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Yanhello! anyone interested to help a newcomer?03:09
dtchenYan: what's the context?03:27
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ScottKApparently none.05:44
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captivusGood evening, MOTUs05:59
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fabrice_sp_Hi captivus06:01
captivusI wonder if anyone can provide some guidance on a packaging quest I'm on06:02
fabrice_sp_captivus, did you read the packaging guides?06:03
fabrice_sp_!packaging06:03
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports06:03
captivusfabrice_sp_: Yessir.  My first question, however, is:  How do I know that my efforts in packaging a particular piece of software will be acceptable to the MOTU?06:04
ScottKcaptivus: You don't.06:05
captivus. . .06:05
ScottKHowever ...06:05
ScottKIf the package is policy compliant, lintian clean, and builds successfully, you'll be way better than most stuff we see.06:05
ScottKAlso getting into Debian would guarantee it would get into Ubuntu.06:06
captivusScottK: It's interesting that you mention packaging for Debian, because Nate Handler suggested exactly that course of action for this particulare piece of software ...06:06
captivusHow do I go about that?  I imagine that the process is somewhat different ...06:06
ScottKWhat's the package?06:07
captivusLaunchy06:07
ScottKWhat's it written in?06:07
ScottKcaptivus: ^^06:08
captivusC++06:09
captivus... then Qt, of late06:09
captivusScottK: ^^06:12
ScottKThen you might join #debian-qt-kde and at a time when Europe is likely to be awake ask them if someone would be interested in spsonsoring.06:13
ScottKcaptivus: Also look at mentors.debian.net06:13
captivusScottK: Thank you!06:14
ScottKNo problem.06:14
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dholbachgood morning06:49
mruizdholbach, hi07:02
dholbachhola mruiz07:02
mruizGrüß dich!07:03
dholbachhehe :)07:03
mruizhahahaha :)07:04
* mruiz learning new German words07:04
dholbachfabrice_sp_: can you unsubscribe the sponsors team when you ACK a sync?07:04
dholbach(to avoid people looking over them a second time ;-))07:04
mruizdholbach, I know you use evolution. Is there any way to put it into the tray (not alltray) ?07:05
dholbachno idea07:06
dholbachsorry07:06
mruiznp07:06
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fabrice_sp__dholbach, good morning07:10
fabrice_sp__sure: I can now :-)07:10
fabrice_sp__only syn request or in general, all sponsored bug ?07:11
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dholbachfabrice_sp_: if a bug gets closed by an upload, you don't need to additionally unsubscribe the sponsors07:12
dholbachfabrice_sp: just get stuff off the list once it's done :)07:13
fabrice_spdholbach, yeah: trying to get the list 'short' (if possible)07:14
dholbachI usually unsubscribe the sponsors from acked syncs, stuff where it's clear that it can't be done, or when I asked questions and didn't get a reply in 2 weeks, or if stuff needs to get fixed and hasn't been fixed for 2 weeks07:15
dholbachif you see what I mean07:15
fabrice_spok. Sounds a good practice. I'll apply that :-)07:16
fabrice_sp(and will update the wiki page, to indicate that)07:17
fabrice_spthanks ;-)07:17
fabrice_sphave to go. Bye07:20
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frandieguezHi to all, I'm a member of Ubuntu Galician Translators and I'm testing Ubuntu Karmic beta on galician language (gl_ES) and after 2 weeks solving all the translation errors on alfa6 we can see that the ubiquity-slideshow isn't showed translated yet. What is the procedement for make Ubuntu integrate the translations made on launchpad on the final product release?09:05
dpmfrandieguez, you don't have to do anything to make those translations appear in Ubuntu, the ubuntu-installer team takes care of that. It might be that when they did the last export of translations the Galician ones weren't ready yet, but they will most probably make it in the next translation export09:08
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dpmfrandieguez, to be more certain, you can also ask on the #ubuntu-installer channel09:08
frandieguezdpm, thanks for the quickly response09:09
frandieguezI'll ask there in the future09:09
dpmnp :-)09:09
dpmyou can also ask on #ubuntu-translators for anything related to translations09:09
dpmfrandieguez, having a look at the changelog -> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+changelog it seems that translations were last imported from Launchpad on the 17th of September09:11
dpmSo if the Galician translations were done after that date, that's probably why they weren't included09:11
dpmbut they will make it to the package next time they are exported09:11
frandieguezYes, I have translated the previous week so It doesn't imported yet09:12
dpmah, ok09:12
frandieguezI hope the ubuntu-installer team will import the translations on the next release09:12
dpmfrandieguez, I'm sure they will before the final release at least. They might be able to tell you more at #ubuntu-installer09:13
frandieguezdpm, thanks09:14
dpmyou're welcome09:15
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directhexby the power of greyskull....11:30
* directhex summons someone from ~motu-release11:30
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directhexstill wondering about whether a banshee ffe is worth requesting. we didn't upload a beta version because we wanted upstream to give us a "stable" release in time for karmic, but tbh, the current beta is better than the current stable in terms of, um, stability11:42
