[00:01] <jblackhall> seems to me like an important (but very obvious) regression since Jaunty, so I'm assuming they know it's there and it's either 1. on purpose and it won't be fixed or 2. it's already planned to be fixed
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Franoculator> alright, I have an issue with 9.10 beta UNR, and I need some guidance as to how to produce some meaningful errors to report.
[08:17] <Franoculator> I hit the rfkill key, and my wifi card is disabled, but the system hangs and has to be reset.
[08:17] <Franoculator> how can I get more details to include in a bug report?  or is that the best I can offer?
[08:30] <YoBoY> perhaps looking in the log files to see what appened
[08:54] <thekorn> good morning everybody
[12:17] <Mez> how am I settng a 5-a-day tag for the jam?
[12:23] <hacktick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Events
[12:31] <mwider> hello, I have small question about package debuging ...
[12:32] <mwider> lets say I'd like to debug some package, I downloaded dbg symbols
[12:32] <mwider> but how can I use it with gdb?
[13:41] <dholbach> Mez: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Events - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[14:13] <Mez> dholbach: I've read, no idea how to create a tag though.
[14:14] <dholbach> Mez: add your team to the list
[14:14] <dholbach> you see the table
[14:14] <dholbach> use that :)
[14:14] <dholbach> ask participants to also join https://launchpad.net/~5-a-day-participants/+join
[14:15] <dholbach> choose a tag
[14:18] <Mez> oh, so the tag doesnt need to be configured anywhere
[14:18] <Mez> cool
[14:19] <dholbach> Mez: where could the documentation be clearer?
[14:21] <Mez> dholbach: I'm thinking "Ok, I need to create a tag for this" ... and then thinking "ok, so how do I do that"
[14:21] <Mez> needs to explain what the tag is in more detail maybe
[14:21] <Mez> Also, an interesting thing that's just been asked.
[14:21] <Mez> What is "gravity"? (related to bugs)
[14:22] <dholbach> dunno
[14:22] <dholbach> maybe people who said "affects me too"?
[14:22] <Mez> 420 for a bug that was reported yesterday?
[14:22] <Mez> I thought that myself, but I don't know
[14:23] <dholbach> best to ask bdmurray when he turns up
[14:23] <dholbach> I just added a line about the tag
[14:24] <thekorn> there is a box at http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/bugnumbers/yesterday.html which explains how gravity is calculated
[14:25] <dholbach> Mez: ^
[14:30] <thatscoteng> hi folks,
[14:31] <thatscoteng> I am wanting to report a problem with the installer system but not sure of the pakage
[14:32] <thatscoteng> I had selected dvorak keyboard during the install of karmic beta, but this has been ignored and I have been given the default keyboard
[14:32] <dholbach> thatscoteng: try asking cjwatson or evand in #ubuntu-devel
[14:33] <dholbach> IIRC they were discussing something like that a bit earlier on
[14:35] <thatscoteng> thanks
[14:43] <imi> hello
[14:46] <imi> I am about to report a bug: if I translate it back from hungarian correctly in the places->recently used documents menu when you open a document by clickin it there, no matter how regularly do that, that document will swap out of the list. so somehow using a recent document from that place, doesn't counts toward recent usage
[14:46] <imi> and I don't know which package to report as containing this bug
[15:29] <hggdh> jcastro: ping
[15:29] <jcastro> pong
[15:52] <douwe_> Hi, I'm trying out the karmic beta right now and was wondering if anything is known about problems with the sis191 wired lan driver. It connects fine, but quality is erratic and anything more than a webpage consisting of text makes it incredibly slow. I don't have this problem on windows
[17:45] <Franoculator> I have an issue with 9.10 beta UNR, and I need some guidance as to how to produce some meaningful errors to report.
[17:46] <Franoculator> I hit the rfkill key, and my wifi card is disabled, but the system hangs and has to be reset.
[17:46] <Franoculator> how can I get more details to include in a bug report?  or is that the best I can offer?
