JontheEchidnanot much has gone on in bzr since when he committed the jaunty stuff to 4.3 I don't think00:00
Riddellnothing has00:00
a|wenRiddell: i get a systemsettings crash every time i try to edit a printer ... dunno if it is just me; but could maybe be due to the new cups, so something needs some updating00:04
JontheEchidnagood night00:08
nixternalRiddell: TerminateServer=True in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc allows you to log out00:11
nixternalit is commented out currently00:11
JontheEchidnait's been like that since 4.000:12
Riddella|wen: unlikely to be just you, do report the backtrace on bugs.kde.org00:12
JontheEchidnaI think it might be working around the problem rather than solving it, but if it's the only way00:12
Riddellmm, right00:13
RiddellJontheEchidna: you havn't been able to log out since 4.0?00:13
JontheEchidnaancient nvidia drivers have had an x crash since 4.000:13
JontheEchidnait was working for a bit in karmic00:13
JontheEchidnaand I have no clue how since I was on intel00:13
JontheEchidnabut I do know that terminateserver has been set to false, and some people can log out sucessfully with it that way00:14
a|wenJontheEchidna: what is the problem we're trying to solve?00:15
JontheEchidnamaking log out work for everybody. If this is the only way then I'd go with it even if it is a workaround00:15
a|wenRiddell: okay, i'll try to get some backtraces and report them00:16
JontheEchidnaprobably terminating the server instead of reusing it makes things a bit slower, but it's better than not being able to log out00:16
a|wenoh ... has worked fine for me all the time; graphic card dependant?00:16
JontheEchidnaseems so00:17
JontheEchidnaintel is affected, as well as ancient nvidia00:17
* a|wen is on (in most other regards crappy) ati00:17
JontheEchidnafor TerminateServer:00:18
JontheEchidna1456 Restart instead of resetting the local &X-Server; after session exit.00:18
JontheEchidna1457 Use it if the server leaks memory etc.00:18
a|wenas long as it doesn't gives problems for others, i think it is an okay solution ... kdm seems to restart pretty fast anyway, compared to a few releases ago00:19
JontheEchidna1459 Whether &kdm; should restart the local &X-Server; after session exit instead00:19
JontheEchidna1460 of resetting it. Use this if the &X-Server; leaks memory or crashes the system00:19
JontheEchidna1461 on reset attempts.00:19
JontheEchidnalooks like we need to use this if there are known X crashes... ha00:19
JontheEchidnalike we could ever expect there not to be X crashes00:20
a|wendoesn't x restart itself if it detects a crash; i thought it did00:20
JontheEchidnaone must assume there is a silly reason for it not doing so during a logout00:20
JontheEchidnamaybe ksmserver detects such things00:21
JontheEchidnamaybe not, but if they coded a forced restart of X there must be some stupid reason00:22
a|wenare you sure it actually crashes and not just stalls ;)00:23
a|wen"legacy" ... i'm pretty sure the auto-restart on crash in the x-server is a somewhat new addition00:23
JontheEchidnathe crash on logout for intel drivers is fixed, but for some reason X doesn't restart unless you force it to00:23
nixternalheh, ARch is using our notifications :)00:24
a|wennixternal: the ayatana ones?00:25
JontheEchidnabut ayatana is the spawn of the devil!00:25
JontheEchidnaand arch is the holiest of binary distributions00:25
nixternala|wen: yes00:26
JontheEchidnaIf Arch fanbois are hardcore... I don't want to encounter Chakra fans00:26
a|weni actually find them very nice!00:26
nixternaleven has agateau's name written all over it :)00:26
JontheEchidnaeh, maybe it's not fair to generalize about distro fanboys00:33
JontheEchidnaBut if Arch users think they're elite... and then Chakra is an even eliter version of Arch....00:33
nixternalwe only have a few more patches than opensuse does in kdebase-workspace..the rest we are like even...why do people say we ruin the experience by patching so much?00:34
nixternalit does seem that the Chakra project is pretty sane though on their patches00:34
ScottKnixternal: TerminateServer doesn't sound like a good thing for switching users though00:34
nixternalthey have cherry picked the patches between Kubuntu, Debian, and openSUSE from what I can see just in kdebase-workspace00:35
nixternalScottK: I have no clue, it allows me to log out00:35
nixternalI don't think the KDM issue is related to kdebase-workspace patches at all00:35
nixternalI build a patcheless kdebase-workspace and I still couldn't log out00:35