sistpoty|workdirecthex: are the extensions a separate project or do these also come from banshee?11:45
Laneydoesn't matter so much if it's not destined to be the defeault either imo11:45
directhexLaney, preciselyh11:45
sistpoty|workwell, I think more stable is always better, but I'm just wondering if this might break rdepends11:46
directhexsistpoty|work, there are 2 extensions afaik as distinct source packages... i think they're careful in their versioning so may well not need a rebuild. hyperair, can you confirm?11:46
directhexhyperair, i..e do mirage & lyrics from the repo work on 1.5?11:46
hyperairdirecthex: afaik they do.11:47
sistpoty|workthere's also remuco-banshee...11:48
hyperairdirecthex: i'm running the daily version and the archive mirage and lyrics work11:48
hyperairdon't worry about remuco-banshee11:48
directhexlet ME worry about blank?11:48
hyperairthat one has no abi constraint. it just talks to banshee via dbus11:48
hyperairblank?11:48
sistpoty|workhyperair: ah, thanks... just wondered how that interacts with banshee :)11:48
directhexhyperair, futurama misquote ;)11:49
hyperair._.11:49
hyperairall in all i'd actually prefer to stuff 1.5 into the archive. it fixes loads of bugs11:49
hyperairi'm not sure which exactly, though.11:50
sistpoty|workI think if both of you think that 1.5 makes sense, I won't object ;)11:50
hyperairokay. so i'll file a sync request then?11:50
sistpoty|workhyperair: well, you'll need another +1 from motu-release apart from mine though11:51
hyperairyes, i know11:51
directhexhyperair, shall we do a fresh sid upload first? also, i expect a formal ffe request is needed? sistpoty|work?11:51
directhexhyperair, did 151 happen?11:51
hyperairdirecthex: not that i know of11:51
* directhex goes to punch upstream11:51
sistpoty|workdirecthex: yes, ffe would be good... for me it doesn't need to be too formal11:52
sistpoty|workopinion of other motu-release members might vary though11:52
sistpoty|workScottK: ^^ also got some wise words you'd like to add?11:53
ScottKIf it's better, I'd say go for it.13:55
ScottKsistpoty|work: ^^13:55
sistpoty|work*nod*13:55
wrapsteri have a tarball.. which is not a debian pkg.. but i want to convert it into one.14:35
wrapsterso i downloaded it and dh_make <opts> now here is my question... have a look at this..http://pastie.org/639372 the first segment contains the files that were present in that tarball and after dh_make there was a debian dir that was created... the second segment has contents in the debian dir.. I would like to know.. if i can delete all those makefies and everything that is present under the dir which was created after the extraction of the tarball14:38
wrapsterguys can anyone look into this issue?14:54
mok0wrapster: you can delete most of those files15:06
wrapstermok0: in which segment.. I actually deleted all the *.{ex, Ex} files15:07
wrapsterin the debian dir..15:07
mok0wrapster: err, segment?15:07
wrapsterhow about in the first segment?15:07
wrapsteri deleted most in the 2nd segment15:07
wrapsterhow about the 1st?15:07
mok0wrapster: you mean before the ...... line?15:07
wrapsteryeah15:07
mok0wrapster: that is part of upstream's distribution15:08
mok0wrapster: you should only change stuff in debian/15:08
wrapsteryou mean all those Makefiles?15:08
wrapsterok15:08
mok0wrapster: just leave them15:08
mok0wrapster: the minimum set of files in debian/ is: control, changelog, copyright, compat and rules15:09
sistpoty|workcompat is not strictly needed actually (but who does w.o. debhelper nowadays though)15:11
mok0sistpoty|work: I've not seen one package without it15:11
mok0sistpoty|work: I'd like to :-)15:11
wrapstercoz when i tried doing that and ran dpkg-buildpkg this is what i got http://pastie.org/63901715:12
mok0wrapster: you need to install some stuff on your machine15:13
wrapstermok0: yeah thats what I did.. but the issue is im still a beginner at this. and the pkg im trying to build is not available only as a tarball.. I need help15:13
wrapstermok0: it would be helpful if you could tell me how you deduced that i need to install some stuff?15:14
mok0wrapster: I may be wrong15:14
wrapsteroh15:14
sistpoty|workmok0: I've seen (and touched) one once... but it was converted after I filed a bug in BTS *g*15:14
mok0wrapster: but the compile fails because it can't find an include file called usba.h15:14
wrapsteryeah...15:14
wrapsterread that..15:14
mok0wrapster: is that a file in the software package you are working with?15:15
sistpoty|workmok0: oh, there's actually one that does w.o. debhelper: "leave"15:16
c_kornmok0: the binutils package does not have a debian/compat file I think15:17
wrapsterwell its not there for sure but have a look at it.. it says sys/usb.... which means its realtive path right15:17
wrapsterso relative to the build dir i cant find any such file!!!15:17
mok0sistpoty|work: oh, I must take a look at that one. Does it manually build the .deb file using ar c ? :-P15:17
sistpoty|workmok0: nope:     dpkg --build $tmp ..15:18
wrapsterare you guys referring to me?15:18
mok0sistpoty|work: oh, cutting corners, eh :-P15:18
mok0wrapster: no15:18
sistpoty|workhehe15:18
wrapsterok.. im such a newbie to this that everything you talk is almost like its for me...15:18
mok0wrapster: but the compile would find it if it's relative to /usr/include15:19
wrapsteranyway can you tell me what needs to be done.. I know that i need to include that file.. I can find it15:19
wrapsterfrom the ON-source website..15:19