[17:48] <olmari> maco:  here I am
[17:49] <maco> olmari: ok, so check out http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs and search a bit to see if a bug fitting your issue has been reported
[17:51] <maco> olmari: also, is this karmic or jaunty?
[17:52] <marco_> hi
[17:52] <marco_> can i report 2 bug? :o
[17:53] <maco> marco_: just run "ubuntu-bug <packagename>" like "ubuntu-bug firefox-3.5" or what have you
[17:53] <maco> itll walk you through
[17:54] <marco_> help me just to understand the package :P
[17:55] <marco_> it's plasma related i thing
[17:55] <olmari> maco:  karmic, and at quick look, couldn't see that this exact same symptom, yet more or less similar slash propably related
[17:55] <marco_> when i turn on composition and changed some effect
[17:55] <maco> olmari: ok well id guess the problem is devicekit, so "ubuntu-bug devicekit" and state your problem and also say "may be related to bugs... " and list eh numbers
[17:55] <marco_> the font configuration changed
[17:56] <marco_> i really liked the customization at beginning
[17:56] <maco> did you change your plasma theme?
[17:56] <marco_> no
[17:57] <marco_> just activated composition
[17:57] <marco_> the font size SHOULD be the same
[17:57] <marco_> at least in system settings is the same
[17:57] <maco> ok
[17:57] <marco_> but it's very smaller
[17:57] <maco> hrm sebas would know this
[17:58] <marco_> and if i press "defaults" it changes to KDE defaults
[17:58] <marco_> not Kubuntu defaults
[17:58] <marco_> u understand?
[17:58] <marco_> sry mt english :S
[17:58] <marco_> my*
[17:58] <maco> yeah
[17:58] <marco_> then
[17:59] <marco_> what i should write and where? :P
[17:59] <marco_> ah
[17:59] <marco_> and another thing
[18:00] <marco_> but i think u noticed that
[18:00] <marco_> kpackagekit doesn't ask for root pswd
[18:02] <maco> its supposed to ask for your pw, not root
[18:03] <maco> root has no pw in ubuntu
[18:03] <maco> but i think it uses policykit and doesnt actually try to ask until you try to do something
[18:03] <maco> just browsing package lists doesnt require it
[18:03] <marco_> in any case
[18:03] <marco_> it doesn't work :P
[18:04] <marco_> even if i run "sudo kpackagekit" from terminal
[18:04] <marco_> ah
[18:04] <marco_> i forgot to say
[18:04] <olmari> maco: thanks :)
[18:04] <marco_> i'm talking about 9.10 beta
[18:06] <maco> marco_: so am i
[18:07] <maco> marco_: and iirc, *no* policykit based apps work if you run them with sudo. unless that bug has been fixed. which i dont recall seeing email about
[18:07] <maco> it should prompt for your pw after you tell it to do something though
[18:07] <maco> unless youre still within the sudo timeout
[18:49] <trijntje> do ubuntu-doc people hang out here? (and if so, say something please)
[18:54] <james_w> trijntje: you're more likely to find someone in #ubuntu-doc
[18:55] <trijntje> james_w, I didn't know that channel, thanks
[19:20] <bcurtiswx> anyone else having SLOW update speeds?
[19:20] <Franoculator> happens everytime a release is announced.
[19:20] <Franoculator> mirrors are getting pounded.
[19:20] <bcurtiswx> betas though?
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> i know final release is horrible
[19:21] <micahg> bcurtiswx: try to find a faster local mirror: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[19:21] <Franoculator> yep.
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> beta aren't as bad
[19:21]  * micahg upgraded last night
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> is this is any sign.. lol
[19:21] <micahg> karmic rocks
[19:21] <Franoculator> agreed.
[19:21] <Franoculator> took some work getting my wireless driver working, but otherwise, well done (Netbook Remix here)
[19:21] <bcurtiswx> its soo buggy still tho
[19:21] <micahg> I don't know what they did but memory management is so much better
[19:22] <micahg> I've got FF, TB, and Eclispe running and only using 1.4GB of RAM
[19:23] <bcurtiswx> what is eclipse again?
