| RenatoSilva | What's the purpose of "triaged" and "in progress" bug status? | 01:01 |
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| idnar | I think "in progress" means somebody is working on it | 01:03 |
| RenatoSilva | on a separate branch? so fix committed is when it's in trunk, right? | 01:04 |
| idnar | I think fix committed just means a fix has been committed somewhere, maybe a branch | 01:05 |
| idnar | but ICBW | 01:05 |
| idnar | if you're working on the bug, then you won't have committed the fix yet (otherwise you would be finished working on it) | 01:05 |
| wgrant | Fix Committed is meant to be when it's in trunk, or a series branch, or something similar. Not just that a fix exists. | 01:07 |
| wgrant | In Progress is when somebody is working on it. | 01:07 |
| wgrant | https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses | 01:08 |
| RenatoSilva | that is, there are commits about it, but not the final commit that fixes it | 01:08 |
| ScottK | Except of course for the projects where it doesn't mean that. | 01:08 |
| wgrant | Hence "is meant to be" | 01:09 |
| wgrant | The way Ubuntu does things (particularly with the sponsorship mess) is, IMO, crazy and wrong. | 01:10 |
| RenatoSilva | I read the page, it seems triaged == confirmed | 01:11 |
| RenatoSilva | ScottK: and would mean what then | 01:12 |
| ScottK | Depends on the project | 01:12 |
| wgrant | Triaged implies that somebody qualified has looked at the bug, and it wasn't entirely confirmed by a pack of crazy users. | 01:12 |
| ScottK | For the Ubuntu Backports project "In Progress" means that it's been approved for backporting and is waiting to be processed. | 01:12 |
| RenatoSilva | why open all those status to the users it seems no sense | 01:13 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: Users can be developers. | 01:13 |
| RenatoSilva | mainly the fix committed, as not all users have access to the trunk, obviously | 01:13 |
| ScottK | Fix Committed might be upstream. | 01:13 |
| RenatoSilva | can be, but are not always | 01:14 |
| RenatoSilva | upstream | 01:14 |
| RenatoSilva | ? | 01:14 |
| wgrant | ScottK: Ubuntu's use of Fix Committed is an abuse to work around Launchpad limitations. | 01:14 |
| wgrant | It is completely wrong. | 01:14 |
| RenatoSilva | brb | 01:14 |
| ScottK | wgrant: Only to the extent one believes that the developers of Launchpad are better at defining the workflow for distro developers than they are. | 01:15 |
| RenatoSilva | well, I don't see no reason confirmed would be anything different from triagged, from that page | 01:15 |
| wgrant | ScottK: If the fix is upstream, it probably needs work to get it into the distro. | 01:15 |
| wgrant | ScottK: If I see a Fix Committed bug, I am going to ignore it. | 01:15 |
| wgrant | It is going to become much messier once Ubuntu is using bzr. | 01:16 |
| wgrant | Because then Fix Committed will be used for its real meaning. | 01:16 |
| ScottK | wgrant: Sure, but otherwise Fix Committed is meaningless except for in the interval between upload the the packages being built/publised and it's already marked fix released then anyway | 01:16 |
| wgrant | ScottK: Because Ubuntu didn't use version control. | 01:17 |
| RenatoSilva | if we release the targeted milestone, do all the bugs get status changed to fix released automatically? | 01:17 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: No. | 01:17 |
| wgrant | But there are scripts to do that. | 01:17 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: didn't?? since when? | 01:17 |
| ScottK | wgrant: What's the difference between upstream and shoved in a branch somewhere? | 01:17 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: how to run these scripts | 01:18 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: Download and run them. I don't know where they live. | 01:18 |
| RenatoSilva | Triaged: the bug supervisor considers that the bug report contains all information a developer needs to start work on a fix. | 01:18 |
| RenatoSilva | Confirmed: a member of the community other than the original reporter believes that this report describes a genuine bug in enough detail that a developer could start work on a fix. | 01:18 |
| RenatoSilva | ^^^ these are the same to me | 01:18 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: ok | 01:18 |
| wgrant | ScottK: If it's in the Ubuntu branch, it's going to be in the next published version. | 01:18 |
| ScottK | RenatoSilva: Confirmed means the bug exists. Triaged means you probably know how to fix it. | 01:19 |
| ScottK | wgrant: Once we're doing bzr for real, in the Ubuntu branch will be the same as after you upload now. | 01:20 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: confirmed - his report describes a genuine bug in enough detail that a developer could start work on a fix. | 01:20 |
| RenatoSilva | ScottK: ^^^ | 01:20 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: sorry was for ScottK | 01:20 |
| wgrant | ScottK: It will, but there will probably be intermediate commits. | 01:20 |
| ScottK | wgrant: Not in the Ubuntu branch, if I understand it correctly. | 01:20 |
| ScottK | It'll be to other places for review. | 01:21 |
| ScottK | Gotta run. | 01:21 |