wrapsterthat not an issue...15:19
wrapsterwill do something and try it.. could you shed some light on how i can proceed?15:20
mok0wrapster: actually, there is no point packaging that software if the dependency is not packaged15:20
mok0wrapster: that is, unless usba.h can be install via another package15:20
mok0wrapster: AFAICS it's not in any Ubuntu package15:21
mok0wrapster: but in Google it shows up amongst a lot of Solaris stuff15:22
joaopintomok0, he is packaging for nexenta15:25
mok0joaopinto: oh15:25
joaopintowrapster, already done with your binutils hack ?15:26
mok0joaopinto: after seeing Phoronix head-to-head comparison, I wouldn't bother with Solaris... Ubuntu is _much_ faster on the same hardware15:28
joaopintomok0, well, there are some good reasons, like zfs15:29
mok0joaopinto: *shrug*15:30
joaopintobut weell, I am never tried opensolaris :)15:30
joaopintoI had to admnister an old solaris box, mostly reboot it :P15:30
mok0joaopinto: I guess if you're in a Solaris shop it makes sense15:30
mok0In the old days, whenever we got an IRIX box, the first thing I did was to install all the GNU software on it15:31
mok0I guess nexenta is pretty much the same thing for Solaris15:32
wrapsterjoaopinto: yeah.. and its working as welll :)15:41
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wrapsterok i found out that usba.h is a interface card dependant stuff... but its not on on-source website...15:46
mok0wrapster: is it in a package?15:46
wrapstercan anyone help me to find it? or better yet could you tell me if i run into such issues where i can look for help15:46
wrapsterno15:46
mok0wrapster: you might want to go to nexenta's IRC channels for help15:46
wrapsterok15:48
mok0wrapster: #nextenta it seems15:48
mok0wrapster: #nexenta15:48
mok0on this server15:48
wrapstermok0: yeah i know.. thanks15:49
mok0wrapster: we can help you with general packaging questions here15:50
wrapstermok0: ok thanks.. i will definitely need that as well.. so will ping you guys when im stuck.. thanks a lot15:50
wrapsterbtw its here http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/kerberos/mit_163_resync/usr/src/uts/common/sys/usb/usba.h15:50
mok0wrapster: Ah, yes15:51
mok0wrapster: I actually saw that pop up in Google15:51
wrapsterthats exactly how i found it as well :D15:52
mok0wrapster: heh15:52
wrapsterso including that in /usr/include should do the trick?15:52
mok0wrapster:  No you can't do it like that15:52
wrapsterthen15:53
mok0wrapster: if that file is not present in another package, yours will be useless15:53
wrapsterok in that case.. its present in SUNWusbu15:53
mok0wrapster: because no one can build the package without first locating that file on Google15:54
mok0wrapster: the you need to put a "Build-Depends: SUNWusbu" in debian/control15:54
joaopintopackage name with uppercase :) ?15:55
mok0joaopinto: I dunno what nexenta are doing15:56
mok0joaopinto: RedHat HaS oNe MiX oF uPpErCaSe AnD lOwErCaSe LeTtErS15:56
mok0joaopinto: one of the reasons that redhat sux :-)15:57
joaopinto:D15:59
wrapsteryeah its a sun pkg16:00
joaopintooh god :)16:01
wrapsterok not anymore coz i have a nexetna pkg as well16:01
wrapsterno thats wrong i guess... have a look at this.. http://src.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=usba.h&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=&project=%2Fonnv.. btw how do i find out the pkg in which this file is located?16:11
siretart`dpkg -S /path/to/file16:12
wrapsterthat worked.. now have this!!! usbgem.c:5555: error: '_memcpy' aliased to external symbol 'memcpy'16:17
wrapsterthis is fun16:17
wrapster:)16:17
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jbernard_ScottK: around?16:42
ScottKjbernard_: Yes, but busy with other things, what's up?16:43
jbernard_ScottK: mok0 suggested that bug #436006 be backported,16:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436006 in ubuntu-dev-tools "pull-lp-source broken with new LP API" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43600616:43
jbernard_i was going to make a debdiff that just cherry-picks that fix16:44
ScottKThen you'll need a motu-sru person for that16:44
jbernard_does this sound like the right approach?16:44
ScottKIt's that or backport all of u-d-t-16:46
jbernard_that's a no-go, launchpadlib is on quite a different version, as i recall16:47
jbernard_i think the cherry-pick would be low risk16:47
Lazyi'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but is there documentation what should i do to debug my audio problems?16:48
Lazybecause my audio stopped working after upgrading to karmic16:48
joaopintoLazy, #ubuntu+116:52
Lazyk, thanks anyway16:54
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geserjbernard_: from a look at this bug, it's mislabeled, as not the LP API changed but the HTML page it screen-scrapes changed with LP 3.0 (but the fix should be backported/SRUed instead of the whole package)17:22
jdongugh prevu is equally affected by the LP change.17:22
jdongI still have that on my TODO list to fix before the release.17:23
* jdong should in fact switch over to having u-d-t's screenscaper handle it.17:23
geserif it screen-scrapes than you should check if still works with the new layout of LP 3.0 and either fix it or use the LP API where possible17:24
jdongyeah, the next major release I do plan on switching to the LP API for that purpose17:25
jdongfor now fixing the regex is good for karmic.17:25
wrapsterwhat is the difference between /usr/bin/ld and /usr/ccs/bin/ld17:38
jdongCCS C compiler?17:39
jdongthat's a solaris-y question :)17:39
