[00:00] <mshooshtari> "Use this connection only for resources on it's network" when checked in the routes section of the vpnc network manager tool for gnome does not stay checked.
[00:00] <Xgates> yeah but Grub2 is beta, I mean HEY as far as other software goes like a spread sheet app, internet programs, etc... BETA is fine, but we're talking a boot loader here that can hose your hdd
[00:00] <yofel> ign0ramus: yes, there were issues with dual booting, iirc the fix was to run os-prober and update-grub again - or to wait for apt to run it again ;)
[00:00] <DopeGhot1> ign0ramus: did/do you ahve os-prober installed? :)
[00:00] <cousteau> ..this png wasn't there before
[00:01] <Xgates> now legacy grub never gave me a problem, but even in it's state, not sure how it compares...
[00:01] <ign0ramus> DopeGhot1, no, i just did an update-grub, and it was detected and displayed upon subsequent reboot
[00:01] <yofel> cousteau: after boot the png is generated from the .tgz archive, that can take a few moments
[00:01] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: even the 'legacy' grub is 'only' at v0.97
[00:02] <Xgates> well it seemed stable...
[00:02] <Xgates> hey does anyone know anything about a Ubuntu package for isight-firmware-tools?
[00:02] <mbeierl> grub "1" is at 0.97, grub 2 is at 1.9 something?
[00:02] <mbeierl> hee hee
[00:02] <ign0ramus> so no one knows why 2.6.31-11-generic drops me into a tty, while 2.6.31-10-generic starts kdm?
[00:03] <Xgates> grub legacy and grub 2 are not the same, so to compare them is apples and oranges :)
[00:03] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: that sounds like you don't have display kernel mods compiled.  are you using nvidia?
[00:03] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, no integrated Intel (which is why i upgraded to Karmic in the first place)
[00:04] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, GM945
[00:04] <Xgates> Ubuntu needs isight-firmware-tools ---->  https://launchpad.net/isight-firmware-tools/
[00:04] <Xgates> hell even Fedora offers it
[00:04] <topyli> i used to like to have a grub password. apparently grub2 doesn't support it :(
[00:04] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: ahg.  sorry - can't help then :(  But check in the tty - log in and do a lsmod and compare it to -10 - same mods loaded?  does intel compile as a mod?
[00:05] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, that's a good idea... i have not checked that yet. thanks :)
[00:05] <Xgates> ahh my bad it says it's in Mulitverse:   http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/isight-firmware-tools
[00:05] <cousteau> ok, I made a bootchart, now I should interpret it
[00:06] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, a simple "sudo kdm" gets things rolling again, but kdm does not start automatically in -11
[00:06] <DopeGhot1> topyli: actually, it does
[00:06] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: oh.  well there goes that theory.  sorry - I'll shout out if I have any more wonderful ideas ...
[00:07] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, np... thanks. i need some thinking minds. mine's borked for the evening :)
[00:07] <yofel> ign0ramus: let me check on my 945GME, have to reboot anyway
[00:07] <ign0ramus> yofel, cool. i'll hang here
[00:08] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, if it helps, this kernel was seemingly brought in when i enabled backports, and now apt wants me to remove -10
[00:08] <DopeGhot1> topyli: http://grub.enbug.org/Authentication
[00:08] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: apt sees that you're up to -11 and so -10 is "no longer needed" I think
[00:09] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: -11 came out not too long ago
[00:09] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: like within 2-3 days?
[00:09] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, yeah, but i don't recall apt asking to uninstall older kernels. heck, i had 8 or so just a few months ago, and apt never complained :)
[00:09] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, yeah, about 3-4 days ago is when it was installed
[00:10] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: I think that's part of an overall "don't keep deprecated kernels around cluttering up filesystems" approach, but that's just my interpretation
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: did you reset video settings to failsafe?
[00:11] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, i understand that, but 1) -10 is not deprecated by any means, and 2) i've never been prompted to autoremove kernels
[00:11] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, no, but that's interesting you say that...
[00:11] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, in the new kernel, if i do a "startx" instead of "sudo kdm", it loads Failsafe Gnome...
[00:11] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: oh - right - I do still have -10 here and not been prompted to remove it
[00:12] <ign0ramus> mbeierl, do you have backports installed?
[00:13] <mbeierl> ign0ramus: yep - deb http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu/ karmic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[00:14] <mbeierl> but not partner
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: try using the vesa video driver, see if it boots smooth
[00:14] <yofel> ign0ramus: works fine here... any errors when trying 'sudo start kdm' from tty?
