[01:01] What's the purpose of "triaged" and "in progress" bug status? [01:03] I think "in progress" means somebody is working on it [01:04] on a separate branch? so fix committed is when it's in trunk, right? [01:05] I think fix committed just means a fix has been committed somewhere, maybe a branch [01:05] but ICBW [01:05] if you're working on the bug, then you won't have committed the fix yet (otherwise you would be finished working on it) [01:07] Fix Committed is meant to be when it's in trunk, or a series branch, or something similar. Not just that a fix exists. [01:07] In Progress is when somebody is working on it. [01:08] https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses [01:08] that is, there are commits about it, but not the final commit that fixes it [01:08] Except of course for the projects where it doesn't mean that. [01:09] Hence "is meant to be" [01:10] The way Ubuntu does things (particularly with the sponsorship mess) is, IMO, crazy and wrong. [01:11] I read the page, it seems triaged == confirmed [01:12] ScottK: and would mean what then [01:12] Depends on the project [01:12] Triaged implies that somebody qualified has looked at the bug, and it wasn't entirely confirmed by a pack of crazy users. [01:12] For the Ubuntu Backports project "In Progress" means that it's been approved for backporting and is waiting to be processed. [01:13] why open all those status to the users it seems no sense [01:13] RenatoSilva: Users can be developers. [01:13] mainly the fix committed, as not all users have access to the trunk, obviously [01:13] Fix Committed might be upstream. [01:14] can be, but are not always [01:14] upstream [01:14] ? [01:14] ScottK: Ubuntu's use of Fix Committed is an abuse to work around Launchpad limitations. [01:14] It is completely wrong. [01:14] brb [01:15] wgrant: Only to the extent one believes that the developers of Launchpad are better at defining the workflow for distro developers than they are. [01:15] well, I don't see no reason confirmed would be anything different from triagged, from that page [01:15] ScottK: If the fix is upstream, it probably needs work to get it into the distro. [01:15] ScottK: If I see a Fix Committed bug, I am going to ignore it. [01:16] It is going to become much messier once Ubuntu is using bzr. [01:16] Because then Fix Committed will be used for its real meaning. [01:16] wgrant: Sure, but otherwise Fix Committed is meaningless except for in the interval between upload the the packages being built/publised and it's already marked fix released then anyway [01:17] ScottK: Because Ubuntu didn't use version control. [01:17] if we release the targeted milestone, do all the bugs get status changed to fix released automatically? [01:17] RenatoSilva: No. [01:17] But there are scripts to do that. [01:17] wgrant: didn't?? since when? [01:17] wgrant: What's the difference between upstream and shoved in a branch somewhere? [01:18] wgrant: how to run these scripts [01:18] RenatoSilva: Download and run them. I don't know where they live. [01:18] Triaged: the bug supervisor considers that the bug report contains all information a developer needs to start work on a fix. [01:18] Confirmed: a member of the community other than the original reporter believes that this report describes a genuine bug in enough detail that a developer could start work on a fix. [01:18] ^^^ these are the same to me [01:18] wgrant: ok [01:18] ScottK: If it's in the Ubuntu branch, it's going to be in the next published version. [01:19] RenatoSilva: Confirmed means the bug exists. Triaged means you probably know how to fix it. [01:20] wgrant: Once we're doing bzr for real, in the Ubuntu branch will be the same as after you upload now. [01:20] wgrant: confirmed - his report describes a genuine bug in enough detail that a developer could start work on a fix. [01:20] ScottK: ^^^ [01:20] wgrant: sorry was for ScottK [01:20] ScottK: It will, but there will probably be intermediate commits. [01:20] wgrant: Not in the Ubuntu branch, if I understand it correctly. [01:21] It'll be to other places for review. [01:21] Gotta run. [01:21] ScottK: now I see the diff, triaged is the same as confirmed, but done by bug supervisor, not a regular user [01:21] RenatoSilva: Pretty much. [01:22] I still don't see much sense in opening some status for all users [01:22] RenatoSilva: I set my bugs to Fix Committed when my Launchpad branches are merged. [01:22] I have no special powers over Launchpad. [01:22] But I need to do it. [01:23] wgrant: the bugs you opened? I think it's the developers' work [01:23] RenatoSilva: No, the bugs I fixed. [01:24] wgrant: ok then, but I mean, most or all status of the bugs should be controlled only by the team of the targeted projects [01:25] RenatoSilva: Why? Is this actually causing a problem? [01:25] wgrant: maybe you created a personal branch that fixes the bug, but it's not fixed in trunk, so you should not change the status yet, the problem is that you can, and that's weird [01:25] Occasionally some random does something wrong. You just beat them over the head and they don't do it again. [01:25] wgrant: it's non-sense [01:25] What is? [01:26] wgrant: it this by any chance meant to give the users to work on status updating? [01:26] wgrant: and set the developers free from this "boring" or secundary task? [01:26] wgrant: let the users control bug status is non-sense [01:26] RenatoSilva: For larger projects, that is absolutely critical. [01:26] Why is it nonsense? [01:27] As long as they don't do anything bad, it can only be