[07:55] <kwwii> mac_v: I thought it matched the colors in the icons well
[07:55] <kwwii> but anyway, I have work to do :)
[07:55] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah.. ok.. when can you help with the humanity changelog?
[08:41] <tgpraveen> http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/karmic-tray-icons-match.html
[08:42] <tgpraveen> ignore last msg
[11:21] <Cimi> kwwii, IMVIO (in my very important opinion) the icons in the notification area should follow the same colors used by the test. Your grey icons won't work on grey panels for example
[11:21] <Cimi> by the text
[11:21] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I agree
[11:21] <kwwii> but for now, this is what we have
[11:21] <Cimi> ok ;)
[11:21] <kwwii> for lucid we'll work on that more
[11:22] <Cimi> you can use convert to change batch of icons in a second
[11:22] <artnay> my 50-year-old test subject didn't see those monochrome icons, he said they were "almost invisible"
[11:23] <artnay> and yes, he is using glasses
[11:27] <kwwii> artnay: do you have the latest version? they were made darker
[11:40] <kwwii> mac_v: so I guess we should discuss the humanity package at some point today, or?
[11:43] <mac_v> kwwii: yup , its all ready... the problem is the bzr doesnt have the debian format.. so building the .deb is not possible yet...
[11:43] <mac_v> bzr humanity
[11:43]  * mac_v now trying to correct it
[11:43] <kwwii> mac_v: last night you said there was a packaged version in bzr?
[11:44] <mac_v> kwwii: i thought so too , but that was a tar.gz!
[11:44] <kwwii> just take the source from the current package, change the name to not have a version number in it, add your changes
[11:44] <kwwii> apt-get source humanity (or such)
[11:45] <kwwii> change the name of the dir to just humanity (or whatever, without the version number)
[11:45] <kwwii> add your changes
[11:45] <kwwii> update the changelog
[11:45] <kwwii> see if it builds ;
[11:45] <kwwii> )
[11:45] <mac_v> ;)
[11:45] <kwwii> I can help you, if you'd like...I have offered that from the beginning
[11:46] <mac_v> kwwii: sure , help is welcome :)
[11:46] <mac_v> i'm now doing what you have just mentioned above
[11:47] <kwwii> mac_v: you have the tar.gz and the .dsc file?
[11:47] <mac_v> kwwii: that tar.gz , doesnt have humanity-dark , lool wants them both in the same package
[11:48] <kwwii> mac_v: where did you get the tar.bz from?
[11:48] <kwwii> gz
[11:48] <kwwii> anyway...jsut do what I said above and we won't get into dpkg today ;)
[11:48] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe , DanRabbit did a "bzr export ../humanit_0.4" and packaged it up ;)
[11:50] <kwwii> mac_v: so that is just icons, or does it have a /debian dir and builds as a package?
[11:50] <mac_v> just the icons , thats the prob... we dont have a /debian dir yet :(
[11:51] <kwwii> let me move to another computer, brb
[11:53] <kwwii> ok
[11:53] <mac_v> argh! the source also doesnt have the /debian dir :(
[11:54] <mac_v> source only has the icons...
[11:54] <mac_v> oh!
[11:54] <mac_v> oops! ... i was blind ;p
[11:57] <mac_v> kwwii: this needs a lot more editing. since the package will have to install 2 themes
[11:59] <mac_v> kwwii: if we change this "for d in $$(find $(CURDIR)/debian/humanity-icon-theme/usr/share/icons/Humanity"
[11:59] <mac_v> to this > "for d in $$(find $(CURDIR)/debian/humanity-icon-theme/usr/share/icons"
[11:59] <mac_v> would that do the trick?
[11:59] <kwwii> sorry, my wife just called...let me read back
[12:02] <kwwii> mac_v: after looking at it for a 30s, I would say, edit the install file, adding a line for the dark theme...(copy the other, change the dir names as necessary)
[12:03] <mac_v> ;)
[12:03]  * mac_v tries
[12:03] <mac_v> kwwii: no need to edit the rules file?
