgrade
[01:43] <test34> I will try a clean install for the beta to see if any problems get resolved
[01:44] <akio> Some of my problems were just resolved with the latest.
[01:45] <test34> since my last updated, a boot problem was introduced, I have to kill X to be able to login
[01:48] <akio> nasty
[01:49] <akio> the boot process is under heavy development
[01:50] <test34> I'm also switching to the 64bit version
[01:51] <wastrel> good morning
[01:51] <wastrel> i have koala
[01:51] <wastrel> on my computer
[01:53] <zsquareplusc> is there a problem with the beta torrent? transmission on 9.04 says something about "not authorized for this tracker"
[01:55] <test34> zsquareplusc,  <rww> Andre_Gondim: it isn't registered properly with the tracker. If your client can do DHT, you could use that, otherwise download from the web.
[01:55] <zsquareplusc> ok. whats DHT?
[01:56] <rww> zsquareplusc: distributed hash tables. I know Deluge can do it, dunno about Transmission.
[01:56] <test34> Distributed Hash Tables aka trackerless torrent
[01:56] <rww> zsquareplusc: basically, just leave your client alone for a few minutes. If it doesn't magically start downloading, DHT is probably turned off so go download from the web.
[01:57] <murielgodoi1> Hi guys, I've got "Request download is not authorized for use with this tracker message" message when trying to download the beta iso using torrent. Any ideas?
[01:57] <zsquareplusc> murielgodoi1: yes, read the 6 lines above :-)
[01:58] <rww> murielgodoi1: the Ubuntu tracker isn't set up properly. Leave your client alone for a few minutes, see if it finds some peers over DHT, if not download from the web instead.
[01:58] <test34> murielgodoi1, download from web http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[01:59] <murielgodoi1> zsquareplusc, rww, test34: my bad. I just get in adn didn't see that messages. thanks
[02:00] <zsquareplusc> murielgodoi1: sorry, join and part messages are hidden, did not see that you could not have had seen those ;-)
[02:01] <test34> someone should say it in the topic
[02:03] <murielgodoi1> test34: now, I'm downloading from web using that mirror, its about 110KB/s, thanks
[02:04] <test34> murielgodoi1, np
[02:09] <murielgodoi1> I'm about to try the 64bits version for the fisrt time,  is there any known problem that I should be prepared due to 32 -> 64 bits change?
[02:09] <blakamin> flash
[02:09] <rww> murielgodoi1: I've used 64-bit for a while, haven't had a problem with it.
[02:10] <iflema> here here.... ya been missn out
[02:10] <blakamin> but the flash thing might be solved... installing debs is sometimes an issue as most are for i386
[02:10] <rww> murielgodoi1: if you're planning on using Adobe's flash plugin, I'd recommend downloading the link at the bottom of http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html and putting the file it contains into ~/.mozilla/plugins/, rather than using the version in the repositories
[02:10] <nemo> Odd totem bug
[02:11] <nemo> It appears that the video portion (regardless of whether totem is zoomed to fullscreen or not) is playing *behind* everything else
[02:11] <darkham> now someone are trying karmic beta with static network setup?
[02:11] <nemo> or at least, there is a black square where the video should be, and a teensy thing 1px line along top edge that has same shifts in colour as the video would
[02:11] <nemo> mplayer works just fine
[02:11] <iflema> rrw has it... for flash thats is
[02:12] <nemo> better than ratsFatal Python error: PyEval_SaveThread: NULL tstate
[02:12] <nemo> huh. wonder where that bit of pastebin came from
[02:12] <nemo> anyway. and of course I'm still getting this crash on close - that happens on all my machines, and looks like is well documented
[02:12] <murielgodoi1> anyone tested skype?
[02:13] <test34> murielgodoi1, no but it looks like they skype now has a 64bit beta version
[02:13] <murielgodoi1> test34: cool
[02:14] <test34> the only thing with beta skype is you cannot use different devices for ringing and speakers
[02:15] <joshua__> so when i boot my computer...
[02:15] <arand> updates, finally, beta freeze is boooring :)
[02:15] <joshua__> i get a message that says that my bios are not supported...
[02:15] <arand> joshua__: that's very common
[02:15] <test34> but that can be solved by having skype run "mplayer /sounds/ring.wav" when the phone ring
[02:15] <joshua__> arand, so it is nothing to worry about?
[02:15] <joshua__> I have never seen that message before
[02:16] <arand> joshua__: shouldn't bee I don't think
[02:16] <blakamin> I get it all the time
[02:16] <joshua__> Okay... it hasn't impacted performance or anything i was just curious
[02:17] <blakamin> no probs with it... I think the only reason we see it now is due to no usplash
[02:17] <joshua__> gotcha
[02:17] <blakamin> brb... gotta rebbot and kill gnome-shell
[02:18] <len> What about WINE under the 64-bit version?
[02:18] <rww> len: works fine
[02:18] <arand> joshua__: similar to last message of: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31901785/Screenshot-2ubuntu%20%5BRunning%5D%20-%20VirtualBox%20OSE-1.png ??
[02:19] <joshua__> arand, no...
[02:19] <joshua__> it says something about the bios being unknown or unsupported, now aborting please report
[02:20] <joshua__> or something liek that
[02:21] <hoonteke> anyone know why the beta bittorrent is "not authorized to use this tracker?"
[02:21] <arand> joshua__: hmm, well I've never seen that one before, you could look around launchpad for a bit if you're after info.
[02:21] <murielgodoi1> I got the same problem, murielgodoi1: the Ubuntu tracker isn't set up properly. Leave your client alone for a few minutes, see if it finds some peers over DHT, if not download from the web instead.
[02:22] <blayde> so it's great that the karmic beta is released! but...
[02:22] <murielgodoi1> hoonteke: or download from web http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[02:22] <blayde> i'm thinking someone forgot to put it on the torrent server
[02:23] <blayde> especially the i386 and amd64 desktop isos
[02:23] <hoonteke> murielgodoi1: yeah, I can download, but I'd like to know why it's not authorized
[02:23] <rww> blayde: correct
[02:23] <blayde> ya hoonteke that's my problem - they aren't there
[02:23] <hoonteke> oh .. . blayde ... got it, that makes sense
[02:23] <rww> hoonteke: because someone forgot to add it to the torrent server
[02:23] <hoonteke> is there someone in this room who could do that?
[02:24] <murielgodoi1> +1  test34: someone should say it in the topic
[02:25] <hoonteke> blayde: hmm, seems to me that's a misleading error.  If the file is straight up not there, wouldn't that be a "seed file doesn't exist" or something like that?
[02:25] <joshua__> from what i can see it is an issue with grub2
[02:25] <rww> hoonteke: no
[02:26] <rww> I'll go pester the channel ops about adding it to the topic, one sec.
[02:26] <hoonteke> rww, thanks
[02:26] <blayde> rww: thank you
[02:26] <joshua__> but it only seems to effect acers...
[02:27] <blayde> hoonteke: ya it isn't the most descriptive error but i did look on the server and they aren't there
[02:28] <blayde> hoonteke: some weird armel dove stuff is there instead
[02:28] <murielgodoi1> !topic
[02:28] <hoonteke> blayde: erm, not there?  mayhaps I don't understand ... http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ shows links to them ...?
[02:28] <blayde> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/karmic/desktop/
[02:28] <hoonteke> ah, wrong link.  got it, thanks
[02:29] <blayde> compare to http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/jaunty/desktop/
[02:29] <hoonteke> sho' nuff.  Thanks blayde.
[02:29] <hoonteke> good detective work.  I wouldn't have thought to go there.
[02:29] <blayde> :)  np
[02:30] <blayde> i just want to start messing with it and seeding
[02:30] <hoonteke> :-) right there with you
[02:32] <hoonteke> alright, back to towrk for me
[02:33] <hoonteke> cheers, and thanks.
[02:38] <zsquareplusc> hm. with VirtualBox, the cd boots to such a small screen (800x600). is there something that can be done that larger resolutions are supported?
[02:40] <arand> zsquareplusc: I don't know except for installing virtualbox-ose-guest-utils.
[02:41] <zsquareplusc> but does that work well on the live cd? :/
[02:41] <arand> zsquareplusc: unfortunately, no :)
[02:41] <zsquareplusc> oh well..
[02:42] <arand> s/ :) / :( / (didn't mean to be sadistic there...
[02:42] <joshua__> how come my external HD disappears then comes back on occasion... it seems random
[02:42] <zsquareplusc> and the bootable USB stick does not seem to work on the eeepc 700
[02:44] <zsquareplusc> oh now it shows the animation. but it looked like frozen at the white on black ubuntu logo at first
[02:45] <arand> zsquareplusc: yea, when I tested unr a while ago it took quite a while as well (or maybe it just refused to bot at all in the end)...
[02:46] <zsquareplusc> i have a desktop now, but it took long.  in virtual box it booted in just seconds
[02:46] <zsquareplusc> i'm not sure if UNR would work. it does not have an atom in mine
[02:47]  * zsquareplusc does not like to slow fading-in of the menus - gives the impression of slowness
[02:48] <joshua__> I like the software center so far...
[02:53] <zsquareplusc> ubuntu one works with a launchpad account? but what if $USER!=launchpad ID
[02:53] <blakamin> use either
[02:54] <rww> zsquareplusc: I'm not sure what you mean, but my computer username doesn't equal my launchpad ID, and I didn't have problems with it
[02:54] <blakamin> sorry, you can tell one what account to use
[02:55] <zsquareplusc> i can? the webpage it opened just had a big form that allows entering a password but no username
[02:55] <zsquareplusc> ah.. forget it, i see now
[03:01] <nick125> Just curious....is usplash still going to be used in say...server installations where having X installed isn't a good idea?
[03:02] <zsquareplusc> ok, entering the password has worked it displayed my nickname. it now shows a page when i can choose "sign in", "Not now". when i press "sign in" the same page is just loaded gain :/
[03:03] <blakamin> nick125, why would you want usplash if you're not running x?
[03:04] <nick125> blakamin: Good point.
[03:04] <blakamin> lol
[03:10] <zsquareplusc> ok, login into one in the web browser now succeeded but the client still does not connect, but how should he know who i am anyway?
[03:12] <blakamin> are you allowing it keyring access?
[03:12] <nick125> Hmm....with Grub2, how do you limit the number of kernel entries in the grub menu?
[03:13] <blakamin> zsquareplusc: I *think* it takes the cookies from your browser, but dont quote me on that... been weeks since I installed it and have turned it off due to it bugging me on each boot to unlock keyring
[03:14] <zsquareplusc> according to the docs i need to "add this computer" but i don't see that on the web page. but i'm trying it on the live cd in a virtual box :/
[03:15] <blakamin> that might be the reason, it's not going to save any info on a live session
[03:16] <coaxmt> so, is the sound preferences different in karmic? It seems to be a new interface, and no longer has the ability to select ALSA, pulse, etc. I don't know if thats karmic, or just something weird on my system (this installation was an upgrade, since I don't feel like doing a clean one till the release)
[03:17] <ChogyDan> anyone using bootchart?  its results look borked
 it's a real pain if you cant get sound in games!!!
 thats because it keeps running until all your apps from last session are loaded unlike before when it stopped at the start of x (or login or whatever)
[03:20] <test34> my fresh beta install seem to work alot better
[03:21] <test34> then my updated alpha
[03:22] <test34> dmesg
[03:22] <test34> oop
[03:22] <coaxmt> mine is upgraded from an already kinda broken 9.04 =P. I have a working jaunty install on my laptop though, I use thing computer mostly to game on windows anyway.
[03:23] <blakamin> i'll be waiting for the RC before a fresh install
[03:23] <ripps> my perl-modules package was corrupted, did anybody else get this during upgrade?
[03:23] <throughn1thing> Hey all, im trying to making a bootable install USB stick for karmic beta, I have a 2gb usb stick that i put 1 big vfat partition on and I have run syslinux on that partition.  I am reading this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick and I cannot determine if i need to rename the isolinux directory to syslinux, or leave it as isolinux...does anyone know (this directory as well as all other content
[03:23] <coaxmt> me to
[03:24] <coaxmt> me too*. For the fresh install
[03:25] <housetier> when updating the package list I get this error message: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2985/wastun.png  has the key changed for de.archive.ubuntu.com? I have been using this mirror for a long time now, never saw this message before
[03:25] <test34> blakamin, what did you recommend earlier for flash64bit? I lost the log
[03:26] <blakamin> the one from adobe, not the repo... there's a beta... I've rebooted 3 times since then and I cant remember either... lol, sorry
[03:27] <blakamin> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[03:28] <test34> it looks like the same version is in the repository
[03:29] <blakamin> they might have updated the repo... kewl!
[03:29] <test34> ah good, I thought there was another reason not to do it
[03:29] <throughn1thing> has anyone installed karmic from a USB stick?
[03:30] <mercutio22> uh oh, I might have to...
[03:30] <blakamin> I had so many dramas with flash and debs on 64, I went back to i386 fresh install with alpha6 , (separate home partition)
[03:31] <test34> blakamin, yeah that is one of the reasons I was back on i386.. but I'm giving it another try
[03:31] <mercutio22> I just upgraded in my netbook, did a partial upgrade, now the the boot stops at a blank screen. How can I access recovery mode? I mean, I barely see the grub because it goes so fast
[03:31] <coaxmt> I tend to use the 32 bit version of flash that is installed with flashplugin-installed. The 64 bit version kept crashing, when I used it, and the 32 bit worked
[03:31] <blakamin> test34, good luck!
[03:31] <test34> it seems to work fine so far
[03:31] <test34> youtube at least
[03:32] <coaxmt> maybe there is a newer version. Did you say beta? it was alpha when I used it
[03:32] <test34> nevermind, I guess I can't adjust the sound volume
[03:32] <blakamin> yeah, mine always did until I found a random deb somewhere i wanted to install... *grrr
[03:32] <housetier> I have had good experience with the 64bit flash from adobe
[03:33] <xnok> Anyone have issues with the nvidia driver package 185 on karmic?
[03:33] <dtchen> xnok: more specifically?
[03:33] <nemo> hm. yep. all my totem visuals aren't playing
[03:33] <test34> xnok, not so far
[03:33] <nemo> apart from that little speck of colour at top of screen
[03:33] <housetier> xnok I don't have more or less issues than with 190
[03:34] <wastrel> hay duds
[03:34] <xnok> I can't get the keyboard and mouse to work -- no echo on the terminal, but it seems to interpret the commands.
[03:35] <nemo> maybe if I switch to totem-xine...
[03:35] <blakamin> I'm running 185 and it's using all my settings from jaunty without even installing compiz fusion manager... lol
[03:36] <test34> housetier, 190 download from nvidia ?
[03:36] <nemo> anything waved over the black area fails to repaint, which I guess is 'cause it thinks stuff is being drawn there
[03:36] <xnok> I did do a dist-upgrade as opposed to a clean install from a fully functional jaunty,
[03:36] <housetier> test34, no from some ppa
[03:36] <durt> hey folks, anyone know if apt-get does _not_ get you to latest karmic? do you ever have to re-install or use update-manager to upgrade from alpha to alpha or alpha to beta during the devel cycle?
[03:37] <housetier> test34, https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[03:37] <dtchen> durt: apt-get does. no need to reinstall.
[03:37] <test34> thanks housetier
[03:37] <ChogyDan> durt: make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed
[03:37] <xnok> I will checkout 190 to see if it has my hardware  -- as well as the launchpad link. Thanks.
[03:37] <durt> dtchen, do you have any link to policy or blueprint?
[03:38] <housetier> so you guys don't know anything about key/signature changes on de.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:38] <dtchen> durt: for dist-upgrading? no, unless you're referring to something specific to update-manager
[03:40] <durt> dtchen, my understanding is that dist-upgrade won't install new software hence the need for update-manager, do the devs ever need to use UM during the dev cycel?
[03:40] <durt> cycle*
[03:40] <dtchen> durt: i use apt-get all the time
[03:41] <durt> dtchen, me too, but I'm looking for policy...
[03:41] <webbb82> i just installed karmic and whn i went to download and install droopbox the installer fails and says bad descriptor
[03:41] <dtchen> durt: well, the recommended method is update-manager, yes.
[03:41] <maco> durt: the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade WILL install new packages and remove obsolete ones
[03:41] <webbb82> how do i install from the terminal
[03:41] <maco> durt: update-manger, however, has extra "hints" on how to handle interesting combinations of software
[03:42] <maco> also, "do-release-upgrade" uses those hints just like update-manager does for new version releases
[03:42] <durt> maco, understood, is there a policy/blueprint for its use during the devel cycle, during alpha/beta?
[03:43] <dtchen> durt: no, there is no policy or blueprint for that use
[03:43] <blakamin> webbb82:  It's a bug being fixed  in terminal "sudo dpkg -i <deb name here>"
[03:43] <webbb82> blakamin, thanks
[03:43] <blakamin> no worries
[03:43] <durt> dtchen, meaning it's not used or it can be if the devs wish?
[03:44] <dtchen> durt: it can be used
[03:44] <webbb82> blakamin, does it have to be the exact name as in nautilus-dropbox_0.6.1_i386_ubuntu_9.04.deb
[03:44] <blakamin> yup... where did you save it?
[03:45] <webbb82> home
[03:45] <durt> dtchen, is there a communication method in place to tell testers to use UM not apt-get dist-upgade if the need arises?
[03:45] <blakamin> cd /home/<username>/
[03:45] <blakamin> then
[03:45] <blakamin> sudo dpkg -i nautilus-dropbox_0.6.1_i386_ubuntu_9.04.deb
[03:46] <blakamin> or cd ~/
[03:47] <webbb82> its under downloads sorry
[03:47] <idyle> Hi! I'm on karmic and I want to go to the beta -- is this seamless? Just apt-get upgrade?
[03:48] <blakamin> cd ~/Downloads
[03:48] <blakamin> dont forget capital "D"
[03:48] <blakamin> idyle: when did you last update?
[03:48] <idyle> blakamin: today
[03:48] <webbb82> thats what i did wrong
[03:48] <blakamin> you have it then
[03:49] <webbb82> why the ~
[03:49] <idyle> blakamin: woo thanks!
[03:49] <cdm10> is it just me, or does the beta torrent not run?
[03:49] <idyle> webbb82: ~ = /home/you
[03:49] <blakamin> webbb82: tells it to start at /home/<username>/
[03:49] <webbb82> ok
[03:49] <blakamin> yup
[03:50] <blakamin> cdm10: beta torrent having probs... get from net at http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/karmic/
[03:50] <ripps> !beta
[03:50] <cdm10> blakamin: k, I'll be sure to seed later
[03:51] <webbb82> is there a good web site with all the good commands like apt-gets and such
[03:51] <rww> !terminal
[03:51] <blakamin> yup... give me a second
[03:51] <blakamin> ^^^^ that one :D
[03:51] <cdm10> blakamin: MIT media lab seems to have it, can I download from there? It's closer.
[03:52] <rww> cdm10: yes, any mirror can be used
[03:52] <alokito> I installed gdm and the restart and shutdown options are gone from kubuntu desktop
[03:52] <alokito> how to fix this?
[03:52] <cdm10> rww: just making sure there wasn't some problem with synced-up-ness.
[03:52] <cdm10> ...er, synchronization.
[03:52] <blakamin> yeah... just that utah was really quick earlier +10mbit
[03:52] <blakamin> people getting 1mb per sec
[03:52] <cdm10> i'm saturating 20mbit on media lab
[03:53] <blakamin> kewl!
[03:53] <cdm10> has anyone looked at somehow having ubuntu updates use non-default servers?
[03:53] <cdm10> i mean, we have all these mirrors, but systems still pull down updates from the same swamped servers by default
[03:54] <cdm10> it seems like there should be a better way to do it...
[03:54] <blakamin> you can change your sources, but this normally only happens during beta, RC and final releases
[03:54] <cdm10> well, i'm thinking of final releases
[03:55] <cdm10> i mean, a power user has no problem figuring out the problem and picking a mirror
[03:55] <cdm10> but final releases tend to be things that everyone downloads, and they're slow for EVERYBODY>
[03:55] <blakamin> you could get them from NZ sources if you want... decent connection and bugger all people get it here because it's the middle of the next night when it's released ;P
[03:56] <housetier> only de.archive.ubuntu.com seems to yield that error message (well I only tried de.archive.u.c and archive.u.c)
[03:57] <cdm10> I'm not saying that I have a problem getting releases, just that it might benefit less computer-literate users to have some sort of automatic mirror selection
[03:57] <blakamin> alokito: not sure about kubuntu, but you can add it on the panel by right click & choose Add to Panel :"shut down" button.
[03:57] <blakamin> in gnome
[03:57] <alokito> blakamin, nope its fine in gnome
[03:58] <blakamin> hmmm
[03:58] <alokito> gdm1 didn't have this problem in kde
[03:58] <blakamin> cdm10, true, it would be nice if it auto-switched mirrors
[03:59] <blakamin> brb, ciggie time
[04:06] <DanaG> handy hint: colleges and such often have big, fat pipes.  =þ
[04:13] <micahg> can I upgrade to karmic from a mirror?
[04:14] <micahg> and can I cancel an upgrade while it's downloading?
[04:14] <blakamin> if you cancel before it starts installing
[04:14] <micahg> ok
[04:14] <micahg> what about my first question?
[04:15] <blakamin> yup
[04:15] <micahg> ok
[04:15] <test34> 1st: yes
[04:15] <micahg> thanks
[04:15] <micahg> that'll speed things up :)
[04:15] <test34> depends which mirror you are using
[04:16] <blakamin> what was that one before, test34?
[04:16] <test34> utah.. now it might become slowe
[04:16] <test34> slower
[04:17] <blakamin> true, now that we told people! ;D
[04:17] <test34> yep
[04:19] <micahg1> that's better from 50k/s to 400k/s
[04:28] <meme> no me quiere iniciar el modo grafico en la beta
[04:28] <meme> :s
[04:31] <meme> i have the karmic beta, and the x don´t start, only text mode. sorry about my english :S
[04:32] <pablo__> ok
[04:33] <pablo__> the last question.... I like to start ubuntu with compiz ... but i have to starting from compiz fusion icon because compiz didn't start by default... how can configure that?
[04:35] <jbroome> are the two desktop torrents throwing a ""Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."]" error to others?
[04:46] <meme> come on threres no one to help here
[04:47] <akio> ?
[04:47] <cdm10> has anyone had problems with Karmic refusing to reboot from the livecd?
[04:48] <blakamin> meme, people will only help if they know the answer... if they don't, they stay quiet...
[04:48] <akio> meme, what do you need help with?
[04:48] <cdm10> or rather, after an install from the livecd
[04:48]  * blakamin is quiet
[04:48] <om26er> can any1 plz confirm this if all the sounds are disabled then pressing backspace in the terminal gives a bip sound does any1 get it
[04:49] <cdm10> i'm testing it in a VirtualBox machine, so I'm not sure if it has to do with that or not... don't particularly feel like running the installer on any of my real machines :)
[04:49] <om26er> cdm10: i have it
[04:49] <akio> om26er, rephrase your question
[04:49] <om26er> akio: disable all sounds and then press backspace in the terminal is there a bip sound or not
[04:49] <mozicodo> akio: I think he's talking about the PC speaker beep. I'm not getting it.
[04:50] <om26er> even after disabling all i am getting that annoying sound
[04:50] <akio> disable sounds in system>preferences>sound?
[04:50] <om26er> akio: yes
[04:50] <akio> sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[04:51] <cdm10> rrrgh. does anyone here use an alternate keyboard layout?
[04:51] <om26er> akio: will i get audio playback
[04:51] <akio> and then add "blacklist pcspkr" to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:52] <akio> the pcspkr module is all that is making that sound
[04:52] <meme> akio i install some updates and i restart and nothig happen
[04:52] <akio> you can play all sorts of music
[04:52] <om26er> akio: thank you
[04:52] <akio> meme, what are you talking about?
[04:53] <meme> sorry for my english im from el salvador
[04:55] <meme> i update karmic and restart my computer but the gui dont start only text mode
[04:55] <akio> no problem
[04:55] <akio> How are you chatting in irc?
[04:55] <mx> me ? fine
[04:55] <mx> just wanted to give my opinions about karmic
[04:56] <meme> its other computer
[04:56] <blakamin> mx, akio was talking to meme
[04:58] <cdm10> anyone have any thoughts about the Karmic background?
[04:58] <blakamin> lol... no comment
[04:58] <cdm10> blakamin: that to me?
[04:58] <mx> background ? who cares ? i use blank one
[04:58] <blakamin> it's not *that* bad
[04:59] <blakamin> cdm10, yup
[04:59] <cdm10> i mean, i know i can change anything to whatever i want
[04:59] <cdm10> but I also want it to look nice so that people don't go "wtf" when they try it out.
[04:59] <cdm10> and somehow, every theme update they've done for this release is just... bleh.
[05:00] <nhasian> cdm10, i dunno, i like the brown theme.  but I admit it would be nice to have a couple different default themes to choose from.
[05:00] <mx> by the way : hello everyone
[05:00] <blakamin> I think there has definitely been nicer wallpapers in the past, but we haven't reached final yet
[05:00] <blakamin> hi mx
[05:00] <cdm10> hasn't it been artwork freeze?
[05:01] <blakamin> there is still some ongoing drama about it so the freeze might be temporary
[05:01] <cdm10> nhasian: the background is for some reason very orange, while the theme has gone very gray.
[05:01] <akio> meme, I would do another "sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude -y safe-upgrade;sudo aptitude -y reinstall gnome-desktop-environment gdm - but that is overkill
[05:02] <blakamin> I said if the wallpaper had some moths around it, it would remind me to turn off the porch light at night
[05:02] <meme> akio ok i try thanks
[05:02] <cdm10> meme: i mean... you're running a prerelease... stuff breaks. If you're using it on your production system, I hope you know how to get your files off and reinstall if need be.
[05:03] <akio> its all about learning how to fix things that break
[05:03] <nhasian> cdm10, well i guess half the fun of using linux is creating your own unique desktop theme.  wallpapers, screenlets, docks, etc
[05:03] <cdm10> nhasian: not for grandmas and the like
[05:03] <meme> dont worry i know how i install in a different partition
[05:04] <cdm10> akio: that's true -- but personally, I'm going to run a clean install when it's out.
[05:04] <akio> That may be easier but I know the parts that break.
[05:05] <mx> about pulseaudio and devicekit : nobody has any problem with them ?
[05:06] <akio> I'm sure someone has an issue with every package
[05:07] <nhasian> cdm10, well my mom (who is a grandma) changes the wallpaper herself
[05:07] <cdm10> better than the ones I know :)
[05:07] <akio> my mother has been using ubuntu for over 4 years
[05:08] <akio> she always complains about her windows machine
[05:08] <nhasian> akio, holy cow!  she's more l33t than me.
[05:08] <cdm10> I got my family to buy a Mac. No more cdm10-the-tech-support-guy
[05:08] <akio> not really, she says things like "please send him to the email"
[05:09] <nhasian> akio, only 1.5 years for me, and 1 year for my mom.  she's gonna love karmic.  she's been bugging me to be able to do video conferencing with her friends
[05:09] <akio> well good luck because iChat beats it with a stick
[05:09] <mx> pulseaudio makes some pops or clicks on my headphones (when pulseaudio is called ?) ; some sub process of devicekit keeps complaining about my front media module (SD card, MMC, ...) and keeps feeding my logs every seconds, got to kill it once per boot
[05:10] <akio> what log?
[05:10] <mx> /var/log/syslog
[05:10] <akio> that can't be good
[05:10] <mx> kernel	[76404.403887] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Add. Sense: Logical unit not supported
[05:11] <mx> this is the kind of messages that it produces
[05:11] <akio> have you consulted the oracle for at least 10 minutes?
[05:11] <mx> :)
[05:12] <mx> no cause it's proprietary ware
[05:13] <brian> why cant i find xfce in synaptic
[05:14] <akio> because its hiding behind the couch
[05:14] <dtchen> because there is no 'xfce' package
[05:14] <mx> xfce4 ?
[05:14] <akio> yes, the couch
[05:14] <dtchen> or xubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <akio> aptitude search desktop
[05:15] <akio> ask it nicely and it will come out from behind the couch
[05:15] <brian> i want to i nstall xfce would that be xubuntu desktop
[05:15] <akio> yep
[05:15] <akio> you will then have to switch your session in GDM
[05:16] <mx> nobody use KDE here ?
[05:17] <brian> willl xubutnu desktop install the new version of xfce
[05:17] <mx> i hope for you
[05:17] <akio> it will install the version that you install?
[05:17] <om26er> brian: yes
[05:17] <akio> the one that is available?
[05:18] <akio> from what i can tell there is no xfce-desktop
[05:18] <pushrax> hi all.   Is anyone else got problems with video codecs not displaying video images?