[19:23] <Franoculator> java IDE
[19:23] <micahg> well, IDE for lots of languages (i use it for PHP)
[19:23] <Franoculator> it's written in java, I mean.
[19:23] <Franoculator> I've been using Netbeans.
[19:24] <Franoculator> much speedier than Eclipse, and the window decorations aren't as bulky.
[19:24] <micahg> yeah
[19:24] <Franoculator> (handy on a laptop)
[19:24] <micahg> I wanted to try netbeans 6.7 that's in karmic
[19:24] <Franoculator> I just get it from sun.
[19:26] <bcurtiswx> lol, ok
[19:27] <micahg> bcurtiswx: did a local mirror help?
[19:27] <bcurtiswx> nope, all slammed
[19:27] <bcurtiswx> lol
[19:28] <bcurtiswx> so what do you like most about Karmic.. ?
[19:28] <bcurtiswx> other than memory management
[19:28] <bcurtiswx> lol
[19:28] <Franoculator> http://mirrors.ccs.neu.edu/ubuntu <-- fast
[19:29] <Franoculator> new netbook UI.
[19:29] <micahg> try mirror.anl.gov <--- 10Gpbs net connection
[19:30] <bcurtiswx> micahg: lol, that servers sooo far behind right now
[19:31] <bcurtiswx> believe it or not the main server is faster than the US one
[19:34] <micahg> bcurtiswx: that's usually the case, both are in England in any case
[19:36] <dragon> Is the package "unattended-upgrades" documented somewhere? If not, it's a bug.
[20:43] <Guest21681> hey
[20:46] <Guest21681> trying to install with wubi (the one included in ubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso at / level) and it wants to donwload karmic-desktop-amd64.iso instead..
[20:47] <Guest21681> did someone for get to recompile wubi to use the beta naming intead of the daily build ?
[20:47] <micahg> Guest21681: try #ubuntu+1 for support, if they say it's a bug, then we can help you file it if need be
[20:47] <Guest21681> ok
[20:52] <computerquip> Is it Hug day yet?
[21:03] <bcurtiswx> computerquip: Sunday is Global Jam Day :D
[21:06] <computerquip> I love this place already. T.T
[21:07] <micahg> bcurtiswx: I thought it's Global Jam Weekend
[21:08] <bcurtiswx> micahg: advertisements i've seen are for sunday i think
[21:08] <bcurtiswx> could be mistaken
[21:36] <bdmurray> its the whole weekend, and today
[21:40] <computerquip> Today's Global Jam Weekend as well? I wonder why it's called Global Jam.
[21:41] <bdmurray> well I think it is Saturday somewhere
[21:42] <computerquip> So what makes these "sessions" different from any other day?
[21:43] <computerquip> I notice they happen quite often...
[21:44] <computerquip> brb, installing Ubuntu 9.10
[22:04] <BUGabundo> hey
[22:04] <BUGabundo> just touching and leaving. busy night :)
[22:36] <tormod> davidelizondo here?
[22:38] <tormod> "david" on launchpad is messing up some bugs, how to stop him?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> tormod: report on #launchpad
[22:40] <BUGabundo> and open a Question against Launchpad
[22:40] <BUGabundo> so admins can block him
[22:40] <BUGabundo> you can also contact Ubuntu Council, if he is a community user
[22:40] <BUGabundo> and report hime
[22:40] <BUGabundo> *him
[22:58] <hggdh> tormod, can you give us a bug # as an example?
[23:01] <tormod> hggdh, look up his lp page -> bugs, sort on most recently changed
[23:02] <tormod> I filed the launchpad Question
[23:02] <hggdh> tormod, ~david on LP gives 'David Allouche'
[23:03] <tormod> no, "david" is his full name
[23:03] <tormod> davidelizondo2006
[23:03] <hggdh> now that is better
[23:03] <tormod> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~davidelizondo2006
[23:04] <tormod> sorry I was so slow, I had closed all this pages
[23:05] <hggdh> tormod, np.