[12:03] <kwwii> mac_v: then copy the entire "for" part all the way down to "done" and paste it just before "touch", again editing the dir and paths as necessary
[12:04] <kwwii> that is in rules
[12:04] <mac_v> yeah .
[12:04] <mac_v> ok
[12:04] <kwwii> then edit the control file
[12:04] <kwwii> although that should probably not be necessary
[12:04] <kwwii> but I haven't looked in it yet ;)
[12:05] <kwwii> nope, on need to change anything there, although it might be nice to edit the description
[12:05] <kwwii> but that is up to you guys
[12:05] <mac_v> kwwii: just a sec... why doing it twice?  previous the file structure was differnt
[12:06] <mac_v> now lool made us change it... so now all icons are in humanity/Humanity and humanity/Humanity-Dark
[12:06] <mac_v> argh! let me try... i'm not able to explain ;p
[12:07] <kwwii> what?
[12:07] <kwwii> relax
[12:08] <kwwii> I do not think you can put both in one directory
[12:09] <kwwii> there can only be one index.theme file per theme dir
[12:09] <kwwii> so you will have to have /usr/share/icons/Humanity and /usr/share/icons/Humanity-Dark
[12:10] <kwwii> both of the for clauses will need to be edited to reflect this path
[12:11] <kwwii> in the rules file
[12:12] <kwwii> mac_v: hello?
[12:13] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe! just a sec... could you download $bzr branch lp:humanity
[12:13] <mac_v> there are 2 index.theme
[12:13] <mac_v> each in humanity and humanity-dark
[12:18] <kwwii> yes, of course
[12:18] <kwwii> but that is just the package
[12:18] <kwwii> in the end they will be installed in different dirs
[12:19] <mac_v> hrmm... :(
[12:19] <kwwii> what is the problem?
[12:19] <kwwii> or what do you want?
[12:19] <mac_v> i get error in changelog. ... :(
[12:19] <mac_v> Could not parse changelog: Unexpected line while looking for more change data or trailer
[12:20] <kwwii> I suggest you push what you have so far to a bzr repo so that we can work on it together
[12:21] <kwwii> make sure you do a "sudo apt-get build-dep Humanity-icons-theme
[12:21] <kwwii> erm, no H, rather h
[12:22] <kwwii> how did you edit the changelog?
[12:22] <mac_v> kwwii: its all in the bzr , nothing more to push , only packaging has not been done
[12:22] <mac_v> kwwii: using gedit
[12:22] <kwwii> mac_v: erm, I am talking about the packaging you are doing now
[12:23] <mac_v> kwwii: let me do one thing... i'll give you the complete changelog , could you pls package it?
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: hrm, it would be better to use a tool like "dch -i"...you might have missed something or added something worng
[12:23] <kwwii> mac_v: I packaged it almost 4 months ago :D
[12:24] <kwwii> I can take care of it, yes
[12:24] <mac_v> just a sec
[12:24] <kwwii> I will do it based on lool's package
[12:24] <kwwii> now that I have told you everthing to do, it is pretty clear to me ;)
[12:27] <kwwii> but first, time to get a coffee and have a smoke
[13:16]  * kwwii heads out to pick up his kid from school, bbiab
[13:45] <psyke83> hi
[13:47] <SiDi> hi
[13:54] <mac_v> hi
[14:34] <kwwii> hrm, all the links in this theme make it amazingly hard to understand
[14:34] <kwwii> mac_v: the theme is 95% symlinks
[14:35] <kwwii> this is *not* the right way to do this
[14:35] <kwwii> but anyway
[15:03] <mac_v> kwwii: yeah , the symlinks are weird :/
[15:05] <mac_v> kwwii: there are way too many links ... not sure why DanRabbit has so many of those
[15:08] <kwwii> mac_v: it should all be in a .links file in the debian dir, that would make things easier to manager
[15:08] <kwwii> especially because they all point to the same svgs
[15:08] <kwwii> silliness really
[15:08] <mac_v> kwwii: ;) sometimes a symlink points to another symlink ... 0.o
[15:08] <mac_v> which points elsewhere
[15:09] <mac_v> it was really tough when changing the symlinks => file
[15:10] <mac_v> kwwii: i think since DanRabbit started elementary a while ago... those links just kept piling up... next step will be cleaning the theme
[15:10] <mac_v> some of the old labels were dropped
[15:16] <mac_v> SiDi: how does the naming in Xubuntu work? does the gnome+hicolor theme have all the sufficient icons? or does Xubunutu need any extra labels?