[05:18] <akio> only xfce
[05:19] <akio> i mean xfce4
[05:19] <om26er> pushrax: i don't
[05:19] <pushrax> hmmm
[05:19] <akio> xfce4 in the repos is version 4.6.1.1
[05:19] <mx> pushrax: what software do you use
[05:20] <pushrax> I think it's got something to do with ffmpeg
[05:20] <om26er> pushrax: have you install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:20] <pushrax> mx: dragon player most, but also in kaffine and vlc
[05:21] <om26er> pushrax: then your video file is corrupted or if u downloaded a torrents its fake
[05:21] <pushrax> only onyl can play mpeg from hdtv recording.   all other videos like divx,avi etc only play sound and I've tried both ffmpeg sets, both ubuntut build and unstripped
[05:21] <mx> tried mplayer ?
[05:22] <pushrax> narr its the codec. all video files wont play
[05:22] <pushrax> testing now...
[05:22] <om26er> pushrax: also try totem
[05:22] <mx> libavcodec52 ?
[05:23] <pushrax> om26er: I get video in broser too so totem works there...
[05:23] <mx> maybe mplayer on the command line would give you some error messages
[05:24] <offwithx11> anyone know how to stop x11 from starting automatically in ubuntu 9.10?
[05:24] <mx> runlevel 3
[05:24] <offwithx11> mx: is that the command?
[05:24] <mx> no it's not
[05:25] <mx> linux changed quite a lot since 1996 when I started linux for the first time :)
[05:25] <offwithx11> mx: is there a file to edit somewhere where i can change the 1 to 0?
[05:25] <om26er> offwithx11: you are funny
[05:25] <mx> udpate-rc -f (kdm or gdm) remove
[05:25] <offwithx11> om26er: :)
[05:26] <mx> update-rc.d
[05:26] <offwithx11> mx: i don't want to remove it, just stop from starting
[05:26] <offwithx11> mx: /etc/update-rc.d file?
[05:26] <mx> it won't remove kdm or gdm, it will just prevent it from starting on boot
[05:26] <mx> /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
[05:27] <offwithx11> mx: and if i have fluxbox, do i add that too? (don't know if fluxbox uses xdm)
[05:27] <akio> i use sysv-rc-conf
[05:27] <pushrax> mplayer works from command line but wont play if I use the KDE4 method
[05:27] <mx> there may be some more ellegant way to do it
[05:27] <akio> ^^
[05:27] <mx> i dunno if you can start fluxbox just by typing startfluxbox
[05:27] <om26er> pushrax: how about UBUNTU not K
[05:27] <offwithx11> mx: i was wanting to edit a file so i could backup the file and replace it at any time; esp since karmic is unstable
[05:28] <mx> I haven't used fluxbox since a long time
[05:28] <pushrax> om26er: tried both and both don't work.
[05:28] <wastrel> protractors
[05:28] <mx> brb
[05:29] <pushrax> can I paste a small console readout?
[05:29] <om26er> pushrax: what is the type of file?
[05:29] <pushrax> [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:29] <pushrax> open: No such file or directory
[05:29] <pushrax> [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid
[05:29] <pushrax> [VO_TDFXFB] Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory.
[05:29] <pushrax> [VO_3DFX] Unable to open /dev/3dfx.
[05:29] <akio> pushrax, no, you will be kicked
[05:29] <pushrax> Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:29] <offwithx11> anyone: what about editing the /etc/default-display-manager file?
[05:29] <pushrax> [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1
[05:29] <pushrax> thats the error from mplayer but it still playered the file ok from the command line
[05:29] <akio> use pastebin
[05:29] <pushrax> what's pastebin?
[05:30] <offwithx11> !pastebin | pushrax
[05:30] <om26er> pushrax: u paste bug texts there
[05:30] <pushrax> k
[05:30] <om26er> pushrax: then give its link here
[05:30] <pushrax> k
[05:31] <offwithx11> om26er: you know anything about that file above?
[05:31] <pushrax> http://paste.ubuntu.com/283495/
[05:31] <om26er> offwithx11: not at all
[05:32] <om26er> pushrax: what is the size of the video file? can u see its thumbnail
[05:32] <akio> sounds like an nvidia issue
[05:32] <pushrax> om26er: thy're too big for thumbs, and I usually only have in list mode
[05:32] <om26er> pushrax: have you updated yesterday
[05:33] <pushrax> I removed the nvidia drivers and 3dfx, etc.  I have a radeon x3870hd
[05:33] <pushrax> got fglrx drivers running
[05:34] <pushrax> so it's strange that it's relyign on drivers I dont need.  if these errors are even related to not seeing imagry for videos
[05:34] <om26er> pushrax: have you tried jaunty(9.04)
[05:34] <pushrax> om26er: yep totally update.
[05:34] <pushrax> om26er: narr not want to use karmic
[05:35] <om26er> pushrax: ok
[05:36] <om26er> pushrax: there is a command which tells that if u have the codecs required to play the file and i don't remember it
[05:36] <om26er> any1 here knows that command???
[05:37] <akio> yeah, its called mplayer
[05:37] <om26er> pushrax: your video files are 720p or 1080p or less?
[05:37] <akio> pushrax, are you using karmic?
[05:37] <pushrax> om26er: I have ffmpeg installed so it should play something.  Also this is onyl a recent problems, like for the last week or so.  I haven't worried about it too much as I though a patch would correct it
[05:38] <pushrax> akio: yep karmic with all patches.  using dist-update
[05:38] <om26er> pushrax: have you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:38] <DKcross> akgraner,
[05:38] <om26er> pushrax: if not try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:39] <pushrax> om26er: nope as it wants to install icedtea when I prefer sun java.
[05:39] <pushrax> om26er: noting I have allt he essentials installed though
[05:39] <nhasian> wait doesnt ubuntu-restricted-extras install sun's java?  I remember having to agree to the license agreement.
[05:40] <om26er> pushrax: install ubuntu-restricted-extras and your files will play
[05:41] <pushrax> >> [ 1624.992888] dragon[4152]: segfault at 90 ip 00007fdfaabefc89 sp 00007fdf9f623ee0 error 6 in xineplug_decode_ff.so[7fdfaabea000+a000]
[05:42] <mx> i don't have ubuntu-restricted-extras and i play every file i want :)
[05:42] <om26er> pushrax: now i suggest download beta and install again?
[05:43] <om26er> pushrax: my segmentation fault with empathy never gone until i reinstalled
[05:43] <pushrax> om26er: yeah I thought that maybe the solution but wanted to ask here if it was a common problems, which it seems not to be
[05:43] <om26er> pushrax: wait
[05:45] <om26er> pushrax: can you try this sudo apt-get remove libindicate*
[05:45] <kuttans> what is the meaning of the message org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"
[05:45] <pushrax> yep
[05:47] <om26er> pushrax: what does it say
[05:47] <om26er> pushrax: libindicate was causing segmentation fault in empathy
[05:48] <akio> I use gnumeric at work and it was segfaulting for the longest time
[05:48] <akio> fixed now
[05:48] <pushrax> it wants to remove those and pigeon
[05:48] <mx> kuttans: what is the problem ?
[05:49] <om26er> pushrax: not do that and have you installed pidgin yourself?
[05:50] <kuttans> when i tried to open kmail from the command line it was saying  "<unknown program name>(5443)/: Communication problem with  "kmail" , it probably crashed. Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)"
[05:50] <om26er> akio: can you tell me a bit about gnumeric. i hate openoffice cuz i dont need it but how is gnumeric will it open .xml files?
[05:50] <kuttans> and the syslog showing a segfault
[05:50] <kuttans> and one problem in kernal logs too
[05:50] <mx> what version of kmail ?
[05:51] <kuttans> the latest one
[05:51] <kuttans> 4.3 i guess
[05:52] <kuttans> 1.12.1 is the version of kmail mx
[05:56] <mx> kuttans: got the same error
[05:56] <pushrax> om26er: yep I installed pidgin myself.  I did that command you said but tit's had no effect on playing movies.  I am now putting back in those items that were removed in the command
[05:56] <kuttans> mx: is there any solution for that
[05:57] <om26er> pushrax: you really need a new installation
[05:58] <pushrax> om26er: ok thanks for help.  I may wait for next kernel or fglrx drivers to see if that fixes.
[05:58] <pushrax> cheers.
[06:02] <hifi> mm, should I upgrade my work desktop to karmic beta or not
[06:03] <hifi> it should be fun!
[06:04] <mx> kuttans: does kmail crashes ?
[06:04] <mx> kuttans: mine doesn't
[06:04] <kuttans> mx: mine is not opening at all, now i lost all my mails, there were around more than 500 mails
[06:05] <kuttans> mx: and now there is no help available anywhere in kubuntu, or ubuntu or ubuntu 1
[06:05] <kuttans> and now im not even able to transfer my mails to thunderbird as the mail box format is different from kmail and thunderbird
[06:06] <kuttans> and no one is there to help with this............ and i feel that is really bad
[06:07] <mx> kuttans: what do you have in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/    ?
[06:10] <mx> kuttans: there are some converters between different mail formats
[06:11] <aprilhare> hey
[06:11] <aprilhare> "VirtualBox can't operate in VMX root mode. Please disable the KVM kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot (VERR_VMX_IN_VMX_ROOT_MODE)."
[06:12] <aprilhare> i don't know what the deal with this kernel is but it apparently broke support for my webcam too
[06:13] <eagles0513875> ouchie aprilhare
[06:13] <kuttans>  mx: im having a file named last search in that folder
[06:13] <eagles0513875> !kvm | aprilhare
[06:14] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: seems like you have a conflicting virtualization kernel
[06:14] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: yes. i was using 2.6.30 kernel under jaunty too so it apparently is just karmic
[06:14] <eagles0513875> give me a min to update my repos and i will install vbox as well and see if i have that issue with 31-11 kernel
[06:14] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: ok no worries
[06:15] <eagles0513875> that in all honesty is strange i have gotten vbox to work with the 2.6.30
[06:16] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: as did I under jaunty.
[06:16] <eagles0513875> what version of vbox do you have installed
[06:17] <eagles0513875> what the flip
[06:17] <eagles0513875> !info vbox
[06:17] <virtuald> rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm
[06:17] <eagles0513875> !info vbox3
[06:17] <aprilhare> !info virtualbox
[06:17] <aprilhare> hmmm
[06:17] <aprilhare> guess the package name
[06:17] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: i agree with what virtuald said rmmod kvm_intell kvm_amd and kvm modules
[06:17] <mx> kuttans: tar -zcvf ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search.tar.gz ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/
[06:18] <aprilhare> !virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <aprilhare> !info virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <eagles0513875> !info virtualbox-ose
[06:18] <arejc> hi all. has anyone been able to install jaunty from an external usb cdrom drive? mine boots initrd but then fails to find the cdrom
[06:18] <mx> kuttans: then rm -fvr ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/search/
[06:19] <eagles0513875> arejc: please go to either ubuntu or kubuntu channels this channel is for 9.10 support
[06:19] <mx> kuttans: tar makes a backup copy of the folder before removing it with the rm command
[06:20] <mx> there may be some bugs in Qt used by Kmai
[06:20] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: let me know if rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm does the trick for you. it removes the modules from kvm for you
[06:20] <arejc> eagles0513875, sorry wrong name, im actually using ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[06:20] <kuttans> mx: what about the other folder in the kmail. i heard that kmail uses mbox format and thunderbird uses mailbox format
[06:20] <eagles0513875> arejc: ahh then you have come to the right place. i know it works in previous versions but havent tried with karmic
[06:20] <eagles0513875> !usb | arejc
[06:21] <mx> kuttans: isn't it the contrary ? kmail uses maildir and thunderbird uses mbox ?
[06:21] <eagles0513875> arejc: the first link you would like to take a look at at getting one setup as a bootable usb :)
[06:21] <arejc> eagles0513875, not a flash drive, but a cd rom. it worked fine in 9.04
[06:22] <eagles0513875> ahhh arejc apologies read that wrong
[06:22]  * eagles0513875 goes to get some coffee
[06:22] <kuttans> mx: yeah im sorry its the contrary
[06:22] <mx> kuttans: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/429039
[06:22] <arejc> eagles0513875, no worries
[06:22] <mx> ubottu: yeah that's what i also found
[06:23] <eagles0513875> hes just telling u what the bug is about mx
[06:24] <kuttans> mx: wow man it just worked
[06:24] <mx> seems like a Qt bug, they released a new version today so perhaps it'll be corrected with the new release
[06:25] <kuttans> mx: i just deleted the search thing an dit worked
[06:25] <mx> now backup all your mails
[06:25] <kuttans> mx: by the way mx why there are very less upgrades and dist-upgrades recently in karmic
[06:26] <BaD_CrC> epiphany-webkit :D
[06:26] <BaD_CrC> wrong window :)
[06:26] <mx> kuttans: freezing stage
[06:26] <kuttans> oh ok
[06:27] <kuttans> mx: well i think i need to learn a lot in linux, think i have to spend more time with my lappy than on tv
[06:29] <habanany> i burnt the iso image (karmic) , now what?
[06:29] <darthanubis> ppl still watch teevee?
[06:29] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: how do i add em back if necessary?
[06:30] <darthanubis> habanany, follow the instructions on the website
[06:30] <habanany> I burnt the iso image (karmic) what come next?
[06:30] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: modproble will load them and their dependencies back
[06:30] <darthanubis> and don't repeat your question within a minute
[06:30] <habanany> ok
[06:31] <habanany> is it bad luck to repeat question?
[06:31] <darthanubis> it's poor manners
[06:31] <mx> we're not paid
[06:31] <darthanubis> !repeat
[06:31] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: loaded
[06:32] <habanany> ok
[06:32] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: meaning loaded back into the running kernel
[06:32] <DasEi> habanany: boot it, check media for defects
[06:32] <habanany> i just did not see my question coming through
[06:33] <darthanubis> no worries then
[06:33] <aprilhare> eagles0513875: meaning: i ran rmmod kvm_intel kvm_amd kvm ; ran vbox; it works :)
[06:33] <mx> habanany: chek your irc client, you can highlight your comments if it has the feature for
[06:33] <eagles0513875> those modules were taken out of the running kernel that means aprilhare
[06:33] <eagles0513875> aprilhare: would love to stay and chat but i ahve lectures to run 2
[06:33] <aprilhare> off you go
[06:34] <mx> what's the difference between a regular user and a nerd ? the nerd RTFM  :)
[06:34] <habanany> thanks mx
[06:34] <aprilhare> reading manuals makes brain hurt
[06:34] <mx> :)
[06:35] <mx> i knew a blind guy who read almost every man pages a few years ago
[06:37] <DasEi> mx: manual as in using your hands (braille), nor ? heh
[06:37] <mx> DasEi: manuals as : man man
[06:38] <mx> $ man man
[06:38] <DasEi> man manual-auto, k I stop that
[06:38] <aprilhare> you can get playboy magazine in braille, you can get man pages in braille. makes sense
[06:38] <mx> can you watch video in braille ?
[06:38] <DasEi> yes, by using braille-glasses
[06:39] <mx> :)
[06:39] <aprilhare> mx: playboy magazine has articles you know
[06:39] <aprilhare> arthur c clarke published in playboy if memory serves
[06:40] <aprilhare> "Bets between physicists are not unusual. Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne, for instance, had a famous bet about the existence of black holes, with the winner receiving a subscription to the magazine of their choice - Playboy for Thorne and Private Eye for Hawking."
[06:40] <aprilhare> guess who won
[06:40] <mx> and the winner is : Albert Einstein
[06:40] <aprilhare> i wonder what mag old einstein would have plumped for
[06:41] <aprilhare> assuming someone bet him between 1945-1955
[06:42] <aprilhare> this must be great reading for the logs :D
[06:42] <aprilhare> heh
[06:43] <mx> now they're trying to prove the existence inside quarks : chords
[06:45] <mx> and maybe after then we will go to other dimensions, just amazing
[06:45] <mx> just like in Sliders
[06:58] <habanany> hey i guess norton is interfering with karmic
[06:59] <habanany> wwubi does not open
[07:00] <vega-> hm, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing doesn't list "beta"
[07:00] <habanany> norton pyrun exe detected  and removed
[07:00] <habanany> help
[07:02] <hifi> hm, karmic human theme is a little strange
[07:02] <mysticdarkhack> hey all
[07:02] <hifi> the dark active window title bar doesn't seem to fit
[07:03] <mysticdarkhack> anyone notice that in compiz cube effect, mouse scroll button to switch isn't working or deactived?
[07:03] <mysticdarkhack> to switch desk
[07:05] <habanany> i disabled norton and problem resolved
[07:05] <mysticdarkhack> look like karmic server is slow
[07:06] <habanany> i thought guys you like help others
[07:06] <SandGorgon> i have a custom 2.6.31 kernel - pulled from latest git. I'm having trouble running wine+ia32-libs, which is crashing continuously. Do I need to rebuild ia32-libs for a different kernel
[07:07] <habanany> installing karmic (demo) i'm exited
[07:07] <mysticdarkhack> anyway, seem like not to many tech support in here
[07:07] <mysticdarkhack> lol
[07:08] <habanany> i know nothing about linux, but i will lern
[07:09] <mysticdarkhack> ant we all
[07:09] <mysticdarkhack> Been using linux for almst three or sao years now
[07:10] <habanany> today i knew what a repository and a checksum are.
[07:10] <mysticdarkhack> lol, basic is a good start
[07:11] <habanany> have to go , rebooting, see you later, thanks for the encourage mystic
[07:31] <MightyTweek> does anyone know what happened to System>Administration>Services?
[07:45] <ubuntu_> jejejeje
[07:45] <ubuntu_> nice
[07:45] <habanany> i like karmic
[07:49] <cousin_mario> hello
[07:50] <cousin_mario> how do I enable the shutdown/logout buttons in the menu?
[07:59] <HomerSlice> The latest  Ubuntu seems pretty cool, not sure if I'm sticking with empathy though
[07:59] <HomerSlice> As usual I'll give it a chance
[08:00] <HomerSlice> I'm not hot on the the default icon set, trying to change it
[08:00] <spstarr> Is there problems reading CDs/DVDs right now?
[08:00] <spstarr> its totally busted
[08:01] <HomerSlice> also missing some of the great pidgin plugins
[08:02] <draconis> where is the setup for xfce4-volumed, is there a way to change what channel the "volume keys" modify?
[08:02] <draconis> it's rather odd that the volume control on my headset is moving the volume of my (unused) internal sound card
[08:04] <spstarr> any CDs empty I get
[08:04] <spstarr> [60041.222939] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[08:04] <spstarr> [60041.222944] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
[08:04] <spstarr> [
[08:04] <spstarr> and any burnt DVDs it just doesn't mount them
[08:04]  * spstarr tries manually
[08:05] <kruykaze> hi everyone
[08:06] <kruykaze> i just installed karmic and can't setup manual ip
[08:06] <kruykaze> can you help me?
[08:15] <nicolacardinali> kruykaze: try to remove network manager and install wicd, for me is better
[08:15] <MightyTweek> kruykaze, right-click the network icon in the panel, select "edit connections", select your adapter, click edit, select the ipv4 settings tab, change method to manual and fill int he info
[08:22] <kruykaze> nicolacardinali, wicd ? is that in the repos?
[08:29] <HowDoI> When using the Karmic Alpha 6 LiveCD via USB thumb drive, my computer locks up immediately when the Gnome desktop starts to become visible.  I have Intel 82945G integrated graphics, which have been problematic since Jaunty, and I can't find any reports of similar behavior.  Any advice?
[08:54] <Amaranth> HowDoI: try again with the beta
[08:54] <habanany> have a question, is it dinamic static the right one of the download skype?
[08:55] <paolob>  Hi guys! I'm trying to upgrade to karmic, but after showing the disclaimer about the beta, update-manager stops saying "Authentication failed. Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server." What should I do?
[08:55] <HowDoI> Yeah, I figured that would be the response
[08:55] <habanany> I mean for karmic
[08:55] <paolob> The debug information I see in the terminal is "gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>""
[08:56] <hifi> paolob: you might have a broken mirror
[08:56] <hifi> hehe, broken mirror
[08:56] <paolob> hifi, I'm using apt-cacher
[08:59] <amortvigil> hello, i find the beta more unstable than 9.10 alpha 6!
[08:59] <HowDoI> I hope not
[09:00] <HowDoI> Karmic Alpha 6 ran very well on my netbook, which also uses Intel integrated graphics
[09:00] <HowDoI> For some reason most of the components of my computer don't play well with Ubuntu.
[09:00] <amortvigil> HowDoI: when i installed on alpha6 no errors no crashes, beta has crashing programs every now and then
[09:01] <HowDoI> Hmm
[09:01] <amortvigil> HowDoI: do you know the netherlands?
[09:01] <HowDoI> No
[09:02] <amortvigil> ok, you nickname has a meaning in a southren dialect of the dutch language it means bye
[09:02] <amortvigil> lol
[09:02] <amortvigil> actually its houwdoe,
[09:02] <HowDoI> I did not know that
[09:02] <amortvigil> but you wrote it like english ppl pronnounce it
[09:02] <amortvigil> lol
[09:04] <stefg> I just have a testdrive of the netbook remix on my Acer Aspire One. The top panel is completely empty, none of the necessary gadgets is there. I wonder if this is just a sign that karmic is still a building site or if this qualifies as a reportable bug.
[09:05] <HowDoI> I've noticed a lot of things missing or moved around between versions of pre-release
[09:05] <HowDoI> They'll probably fix it
[09:06] <stefg> any other netbook-remix testers? is it the same for you?
[09:07] <HowDoI> I don't use netbook remix, but the regular Gnome version has similar things happen in the Alpha/Beta versions
[09:08] <frandieguez> Hi to all, I'm a member of Ubuntu Galician Translators and I'm testing Ubuntu Karmic beta on galician language (gl_ES) and after 2 weeks solving all the translation errors on alfa6 we can see that the ubiquity-slideshow isn't showed translated yet. What is the procedement for make Ubuntu integrate the translations made on launchpad on the final product release?
[09:08] <HowDoI> File a bug if you want, I guess, I dunno.  But unless something is actually broken or missing when it should be there, they will probably tell you they already know
[09:09] <stefg> frandieguez: i don't hink the slideshow translations are merged yet. On a german install the slideshow is still english, too
[09:10] <frandieguez> stefg, so I you can, I can file a bug that the translatoins isn't merged yet
[09:10] <frandieguez> just for remember the ubuntu-installer team that
[09:11] <stefg> frandieguez: according to the schedule the final merging of translations is done before Oct. 22nd. see the link in /topic
[09:11] <frandieguez> stefg ok thanks!
[09:11] <paolob> trying to update to karmic, I get an error when upgrading xserver-xorg: "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "restart" failed." It seems that hal cannot be restarted. Any hint?
[09:12] <HowDoI> Anybody know just how much the pre-release versions of Ubuntu compare with the final release speed-wise?  Are the pre-release packages non-optimized?
[09:12] <stefg> paolob: http://www.piware.de/2008/05/hal-is-dead-long-live-devicekit/
[09:13] <stefg> paolob: karmic doesn't use hal
[09:13] <iflema> paolob: update from 9.04, earlier or 9.10alph
[09:13] <JMFTheVCI> Just updated with the overnight updated. On reboot I can login. But when xsplash completes all I get is a big blank white screen. Anyone else seen this. A restart of GDM does not make any difference
[09:14] <HowDoI> JMFTheVCI, that sounds like a bug I read about
[09:14] <amortvigil> JMFTheVCI: have you rebooted?
[09:14] <paolob> stefg, iflema, ok, but how do I end my update to karmic? it seems that xserver-xorg still depends on hal
[09:14] <hifi> FYI my karmic beta works fine
[09:14] <iflema> paolob: which one did update from?
[09:15] <paolob> iflema, from 9.04
[09:15] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: I'll try another reboot rather than a gdm restart.
[09:15] <iflema> paolob: did you use backport and proposed repos?
[09:15] <HowDoI> Sometimes things require a hard power-cycle reboot to work again
[09:15] <iflema> paolob: or cd
[09:16] <paolob> iflema, I use backportsù+
[09:16] <paolob> should I remove them?
[09:16] <iflema> ah.....??????
[09:16] <HowDoI> When I had Intrepid on my netbook, sometimes the wireless would stop working until I completely powered it down and started up again
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: I had the wireless thing yesterday on Jaunty.
[09:17] <stefg> paolob: breakage is to be expected. i think you got to boot to recovery and sort things out on the console. this might involve purging xserver-xorg and reinstalling it again
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> HowDoI: Full reboot and all is well.
[09:17] <JMFTheVCI> Odd. Should we report this bug?
[09:18] <HowDoI> If you want, go for it, but I haven't experienced it since Jaunty
[09:18] <amortvigil> JMFTheVCI: told you so :P
[09:20] <paolob> stefg, I rebooted and I'm in recovery mode, but purging and reinstalling xserver-xorg didn't resolve
[09:20] <JMFTheVCI> amortvigil: Thing is I did do a reboot  after the updates. Shouldn't really take a second reboot should it. If newbies don't know about Alt-F1 to fix things they would be a bit miffed.
[09:20] <stefg> paolob: which package causes the trouble ?
[09:21] <paolob> stefg, xserver-xorg
[09:21] <iflema> paolob: firem bothup backport and propsed.. see how ya go. not exacly sure you can go back with ease
[09:21] <HowDoI> To be honest, I've never had an complete Ubuntu upgrade work properly.  I've always wiped everything and reinstalled from scratch
[09:22] <JMFTheVCI>  HowDoI: My upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty worked well. The Jaunty platform has been very stable on my Samsung NC10.
[09:22] <HowDoI> Well Jaunty was the first to support EXT4, so I had to wipe for that
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> Even the upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic alpha 2 on my Thinkpad T61 went well. (Although it was not quite as stable as it is now. It wasn't bad though.)
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> I have not gone EXT4.
[09:23] <JMFTheVCI> I cannot upgrade to ext4 in-place as I don't have a separate boot partition.
[09:23] <HowDoI> I haven't really seen any increase in performance with EXT4, but I'm not running any benchmarks
[09:24] <HowDoI> Jaunty in general was a huge let-down for me
[09:24] <JMFTheVCI> why?
[09:24] <HowDoI> Intel graphics
[09:25] <HowDoI> And because of their 6-month release schedule they only fix serious security problems with the usual updates
[09:25] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, you don't need /boot on a different partition for installing into ext4, I am not sure about upgrading
[09:25] <JMFTheVCI> Not the best of drivers. But my 1024x600 screen (Intel GM954) don't need to do a lot. Compiz is fine.
[09:26] <joaopinto> HowDoI, the the update policy is general, not specific to Jaunty
[09:26] <stefg> JMFTheVCI: it always depends on how many repos you use. If you strictly adhere to the default repos (no -backports no -proposed, no PPA's) then you have e clean upgrade path. But since for one reason or another you usually need backports and PPA you're spoiling the Upgrade and are better off to backup your stuff and reinstall
[09:26] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: everything I have read indicates that /boot should remain ext3. I do have grub2
[09:26] <HowDoI> Yeah, I know.  That's why Jaunty was a huge let-down for me, not Ubuntu in general
[09:26] <JMFTheVCI> I even have grub 2 on Jaunty.
[09:27] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, that is not true
[09:27] <JMFTheVCI> stefg: I have proposed and a select set of PPAs( mostly for my company related stuff - Lotus Notes 8.5 etc)
[09:28] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: OK. do you have some latest doc that indicates the upgrade-in-place instructions? I'll give it a go.
[09:28] <stefg> JMFTheVCI: i didn't say it won't work (esp. if you have no 3rd party repos for low-level stuff like xorg) it's just that you "void the warranty"
[09:28] <joaopinto> I had grub with a single ext4 partition, and now I have grub2 with a single ext4
[09:29] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, the upgrade in place does not introduce the performance benefits of a clean filesystem creation
[09:29] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: So not worth the hassel unless I clean install, yes?
[09:30] <joaopinto> right
[09:35] <joaopinto> I have noticed significant gains on performance when switching to ext4
[09:40] <micahg> when logging into karmic is there a place to turn off the user list?
[09:41] <joaopinto> I remember seeing some notes about gdm missing a configuration interface
[09:41] <HowDoI> You used to be able to do that in Jaunty
[09:41] <Amaranth> micahg: no
[09:41] <Amaranth> The only thing you can configure with the new gdm is autologin
[09:41] <micahg> do I just have to use another window manager then?
[09:41] <HowDoI> Oh wow
[09:42] <joaopinto> micahg, login manager, yes
[09:42] <HowDoI> Why do they keep removing features in Karmic?
[09:42] <HowDoI> If that's the case
[09:42] <Amaranth> HowDoI: It's an upstream change
[09:42] <micahg> does anyone know if xdm has the same issue?
[09:42] <Amaranth> We've been using a very old unmaintained version of gdm for a few releases now
[09:42] <Amaranth> We finally switched to the current upstream one
[09:42] <HowDoI> Why would they remove it upstream?