geserto which package belongs the later file?17:40
jdongI thought they deprecated the CCS stuff in solaris17:40
jdongat least the newest versions perhaps17:40
jdongoh well I'll stop pretending that I understand the OS ;-)17:40
joaopintowrapster, keeping asking about opensolaris specific binaries/files here is not really helpful17:42
geseris archive.ubuntu.com for others slow too?17:42
wrapsterwell this is the point.. im in a fix here coz the OS im using has both opensolaris and ubuntu stuff..17:42
wrapsterso .......17:43
wrapster:(17:43
jdonggeser: yeah tcp connect()'s are slow17:43
jpdsgeser: Yes, beta congesting everything.17:43
jpdsEveryone should *really* use a local mirror.17:43
geserI assumed it :) but want to know for sure that's it not my internet connection17:43
joaopintowrapster, we can help you about pacaking,  not about non packaging questions related to opensolaris stuff17:44
wrapsteroh yeah sorry.. will try #ubuntu17:44
wrapstersorry again.17:44
jdongI do, but also list archive.ubuntu.com at lower priority...17:44
jdongjust to make sure I'm tracking the later packages17:44
joaopintowrapster, uh, how is an opensolaris related to ubuntu ?17:44
wrapsterits not and that where nexenta comes into pic17:45
jdongwell Solaris-induced Ubuntu package troubles are still not on topic here :)17:45
jdongwe'd love to hear about Ubuntu package issues pertaining to our packaging, here.17:45
joaopintois there an ubuntu package providing /usr/ccs/bin/ld ?17:45
joaopintowrapster, erm, wasn't your binutils package providing the links on css to make it opensolaris compatible ?17:47
joaopintothere is no /usr/ccs/bin on ubuntu17:48
wrapsterno...it was a different path..17:48
wrapsterand secondly the issue im facing is differnt... if you dont mind then i'll do a pastie17:48
wrapster:)17:48
joaopintosure, but like I said, if you are asking about differences to opensolaris, is hard to check17:49
* sistpoty|work heads home... cya17:51
jbernard_geser: yes, you are correct18:01
jbernard_only the version in karmic works with the 3.0 layout18:03
hyperairwhat was that program that does dfsg-compliance checking?18:13
ScottKYou mean vrms?18:14
ScottKIt's not actually dfsg, it's gnu18:14
RainCTScottK: Are you sure? The manpage says «Stallman and the Debian project  have  diverged  since this program was originally written.  In such cases, this program follows the definition of freedom embodied  in the Debian Free Software Guidelines.»18:17
ScottKRainCT: I.  I'm not sure, I was making assumptions.18:17
LaneyI think it just uses archive components18:17
Laney(so dfsg)18:18
christoph_debianLaney: jep correct18:18
hyperairScottK, RainCT: no i wasn't talking about that. i'm quite sure there  was something to search within source tarballs for dfsg-offending stuff.18:20
ScottKWhich, BTW, means on Ubuntu it's kind of between the two as we allow dfsg invariant.18:20
ScottKOh18:20
RainCThyperair: I can only think of suspicious-source then, but that's not related to DSFG (just checks for files which aren't in the preferred edition format)18:21
hyperairah.18:22
hyperairi think that's what i was looking for18:22
fabrice_sp_Is the motu meeting confirmed at 19h UTC? (in 1h30?)18:32
Laneyis there an agenda?18:32
* fabrice_sp_ doesn't know. Just saw 2 emails...18:33
zookoHow can I close this ticket as Fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/28943118:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 289431 in debian "Please sync python-pycryptopp from debian unstable" [Unknown,Fix released]18:56
fabrice_sp_zooko, this is already closed (Fix released)18:58
james_wzooko: done19:12
james_wzooko: for future reference, click the yellow "pencil" icon next to the status you want to change and select from the pop-up list19:12
james_wif you don't have javascript then I'm not sure how this page works now19:12
james_wthere will be combo boxes and a form submit to operate instead19:13
fabrice_sp_james_w, what was missing? the bug appeared as Fix Released19:18
james_wfabrice_sp_: there's more than one task19:18
fabrice_sp_ohhhhh. ok19:18
james_wsee the bot reported it as a bug in "debian"19:19
fabrice_sp_james_w, you're right. I didn't paid attention to that19:19
RainCTIf anyone knows some easy bugs suitable for fixing at the Global Jam, I could take some bug numbers19:19
fabrice_sp_RainCT: why don't you work on FTBFS of the test rebuild? Some are easy to fix (missing dependencies, for example)19:21
Laney-backports uploads don't autoclose bugs?19:21
james_wRainCT: bug 440635 might be easy depending on what the solution is :-)19:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 440635 in gnome-themes-ubuntu "required icon themes missing for two included GNOME themes" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44063519:22
james_woh, Andrew claimed it19:22
RainCTI'm looking at the i386/amd64 build failures, but haven't found any obvious one yet (well, maybe I'm just not looking right :P, /me goes to check a few more)19:24
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geserRainCT: for a missing build-dependency a good candidate might be http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32002455/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.libgtkhtml2_2.11.1-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:27
geser(I've just looked at the build log and not how hard it turns out to be in the end)19:28
geserRainCT: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32660548/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.wikipediafs_0.3-5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz seems to be missing --install-layout=deb19:33