[15:16] <mac_v> knome: ^ too ;)
[15:17] <SiDi> mac_v: i actually dont know how things will be done yet :p
[15:17] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[15:17] <SiDi> so far we're doing & requesting the icons we lack, then we'll probably put all that in xubuntu-artwork
[15:18] <kwwii> mac_v: http://sinecera.de/humanity-icon-theme_0.3.2.deb
[15:18] <kwwii> mac_v: look at that and tell me if everything is included
[15:19] <mac_v> kwwii: hehe , nice 404 ;p
[15:19] <kwwii> mac_v: http://sinecera.de/humanity-icon-theme_0.3.2_all.deb
[15:21] <mac_v> kwwii: "if everything is included" in the sense?  are all the human icons replaced?
[15:21] <kwwii> mac_v: no, whether this really installs all the icons and symlinks ;)
[15:21] <kwwii> I think it does, but you would know better than I ;)
[15:21] <mac_v> oh. ;p
[15:24] <mac_v> kwwii: doesnt install ... says > dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor> : Bad file descriptor
[15:26] <kwwii> hrm, yeah...that is a problem :p
[15:26] <kwwii> ok, I'll look into that and get it going after I get back from the train station
[17:25] <DanRabbit> kwwii, mac_v: the symlinks are there as to provide compatibility will all the apps out there. Third party developers don't always name things correctly ;)
[17:25] <DanRabbit> Also, there are links that point to other links because some icons are due to be replaced
[17:25] <DanRabbit> for example, there could be a mimetype for text-x-ruby and it's a link that point to text-x-script
[17:26] <DanRabbit> and eventually text-x-ruby should have it's own icon
[17:26] <DanRabbit> so links like application-x-ruby will point to text-x-ruby instead of text-x-script
[17:29] <DanRabbit> This is foresight, not a mistake ;)
[17:42] <kwwii> DanRabbit: right but they should not be in the dir itself but in a file and created at bui
[17:42] <kwwii> build
[17:43] <DanRabbit> I agree
[17:43] <DanRabbit> I've not knowledge of how to do that, however ;)
[17:57] <tgpraveen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/437606 should i file this bug in humanity or is it good enough to be filed here itself?
[18:01] <SiDi> kwwii: you could have waited for lucid to begin using humanity. Now because of that DanRabbit is not available for elementary :p
[18:01] <jonian_g_> ubottu: I can work on that if it is necessary
[18:03] <tgpraveen> jonian_g that would be great
[18:03] <tgpraveen> assign the bug to urself
[18:04] <jonian_g_> ok, it will be ready in about an hour and I'll upload it in bzr
[18:06] <kwwii> SiDi: lol
[18:06] <kwwii> DanRabbit: no worries, once we get this set up, it won't be a problem
[18:09] <DanRabbit> SiDi: I am setting aside some time for elementary ;)
[18:09] <DanRabbit> new release either today or tomorrow
[18:09] <kwwii> btw, if anyone is interested...here is the first of our icon testing:
[18:09] <kwwii> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=8hXmjrmFS7TmQCjh7jJB_2bQ_3d_3d
[18:09]  * DanRabbit --> shower
[18:09] <mac_v> yeah , once again kwwii to the rescue \o/
[18:11] <kwwii> I suggest everyone go through that, whether you use launchpad or not
[18:14] <SiDi> my answers will be 200% verbose
[18:14] <SiDi> but i'm gonna do it :)
[18:36] <jonian_g_> Bug # 437606 fixed. Now I wonder why I said I need an hour to do it!