[09:42] <Amaranth> They rewrote gdm
[09:42] <joaopinto> micahg, is not a generic issue per si, that was changed specifically on gdm, the lack of a configuration
[09:43] <joaopinto> HowDoI, no one removes features just because they do, most of the time it's related to a new version
[09:43] <Amaranth> It also lacks theming abilities
[09:43] <Amaranth> Unless you just want to change the colors
[09:43] <HowDoI> That doesn't sound like an upgrade to me
[09:43] <HowDoI> It sounds unfinished
[09:44] <Amaranth> It's more secure code, it doesn't run the GTK+ bits as root
[09:44] <joaopinto> HowDoI, I am sure there are other benefits that supported this decision
[09:44] <Amaranth> A lot cleaner code too, the theming system was a mess
[09:45] <HowDoI> So how many Ubuntu releases will it take until the end-user sees the level it was back in Jaunty?
[09:45] <joaopinto> despite the fact that the user list browser will be a blocker for some ppl
[09:45] <Amaranth> HowDoI: infinity
[09:45] <HowDoI> Excellent
[09:46] <joaopinto> hum, now that I think on this, it will be an adoption blocker on my job
[09:46] <joaopinto> security concerns
[09:46] <Amaranth> We've removed a bit of configuration from compiz too :P
[09:46] <HowDoI> If the user wants to customize his login screen, he'll hack the source like they used to do back int he good old days
[09:46] <Amaranth> joaopinto: It's a security concern to see the users that login to the machine most often?
[09:46] <micahg> well, xdm isn't as pretty, but there's no user list
[09:47] <joaopinto> Amaranth, yes, it is, on corporate policies it is a serious problem to have usernames listed anywhere, including desktops
[09:47] <micahg> any idea if lubuntu will be merged in soon?
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: I found a way :)
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[09:47] <Amaranth> joaopinto: browse to /apps/gdm-2/simple-greeter
[09:47] <G_A_C> Amaranth: not so much a security issue where I work, but a usability one
[09:48] <Amaranth> s/-2//
[09:48] <G_A_C> our Linux lab had an account for EVERY user with an account
[09:48] <G_A_C> which doesn't go well with a face browser
[09:48] <Amaranth> G_A_C: It only show the most commonly used ones
[09:48] <joaopinto> Amaranth, that should described and linked on the release notes, not having an user list for login is a common configuration
[09:48] <Amaranth> and it has an other option
[09:48] <Amaranth> most common 6 or so, that is
[09:48] <joaopinto> listing users on the login screen is a security issue
[09:48] <micahg> it listed all the users on my system
[09:49] <Amaranth> micahg: and how many users is that?
[09:49] <Amaranth> ooh there is an option to use compiz too
[09:49] <Amaranth> joaopinto: What we need is a simple UI to access all of this
[09:49] <micahg> Amaranth: 7
[09:49] <micahg> notifications for IM is cool
[09:50] <Amaranth> micahg: maybe it was 8 then
[09:50] <Amaranth> it was 6 or 8
[09:50] <kaddi__> anyone else having trouble with sound? mine is coming and going in 5-10minutes intervalls
[09:50] <micahg> does anyone know if the lubuntu package will be added to karmic soon?
[09:51] <joaopinto> Amaranth, as long there is a simple way to achieve, even that it rrequires gconf-editor, it should be fine, as long it doesn't require to change code :P
[09:51] <Amaranth> lubuntu?
[09:51] <micahg> yeah, LXDE
[09:51] <joaopinto> Amaranth, LXDE ithink :P
[09:51] <micahg> I saw something about a lubuntu-desktop package
[09:51] <Amaranth> afaik that stuff is still 3rd party respins
[09:51] <Amaranth> If it isn't there right now it isn't going to be there
[09:51] <micahg> I thought it was sanctioned by the sabdfl
[09:51] <Amaranth> We are in bugfix mode
[09:52] <HowDoI> In what capacity do you work for Ubuntu, Amaranth?
[09:52] <Amaranth> I may not even be able to get a compiz update in :P
[09:52] <Amaranth> HowDoI: I'm not employed by Canonical, if that's what you mean.
[09:52]  * micahg still wants to get Firefox 3.6 in universe
[09:52] <Amaranth> I do compiz packaging though
[09:53] <HowDoI> Haha, is Compiz ever going to make it possible to see minimized windows with the scale plugin?
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> hi
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> I am wondering why kubuntu 9.10 beta sill have old boot splash?
[09:53] <Amaranth> HowDoI: No, probably not
[09:53] <OPTIMUS> anyone?
[09:54] <Amaranth> OPTIMUS: I suppose because no one made a new one?
[09:54] <OPTIMUS> so final version of kubuntu karmic will have old splash?
[09:54] <HowDoI> Also, I forget who was supposed to be working on it, but isn't there going to be a replacement for Emerald?
[09:54] <Amaranth> HowDoI: oops
[09:55] <Amaranth> That was me, over a year ago now
[09:55] <HowDoI> Reallllly?
[09:55] <Amaranth> I got about 100 lines of code in before someone else had a working project that seemed to have potential
[09:55] <Amaranth> Then it turned cracktaskic and they stopped working on it
[09:55] <HowDoI> That's too bad
[09:55] <Amaranth> emerald is cracktastic anyway
[09:55] <Amaranth> any replacement for it would not have all the "features"
[09:55] <HowDoI> Yeah, I tried looking at the source to fix a bug I found
[09:56] <HowDoI> But gave up quickly
[09:56] <Amaranth> But if no replacement is created emerald will die with 0.8.x as it does not work with the C++ rewrite
[09:56] <OPTIMUS> so final version of kubuntu karmic will have old splash?
[09:56] <Oli``> Are we too far along for Amarok 2.2 to be included?
[09:56] <Amaranth> OPTIMUS: *shrug*
[09:56] <Amaranth> Oli``: much
[09:56] <Amaranth> Oli``: about a month late
[09:56] <HowDoI> No more Emerald?
[09:56] <Oli``> Amaranth: shame
[09:57] <Oli``> cadence, cadence, cadence
[09:57] <Amaranth> HowDoI: If there is no replacement for it by 10.10 it'll be removed from the archive
[09:57] <HowDoI> Then somebody needs to replace it!
[09:57] <Amaranth> 10.04 is still going to use 0.8.x so it'll still work, sort of
[09:58] <HowDoI> I only know Fortran, and I know very little of how window managers and all that work anyway
[09:58] <Amaranth> HowDoI: None of the developers care, tbh
[09:58] <Amaranth> We've left the cracktastic days in the past and are trying to make what we have solid
[09:58] <HowDoI> The idea I read about was making the titlebar, buttons, etc, all completely theme-able
[09:58] <HowDoI> Like move it to the side, bottom ,etc
[09:59] <smegzor> Does Karmic have better support (ok ANY support) for ATI cards?  I have an old X300 card which I can only get to work with NVidia drivers (on 9.04).
[09:59] <Oli``> smegzor: you have an x300 working under nvidia drivers?
[09:59] <Amaranth> HowDoI: Right, that was jasper
[09:59] <Amaranth> HowDoI: the cracktastic one that died
[09:59] <smegzor> Oli``: yep
[09:59] <Amaranth> Oli``: That's not possible
[09:59] <Amaranth> err, smegzor
[09:59] <HowDoI> That kind of ruins my night
[10:00] <Oli``> smegzor: an ATI X300? Under nvidia drivers? That's just confusing
[10:00] <HowDoI> I was secretly hoping in the back of my mind that I'd see that some day
[10:00] <Boohbah> s/NVidia/ATI/g    ???
[10:00] <Amaranth> smegzor: If you install nvidia drivers for an ati card it'll probably just use the vesa driver
[10:00] <HowDoI> Now I know that I'll be seeing the same GUI-window paradigm for years to come
[10:00] <kaddi> anyone using KDE here? Could you please check the following: Go to settings, select show notifications, kde notifications and hit "preview". 2 notifications will show up. Press it again. Do the same 2 notifiactions show up or do you get 4 notifications?
[10:00] <smegzor> Well I have a picture.  I don't have accelerated graphics or anything like that.  With the ATI drivers, I don't get a picture.
[10:01] <smegzor> If I remove ATI and Nvidia drivers, I don't get a picture either.  So yeah, I'm running with NVidia drivers installed.  No idea if they are in use or not.
[10:01] <Boohbah> smegzor: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:01] <om26er> backspace in vi don't work correct
[10:02] <smegzor> Boohbah: It looks like I am running with Vesa drivers.  I would upgrade to 9.10 if ATI works there.
[10:03] <smegzor> I had an NVidia card but it cooked itself.
[10:03] <om26er> backspace key in VI text editor don't work
[10:03] <HowDoI> Is there any place for a Fortran programmer in Ubuntu?
[10:04] <smegzor> So.. does ATI work with older cards on 9.10 or is it just as bad as 9.04?
[10:04] <smegzor> I will be going back to NVidia just as soon as I can afford a new card.
[10:05] <HowDoI> smegzor, I plan on buying a $30 NVidia card if (when) Karmic fails to boot with my integrated Intel graphics
[10:05] <om26er> smegzor: the upcoming new kernel might support
[10:05] <om26er> HowDoI: karmic does not fail on intel
[10:05] <smegzor> hmm.. given ATI's track record, I bet it won't :)
[10:06] <HowDoI> Karmic fails on my machine
[10:06] <HowDoI> So did Jaunty
[10:07] <iflema> kde'ens
[10:07] <HowDoI> Well, it messed up until I upgraded the kernel to an unsupported on
[10:07] <HowDoI> e
[10:07] <om26er> any1 know how to use backspace in vim
[10:07] <smegzor> Is it worth upgrading to 9.10 early?  I usually wait until the release candidate.
[10:08] <HowDoI> Wait until AFTER the full release
[10:08] <tomasv> has anyone tried installing karmic with debootstrap? is it even supported?
[10:08] <iflema> om26er: export EDITOR=(insert say joe...)
[10:08] <iflema> =
[10:09] <om26er> iflema: come again
[10:09] <Boohbah> why are some kernel images listed under 'The following packages have been kept back' when running apt-get update?
[10:10] <HowDoI> Howcome kernel upgrades (security updates) don't remove the previous verions?
[10:10] <Boohbah> smegzor: ATI works on jaunty too, you just have to configure xorg to do so
[10:10] <HowDoI> After a few months I'll have like 10 different kernel versions
[10:10] <Boohbah> HowDoI: because in the event of a non-working kernel you want to have backups around
[10:10] <smegzor> Boohbah: I tried that.  It was horrible and I gave up after 2 hours at it.
[10:11] <HowDoI> Yeah, 1 backup is plenty
[10:11] <Boohbah> smegzor: then i don't think karmic is for you
[10:11] <Boohbah> HowDoI: i personally use several different kernels depending on my use case, such as realtime for audio stuff
[10:12] <HowDoI> I see
[10:12] <HowDoI> That reminds me
[10:12] <Boohbah> HowDoI: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/10/17/remove-ubuntu-kernels-you-dont-need/
[10:12] <smegzor> I just have to work a bit longer to afford a new NVidia.  I'll be back to NVidia in a week or two.
[10:12] <HowDoI> Will any future versions of Ubuntu finally get rid of Pulseaudio?
[10:12] <tgpraveen> !info palimpest
[10:12] <iflema> om26er: if vim is not what you have chosen as an editor assign you choice of editor on the command line with e.g export EDITOR=joe
[10:13] <tgpraveen> is the palimpest disk utility included by default with karmic?
[10:15] <Boohbah> iflema: or better yet, echo 'export EDITOR=joe' >> ~/.bashrc
[10:15] <iflema> m
[10:16] <paolob> Hi guys! is it possible to use epiphany-gecko in karmic?
[10:16] <Boohbah> !info epiphany-gecko
[10:16] <Boohbah> paolob: yes
[10:16] <tgpraveen> why is it in main?
[10:17] <tgpraveen> isnt main for thoese apps which are on default install?
[10:17] <HowDoI> Hey man, this is a pre-release version of Ubuntu.  If you have problems, wait for the full release
[10:17] <paolob> Boohbah, however karmic tells me the epiphany comes with epiphany-browser or epiphany-webkit, but if I install epiphany-browser, epiphany-gecko is removed
[10:17] <HowDoI> And if you still have problems then, wait for Karmic+!
[10:17] <HowDoI> 1
[10:18] <tgpraveen> is the palimpest disk utility included by default with karmic?
[10:18] <rsk> !info palimpest
[10:19] <rsk> tgpraveen: no
[10:19] <joaopinto> tgpraveen, no, main is for applications supported by Canonical
[10:20] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here?
[10:20] <rsk> tgpraveen: althou it shows up as gnome-disk-utility when i search for it in synaptic.
[10:21] <rsk> !info gnome-disk-utility
[10:21] <rsk> palimpsest (from the gnome-disk-utility project) is a tool to manage disk
[10:21] <rsk> drives and media:
[10:23] <doktoreas> Hello folks..so the ext4 is the default FS for karmic?
[10:23] <rsk> yes
[10:24] <HowDoI> Anybody know when EXT5 will be part of Ubuntu?
[10:24] <rsk> :)
[10:24] <iflema> lol
[10:26] <HowDoI> Anybody know the average age of the average Ubuntu user?
[10:26] <kaddi> 25
[10:26] <kaddi> :p
[10:26] <aboSamoor> 20
[10:27] <iflema> 30
[10:27] <iflema> no shit 30
[10:27] <Jaymac> 13, based on all the impatient kiddies in here yesterday :(
[10:27] <Jaymac> :)*
[10:28] <HowDoI> That's too bad
[10:28] <HowDoI> GNU/Linux should be pushed on younger people
[10:28] <HowDoI> Like 5 year olds
[10:29] <HowDoI> Give them the root password on their 10th birthday
[10:29] <HowDoI> If they haven't already cracked it
[10:29] <iflema> dont give it too a 15 year old....
[10:30] <Boohbah> iflema: why not?
[10:30] <iflema> yeah grub straight in.... is that still posible with grub 2
[10:30] <iflema> ?
[10:32] <Boohbah> < iflema> dont give it too a 15 year old.... < Boohbah> iflema: why not?
[10:33] <iflema> best to go damage control and make a new profile with lower acces rights
[10:36] <iflema> hackedy kack hack
[10:36] <doktoreas> Anyone knows if I can use facebook chat with empathy?
[10:37] <HowDoI> Sure, log into facebook with your web browser
[10:38] <ubuntu0ath1> web browser is not empathy
[10:41] <iflema> HowDoI: lol
[10:41] <HowDoI> Sorry
[10:41] <Jaymac> doktoreas, first google result: http://philliptweedie.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/facebook-chat-with-empathy-in-ubuntu/
[10:42] <doktoreas> Hi Jaymac. I saw that but I thought that was a bit old..
[10:42] <HowDoI> I started the Internet back when it was a cosmic, lawless mess
[10:42] <HowDoI> Back in the good old days of the late 90's
[10:43] <HowDoI> It's easy to be sarcastic sometimes
[10:47] <iflema> its begining to look alot like christmas............ christmas release would be good... say ... what 26th dec
[10:49] <HowDoI> No, then people would be busy instead of installing the new version
[10:49] <HowDoI> I would appear anti-social if I were to spend Christmas at my desk
[10:50] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here?
[10:50] <HowDoI> Last year they released that stuff on Halloween
[10:50] <jussi01> !anyone | kaddi
[10:50] <iflema> upgrade through repos... all good come the newyear. 5-7 here and there get it ready for 2010
[10:51] <iflema> 5-7 days
[10:51] <kaddi> :p
[10:52] <kaddi> i have asked the specific question before without any reaction. so unless someone using kde joined in the meantime, there is not much point in repeating. but here goes: I have a rather odd issue with kde 4.3.1 and karmic. I am using the systray widget and yesterday I went into the settings and used the preview-feature for the notification. Now everytime I get a notification 3 windows pop-up. The 2 "dummy" notifications from the preview and the actual
[10:52] <kaddi> notification from some other program. Is this a known issue and is there a work-around?
[10:53] <iflema> kde4 gettn good huh?
[10:54] <iflema> using systray widget... dont we all?
[10:54] <kaddi> it's nice. I asked in #kde before asking here.. seems as if this whole preview thing is not available in kde by default, so this should be an ubuntu thing/issue
[10:55] <iflema> where are settingns imon kde4
[10:55] <kaddi> or kubuntu rather
[10:55] <kaddi> iflema: what do yo mean?
[10:55] <iflema> im not sure what you mean just curious
[10:56] <kaddi> this are the settings I have for systray http://www.pic-upload.de/view-3260160/systray.png.html and that is how a kopete notification now looks for me: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-3260194/notif.png.html
[10:57] <kaddi> basically my entire screen is now filled with dummy notifications whenever I get a notification. I would like to get rid of them
[10:59] <floating> 7topic
[11:00] <iflema> kaddi: oh.. ok wiget settings.... eghh
[11:02] <iflema> kaddi: mandirva 2009.1 kde4.3.x does not have this option
[11:10] <kaddi> yes, it seems sometthing specific to kubuntu
[11:11] <Amaranth> joaopinto: Would something like this be useful for you? http://www.realistanew.com/random/powergdm.png
[11:12] <joaopinto> Amaranth, yes
[11:12] <joaopinto> Amaranth, but isn't upstream planning to develop a config tool ?
[11:12] <joaopinto> you are doing it yourself ?
[11:13] <Amaranth> joaopinto: I don't know what upstream is planning, I'm just poking into gdm
[11:13] <Amaranth> so it requires gksudo which we're trying to stop using
[11:13] <Amaranth> s/gdm/gconf/
[11:21] <whyking> hi
[11:21] <lynch69> guys... ho do i fix nm-applets in karmic? it refuses to save any setting changes
[11:21] <whyking> I have no /etc/apparmor/usr.sbin.mysqld profile
[11:22] <whyking> and mysqld does not start correctly, giving a lot of apparmor messages
[11:22] <whyking> e.g.
[11:22] <whyking> [ 1224.141963] type=1503 audit(1254478824.536:78): operation="open" pid=3255 parent=3254 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[11:23] <lynch69> the solution seems to be install a nightly network manager from ppa, but how do i do that without internet, downloading separate deb files from windows is a huge nightmare and throws me into dependency hell
[11:28] <cousteau> it takes about 40 seconds to boot UNR on an Acer Aspire One... maybe because of the splash? how can I remove it?
[11:37] <kaddi> anyone using kubuntu in here, that could verify if he's having the same glitch I have?
[11:39] <alokito> will the gnome network manager have support for bluetooth modem in final release?
[11:39] <madrazr> hello everyone, when I say zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.zsync, I get this error
[11:39] <madrazr> could not read control file from URL http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:39] <madrazr> is this a known issue?
[11:39] <alokito> karmic is in beta now? :-/
[11:40] <rsk> alokito: correct
[11:40] <alokito> rsk, how can I upgrade from alpha 6?
[11:40] <nonix4> well, releases seems to be overloaded...
[11:40] <rsk> alokito: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:40] <alokito> okk, when did it release? :)
[11:41] <alokito> I didnt get the update in morning
[11:41] <rsk> yesterday or something
[11:41] <nonix4> (torrent on the other hands: | peers:    4 seen now, 26.5% done at 12815.4 kB/s)
[11:41] <alokito> hmm
[11:42] <alokito> rsk, where can I post a feature request?
[11:42] <alokito> I want bluetooth modem support in gnome network manager
[11:42] <rsk> launchpad.net
[11:42] <alokito> ok
[11:43] <alokito> karmic has lots of new features that I like a lot
[11:44] <alokito> rsk, where in launchpad? bug report?
[11:44] <rsk> i'd rather not babysit
[11:45] <madrazr> can some one help me with zsync for Karmic Beta?
[11:45] <alokito> rsk, ive visited http://launchpad.net/ubuntu ... but there's no link for feature request
[11:45] <rsk> again, please ask someone else
[11:46] <alokito> okay...
[11:47] <alokito> whats a blueprint?
[11:48] <rsk> an ida basicly
[11:48] <rsk> idea
[11:48] <alokito> ok, I was looking for this
[11:49] <tavasti> alokito, karmic came beta about 14 hours ago
[11:49] <tavasti> depending on yourt timezone today or yesterday
[11:49] <alokito> tavasti, ok, I last checked about 16 hours ago
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo
[11:55] <ActionParsnip1> expect this channel to be on fire
[11:56] <rsk> why
[11:56] <peol> Does anyone have any idea why 'xev' doesn't respond with a keycode (or symlink) on my media keys, while lshal -m does, and udev does too? They used to work when pulseaudio was installed, could the gnome-media package be 'grabbing' them, hindering others from registering them?
[11:57] <ActionParsnip1> peol: possibly, try it in livecd to test
[11:58] <peol> That's not an option at this time, dvd broke a few days ago after the cat "accidentally" stepped on it and broke the slide :P
[11:59] <James147> peol: You can try to create a liveusb then
[11:59] <peol> Yeah, I'll try that out
[12:00] <ActionParsnip1> peol: if your kb is branded you may be able to find a guide
[12:01] <peol> ActionParsnip1: The worked before I removed pulseaudio, so I'm thinking that the gnome-volume-control is hooking those keys since it doesn't support gstreamer anymore
[12:01] <peol> They*
[12:02] <ActionParsnip1> peol: if you jump into keyboard shortcuts, if you select a function and press a key, does it set the key there
[12:02] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Yep, with the right XF86Audio* shortcut too
[12:03] <|ns|nR8> ubuntu 9.10 beta is out ?
[12:03] <Mike1> what‘s the name of the package which contains that GNOME-tool to enable/disable services?
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> peol: hmm
[12:03] <ActionParsnip1> |ns|nR8: yes
[12:03] <James147> |ns|nR8: Beta is out yes
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> Mike1: bum
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> !info bum | Mike1
[12:04] <alokito> tavasti, how to check my dist version?
[12:04] <alokito> Im getting this: alokito@alokito-karmic:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <alokito> Reading package lists... Done
[12:04] <alokito> Building dependency tree
[12:04] <alokito> Reading state information... Done
[12:04] <alokito> Calculating upgrade... Done
[12:04] <alokito> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: lsb_release -c
[12:04] <alokito> ok
[12:04] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: if it says that then you are on the beta, you will seamlessly upgrade to the rc
[12:04] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Just to be clear, it does register the keypresses in 'xev', it's just not labelling them as 'keypress event'
[12:04] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, codename: karmic
[12:04] <alokito> ni alpha or beta
[12:05] <alokito> no*
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: it wont say that
[12:05] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: if you have no updates to grab then you are on beta
[12:05] <peol> ActionParsnip1: And there's no keycode, just mentions of FocusIn/out and KeymapNotify events
[12:05] <Mike1> ActionParsnip1, ubottu: it was not bum … it was installed by default and looked way different … somehow i removed it apparently
[12:05] <tavasti> alokito, run 'sudo apt-get update' first
[12:05] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, alokito@alokito-karmic:~$ lsb_release -c
[12:05] <alokito> Codename:       karmic
[12:05] <alokito> tavasti, yup did that
[12:05] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, yup all updatest are installed
[12:06] <alokito> updates*
[12:06] <ActionParsnip1> peol: maybe its a "feature" of the keyboard and you need some weird config / app to capture them
[12:06] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: then you are good to do :D
[12:06] <nzmm_> is it just me or are the ubuntu main servers taking a pounding?
[12:07] <Lazy> they seem to be really slow
[12:07] <alokito> how much continuous hits does it take to make floodbot ban someone? :P
[12:08] <alokito> ActionParsnip1, isn't there a way to check if its alpha or beta?
[12:08] <Amaranth> nzmm_: If you think it's bad now wait until the final :P
[12:08] <nzmm_> hehe yea
[12:08] <ActionParsnip1> alokito: not that i m aware of
[12:08] <Amaranth> when the final release comes out almost all the mirrors die too
[12:08] <alokito> ok :(
[12:08] <peol> ActionParsnip1: Possibly, perhaps xev is too old, udev/lshal recognize them but I'm not sure how to use that if I want to bind the keyboard events (xmodmap)
[12:09] <alokito> so alpha or beta aren't counted as distribution updates?
[12:09] <rsk> alokito: no
[12:09] <Amaranth> no
[12:09] <alokito> ok
[12:10] <Amaranth> This isn't Windows :)
[12:10] <ActionParsnip1> peol: makes sense
[12:10] <Mike1> development is floating
[12:10] <Mike1> make dailyd upgrades and you go from alpha1 to final :-)
[12:10] <Mike1> *daily
[12:12] <Mike1> except some small bugs my Netbook Remix got fairly stable :-)
[12:12] <Raydiation> argh why is everyone downloading and keeping the servers busy
[12:12] <ccc__> hi
[12:12] <ccc__> i have a problem with x server
[12:12] <ccc__> e driver ati.
[12:12] <alokito> Mike1, I will install the final separately, no wish to update from alpha or beta
[12:12] <Mike1> Raydiation: some people propably think they need the beta
[12:13] <stefg> Mike1: what netbook is that? My experience with an Acer Aspire One is that nbr is unusable with that atm
[12:13] <Raydiation> btw, beta with least bugs yet :)
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> Raydiation: wow, jaunty was 100% solid here in beta
[12:14] <Mike1> stefg: Asus EeePC1005HA-M … between alpha 5 and alpha 6 it was really unstable
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> karmic on my main desktop has been awesome since alpha 2 or 3
[12:14] <Mike1> stefg: but now it’s very usable and no major crashs so far
[12:14] <Raydiation> ActionParsnip1: didnt try jaunty beta^^
[12:14] <Raydiation> oh yes
[12:14] <Raydiation> i did xD
[12:14] <stefg> Mike1: xorg has serious problems on the AAO. colours are off, no icons visible on top panel
[12:15] <iflema> ding... ding... such a busy little hive
[12:15] <Mike1> stefg: the 751h one?
[12:15] <Raydiation> i really like the ui changes
[12:16] <Raydiation> great theme, icons and gdm
[12:16] <stefg> Mike1: A110L
[12:16] <Mike1> stefg: strange … it uses the good old intel onboard graphics
[12:18] <stefg> Mike1: yup... i'm asking myself, too, what that might be. but running the exact same image in a virtual machine gives me a working Live environment, so it's definitely a bug (not some damaged medium)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip1> so if I dist-upgrade then I have the beta packages?
[12:19] <Amaranth> yes
[12:20] <ActionParsnip1> sweet, just checking
[12:22] <ActionParsnip1> got a new chromium today, its damn fast
[12:24] <ripps> wth, did they remove epiphany from the repos? why would they do that?
[12:24] <Amaranth> no...
[12:25] <Amaranth> It should have been moved to universe and the gecko version removed
[12:25] <Boohbah> ActionParsnip1: i just made chromium use my gtk dark theme and now i'm set :)
[12:25] <ripps> Amaranth: well they removed it from main, but haven't pushed into universe yet
[12:27] <ubuntu_> hey people, very busy servers for download beta, torrents are available?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip1> Boohbah: i made mine look like macOS to be ironic, i use the brushed metal theme
[12:28] <ActionParsnip1> Boohbah: it smokes firefox well. even with my suped up settings on firefox
[12:28] <Mike1> what‘s the name of the package which contains that GNOME-tool to enable/disable services? (just asking again)
[12:29] <Elone> anyone know how do i config wacom or where is /etc/X11/xorg.cong go?
[12:30] <stefg> ubuntu_: find your mirror here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2009-October/000125.html , they usually have torrents, too
[12:30] <Boohbah> ActionParsnip1: i'm wondering if chrome will prompt firefox to switch to webkit
[12:30] <ubuntu_> no torrents for now...
[12:33] <unimatrix> are there any chances of X server 1.7 reaching karmic?
[12:34] <stefg> ubuntu_: http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[12:34] <Boohbah> unimatrix: not if it isn't there right now, which means no
[12:34] <unimatrix> it's been released today
[12:34] <jpds> ubuntu_: There are torrents available.
[12:35] <ubuntu_> i can't browse this links, for now are too heavy busy...
[12:35] <Boohbah> unimatrix: feature freeze was a few months ago, can't add new stuff to a distro to be released at the end of the month
[12:35] <jpds> unimatrix: Unlikely this far in the cycloe.
[12:35] <ubuntu_> yes, i look, i can't prowse the pages...
[12:35] <Boohbah> err s/months/weeks/
[12:37] <peol> ActionParsnip1, Raydiation: The community-themes package contains some great themes as well
[12:37] <floating> hey. how should I debug the case when my cpu load is 100% always when i play flash, and in many other occasions it climbs up there very easily
[12:38] <floating> i have a poor integrate intel graphics controller, but still in alpha3 it had the best performance, then something happened
[12:38] <kaddi> I lost sound with flash after I upgraded from jaunty to karmic. :/ Is there some new/diferent pacakge I need to install or is flash the same in karmic and jaunty?