[00:14] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, reconfigure xorg?
[00:15] <Xgates> say after I hit enter at the Grub menu to boot the kernel I get the cosole screen for a few seconds spitting out a few msgs, about ssb and some usb stuff and I'm wondering is there a way to disable seeing kernel msgs and just have it go straight from the Grub menu to the Ubuntu loadig screen?
[00:15] <ign0ramus> yofel, i just use "sudo kdm", and it loads immediately. I did not try "start" or any daemons
[00:15] <Xgates> I thought 'quiet' in grub was suppose to do that....
[00:15] <Xgates> I get the cosole/console screen
[00:15] <yofel> ign0ramus: kdm is usually started as a system daemon, maybe that fails
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: try adding a 'vga' paramater to the kernel line; that'll blank the screen 'till a framebubber and/or X starts :)
[00:16] <Xgates> ahhh
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> (mainly because the 'vga' paramater is broken; it's supposed to allow a higher-resolution tty console
[00:16] <ign0ramus> yofel, that could be it... what log would that be in?
[00:16] <DopeGhot1> but it usually breaks 'em
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: boot to root recovery mode, then edit it xorg.conf with nano to set the driver to vesa
[00:16] <yofel> ign0ramus: don't know sry
[00:16] <Xgates> I know how they are in lilo but in Grub I don't know them, any URL or idea how to write it?
[00:17] <ign0ramus> yofel, np, i'll look it up :)
[00:17] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: you using GRUB of GRUB-PC?
[00:17] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, that could be it... i have a large display entry from Jaunty because intel graphics regressions...
[00:17] <Xgates> grub-pc? huh?
[00:17] <yofel> Xgates: grub or grub2?
[00:17] <Xgates> I just installed Karmic from a clean install, so grub2
[00:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, whaddya think... back up old xorg and try with a blank section?
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: Grub-pc is the real name of what we're calling grub2
[00:18] <Xgates> lol
[00:18] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, or do i even need a xorg entry at all any more?
[00:18] <Xgates> I was like grub-pc what the heck, hehe
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: see: apt-cache show grub2
[00:18] <yofel> ign0ramus: you could try to move your xorg.conf somewhere else, karmi X doesn't need one if you use the default settings
[00:18] <DopeGhot1> specifically the Depends and Description lines
[00:19] <Xgates> k
[00:19] <ign0ramus> yofel, i think that's what I'm going to do now.
[00:19] <ign0ramus> thanks guys, i'll check in later.
[00:20] <Xgates> ahh yeah same thing as lilo ---> vga=792
[00:20] <Xgates> but I thought the vga parm breaks grub2?
[00:20] <Xgates> or didn't you just say that?
[00:21] <DopeGhot1> it doesn't break grub, it breaks the ttys (sometimes)
[00:21] <DopeGhot1> so you'll get a blank, black screen until xsplash starts
[00:22] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: ---> http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html
[00:22] <Xgates> according to this you write it different...
[00:23] <Xgates>     the line to change into the /etc/default/grub file is GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800 and then issuing update-grub. The resulting action is to write the line set gfxmode=1280x800 into the grub.cfg file."
[00:23] <joaopinto> was apport disabled on beta ?
[00:23] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yofel: it seems my xorg.conf was the culprit :)
[00:23] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, yofel: moved xorg.conf to Desktop, rebooted into the new -11 kernel, smooth boot directly to kdm.
[00:23] <yofel> ign0ramus: :)
[00:24] <yofel> joaopinto: not that I know of, it's still activated here
[00:24] <ign0ramus> yofel, now to see if a flash video is watchable (that's why i had a heavily modified xorg.conf in the first place)
[00:24] <joaopinto> strange, empathy should be crashing and i got no dialog
[00:24] <ActionParsnip> ign0ramus: no X server at boot usually means bad xorg.conf, swtch to vesa then test. If its stil bad then try other stuff
[00:25] <braindev> alright, first boot with 9.10 and intel 855GM ... throws drm rendering error, but boots up fine
[00:25] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip, as usual, you were right :)
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> im not always right but i like to help
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> braindev: did you verify the install CD?
[00:26] <Elone> how do i modify "Place" and Desktop harddrive icon
[00:26] <Elone> i have a few partition wanna hide
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> Elone: you can set them in gconf I think
[00:26] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: did you see that URL?