| RenatoSilva | ScottK: now I see the diff, triaged is the same as confirmed, but done by bug supervisor, not a regular user | 01:21 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: Pretty much. | 01:21 |
| RenatoSilva | I still don't see much sense in opening some status for all users | 01:22 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: I set my bugs to Fix Committed when my Launchpad branches are merged. | 01:22 |
| wgrant | I have no special powers over Launchpad. | 01:22 |
| wgrant | But I need to do it. | 01:22 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: the bugs you opened? I think it's the developers' work | 01:23 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: No, the bugs I fixed. | 01:23 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: ok then, but I mean, most or all status of the bugs should be controlled only by the team of the targeted projects | 01:24 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: Why? Is this actually causing a problem? | 01:25 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: maybe you created a personal branch that fixes the bug, but it's not fixed in trunk, so you should not change the status yet, the problem is that you can, and that's weird | 01:25 |
| wgrant | Occasionally some random does something wrong. You just beat them over the head and they don't do it again. | 01:25 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: it's non-sense | 01:25 |
| wgrant | What is? | 01:25 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: it this by any chance meant to give the users to work on status updating? | 01:26 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: and set the developers free from this "boring" or secundary task? | 01:26 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: let the users control bug status is non-sense | 01:26 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: For larger projects, that is absolutely critical. | 01:26 |
| wgrant | Why is it nonsense? | 01:26 |
| wgrant | As long as they don't do anything bad, it can only be good. | 01:27 |
| RenatoSilva | who knows the status is who is fixing it | 01:27 |
| RenatoSilva | working on it | 01:27 |
| wgrant | There are several statuses involved before anybody starts fixing anything. | 01:27 |
| RenatoSilva | not who is waiting for a solution, not "every user in LP" | 01:27 |
| wgrant | Does this actually cause a signifiant problem? | 01:28 |
| wgrant | It does provide significant benefits, and I'm not sure it's actually a big problem. | 01:28 |
| RenatoSilva | maybe no, this doesn't give sense to it at all though | 01:29 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: what are the benefits, have users working on the status, not the devs? | 01:29 |
| wgrant | Why limit something beneficial if it's not causing problems? | 01:29 |
| RenatoSilva | what are the benefits | 01:29 |
| wgrant | RenatoSilva: Interested users can help with triaging bugs. | 01:30 |
| RenatoSilva | can't see | 01:30 |
| wgrant | And take load off developers. | 01:30 |
| RenatoSilva | wgrant: ok, so I could ask a friend to do that :P | 01:30 |
| wgrant | It helps tremendously in Ubuntu. | 01:30 |
| RenatoSilva | I understand it wgrant, hopefully there's no vandalism | 01:31 |
| wgrant | Again, if there is vandalism then it's easy enough to revert and either educate or ban the offender. | 01:31 |
| RenatoSilva | ok wgrant, thanks for explaining, it really makes sense now. For large projects at least | 01:32 |
| RenatoSilva | so, I won't use confirmed anymore on the bugs assigned to me. | 01:33 |
| RenatoSilva | thanks everybody :) | 01:36 |
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| juliux | hi | 11:10 |
| juliux | can somebody help me with this error? | 11:11 |
| juliux | can somebody help me with this error? Rejected: | 11:11 |
| juliux | File perlbal_1.72-1-ubuntu1.tar.gz already exists in test, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors. | 11:11 |
| juliux | Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification. | 11:11 |
| thekorn | juliux: you can't upload the same version of a package twice to a PPA | 11:18 |
| thekorn | juliux: you should also always append something like ~ppa1 to the package version of a package in a PPA | 11:19 |
| thekorn | and then you can just increase ~ppa... if you need to upload a new version | 11:20 |
| maxb | A couple of general guidelines for version numbers: | 11:23 |
| maxb | Try to avoid ones which look like they could be official Ubuntu packages | 11:23 |
| maxb | And, it's seldom the right thing to do to have more than one '-' in a version | 11:23 |
| maxb | Be aware of the special meaning of '~' | 11:24 |
| SiDi | Whats the magic word to prevent +filebug/ to redirect me, please ? | 11:24 |
| maxb | And always consider whether you should be appending ppa1 or ~ppa1 depending on what the version relationship to the base is | 11:24 |
| maxb | SiDi: ?no-redirect | 11:24 |
| SiDi | Thanks maxb | 11:25 |
| juliux | thekorn: thxs | 11:46 |
| juliux | maxb: thxs | 11:46 |
| maxb | juliux: No problem. Did you really mean to have two - characters in that version? | 11:47 |
| juliux | maxb: not realy | 11:47 |
| yann2 | hi | 12:17 |