RainCTgeser: Great, thanks. (wikipediafs? wow, there is weird stuff! :P)19:35
geserRainCT: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32126698/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.necpp_1.3.0%2Bcvs20090101-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz (error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*'19:38
fabrice_spRainCT, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31889048/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.ivtools_1.1.3-5.4ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz it's a build dependency on xutils-dev instead of xutils19:39
geserthere is a const missing before a pointer variable)19:39
fabrice_spthere are a lot of this one :-/19:39
geserand also many conflicting declarations for getline too19:40
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fabrice_spyeah19:40
RainCTgeser: what's the problem with the getline ones? the program defining it's own function with that name?19:43
sebnerhuhu sistpoty :D19:45
sistpotyhi sebner19:45
RainCTok I think I got enough, thanks geser, fabrice_sp, james_w!19:46
zookoThanks, james_w.  Next question: how do I push MOTU's to consider this ticket: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pycryptopp/+bug/43969119:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439691 in pycryptopp "please sync pycryptopp-0.5.17 from Debian" [Undecided,New]19:47
james_wsponsorship!19:47
james_wzooko: are you running Ubuntu?19:47
james_whttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess19:48
zookoOh, that's a pencil.  I never thought I could use it to change things because I thought it was a footprint.19:53
zookojames_w: I am runnng ubuntu.19:54
james_wzooko: if you install the ubuntu-dev-tools package there is a "requestsync" script that can file bugs for syncing from Debian and do all the necessary bits19:54
zookojames_W: thanks!19:55
james_wyou might be interested in http://identi.ca/notice/11175390 if the LP icons confuse you19:55
sistpotyslangasek, ScottK, vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284055/20:24
sistpotyanything missing, anyone got the url for the gcc-4.4 rebuild bugs in unstable? anything else? *g*20:24
sistpoty(maybe I should put in there: remember that you must fix 3 ftbfs to get one universe FFe accepted *g*)20:27
pochu(-:20:27
randomactionsistpoty: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=tbm%40cyrius.com20:37
sistpotyrandomaction: thanks... is there also a way to filter for usertags? (gcc-4.4 is the one I'm looking for)20:38
geserIIRC there is one20:38
sistpotythat's what I thought, but I didn't find it immediately and gave up looking for it then :/20:39
christoph_debiansistpoty: do you know the user?20:40
ari-tczewhello20:41
sistpotychristoph_debian:  User: debian-gcc@lists.debian.org (I'm looking for the gcc-4.4 bugs)20:41
christoph_debianhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org;tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.4 or so20:42
fabrice_sp_hello ari-tczew20:43
fabrice_sp_did you see my comment in your sync request?20:43
sistpotychristoph_debian: excellent, thanks!20:43
christoph_debian:)20:44
ari-tczewyes - I need complete FFe requests in your mention, right?20:44
fabrice_sp_right20:44
ari-tczewit's my first enter on irc ;-O20:44
fabrice_sp_in that case, it should be quite easy, as this ib has only one rdepends: hugin :-)20:44
fabrice_sp_s/ib/lib/20:44
diwicwhile we're at the FTBFS bugs, I decided to look at xfishtank. It seems like it is corrected upstream and there is a sync request (LP: #439216).20:44
fabrice_sp_welcome then :-)20:45
fabrice_sp_bug #43921620:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 439216 in xfishtank "Sync xfishtank 2.2-25.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43921620:45
sistpotyslangasek, ScottK, vorian: (updated url to gcc-4.4 bugs in unstable, no other changes): http://paste.ubuntu.com/284066/20:45
diwicfabrice_sp_: should it really be wishlist?20:45
fabrice_sp_diwic, it's whishlist by default20:46
sistpotydiwic: from changelog, this doesn't look like it'd fix the ftbfs?20:46
sistpotydiwic: did you do a test-build already?20:46
fabrice_sp_this sync request has been generated by a MOTU, and  wating for an achive admin20:46
diwicsistpoty: debian #485546 is the FTBFS bug20:47
ubottuDebian bug 485546 in xfishtank "xfishtank: FTBFS: Using imake without Build-Depends on xutils-dev" [Important,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/48554620:47
sistpotydiwic: oh, sorry. didn't read that build-dependencies got changed, sorry20:47
sistpotydiwic: as I just saw, quadrispro filed it, so it'll get processed20:48
sistpoty(and doesn't need sponsoring)20:48
ScottKsistpoty: Looks good to me.20:58
slangaseksistpoty: wrong link for the test rebuild, I think?20:58
slangasekwgrant had said it was moved to http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html20:58
slangasekI guess both links work, so I'm not sure which is authoritative20:58
sistpotyheh, I used the one from my firefox history *g*20:59
sistpotyslangasek: ok, updated: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284073/21:00
sebnersistpoty: already an idea for a new date for the MOTU meeting?21:00
sistpotysebner: nah, I'll just get it wrong a 2nd time and hopes that someone else takes initiative now :P21:01
sebnersistpoty: haha, at least we need agenda items first. Without any, nobody will have motivation to do something21:02
sistpotysebner: my agenda would be fix ftbfs, fix ftbfs, fix ftbfs :P21:03