JontheEchidnaI have a theory. We (hope that we) have a lot of users. With more users there is a higher chance of things going wrong, leading to a higher chance of people complaining from distro X. Complainers find each other on the internet and congregate. The more complainers that are found, the more certain they are that Kubuntu is the source of their problems, even if it is an upstream issue00:35
ScottKSounds reasonable.00:36
JontheEchidnaThey try distro Y where by chance the issue does not occur, and hate distro X for life00:36
ScottKThanks to opensuse 10.1 there is a zero percent chance of me using opensuse ever again00:36
nixternalwell, I think we need to reaproach our patches for Lucid...it seems a bit crazy to have 43 patches just for kdebase-workspace00:36
ScottKThis is in line with your theory JontheEchidna.00:37
ScottKnixternal: Agreed.00:37
JontheEchidnaLess patches is definitely a good idea00:37
JontheEchidnaIf we could separate them out into debian, kubuntu and upstream cherrypick folders that would be awesome00:37
nixternalwell, I was thinking, just for fun, that I would package up kdecore stuff w/o patches and then benchmark to see00:37
nixternalthat way there we would at least have a base to compare against00:37
JontheEchidnaThat sort of thing has worked out great for the konversation package00:37
JontheEchidnawe could use glxgears for a benchmark! :P00:41
Sputhmmm... Gentoo is still waiting for libindicate to lose its unnecessary gtk-build-time deps, after that we'll package it as well for people to try out :)00:42
* Sput is sorta curious to figure out what agateau did to his Quassel00:43
nixternalprobably the same thing with kopete...I get these nudges or people adding me, and the popup goes away before I can do anything, and then I go to kopete and there is nothing there00:43
JontheEchidnaI see at least 3 patches in kdebase-runtime that could be upstreamed00:44
JontheEchidnathe 6 fdo notifications patches are merged upstream, except for the discard actions patch00:46
ScottKAnd we don't enable that one by default.00:51
RiddellSput: seriously?  gentoo is waiting for a build time dep change?  they really have a funny idea about users00:52
SputRiddell: dragging in half of gnome for a lib that doesn't depend on gnome is not acceptable00:53
Riddellfor developers!00:53
SputRiddell: we're a source-based distro00:53
Sputso we can't just ship the binaries :)00:53
Sputso build-time deps actually matter for our users00:54
JontheEchidnadon't all Gentoo users have quad core machines with 4 GB of RAM and 1TB hard drives?00:54
JontheEchidna(I joke)00:54
Sputyes, but that doesn't mean that all Gentoo users want to have half of gNOme installed :)00:54
* Sput "fondly" remembers installing gNOme's nm-applet to configure networkmanager when knm wasn't ready yet, and having to install 83 packages for a tray applet00:55
Sputat least those were runtime deps :)00:56
Sputbut build-time deps that are unnecessary (at least that's what agataeu told me, they're just required by the buildsys) won't pass through our QA00:57
JontheEchidnawhat are they using? GAutotools?00:58
SputI have no idea, haven't looked at it myself00:58
JontheEchidnaI would be very afraid if such a thing existed00:58
Sputprolly some unneeded autocrap checks00:58
nixternalhave we been updating bzr at all for the core packages? I just ran a bzr pull on all of the directories and there were no updates..I don't remember doing an update recently to pull in changes00:58
JontheEchidnayeah, bzr is still in use00:59
JontheEchidnawhich package?00:59
nixternalI must of...heh, they are all udpated00:59
Sputlet's just say, if Canonical wants to have their inidicator stuff tried more widespread, they need to work on deployment and build system :)01:00
Sputafaik agateau opened a bug to that respect, so here's hoping they fix it soonish01:01
* nixternal goes out to eat01:02
* JontheEchidna lets kdebase-runtime continue to build and goes off to play some video games01:05
* Sput rebuilds his KDE as well01:28
Sputfour days is an eternity in KDE world.01:29
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nixternaldo we have a list of "MUST FIX NOW BUGS!"?03:26
ScottKIIRC the KDM one is one of the biggest, but let me find the  list.03:27
ScottKnixternal: We got KDM plus OOo save dialog and then:03:29
ScottKSome kcontrol modules missing translations03:29
ScottKKDM/ksmserver hangs on logout03:29
ScottKKPacakgeKit broken probably due to policykit crash03:29
nixternalthe KDM one is tricky03:39