| yann2 | I wanted to ask: why is launchpad not managed more on launchpad? as far as I understand it is here | 12:17 |
| yann2 | https://dev.launchpad.net/ | 12:17 |
| yann2 | but to navigate the sourcecode, it doesnt use tlaunchpads browser | 12:18 |
| yann2 | the faq doesnt use answers | 12:18 |
| yann2 | any specific reason? :) | 12:18 |
| yann2 | I am also unable to find where I can report a bug for Ubuntu on the new launchpad, which is quite irritating, any help much appreciated :( | 12:28 |
| RenatoSilva | why do we need a translation group for managing translations? why can't we create a team and assing to that team the management? | 12:41 |
| henninge | RenatoSilva: The idea is that you have a team per language and all these teams are managed by the translation group. | 13:10 |
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| henninge | RenatoSilva: Please talk to Adi Roiban about the exiting Launchpad Translation Group instead of setting up your own. | 13:11 |
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| RenatoSilva | henninge: I want to create my own team with people I trust. I don't want to automatically trust in generic "lang-xyz translations" | 13:11 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: I don't want to set up a translation group, well actually I want, because it's one group per language | 13:12 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: can't understand why can't we create our trusted groups though | 13:12 |
| henninge-afk | RenatoSilva: Your "trusted groups" per language are teams that you can setup yourself. | 13:13 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: someone changed the translation in my project a few hours ago, but the strings were already translated. I reverted the translation and unset the group for avoiding it | 13:14 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: and how to asssing the team to a .po? | 13:14 |
| henninge-afk | RenatoSilva: We can setup a translation group and make you the owner. | 13:15 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: there are only groups to set | 13:15 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: that's what I mean, it should be open to anyone | 13:15 |
| henninge-afk | RenatoSilva: I have to run out now. Please file a question here https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta | 13:15 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: if I have to ask you, then I won't do, because I don't need it that much | 13:15 |
| henninge-afk | and we will create the group | 13:16 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge-afk: bye | 13:16 |
| RenatoSilva | thanks | 13:16 |
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| arianit | hello, can I translate OpenOffice downstream directly? | 13:24 |
| arianit | in lp | 13:25 |
| arianit | anyone? | 13:28 |
| arianit | can I translate OpenOffice downstream directly? | 13:35 |
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| henninge | arianit: please translate OpenOffice upstream | 13:41 |
| henninge | arianit: only Ubuntu-specific adaptions would be done in Launchpad | 13:41 |
| arianit | henninge, lp is so much better and that's where the community is. we can always push it upstream and sun guys are taking time to set it up | 13:42 |
| henninge | arianit: IF you make sure the translations get submitted back upstream you COULD use Launchpad, I guess. | 13:43 |
| henninge | arianit: but you should still coordinate with the i10n team at OpenOffice.org so that they know about it. | 13:44 |
| henninge | Nah, make that "COULD" a "can" ... ;-) | 13:45 |
| arianit | henninge, sure | 13:45 |
| henninge | arianit: that is for a specific language that OpenOffice is not yet translated into, right? | 13:45 |
| arianit | the only problem is I can't find OOo packages at OOo | 13:45 |
| arianit | henninge: correct | 13:46 |
| arianit | correction, at ubuntu | 13:46 |
| henninge | OpenOffice has *a lot* of packages in Ubuntu ... | 13:47 |
| henninge | arianit: but if you want to do what we just talked about, you should use this project to do the translation: | 13:48 |
| henninge | https://translations.launchpad.net/openoffice | 13:48 |
| henninge | arianit: 1. Do translations there in LP, 2. Submit the po files back upsteam 3. wait for them to make their way back into Ubuntu. | 13:49 |
| arianit | how do I know which ones are OpenOffice | 13:49 |
| henninge | arianit: what do you mean? | 13:50 |
| arianit | yes, so I have to talk to Chris Cheney first | 13:50 |
| arianit | I wanted to translate OOo in Ubuntu | 13:50 |
| arianit | that way there is nothing to setup. does it make sense? | 13:51 |
| arianit | it's likely Chris Cheney will say go upstream | 13:51 |
| henninge | arianit: that is likely | 13:56 |
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| Agafonov | Hi! I'm facing https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/331990 in new LP version currently serving at launchpad.net | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331990 in lazr.restful "The inline editor widget reports a JSON error when saving non-ASCII characters" [High,Fix released] | 16:09 |