[00:27] <braindev> yes i did, but for some reason my cd-writer makes too many errors. i have not had valid cds for the past 2-3 months. dont ask me how this comes
[00:27] <Lars_G> do we have a new beta? shitload of updates today :)
[00:27]  * Xgates is getting a 134MB of updates
[00:27] <Xgates> yea a lot...
[00:27] <Elone> ActionParsnip,  gconf? no such file ; ; ~ details plz?
[00:27] <Xgates> even the kernel is updated....
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: alt+f2   gconf-editor
[00:28] <yofel> Lars_G: that are all the updates that were held back due to beta freeze (to get all the dependencies right in the repository) ;)
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: if you write in full sentances its really helpful
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> Elone: you are not charged by the character
[00:28] <Lars_G> yofel: Well I'm a happy camper
[00:29] <Lars_G> I hope some of my gripes get cleaned on this
[00:29] <Lars_G> :)
[00:29] <Lars_G> Anyhow lots of updates always make me squee
[00:29] <braindev> ActionParsnip: are there known bugs due to download or cd burning errors?
[00:29] <braindev> revoke that
[00:29] <test34> Can I un-encrypt my partition ?
[00:29] <braindev> this even confuses me
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> braindev: yes if the image gets corrupted in transport, thats why MD5sums exists as well as the CD having a self tester
[00:30] <ActionParsnip> !md5 | braindev
[00:30]  * Lars_G negates test34's question
[00:30] <Lars_G> can I encrypt a home directory on an already working machine?
[00:30] <test34> It says I have 421gb free on a 75gb drive (using $ df -h)
[00:30] <Lars_G>  /home is under same partition as /
[00:31] <Lars_G> test34: is your drive tradis brand?
[00:31] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: the home partition would have to be on its own partition
[00:31] <Lars_G> hmmm
[00:31] <braindev> ActionParsnip: i know about that... I am using ubuntu 8.04 for downloading and k3b for writing the cd
[00:31] <Lars_G> ActionParsnip: I could parted down my ext3 some, make a new partition, copy stuff there, and then remove home and mount....
[00:32] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, yes, you can easily make /home/ it's own partition
[00:32] <test34> Lars_G, no, it is a Western Digital Raptor 74GB
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> braindev: if the ISO checks out then burning and booting will be a lot smoother
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> Lars_G: i guess, backup your data first incase
[00:33] <Lars_G> But, thing is I HATE /home on separate partitions
[00:33]  * Lars_G sighs
[00:33] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, makes upgrading much easier :)
[00:33] <test34> Lars_G, why? it's great
[00:33] <Lars_G> because my needs balance, if I give home most of the hdd, eventually I have a spurt of installing stuff and / starves
[00:33] <braindev> @ActionParsnip: K3B shows that the MD5 sum is correct, but it showed a verification error. (it always does for a few months for some reason)
[00:33] <Lars_G> and if I do it the other way, and get a lot of data, /home starves down
[00:33] <Lars_G> :(
[00:34]  * Lars_G sighs
[00:34] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, either you're keeping too much, or an HDD upgrade is in order ;)
[00:34] <Lars_G> I might end up doing it anyhow
[00:34] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: It's a new machine, and I'm sharing it with it's windows install, which I use 2 minutes every 2 months
[00:34] <Lars_G> a netbook
[00:34] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, ah... that would do it :(
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, SSD or SATA?
[00:35] <Lars_G> sata
[00:35] <Lars_G> I might downsize windows part a tad bit
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, so you have at least 100+GB, right?
[00:35] <Lars_G> right
[00:35] <Amaranth> ign0ramus: SSD or HDD :)
[00:35] <Lars_G> Right now I use 13Gb on my whole linux partition
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, which version of windows are you using?
[00:35] <Amaranth> I guarantee a SSD is using SATA :P
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Amaranth, you are right, but you know what i meant :P
[00:36] <Lars_G> I think I'll give / 25 Gb and the rest of the 81 to /home
[00:36] <Amaranth> yay compiz is going to handle resolution changes properly soon
[00:36] <Amaranth> starting with karmic people won't have to turn compiz off before giving a presentation
[00:36] <ActionParsnip> braindev: not sure a verification is good. if you run (in terminal): md5sum <the iso file you have>
[00:36] <thiebaude> Amaranth, cool
[00:36] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: If I do repartition, is there an Ubuntish guide to home partition encripting?