nixternalsince I am looking at the KDM stuff, I am going to go through the kdebase-workspace list03:41
nixternalare we honoring bugs in LP that deal with our PPA?03:45
* nixternal fix releases it anyways03:46
ScottKIf it's a real bug, sure04:10
nixternalI don't even remember what it was anymore, but I know I wasn't having that problem :)04:11
* ScottK just spent some time looking at what Google had to say about Kubuntu Netbook. It was all pretty good.04:13
nixternalstupid ass freenode04:18
ScottKThat's pretty redundant.04:24
rgreeninghey all04:41
rgreeningjust finished watchin SG-U on space :)04:41
nixternalwasabi foolio04:41
rgreeningkmail just crashed.. grr.04:41
nixternalmutt is running like a champ04:42
* nixternal is being an ass and asking questions in bug reports and setting them to incomplete (59 days!)04:46
JontheEchidnaman... you rock nixternal. you should be an ass more often ;-)05:28
JontheEchidnaby the way, the ksnapshot bug was fixed the 30th and made it in to 4.3.205:29
JontheEchidnasee ya'll tomorrow05:29
nixternaloh rock on05:30
nixternali didn't figure it got backported in a day, KDE rocks!05:31
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markeywow, giant updates today in karmic :)07:57
markey230 MB07:57
markeyis there any way to disable Apport completely?08:04
markeyit comes up a lot, and I really don't need it08:04
Quintasanhow come I need to run kbluetooth using sudo?08:06
nixternalhey, KDM...if you have one user, the user list doesn't show, but if you add another user, then the list shows...I am guessing this is expect behavior but I am not positive...anyone know?08:07
markeyI've already set enabled=008:12
markeyin /etc/default/apport08:13
markeydoesn't really help08:13
markeykdesudo comes up all the time for apport08:13
nixternalheh, same for everybody...hopefully it will be fixed soon as it is a bit of a mess08:14
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nixternalkdebase-workspace cleaned up a bit...I am going to bed now09:17
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ulysses__greetings, Can I have a question? so, yesterday was a meeting, nad some battle, for example kaffeine vs. dragon player10:45
ulysses__which video player was the winner?10:45
a|wenulysses__: dragon player for karmic ... though kaffeine will be on the dvd as well (iirc)11:18
ulysses__a|wen: thanks11:18
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=== ryanakca changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Beta! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.10-beta | Feature and UI Freeze in effect | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
allee-kKarmicUpgrades misses:  how to upgrade jaunty -> karmic without X (broken jaunty Xserver)  :(14:37
a|wenallee-k: do-release-upgrade should be the console way of doing upgrades14:40
allee-ka|wen: thx14:50
allee-kgrbml. This laptop has black humor :(  now after dozends of tries and reboots, now that I know how-to-without-X, the Xserver started after rebooting :(14:54
a|wenhehe, never meddle with technology15:05
ScottKClearly we need to make using the beta release sound more scary.15:17
ScottKUpdates are wayyyy to slow15:18
Nightroseanyone working on getting amarok 2.2 final into karmic?15:24
jussi01grrr, why does pulse keep getting installed. pulse is of the devil...15:25
ScottKjussi01: aptitude why pulseaudio15:26
jussi01!info amarok karmic15:26
ScottKThat's the one thing I use aptitude for15:26
ubottuamarok (source: amarok): easy to use media player based on the KDE 4 technology platform. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.1.90-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 7293 kB, installed size 19808 kB15:26
jussi01ScottK: ahh. thanks. thats very cool.15:28
jussi01but puse is still evil...15:28
ScottKBack (hopefully) in a bit.  Need to reboot the server the core is on for a new kernel.15:28
jussi01ScottK: see you soon15:28
jussi01ScottK: welcome back15:36
jussi01ScottK: you may want to put your nickserv pass as your server pass though, then you are identified before joining channels.15:37
* ScottK keeps meaning to do that.15:37
jussi01ScottK: btw, I got around the whole phonon mess.... by using the cmake flag to not build with phonon... not ideal, but works.15:38
ScottKI'm not sure what was causing that as the quassel package builds fine without change15:39
QuintasanRiddelll: ping15:41
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Riddelllhi Quintasan16:56