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| Ursinha | Agafonov, if you're not dealing with non-ascii, maybe your problem is bug 423924? | 17:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423924 in malone "Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924 | 17:28 |
| Agafonov | I'm dealing with cyrillic :) | 17:29 |
| Agafonov | and yes, it appear when I try to update bug description too | 17:31 |
| Ursinha | I see | 17:31 |
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| soc1 | hi | 18:56 |
| soc1 | how can i change my email adress an name on launchpad? | 18:56 |
| soc1 | uh ok, i found where to change my email | 18:58 |
| soc1 | guess i have to delete my ppa to change my name on launchpad? | 18:58 |
| soc1 | hi | 19:05 |
| soc1 | can someone delete my ppa, so that i can rename myself on launchpad? | 19:05 |
| soc1 | can someone help me? | 19:09 |
| ScottK | soc1: You can't delete PPAs. | 19:13 |
| ulysses__ | soc1: you can change your contact address | 19:14 |
| soc1 | yes, but i don't want that "~soc-krg-nw" anymore | 19:14 |
| soc1 | ok, i'll tried create a new account an then merge the old one | 19:16 |
| ulysses__ | you shouldn't | 19:16 |
| soc1 | but the new one complains that the email adress is already used, although i deleted it from the old one | 19:16 |
| ulysses__ | you can change your profile's address somwhere | 19:17 |
| soc1 | yes, i did that | 19:17 |
| soc1 | i removed the email adress i want to use for the new account, but when i want to register, it complains that the adress is alredy used | 19:18 |
| SiDi | Any LP admin around who could please delete https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-artwork-brainstorm ? | 19:19 |
| SiDi | it's been superseded by ~xubuntu-art | 19:19 |
| ScottK | SiDi: I'd suggest asking a question in Launchpad asking for it to be removed | 19:21 |
| SiDi | ScottK: hehe, i was just hoping for an admin to be around because i'm so lazy :d | 19:22 |
| ScottK | !weekend | 19:22 |
| ubottu | It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. | 19:22 |
| SiDi | ah.. didnt cross my mind | 19:22 |
| soc1 | *sigh* merging the old account doesn't work | 19:25 |
| soc1 | it doesn't take my old launchpad id and when i use the old email adress it doesn't report any errors, but i don't get any email to confirm too | 19:25 |
| ulysses__ | however it is weekend, it is BugJam Weekend:) | 19:25 |
| soc1 | damn, i lost my karma :-( | 19:42 |
| soc1 | and member since :-/ | 19:42 |
| RainCT | Hi | 20:11 |
| RainCT | How can I set myself as answer contact for one of my projects for questions in any language? (I'm missing questions and I guess that's because I have only "Catalan" checked in my profile) | 20:11 |
| soc1 | RainCT: maybe check every other language too? (ugly hack) | 20:38 |
| RainCT | soc1: Then I couldn't become answer contact for Ubuntu if I ever decide to be one again (unsubscribed long time ago because I got tired of the messages in languages which have no answer contacts), and dunno if there was some other problem with that | 20:41 |
| nhandler | Is there a way to view all Launchpad teams owned by a certain user/team ? | 20:50 |
| nhandler | Also, is there any way to see all teams that are a subteam of a certain team? | 20:55 |
| Andre_Gondim | nhandler, I think just you looking for all member of the team | 21:01 |
| nhandler | Andre_Gondim: I could go through the member list by hand, but this is somewhat difficult for large teams | 21:01 |
| Andre_Gondim | I know | 21:02 |
| RainCT | nhandler: <stupid answer>the LP API?</stupid answer> | 21:08 |
| nhandler | RainCT: I probably could use the API (although my python isn't that great). I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in the web interface. | 21:08 |
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| ebroder | Is something up with the PPA upload mechanisms? I uploaded something about 5 ago and still haven't gotten an ACCEPTED/REJECTED e-mail, which seems unusually long | 21:55 |
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| Mez | ebroder: 5 whats ago? | 22:14 |
| Mez | minutes? hours? days? weeks? years? | 22:15 |
| ebroder | Minutes. Although more like 20 at this point | 22:17 |
| ScottK | ebroder: When it gets to 5 hours, then maybe something went wrong. | 22:19 |
| Noldorin | hello. is anyone aware of this bug: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84561 ? | 22:20 |
| Ursinha | Noldorin, yes, it's a known bug | 22:29 |
| Noldorin | Ursinha: ah right. do you know what the progress on it is? | 22:30 |
| Ursinha | Noldorin, I'm looking for the bug number, just a moment, please :) | 22:31 |
| Noldorin | sure | 22:31 |
| Ursinha | found it! | 22:33 |
| Ursinha | Noldorin, bug 438985 | 22:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 438985 in malone "Trying to make myself as bug supervisor of my project oopses" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438985 | 22:33 |
| Noldorin | Ursinha: thanks | 22:36 |
| Ursinha | Noldorin, no problem | 22:37 |
| Noldorin | when do you suspect it will be rfixed by. any idea? | 22:38 |
| Ursinha | Noldorin, it's targeted to this cycle, so expect it to be fixed soon | 22:38 |
| Noldorin | ok sounds good | 22:39 |
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