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Zachk18mdke, hello02:44
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Zachk18TEAM!04:38
Zachk18SpacePigeon, welcome04:50
Zachk18oh hey wolte3r04:51
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SpacePigeonhey Zachk1805:31
SpacePigeonYes I am wolter haha05:31
Zachk18SpacePigeon, so.....what's up?06:39
SpacePigeonZachk18, well, not much06:40
SpacePigeonI've been lousy on documentation06:40
SpacePigeonthe suspend stuff06:40
Zachk18ah06:40
Zachk18do you have a wiki?06:40
SpacePigeonI just got contagious with the want-a-combat-flight-simulator-for-linux virus06:40
Zachk18wiki about you i mean06:40
SpacePigeonyes, I think its WolterHellmund06:40
SpacePigeonand have being the last 2 days searching for a flight sim i could play06:41
SpacePigeonfound none, of course06:41
SpacePigeonah no, i had one in gnome.org06:41
Zachk18of course06:42
SpacePigeonI could make one pretty rapidly though06:42
Zachk18oh06:42
Zachk18i see06:43
SpacePigeonshould I make it under the help.ubuntu.com root, or under community?06:43
Zachk18https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zachk1806:43
Zachk18that's mine06:43
Zachk18take a look for links and layout06:43
SpacePigeonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/WolterHellmund06:44
SpacePigeonthere was mine haha06:44
SpacePigeonill format it to match your style06:45
SpacePigeonZachk18, where do I get the nice icons of IRC and launchpad?06:56
Zachk18you mean the ones i have?06:56
Zachk18hello?06:57
SpacePigeonyeah06:59
SpacePigeonsorry06:59
SpacePigeonI don't get visually notified unless you say my name sorry :)07:00
Zachk18ok....i'll just post each icon07:00
SpacePigeonbut, are they part of the syntax or you just link the image?07:00
SpacePigeoni could link the image07:00
Zachk18here....hold on a sec07:00
Zachk18there SpacePigeon take a look07:05
SpacePigeontake a look where?07:05
Zachk18at your wiki07:06
Zachk18look at the wiki!07:06
* Zachk18 tones deep. "The wiki is calling you"07:06
SpacePigeonoh ok ok07:07
SpacePigeonoh thanks!07:08
Zachk18i changed something again....07:09
Zachk18take a look07:09
SpacePigeonyeah, I wouldn't have bugged you, but I thought they were part of the wiki syntax07:09
SpacePigeonlike {i}07:09
SpacePigeonand such07:09
Zachk18and i'll be back later07:09
Zachk18yeah07:09
Zachk18no prob07:09
SpacePigeonthe numbering?07:09
Zachk18no07:09
Zachk18just look07:10
SpacePigeonoh07:17
SpacePigeonhey Zachk18 take a look now :)07:54
Zachk18SpacePigeon, sure07:55
SpacePigeonhi08:15
SpacePigeonwtf..08:15
SpacePigeonnothing08:15
Zachk18yep08:46
Zachk18nothing08:46
SpacePigeonwow, gl-117 is a niiice game09:13
Zachk18ah ok........09:14
SpacePigeonbetter get sleeping now09:14
SpacePigeonbye Zachk18 , you should try it if you like flight sims09:14
Zachk18ok09:15
Zachk18later09:15
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Zachk18mdke, hello18:05
trijntjeI think I found some mistakes in the karmic documentation. I tried to file a bugreport but I've gotten no reaction. Is a bugreport the correct way to do report a (possible) error in the docs?18:57
Zachk18trijntje, welcome19:06
trijntjeZachk18, thanks, its quiet here19:07
Zachk18yeah.....first time?19:08
trijntjeyep19:09
Zachk18well then welcome welcome19:09
trijntjeeverybody thinks, documentation freeze, i'm done ;)19:09
Zachk18hmm?19:10
missaugustinaHi trijntje, what is the bug # ?19:11
trijntjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/44022719:11
ubot4`Launchpad bug 440227 in ubuntu-docs "non existing menu entry in networking Karmic" [Undecided,New]19:11
missaugustinatrijntje, you found errors in the Dutch version of the Ubuntu Karmic Networking documentation?19:13
trijntjemissaugustina, no, in the original that I was going to translate19:14
missaugustinatrijntje ok gotcha. I am looking at it now.19:14
trijntjemissaugustina, there is also a description of how the NetworkManager icon looks, but they've changed that in Karmic19:16
trijntjemissaugustina, but i cannot seem to find the 'original' docs, just the translation templates19:21
missaugustinatrijntje what section of the Internet docs?19:34
trijntjemissaugustina, does this help? internet/C/nm.xml:22(para)  (new to this, sorry)19:35
missaugustinatrijntje alright checking that one19:36
missaugustinatrijntje: I am still looking through the source19:39
dragonHello. Is the package "unattended-upgrades" documented somewhere?19:39
missaugustinatrijntje: you are saying the description of the icon is inconsistent with what the icon looks like in Karmic, correct?19:40
missaugustinafor Network Manager?19:40
trijntjemissaugustina, yes19:40
missaugustinaOK, the bug you filed says the menu option is non-existent19:40
missaugustinais that also true?19:40
trijntjeyes, in both jaunty and karmic19:41
missaugustinaok, the documentation seems to indicate it is not in that menu.19:41
missaugustinaThe docs seem to indicate it is in the upper right hand portion of the screen in the notification area, and to access and configure it, you have to right or left click on that portion of the screen.19:42