QuintasanRiddelll: I have recived the email regarding dooble, however I dunno what yayc is and how I'm supposed to include it :/16:57
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freinharddistupgrade failed with "ERROR SystemError from cache.commit(): installArchives() failed" in /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log17:15
freinhard/var/log/dpkg.log doesn't show any recent actions, so i guess nothing has been installed yet17:16
RiddelllQuintasan: I think ignore it17:21
freinhardas i close the message box that i should run dpkg --configure -a i get notified that the system upgrade was successfull but there were some errors. i guess that's plain sarcasm ;)17:21
RiddelllQuintasan: oh read now, well  if he's changing to GPL that's more interesting17:22
RiddelllQuintasan: just say you don't know  what it  is and there's no package of it  so that's not  possible17:26
Riddelllno point going even more out of  our way for  him17:26
freinhardhooray, FIXME in apt.cache.Cache *grr*18:01
ScottKAnyone having trouble with enabling compositing today?18:01
ScottKMy mini 10v won't do desktop effects anymore18:02
freinhardi'd love to try, but can't upgrade.18:04
freinhardbtw, what happened to the code.launchpad.net inteface? looks awful...18:08
ScottKfreinhard: The usual thing when Launchpad developers decide to improve tings.18:12
ScottKRestarting the system didn't help either ...18:13
freinhardmust be a serius problem. bugs that don't get fixed by rebooting are tough ones ;)18:14
ScottKFor the moment, I'm going to suspect nixternal's kdm logout work around.18:15
ScottKIn other news, it's really annoying to have a 6 hour battery life when you want to test the low power suspend warning.  Anyone know a manual way to trigger that?18:20
ScottKnixternal: If I use your kdm work around I lose compositing.18:21
nixternalI don't18:23
ScottKThis is on my mini 10v18:23
nixternalScottK: you should be able to trigger the suspend using qdbus18:23
ScottKI just re-enabled the work around and am rebooting.18:23
ScottKWe'll see.18:24
ScottKnixternal: Any suggestions on how (qdbus)?18:24
freinhardanyone round who's a bit deepter into python-apt? documentation isn't really verbose and i'd like to know how to get error messages from a PackageManager18:25
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ScottKnixternal: I can't replicate the compositing loss anymore, so unless proven otherwise, I'll assume it was something else18:49
nixternalI take it the amarok upload is quite broken? I haven't looked, but I see it is held back on my amd64 machines and not even available for x8619:04
nixternalstupid LP. I get one of those ajaxy popups saying "An error was encountered" with just an "OK" button...I know GNOME likes to dumb down their error messages, but that is going a bit to far :p19:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: getting unk to not eat mem is going to be tricky19:05
apacheloggerno clue what I did yesterday but I am back to 31 MiB :S19:06
apacheloggeroh, I borked my branch19:06
freinhardnixternal: better some error popup than just nothing like python-apt's apt.cache.Cache.commit19:07
apacheloggergarbage collection ought to be fun19:09
apacheloggernixternal: can a pyobject destroy itself?19:13
nixternalwhen the app closes of course :p19:16
nixternalneed more context for this one :)19:16
nixternaltrying to remember if PyObject.Destroy() is still valid or not...been quite some time, probably the last time I read my Python In A Nutshell book :p19:16
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apacheloggersay I have an object foo, that triggers a knotification, foo exists until the user reacts to the knotification... so once the user triggered some action, foo should do whatever is necessary for that action and then destroy itself19:19
apacheloggerself will only recreate the foo object if its name is not yet occupied (i.e. there is no notification waiting for user reaction)19:20
apacheloggerin order to not have foo tell self that it is now ready to be destroyed, foo should just do it itself19:21
nixternalare you using like 'self.foo = KNotification.event(blah blah lbah)' in a function?19:23
nixternalself.foo used anywhere else other than that function?19:23
apacheloggerwell, technically KNotification.event is done by foo19:23
apacheloggernixternal: no19:23
nixternalI need to see the code..I think I just confused myself19:24
nixternalI am pretty sure I just confused myself :)  I just woke up dude..I was up until 03:30 hacking on some bugs :)19:24
apacheloggernixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284806/19:26
nixternalonce self.rebooter.show() is completed, it is dead19:28
nixternalthat is unless of course there is something funky in def rebooter():19:28
apacheloggerhow so?19:28
nixternalKNotification.event destroys itself upon closing (at least I thought)19:29
apacheloggeryou are talking about apacheloggercode :P19:29
apacheloggerall about it is funky19:29
apacheloggerdo ignore and hide should all call close or something, that leads to the object being destroyed19:30
apacheloggernixternal: I wonder what happens if they do it via Qt19:33
nixternalahh, dude you just helped me figure out my problem with configGroup...damn QVariant(True)...that has been killing me :)19:33
* apachelogger tries deleteLater19:33
apacheloggernixternal: actually it is all pythons fault :P19:33
apacheloggerIIRC in ruby you will not have to do type conversion19:33
apacheloggerpossibly rubyqt does this by default or something19:33
nixternalright, and I wasn't doing type conversion19:33
apacheloggerI see19:34
nixternalI followed someone elses example which was evil to begin with19:34
apacheloggeronly follow apacheloggercode :P19:34
nixternalthe great thing about Python is you don't have to know wtf you are doing and you can still write a python app :p19:34
apacheloggerand run into bugs19:34
nixternalonly if you are a GNOME dev :p19:34
apacheloggerwho would know that self.connect(self.kn, SIGNAL("action1Activated"), self.__do) does not work because the () for the signal are missing19:35
nixternalI need the old kdm script for /etc/init.d/19:35
nixternalI want to make sure this KDM issue isn't related to upstart19:35
ScottKShould be on Launchpad19:35
* nixternal does bzr diff to find out19:35
ScottKthat too19:35
nixternalbzr revert -r18219:36
nixternalgot it :)19:36
apachelogger    self.deleteLater()19:38
apacheloggerRuntimeError: underlying C/C++ object has been deleted19:38
* ScottK is really glad he got that fiber optic connection to the house so he can download Ubuntu updates at a blazing 100kB/s.19:39
* ryanakca grins19:42
ScottKOhhh.  Missed a zero.  Now 10.4.19:42
nixternaldude, I have fiber too, and I am getting 45.5 right now19:43
ScottKYeah, I'm back up in the 40s now too.19:43
ScottKToo bad it couldn't have been predicted that lots of people would download the betas so they could have planned ahead for more bandwidth.19:44
* apachelogger does not know what to do :(19:45
nixternalapachelogger: don't be sad, I don't know what to do everyday :)19:45
apacheloggerI mean to destroy the object :P19:46
* ScottK hands apachelogger a baseball bat.19:46
apacheloggerI suppose the only solution is to emit a signal connected to the parent which triggers parent to unset the object name, thus enabling the automatic garbage collector to search and destroy19:47
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I did some tests, importing specific things didn't make a difference at all19:47
apacheloggercant hurt either19:48
apacheloggersomething is weird anyway19:49
apacheloggersometimes the mem usage drops sometimes it does not19:49
ScottKPlease don't break the printing.  Right now printer setup on Kubuntu is far superior to what my wife gets on Max OS X and I'd like to not mess that up.19:49
* apachelogger is breaking update notification :P19:49
ScottKAh, OK.  That's pretty broken as it is.19:50
nixternalbug 440076 - can anyone try to see if they can reproduce this? I can switch to the modern system windeco w/o any problems19:52
ubottuBug 440076 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/440076 is private19:52
apacheloggerinteresting that self.children() in unk does only list the kdirwatches19:53
nixternalwell, with KDM, I can confirm that the old way with /etc/init.d/kdm doesn't log out either19:53
nixternaland that is with a patchless install of kdebase-workspace19:54
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah, I observed u-n-kde go down from 10.6 MB to 8.x MB last night19:54
JontheEchidnashared mem went from 18 to like 519:54
JontheEchidnatwas weird19:54
apacheloggerif children would actually list all the qobject children :P19:55
ScottKTime to see if the server will reboot into karmic.  Hopefully back soon.19:58
apacheloggerthat is actually fun :D20:03
apacheloggernixternal: running rebootEvent(self).show() will make the object die as soon as the main loop leaves the object scope20:03
apacheloggerone would expect qsignals to ensure the object does not die prematurely20:04