[18:40] <tgpraveen1> jonian_g wooo hoo ! thx
[18:41] <tgpraveen1> btw could u upload a screenshot of how it looks now. am at my windows laptop now and cant wait to see it
[18:41] <tgpraveen1> :)
[18:42] <jonian_g_> ok
[18:44] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[18:46] <tgpraveen1> jonian_g: btw hows the progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/humanity-icon-theme/+bug/436462?
[18:48] <jonian_g> tgpraveen1: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1541424/Screenshot.png
[18:49] <jonian_g> the other bug is on its way
[18:49] <jonian_g> I just need some help an which are the icons for pendrives
[18:49] <jonian_g> *on
[18:51] <tgpraveen1> k. great work on that previous bug
[18:51] <jonian_g> thanks
[18:53] <jonian_g> btw, can't we use 24px icons on nautilus side panel?
[18:55] <tgpraveen1> dont knw much. maybe mac_v ^^ knows
[18:56] <mac_v> jonian_g: the side pane uses only 16px
[18:56]  * DanRabbit --> be back later
[18:57] <jonian_g> mac_v: I know mate. I'm just thinking that it would be better if it used 24px... visibility reasons (some people don't have sharp eyes)
[18:58] <mac_v> hehe , we can hack it ;)
[18:58] <mac_v> jonian_g: argh! another upload ;p ... you are a machine ;)
[18:58] <jonian_g> nah, I'm a bit lay lately :P
[18:59] <jonian_g> *lazy
[18:59] <mac_v> jonian_g: just a few hrs ago i put up the 0.4.1 ,
[18:59] <mac_v> on lp
[19:00] <jonian_g> mac_v: will the new icons (after beta) be included?
[19:00] <mac_v> jonian_g: will you be doing any more icons? i *think* kwwii has already packaged the icons for ubuntu upload...
[19:01] <jonian_g> I'm doing the ones for pendrives
[19:02] <jay-tmt-2> Hi everyone -- I have two quick questions that probably have very simple answers:  Why is it that the Human theme has such a heavy black shadow in the titlebar text?  And why does the text seem not to be vertically centered?
[19:02] <mac_v> hmm , ah well... users can download it from lp bzr ;)
[19:02] <mac_v> jonian_g: ^
[19:02] <jonian_g> mac_v: can you, please, tell me which icons are for pendrives?
[19:03]  * mac_v checks
[19:04] <mac_v> jonian_g: devices/drive-removable-media-usb-pendrive.png
[19:04] <jonian_g> thanks mc_v
[19:04] <jonian_g> *mac_v
[19:04] <mac_v> jonian_g: np :)
[19:16] <tgpraveen1> (11:31:36 PM) mac_v: hmm , ah well... users can download it from lp bzr <---- u mean it wont be karmic final?
[19:17] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: not sure!...
[19:17] <tgpraveen1> k
[19:18] <tgpraveen1> gn everyone
[19:26] <jonian_g> tgpraveen1: any suggestion for the pendrive color? a light purple maybe?
[21:17] <psyke83> hi
[21:17] <psyke83> kwwii: any news re: the metacity?
[21:18] <kwwii> psyke83: none at all, actually
[21:18] <kwwii> psyke83: I think they are really busy with other work
[21:19] <psyke83> sure
[21:19] <psyke83> did you take a look at the proposals? Any you personally like?
[21:22] <psyke83> I'm not sure if it's dark enough for them
[21:27] <kwwii> I like a couple of the full gradients but I am guessing it is kinda late in the cycle for these changes
[21:28] <kwwii> heading out to bed now
[21:28] <kwwii> I'll be online all weekend
[21:32] <psyke83> yes, it's a shame I didn't try it earlier
[21:33] <psyke83> anyway, nite nite :)
[21:52] <zniavre> http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2264/screenshotul.png > im looking for something close to this mockup > google search zone , inside the panel. some of you know if it exists on Linux please ?
[21:56] <mac_v> zniavre: i think deskbar , or something of the sort does that,  you can add the search *icon* to the panel , but i dont think you can add a search bar... i'v been looking for one too , if you find it pls ping me too ;)
[22:04] <zniavre> mac_v, that s true deskbar is not what i really want and i never find this feature  at this moment