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, Win7 runs smoothly but needs like 17GB for an install. Keep XP if you're dual booting
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[00:37] <XiXaQ> I've just installed karmic beta. I'm having some big problems with nm-applet. It doesn't let me configure my network interface. Am I right that the network connections are stored in gconf /system/networking/connections?
[00:37] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: this machine came with XP blessedly, smaller than win 7 or vista, and I'll keep that since it's a legal license
[00:37] <Lars_G> I am NOT buying a MS license, for this machine or any other
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, good idea. i keep my xp for my crappy printer and for rosetta stone, and nothing else
[00:37] <Lars_G> There is only 2 MS programs which I consider they've done correctly. no more
[00:38] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: I mainly keep my XP for the very odd windows only program, and Symbian's SDK
[00:38] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, what are the 2?
[00:38] <XiXaQ> and can someone please confirm or deny that the connection dialog in nm-applet in karmic doesn't work?
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> braindev: you can then compare it to these: http://es.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/MD5SUMS
[00:38] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Windows Server 2000 and Office 2003
[00:38] <braindev> ActionParsnip: K3B calculated the ISOs MD5 sum just like your console hint. This one is correct and the same as on the site. After writing the CD K3B said there was a verification when comparing the CD to the ISO image.
[00:38] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, fair enough.
[00:39] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: On the usseable I conssider XP, on the bad I count w2k3 (sbs schema), and MS-SQL, on the horrible pits of hell gnawing at out reality there's office 2007 and exchange
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> braindev: then the burn was bad, try again. burn as slow as you are allowed
[00:40] <Lars_G> ActionParsnip: as-slow-as can sometimes overburn as well
[00:40] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, haha... that is one reason i hate my job
[00:40] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: I'm IT, you tell it to me.
[00:40] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, :)
[00:40] <braindev> ActionParsnip: i cant go below 4x and i did. This is a good plextor writer, but i think it is time for a new one...
[00:40] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Thankfully we have a guy who does windows stuff now, I only handle *nix systems
[00:41] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, nice!
[00:41] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: Yeah but I have a legacy Red Hat 6.2 machine so it's not all roses
[00:41] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, RHEL?
[00:41] <Lars_G> thank gods I could get rid of the Solaris 6 radius in favor of a ubuntu LTS radius.
[00:41] <pwnguin> rhel is only up to 5.4
[00:41] <ign0ramus> pwnguin, thanks, didn't know :)
[00:41] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: No, Red Hat 6.2, before RHEL
[00:42] <Lars_G> this runs kernel 2.2
[00:42] <ign0ramus> lol
[00:42] <Lars_G> ipchains
[00:42] <Lars_G> and apache 1
[00:42] <Lars_G> at least 1.3
[00:42] <XiXaQ> Error editing connection: property '%s' / '%s' invalid: %d NMSettingWireless <-- That's not good. I get that when adding a new wireless network. Can someone please check that?
[00:42] <pwnguin> rh 6.2 is ancient, hence the term "legacy machine"
[00:42] <Lars_G> had to patch and compile that one by hand, but I digress
[00:42] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, O_o
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> braindev: i'd try reburning. close all other apps to reduce issues
[00:43] <Lars_G> I like compiling (and writting) code, but the LAMP stack has always been a shitload to compile
[00:43] <Lars_G> did I ask if there's a ubuntuish manner guide to /home encryption already?
[00:43] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, yeah. http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[00:43] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: danke
[00:44] <XiXaQ> is anyone here interested in Ubuntu Karmic?
[00:44] <Lars_G> Ah shit, my yakuake is still broken
[00:44]  * Lars_G whines
[00:44] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, it's old, but it's just creating a mountpoint, copying files, etc
[00:44] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, i sure am
[00:44] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: your irony is wasted
[00:44] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i use wicd, so i am sorry i cannot help you.
[00:44] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i can report that it is working fantasically, though :)
[00:44] <yofel> Xgates: I use kde, and can't test it
[00:44] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: do you agree that the default install of Ubuntu should be able to connect to the internet?
[00:45] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: mine is
[00:45] <braindev> ActionParsnip: i even did a reboot since i know about this. I have downloaded from the following site and have compared the MD5 with the MD5SUMS file ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:45] <XiXaQ> someone has to have network manager installed?
[00:45] <Xgates> yofel: oh you mean for Synaptic?
[00:45] <test34> xixaq trolling
[00:45] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, i'am not sure
[00:45] <yofel> Xgates: sry, I meant XiXaQ
[00:45] <Xgates> k
[00:45] <yofel> Xgates: X <tab> got me ;)
[00:46] <Xgates> DopeGhot1: did you see the URL I posted on Grub2 for the vga parm?