freinhardmaybe that applys for qt-c++ but pyqt is always a bit different20:04
apacheloggereasier to create buggy apps with IMHO20:05
freinhardpyside to the rescue ;)20:09
apacheloggerthis is insane20:09
apacheloggerI del the parents object reference20:09
ScottKThat was a relatively painless upgrade.  Only one high bug filed.20:09
apacheloggeryet the object does not get garbaged20:09
* Quintasan is back20:25
QuintasanRiddelll: omfg, this guy is so persistent -.-20:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the gnome notifier is actually written in c :D20:30
JontheEchidnathey must have realized python was no fun too20:30
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apacheloggerrebootEvent implements event :)20:31
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the design should be fully portable to cpp really20:31
apacheloggeralthough, I think currently it looks more like ruby than python :S20:32
JontheEchidnayou don't see very many tutorials for unglamourous things like kded modules, but I suppose it shouldn't be too hard20:32
apacheloggertake a look at some simple one's code20:32
apacheloggersame goes for KCM really20:32
JontheEchidnawe should change the suse free space one to use knotifications20:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that went upstream20:32
JontheEchidnathen use that experience to code an update-helper-kde20:32
JontheEchidnaoh, it did? awesome20:32
JontheEchidnahmm.. notification-helper-kde?20:33
apacheloggerdoesnt matter at this point20:33
apacheloggermuch more important20:33
JontheEchidnathe name is the least important part, yeah20:33
apacheloggerimports dbus bindings, yet calls qdbus20:33
apacheloggerthat is like buying apples to eat a banana :P20:33
apacheloggeris there some faster way to write self.var?20:34
JontheEchidnalulz = self.var, then use that locally maybe?20:35
apacheloggerI suppose self.var is like @var in ruby (i.e. scoped to the class)20:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that is lame20:35
apacheloggerruby > python20:35
apacheloggerthe more I do python the more I must stress that fact20:35
JontheEchidnabtw, what's the syntax for batgetorig'ing one package?20:36
apacheloggerbetgetorig packagename20:36
apacheloggerI guess20:36
JontheEchidnabatgetorig kdepimlibs didn't work20:36
JontheEchidnabatgetorig [ package | extragear | extragear/package ]20:37
JontheEchidna/usr/bin/batgetorig:57: undefined method `include?' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)20:37
Quintasanarchives suck today20:38
apacheloggerif pkg.include?("extragear")20:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: weird code20:40
apacheloggerwho made that code Oo20:40
JontheEchidnamaybe it became sentient and started maintaining itself?20:41
apacheloggersomething like that20:41
apacheloggeroh it might have been a premature "fix" in my not-so-much-avail-time20:41
JontheEchidnaat the least batgetorigrc can serve as a reminder to the scp syntax + ftp url20:42
ScottKPremature is not good.20:42
apacheloggeranyway syntax is flawed20:43
apacheloggerif $*[0] != nil20:43
apachelogger    puts("batgetorig [ package | extragear | extragear/package ]")20:43
apacheloggerthat way the following elif will never be processed if any arg is given20:43
apacheloggerand the followings are actually responsible for treating the arg...20:43
apacheloggerchicken-egg problem I suppose :P20:44
apacheloggereasy to fix though20:44
apacheloggerdont have bzr installed though20:45
QuintasanI thought we don't use these now :P20:45
apacheloggerdont care to right now either20:45
apacheloggeroh well unk is annoying the shit out of me20:46
apacheloggerI shall stop poking that20:46
Quintasanurgh, high-leve ruby code20:48
apacheloggerQuintasan: actually it is not high-level :P20:52
apacheloggermore like lower class medium20:52
apacheloggerto keep it slick :P20:52
Quintasanoh well, I have found why's guide in pdf so I can resume learning20:53
JontheEchidnaany core-dev around that can sponsor bug 441633?21:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441633 in konversation "New upstream release candidate (Konversation 1.2 RC1)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44163321:20
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'll have a look.21:32
nixternal100kB/s!!!! \o/21:32
nixternalI just saw over 200!!!21:32
ScottKJontheEchidna: How throughly have you tested this?21:32
nixternal2 hours to sync my image21:32
JontheEchidnaI've not had too much chance to test it very long since I posted it as soon as I made packages21:33