missaugustinatrijntje so the icon for that is different in Karmic, so it won't match that description for both the wireless and LAN connections?19:43
missaugustinaor just the LAN or just the wireless?19:43
trijntjeI can only check for LAN, I run karmic in vbox so i have no wireless19:43
trijntjeLAN is different19:43
missaugustinaOK, this is what the documentation describes: "It looks like two over-lapping computer screens"19:44
trijntjecorrect19:44
missaugustinaOK, just clarifying.19:44
trijntjeno problem19:45
missaugustinaI don't see where in the Network Manager documentation it points to Administration > Network19:45
missaugustinaIs there a line number?19:45
missaugustinaOr is that in a different document?19:45
trijntjeAdministration > Network is here:  Located in internet/C/modem.xml:50(para)19:47
trijntjeor the translation template: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/internet/nl/262/+translate19:47
missaugustinatrijntje: this sounds like two separate bugs19:47
missaugustinabug 1: Network Manager LAN icon description in internet/nm.xml line 22 doesn't match Karmic19:48
ubot4`missaugustina: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out19:48
trijntjeIt are two different bugs, i'm sorry i didn't make that clear19:49
missaugustinabug 2: Administration > Network doesn't exist, Menu item points to it in internet/C/modem.xml:5019:50
missaugustinaDid you file two bugs or just one?19:51
trijntjejust one, i wasnt sure i was doing it the right way19:52
missaugustinaIt's ok, I'm reviewing the documentation to see what the confusion it19:52
missaugustinais19:52
missaugustinaThe networking menu comes from an entity defined in the lib directory19:52
missaugustina&networking19:52
missaugustinaNetworkManager doesn't currently support modem connections, so you will need to <ulink url="apt:gnome-network-admin">install the gnome-network-admin package</ulink>.19:53
missaugustinaIt doesn't look like a bug. User needs to install the gnome-network-admin package, and then the menu item will be available.19:54
missaugustinaMaybe the documenatation could be more clear in that regard.19:54
missaugustinatrijntje: menus are defined in libs/gnome-menus-c.ent19:55
trijntjemissaugustina, I see, we get the translation string one at the time, so i dont have the full text in front of me. Thats why I missed that19:55
missaugustinatrijntje: ah ok. If you are unsure if something is pointing to the right place, anything with an "&" in front of it followed by ";" is an entity under libs19:56
missaugustinait will either be in the gnome-menus-c.ent or global.ent19:56
missaugustinatrijntje: if something ever points to the wrong thing, it can always be corrected in the .ent file :)19:57
missaugustinatrijntje: I will update the bug and close it out. Thanks for your help!!19:57
trijntjemissaugustina, I'm very new to all this, so I'm not realy understanding everything ;)19:58
trijntjemissaugustina, so thats for the missing menu entry bug, should i file a new one about the NetworkManager Icon?19:58
missaugustinatrijntje: Yes if they don't match then definitely file a bug.19:59
missaugustinatrijntje: what is the new icon? I use wireless so all I see is bars19:59
trijntjemissaugustina, it looks like two plugs plugged into eachother20:00
missaugustinatrijntje: great, mention that in the bug description. That's a really easy fix.20:01
trijntjemissaugustina, http://imagebin.org/6618920:04
trijntjeit might change later on, on alfa it looked lik the physical ethernet port..20:05
trijntjeand than like a cable plugged into the ethernet port, and now this20:05
missaugustinatrijntje: excellent. Sure post the bug and I'll assign it to myself. It probably won't make the Karmic release but I can fix it to describe whatever they end up using for the default theme.20:06
trijntjemissaugustina, will do, ill put in it changed 3 times in 5 day's20:07
trijntjemissaugustina, this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/44082620:18
ubot4`Launchpad bug 440826 in ubuntu-docs "Network Manager LAN icon description doesnt match Karmic" [Undecided,New]20:18
missaugustinatrijntje: excellent, I will assign it to myself and update the documents after the Karmic release when we finally see what icon they decide on :) haha20:19
trijntjemissaugustina, ok, thanks for your help20:21
missaugustinatrijntje no problem, thanks for translating and taking the time to file these bugs!!20:22
trijntjemissaugustina, ubuntu must be perfect for world-domination ;)20:24
missaugustinaLOL20:25
sianishi all20:30
sianismdke: do you plan any other release after 9.10.8 ?20:30
Rocket2DMnI think we should try to get a lot of the older bugs closed for 10.04 since it will be a LTS release20:32
Rocket2DMnthere are a fair number of wishlist and low priority bugs which would be nice to get fixed20:32
Rocket2DMnmdke, do we do anything with crash reports?20:48
Zachk18shaunm, welcome22:48
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