[12:38]  * nonix4 ponders how to import .iso contents as .debs recognized by apt-cacher (or some such)
[12:39] <stefg> nonix4: you need the alternate install cd
[12:40] <stefg> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu.iso/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:40] <peol> kaddi: Try installing the flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound package
[12:41] <stefg> nonix4: once you have the image you can either burn it to CD and upgrade by the CD, or just mount -o loop that ISO to /media/cdrom
[12:41] <cousteau> kaddi: afaik the flash installer just downloads and installs a .so library that hasn't updated for months
[12:42] <floating> I got this in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
[12:43] <Elone> anyone know how do i config wacom or where is /etc/X11/xorg.conf go?
[12:44] <ActionParsnip1> nonix4: add the cd to your sources.list
[12:44] <nonix4> stefg: hmm... yeah something like that will work, which cd iso is used doesn't really matter for my scenario though - have desktop one DL'd and want to use the debs on that for ltsp server on lan doing apt-get dist-upgrade...
[12:46] <stefg> nonix4: the desktop CDs do not hold .debs for the upgrade. It's a squashfs file system image, where most of the packages are already installed. So you simply do not have them yet. Only the alternate CD does a real .deb-by-.deb install
[12:47] <nonix4> 'k
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> how about the 'dvd' does it have both?
[12:48] <peol> Elone: Try http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=104309&forumpage=0, way easier then the xorg-setup, and that is removed since it's using HAL/hotplugging now afaik
[12:48] <stefg> Dr_Willis: don't know, never used a dvd
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> i see it asked whats different about the dvd. :) i never use it either
[12:49] <Elone> peol: k, let me check that out
[12:50] <nonix4> heh, apparently a total of 21 debs on desktop cd... well, I've almost never used desktop cd, instead been using altcd most of time
[12:50] <peol> Elone: Don't forget to install the wacom-tools package as well, I think that's a dependency (if it doesn't do that for you)
[12:51] <kaddi> peol: thanks the extrasound thing seems to have solved the problem. :)
[12:51] <peol> kaddi: np
[12:53] <Elone> peol, ^^ thank for the tips ~ ^^ installing @v@
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Im wondering what the differance btween 'eject and unmount' is for  an external usb drive.   I was thinking on 9.04 i only had ONE of those options depending on the device
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> not both as im seeing now
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> eject some how makes the system no longer see the device.. i ejected this usb hard drive.. now i cant gparted it. :0 guess i should of used unmount..
[13:11] <peol> Dr_Willis: "Eject" is what "Safe-removal" is in Windows afaik, it means you can safely remove it since it has been unmounted and the powered down, while unmount only unmounts it but still gets power so you can access it
[13:11] <mbeierl> ooo.  I think my network manager is really hosed now :(
[13:11] <mbeierl> anyone else tried connecting to hidden wireless network and had problems?
[13:11] <Elone> what do "dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor" mean? how do i fix that ? i am trying to install the wacom-utility
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> peol:  makes sence.. now how about this 'detect media' menu itsm that  i dont recall EVER seeing befor. :)
[13:12] <peol> Elone: I think it's a bug in the package installer, "sudo apt-get install wacom-tools" should work
[13:12] <Elone> peol, i did that~ now i try to install the deb that you sent me
[13:13] <spreadthelove> whats the command to update to karmic?
[13:13] <peol> Dr_Willis: No idea, I've used karmic for a while but never played around with it
[13:13] <chu_> How is everyone tonight?
[13:13] <peol> Elone: You can use sudo  dpkg -i <package file> as well, if it's not in the repos (as this file isn't)
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I only saw that menu item today.. im pretty sure it wasent there a few days ago. :)
[13:14] <peol> Dr_Willis: Where do you find that, in the Applications menu?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> peol:  i right clicked on my usb drive icon on the desktop. it now has 'eject, unmount , Detect media'
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking it may rescan/remount devices.. but it dident seem to do that
[13:16] <peol> Dr_Willis: Ah, I guess that's just a "Audio/Data/DVD Movie" sort of thing, I've never seen it before
[13:16] <Heeroo> how can i install netbook remix on ubuntu ?
[13:17] <peol> Heeroo: Install the 'ubuntu-netbook-remix' package
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> theres a netbook remix iso i recall
[13:17] <mbeierl> man... even all the jaunty mirrors are slow today.  You'd think someone released a beta or something :)
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> torrrents were amazing fast :)
[13:18] <Heeroo> yes, but i have a running ubuntu and don't want reinstall
[13:18] <Elone> peol, installed but it detect no graphic tablets :<
[13:18] <Heeroo> so how can i do that?
[13:19] <rsk> Heeroo: sudo update-manager -d
[13:19] <ActionParsnip1> Heeroo: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-netbook-remix
[13:19] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis:  ya, but I've got a school that I'm trying to do just a regular jaunty update on (no upgrade) and I can't get anthing from security.ubuntu.com - know of any mirror for that one?
[13:19] <peol> Elone: Aww, too bad. I don't have a wacom myself so I can't help you much I'm afraid. Try consult the forum, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=359
[13:19] <rsk> oh remibx.
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> mbeierl:  not really tried or looked. sor5ry
[13:20] <Elone> peol,  T^T is ok ~ thank for the help thou ^^ ~ i will stuck will eraser as the pen for a while i guess XD
[13:20] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: just thought I'd check :)
[13:20] <Amaranth> mbeierl: There is no mirror for security.ubuntu.com
[13:21] <mbeierl> Amaranth: somehow that's what I figured.  Too bad it's being hit so hard today ...
[13:21] <Amaranth> Mostly because we want those updates to go out ASAP and not wait for mirroring (some mirrors can be incredibly out of date)
[13:21] <leleobhz> someone know about a kernel problem with wireless cards that returns error 132?
[13:21] <Heeroo> i have instaled it, but the metycity don't show the cancel buttons
[13:22] <peol> Elone: Try just rebooting/logout and see if it detects it
[13:22] <mbeierl> Amaranth: I'm stuck waiting for it, but just because I need to install a package so ooimpress can open and I've got teachers waiting for me to hurry up and get it done so they can work with their presentations and ... you know :)
[13:22] <Heeroo> ???
[13:23] <Amaranth> mbeierl: Why do you need a package from -security to fix OOo? Did they roll a crash fix and a security fix together?
[13:24] <mbeierl> Amaranth: nope.  but my regular mirror is bogged down so I switched to a non-karmic mirror for jaunty but then I needed to do an apt-get update so I get the new mirror list...
[13:24] <eternal_p> has it really been 3 days without a true update, or has something happened to my update manager
[13:24] <Amaranth> mbeierl: apt-get update should just timeout on security and go on
[13:24] <Amaranth> eternal_p: We were in beta freeze
[13:24] <eternal_p> Amaranth: that would do it
[13:24] <Amaranth> There are some updates coming in now
[13:24] <mbeierl> Amaranth: hey... ctrl-c when I hit the security works.  the other mirror is good now - thanks! :)
[13:25] <eternal_p> Amaranth: last I saw was for update manager last night
[13:25] <eternal_p> I'm just not used to it
[13:26] <mbeierl> 366KB/s download from a non-karmic mirror vs. 63B/s with the karmic mirror.  Man!  You'd think there was a release or something ;)
[13:26] <Amaranth> eternal_p: I know an archive manager cleared the queue this morning so...
[13:26] <Elone> peol, ok ~
[13:26] <eternal_p> actually, another question while I'm here, in earlier alphas, under places, rather than having all the book marks showing, I had home, destkop, then bookmarks -> with everything else in a sub menu, I'd love to figure out how to get that back
[13:29] <Elone> back~
[13:29] <Elone> noluck thou ;p
[13:31] <Amaranth> eternal_p: there is no configuration I can find for it so...
[13:31] <eternal_p> Amaranth: ah well, it was a better layout than current, what can you do..
[13:32] <Elone> btw, how do i setup finger-print login? or can i?
[13:32] <Heeroo> have you a idea?
[13:33] <myk_robinson> I am using Gnome-Do in Docky mode and have it set to start automatically and run in place of a lower panel. Do any of you have issues with multiple instances of Gnome-Do launching, making it just not work? Sometimes at boot, i have to open a terminal, run  ps -C gnome-do   and terminate all instances of the app, then relaunch it, at which point it works fine.
[13:35] <tavasti> after install from beta cd, I'll get 'GRUB loading. error: no such partition'
[13:35] <tavasti> and prompt grub rescue>
[13:35] <Travis-42> For some reason, any GUI application that asks for the administrative password fails to recognize my password.  but I can sudo with the same password. What might be wrong?
[13:35] <tavasti> tried booting to rescue mode, and running grub-install, but same problem
[13:36] <temporarytao> hi, i just upgraded to karmic beta and when i boot, there's a message that prints out with something like unknown filesystem xfs
[13:38] <temporarytao> hi, i just upgraded to karmic beta and when i boot, there's a message that prints out with something like unknown filesystem xfs
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> do you have any xfs filesystems on the system?
[13:40]  * Dr_Willis says never mind...
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:40]  * Dr_Willis watches the installer run on his laptop
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Purty stuff to read as it installs... ohhh...ahhhh....
[13:42] <mercutio221> I am trying to mount an ext4 partition from the karmic live cd but a window pops up requiring authentication and my user password will not suffice. What to do?
[13:43] <Lazy> Elone: if you have thinkpad you can setup finger print login with package thinkfinger-tools
[13:44] <Lazy> I it on my laptop so I can sudo with my finger print but the first time after boot I login with password because gnome keylocker needs the password
[13:45] <temporarytao> Dr_Willis, sorry, i got DC for a bit. yes. i'm using ext4 for the root partition and XFS for the home.
[13:46] <temporarytao> and also XFS for my backups partition
[13:46] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: launch a terminal and run: passwd
[13:46] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: then type a password twice to set it
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> yea i noticed that little quirk with the live cd also. :)
[13:48] <mercutio221> ActionParsnip1: I still get authentification failure =[
[13:48] <tavasti> anybody having any idea what commands that 'grub rescue>' prompt accepts
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> mercutio221: strange
[13:48] <Elone> Lazy,  not Thinkpad >.< is Lifebook
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> !grub | tavasti may have some clues
[13:49] <Travis-42> is us.archive.ubuntu.com going really slow for updating for others? Is there a way around this?
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> tavasti:   checks the docs at  the grub homepage/docs?  i was looking throug them the otehr day
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> !slow
[13:49] <NoelJB> Travis-42, yes, I'm seeing issues getting apt-get to update at the moment.
[13:49] <Heeroo> how can i change to gdm?
[13:49] <Heeroo> i have installed kdm
[13:49] <Travis-42> ok NoelJB, thank you
[13:50] <Lazy> Elone: it might use the same fingerprint reader as thinkpads
[13:50] <Heeroo> ??ß
[13:50] <temporarytao> Travis-42, i just upgraded to karmic and i had decent speed.
[13:50] <temporarytao> i was using the japan server
[13:50] <temporarytao> maybe that'll help
[13:51] <Travis-42> temporarytao: I'm already in karmic, but I'm trying to get additional packages.  can I make apt use different servers?
[13:51] <temporarytao> i could using intrepid. checking now...
[13:51] <Elone> Lazy, hmm
[13:51] <temporarytao> yeah, same setup
[13:52] <temporarytao> just open your "software sources" program
[13:52] <tavasti> looks like i'm in trouble, 'insmod /boot/grub/normal.mod' gives me again 'error: no such partition'
[13:52] <temporarytao> then clik on the "download from" dropdown
[13:52] <temporarytao> then click "select best server" from the window that pops up
[13:53] <temporarytao> as i understand it, that'll ping the servers and give you the best/fastest one relative to you
[13:53] <temporarytao> for me, its japan
[13:53] <Leif__> I can't seem to find any form of install button in the ubuntu software center...can any of you help?  Thank you
[13:53] <tavasti> meybe grub2 can't handle situation when it has to find partition (hd0,10)
[13:54] <temporarytao> can anyone help on my "unknown filesystem xfs" problem
[13:54] <Pici> Leif__: Its in each application's page.
[13:54] <Leif__> Pici:  Okay, but there is nooinstall button on the pages either, although I do see a bunch of "Not Available in Current Data" messages
[13:55] <Pici> Leif__: I'd bet that it timed out trying to contact the servers and is just saying that because it doesnt know if those packages actually exist in the repos.
[13:56] <Leif__> I see, is there any way I can tell it to try again?
[13:56] <Pici> I don't have it in front of me (ssh access only right now) but I thought there was a refresh button somewhere.
[13:57] <temporarytao> can anyone help on my "unknown filesystem xfs" problem
[13:58] <ActionParsnip1> temporarytao: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=951844
[13:58] <Heeroo> i can't install kdm
[13:58] <Heeroo> it's not listed in the reposetry
[13:58] <Leif__> Pici:  Well, I'm certiantly not seing one...would it refresh if I switch servers?
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Heeroo:  try sudo apt-get install kdm ?
[13:59] <Pici> Leif__: Yes. Also if you manually did an apt-get update
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> temporarytao: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1702291.html
[14:00] <temporarytao> ActionParsnip1, thanks. i'm checking the links now
[14:00] <Heeroo> it works now
[14:01] <Leif__> Pici, great, it worked!!!
[14:01] <Leif__> Although, there probably should be a big refresh button in the store itself, (I didn't see one anyway)  Thank you
[14:02] <eric_> hello everyone... Since recently in karmic, i get KDE in English, while everything is set for French... any clue ?
[14:03] <temporarytao> ActionParsnip1, seems like its an ongoing bug. i guess i won't be seeing a fix for a while. thanks for the assist
[14:03] <kaddi> eric_: the translation might not be ready?
[14:04] <eric_> kaddi : yes, but then why did it work last week ? I've already installed karmic one month ago
[14:05] <wastrel> i'm a tired girl
[14:05] <mx> ?
[14:05] <tavasti> looks like I need to write bug report
[14:06] <mx> eric_: i have kde in french
[14:06] <tavasti> in grub prompt 'ls' shows hd0 and hd0,7 - hd0,1, and then error: out of disk
[14:06] <kaddi> eric_: I'm just guessing, but the beta was released yesterday and maybe they did not submit the french translation. maybe its simply a bug? I have a german OS, normally, about 25% of the lines are actually german, while the rest is ienglish ;)
[14:08] <eric_> mx : can you then help me determine the problem in private mail ? especially all window manager standard texts reverted to english ("maximize", "minimize", "close", ...). The clock too and the whole panel switched to English.
[14:08] <eric_> in private chat, sorry
[14:09] <mx> eric_: whoops, yeah i got all these elements in english too
[14:10] <eric_> aaah
[14:10]  * eric_ now knows he went not crazy ;-)
[14:11] <eric_> kaddi : ist das dasselbe auf Deutsch auch ? alle wm standardtexte wie "schlißen" usw ?
[14:13] <kaddi> eric_: I have "maximise", "minimise" and "schließen" right now.
[14:13] <eric_> and the panel's clock ? in german or english ?
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> germans have different clocks then english?
[14:15] <eric_> Freitag instead of Friday...
[14:15] <eric_> (depends on your settings, yes)
[14:15] <Travis-42> I have a weird problem with karmic beta: gksu doesn't recognize my password, but sudo does.  any ideas?
[14:15] <kaddi> yes, our clocks go the other way round ;)
[14:15] <kaddi> j/k
[14:16] <eric_> lol
[14:16] <kaddi> eric_: no, it is showing "Freitag". But depending on the language this might be different
[14:16] <temporarytao> hi, can someone post the blog link that'll help me solve the "dimming" problem?
[14:16] <temporarytao> i keep getting the alert for it but i keep missing the link
[14:16] <eric_> yes but it used to show "Fen" and now it is "Fri"... Same for you mx ?
[14:16] <eric_> "Ven" (vendredi)
[14:17] <mx> eric_: yeah same but I found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr/+bug/409558
[14:17] <Travis-42> basically, I can't access any GUI configuration programs because it seems to be expecting a different password from my sudo password?
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> your sudo password should be the same as your users password right?
[14:18] <eric_> ok, thanks, i should have started first place in launchpad ;-)
[14:18] <eric_> i thought it was me ;-)
[14:23] <DKcross> people, what is the diference of ubuntu cd and ubuntu dvd ?
[14:23] <DKcross> dvd have more packages or what?
[14:23] <DKcross> the dvd have repos?
[14:24] <mx> dvd = more languages
[14:24] <DKcross> mx,  thanks
[14:25] <DKcross> any know if exist a package disk?
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  the alt-isntaller cd has the .debs on it.
[14:25] <DKcross> but  a bit number of packages
[14:26] <Amaranth> mx: Actually I think they ended up dropping the langpacks from the DVD too
[14:26] <DKcross> i say , repository disk
[14:26] <Amaranth> DKcross: Closest you'll get is the alternative installer disc
[14:26] <Amaranth> If you burn it and put it in a computer that has jaunty installed it'll offer to use the disc to upgrade, iirc
[14:27] <DKcross> mmm well my question is for the people that want ubuntu but dont have internet
[14:27] <DKcross> i think DVD have more package
[14:28] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yes, the sudo password is my users password
[14:28] <DKcross> mmm like debian cd's or debian dvd's
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  thers no 'mirror set of cds' to download that ive ever seen
[14:29] <DKcross> yes, i was making packages cds, like aptoncd, but my questions is, if any know any official disk
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> DKcross:  not that ive ever seen
[14:30] <DKcross> i think that is necessary
[14:30] <DKcross> :)
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> aparently its not condsidered much of one by anyone else.
[14:30] <NoelJB> Travis-42, did you try gksudo instead of gksu?
[14:31] <Travis-42> NoelJB: yes, gksudo works, it asks for my password.  But things like the Synaptic Package Manager keep asking for the "Administrative password" which is apaprently different
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm synaptic asks? ive never seen it ask...
[14:31] <NoelJB> Travis-42, no, it should be the same.  your password, assuming that you are in sudoers, should work.  WFM  :-)
[14:31] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: me either
[14:31] <Travis-42> this is a fresh install too
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> gksudo synaptic     perhaps?
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> ive only seen synaptic warn 'not running with root priv.'
[14:32] <Travis-42> yep  gksudo synaptic works
[14:32] <mvo_> Travis-42: what is printed (in a terminal) when you run: "gksu id"
[14:32] <Travis-42> but if I click any of the options in System that require a password, it asks for an administrative password
[14:33] <Travis-42> mvo_: A bunch of gconf errors
[14:33] <Travis-42> http://pastebin.com/d2a3bfb90
[14:33] <NoelJB> Travis-42, Oh?  That's interesting.  I get uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[14:33] <Travis-42> NoelJB: it also pops up asking me for my administrative password, which won't accept my user password
[14:33] <Dr_Willis> gconf errors whenyou do gksu id ?
[14:34] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yea, I just put them in pastebin above
[14:34] <Dr_Willis>  gksu id
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[14:34] <Dr_Willis> is what i got here. :)
[14:34] <Travis-42> darn it
[14:34] <mx> Travis-42: hope you know that if your GUI system ask you for a password it's the root password you have to give him ?
[14:35] <Travis-42> mx: yes but there is no root password
[14:35] <mx> Travis-42: no root password ?
[14:35] <mx> sudo -s = no password ?
[14:35] <Travis-42> mx: I believe that is ubuntu default and /etc/shadow shows no password for root
[14:36] <Travis-42> mx: sudo -s asks for my user password
[14:36] <mbeierl> hmm.  file browsers (attach a file from an email) don't allow typing in of a directory anywhere so if i want to get something from a .directory, I can't without showing "hidden" dirs...
[14:36] <NoelJB> mx, ubuntu doesn't use a root password.  we use sudo not su
[14:37] <Travis-42> basically it seems that my system is trying to use gksu not gksudo for System applications... weird
[14:37] <Travis-42> that's my best interpretation
[14:37] <NoelJB> Travis-42, the messages about ORBit seem odd.  I don't see those.
[14:37] <Travis-42> NoelJB: hmm, maybe the gconf errors are causing gnome to act funny in some way
[14:38] <NoelJB> Travis-42, or rather the underlying cause of the gconf messages :-)
[14:38] <Travis-42> or maybe, heh
[14:39] <Travis-42> if I do: "sudo -s" followed by "gksu id" then I don't get the errors
[14:40] <Travis-42> can I safely just delete my .gconf directory, will it be restored, minus the loss of some settings?
[14:41] <mx> Travis-42: i'm not a pro at sudo but you can allow it to let your username to use /bin/su
[14:43] <Travis-42> mx: I don't think that's going to solve my problems
[14:43] <Travis-42> but thank you
[14:43] <mbeierl> maybe someone knows this: I've added a second user since I installed Karmic, but whenever system auth is required by an app (not launched explicitly by me via gksu) it says I need the password for initial user, not current user.  anyone else see this?
[14:44] <Travis-42> mbeierl: hey! welcome to the club
[14:44] <mx> Travis-42: can you type : su -  and have a root prompt ?
[14:44] <Travis-42> except I only have a single user
[14:44] <NoelJB> Travis-42, what happens if you try to create another account, and add it to the admin group (admin is in sudoers, so that's all you need)?
[14:46] <Travis-42> NoelJB: I'll try that
[14:47] <mbeierl> Travis-42: joined late into the conversation, but you do know you cannot directly "su -", right?
[14:47] <mbeierl> sorry mx ^
[14:47] <Travis-42> mbeierl: yes, I know that
[14:47] <DKcross> Happy UBuntu Global jam for all
[14:48] <tavasti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/440587
[14:49] <Travis-42> mbeierl: but it sounds like I have a similar problem to you.  I have a single user, but whenever system auth is required bya  gui app, it requests my administrative password, not my user/sudo password
[14:50] <mbeierl> Travis-42: what's your "administrative" password, then?  If you only have the one account, what does that mean?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:51] <ikt> isn't there root level and user level ?
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: sorry - I don't mean literally what is it, I mean what does it expect?
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: are you totally locked out then as there is no other password?
[14:51] <Travis-42> mbeierl: I don't know, really. My best guess with my limited understanding is that it seems to be running "gksu" rather than "gksudo" and therefore asking for my "root" password (just like "su -") even though there is no root password to enter
[14:51] <Travis-42> mbeierl: I can use sudo from the command line to launch anything, and gksudo for any gui apps
[14:51] <Travis-42> but if I choose the optional from the System menu, then it prompts for the wrong password
[14:51] <mbeierl> Travis-42: right... same here...  Gotcha
[14:52] <Travis-42> yea, must be a new bug, but not sure what's affecting it
[14:52] <mx> Travis-42: it should ask for the user password
[14:52] <Travis-42> mx: yes, it should, but it's not
[14:53] <mbeierl> Travis-42: what menu entry do you use to show this behaviour - I want to test something?
[14:54] <Mike1> http://at.archive.ubuntu.com is sooooo slow right now
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  :) they all are
[14:54] <Travis-42> mbeierl: Synaptic Package Manager, Software Sources, Users and Groups
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> http://northpole.archive.ubuntu.com  perhapss?
[14:54] <Mike1> Dr_Willis: why? hopefully not just because of beta …
[14:54] <Travis-42> mbeierl: but really, every single option that would prompt for a password normally
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  because of beta...
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:54] <mbeierl> Travis-42: ok... thanks
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> actually synaptic package manager dosent ask for the password I think.. .so somthing thats launching it is asking.. that may be  a gksu issue then
[14:55] <esters> Hi, I'm trying to get wireless working on Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Li2727, so far without success ( lspci,iwlist,ifconfig,iwconfig output -> http://pastebin.ca/1589499 ) on Ubuntu 9.10 Beta
[14:56] <Dr_Willis> gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic
[14:56] <Mike1> but final will be on a totally different level … how do you want to release it if servers are going down with beta?!
[14:56] <Dr_Willis> Mike1:  thats why i normally wait a week  after its released. :)
[14:58] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yea, gksu is asking for my administrative password, but gksudo is asking for my user password, so it must be gksu itself or some gksu configuration that gets messed up
[14:59] <Travis-42> mbeierl: if you type gksu id at the command prompt for your second user that has the problems, do you get errors?
[14:59] <mbeierl> Travis-42: Nope
[14:59] <Travis-42> hmm, ok, that must be unrelated then...
[14:59] <c_korn> does someone else have a half-translated Ubuntu ? http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26310/screenshot_002_Qe2OSu.png
[15:01] <Travis-42> c_korn: I think I saw someone else complaining about something like that
[15:01] <ikt> c_korn = ppa for vlc?
[15:01] <mbeierl> Travis-42: it's actually policy-kit being launched explicitly with the same of the original user "/usr/lib/policykit-1/polkit-agent-helper-1 local-admin cookie1"
[15:02] <Travis-42> mbeierl: where did you find that?
[15:03] <mbeierl> ps aux - after launching update manager and clicking install to have it prompt me
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> Travis-42:  but normally the 2 are the same password..
[15:03] <mbeierl> Travis-42: ^
[15:03] <c_korn> ikt: depends on whether you like the "service" :)
[15:03] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yes :-/
[15:04] <Travis-42> let me see if I can paste the window I'm getting, it looks different from what I remember
[15:05] <xiaoxiao> i cannot use tab in terminal after update to Karmic
[15:06] <mbeierl> xiaoxiao: there's still a bug where tab-to-complete won't work if the directory has spaces
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> spaces  - bad Windows Training! :)
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> and 's  in names...
[15:08] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: also bad gvfs-fuse.  Mount any share via gvfs-mount and you'll see it's called "share on server" in .gvfs :(
[15:08] <mbeierl> Dr_Willis: and that's HARD CODED in gvfs fuse no less
[15:08] <xiaoxiao> mbeierl: i cannot use tab to complete the commander
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. gvfs stuff.. is... weird in ways
[15:08] <Dr_Willis> still not sure how it manages to hide things from the mount command
[15:09] <mbeierl> gvfs has hurt my head on far too many occasions...  but when it works, it's nice
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> Gnome really needs to get  slapped a bit and let  the users actually configure things more
[15:09] <mbeierl> YES!!!
[15:10] <mbeierl> Like - I can't launch a VPN that's configured through nm-applet from the command line.  I seem to HAVE to use the GUI to launch the vpn!?!
[15:10] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: http://imagebin.ca/view/blkfWbb8.html  this is what package manager shows me, and this is what is shows me when I successfully use gksudo: http://imagebin.ca/view/nAC4gWA.html
[15:10] <Travis-42> the first one won't accept my user password, but the second one does
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm... You havent installed kde by any chanve have you?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> do they both 'dim' the screen and lock the input to the dialog?
[15:12] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: yes they both dim the screen and lock the input.  no I have not installed kde
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> I cant recall ever seeing one ask to 'rember password'
[15:12] <mbeierl> Travis-42: wow - ok.  For me, launching synaptic actually works and accepts my current password.  Launching Update Manager and hitting "Install" asks for the "local-admin" (which is the first user I created) password
[15:12] <Travis-42> Dr_Willis: me either
[15:13] <mbeierl> anyone know why gnome-control-center and libgnome-window-settings1 are kept back?
[15:13] <Travis-42> i'm going to try a fresh user administrator and see what happens
[15:14] <Travis-42> see if it's a user specific configuration problem
[15:15] <mbeierl> anyone know from where policykit gets the user name to launch?
[15:15] <leleobhz> [RE-ASKING]: Noone know this wireless issue after 2.6.31 update: [02/10-11:04:17] < shotcult> tulio
[15:15] <leleobhz> [02/10-11:04:26] < shotcult> eu era estagiario dele
[15:15] <leleobhz> ops..
[15:15] <leleobhz> sorry
[15:15] <leleobhz> [RE-ASKING]: Noone know this wireless issue after 2.6.31 update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/435141
 ikt: depends on whether you like the "service" :) <- oh I do :)
[15:17] <joaopinto> leleobhz, 5100 AGN works fin
[15:17] <leleobhz> joaopinto: but my atheros dont work
[15:17] <leleobhz> Linux astra 2.6.31-11-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 25 06:37:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:17] <leleobhz> same error reported within the bug
[15:18] <joaopinto> erm, you mentioned intel, so it's an athros fater all ?
[15:18] <eagles0513875> strangeness
[15:18] <leleobhz> joaopinto: this bug isnt mine
[15:18] <leleobhz> but the issue is the same
[15:18] <leleobhz> wireless cannot get up
[15:19] <leleobhz> with same error
[15:21] <joaopinto> leleobhz, that is a generic failure, usually related to the wifi driver, better a file a bug report specific for the atheros model
[15:21] <joaopinto> better to
[15:21] <Travis-42> ok it's a specific user configuration issue, creating a new user lets me access synaptic just fine.
[15:22] <eagles0513875> leleobhz: whats the wifi error
[15:22] <JoshuaL> is it normal for karmic that the notifier shows up at this weird position?
[15:22] <JoshuaL> normally it would show up a few pixels below the panel
[15:22] <JoshuaL> now the space between the panel and the notify is hufe
[15:22] <JoshuaL> huge*
[15:23] <eagles0513875> !line | JoshuaL
[15:23] <eagles0513875> JoshuaL: try keep everything in one line please
[15:23] <JoshuaL> sorry for so many enters
[15:23] <rickogden> hi all
[15:24] <rickogden> When I try to boot off the Karmick CD I get the message "Checking battery state..." followed by "...done" and then nothing happens. Anyone else experienced this?