ScottKOK.  I'll have a look.  Let me know if you run into problems.21:33
ScottKJontheEchidna: Would you be able to look at updating xz-utils?21:33
ScottKThe one we have has a bad file corrupution bug.21:34
JontheEchidnaYeah, I could do that.21:34
JontheEchidnaouch, data loss ftl21:34
ScottKAnd it's not like we care about lzma or anything.21:34
yuriysad, no other kubuntu users at MIT's bug jam21:53
nixternalit will be like that for me tomorrow at the Chicago Jam21:54
ScottKWe are few, but we are strong21:54
nixternalthough I usually just backhand the ones who try to talk trash21:54
ScottKOne of the interesting things I learned in Barcelona (last UDS) is that Canonical employees are supposed to use Ubuntu so that they are so to say eating their own dogfood.  Using Kubuntu counts for dogfooding.  Using Xubuntu or one of the other non-main derivatives does not.21:55
ScottKSo a fair number of Canonicla people use Kubuntu.21:56
yuriystrong ... fine print: graphical package management not included21:56
ScottKIt's there.  Just doesn't work very well.21:57
dtchenit's pretty much impossible for me to dogfood21:57
dtcheni don't have nearly all the hardware my code touches21:58
yuriythis is really weird, I can't get to bugs.kde.org, even though everyone else can. kind of hard to do anything useful like this.21:58
yuriyoh damn guest wireless.22:02
ScottKJontheEchidna: Any reason I shouldn't go ahead an upload this Konversation?22:11
yuriyanyone else getting duplicate systray icons?22:13
ScottKyuriy: Do you have two systrays stacked on top of each other?22:14
* ScottK has had that before.22:14
JontheEchidnaScottK: none that I can think of22:14
yuriyScottK: nope, but interesting theory22:14
yuriywhat does the apport /var/crash monitoring for Ubuntu?22:15
JontheEchidnaI have an interesting build failure with xz-utils. It fails at the start when it's running debuild clean: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284925/22:15
JontheEchidnaany magic I have to run before debuilding?22:15
ScottKJontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.22:16
dtchenmmm, autotool-fu22:16
* JontheEchidna lacks autotool-fu22:16
dtchenso, at the very least, that's stuff from autoconf and automake22:16
JontheEchidnamore like, fu autotool22:16
dtchenwell, yes, that, too22:16
ScottKJontheEchidna: There are some interesting comments in debian/changelog about manual config, but I didn't get a chance to look into it.22:17
* ScottK is lacking in the auto deparment too.22:17
dtcheni don't know the preferred approach for that package in particular, but that's really:22:19
dtchenintltoolize --force --copy22:19
dtchenlibtoolize --force --copy --automake22:19
dtchenautomake --gnu --add-missing --force --copy22:19
yuriywhat u-n-k does for crash reporting looks rather weird to me and I don't understand why it would work. I want to look at what the ubuntu thing does22:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: bzr updated too.22:19
dtchensome of the flags may not be desirable; again, i'm unfamiliar with that specific source packae22:20
JontheEchidnaERROR: 'IT_PROG_INTLTOOL' must appear in configure.ac for intltool to work.22:21
JontheEchidnathis package might be out of the realm of my capabilities22:22
ScottKMight be a good learning experience.22:26
ScottKI'd try skipping inltoolize and move on to libtoolize.22:26
JontheEchidnaall 3 of those gave the same error22:27
=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates
JontheEchidnaI am gaining a greater appreciation of cmake from this experience22:28
nixternalcmake > *22:28
yuriyMI looks pretty broken to me22:30
JontheEchidnawe just got a bug report about kmail not showing up in it after the latest updates22:30
JontheEchidnabug 44172922:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441729 in kdepim "kmail doesn't show up in indicator display anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44172922:31
yuriykopete is showing up but when a message comes in it just flashes and goes away22:31
yuriynothing in the indicator popup except the kopete icon22:31
yuriythis might be because i have queue messages off in kopete22:31
yuriyevery time i give kopete a try i have to change a bunch of things like that, the default settings are awful22:32
ScottKJontheEchidna: It was default on before by mistake.  The last upload changed the default to off (as it should have been all along).  If they manually turn it on, it should work.22:32
JontheEchidnaoh, ok22:32
Quintasanwut, current buffer in vim == opened file?22:34