[23:06] <hggdh> tormod: one more option is to get to #launchpad and ask for a faster turnaround on blocking this person
[23:07] <tormod> hggdh, I already asked in #launchpad
[23:07] <hggdh> and they told you to open a question?
[23:07] <tormod> it's quiet in there :)
[23:08] <hggdh> well, at least it is restricted to 30 bugs so far...
[23:08] <hggdh> tormod, do you have the question url?
[23:09] <tormod> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84565
[23:10] <hggdh> I reforced your call for action on #lp ;-)
[23:10] <bdmurray> I'm on it
[23:12] <BUGabundo> hggdh: I was the one who told him to open a Question
[23:13] <hggdh> BUGabundo: ah, OK, not reading the backlog does complicate the understanding
[23:13] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:13] <BUGabundo> np
[23:14] <hggdh> well, anyway, off for dinner
[23:14] <hggdh> brb
[23:14] <tormod> after publishing a branch with a fix, should I set the bug to New, Unassigned?
[23:15] <hggdh> tormod: you should ask for a merge
[23:15] <tormod> and the bug status?
[23:15] <hggdh> hum. Confirmed, or triaged. Not sure, though
[23:15] <hggdh> but certainly unassigned
[23:15] <tormod> well I can not set triaged anyway :)
[23:16] <hggdh> heh
[23:16] <tormod> I assigned to myself when working on it
[23:16] <hggdh> that's correct procedure, since you were working on the patch/fix
[23:16] <tormod> but I have done my part, so unassigning makes sense
[23:17] <tormod> I wonder more about the "in progress"
[23:17] <hggdh> but now that your work is done, one of the -sponsors team will have to look at it.
[23:17] <hggdh> no, it is not in progress anymore. It would have been while you were working on it
[23:17] <dtchen> cd
[23:17] <dtchen> (err, sorry)
[23:18] <hggdh> a bug is "in progress" if someone is actively working on fixing it (and, very rarely, on triaging it)
[23:18] <tormod> so it's New,Unassigned again then, like as if it was never touched
[23:18] <bdmurray> well, if the fix needs to be sponsored it could still be considered in progress
[23:19] <tormod> well seems like this is not really clear :)
[23:19] <hggdh> but we would now be waiting on a -sponsors to look at it -- how could it be in progress?
[23:19] <tormod> the bug as a whole is in progress... but between hands
[23:19] <BUGabundo> dtchen: LOL
[23:20] <tormod> if I upload it to a PPA, I can put Fix Committed according to some rules I heard before
[23:20] <hggdh> although a technicality: if "in progress", then someone should be assigned to it
[23:20] <tormod> well never mind, I hope the merge request is what matters
[23:20] <hggdh> we really have to revisit these stati...
[23:21] <hggdh> tormod, uploading to a PPA may, or may not, be enough. If it is an "official" PPA (which is sort of an oximoron), then yes.
[23:22] <tormod> it's just that the bug now appears in listings as just another untouched, unseen bug
[23:22] <hggdh> yes, this is why I considered "Confirmed"
[23:22] <dtchen> (yes, sort of. for instance, the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA is an official one.)
[23:22] <tormod> but I can not confirm my own bugs ;) rule #1
[23:23] <tormod> is there a special team reviewing merges and debdiffs this weekend?
[23:23] <matti> ;]
[23:24] <hggdh> dtchen: yes, I understand that. The problem is we are not clear enough on the status rules
[23:25] <dtchen> hggdh: right, and there's much inconsistency
[23:26] <tormod> now the merge has Reviewer: Ubuntu branches and only james-w is subscribed
[23:27] <tormod> poor man he's gotta be busy
[23:28] <tormod> should I just change the reviewer myself, to cjwatson which probably is the man
[23:32] <tormod> there should be a bug status "in review" or "patch-available" or something