sistpotychristoph_debian: you're a member of debian games team and know how to use git, right? I'd have a one-line change for invaders21:04
sebnersistpoty: nothing motivation then :P21:04
sistpotychristoph_debian: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32726620/invaders_1.0.0-8_1.0.0-8ubuntu1.diff.gz (adding -fno-stack-protector to CFLAGS)21:04
sistpotychristoph_debian: I wanted to commit this myself, but would need to learn git for it first :/21:04
christoph_debiansistpoty: having a look21:04
sistpotythanks!21:05
christoph_debianstack-protector was some hardening option?21:06
slangaseksistpoty: s/superseeded/superseded/; s/recieve/receive/;21:06
sistpotychristoph_debian: yes21:06
slangaseksistpoty: otherwise looks good, feel free to send it and ping me for mailing list queue approval21:06
sistpotychristoph_debian: afaik there are no plans for debian to make it the default though (in Ubuntu it is), but I might be wrong on the former21:07
sistpotyslangasek: ok, thanks!21:07
keessistpoty, christoph_debian: I'd love to get it as a default in Debian.21:07
keeshaven't had time to push it though21:07
sistpotykees: ah, k, good to know :)21:07
christoph_debianit was discussed at the debian-security bof at debconf21:07
keeschristoph_debian: yeah.  what happened from that?21:08
christoph_debiannot muhc I know21:09
christoph_debiansistpoty: why do you think invaders is in git?21:09
keessistpoty: with regard to the use of -fno-stack-protector... isn't there a better way to fix that?21:09
sistpotychristoph_debian: not too sure now as you say it... :/21:10
sistpotykees: I doubt... that package is a game for grub (not for the installed system)21:10
christoph_debianahh that was invaders21:11
keessistpoty: oh!21:12
keessistpoty: hah.  interesting.  then I assume it's not built with -nostdlib ?21:12
sistpotykees: it is compiled with -freestanding... the only other way would be to have -freestanding work with stack-protector by providing _stk_chk_fail in libgcc21:12
keesnormally that turns off the stack protector21:12
sistpotykees: oh, I'm wrong, it's -nostdlib21:13
keessistpoty: hrm, that really shouldn't ftbfs.  /me looks21:13
sistpotymeh, wrong again, that's a ldflag...21:13
keeshah, ok21:13
sistpotykees: you can see the cflags here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32726620/invaders_1.0.0-8_1.0.0-8ubuntu1.diff.gz21:13
sistpoty(diff is better than mixing diff with my memory from two days ago)21:14
keesheh.  I wonder if moving -nostdlib to CFLAGS would fix this... /me gives it a shot21:14
sistpotykees: thanks!21:15
randomactionI'm fixing FTBFS on an Ubuntu-only package (not in Debian). Should I lintian-clean it while I'm at it? (i.e. bump standards-version, add misc-depends..)21:15
sistpotyrandomaction: that depends... bumping standards-version means that you'll also need to make sure that the new standards-version apply21:16
sistpotyrandomaction: given that we're late in the cycle, I'd personally omit these cosmetics to get on with the next ftbs sooner ;)21:17
randomactionlintian is usually good at it.. ok, i'll drop it.21:17
christoph_debiankees: moving -nostdlib works21:22
macodoes debian/menu generate a .desktop?21:24
macoor is that only for the debian-menu-specific stuff?21:25
chrisccoulsonmaco - that's only for the debian menu stuff21:27
macoboo21:28
CardinalFangHi all.  The 'picard' package has been broken for a while.  There's a bug with half a dozen duplicates.  The fix is easy.21:28
CardinalFangWould someone mind sponsoring my debdiff?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/picard/+bug/42203221:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 422032 in picard "picard crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [High,In progress]21:28
chrisccoulsonCardinalFang - i haven't got much time to look at it yet. you subscribed u-u-s?21:29
CardinalFangchrisccoulson, No I haven't.  "ubuntu universe subscribers?"21:30
chrisccoulsonubuntu-universe-sponsors21:30
CardinalFangDone now.21:31
chrisccoulsonthanks21:31
chrisccoulsoni will take a look after dinner if noone else has done already21:31
chrisccoulsonthanks for working on it21:31
sistpotyslangasek: ping (as in mail is in moderation queue)21:34
slangaseksistpoty: accepted, thanks21:36
sistpotythanks!21:36
sistpotyCardinalFang: from a glimpse, debdiff looks good. I'll give it a shot21:39
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* chrisccoulson really must do some sponsoring tonight21:42
sistpotycrack, german mirror seems to be updating (mismatching md5sum in sources) and a.u.c is so slow atm.21:43
ari-tczewcan I register my nick?21:44
sistpotyari-tczew: if you're an ubuntu member, then yes. However I don't know how :(21:44
sebnersistpoty: slow = not working here :\21:44
sistpotyari-tczew: or do you mean register as in register with nickserv21:45
sistpotysebner: be patient :P it does trickle in from time to time *g*21:46
ari-tczewI'm using irc first now, I entered here without asking a password, so I want to own "ari-tczew" only for me (block by passwd)21:46
sistpotyari-tczew: ah, oke, then please take a look at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration21:48
sebnersistpoty: heh, I'll try to get new infos about nexuiz today or tomorrow btw :\21:49
sistpotysebner: I have slight doubts, as fuddl will be doing irc radio tomorrow :P21:51
sebnersistpoty: pfff, doesn't keep him away from chatting with me :P21:52
sistpotyhaha21:52
sistpotysebner: tell him greetings ;)21:52