dtchenJontheEchidna: source package location?22:35
dtchenmay as well take a break from hacking up sound/pci/hda/*22:35
JontheEchidnadtchen: zx-utils, apt-get source'd from the archive22:35
JontheEchidnanew upstream release that fixes a corruption bug22:35
ScottKThen drop a new tarball on top of it22:35
yuriyScottK: looks like still default on for kopete22:35
ScottKIs bug then.22:36
dtchenerr, xz-utils?22:36
JontheEchidnadoes it really matter if the plugin is on by default if there is no indicator on the desktop by default?22:36
nixternalmaco: that lady in the video you just linked to, the one who was in front of the AT&T banner, that was my old boss Pam!!!22:36
macohahahah awesome22:36
nixternalI hated her with a passion, but it is cool to see she is in the video22:36
yuriylooks like update-notifier is hardcoded to apport-gtk. so i wonder why i'm bothering.22:37
nixternali run into her at the gym every now and then and she still tries to preach to me :)22:37
nixternalawesome unix hacker, horrible boss22:38
nixternalI said "Vista and Windows 7" in a recent tweet, and now I have had 28 people who are MS nutbags start following me22:39
Quintasannixternal: that's Twitter for you :D22:39
nixternalsomeone bragging that "love word 2007" has more hits on google than "hate word 2007"22:40
JontheEchidnamaybe nixternal just naturally attracts tech drama?22:40
Quintasandrama magnet :D22:40
dtchenJontheEchidna: i think you're onto something22:40
nixternalso I did "hate office 2007" vs. "hate openoffice", and openoffice won with just a few thousand hits where the office 2007 one had almost 200,000 hits :)22:40
dtchenJontheEchidna: am i supposed to grabbing a new upstream version?22:41
JontheEchidnadtchen: wget http://tukaani.org/xz/xz-4.999.9beta.tar.gz22:41
dtchenah, that's better.22:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: There is an indicator on the desktop by default.22:41
ScottKNot for upgrades, just for new installs.22:42
ScottKPresent, but not doing anything was the compromise.22:43
dtchenjeez, no debian/ in 4.999.9beta?22:43
JontheEchidnathat's the pure upstream tarball22:44
dtchenyeah, i'm just bitter with uupdate22:45
yuriyJontheEchidna: are you going to UDS?22:45
yuriyoh guess you have school right22:45
JontheEchidnayeah :(22:45
ScottKWhat he has is misplaced priorities22:46
dtchenno, that's maco.22:47
macowhat i do?22:47
macooh yeah im going to school instead of UDS too22:48
macoalso: what sort of icon would be appropriate for a mips assembly emulator?22:48
dtchenyou kinda need to if you want to pass22:48
macodtchen: that too22:48
macolike, how does one represent an emulator? this package doesnt have a .desktop so im adding one but it doesnt have an icon either so im gonna make one but...bwahh?22:49
dtchenan icon that has MIPS ASM in it.22:49
dtchenbe creative; use that noggin'!22:49
macooh. crud! otsukimi started 20 minutes ago. dang!22:50
nixternalmaco: don't feel bad, I am going on a bike trip instead of UDS :)22:51
dtchenyeah, i'm going to work instead of UDS22:54
dtchennot that i have a choice in this particular deployment22:54
* Quintasan want's to go to UDS but he is in queue for sponsorship22:56
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dtchenJontheEchidna: you just need to run autoconf && autoheader && automake --gnu --add-missing --force --copy22:58
dtchenJontheEchidna: then do the debuild foo22:58
JontheEchidnacool, thanks22:59
JontheEchidnastill fails in pbuilder after running those then debuilding :(23:05
* yuriy wants a magical instant kdelibs builder23:05
JontheEchidnathen pbuilding the resulting source package23:06
=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk
yuriyi should remember to keep my work computer on over the weekend and put a pbuilder on there23:06
ScottKI should remember to switch back to KDE notifications before trying out the low battery suspend notification.23:16
ScottKOK, notifcation is back and the timer is 30 seconds, unfortunately the notification itself is only 5 sseconds.23:24
yuriyis there a way to change that?23:27
nixternalyes, I would like to know how to do that, especially for kopete notifications that come and go so fast that I don't even know what happened23:29
ScottKIn theory23:31
* ScottK looks around23:31
yuriywhat do I need to do to set up userconfig for translations?23:58
yuriyhttps://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/userconfig says no templates available23:58

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