[00:46] <Xgates> yofel: hehe
[00:47] <XiXaQ> test34: I'm not trolling. I really do think it's important that users can connect to the internet. And the stuff I had to do to connect here, was not particularly easy. Networking seems completely broken from my pov.
[00:47] <DopeGhot1> Xgates: yes, I did, but I haven't had time to read it yet; minor fire to put out at work :)
[00:47] <DopeGhot1> (not literal fire)
[00:47] <Xgates> ahhh wheew I was like fire, ahhhhh
[00:47] <Xgates> :)
[00:48] <ign0ramus> XiXaQ, i actually agree with you, but unfortunately nm has never worked well for me, and so i install wicd on every new version.
[00:48] <test34> XiXaQ, ok, sorry.. I was also saying it for that: "<XiXaQ> is anyone here interested in Ubuntu Karmic?"
[00:48] <Lars_G> ign0ramus: that's just the move which I know how to do, what about the encripting part? I don't want to do this by hand or an extraneous way, since if ubuntu has config/scripts I can hook in I want to use those so I can update efortlessly
[00:48] <XiXaQ> I didn't know that the scripts in /etc/init.d had been deprecated either. It made things even more complicated than they had to be.
[00:48] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: yeah it seems we're using upstart now, I still havent familiarized myself with it either
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> XiXaQ: bum can help you config them
[00:49] <XiXaQ> test34: because everyone was discussing redhat and windows xp. It's frustrating when you're trying to help confirm a bug on ubuntu.
[00:49] <thiebaude> i still get a blank dark screen on startup
[00:49] <ign0ramus> Lars_G, ah, my mistake... i haven't messed with the encyrption options. maybe someone else will be a better resource
[00:49] <XiXaQ> service doesn't work either, so just restarting the network was a pain.
[00:50] <thiebaude> XiXaQ, did you get your karmic updates today?
[00:50] <Lars_G> thiebaude: try to go to console (ctrl-alt-f1) and see if you have video
[00:50] <thiebaude> Lars_G, ok
[00:52] <Lars_G> thiebaude: did it work?
[00:52] <thiebaude> Lars_G, that was a bad trip
[00:52] <Lars_G> ?
[00:53] <scyx> hi, does anyone have experience in how to set up a jaunty and karmic beta dual-boot?
[00:53] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: I downloaded the beta iso today and did a compleyely fresh install. And there haven't been any updates to nm since then.
[00:53] <thiebaude> Lars_G, no it messed up like the old intel rgressions and restarted
[00:53] <Lars_G> hmmm
[00:53] <Lars_G> is it a laptop?
[00:53] <XiXaQ> I'm downloading upgrades as we speak, though, so that might solve some of the other issues.
[00:54] <test34> XiXaQ, there wasnt any updates for me either (fresh beta install also).  Your networking is wifi?
[00:54] <thiebaude> i better check if there are more updates, but as of now 9.10 takes much longer to boot than 9.04
[00:54] <XiXaQ> test34: yes. eth0 works nicely. At least after I configured it manually.
[00:54] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: and does the wireless card show up in an ifconfig -a ?
[00:55] <XiXaQ> thiebaude: really? It was lightning fast here. It rebooted faster than my coffeemaker. :)
[00:55] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: yes, it's working perfectly. It's the dialog that won't let you configure it manually. It "pretends" to have saved the config, but hasn't. If I create a new network, I get the error message i pasted above.
[00:55] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: do you have any kde elements installed?
[00:56] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: no, this is a clean ubuntu install.
[00:56] <Lars_G> if so, you could get and try kde's networkmanager UI to test wether the error is on the UI or the backend
[00:56] <Lars_G> hmmm ok
[00:56] <XiXaQ> seems to be the gui.
[00:56] <braindev> ActionParsnip: K3B wont read the CD on my computer from the very beginning. But it installed fine on my laptop ... WTF? I tried it using my plextor writer as well as my dvd
[00:57] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I would prefer to confirm it by configuring it without any tools, completely manually, but I don't know how. I think it's stored in gconf /system/networking/connections, but I don't know how to add the other information there.