[15:25] <leleobhz> eagles0513875: ?
[15:25] <eagles0513875> leleobhz: ignore me just read up in the chat
[15:25] <leleobhz> :]
[15:26] <leleobhz> i dont think its a good idea fill another bug, because may it create a duplicate
[15:26] <leleobhz> i think someone experienced with kernel should read te bug and decide if its the same or not
[15:28] <eagles0513875> leleobhz: in regards to the kernel there is ubuntu-kernel channel i believe
[15:29] <Ali_> hi i just upgraded to karmic and now get no sound!
[15:29] <rsk> :<
[15:29] <rsk> report a bug
[15:29] <leleobhz> before bug report
[15:30] <leleobhz> run alsa diagnosis script
[15:30] <Technoviking> wow, never seen the update server so affected by a beta before
[15:30] <eagles0513875> i need to hack at alsa when i have some time leleobhz
[15:30] <leleobhz> Ali_: http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh
[15:30] <eagles0513875> i have no sound on my duelboot setup
[15:30] <eagles0513875> probably need to recompile alsa
[15:30] <DrHalan> hey i can'T boot any kernel > 2.6.31-4. anyone?
[15:31] <Flynsarmy> What're the benefits of empathy over pidgin? why'd they switch?
[15:31] <Ali_> thanks leleobhz
[15:32] <joaopinto> Flynsarmy, it's better integrated with gnome, and provides some design advantages over pidding, easier to integrate, but don't ask me specifics :)
[15:32] <Ali_> so what do i do with that leleobhz ?
[15:32] <Ali_> leleobhz, it seems to be a script
[15:32] <joaopinto> pidgin
[15:33] <leleobhz> Ali_: yes
[15:33] <leleobhz> this script is a diagnostic for alsa
[15:33] <Ali_> aah ok cool
[15:33] <Ali_> thanks leleobhz
[15:33] <leleobhz> alsa people always ask you for this output
[15:33] <leleobhz> print the output in you bug report, can be helpfull
[15:33] <Ali_> also what is kacpid? it is taking 60% of my cpu after upgrading
[15:33] <leleobhz> o.0
[15:34] <Ali_> and
[15:34] <Ali_> everything is super slow
[15:34] <Ali_> everything is taking ages to respond
[15:34] <Ali_> like clicking etc
[15:35] <Boohbah> Ali_: kernel advanced configuration and power interface daemon
[15:35] <Boohbah> Ali_: what hardware?
[15:35] <Ali_> so Boohbah why is it taking 60% of my cpu? and everything is hanging
[15:36] <Boohbah> Ali_: what kernel?
[15:36] <Ali_> 2.6.31-10-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP
[15:36] <Ali_> i just upgraded to karmic
[15:37] <Boohbah> Flynsarmy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
[15:37] <Ali_> 2.6.31-10-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Boohbah
[15:37] <Ali_> i just upgraded to karmic, Boohbah
[15:38] <Boohbah> hmm let me try that kernel
[15:39] <Ali_> WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release.
[15:39] <Ali_> i ranm that script Boohbah
[15:39] <Boohbah> oh
[15:39] <Ali_> but not sure where the info is
[15:39] <Ali_> it says it will be on their server or something
[15:39] <Boohbah> i don't use nvidia drivers, but that could be a cause of acpi trouble.
[15:39] <Ali_> oh
[15:40] <Ali_> what about the sound?
[15:40] <Boohbah> what about it?
[15:40] <Ali_> it aint working after the upgrade :)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> the upgrade servers particularly the release server is getting hit hard at least my local one is
[15:42] <Boohbah> hmm, i can't even boot 2.6.31-10-generic but that is my own failure
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. medibuntu seems also slooooooooow
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:43] <Ali_> i dunno what to do
[15:43] <Ali_> my machine has become slowwwwwwwww and the sound has gone :'(
[15:43] <Ali_> i have two sound cards and i know the inbuiilt one was never working but the other one was working before the upgrade
[15:43] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: hell this is like a release day yet we still on beta
[15:43] <siretart`> hm. just upgraded to karmic, now empathy and epiphany segfault on start. however, empathy does not segfault when starting via remote-X.. any ideas?
[15:43] <Ali_> i have no idea how to choose which sound card to use
[15:43] <Boohbah> Ali_: hmm i just booted 2.6.31-11-generic successfully after 2.6.31-10-generic failed, try 11
[15:43] <Ali_> how do i get 11 Boohbah ?
[15:44] <Ali_> The following packages have been kept back: gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse mailutils usb-creator
[15:44] <Ali_> also what does that mean pls?
[15:44] <Boohbah> Ali_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:45] <Boohbah> Ali_: dist-upgrade will upgrade packages that have been kept back
[15:45] <Ali_> aah ok cool
[15:45] <Ali_> and how do i upgrade the kernel pls?
[15:45] <joaopinto> Ali_, it means the upgrade requires packages to be added/removed, such requires a dist-upgrade
[15:45] <Ali_> [sorry for all these questions - i'm still pretty new[
[15:45] <Boohbah> Ali_: the update & dist-upgrade should update the kernel
[15:45] <joaopinto> Ali_, 2.6.31-11 should come from the upgrade...
[15:46] <Ali_> ok i did that
[15:46] <Ali_> but it doesnt upgrade the kernel :
[15:46] <Ali_> :S
[15:46] <joaopinto> Ali_, apt-cache policy linux-image
[15:47] <Ali_> Candidate: 2.6.31.10.21
[15:47] <Ali_> Version table: 2.6.31.10.21
[15:47] <joaopinto> none installed ?
[15:47] <Ali_> Installed: (none)
[15:47] <legend2440> are the Main and US servers down? i can't update
[15:48] <Pici> !slow | legend2440
[15:48] <Boohbah> legend2440: mirrors are under heavy load with beta release...
[15:48] <JanC> legend2440: they are slow I think
[15:48] <Boohbah> Pici: that's the trigger i was looking for
[15:48] <legend2440> ok thanks
[15:48] <joaopinto> Ali_, apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.31-11-generic
[15:48] <Ali_> Unable to locate package
[15:49] <joaopinto> Ali_, your mirror is not updated
[15:49] <Ali_> aah
[15:49] <joaopinto> Ali_, apt-get update was successfull right ?
[15:49] <Boohbah> Ali_: sudo apt-get update
[15:49] <eagles0513875> well mine ar all bogged down joaopinto
[15:49] <Ali_> did that joaopinto and Boohbah
[15:49] <Boohbah> could be lagging mirrors... try another?
[15:50] <joaopinto> Ali_, if update did not fail and the package is not available, it means your mirror is out dated
[15:50] <Ali_> ok
[15:50] <joaopinto> I am assuming your repositories are properly setup for karmic also
[15:50] <Ali_> i presume that too
[15:50] <Ali_> cos i upgraded :)
[15:50] <Ali_> so i change it in software sources
[15:50] <Ali_> ?
[15:52] <Ali_> aah found it
[15:54] <mbeierl> anyone know if the grey icons for nm-applet and others are going to change prior to the release?
[15:56] <joaopinto> mbeierl, I hope so, they look disabled to me
[15:56] <eagles0513875> blimey
[15:56] <eagles0513875> hehe downloading updates bout 30kbps lol
[15:56] <eagles0513875> servers must be getting hammered too hard
[15:57] <BluesKaj> yeah , was getting 50 here
[16:00] <eagles0513875> down to 27 now BluesKaj
[16:03] <JoshuaL> i installed karmic beta, now it says my username in the indicator applet instead of my fullname like it did in 9.04
[16:03] <JoshuaL> how to change it back to my fullname?
[16:04] <joaopinto> JoshuaL, not sure if there is such an option, someone on #ubuntu-desktop maybe h
[16:04] <joaopinto> able to help, or not :P
[16:04] <JoshuaL> it happend after the upgrade :p
[16:05] <JoshuaL> i thinkt hey will send me to this channel
[16:05] <joaopinto> well, that is the new default behavior
[16:05] <joaopinto> i don't know if there is an option to change that, and it is the desktop team that is responsible for such changes
[16:05] <joaopinto> but yet, they might send you here :P
[16:06] <JoshuaL> ill try it there
[16:08] <spreadthelove> what is the command for updating to karmic in the terminal the gui doesnt want to work for some reason
[16:09] <raphaelwb> I have problems (Mic low volume) in karmic Koala (Vostro 1510 Realtek High Definition Audio). Can you help?
[16:10] <stefg> !sound | raphaelwb
[16:11] <genii> spreadthelove: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:11] <spreadthelove> thanks!
[16:11] <raphaelwb> tks ... will try
[16:13] <spreadthelove> im also trying to access the university of auburn's vpn service but the cisco client they gave me is crap
[16:13] <spreadthelove> what would you sugges i use instead
[16:13] <JoshuaL> how to change the position of the notify-osd notifications?
[16:13] <JoshuaL> brb reboot
[16:14] <knittl> can anybody help getting my rhythmbox to work?
[16:14] <knittl> it always complains about autoaudiosink not found
[16:14] <AlanBell> knittl: depends how broken it is
[16:15] <knittl> AlanBell: sound in my totem wasn't working
[16:15] <AlanBell> knittl: what is your soundcar
[16:15] <AlanBell> soundcard
[16:15] <knittl> so i hunted it down and it worked flawless in a new account
[16:15] <knittl> after copying over all config folders it stopped working in my other account too
[16:15] <knittl> so i selectively deleted folders
[16:16] <knittl> after deleting .pulse-cookie und .pulse/ sound worked again
[16:16] <knittl> so i did the same on my main acconut
[16:16] <knittl> sound works in totem now
[16:16] <knittl> but it stopped working in rhythmbox a few days later
[16:16] <knittl> autoaudiosink missing. search for suitable plugins?
[16:16] <knittl> but it does not find any plugins
[16:16] <AlanBell> is this on Jaunty?
[16:16] <knittl> i've already installed gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio, plugins-good and plugins-bad
[16:17] <knittl> AlanBell: no, it's on karmic
[16:17] <knittl> but sound in totem wasn't working in jaunty either
[16:17] <knittl> my soundcard is an intel one
[16:18] <joaopinto> knittl, I had a similar issue with my sound, it was fixed by apt-get purge, apt-get install onl pulseaudio
[16:18] <knittl> joaopinto: ok. pulseaudio you says
[16:18] <knittl> * say?
[16:18] <joaopinto> yes,
[16:19] <knittl> btw, when starting rhythmbox in a terminal i get the following error message:
[16:19] <joaopinto> my problem was a bit funnier, only flas was playing, no other app
[16:19] <knittl> WARNING: Unhandled message: interface=org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable, path=/, member=Introspect
[16:19] <knittl> Rhythmbox-Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|rhythmbox|GStreamer element autoaudiosink|element-autoaudiosink
[16:19] <knittl> sound is really buggy since last week again
[16:19] <joaopinto> ok, you have a very diffrent problem
[16:19] <knittl> it also stutters in vlc
[16:19] <joaopinto> better file a bug report or search for it
[16:19] <knittl> i searched for it, but haven't found any similar bug report yet
[16:20] <knittl> and i was too lazy to write a report. wanted to fix it myself before reporting
[16:20] <spreadthelove> is human-login still an available theme in the beta?
[16:21] <spreadthelove> its the black one with white higllights
[16:21] <johnfg> hi guys
[16:21] <spreadthelove> high
[16:21] <Jaymac> got a usb stick that mounts but won't let me browse it... other usb sticks work fine on my system though.  it's a bit odd - it was the usb stick i used to install netbook remix on an acer so it works fine, and i've reformatted it to factory settings
[16:22] <knittl> joaopinto: purging and reinstalling didn't help my issue :(
[16:22] <joaopinto> Jaymac, have you checcked "dmesg", for errors ?
[16:22] <joaopinto> knittl, your seems to be gstreamer related, unlike mine
[16:22] <johnfg> I just went to a new console: ctl-alt-f2, and ran sudo update-manager -d, per the upgrade instructions.
[16:22] <knittl> no packages with the requested plugins found. the requested plugins are: gstreamer element autoaudiosink
[16:23] <johnfg> But it returns the error: Runtime error: could not open display.
[16:23] <Jaymac> joaopinto, not yet, looking through the ubuntu fora - it seems like other people have problems with transcend sticks too
[16:23] <johnfg> What's up with that?
[16:23] <Pici> johnfg: update-manager requires X.
[16:23] <joaopinto> Jaymac, update-manager is graphical
[16:24] <johnfg> Pici: I wonder why the instructions say to ctl-alt-f2 then?
[16:24] <joaopinto> you want do-release-upgrade for text upgrade
[16:24] <knittl> so maybe i should uninstall gstreamer*
[16:24] <johnfg> joaopinto: Is that: "do-release-upgrade"?
[16:24] <Pici> johnfg: It says to use alt-f2, thats the shortcut for the gnome applauncher
[16:24] <joaopinto> if you are running X, keep with the update-manager
[16:25] <joaopinto> like Pici is explaining :P
[16:25] <mvo_> johnfg: it was probably just "alt-f2" (without the ctrl)
[16:25] <Pici> johnfg: Rather the gnome run tool.  I forget the actual name at the moment.
[16:25] <knittl> hm no. that's probably not a good idea xD
[16:25] <johnfg> Oops, my bad, too used to using the ctl-alt-f2 to go to an new tty.
[16:27] <Amaranth> Pici: It doesn't really have a name
[16:27] <Amaranth> it's a part of the panel and the title of the window is "Run Application"
[16:27] <Crashbit> Hey! I have "quiet splash" in /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but during the boot ubuntu doesn't display logo. I only view blank screen with fsck and other init scripts
[16:28] <Jaymac> joaopinto, this is the output of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d4be60638
[16:28] <Amaranth> Crashbit: That's expected, the idea is for xsplash to start fast enough to take over
[16:29] <joaopinto> Jaymac, I see no error that I can'e help you abot
[16:29] <Amaranth> Crashbit: although if fsck actually starts running instead of just checking or if you have to put in an encryption password you'll get the splash again that boot
[16:29] <joaopinto> can you pastebin your sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb ?
[16:30] <Jaymac> http://pastebin.com/d50700ff1
[16:31] <mercutio221> crap... the installer seems to have halted at 83 %.. It says "creating user".. theres plenty of HD activity. Should I wait more? Its been there for 30 minutes
[16:31] <Jaymac> it's working now, but it takes about 10 minutes from plugging it in and double clicking on it to gain access to the folder
[16:31] <Jaymac> even though it appears as mounted instantly
[16:32] <Jaymac> mercutio221, don't worry, it took me about 5 minutes at that step - it will get past it
[16:32] <dominic__> Hi
[16:32] <Jaymac> mercutio221, suddenly the cd will whirr into life again :)
[16:32] <joaopinto> erm, 5 minutes on the creating user phase ?
[16:33] <Jaymac> yeah it froze on 83% for me
[16:33] <joaopinto> I didn't experienced that
[16:33] <joaopinto> mercutio221, that's not expected
[16:33] <mercutio221> ok.. I will give it some more time
[16:34] <mercutio221> maybe my image is corrupted... How do I check MD5 hashes again?
[16:34] <joaopinto> mercutio221, md5sum file.iso
[16:34] <joaopinto> you should check that before installing ;)
[16:35] <joaopinto> where can mercutio221 check for the installation log, something more low level ?
[16:35] <joaopinto> sometimes I miss the alternate installer :P
[16:35] <joaopinto> are the logs frm the livecd installer sent to a tty ?
[16:37] <dominic__> i prefer the live cd installer
[16:37] <dominic__> though i've never used the alternative
[16:37] <dominic__> or the graphical one from the disc itself
[16:37] <Arc> just upgraded to 9.10 beta, firefox opens but neither 3.0 or 3.5 render anything in the window.  i tried removing and reinstalling firefox package, no dice.  advice?
[16:37] <mercutio221> I am using a live usb installer. it's the UNR version for netbooks
[16:37] <spreadthelove> omg this is slow lol
[16:38] <spreadthelove> any links to an iso?
[16:38] <mercutio221> joaopinto: ok, I got a hash number.
[16:39] <joaopinto> Arc, try to rename your firefox settings folder
[16:40] <joaopinto> Arc, close firefox
[16:40] <joaopinto> go to your home dir, ctrl-h to show hidden dirs
[16:40] <joaopinto> rename .mozilla to .mozilla.old
[16:40] <joaopinto> and try starting firefox
[16:41] <robertj> is there a list somewhere of mirrors that are carrying karmic beta?
[16:41] <Arc> wait
[16:41] <Arc> ... it works in windowed mode only, not fullscreen?
[16:42] <mercutio221> damn... it has halted for good
[16:42] <mercutio221> I will have to retry
[16:42] <danbhfive_jaunty> !torrent | robertj
[16:42] <spreadthelove> im with robertj this is going really slow
[16:42] <danbhfive_jaunty> oops
[16:42] <robertj> I don't want a torrent
[16:42] <robertj> I want to dist-upgrade
[16:42] <Arc> what the bloody..
[16:42] <robertj> or use update-manager
[16:42] <Arc> ok that just crashed my entire session
[16:42] <danbhfive_jaunty> robertj: I used the mirror selector, and that's working good
[16:43] <Arc> obviously a bug needs to be filed, but i don't know how to classify this
[16:43] <robertj> danbhfive_jaunty: where is that at?
[16:43] <danbhfive_jaunty> software sources
[16:43] <dash> good morning. anyone know about using karmic on a mac pro? specifically i'm wondering about getting sound to work
[16:43] <dash> aplay -l reports an ALC889A
[16:44] <robertj> danbhfive_jaunty: but won't most mirrors not be carrying karmic until it finalizes?
[16:44] <Arc> AH.  compiz was enabled on a radion 9250 video card, i just noticed the background and icons were not displaying either
[16:44] <Arc> apparently out of video ram?
[16:44] <dash> but I get no audio either via pulse or using ALSA directly
[16:45] <dash> I have a non-Mac box with the same audio chipset, and it works. Is there variation in kernel module options even for the same chipset?
[16:45] <danbhfive_jaunty> robertj: well, Ill check.  I'm currently upgrading an old jaunty test install, in preparation of upgrading to the beta
[16:45] <vigo> dash: am looking.
[16:46] <robertj> mine is hanging on mirror deteect anyway
[16:47] <Lazy> any tips for my sound problems? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8040771
[16:47] <dash> Lazy: hmm. pastebin what 'aplay -l' prints?
[16:48] <vigo> dash: Tell me if this one helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[16:48] <dash> vigo: no, 'cause that's for different hardware.
[16:48] <dash> this is a desktop machine
[16:48] <Lazy> http://pastebin.com/m4c0ef8f2
[16:49] <vigo> dash: it has some lines or commands ,oh, ok,,,
[16:49] <mulch> what kernel version is used in 9.10?
[16:49] <dash> mulch: i've got 2.6.31-11
[16:49] <rsk> mulch: 2.6.31
[16:50] <dash> vigo: Hmm. They recommend a newer version of alsa, i might try that anyway
[16:50] <mulch> will it switch to 2.6.32 before release?
[16:50] <rsk> no
[16:50] <robertj> but it seems as a matter of practice if one of your sources is timing out selecting a mirror with the gui is nigh impossible
[16:51] <vigo> dash: okee dokee, still looking,,,
[16:51] <Lazy> dash: do you see anything that might cause my problems?
[16:51] <dash> vigo: thanks
[16:51] <dash> Lazy: well it at least detects your card exists, that's a start :)
[16:51] <danbhfive_jaunty> robertj: well, its working for me.  I had timeouts on the mirror, and now its working great.  1mB/s
[16:52] <dash> Lazy: I guess the main other thing I'd think of is 'alsamixer -c 0' like you said
[16:52] <vigo> dash: Is it a MacTel?
[16:52] <dash> vigo: yep, 2009 mac pro
[16:52] <Arc> how to report a bug regarding video drivers vs compiz?
[16:53] <vigo> dash: MacTel starts here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[16:53] <danbhfive_jaunty> is it ubuntu-bug linux?
[16:53] <spreadthelove> could i use the 600 meg desktop live cd as an upgrade cd?
[16:53] <spreadthelove> i dont have any dvd-r's
[16:53] <dash> vigo: yeah, no info about the 2009 model though
[16:53] <danbhfive_jaunty> spreadthelove: no
[16:53] <spreadthelove> :( awww
[16:53] <dash> vigo: thanks for your help, i'm going to try this alsa snapshot.
[16:54] <vigo> spreadthelove: Try an Alternate Install?
[16:54] <SEJeff> Is it known that a bunch of packages in karmic are returning 404 on the USC ubuntu mirror?
[16:54] <spreadthelove> *cancles download
[16:54] <SEJeff> Or is that more widespread because the packages were bad?
[16:54] <spreadthelove> what is an alternate install
[16:54] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, non-gui text based installer
[16:54] <robertj> well when I put in a working mirror it works
[16:54] <danbhfive_jaunty> spreadthelove: its the cd that you can upgrade from, etc
[16:54] <joaopinto> SEJeff, mirror errors are common during beta & releases, just change your mirror
[16:54] <robertj> the british site works fine for me
[16:54] <robertj> even though Im in the states
[16:54] <Arc> hey guys?  i'm a beta tester and Ubuntu member, I am asking where and how I should file this bug regarding radion 9250 cards and compiz in the 9.10 configuration
[16:54] <vigo> dash: You are very welcome, I hope that helped.
[16:54] <spreadthelove> will it screw all the data i have?
[16:55] <spreadthelove> or just update?
[16:55] <SEJeff> joaopinto, Yeah it just sucks. That mirror is 14ms away from here :(
[16:55] <rsk> Arc: on launchpad
[16:55] <Arc> i don't see a way of doing this via apport
[16:55] <vigo> !bugs
[16:55] <SEJeff> robertj, Can you post 1 deb line from your sources.list? I'll edit the rest with sed
[16:55] <SEJeff> Or just the url
[16:55] <Arc> rsk: where on launchpad?  i don't know which launchpad project oversees this
[16:56] <robertj> I just nuked it, sorry
[16:56] <robertj> all servers were the us archive servers though
[16:56] <hggdh> anyone experiencing very slow network on Beta?
[16:56] <Arc> i don't know which package or application is causing the problem, i can easily repeat the bug but that doesn't tell me who's package is responsible for it
[16:56] <mulch> will 10.04 be closely based on 9.10 (i.e. more closely than the typical ubuntu+1) or will it suffer significant changes?
[16:57] <hggdh> mulch: we may have gnome3 on 10.4
[16:57] <Pici> mulch: Since its an LTS release there will not be major changes.
[16:57] <SEJeff> mulch, It will be like every ubuntu release... based on a snapshot of Debian at the time and then stabilized. The packageset will just be more conservative because it is LTS
[16:57] <Arc> i assume the bug report will need to include glxinfo dump
[16:57] <spreadthelove> :D its alot faster in utah
[16:57] <mulch> Pici: yes, this was the reasoning behind my question too
[16:58] <robertj> welp, off to lunch whilst an 800 meg download goes
[16:58] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, Can you beat this? http://www.digitalprognosis.com/pics/whoa-upgrade.png
[16:58] <SEJeff> That was my upgrade to karmic
[16:59] <Arc> is there a ubuntu+1 developer channel or forum that posting this question to would be more helpful?
[16:59] <johnfg> spreadthelove: Utah?  I'm almost next door in Montana!
[16:59] <spreadthelove> no lol thats one closest to me
[17:00] <spreadthelove> im in auburn
[17:00] <SEJeff> Arc report a bug in lp against compiz. The triagers will put it in the right place if that is wrong
[17:00] <spreadthelove> lol
[17:00] <Lazy> dash: would it help if i posted my "alsamixer -c 0" screenshot. and by the way, "alsamixer" also shows the correct device now. i don't know if removing those .asound files made that
[17:00] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: use the ubuntu-bug thing
[17:00] <johnfg> auburn, michigan?  Home of the Pistons
[17:00] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: Ill try to find a link
[17:00] <SEJeff> The us archive seems to be having network issues
[17:00] <mulch> SEJeff: conservative as in older application versions or as in no new "approaches" (new features, new applications, etc)
[17:00] <Pici> Arc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[17:01] <SEJeff> mulch, 10.04 will likely not have gnome 3
[17:01] <RainCT> Hi
[17:01] <SEJeff> Just like the last LTS was flamed for not having KDE4 when it was brand new
[17:01] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:01] <Arc> so "ubuntu-bug compiz" will do the right thing?  how do I specify what the exact bug is?
[17:01] <jcastro> do ubuntu-bug --help
[17:01] <Arc> danbhfive_jaunty: i'm on that page already
[17:01] <Pici> mulch: It might be in there optionally, but theres very little chance that it will be the default.
[17:01] <jcastro> it'll show all the options
[17:01] <mulch> SEJeff: 8.04 had pulseaudio :)
[17:01] <jcastro> there's a flag to attach stuff to an existing bug
[17:02] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: well, it may not be a bug in compiz, but the driver
[17:02] <spreadthelove> whats a good vpn that has a gui that is able to connect to something requiring a cisco vpn?
[17:02] <Arc> danbhfive_jaunty: or compiz is just trying to use textures beyond the maximum size permitted by the GPU
[17:02] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, networkmanager-vpnc / vpnc
[17:02] <Arc> arc@aegon:~$ ubuntu-bug --help
[17:02] <Arc> Usage: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug <pid>|<symptom name>|<package name>|<program path>|<.crash file>
[17:02] <Arc> what flag?
[17:02] <mulch> SEJeff: however, there was no kubuntu lts either
[17:03] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: yeah, if you think it is compiz, then just to exactly as you wrote
[17:03] <freenose> Are guys having problems with ubuntu US mirror?
[17:03] <danbhfive_jaunty> *do
[17:03] <SEJeff> Well canonical is still a small company. They have more gnomers than kde guys.
[17:03] <SEJeff> freenose, Yes, switch to gb.archive.ubuntu.com. It works
[17:03] <RainCT> WLAN just stopped working on my netbook (EeePC 1005HA, after updating binutils, guile, perl, update-manager, but dunno how those could have caused it), nm-applet shows it as disabled. Any idea, or anyone else with the same problem?
[17:03] <spreadthelove> im trying to connect to the auburn student vpn
[17:03] <freenose> SEJeff: thanks
[17:03] <spreadthelove> it wont let me
[17:03] <Arc> how do I write a text message along with the bug to explain that it relates to the background, icons, and windows not being displayed when set greater to a size, and occassionally crashing X?
[17:03] <danbhfive_jaunty> freenose: I used the mirror selector and it worked great
[17:03] <SEJeff> mulch, You can't demand everything when someone else is spending money to give you something for free :D
[17:03] <spreadthelove> i tried vpnc
[17:03] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: there will be a guide
[17:04] <mulch> SEJeff: any known reasons why gnomers were a majority?
[17:04] <mulch> SEJeff: true
[17:04] <freenose> danbhfive_jaunty: ok
[17:04] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, vpnc works fine. I've used it with 3-4 cisco vpns
[17:04] <jpds> mulch: Because GNOME was chosen due to its 6 month release cycle?
[17:04] <SEJeff> mulch, Because Shuttleworth started Ubuntu as a gnome distro? Sorry I dont work for Canonical or know. Just a user
[17:05] <jcastro> Arc: it's -c #####. Hah, if it's not in the --help then there's another bug.
[17:05] <jpds> mulch: There was no Kubuntu LTS due to KDE4.
[17:05] <Arc> jcastro: yes that is another bug
[17:05] <Arc> danbhfive_jaunty: negatory.  it just submitted a bug without opening any browser window or telling me the bug ID
[17:05] <spreadthelove> SEJeff: when it asks for IPSec secret the cisco vpn given to me had option to input that
[17:05] <mulch> jpds: do you think the 6 month release cycle was what mattered most?
[17:05] <jcastro> Arc: tow in a row, you're on fire!
[17:05] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, Thats the group secret
[17:06] <spreadthelove> there is none as far as i know
[17:06] <Arc> and I have not setup apport with my launchpad login so there isn't even contact information for anyone to get back to me :-/
[17:06] <SEJeff> You have a group, a group secret, a user, and a user password.
[17:06] <jpds> mulch: *shrug*, ubuntu wanted a 6 month release time, so it seemed fitting I guess.
[17:06] <SEJeff> spreadthelove, Well you should ask the university. It might just be blank? It works for me with several cisco vpns
[17:06] <mulch> jpds: i suspect the real reason was lgpl vs gpl
[17:06] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: weird, I did it on karmic and that's what happened.  I don't know
[17:07] <Arc> arc@aegon:~$ ubuntu-bug -c "ubuntu-bug --help does not show -c flag" ubuntu-bug
[17:07] <Arc> Usage: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug <pid>|<symptom name>|<package name>|<program path>|<.crash file>
[17:07] <jpds> mulch: Hmm.
[17:07] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: did you try ubuntu-bug compiz  ?