sebnersistpoty: If I really catch him, for sure. I'm wondering if that speeds up his work (dunno if you threat or hug him in RL) :P21:53
sistpotyhaha21:53
sebnersistpoty: btw, the last 2 days were only bla bla but on monday the prolog starts (2 weeks of introduction) with Algorithm, Computer, Maths. Let's see how I'll perform21:55
sistpotysebner: cool! I'm quite sure you'll be excellent!21:56
sebnersistpoty: heh, I doubt that unless they'll replace everything with Ubuntu/MOTU stuff :D21:57
sistpotyhehe21:57
sebnersistpoty: I already did some Social Engineering too, always worth to have that *g*21:59
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ari-tczewsysinfo22:08
ari-tczewUptime: 7 hours and 4 minutes22:08
sistpotyCardinalFang: thanks for the picard debdiff, uploading22:08
CardinalFangthank you, sistpoty.22:08
sistpotyCardinalFang: just as a hint: please don't ignore errors in debian/rules (otherwise we might not find out if your fix ceases to work in the future)22:09
CardinalFangsistpoty, yeah, that "grep -v" is tricky.22:09
sistpotyCardinalFang: it is, and I did spend a few minutes thinking why it works22:10
CardinalFangsistpoty, it raises false though, I think.22:10
CardinalFangsistpoty, anyway, thank you.22:11
sistpotyCardinalFang: maybe just adding one comment line to __init__.py would be a simpler way to do it ;I)22:11
sistpotyCardinalFang: thank you for fixing the bug!22:11
ari-tczewworks fine, thnx sistpoty22:12
sistpotyyou're welcome ari-tczew22:12
sistpotywow, ubuntu-universe-sponsors bugs is down to one page :)22:16
christoph_debiansebner: may I ask what you're doing? University?22:17
sebnerchrisccoulson: sure, yes22:17
christoph_debianbut not one of the erlangen gang? ;)22:18
sistpotytwo bugs that I guess could need some help: bug #420918 and bug #427539 (the former has an FFe granted, but lacks packaging, that latter needs more testing/evaluation for the FFe)22:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 420918 in isdnutils "please update libcapi" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42091822:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427539 in maven2 "[FFe] Sync libmaven packages from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42753922:19
ScottKsistpoty: I think maven needs manual bootstrapping first.  lamont is planning on doing that this weekend, I think.22:21
sistpotyScottK: yes, observed that as well... but imho it would also be good if someone puts it in a ppa for testing (and the FFe needs -core to get newed, but I haven't checked if anything else needs to get newed)22:22
ScottKsistpoty: I think it needs bootstrapped and someone needs to sit down and make a plan.22:23
sistpotyScottK: yes, exactly the latter I'm trying to request help with :)22:23
ari-tczew.22:26
ari-tczewI did sync request maven, how I can help?22:27
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sistpotyari-tczew: have you tried putting the packages in a ppa yet?22:28
ari-tczewnot yet, but I can do it22:29
sistpotyari-tczew: that would be excellent22:30
sistpotyari-tczew: however please note that you might need to wait until some build-dependencies are available for ubuntu22:30
ari-tczewin this week I tryied to make bash script for mass sync from unstable to ppa, but it's not easy for n00b :P22:30
sistpotyari-tczew: (that's what lamont is doing at the moment, since there seems to be a loop of unavailable buid-dependencies)22:30
sistpotyari-tczew: sure thing22:31
sistpotyjust saw your upload, thanks kees!22:32
ari-tczewI'll forward packages to ppa, but tommorow. Today is too late.22:32
sistpotykk22:33
sistpotyand thanks!22:33
ari-tczewso if I just talking with 'admins', I want to ask about something22:35
ari-tczewIn some months I'm making packages for karmic, and I learned that we need contribute to debian too22:36
ari-tczewDo I need forward packages to unstable?22:36
ari-tczewnew upstreams etc?22:36
ari-tczew(nmu)22:36
sistpotyari-tczew: ideally, if you fix something in Ubuntu and the fix applies to debian as well, you should forward the fix22:38
sistpotyari-tczew: for new upstream versions, if there's a debian bug already requesting it, you could attach a fix there as well22:38
ScottK-desktopari-tczew: Not normally unless the package is orphaned in Debian, but also as sistpoty says.22:38
sistpotyari-tczew: or you could report a new bug requesting it (and pointing to the updated ubuntu package)22:39
sistpotyari-tczew: btw, I'm just looking at libpano and hence at hugin. What's the compelling reason we want a new version of hugin?22:40
ari-tczewbug-fix, requested by someone in launchpad22:42
ari-tczewreally I don't need hugin, but I want to help with packaging, e.g. testing builds in ppa etc.22:43
sistpotyari-tczew: 0.7 -> 0.8 is strictly bugfix only?22:43
sistpotyari-tczew: are there some bugs on launchpad that are getting fixed with 0.8?22:43
ari-tczewwait, I'll make diff from ChangeLog file and upload to launchpad for easier reviewing22:44
sistpotyari-tczew: excellent, thanks!22:44
keessistpoty: yup, no problem.22:47
wgrantslangasek: -karmic is authoritative, but the other is a symlink.22:47
keessistpoty: and now I can play space-invaders from grub  ;)22:47
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ari-tczewFYI really a lot of bugs touched by me isn't for me. I'm only giving my hands and time to work, in order to satisfy as much of common ubuntu's users (e.g. new upstream versions)22:50
sistpotyari-tczew: sure thing, but please also understand that motu-release needs some information to make the judgement if it's an update is better for the release or might introduce regressions resulting in much more bugs22:53