good. [01:27] who knows the status is who is fixing it [01:27] working on it [01:27] There are several statuses involved before anybody starts fixing anything. [01:27] not who is waiting for a solution, not "every user in LP" [01:28] Does this actually cause a signifiant problem? [01:28] It does provide significant benefits, and I'm not sure it's actually a big problem. [01:29] maybe no, this doesn't give sense to it at all though [01:29] wgrant: what are the benefits, have users working on the status, not the devs? [01:29] Why limit something beneficial if it's not causing problems? [01:29] what are the benefits [01:30] RenatoSilva: Interested users can help with triaging bugs. [01:30] can't see [01:30] And take load off developers. [01:30] wgrant: ok, so I could ask a friend to do that :P [01:30] It helps tremendously in Ubuntu. [01:31] I understand it wgrant, hopefully there's no vandalism [01:31] Again, if there is vandalism then it's easy enough to revert and either educate or ban the offender. [01:32] ok wgrant, thanks for explaining, it really makes sense now. For large projects at least [01:33] so, I won't use confirmed anymore on the bugs assigned to me. [01:36] thanks everybody :) === sayakb|zZz is now known as sayakb === LarstiQ_ is now known as LarstiQ [11:10] hi [11:11] can somebody help me with this error? [11:11] can somebody help me with this error? Rejected: [11:11] File perlbal_1.72-1-ubuntu1.tar.gz already exists in test, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors. [11:11] Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification. [11:18] juliux: you can't upload the same version of a package twice to a PPA [11:19] juliux: you should also always append something like ~ppa1 to the package version of a package in a PPA [11:20] and then you can just increase ~ppa... if you need to upload a new version [11:23] A couple of general guidelines for version numbers: [11:23] Try to avoid ones which look like they could be official Ubuntu packages [11:23] And, it's seldom the right thing to do to have more than one '-' in a version [11:24] Be aware of the special meaning of '~' [11:24] Whats the magic word to prevent +filebug/ to redirect me, please ? [11:24] And always consider whether you should be appending ppa1 or ~ppa1 depending on what the version relationship to the base is [11:24] SiDi: ?no-redirect [11:25] Thanks maxb [11:46] thekorn: thxs [11:46] maxb: thxs [11:47] juliux: No problem. Did you really mean to have two - characters in that version? [11:47] maxb: not realy [12:17] hi [12:17] I wanted to ask: why is launchpad not managed more on launchpad? as far as I understand it is here [12:17] https://dev.launchpad.net/ [12:18] but to navigate the sourcecode, it doesnt use tlaunchpads browser [12:18] the faq doesnt use answers [12:18] any specific reason? :) [12:28] I am also unable to find where I can report a bug for Ubuntu on the new launchpad, which is quite irritating, any help much appreciated :( [12:41] why do we need a translation group for managing translations? why can't we create a team and assing to that team the management? [13:10] RenatoSilva: The idea is that you have a team per language and all these teams are managed by the translation group. === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb [13:11] RenatoSilva: Please talk to Adi Roiban about the exiting Launchpad Translation Group instead of setting up your own. === henninge is now known as henninge-afk [13:11] henninge: I want to create my own team with people I trust. I don't want to automatically trust in generic "lang-xyz translations" [13:12] henninge-afk: I don't want to set up a translation group, well actually I want, because it's one group per language [13:12] henninge-afk: can't understand why can't we create our trusted groups though [13:13] RenatoSilva: Your "trusted groups" per language are teams that you can setup yourself. [13:14] henninge-afk: someone changed the translation in my project a few hours ago, but the strings were already translated. I reverted the translation and unset the group for avoiding it [13:14] henninge-afk: and how to asssing the team to a .po? [13:15] RenatoSilva: We can setup a translation group and make you the owner. [13:15] henninge-afk: there are only groups to set [13:15] henninge-afk: that's what I mean, it should be open to anyone [13:15] RenatoSilva: I have to run out now. Please file a question here https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta [13:15] henninge-afk: if I have to ask you, then I won't do, because I don't need it that much [13:16] and we will create the group [13:16] henninge-afk: bye [13:16] thanks === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb [13:24] hello, can I translate OpenOffice downstream directly? [13:25] in lp [13:28] anyone? [13:35] can I translate OpenOffice downstream directly? === henninge-afk is now known as henninge [13:41] arianit: please translate OpenOffice upstream [13:41] arianit: only Ubuntu-specific adaptions would be done in Launchpad [13:42] henninge, lp is so much better and that's where the community is. we can always push it upstream and sun guys are taking time to set it up [13:43] arianit: IF you make sure the translations get submitted back upstream you COULD use Launchpad, I guess. [13:44] arianit: but you should still coordinate with the i10n team at OpenOffice.org so that they know about it. [13:45] Nah, make that "COULD" a "can" ... ;-) [13:45] henninge, sure [13:45] arianit: that is for a specific language that OpenOffice is not yet