[17:08] <Arc> danbhfive_jaunty: yes. it collected info, and i sent it, and it gave me a progress bar, and that's all she wrote
[17:08] <Arc> i should likely note that /usr/bin/firefox does not exist on my system, i had to update the icon to /usr/bin/firefox-3.5 for it to work
[17:09] <danbhfive_jaunty> Arc: oh, maybe that's the issue
[17:10] <mac_v> Arc: thats a known firefox issue...
[17:10] <joaopinto> Arc, if there is no /usr/bin/firefox on your system, something was really wrong with the upgrade
[17:10] <mac_v> let me get you the bug
[17:10] <Arc> yes it was the problem.  created a symlink manually just now, and now ubuntu-bug does pull up a new tab
[17:10] <Arc> joaopinto: likely because i had a 3rd party firefox 3.5 installed on 9.04
[17:10] <dash> vigo: Well it turns out that it helps a lot if you plug your headphones into the output jack instead of the input one
[17:10] <joaopinto> ah ok :P
[17:11] <freenose> gb.archive is not up to date :/
[17:11] <jpds> freenose: Oh?
[17:11] <mac_v> Arc: Bug #401055 , apport sometimes just drops the crash but sometimes you get the error when you start ubuntu-bug from the terminal
[17:11] <vigo> dash: Now that is a good one!
[17:12] <danbhfive_jaunty> freenose: I'm getting the same issue with northeastern, and rit
[17:12] <pecisk> hi people, anyone has Ubuntu karmic live cd beta downloaded? From main server is very slow
[17:13] <jpds> pecisk: Yes, try using a local mirror.
[17:13] <jpds> Or torrents.
[17:13] <freenose> danbhfive_jaunty: I see
[17:13] <jpds> freenose: How is it out of date?
[17:14] <freenose> jpds: because when I did aptitude update on us.archive I had more packages to upgrade(56) with gb.archive it only shows 2
[17:14] <SEJeff> pecisk, Use bittorrent
[17:14] <freenose> I need to update to be able to boot my system, there's a fix
[17:14] <jpds> freenose: Well, it will sync at some point in the near future.
[17:15] <freenose> yeah, I'll wait
[17:15] <jbicha> does xforcevesa work at all from liveCD?
[17:17] <Lazy> is there anyone who could give further tips how i should debug my audio problem?
[17:19] <jpds> Lazy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[17:19] <Lazy> jpds: thanks
[17:20] <Lazy> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8996/screenshotalsa1.png
[17:20] <Lazy> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8981/screenshotalsa2.png
[17:21] <Lazy> jpds: does this look correct to you?
[17:21] <Lazy> i'm using analog outputs for 5.1
[17:23] <Arc> thanks everyone :-)  Bug #440684 has been filed
[17:23] <Arc> spooky timing
[17:25] <ubuntu0ath1> How can I enable double tap on my laptop  ?
[17:25] <wastrel> bug 31337
[17:26] <Arc> oh wait the bot responds to bug #124519
[17:26] <Arc> got it
[17:27] <wastrel> ubuntu0ath1: it's not in the mouse/pointer preferences?
[17:27] <ubuntu0ath1> wastrel: thanks forgot to look there
[17:28] <c_korn> against what package should I file the bug that karmic is half-translated for me ?
[17:29] <robin0800> ubuntu0ath1: there is a touchpad program in software centre but that does not appear to do doule tap
[17:29] <ubuntu0ath1> robin0800: thanks for the tip
[17:29] <wastrel> gpointing-device-settings   maybe
[17:30] <wastrel> i'm not at home so i dn't have access to my koala atm
[17:31] <robin0800> wastrel: gpointing-device-settings is not installed by default either
[17:31] <wastrel> no it's not
[17:31] <wastrel> i installed it enable 2 finger horizontal scrolling
[17:32] <robin0800> wastrel: I only installed touchpad to turn it off
[17:32] <wastrel> heh
[17:33] <wastrel> i use it for scrolling only forthe most part.
[17:33] <wastrel> i have touchpoint for actually moving the pointer
[17:33] <robin0800> wastrel: My miny mouse has a wheel
[17:34] <ubuntu0ath1> Main servers are still under heavy load :[
[17:35] <freenose> that's good :-)
[17:35] <robin0800> I dowloaded last night
[17:37] <ubuntu0ath1> My mirror hasn't synced yet, so I switched to the main servers, but I guess I will wait for the mirror sync..I'm waiting for a few updates
[17:38] <siganderson> I installed emesene 1.5 on kubuntu karmic koala beta, I can't connect because I can't write in the username field! What happened?
[17:39] <Arc> yea im not going to upgrade my 64-bit system until the mirrors propigate more, i only got about 24k download last night, took about 8 hours
[17:40] <arand> Mmmm, slow servers...
[17:41] <arand> Or rather, loaded
[17:42] <SEJeff> Yeah beta downloads are hammering them
[17:42] <TeLe> im updating repos at only 25k
[17:47] <huston> where do i report this? I Downloaded the 64 bit version of the 9.10 beta and just for kicks i activated the wubi installer. as soon as the wubi installer was activated Norton Anti-Virus reported a Virus was discovered on my system, about 30 seconds later it reported the virus was now quarantined. Obviously the 64 bit ISO has aVirus in it considering i was not connected to the internet when this occured.
[17:47] <sunshinepants> update complete.. pretty darn fast boot.  don't get a grub splash though (intel)
[17:47] <ubuntu0ath1> huston: try the wubi forums
[17:47] <Arc> huston: Obviously Norton Antivirus misdetected
[17:51] <Martyn> Agreed.
[17:51] <hifi> how do you upgrade from KDE to karmic beta
[17:51] <Martyn> I just scanned with Kasp and it was fine
[17:52] <Martyn> Kbuntu?
[17:52] <hifi> yeah
[17:52] <joaopinto> !upgrade
[17:52] <Martyn> there will be a kbuntu built with 9.10 in the directory
[17:52] <Martyn> I assume you could just do a dist-upgrade
[17:52] <huston> hmm. that's strange.
[17:52] <hifi> thats not the recommended way, I can always use do-system-upgrade but I thought there'd be some kubuntu specific way too
[17:53] <tgpraveen> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581488
[17:53] <arand> 80k/min, bleh we're almost back on dial up with this load...
[17:53] <hifi> ah, there is
[17:53] <hifi> are nvidia blobs working with the beta?
[17:53] <joaopinto> hum, there is a kupdate-manager ?
[17:54] <arand> s/min/sec/
[17:54] <hifi> joaopinto: something else according to the upgrade guide
[17:54] <Pici> hifi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:54] <ubuntu0ath1> hifi: yes nvidia works fine
[17:54] <hifi> nice
[17:54] <joaopinto> oh, there is a -kde :)
[17:58] <hifi> my wife will kill me if this fails, fingers crossed
[17:59] <jbicha> nvidia doesn't work for me
[17:59] <joaopinto> hifi, you understand the meaning of beta right :P ?
[17:59] <doktoreas> anyone using kamric can try to open this site?
[17:59] <doktoreas> https://trac.faunalia.it/
[17:59] <doktoreas> i recive an xml error
[17:59] <joaopinto> beta and wife is not a good idea :P
[18:00] <TeLe> is there a repo for xserver 1.7?
[18:00] <hifi> joaopinto: thats just more excitement!
[18:00] <robin0800> doktoreas: the site has a bad/wrong certificate according to firefox
[18:01] <doktoreas> I recive an error about xml
[18:01] <hifi> though the kde one for upgrading isn't very informative
[18:01] <doktoreas> xml interpreter
[18:01] <hifi> afer I pressed upgrade the window vent away and nothing happens
[18:01] <doktoreas> robin0800, http://nopaste.com/p/a9KYGhqJM
[18:02] <robin0800> doktoreas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/283987/
[18:03] <doktoreas> robin0800, which locale do you use?
[18:04] <doktoreas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/429835
[18:04] <doktoreas> it's related to this
[18:08] <nemo> Hm. When they say compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
[18:08] <nemo> they aren't kidding :(
[18:08] <nemo> the package hasn't even been updated
[18:08] <sdest> is there somewhere to see if they are going to include the newest libsensors to support the i7 processors?
[18:08] <nemo> even though it is tagged as karmic
[18:08] <nemo> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't activate plugin 'atlantis'
[18:08] <nemo> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'core' has ABI version '20090619', expected ABI version '20090207'.
[18:09] <nemo> :(
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> i imagine the versions the beta has now.. will be the versions they will stay with
[18:13] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: we don't even have such a package
[18:14] <Amaranth> guy is using a jaunty ppa or something
[18:14] <Amaranth> nemo: you'd have to build the plugins yourself
[18:14] <Amaranth> and hope they still work
[18:16] <nemo> Amaranth: yeah. looks like
[18:16] <nemo> Amaranth: I actually had a patch for snow at one point that improved realism a bit
[18:16] <nemo> no idea if that got merged
[18:17] <Amaranth> nemo: probably not, these plugins haven't been removed completely due to user's screaming but no one really cares for them
[18:17] <nemo> Amaranth: well. looks like they should be removed
[18:17] <nemo> at least for karmic
[18:17] <nemo> snow and atlantis don't work
[18:17] <Amaranth> nemo: again, this package does not exist in karmic
[18:17] <nemo> oh??
[18:17] <Amaranth> stop using PPAs
[18:18] <Amaranth> This package has never been in Ubuntu
[18:18] <nemo> hm
[18:18] <nemo> I only use one PPA
[18:18] <Amaranth> Unless someone uploaded it behind my back
[18:18] <Amaranth> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported
[18:18] <nemo> and that's 'cause the official eclipse for karmic didn't work, at all
[18:18] <Amaranth> *facepalm*
[18:18] <Amaranth> Who?
[18:18] <nemo> ?
[18:19] <nemo> ppa?
[18:19] <Amaranth> !info compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported jaunty
[18:19] <nemo> yogarine
[18:19] <Pici> Amaranth: rmadison says its been in there since hardy
[18:19] <Amaranth> wtf
[18:19] <Amaranth> Who uploaded this broken crap?
[18:20]  * Amaranth works on getting this crap removed from Ubuntu
[18:20] <Pici> Amaranth: looks like a sync from debian
[18:20] <arand> Amaranth: seems to be sean finney and mvo according to aptitude changelog...
[18:21] <Amaranth> arg
[18:21] <Amaranth> right, mvo updated it along with the rest
[18:21] <Amaranth> but we never packaged it in the beginning
[18:21] <Amaranth> it got autosynced
[18:22] <nemo> Amaranth: the atlantis2 plugin is nicer anyway. perhaps it'll get added to compiz-fusion-plugins-extra someday
[18:22] <Amaranth> oh, mvo has been keeping it updated to
[18:22] <Amaranth> wow
[18:22] <Amaranth> too*
[18:22] <nemo> Amaranth: clearly not updated enough :)
[18:22] <Amaranth> the plugins themselves don't get updated
[18:22] <Amaranth> he has just been updating the package
[18:22] <nemo> ah
[18:23] <nemo> wonder if I could talk him into adding atlantis2...
[18:23] <Amaranth> no...
[18:23] <Amaranth> he has just been updating the package
[18:23] <Amaranth> The junk in it comes from upstream
[18:24] <commander_> hey how come the sound doesn't work on it but everything else is OK?
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> ever notice how some times the 'suggested' packages make no sense?
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> installed vlc, gnome-mplayer, and comix, and it suggested
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> nas debhelper fakeroot build-essential jackd qt4-qtconfig mplayer-doc netselect fping
[18:26] <Dr_Willis> !info nas
[18:27] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, if that is the case, file bug reports
[18:27] <Dr_Willis> I can almost understand why it would 'suggest' (thats different then reccomds right?)
[18:28] <Amaranth> Right
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> a few of those.. but still build-essential?
[18:28] <joaopinto> build-essen, debhelper and fakeroot make no sense
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> Or could it been somthing i installed earlier that some how also is rembered for the suggestions?
[18:28] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, that info is set at the package level, so it's a packaging problem
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> I cant think of anything ive installed.. other then ubuntu-restircted-extras and a few other toools
[18:29] <Ali_> hi - my sound has stopped working after upgrading
[18:29] <Ali_> can anyone help?
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> i allready got some 'packages are no longer required' on this clean install also. heh.
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> thats weird.
[18:29] <Ali_> Boohbah, i managed to install all the updates
[18:29] <Ali_> Boohbah, but the sound is still not working
[18:29] <baron86> Hello.. today my KpackageKit needs priveleges.. I updated to 9.10 Beta
[18:31] <snek> i installed Karmic but I get an error 15 in Grub.. now I think it might be loading grub off the wrong harddrive (a sata instead of the ata i put ubuntu on)
[18:31] <snek> is there any way to tell which grub version is being loaded? (legacy or 2)
[18:31] <ikt> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown <- why is there this little white space at the top of the image :s
[18:31] <nemo> ikt: what whitespace?
[18:31] <joaopinto> snek, a fresh desktop install will install grub2
[18:32] <ikt> erm
[18:32] <ikt> I've added it to my wordpress and it has a whitespace at the top, i'll pntscn
[18:32] <snek> itś a fresh server install
[18:32] <arand> Dr_Willis: None of those packages seems to suggest those specifically (checked apt-cache depends) But maybe the suggests are due to installed dependencies?
[18:32] <nemo> ikt: how about linking to your wordpress? :)
[18:32] <nemo> ikt: also, why not look in firebug?
[18:32] <snek> joaopinto, this is a common problem with this machine
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> arand:  yea - im looking at what i installed earlier.. but cant seem tosee any logic in it.
[18:33] <joaopinto> snek, better report it or search for similar reports on launchpad
[18:33] <nemo> ikt: maybe your wordpress theme has a style that is applying to it
[18:33] <nemo> ikt: no way to know unless you link me
[18:33] <commander_> i need help with the sound.please
[18:33] <Ali_> can anyone help me? my sound is not working - it was working fine before the upgrade
[18:33] <joaopinto> !sound
[18:33] <ikt> http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/744/screenshotwt.png
[18:33] <nemo> ikt: hmmm. it *does* have a 2px style applied to it
[18:33] <ikt> ah!
[18:33] <nemo> ikt: do this. #countdownimage { padding-top: 0 !important }
[18:33] <joaopinto> Ali_, run alsamixer from the terminal, and check the levels
[18:34] <nemo> ikt: of course if you had firebug you could have seen that for yourself :-p
[18:34] <ikt> cheers :)
[18:34] <Ali_> ok thanks joaopinto
[18:34] <ikt> what is this bug which is on fire you speak of
[18:34] <snek> does grub2 look any different? i think there might still be an old grub1 on another drive
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> looks about the same.. text based menu. :)
[18:34] <nemo> ikt: http://getfirebug.com
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> You can tweak it a little
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> see if you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst or a boot/grub/grub.cfg (i think thats the name)
[18:35] <nemo> ikt: I just rightclicked on the image, chose "inspect" waved my mouse over the tag and the padding showed up in purple
[18:35] <nemo> with the style immediately visible
[18:35] <snek> i have a grub.cfg, thatś not the problem
[18:35] <ikt> cheers
[18:36] <Ali_> joaopinto, i checked - everything is high
[18:36] <snek> my pc is somehow booting grub legacy off /dev/sda1 (first sata drive) whereas it should be booting grub off of /dev/sdd1 (first pata drive)
[18:36] <Ali_> joaopinto, i have two soundcards and i know one of them is not working - ie the inbuilt one - but how do i know which one is the one being used etc?
[18:36] <snek> now with the old grub it was quite easy to fix, but with grub2 i am not sure how to go about installing grub2 onto /dev/sda1
[18:37] <Brian> i was in the middle of a update and my computer turned off and now when i try to do the update again i get a partial update , is there any way to fix what went wrong
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> set the bios to boot off the other hd.
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[18:38] <Ali_> any idea joaopinto
[18:38] <Ali_> ?
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> or install grub2 to both i guess. :)
[18:39] <malnilion> Brian, maybe try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:42] <Ali_> any solutions for me? :D
[18:42] <unimatrix> is there a way to center the notify-osd ?
[18:43] <unimatrix> my right eye is getting tired xD
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> They need a animationof a little penguin walking across the screen with the notifications in a flag....
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:45] <malnilion> Ali_, you should be able to see which device is being used if you go to Sound Preferences and look at the Hardware tab.
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> and yes - its gettting past my bedtime...
[18:45]  * Dr_Willis is tired and gettting silly
[18:45] <snek> what's the default user for karmic livecd? want to ssh into the machine
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> Is ssh even installed on the live cd?
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> check in the /home/ to see what their name is.
[18:46] <arand> I'd guess it's ubuntu normally...
[18:47] <malnilion> Brian, did that command I posted get the ball rolling on your updates again?
[18:48] <snek> lol it's ubuntu.. should have guessed
[18:48] <Brian> i got a error i think i did dpkg-config insted of --config
[18:48] <snek> just ran users
[18:48] <Brian> still command not found
[18:48] <snek> and no, ssh server is not installed, but you can aptitude install ssh without problems after you've booted the cd
[18:49] <maco> Brian: er yeah "dpkg --configure -a" would be the right way, sorry
[18:49] <malnilion> If it says command dpkg not found, you have a really broken system.
[18:49] <Ali_> malnilion, where can i find that pls?
[18:50] <commander_> ubottu where is volume control?
[18:50] <Brian> ya i think it worked
[18:50] <Brian> after the command nothing happened like it should  now im updating
[18:51] <malnilion> Ali_, there should be two ways, you can right click the volume icon in the tray or you should be able to System>Preferences>Sound
[18:51] <Ali_> WOOOHOOOOOOOO
[18:51] <Ali_> thanks malnilion
[18:51] <Ali_> :D
[18:51] <Ali_> u da MANNNNNNNNNNNN
[18:51] <Ali_> WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:51] <malnilion> Ali_, working sound?
[18:51] <Ali_> yep
[18:51] <Ali_> i lurrrrrrrrrrrve ubuntu
[18:51] <mbeierl1> man the updates are coming in fast and furious now :)
[18:51] <Ali_> :D
[18:51] <Ali_> THANKS
[18:52] <malnilion> W00t, no problem :)
[18:52] <Brian> what are you talking about what updates?
[18:53] <Brian> did they realese new ones
[18:56] <Brian> for some reason empathy wont change status from hidden to available
[18:58] <snek> is there anyway to not boot gnome on the livecd but only boot to commandline?
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> perhaps edit the  boot line. but i forget how you do that on the live cd.. and append 'single' to the end.
[18:59] <commander_> i need help
[18:59] <darthanubis> !help
[19:00] <snek> yeah i can't remember what to put in the boot line.. but i'll try single
[19:01] <malnilion> Maybe add the nosplash option as well.
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> theres always the hard core 'init=/bin/bash' to append also i recall :)
[19:04] <malnilion> Brian, you know, I seem to be having trouble setting Empathy to hidden and having it show up on the indicator-applet as such.
[19:05] <Brian> malnilion: funny i have the opposite problem of making it available from hidden
[19:06] <malnilion> Brian, is yours set to auto-connect on login?
[19:06] <Brian> ya i can change it on the app its self but the system tray stays hidden
[19:06] <virtuald> anyone more than me getting timeouts on archive.ubuntu.com?
[19:06] <Brian> i think so
[19:06] <rumpel2> my touchpad won't save its config... any idea?
[19:06] <virtuald> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/archive.ubuntu.com
[19:09] <Brian> malnilion: is yours
[19:09] <malnilion> Brian, yeah.
[19:09] <malnilion> But that option seems to be broken since I'm always offline when I login.
[19:10] <cousteau> how long should it take to karmuc UNR to boot on an acer aspire one? it takes 45 seconds on mine, that's a lot
[19:10] <Pici> !slow | virtuald
[19:10] <virtuald> hehe
[19:10] <iwillig> hi guys, i seem to be having an issue with pygtk in the beta version of ubuntu
[19:10] <iwillig> http://dpaste.com/101580/
[19:10] <frybye> Hi - I jus installed karmic beta 64bit in a sun virtual box with h-w vertualisation... but karmic does not "see" my nvidia 9400gt card or allow the installaiton of the nvidia drivers and I only have a far too small screen resoloution  - my full-hd 22" screen in "unknown" etc - what now?
[19:11] <iwillig> any one ecounter this same issue ?
[19:11] <commander_> hey i need some help .i have no sound on 9.10
[19:11] <c_korn> frybye: the video card is only emulated
[19:11] <thiebaude> iwillig, which issue
[19:11] <c_korn> frybye: you need to install the virtualbox guest additions
[19:11] <iwillig> thiebaude: http://dpaste.com/101580/
[19:11] <c_korn> frybye: nvidia drivers won't work
[19:12] <frybye> c_korn: any way to at least change the resoloution - there is only a 800 x smal and 800 still smaller now?
[19:12] <frybye> I need 1920 x 1080
[19:12] <guntbert> frybye: in a VM it doesn't see the "real" hardware - and there is a channel #vbox :-)
[19:12] <thiebaude> iwillig, not sure yet, getting ready to download 130mb of updates
[19:12] <frybye> ok - but if it is just a karmic soloution I need to change the res.??
[19:12] <c_korn> frybye: if you install the guest additions you can resize the window and the screen resolutions will change accordingly
[19:12] <thiebaude> i should have a new usplash screen hopefully
[19:13] <frybye> I have not found out how to get the guest additions installed.. found point in vbox menu but nothing happens...?
[19:13] <malnilion> commander_, you've checked your volume level and sound preferences?
[19:13] <c_korn> frybye: an iso should get mounted to /media/cdrom0
[19:14] <raindog> frybye, Check out the vb documentation.  There is a detailed entry for installing the guest additions.
[19:14] <commander_> yeah
[19:14] <frybye> ok - thanks for now - i go figure...
[19:15] <malnilion> commander_, your sound problems are system-wide and not application-related?
[19:15] <commander_> ?meaning
[19:16] <paolob> HI guys! I'm trying to use epiphany-gecko in karmic, but if I install epiphany-browser it removes epiphany-gecko for epiphany-webkit. Any workaround?
[19:16] <malnilion> commander_, is sound working in some problems but not others?
[19:16] <malnilion> commander_, programs* I mean
[19:16] <commander_> no none
[19:17] <commander_> when i go to youtube no sound,songbird no sound
[19:17] <malnilion> commander_, is this a fresh install?
[19:17] <commander_> n i got alsa 1.0.20
[19:17] <csguest> in 9.10, how can i get GDM to stop ignoring and start sourcing my ~/.xinitrc file?
[19:18] <commander_> of 9.10 beta.yeah. n i dong a partial upgrade too
[19:18] <commander_> not by choice
[19:18] <DopeGhot1> Is there a way to have a console larger than 80x25 still?  I tried the vga kernel paramater, and I got a message about it being deprecated before I just got a catatonic black screen
[19:19] <csguest> i also have a .xsession file that is not being sourced... is this supposed to be .Xsession ?
[19:19] <malnilion> commander_, your partial upgrade is going on right now?
[19:20] <Ubuntu2> Oh hey it looks like they fixed the no option to multiboot in grub2 bug. Alpha 6 here I come :)
[19:20] <commander_> yeah
[19:20] <RPG_Master> Why do fonts look so funky in Firefox 3.5?
[19:20] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: alpha6?  Not the beta?
[19:20] <malnilion> commander_, do you know if pulseaudio is set to updated?
[19:20] <maginot> Hi. it will be a 9.10 lts version ?
[19:20] <Ubuntu2> DopeGhot1 On the site they also call it Alpha6 or is that different than the beta?
[19:21] <Pici> maginot: No, but 10.04 will.
[19:21] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: Beta 1 came out yesterday, it's a more recent release than α6
[19:21] <commander_> i dunno how to check it
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> !lts
[19:21] <Ubuntu2> DopeGhot1: Ok thanks for the info :)
[19:21] <maginot> hmm ... so for server its better go with 8.04 lts I suppose
[19:21] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: anytime :)
[19:21] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[19:22] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: that's where you can get the current (β) release
[19:22] <Ubuntu2> Thanks.
[19:22] <cousteau> maginot: you'll be able to upgrade from hardy to lucid without having to stop on intrepid, jaunty or karmic
[19:22] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: my pleasure :)
[19:22] <RPG_Master> How do I make my fonts not look ugly in Firefox?
[19:23] <James147> maginot: it depends on how important the server is, if it doent matter if it goes down every 6 mounths then you can stick with the latest, but any type of server that the publib relay on its best to sue the lts
[19:23] <Ubuntu2> Does anyone have a torrent link for the Beta1? I'm getting 40k/s here because everyones downloading it.
[19:24] <Ubuntu2> Actually 19k/s.
[19:24] <Ubuntu2> Oh nvm I think I found it on the bottom of the page.
[19:24] <maginot> Hmm okay, thanks
[19:24] <nemo> http://ubuntuguide.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/fish.png <- see this is why I'd like to get atlantis2
[19:25] <nemo> now if only I could find the darn source location, I'd just build it myself
[19:25] <malnilion> Ubuntu2, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/ubuntu-9.10-beta-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[19:25] <gsuveg> re
[19:25] <malnilion> Ubuntu2, oh wait, that's the dvd
[19:25] <Ubuntu2> malnilion Does the DVD have more than the cd in packages?
[19:25] <nemo> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/users/metastability/atlantis2
[19:25] <nemo> bingo
[19:26] <malnilion> Ubuntu2, I'd assume so, I've never used the DVD to install.
[19:26] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: I suspect it does, if the size of the image is a lot larger than the CD
[19:26] <malnilion> Ubuntu2, http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:26] <GibbaTheHutt> hi, is anyone aware of sound hitching/farting noises in karmic at all ? (don't have them in jaunty) Main sound is fine, just happens sometimes
[19:27] <Ubuntu2> Found this online: "The DVD has extra pakcages, more stuff that you probably won't ever need."
[19:27] <Pici> Ubuntu2: The dvd has at least the universe repository on it.
[19:28] <Ubuntu2> Hmm... I guess I'll make a dvd soon too. But the cd's almost done so...
[19:28] <malnilion> Downloading the DVD seems like a waste of bandwidth since most people will never use half the packages.
[19:28] <DopeGhot1> Is there a way to get a high-res console?  more than 80x25 would be more than welcome.  the vga kernel option isn't playing nice
[19:29] <paolob> I'm trying to report a bug in launchpad for karmic, but the usual "report a bug" button leads to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs, and none of the method suggested works: "ubuntu-bug epiphany-browser" tells me I haven't a genuine ubuntu package . How the hell can I report a bug?!??!?
[19:29] <paolob> !bugs
[19:29] <commander_> mal where r u i need help with the sound on here
[19:29] <Ubuntu2> malnilion True
[19:30] <paolob> unfortunatly  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug leads to the help page, too!!!
[19:30] <paolob> !bug
[19:30] <malnilion> commander_, I asked if you knew whether pulse was set to be updated or not. Before we can do anything we need your partial update to finish.
[19:30] <paolob> !reporting bugs
[19:30] <Pici> paolob: Thats all the bot knows about bugs, whats the issue?
[19:31] <commander_> well i had to update again b cause the partial didn't go through
[19:31] <peol> whoa, getting the media keys volume up/down and mute to work without the hook to pulseaudio was a bit of a pain, had to do my own bash scripts and wrap with notify-osd :P
[19:31] <SEJeff> peol, Please submit a bug with how you got it to work
[19:32] <malnilion> commander_, do you have a sound card or are you using integrated?
[19:32] <Ubuntu2> paolob here: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+filebug?no-redirect
[19:32] <commander_> it's a laptop.
[19:33] <peol> SEJeff: Not really a bug, afaik the gnome-volume-control(-applet) doesn't support gstreamer anymore so I guess the link to the mixer is broken without pulseaudio, I just simulated the applets functionality with xbindkeys and bash scripts
[19:33] <SEJeff> peol, Oh you disabled pulse
[19:33] <SEJeff> That seems to have become an almost dependency under gnome
[19:34] <MTecknology> This is interesting- I boot up and gnome-power-manager what's to be a big icon instead of a small one.. not sure why though. If I kill and restart it, it will stay it's 24 size, instead of 48
[19:34] <SEJeff> MTecknology, Try updating
[19:34] <MTecknology> SEJeff: alrighty
[19:34] <peol> Yeah, that crap shouldn't be be default yet, too much cards have bugs (I've had _one_ card working out-of-the-box the last ten times I've done a install [different computers]). The bugs are marked resolved everywhere, and when opening new ones the close them and says they're fixed :P
[19:35] <SEJeff> peol, I've had 0 problems with pulseaudio since Jaunty
[19:35] <DopeGhot1> Heck, my audio's been fine since Ibex
[19:35] <SEJeff> in fact, I am able to stream banshee from my main desktop wirelessly over my network to the mac mini in the living room running ubuntu
[19:35] <SEJeff> Which I see as pulseaudio being awesome
[19:36] <peol> hda-intel and a few others has been broken since before Jaunty, a lot of crackling occurring that seems unsolvable, works great with esound+alsa
[19:36] <peol> I love the idea behind PA and I think it's gonna be great, too many kinks for my taste atm tho
[19:37] <snek> i fixed my boot problem, i had to chroot my drive and change the /boot/grub/device.map and change (hd0) to /dev/sdd instead of /dev/sda
[19:37] <SEJeff> peol, Thats fair but can you please file a bug?