ari-tczewyes I understand this22:54
sistpotykees: pfft, that sounds like I ruined ubuntu-security's functionality for the release :P22:54
sistpotygood that I didn't even mention zaz (as in unstable) yet, and will probably be against adding that to karmic *g*22:55
* kees has no idea what zaz is...22:57
keesooh22:57
sistpotydamnit22:59
sistpotymy spouse insisted that I backport it for her jaunty laptop after she saw my playing it22:59
keesheheh23:03
keesyou could totally get that into karmic -- it's a new package.  ;)23:04
sistpotyheh23:05
dtchenkees: got a second for an approach question regarding strcmp()?23:06
keesdtchen: sure, sup?23:07
dtchenkees: ok, so in bug 437293 there's something really bad going on between bluez and pulse23:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 437293 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43729323:07
dtchenkees: the code appears to be crashing due to pa_streq()  (which is just a wrapper around strcmp() ) not validating its modargs23:08
dtchenkees: i.e., if (address && !(pa_streq(d->address, address))) {23:08
ari-tczew@sistpoty: As you said, I can send debdiff to BTS. Can I full upload package like in Ubuntu?23:08
christoph_debiannew packages are easy? so douf00 would be no problem? ;)23:08
keesdtchen: one sec, loading bug23:08
keesdtchen: er, ok, so what's the issue?23:09
dtchenkees: i've spoken with upstream pulse, and he's convinced it's not an issue to not check d->address or address there23:10
sistpotyari-tczew: well, there's mentors.debian.net, where you can store a source package. But I guess you could also attach a .diff.gz to a bug, not too sure what's best practice though23:10
dtchenkees: now, i understand that bluez _should_ be doing the right thing, but uh, isn't it fairly bad practice to just assume strcmp()'s args are initialized?23:10
jtimbermanDo sync requests in Karmic need a second MOTU? If so, could someone please ack lp bug # 42067423:11
sistpotychristoph_debian: new packages are actually not easy, since these need to go through new in Ubuntu as well :( (and archive-admin's tend to focus on other work slightly before release)23:11
keesdtchen: yeah, strcmp needs to be pointing at valid strings.  :P23:11
dtchenkees: right, so in the stack trace for that bug, address is null, which makes me shake my head a little23:12
sistpotydtchen: afaik valgrind even warns if you pass a null pointer to a string function23:12
dtchensistpoty: indeed. unfortunately i'm awaiting the reporter's feedback for VG; i don't have a BT headset handy to reproduce it23:13
dtchenkees: anyhoo, thanks for the sanity-check23:13
keesdtchen: yeah, totally, no problemo23:14
christoph_debiansistpoty: ah so ironically -- makes sense both ways from a technical point of view23:14
sistpotychristoph_debian: probably (though I believe that packages in unstable are getting a much better treatment than the stuff that is directly uploaded)23:16
ari-tczewsistpoty: thanks for the help, it's important. Learning from other experienced people is better than reading arts like wiki.23:17
ari-tczewI added ChangeLog's diff to hugin request. Test for other lp's bugs I'll do later.23:19
sistpotythanks!23:26
sistpotychristoph_debian: having taken a look at douf00, it seems to be a simple source package and packaging looks top-notch, so...23:31
sistpotychristoph_debian: if you want it in, would you like to file a FFe for it?23:31
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ari-tczewsistpoty: can I set one of my ppas for public upload?23:46
sistpotyari-tczew: what do you mean with public upload?23:47
ari-tczewlibmaven packages is too much so not only me will be can upload packages to my-ppa (I have created ppa for maven)23:47
sistpotyari-tczew: I doubt you can set it to public, but I must admit that I don't have too much knowledge about PPAs23:48
ari-tczewyhym OK23:49
lifelessany sponsors around ?23:54
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lifelesss/sponsors/motu-archive/23:54
james_wmotu-release?23:55
lifelessyes23:55
lifelessthats the one ;)23:55
* lifeless should grab some caffeine23:55
lifelessbug 44097623:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 440976 in subunit "Sync subunit 0.0.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44097623:55
james_wgood morning23:55
lifelessseeking ack23:55
lifelesshi james_w , good morning to you :)23:55
james_wlifeless: I advise you subscribe them in case two aren't hanging around right now23:56
james_wlifeless: also, did the .so thing get sorted? I forgot to look at it today23:56
lifelessrequestsync does that :)23:56
james_wnope23:56
lifelessthough its grabbed ubuntu-archive. bah23:56
lifelessthanks for the suggestion, much needed23:57
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james_walso, they are going to want to know the stuff from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess23:58
james_wlike the features that you are asking for an exception for23:58
Laneyrequestsync sometimes doesn't get the sponsor stuff right23:58
Laneyi dunno why23:58
james_wlifeless doesn't need a sponsor23:58
Laneyoh, ffe?23:59
james_wbut I think requestsync has a flag for freeze exceptions?23:59
Laneythere's a flag for that23:59
Laney-e23:59
lifelessjames_w: its bugfix only23:59
lifelessignore the version numbers ;)23:59
james_wlifeless: in that case you don't need motu-release yet23:59
james_wso this was all a round-about way of getting back where we started23:59

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