translated into, right? [13:45] the only problem is I can't find OOo packages at OOo [13:46] henninge: correct [13:46] correction, at ubuntu [13:47] OpenOffice has *a lot* of packages in Ubuntu ... [13:48] arianit: but if you want to do what we just talked about, you should use this project to do the translation: [13:48] https://translations.launchpad.net/openoffice [13:49] arianit: 1. Do translations there in LP, 2. Submit the po files back upsteam 3. wait for them to make their way back into Ubuntu. [13:49] how do I know which ones are OpenOffice [13:50] arianit: what do you mean? [13:50] yes, so I have to talk to Chris Cheney first [13:50] I wanted to translate OOo in Ubuntu [13:51] that way there is nothing to setup. does it make sense? [13:51] it's likely Chris Cheney will say go upstream [13:56] arianit: that is likely === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb === sayakb is now known as sayakb|afk [16:09] Hi! I'm facing https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/331990 in new LP version currently serving at launchpad.net [16:09] Launchpad bug 331990 in lazr.restful "The inline editor widget reports a JSON error when saving non-ASCII characters" [High,Fix released] === sayakb|afk is now known as sayakb [17:28] Agafonov, if you're not dealing with non-ascii, maybe your problem is bug 423924? [17:28] Launchpad bug 423924 in malone "Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924 [17:29] I'm dealing with cyrillic :) [17:31] and yes, it appear when I try to update bug description too [17:31] I see === sale_ is now known as sale [18:56] hi [18:56] how can i change my email adress an name on launchpad? [18:58] uh ok, i found where to change my email [18:58] guess i have to delete my ppa to change my name on launchpad? [19:05] hi [19:05] can someone delete my ppa, so that i can rename myself on launchpad? [19:09] can someone help me? [19:13] soc1: You can't delete PPAs. [19:14] soc1: you can change your contact address [19:14] yes, but i don't want that "~soc-krg-nw" anymore [19:16] ok, i'll tried create a new account an then merge the old one [19:16] you shouldn't [19:16] but the new one complains that the email adress is already used, although i deleted it from the old one [19:17] you can change your profile's address somwhere [19:17] yes, i did that [19:18] i removed the email adress i want to use for the new account, but when i want to register, it complains that the adress is alredy used [19:19] Any LP admin around who could please delete https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-artwork-brainstorm ? [19:19] it's been superseded by ~xubuntu-art [19:21] SiDi: I'd suggest asking a question in Launchpad asking for it to be removed [19:22] ScottK: hehe, i was just hoping for an admin to be around because i'm so lazy :d [19:22] !weekend [19:22] It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. [19:22] ah.. didnt cross my mind [19:25] *sigh* merging the old account doesn't work [19:25] it doesn't take my old launchpad id and when i use the old email adress it doesn't report any errors, but i don't get any email to confirm too [19:25] however it is weekend, it is BugJam Weekend:) [19:42] damn, i lost my karma :-( [19:42] and member since :-/ [20:11] Hi [20:11] How can I set myself as answer contact for one of my projects for questions in any language? (I'm missing questions and I guess that's because I have only "Catalan" checked in my profile) [20:38] RainCT: maybe check every other language too? (ugly hack) [20:41] soc1: Then I couldn't become answer contact for Ubuntu if I ever decide to be one again (unsubscribed long time ago because I got tired of the messages in languages which have no answer contacts), and dunno if there was some other problem with that [20:50] Is there a way to view all Launchpad teams owned by a certain user/team ? [20:55] Also, is there any way to see all teams that are a subteam of a certain team? [21:01] nhandler, I think just you looking for all member of the team [21:01] Andre_Gondim: I could go through the member list by hand, but this is somewhat difficult for large teams [21:02] I know [21:08] nhandler: the LP API? [21:08] RainCT: I probably could use the API (although my python isn't that great). I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something in the web interface. === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb [21:55] Is something up with the PPA upload mechanisms? I uploaded something about 5 ago and still haven't gotten an ACCEPTED/REJECTED e-mail, which seems unusually long === sayakb_ is now known as sayakb [22:14] ebroder: 5 whats ago? [22:15] minutes? hours? days? weeks? years? [22:17] Minutes. Although more like 20 at this point [22:19] ebroder: When it gets to 5 hours, then maybe something went wrong. [22:20] hello. is anyone aware of this bug: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/84561 ? [22:29] Noldorin, yes, it's a known bug [22:30] Ursinha: ah right. do you know what the progress on it is? [22:31] Noldorin, I'm looking for the bug number, just a moment, please :) [22:31] sure [22:33] found it! [22:33] Noldorin, bug 438985 [22:33] Launchpad bug 438985 in malone "Trying to make myself as bug supervisor of my project oopses" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438985 [22:36] Ursinha: thanks [22:37] Noldorin, no problem [22:38] when do you suspect it will be rfixed by. any idea? [22:38] Noldorin, it's targeted to this cycle, so expect it to be fixed soon [22:39] ok sounds good === yofel_ is now known as yofel