[19:37] <peol> SEJeff: I have, several times
[19:38] <SEJeff> peol, Ok here is another approach
[19:38] <malnilion> commander_, what's the output of: lspci | grep "Audio device"
[19:39] <snek> jaunty worked with just setting UUID's in the menu.lst, howcome karmic is reverting back to /dev/sd* again?
[19:39] <commander_> dummy output stereo
[19:39] <SEJeff> Go to Guadec and buy lennart pottering some beer. Then tell him that pulse is broken and he is indebted to you for the beer so he should fix it. Profit!
[19:39] <malnilion> Really, dummy output?
[19:39] <peol> SEJeff: I've been in contact with the PA devs too, hopefully they'll get it sorted soon, I'd love to be able to use PA
[19:39] <snek> or am i forgetting something? :P
[19:39] <SEJeff> peol, So is your problem in specific how PA interacts with intel sound cards?
[19:39] <SEJeff> Try the beer method
[19:39] <SEJeff> Works well in open source
[19:42] <peol> SEJeff: For my own personal experience, yeah. I gtg, food. And btw, I'm not planning to travel half way around the world to buy a guy some beer :)
[19:42] <malnilion> commander_, what's the output of aplay -l ?
[19:42] <Ubuntu2> Well I'll be back after I update to the Beta 1.
[19:43] <commander_> i dunno the same i gave u i guess
[19:48] <malnilion> commander_, I'm reading about a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/394500 that may or may not be related to your issue.
[19:49] <commander_> ok
[19:49] <malnilion> commander_, you don't happen to have the same hardware as described by that user do you?
[19:49] <commander_> what hardware?
[19:50] <commander_> i used the same one with the previous versions of ubuntu
[19:50] <vigo> Do I have to download the Beta or am I already using it?
[19:51] <cousteau> vigo: did you install the alpha?
[19:51] <funkyHat> Anyone using a bluetooth headset as a sound device in Karmic?
[19:51] <vigo> cousteau: Yes
[19:52] <cousteau> vigo: in case you installed the alpha, the updates will transform it into the beta without having to upgrade or something
[19:52] <vigo> cousteau: Started on alpha 2 or 3
[19:52] <cousteau> and the beta into RC and final
[19:52] <malnilion> commander_, the bug I just posted points to an issue with a modem driver that hogs your sound device. Does your laptop have a built-in modem?
[19:53] <rrichie> hi all
[19:53] <rrichie> i have problem installing eclipse with karmic because gij-4.2 doesn't exists. Anyone has an idea ?
[19:53] <vigo> Whew! I have been seeing that the servers are swamped, Thank you.
[19:53] <commander_> u mean a 56k modem for a phone line?
[19:54] <malnilion> commander_, yes.
[19:54] <commander_> yeah but i use broadband for internet comcast
[19:55] <malnilion> commander_, okay try uninstalling slmodem by doing sudo apt-get remove slmodem
[19:55] <malnilion> Or through Synaptic.
[19:56] <malnilion> If you don't have it installed, I'm out of ideas, lol.
[19:56] <cousteau> rrichie: maybe you can install sun-java6-jre instead
[19:57] <commander_> can't get the lock
[19:57] <malnilion> Can't get the lock?
[19:57] <malnilion> Oh, you can't have Synaptic open and run that apt command at the same time.
[19:59] <nzmm_> hey how do i get ubuntu one to work?  I click connect, nothing happend
[19:59] <nzmm_> hey how do i get ubuntu one to work?  I click connect, nothing happens
[20:00] <malnilion> nzmm_, you need to go through the website at one.ubuntu.com
[20:00] <nzmm_> ok thnx
[20:00] <commander_> so just wait til the updates r finished
[20:00] <malnilion> commander_, yeah, and then before you reboot uninstall slmodem and see if that fixes your issue.
[20:01] <commander_> ok
[20:01] <rrichie> cousteau : no it doesn't change anything
[20:05] <diverse_izzue> &msg NickServ identify uyenuna1
[20:05] <malnilion> Oh dang, man, you might want to change your password now.
[20:06] <tormod> :)
[20:06] <joshposh> haha, now I am the real diverse_izzue
[20:06] <joshposh> ;)
[20:06] <Laibsch> Hi, what happened to epiphany-webkit?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/epiphany-webkit exists, but aptitude does not show the package as installable.
[20:07] <malnilion> Laibsch, that's odd considering I have that very package installed.
[20:08] <peol> To be honest, these icons look a hell of a lot better then the current ones, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Icon
[20:09] <Laibsch> malnilion: yes, I thought that was odd.  But http://paste.debian.net/48006/ is what I get
[20:10] <malnilion> Laibsch, you have all your repos enabled, right?
[20:10] <malnilion> (Though I think epiphany would be in universe...)
[20:10] <Laibsch> I think I have the necessary ones
[20:10] <Laibsch> karmic main universe restricted and multiverse
[20:11] <Laibsch> plus karmic-security and a few others
[20:11] <Laibsch> karmic universe should have it, I guess
[20:11] <Laibsch> strange
[20:11] <peol> malnilion: Mine is installable, try sudo apt-get install epiphany-webkit-data epiphany-webkit
[20:12] <rumpel2> lol.... karmic "forgets" my touchpad-config when the screensaver comes up ^^
[20:14] <Lenin_Cat> dose fglrx work with the beta?
[20:14] <Laibsch> peol:http://paste.debian.net/48007/
[20:14] <peol> Laibsch: sudo apt-get update -f
[20:16] <diverse_izzue> i was hit by bug #439784, can anyone think of a way how to recover without reinstalling?
[20:17] <junkY_San> hey, i did a dist-upgrade yesterday and now i get no x-server after a reboot until i manually restart the kdm service
[20:18] <malnilion> Woo, big netsplit.
[20:19] <paolob> Anyone knows whether is it wanted that epihany-webkit's executable is "epiphany" while epiphany-gecko's is "epiphany-gecko? I'd find better that the executables share the same name
[20:21] <malnilion> paolob, do you have both installed?
[20:21] <paolob> malnilion, you cannot install both, installing one removes the other
[20:22] <Laibsch> diverse_izzue: boot from USB or CD?
[20:22] <diverse_izzue> Laibsch: thats how im here now
[20:22] <diverse_izzue> then what
[20:22] <Laibsch> I'm not exactly sure about the problem
[20:22] <malnilion> paolob, afaik the epiphany command is really just a link to either epiphany-gecko or epiphany-webkit based on what's installed.
[20:23] <Laibsch> But I guess you want to recreate whatever is broken in grub
[20:23] <Laibsch> Maybe "sudo update-grub" is already enough
[20:24] <malnilion> paolob, also afaik epiphany-webkit is the future.
[20:24] <paolob> malnilion, actually epiphany-gecks doesn't provide a "epiphany" command linking to epiphany-gecko, but only a epiphany-browser -> epiphany-gecko
[20:24] <malnilion> Sounds like a packaging issue.
[20:25] <paolob> malnilion, imo epiphany-webkit still has too many problems: in one day I found 2 rendering bugs
[20:25] <Nafai> I thought epiphany was actually a game, and epiphany-browser was the browser
[20:26] <commander__> mal partial upgrade is done
[20:26] <commander__> what next?
[20:26] <malnilion> commander__, okay, in Synaptic remove sl-modem-daemon if it is installed.
[20:26] <kane77> hi, I just upgraded to karmic, only one issue.. before if I clicked to top part of scroll bar on touchpad it did middle-click, now this doesn't work, where can I set it?
[20:27] <malnilion> paolob, yeah epiphany-webkit is still rough around the edges for sure. It's fast as heck, though.
[20:27] <commander__> done
[20:27] <malnilion> commander__, reboot and cross your fingers :P
[20:28] <rumpel2> kane77, also have problems with touchpad ... it forgets custom-configs.... (system->pref->touchpad (i guess))
[20:29] <kane77> rumpel2, system->pref->mouse and touchpad tab, but there's no setting for this.. and I don't even know what to look for, since in previous versions the middle click worked out of the box
[20:30] <mshooshtari> I'm having difficulty with vpnc, the network manager interface does not allow me to use the local connection as the default gateway.
[20:30] <mshooshtari> the check box that says to only use the vpn for it's network just keeps greying back out even after checking and saving.
[20:31] <vigo> rumpel2: Is it set in ..uhmm, chmod?
[20:32] <vigo> wait, let me check that to be certain.
[20:32] <malnilion> commander_, any luck?
[20:33] <commander_> Mal we have sound!!woohoo!!
[20:33] <rumpel2> vigo, well.. i will look for a config-file in /etc/ or so ... tnx
[20:33] <commander_> thank u thank u thank u
[20:34] <malnilion> commander_, no problem, man, you might want to subscribe to that bug if you ever think you'll want to use your modem :)
[20:34] <commander_> fo sure
[20:34] <commander_> i just reported a bug to tham about it
[20:35] <junkY_San> could it be that since a recent udpate the initscript management has changed?
[20:37] <vigo> rumpel1: Did you say on Suspend?
[20:38] <nick125> Hmm..anyone here know of a repository that has Virtualbox 3.0 for Karmic amd64?
[20:38] <rumpel2> vigo, did "chmod u-w ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/%gconf.xml" ... hope this will work...
[20:38] <Dai> probably virtualbox's
[20:38] <vigo> rumpel2: whoops, did you say on Suspend
[20:39] <rumpel2> vigo, no... screensaver... or at least after some time without user interaction...
[20:39] <nick125> Dai: I'll double check, but I think they only go up to Jaunty
[20:39] <vigo> rumpel2: That looks like a workable code,
[20:40] <Dai> hmm...  yeah, with karmic not out yet, they're probably not up to date yet :\  you *might* try searching for a PPA, but then you're probably looking at the OSE version.  did karmic not move to 3.0 as the default?
[20:40] <vigo> rumpel2: I also found this on Suspend, is a Xorg setting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1029704
[20:41] <nick125> Dai: I've tried to install virtualbox-3.0 and it says there isn't a candidate version available
[20:41] <rumpel2> vigo, "HOWTO: Run a Program or Windows Screen Saver when System is Idle" ? o.O#
[20:41] <joshposh_> diverse_izzue, has your problem been solved already?
[20:42] <paolob> Guys, I think epihany-webkit shouldn't be mandatory in karmic, it's still in early beta stages, karmic must be stable, epiphany-webkit is very rough
[20:42] <diverse_izzue> joshposh_: no
[20:42] <diverse_izzue> working at it...
[20:42] <diverse_izzue> im chrooted into my hdd from a live cd
[20:44] <joshposh_> diverse_izzue, why dont you try the commands in comment 2 of the bug report #439784
[20:44] <Dai> paolob: so it shouldn't even be available?  firefox is still the default browser, and none of them are "mandatory"
[20:46] <paolob> Dai, no, the problem is that epiphany-gecko is removed for epiphany-webkit in the update, and it shouldn't be! Karmic shouldn't impose a beta package (epiphany-webkit) in substitution of a stable one (epiphany-gecko)
[20:46] <Dai> hmm
[20:47] <diverse_izzue> joshposh_: joshposh_ i just reinstalled grub-pc from live cd, lets see if that helped
[20:47] <Laibsch> I still don't even have epiphany-webkit among the installable packages
[20:48] <Guest21681> hey
[20:48] <Laibsch> even after "sudo aptitude update -f"
[20:48] <Laibsch> very strange
[20:48] <Guest21681> was sent here from ubuntu-bugs
[20:48] <Guest21681> lemme repaste what i was saying
[20:49] <Guest21681> trying to install with wubi (the one included in ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso at / level) and it wants to donwload karmic-desktop-amd64.iso instead..
[20:49] <Guest21681> did someone for get to recompile wubi to use the beta naming intead of the daily build ?
[20:49] <Guest21681> man filing bugs
[20:50] <Guest21681> hum?
[20:50] <Guest21681> =)
[20:50] <Guest21681> any commandline option for wubi ?
[20:51] <anger> Hi!
[20:52] <anger> Has others had problems with kdm?
[20:53] <Guest21681> define kdm
[20:53] <Guest21681> hum not me
[20:53] <paolob> Dai, I opened a bug about that  #440857
[20:53] <Guest21681> :)
[20:54] <rumpel2> where can i open bugs?
[20:54] <arand> !lp
[20:54] <paolob> rumpel2, from your application, menu Help -> report a bug
[20:55] <cousteau> gl-117 is segfaulting... could anyone confirm?
[20:55] <rumpel2> cool :)
[20:55] <rumpel2> tnx
[20:55] <vigo> !bugs
[20:55] <vigo> That one shows the correct way, sorta to report those.
[20:56] <Guest21681> ubuntu-bug wubi
[20:56] <Guest21681> lol
[20:57] <Dai> Guest21681: from a terminal.
[20:57] <Guest21681> i know
[20:58] <Guest21681> but i cant even install it in the first place
[20:58] <Dai> Guest21681: but since you're installing from windows, you'll probably have to take the manual route :)
[20:58] <frybye> running beta in a sun virtual box - makes a good impression - well done folks...
[20:58] <Guest21681> yeah
[20:58] <Guest21681> i don't mind installing it
[20:59] <Guest21681> but i need the wubi method to work for nusers to be able to try it too..
[21:00] <cousteau> when I gdb gl-117, it says it segfaulted in glViewport() from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[21:01] <readonlz> i upgraded to 9.10 and now cannot boot. it says my file system is read only, what to do
[21:02] <NoelJB> can you boot a Live CD or into the recovery console and fsck?
[21:02] <readonlz> i am in a live cd now
[21:02] <readonlz> i tried fscking, but i guess im doing it wrong because it didnt help
[21:03] <frybye> which update notification system is used in karmix - the one like hardy default or the one like jaunty default?
[21:03] <frybye> e e karmic I mean...
[21:04] <readonlz> any ideas?
[21:05] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/mydesktop2.jpeg <- why atlantis2 should be in ubuntu plugins :-p
[21:05] <duffydack> eww. Ive never understood why anyone would want a fishtank on their desktop
[21:06] <duffydack> if real life ones couldnt get any more boring, along comes a compiz plugin
[21:06] <nemo> duffydack: its fun
[21:06] <reportingsjr> duffydack: .... I have a fish tank and I like it quite a lot so speak for yourself.
[21:06] <nemo> duffydack: real life ones are fun too
[21:06] <nemo> reportingsjr: he's just trolling.
[21:06] <duffydack> whatever works for you
[21:06] <solistic> just trying to upgrade to 9.10 and getting "W:Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"? What how to cicumvent this? Any ideas?
[21:07] <readonlz> solistic: try to change the server
[21:07] <nemo> reportingsjr: I have a 5" cichlid in my tank :)
[21:07] <solistic> readonlz: like en..?
[21:07] <duffydack> nemo,  I`m giving my opinion... its the first thing Ive said since I logged in 7 hours ago..  plz....
[21:07] <readonlz> yes. i couldnt upgrade from my croatian server so i tried slovakian
[21:07] <readonlz> but i cannot boot into my system since the upgrade
[21:07] <readonlz> that is why i am here
[21:08] <reportingsjr> nemo: I have a 5" cichlid in my 20g.. a pleco :D
[21:08] <Guest21681> yeah
[21:08] <solistic> readonlz: argh, maybe I should wait until it is stable...
[21:08] <reportingsjr> nemo: I just bought 6 zebra danios to add to my little school. I love it!
[21:08] <Guest21681> i fixed my "bug"
[21:09] <Laibsch> Anybody else having problems with avi video files being displayed as blue rectangles only?  bug 402019
[21:09] <Laibsch> I've been having that issue for a while now
[21:09] <Guest21681> well not fixed but worked around it..
[21:09] <Laibsch> I think i had it in jaunty, too
[21:09] <readonlz> anyone know how to stop the 'read only file system' error on booting?
[21:09] <readonlz> it also says that it cannot remove /forcefsck file, but when i check from live cd, tehre is no such file
[21:11] <solistic> readonlz: how did you change the mirror, with update-manager or in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[21:11] <Guest21681> wubi.exe --skipmd5check enables me to use the iso i extracted wubi from instead of it downloading today's karmic-desktop-amd64.iso bleh
[21:11] <readonlz> solistic: within update-manager
[21:11] <Guest21681> still waiting on launchpad to send me an email..
[21:12] <Guest21681> don't call us we'll call you sort of thing..
[21:12] <Guest21681> lol
[21:13] <SEJeff> Guest21681, Don't bother with wubi, it will setup dual boot for you
[21:14] <Guest21681> i know what it does
[21:14] <Guest21681> but less knowledgeable users need to be able to use it too :)
[21:15] <Guest21681> i ususally get "uh what? commandline? do i need to install that? " from users.. so wubi is good alternative for them to try out ubuntu a little
[21:16] <Guest21681> so fixing it will help bridging a technical gap few of us realize still exists ;)
[21:17] <martinx_> Guys, I can't install the Karmic beta server on my HP Proliant!! I try the i386 and the amd64 versions... but there is still a lot of "IO errors"... anyone knows something about issues with Karmic on HP Proliant servers
[21:18] <mauri> after latest software repositories update, the system is too slow, i dont understand why.....
[21:19] <martinx_> I'm changed the CDROM device, I disable the onboard RAID, I change the harddisc from internal to a USB one... but every time, the Kernel says a lot of IO Errors... with Debian Lenny I do not see any error on that hardware.
[21:20] <martinx_> Can I pass some option to Linux from the CD boot menu?!
[21:22] <solistic> readonlz: thx
[21:22] <readonlz> i have a "read only file system' error upon booting since the upgrade to 9.10. any idaes?
[21:22] <guntbert> martinx_: my first guess: your iso image is borked, did you md5sum it?
[21:22] <tormod> martinx_, which device gives IO errors?
[21:23] <tormod> readonlz, does it stop the boot, or is it just a message?
[21:23] <solistic> I realized, that with the live cd the choosed keyboard layout (with F3 on bootup) will not be used in X. I choosed dvorak but still qwrty was used... Is there a ticket on the topic?
[21:23] <rohan> why do the karmic beta release notes specify upstart as a new feature? upstart has been in use by ubuntu from 8.04 if i'm not wrong..?
[21:24] <martinx_> guntbert, sure! the same problem occur since alpha5, alpha6 and now with beta... but I'll cheit again now with md5...
[21:24] <readonlz> tormod: it completely kills the boot and then restarts
[21:24] <martinx_> tormod, let me see in another room, 1 minute, please...
[21:24] <mauri> after latest software repositories update, the system is too slow, i dont understand why.....
[21:24] <mshooshtari> Is anybody familiar with VPNC?
[21:24] <frybye> I don't seem to be able to connect to ubuntu-one - am logged into launchpad etc - perhaps because I am in a sun virtualbox???
[21:24] <martinx_> s/cheit/check it/
[21:26] <tormod> readonlz, is it like bug 427822?
[21:26] <readonlz> tormod: not really. the only thing it says is "Read only file system" Cannot remove /forcefsck
[21:29] <tormod> readonlz, I haven't tried this myself, but take a look at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken
[21:30] <MaximLevitsky1> main server for updates hosed?
[21:30] <readonlz> tormod: i/ll try
[21:30] <holmser> still having some issues installing the beta
[21:30] <mauri> yes
[21:30] <holmser> is there a way to purge all of the downloaded packages and redownload them?
[21:31] <tormod> holmser, apt-get clean ?
[21:31] <holmser> thanks
[21:31] <guntbert> MaximLevitsky1: not hosed but under heavy load
[21:31] <mauri> W: Impossibile recuperare http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Somma hash non corrispondente
[21:31] <reportingsjr> If I am trying to upgrade to 9.10 how do I clear the cache of dled files? My first attempt to dl 9.10 was halted most of the way through and now my system will not upgrade. I think it is a corrupt cached file.
[21:32] <reportingsjr> whoops
[21:32] <reportingsjr> just read holmser's question :D
[21:32] <holmser> yeah... it worked so far. I'll let you know if it will upgrade fully this time
[21:33] <reportingsjr> holmser: pain in the arse isn't it?
[21:34] <holmser> getting there...
[21:37] <Guest21681> !bugs
[21:38] <stapel> How do I upgrade from alpha6 to beta? Do I have to run sudo update-manager -d?
[21:38] <tormod> stapel, no just normal update
[21:38] <tormod> mauri, try "apt-get update" again
[21:39] <robertj> hrmm, I keep getting an error that gnome-settings-daemon WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting...
[21:39] <robertj> any idea?
[21:39] <stapel> how do i know if i'm on beta?
[21:39] <Ubuntu2> Back from updating to the beta and eating lunch.
[21:39] <arand> stapel: throughout the development phase all "releases" are rolling, if you have the latest updates, you have the latest release, whatevere it might be, no specific action required...
[21:40] <stapel> thanx
[21:41] <holmser> still no dice
[21:41] <holmser> after downloading it just spits out y's
[21:41] <holmser> any ideas?
[21:42] <joshua__> are the downloads for 9.10 really bogged down?
[21:42] <rcaskey> doh, but i get the error (gnome-settings-daemon:6995): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_propagate_error: assertion `src != NULL' failed
[21:42] <guntbert> !slow
[21:42] <joshua__> guntbert, i am not in a hurry i was just wondering
[21:42] <diverse_izzue> hi all. my gdm seems to hang as soon as it shows the login screen, i cannot move my mouse pointer. does that ring a bell with someone?
[21:42] <joshua__> guntbert, i am content running the alpha for now
[21:42] <diverse_izzue> joshua__: i have the grub problem solved, installed grub1 from live cd
[21:43] <SEJeff> stapel, can /etc/issue
[21:43] <Ubuntu2> joshua I went under System->Administration->Software sources and changed my mirror and everything downloaded fast.
[21:43] <SEJeff> and if it says karmic then just update via apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade or via synaptic
[21:43] <guntbert> joshua__: I didn't mean "patience", but it hinders regular updates for all versions...
[21:43] <mauri> tormod: now it works
[21:44] <joshua__> I just wanted to make sure it wasn't my INTERNET that was broke'
[21:45] <tormod> holmser, what spits out y's?
[21:45] <joshua__> Larry the Computer guy spits out y's
[21:45] <holmser> the apt-get dist-upgrade... after the files are downloaded
[21:46] <tormod> diverse_izzue, is it really hung, or is just missing mouse?
[21:46] <diverse_izzue> tormod: keyboard doesn\t work either
[21:46] <tormod> holmser, weird, can you paste-bin the terminal window?
[21:46] <holmser> downloads, extracts templates, preconfiguring packages, then just spits out ys
[21:46] <joshua__> o-0
[21:46] <tormod> diverse_izzue, can you switch do a VT?
[21:46] <tormod> *to
[21:47] <joshua__> wow this is almost as bad as when MS released win7...
[21:47] <tormod> holmser, sounds like a bug in one of the installation sctipts
[21:47] <diverse_izzue> tormod: ill try but anyway my system is such a mess maybe reinstalling is better...
[21:47] <joshua__> Tbe beta that is...
[21:47] <guntbert> holmser: is that in a virtual machine?
[21:48] <joshua__> are partial upgrades bad?
[21:49] <guntbert> joshua__: avoid them
[21:49] <holmser> http://pastebin.com/m41ffac37
[21:49] <joshua__> ok, how come guntbert?
[21:50] <mauri> tormod: I've have a questio. when the final release of karmic will be released, DO I have to reinstall all or will it be enought to update with apt-get upgrade?
[21:50] <mauri> tormod: will i have the same result?
[21:50] <guntbert> joshua__: they tend to make things worse - better type sudo aptitude safe-upgrade, mostly it will resolve after a few days
[21:50] <MaximLevitsky1> mauri, I already updated my desktop 4 times
[21:50] <MaximLevitsky1> mauri: first one was 7.04
[21:50] <holmser> no virtual machine...
[21:50] <maxflax> Got problem with my networkmanager - it wont manage my wifi after upgrade to Karmic - but it's running..
[21:51] <guntbert> holmser: ok, then its a different problem from the one I encountered some time ago
[21:51] <maxflax> it says "wifi mode is deactivated"
[21:51] <mauri> MaximLevitsky1: Im referring to karmic release of the end of octobrt
[21:51] <tormod> holmser, try a "apt-get upgrade" first (no packages removed/added)
[21:52] <joshua__> so the sudo safe upgrade is ok?
[21:52] <holmser> already did
[21:52] <joshua__> or whatever the command was
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky1> mauri: I guess it will be same as usual
[21:52] <holmser> is there a way to point my repos back to jaunty if I can't get it installed?
[21:52] <MaximLevitsky1> mauri: I use 9.10 in my laptop, updated from 9.04
[21:52] <holmser> other than manually?
[21:53] <tormod> holmser, reverting a release is difficult
[21:53] <mauri> MaximLevitsky1: ok it was just a question
[21:53] <janisozaur> oh, i see. i /quit
[21:54] <holmser> it hasn't actually installed anything on my machine...
[21:54] <holmser> it won't get that far
[21:54] <holmser> did you read the pastebin?
[21:54] <mark_> Can someone please tell me how to perminently change the policy on authorising local hard disks on starting Karmic.. I have to 'open' them and type my password.  If I forget my friends cannot log in remotely to access the files =)
[21:54] <NoelJB> joshua__, you are probably asking about sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:54] <yofel> hm, anybody an idea how to fix that 'last mount time in the future' thing? Had to boot my jaunty flash drive for a moment and now karmic has the wrong time
[21:54] <joshua__> yes i am, is it okay?
[21:55] <joshua__> well it doesn't matter now i am doing it lol
[21:55] <tormod> holmser, this was your first try? then you can revert to jaunty in sources.list
[21:55] <rcaskey> I'm getting lots and lots of Warning **: Connection failed, reconnecting... from various gnome apps
[21:55] <NoelJB> joshua__, NO!!! LOL <<grin>> Go for it.
[21:55] <joshua__> really? it is bad?
[21:55] <NoelJB> joshua__, not as far as I know.  :-)
[21:55] <durt> yofel, does it not ask you to run fsck?
[21:55] <joshua__> oh okay
[21:55] <guntbert> !who | joshua__
[21:55] <tormod> yofel, should be fixed now with the kernel
[21:56] <joshua__> thanks ubottu
[21:56] <holmser> well, its actually my 6th try, but all with the same result
[21:56] <mauri> tormod: Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main libglib2.0-0 2.22.1-0ubuntu1
[21:56] <mauri>   404  Not Found [IP: 193.206.139.34 80]
[21:56] <yofel> tormod: ok, i'll try again then
[21:56] <tormod> mauri, run update again, I guess the it.archive is just being updated
[21:57] <NoelJB> maxflax, for nm specific issues, you might do better on #nm
[21:57] <tormod> holmser, revert to jaunty in sources.list and make sure everything is ok
[21:57] <tormod> never mind
[21:58] <mark_> Anyone got any idea?
[21:59] <maxflax> NoelJB - thought considering it broke when going up to Karmic it belonged in here
[22:00] <NoelJB> maxflax, perhaps, but since I don't see any of the developers on here, and I know that I've worked with them there (including making some of the fixes, myself) ...
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hey
[22:02] <BUGabundo> just touching and leaving. busy night :)
[22:05] <test34> Anyone successully installed skype on 64 bit? I get: "dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor" when trying to install the 64bit .deb I got from skype.com
[22:06] <mauri> Impossibile recuperare http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/libcups2_1.4.1-4_i386.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 193.206.139.34 80]
[22:06] <maxflax> NoelJB - thought I might just be a settings issue or something I have to adjust in config file or something
[22:06] <BUGabundo> yeah many mirrors overload
[22:06] <maxflax> NoelJB - but I can check in that chan
[22:11] <mauri> im not able to download updates from 404  Not Found [IP: 193.206.139.34 80]
[22:12] <mark_> Can anyone help.. I am called None, that aint nice :) how do I change it please, its there when i log in (as None) and its on 'About me' but i cant seem to change it
[22:12] <NoelJB> test34, yes, ages ago.  direct from Skype
[22:13] <test34> NoelJB, you have karmic 64 bit beta?
[22:13] <NoelJB> yes
[22:14] <test34> did you install this file: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64
[22:14] <NoelJB> using dpkg
[22:14] <reportingsjr> mauri: server is probably overloaded. Try changing servers. To do this click the "settings" button at the bottom of the update manager window and then click on the far left tab. Where it says something like "download from server" select that dropdown and click other. A window will pop up and on the right there should be a choose best server button. Click this then wait. Close out when that has selected a server and close out of the settings wi
[22:15] <maxflax> NoelJB - is't very quiet in that channel Im afraid.. you don't have any clue why the networkmanager can't see my wifi anymore
[22:15] <test34> NoelJB, I get an error with gdebi, I will try dpkg
[22:16] <NoelJB> maxflax, not offhand.  Do the logs help?  What I do is kill network manager and restart it from a command line with --no-daemon so that I can look at the output while working.
[22:18] <test34> NoelJB, worked fine with dpkg, thanks
[22:18] <maxflax> NoelJB - what is the command to start it from bash?
[22:24] <maxflax> NoelJB - im killing the NetworkManager procees but it comes popping up again by it self
[22:25] <stsm> if i install 9.10 beta i can update to the actual release right?
[22:25] <sebsebseb> that's the general idea
[22:25] <sebsebseb> however it might not be quite the case, might end up with an issue
[22:25] <BUGabundo> stsm: yes
[22:25] <sebsebseb> which gives you a reason to do a clean install of the final
[22:25] <Ubuntu2> I thought you could update to the actual release too.
[22:26] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: short answer: you can
[22:26] <stsm> i dont like to reinstall OSes every month :p
[22:26] <Ubuntu2> The whole channels quitting?
[22:26] <Ubuntu2> DopeGhot1 I thought so. Just making sure since someone else was asking.
[22:26] <stsm> someone said that using the alternate cd makes it possible
[22:27] <DopeGhot1> Ubuntu2: stsm: You *should* be ably to just use update-manager to upgrade from α to β to RC to release, but if something goes pear-shaped, that may prevent the upgrade process from working
[22:28] <stsm> DopeGhot1, ok so in short you're all 90% sure it wont be a problem, but there is allways a chance for problems?
[22:28] <stsm> because i dont mind taking that risk
[22:28] <slacker_nl> stsm: i think in 1% of the cases an upgrade goes beserk
[22:28] <stsm> if it goes wrong reintalling is fine, but if i know in advance theres a large chance i would have to reinstall anyway...
[22:28] <guntbert> stsm: this is still beta software - what measure of stability do you expect?
[22:29] <stsm> guntbert, none lol
[22:29] <Guest21681> well
[22:29] <Guest21681> there
[22:29] <stsm> desktop usage
[22:29] <Guest21681> i dun it
[22:29] <Guest21681> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/440927
[22:29]  * stsm pukes on wubi
[22:29] <Guest21681> lol
[22:30] <darthanubis> I have to mount -a after desktop is up to have 2 of my 3 LVM XFS partitions mount. Why?
[22:30] <Guest21681> is needed if you want the takeover to work :p
[22:30] <stsm> virtualbox :p
[22:30] <MTecknology> This is interesting- I boot up and gnome-power-manager what's to be a big icon instead of a small one.. not sure why though. If I kill and restart it, it will stay it's 24x24 instead of 48x48
[22:31] <guntbert> stsm: there will be no *single* one step to the final release - if you keep your beta up do date with updates you will have RC and finally karmic - *if* your system doesn't get broken in the meantime
[22:31] <stsm> guntbert, yeah of course, if it breaks its no problem, its just that i wasnt gonna do it if i was sure it would break in advance
[22:31] <stsm> so how is 9.10? ok or still pretty buggy?
[22:32] <MTecknology> stsm: aside from using gentoo for a while, I found karmic pretty much stable from the start
[22:32] <MTecknology> ... except for a little kernel hiccup
[22:32] <stsm> what are the nicest new or updated things in your opinions?
[22:32] <stsm> ah nice sounds promising :)
[22:32] <pwnguin> stsm: updated sgt-puzzles!
[22:33] <guntbert> stsm: of course its buggy - but I'm runnung it in a VM since alpha2 - several problems - failures to boot - but the system still lives
[22:33] <slacker_nl> for me personally, kde 4.3.x
[22:33] <stsm> i use ubuntu (and linux in general) since 2006 but i never tried a beta so
[22:33] <stsm> not sure what to epect :p
[22:33] <MTecknology> grub2 on new installs, ext4 default, updated packages, hal is being removed, not a whole lost else
[22:33] <stsm> expect
[22:33] <slacker_nl> it totally changed my mind about kde4
[22:34] <pwnguin> upstart
[22:34] <stsm> slacker_nl, i've allways used gnome and i like it for desktops/laptops
[22:34] <reportingsjr> stsm: betas are fairly stable. Not completely, but fairly. The more people that use a beta the better because that means more bugs are found for the main release. :)
[22:34] <MaximLevitsky> Did anybody notice that notifications from NM are queued?
[22:34] <MTecknology> nice, updated gcc
[22:34] <stsm> reportingsjr, yeah good point
[22:34] <slacker_nl> stsm: basicly you get a newer, bleeding edge ubuntu version, that something requires you to think before you act :)
[22:34] <reportingsjr> stsm: even better if you help fix bugs! :D
[22:34] <slacker_nl> stsm: you asked what I liked about karmic ;)
[22:34] <stsm> reportingsjr, besides ill be getting a supernice laptop soon, ill get 9.04 on that one and 9.10 on the desktop
[22:34] <stsm> desktop will become my second best computer then lol
[22:34] <MTecknology> This round 9.10 ~= 9.04
[22:35] <guntbert> stsm: as I said: in a VM - I don't take risks with the system I'm working on - I usually wait a week or two after "final" before I upgrade my "real" system
[22:35] <reportingsjr> stsm: there ya go! 9.10 is supposed to be way faster though. I am currently upgrading.
[22:35] <reportingsjr> stsm: for a core 2 duo (not sure the speed and such) with 2gb ram (not sure of specifics again) boot time was around 15s in a VM.
[22:35] <stsm> guntbert, i dont mind i got backups of important data so everything can break
[22:35] <maxflax> How do one fix a broken Networkmanager.. it won't see my wifi anymore
[22:35] <stsm> :)
[22:35] <reportingsjr> stsm: give me about 30m-1h and I can tell you how it runs on my laptop. hehe
[22:35] <NoelJB> maxflax, I believe that you need to use service network-manager stop now (upstart change)
[22:36] <stsm> reportingsjr, good luck upgrading :-p
[22:36] <MaximLevitsky> Suppose I connect to a network, then connect again, again.. then I see the notications about connection one after another
[22:36] <MaximLevitsky> One expires, other shown
[22:36] <MTecknology> MaximLevitsky: file a bug probably
[22:37] <reportingsjr> stsm: thank you much!
[22:37] <MaximLevitsky> MTecknology: that I soon do, but does that happen to any of you?
[22:37] <MTecknology> I don't use network manager
[22:37] <maxflax> NoelJB ok
[22:37] <reportingsjr> MaximLevitsky: did you search for this issue in the bug tracker?
[22:38] <MaximLevitsky> not yet
[22:38] <MTecknology> I keep wanting to do 'emerge -s' instead of 'aptitude search' ....
 what do you use then
[22:38] <MTecknology> MaximLevitsky: wicd
[22:38] <reportingsjr> MaximLevitsky: hahaha, gentoo?
[22:38] <MTecknology> brokwn tab complete?
[22:38] <andreo> hello, while updating ubuntu to 9.10 i experienced a problem with xserver-xorg
[22:39] <andreo> start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/ups
[22:39] <MTecknology> ya, I used gentoo on this laptop a little while. My setup of Ubuntu didn't give much perfromance difference
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> reportingsjr: what gentoo,? I use ubuntu.
[22:39] <andreo> what does ti mean?
 tried it.. never got wicd working very well.. buggy
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> I mean I know about gentoo, but I am not using it yet
[22:39] <reportingsjr> MaximLevitsky: sorry, bad tab complete. MTecknology: Just got that, wrong tab complete. :) yeah, you moving back from gentoo?
[22:40] <MTecknology> MaximLevitsky: Type "MT" and hit <tab> ;)
[22:42] <Max> Hi Can anybody tell me how I can have a ubuntu usb with only browser?
[22:42] <Guest97598> Hi Can anybody tell me how I can have a ubuntu usb with only browser?
[22:44] <Trizicus> how do I switch from PulseAudio to ALSA?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: you don't
[22:44] <BUGabundo> why would you want that?
[22:44] <test34> Trizicus, uninstall pulseaudio
[22:44] <BUGabundo> you can pasupend
[22:44] <Trizicus> pasupend?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> test34: don't be naïve
[22:44] <test34> Trizicus, and it should automatically switch to alsa
[22:44] <MTecknology> ooh - I was looking at the new usplash online - pretty
[22:45] <Guest97598> Where can I get a minimal install of ubuntu just enough to run Chrome or Firefox?
[22:45] <test34> BUGabundo, why suspend if you don't want it?
[22:46] <Trizicus> Why don't I want to stop using PA?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: cause the entire OS is  looking for it
[22:47] <Trizicus> i want to disable it temporarily for wine...
[22:47] <Trizicus> is PA under LKMs?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: that's why I told you about pasuspend
[22:48] <maxflax> NoelJB - started the NM without deamon and pasted the out put in a bin.. can u see if u see anything strange.. http://pastebin.com/m10219976
[22:48] <Trizicus> that's all you said though lol i was confused what it meant
[22:48] <Trizicus> what is pasuspend?
[22:49] <Trizicus> no command for it, and cannot install
[22:49] <Trizicus> pasuspender i presume
[22:50] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: pasuspend is part of PA
[22:50] <BUGabundo> right that
[22:50] <BUGabundo> :D
[22:50] <Trizicus> yea but it's pasuspender lol
[22:50] <BUGabundo> it will temporarilly stop PA for an app to run on alsa
[22:50] <Trizicus> so do I need to pipe the app to this?
[22:50] <NoelJB> maxflax, sorry, but I actually need to sign out in a few, and make a 225 drive.
[22:50] <NoelJB> 225 mile
[22:52] <test34> I fixed my pulseaudio by installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[22:52] <maxflax> NoelJB - ok.. but found one strange thing.. it says.. (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: $pasuspend APPNAME I think
[22:52] <Trizicus> how do I use pasuspender
[22:52] <Trizicus> ok i'll give it a shot
[22:52] <maxflax> NoelJB - whats a reason 2
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Trizicus: your man for this is dtchen. not sure he is active
[22:52] <NoelJB> maxflax, yes, and I've have to look that up in the source code.
[22:52] <maxflax> ok
[22:53] <Trizicus> i'll try to figure it out until then :D
[22:53] <maxflax> NoelJB - well, google is my friend they say. Have a nice drive
[22:53] <skath_> I want my machine to use a mirror in sources.list.d as its primary source for new packages, and hit the official sources in sources.list only if a package is not available on the mirror (the mirror falls behind often).  My system prefers sources.list over sources.list.d/mirror.list, is there a way to change the preference?
[22:54] <skath_> us.archive.ubuntu is so slow the past few days :~(
[22:55] <Martyn> skath : Use mirrors .. and torrents
[22:56] <skath_> There are no torrents of the .deb files and I'm not interested in the ISO
[22:56] <skath_> I am using a mirror, like I said, but most mirrors don't have the most recent version of every packages so I get lots of 404s
[22:56] <solistic> trayer is gone. What to use as an alternative with Xmonad? Any ideas?
[22:57] <alokito> why does the package information take a long time to download in karmic? it downloads almost 8 mb on each refresh but in jaunty i had to download only a few kbs
[22:57] <skath_> I want apt to pull the packages from the mirrors, except when there is a 404, then it should pull it from the overloaded official server
[22:58] <Martyn> skath : That will fix itself shortly
[22:58] <Martyn> there's a lot of replication going on ...
[22:59] <skath_> alokito, the amount of package info you need to download is roughly proportional to the number of updates available.  Jaunty is stable and has very few updates.  Karmic is under development and has lots of updates
[23:00] <braindev> can anyone tell me whether the intel graphics bug also applies to the 855GM chipset?
[23:00] <braindev> got hardware, would test
[23:00] <darthanubis> intel is intel, test
[23:00] <alokito> skath_: ok, thanks
[23:01] <Trizicus> BUGabundo: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
[23:01] <braindev> i am completely new to this... where can i get the daily build live cd? or which one would you recommend for testing?
[23:02] <test34> Ubuntu should follow pulseaudio's perfect setup if they want to use pulseaudio
[23:03] <test34> braindev, http://ubuntu.cs.utah.edu/releases/9.10/
[23:04] <iceroot> karmic beta von working with current vbox (3.06)? always restart the x-server at start/login
[23:05] <darthanubis> braindev, asking for links here is usually pointless when GOOGLE will render them much faster than someone can type
[23:06] <darthanubis> I ask in a futile attempt at an answer. 90% I don't get one in IRC channel. Then I google and have several answers immediately. I then learned to search google FIRST.
[23:06] <skath_> Martyn, I know the problem will fix itself shortly, I'm using the current problem as an excuse to learn about apt, that's why I ask the question
[23:06] <darthanubis> Hope that helps since you said you were new to this
[23:06] <darthanubis> See watch this..
[23:07] <darthanubis> I have to mount -a after desktop is up to have 2 of my 3 LVM XFS partitions mount. Why?
[23:07] <braindev> you are right, but i wondered that the links i have found for the DAILY build is as of 2009-09-29
[23:07] <AlanBell> !daily
[23:07] <MaximLevitsky> soren: do you still maintain libmms?
[23:07] <darthanubis> Daily means Daily
[23:07] <DopeGhot1> darthanubis: pastebin your dmsg, there may be a note in there as to why they're failing to mount.
[23:08] <darthanubis> DopeGhot1, there is nothing there but acknowledgement of the one XFS partition mounting
[23:08] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/mountall/+bug/432620
[23:08] <CydeSwype> trying to figure out if my issue with compiz has already been logged in launchpad...do i have to find the compiz package in launchpad to find that sort of bug?
[23:08] <DopeGhot1> darthanubis: ugly hackish fix:  put mount -a into /etc/rc.local
[23:08] <braindev> @darthanubis: thatś why i was wondering: file ages of the iso images state 2009-09-29
[23:09] <darthanubis> DopeGhot1, I'll pass onthat hideous hack
[23:13] <scyx> is there a release schedule for the Karmic Ubuntu Moblin Remix yet? I guess the final will drop a few months after Karmic?
[23:15] <ign0ramus> hey all.
[23:15] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8042790#post8042790
[23:16] <ign0ramus> i'm probably missing something simple here, but on a fully updated Karmic using kernel 2.6.31-11-generic, kdm never autostarts. It logs me in to a tty in which I can start kdm to log in, but not automatically. Using 2.6.31-10, i don't have this issue. any thoughts?
[23:19] <Xgates>  under Software Sources, community-maintained open source software (universe) is checked but when I do a search in Synpatic for either xchat or cheese nothing comes up
[23:20] <Martyn> with the new upstart replacing init ... what is the correct method to boot Ubuntu in single user now with grub-2 replacing grub?
[23:20] <Martyn> for an emergency boot...
[23:20] <Xgates> Now I'm not a big Ubuntu user, more from Slackware, but I wanted to try Karmic and when I look online I see that Xchat and Cheese are listed in Universe, so in the Software Sources if community-maintained open source software (universe) is checked then this is all I need?
[23:21] <reportingsjr> If I ran apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to 9.10 do I just restart after it updated all of the correct packages?
[23:21] <ign0ramus> reportingsjr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:22] <dabbler> apt-cache search xchat
[23:22] <reportingsjr> ign0ramus: so yes, restart.
[23:22] <reportingsjr> ign0ramus: I didn't use the gui.
[23:22] <Xgates> can someone please tell me why Xchat is not showing up in Synaptic?
[23:22] <reportingsjr> ign0ramus: thank you :)
[23:23] <ign0ramus> reportingsjr, yes, but i've never used 'dist-upgrade' to upgrade :/
[23:23] <ign0ramus> Xgates, I assume you've updated your sources after enabling them?
[23:24] <Xgates> I thought you don't need to change anything because Universe is enabled by default
[23:24] <ign0ramus> Xgates, 'apt-cache policy xchat' shows: " 500 http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu karmic/universe Packages " (i'm using the MIT servers)
[23:25] <Xgates> sorry what?
[23:25] <ign0ramus> Xgates, first do 'sudo apt-get update'
[23:25] <Xgates> ok
[23:25] <maxflax> Networkmanager won't manage my wifi.. says NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2). what does it mean and how do I fix it
[23:26] <ign0ramus> Xgates, now does 'sudo apt-get install xchat' work?
[23:26] <alokito> how much speed are you getting in karmic apt? right now im getting 3 kbps :|
[23:26] <ign0ramus> alokito, change servers ;)
[23:27] <alokito> ign0ramus: does all the servers have same updatest at the same time as the main?
[23:27] <alokito> updates*
[23:27] <Trizicus> some updates I cannot check to install why is this?
[23:27] <Xgates> ign0ramus: ok well for now I'm just looking in Synaptic to see if Xchat will show up in there if I do a search and it doesn't
[23:27] <ign0ramus> alokito, that's a good question. immediately? maybe not. within hours? most likely.
[23:28] <ign0ramus> Xgates, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[23:28] <alokito> ign0ramus: well I want the updates as soon as they are released
[23:28] <yofel_> alokito: the mirrors are synchronized with the main server every some hours, so they're always a bit behind main
[23:28] <ign0ramus> alokito, then stick with Main and suffer under the load :)
[23:29] <dtchen> guys and gals, please use mirrors.
[23:29] <ign0ramus> dtchen, +1 ... but whatever happened to the 'find the fastest server' feature?
[23:30] <topyli> i seem to have it
[23:30] <Trizicus> When I check for updates in ubuntu I cannot select to install some of them, why is this?
[23:31] <alokito> lol, ok :)
[23:31] <topyli> Trizicus, they depend on packages that don't exist yet. try again tomorrow
[23:31] <ign0ramus> Trizicus, if updates are being held back, its because dependencies cannot currently be resolved
[23:32] <ign0ramus> Trizicus, often, this can be circumvented using 'dist-upgrade', but i don't recommend it.
[23:32] <ign0ramus> Trizicus, here's some good reading: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Some_upgrades_show_packages_being_kept_back
[23:32] <Xgates> ign0ramus:  http://pastebin.com/m4e775168
[23:33] <maxflax> NoelJB - well, google is my friend they say. Have a nice drive
[23:33] <maxflax> Networkmanager won't manage my wifi.. says NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan0): deactivating device (reason: 2). what does it mean and how do I fix it
[23:33] <braindev> one should drill apt-get to use torrent, too ;)
[23:33] <ign0ramus> Xgates, yes, you definitely have Universe enabled. The only thing i can think of is that xchat or cheese require dependencies which reside in repos you do not have enabled.
[23:33] <grigris> hi with what c ommand i make upgrade to 9.10
[23:34] <alokito> grigris: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:34] <ign0ramus> Xgates, come to think of it, I'm almost positive that Cheese requires some gstreamer plugins that are in Restricted or Multiverse or something.
[23:34] <grigris> thnk u
[23:34] <Xgates> ign0ramus: Software Source has everything checked and I didn't think Xchat needed anything special
[23:34] <yofel_> grigris: if you want to update from jaunty then use 'update-manager -c -d'
[23:35] <grigris> ok
[23:35] <yofel> giesen: or 'update-manager -d' if you want to use the GUI
[23:35] <ign0ramus> Xgates, well, a quick and dirty way to check is to uncomment your other sources that are blocked, update, and see if you can install.
[23:35] <Xgates> ign0ramus: but Xchat is available by default in Jaunty
[23:35] <reportingsjr> I have a boot time (from bios to login) of about 40-50 seconds for 9.10. 2.0 GHz core 2 duo and 2gb of ram. Is this expected?
[23:36] <Xgates> ign0ramus: I didn't check anything in Software Sources, the FIRST thing I did was just do a search for Xchat and nothing
[23:36] <ign0ramus> reportingsjr, I have a similar time on similar specs
[23:36] <alokito> reportingsjr: nope, my boot time is about 20 seconds in a p4 2.8 ghz
[23:36] <reportingsjr> ign0ramus: I thought there was supposed to be a speed increase. =\
[23:36] <ign0ramus> Xgates, i don't believe xchat was installed by default in jaunty
[23:36] <ign0ramus> reportingsjr, for SSDs, yes.
[23:37] <reportingsjr> oh...
[23:37] <alokito> ign0ramus: ssd is slower than hdd? :-/
[23:37] <reportingsjr> 0.o I don't think I got several of the folder icon upgrades and several icons are flat out missing
[23:37] <Xgates> ign0ramus: it's in Universe here --> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xchat
[23:37] <ign0ramus> reportingsjr, for the rest of us, there was talk of increase in boot speeds, but i noticed little difference from hardy > jaunty > karmic
[23:37] <reportingsjr> alokito: no, the limiting factor in current booting is that hdds are so slow.
[23:38] <Xgates> ign0ramus: as I said before I'm not aq big Ubuntu user but I am a Linux user and when I used Jaunty last week all I had to do was search for Xchat in Jaunty and install it, nothing elese
[23:38] <Xgates> aq/a....
[23:38] <ign0ramus> Xgates, so what if you download and install the .deb?
[23:38] <alokito> reportingsjr: didn't get u
[23:39] <Xgates> ign0ramus: what you mean by the CLI apt?
[23:39] <ign0ramus> Xgates, ah, i see what you mean now. it was in the default repos in jaunty. I don't know the exact reason
[23:39] <alokito> if ssd is faster then why is booting slow?
[23:39] <reportingsjr> alokito: SSDs are very fast so it doesn't matter about them. The reason boot time is so slow for me is because HDDs are so much slower.
[23:39] <reportingsjr> With SSD it's based on how faster your CPU and RAM is mainly.
[23:39] <alokito> okay..
[23:39] <Xgates> ign0ramus: ok can you do this as well, open Synaptic and do a search for Xchat and tell me what you get?
[23:40] <Xgates> ign0ramus: didn't you see the URL I just posted? It's in there ---->  http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xchat
[23:40] <ign0ramus> Xgates, i don't have synaptic
[23:40] <ign0ramus> Xgates, but i'm saying the .deb is right there... can you download and install that way?
[23:40] <yofel> Xgates: on my karmic machine I have xchat in karmic/universe
[23:40] <alokito> im getting best speed from a argentina server :-S
[23:41] <dan457> Anyone seen this error with grub 2 before?  Invalid environment block
[23:41] <braindev> Xgates: I had the same problem here using 8.04
[23:41] <alokito> ubuntu.patan.com.ar
[23:41] <dan457> Cannot boot one of my boxes now
[23:41] <ign0ramus> Xgates, again "apt-cache policy xchat" will show what repo has the package
[23:41] <yofel> Xgates: did you check in Sofware Properties that you have the Universe repository enabled?
[23:41] <ign0ramus> yofel, he does, i saw his /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:41] <Xgates> ign0ramus: yeah through apt it shows up from the CLI, I"m just trying to figure out WHY Synpatic isn't showig it, that's all...
[23:41] <yofel> ign0ramus: ok
[23:42] <ign0ramus> Xgates, i can't tell you why synaptic isn't showing it. sorry if that's all you wanted to know; i have no solution for that particular problem.
[23:42] <Xgates> In the 'Software Sources' 'Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)' is enabled by default
[23:42] <Xgates> ign0ramus: ok
[23:42] <ign0ramus> Xgates, just out of curiosity, does kpackagekit show it?
[23:43] <Xgates> yofel: 'Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)' is that it?
[23:43] <yofel> Xgates: wait a minute for my updates to finish here and I'll check in my syaptic if it's there
[23:43] <Xgates> ign0ramus: let me see
[23:43] <Xgates> yofel: k
[23:45] <Xgates> ign0ramus: yeah Xchat is in there
[23:46] <ign0ramus> Xgates, sounds like a synapitc issue, then. CLI shows it, kpackage shows it... synaptic issue. wish i could help :/
[23:46] <Xgates> ign0ramus: System - Admin - Add Remove Packages correct?
[23:46] <ign0ramus> Xgates, iirc, it's using the same backend as kpackagekit, so yeah.
[23:46] <yofel> Xgates: I can find xchat in Synaptic here
[23:46] <Xgates> ok all facny GUI with pics, hehe
[23:47] <Xgates> looks NICE
[23:47] <Xgates> they should DUMP Synaptic and just use this, much nicer looking GUI IMHO....
[23:47] <Xgates> yofel: ok let me check again
[23:47] <ign0ramus> Xgates, for gui, i still think synaptic is probably the best, but one CLI to rule them all!
[23:48] <yofel> Xgates: it's a replacement for the old Gnome Add/Remove, Synaptic still has several advantages
[23:48] <ign0ramus> Xgates, kpackagekit looks nice, needs some refinement and more features (like pinning or installing older versions of software)
[23:48] <maxflax> How do I disable the rfkill module?
[23:48] <ign0ramus> maxflax, disable for this session, or remove it entirely?
[23:49] <Xgates> yofel: ok guys like I said I'm not a Ubuntu user, but I'm not a newbie either and I know for a fact that Xchat is in Synaptic by defualt in Jaunty
[23:49] <maxflax> ign0ramus - well not remove but make it so it doesn't load at startup
[23:49] <ign0ramus> maxflax, blacklist it
[23:49] <Xgates> Software Sources do I need to change anything in it?
[23:49] <maxflax> ign0ramus - might want it again when they fix the bugg in networkmanager
[23:50] <ign0ramus> maxflax, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166624
[23:50] <maxflax> ign0ramus - where and how do I blacklist it.. is it in rc.conf?
[23:50] <ign0ramus> maxflax, see the article ^
[23:50] <Amaranth> hmm
[23:50] <Amaranth> !blacklist
[23:51] <Xgates> yofel: did you change anything in the Software Sources GUI?
[23:51] <cousteau> how can I profile the boot sequence?
[23:51] <Amaranth> cousteau: install bootchart
[23:51] <Xgates> everything is checked in mine except the CD at the bottom
[23:51] <dtchen> Amaranth: probably needs updating for the new module-init-tools that expects /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf
[23:51] <yofel> !bootchart | cousteau
[23:51] <Amaranth> dtchen: yeah but won't that fail in older versions?
[23:51] <cousteau> Amaranth: I'm just installing it
[23:51] <dtchen> Amaranth: no
[23:52] <dtchen> Amaranth: as long as there's a version caveat, all the cases are covered
[23:52] <Amaranth> dtchen: So we trade a warning in one version for a warning in a bunch of versions
[23:52] <cousteau> but I want to know how can I profile the boot sequence as I did on Jaunty so it boots faster, or if it's not necessary with the new booting system, or what
[23:53] <Amaranth> oh
[23:53] <yofel> Xgates: well, my sources list looks very different than the default one, but for xchat you only need to have the universe repository enabled, if synaptic can't find it I don't know why
[23:53] <Amaranth> it's done automatically
[23:53] <Amaranth> cousteau: If a package changes the files loaded at boot time the list is regenerated next time you boot
[23:54] <ign0ramus> Amaranth, isn't that what readahead was all about?
[23:54] <cousteau> oh, ok
[23:54] <Amaranth> It's also regenerated once a month whether you change anything or not
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[23:55] <mshooshtari> Can somebody help me with networkmanger, gnome, vpnc?
[23:55] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yo yo yo
[23:55] <Amaranth> ign0ramus: sreadahead in this case
[23:55] <ign0ramus> Amaranth, that's what i thought :)
[23:55] <Xgates> yofel: ok so my question is? In the 'Software Sources GUI', if 'ccommunity-maintained open source software (universe)' is checked this is the Universe we are talking about and that is all that is needed for Universe?
[23:56] <yofel> Xgates: afaik it should be enough, and if 'apt-cache policy xchat' gives you something then it IS enough
[23:56] <ign0ramus> Xgates, it appears that way, as your 2 packages in Universe show up in both add/remove and via CLI. For some reason, Synaptice isn't picking it up, but I don't know why.
[23:57] <Xgates> ok I'm doing an update maybe the Update will fix it
[23:57] <Xgates> looks like quite a bit to update
[23:57] <Xgates> I see they are using Grub2 in this thing
[23:58] <Xgates> I don't remember does Grub 2 use menu.lst?
[23:58] <yofel> Xgates: grub2 is the default boot manager in karmic
[23:58] <DopeGhot1> no, it does not
[23:58] <DopeGhot1> it uses grub.cfg, which is generated from files in /etc
[23:58] <yofel> Xgates: no, it's configuration files are in /etc
[23:58] <yofel> !grub2 | Xgates
[23:58] <Xgates> ahh ok
[23:58] <Xgates> Grub2 is still beta and they
[23:58] <cousteau> ok, now I get a tgz archive with 4 text files on it, where's the bootchart?
[23:58] <ign0ramus> so anyway, does anyone know why when booting into 2.6.31-11-generic, it drops me into a tty, but an older kernel starts kdm?
[23:59] <Xgates> and they/when Karmic goes final they're going to release it with a beta boot loader?
[23:59] <Xgates> lol
[23:59] <DopeGhot1> I've migrated three systems from GRUB to GRUB-PC (aka GRUB2) and it's worked fine in all cases
[23:59]  * DopeGhot1 knocks on wood
[23:59] <ign0ramus> DopeGhot1, i had an issue with it not reporting windows at first reboot, but an update squared that away O_o