[00:58] <Lars_G> afaik gconf will only store the GUI's conf
[00:59] <Lars_G> googling
[00:59] <Lars_G> your'e right
[00:59] <Lars_G> it's on gconf
[00:59] <thiebaude> bbl i got more updates, and yay a chrome update of 11mb
[00:59] <Lars_G> thiebaude: I update chrome every few minutes
[00:59] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I found my network there though. But it's configured for dhcp, and I need to configure it manually.
[00:59] <Xgates> darn when I try to do an update I get an error msg: ---> InstallArchives() failed....
[00:59] <Xgates> so now what?
[00:59] <test34> the mirror I was using didnt have any updates, but this one does.
[00:59] <thiebaude> Lars_G, chrome works perfectly i can what any videos and listen to audio
[01:00] <Lars_G> thiebaude: yep, for me too, I use it as my main browser now
[01:00] <thiebaude> Lars_G, i wish ubuntu would set it as default
[01:01] <thiebaude> Lars_G, how do you get chrome updates every few minutes?
[01:01] <Lars_G> thiebaude: it's ok for us, but it's still too beta for people at larfe
[01:01] <Lars_G> thiebaude: I altered a script and cron-ed it
[01:01] <scyx> thinking about setting up a dualboot with jaunty and karmic beta.. when/before installing karmic, what do i have to consider concerning grub2 etc?
[01:01] <thiebaude> Lars_G, i predict chrome will be final by the year end
[01:02] <Amaranth> chromium is still very much alpha quality (it breaks at least once a week) and doesn't integrate into the desktop well
[01:02] <mbeierl> anyone know why ubuntu-desktop is kept back?
[01:02] <Xgates> anyone got a clue?
[01:03] <Amaranth> mbeierl: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will tell you
[01:03] <yofel> scyx: I don't have any expirience in dual booting ubuntu but you might want to read the grub2 wiki first
[01:03] <yofel> !grub2 | scyx
[01:03] <Xgates> I saw this online: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335065
[01:03] <Amaranth> Xgates: not enough information
[01:03] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Ok you found your connection in system->networking->connections right?
[01:03] <Xgates> Amaranth: huh?
[01:03] <Amaranth> Xgates: Telling us it says "InstallArchives() failed" is worthless, there needs to be more information
[01:04] <Xgates> that's all it tells me
[01:04] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: right. But I don't know how a static configuration is supposed to look like there.
[01:04] <mbeierl> Amaranth: thanks - it decided to do the upgrade.  dist-upgrade kept it back... don't know why
[01:04] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Yeah I'm trying to see if I have or can create any static 802.11 one to tell you
[01:04] <Amaranth> Xgates: Well then the best we can do is guess
[01:04] <Amaranth> mbeierl: What did it have to do to get ubuntu-desktop upgraded?
[01:05] <Xgates> Package Operation Failed - the installation or removal of a sofware package failed -  InstallArchives() failed....
[01:05] <Xgates> that's it...
[01:05] <mbeierl> Amaranth: remove libgd2-noxpm, add libgd2-xpm
[01:05] <tobi> which X11 version will ubuntu 9.10 have?
[01:05] <Amaranth> mbeierl: weird
[01:05] <Amaranth> tobi: the one it has right now (not 1.7)
[01:05] <Xgates> Amaranth: when it was starting to install the updated I got that msg as a popup
[01:05] <Xgates> updated/updates....
[01:06] <Amaranth> Xgates: Is there a little arrow with "Terminal" next to it on the window?
[01:06] <Lars_G> meh
[01:06] <Amaranth> Or "Show Details" etc
[01:06] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: "NetworkManager has limited support for static IP addressing. Configuration of static IPs is distribution specific and should use that distribution's normal network configuration methods."
[01:06] <mbeierl> Amaranth: weird, yes, but it did clear the hold, so I'm up to date now, thanks for the tip on finding out why
[01:06] <XiXaQ> what the... my gconf was suddenly filled with a lot of new data.
[01:06] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: it's been working perfectly in jaunty though.
[01:06] <Amaranth> Lars_G: That would be /etc/network/interfaces although iirc there is a known bug with networkmanager handling this
[01:07] <Amaranth> Well, known as in the developer just found out yesterday
[01:07] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: I guess that means you're editing /etc/netwokr/interfaces ??
[01:07] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: the only thing I need, is to configure it to use my gateway for internet. But this is probably only a glitch in the dialog.
[01:07] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: not in jaunty, no. Just using nm-applet.
[01:07] <Amaranth> Expect it to work correctly again soon, I guess
[01:07] <Amaranth> A week or so
[01:07] <Lars_G> in jaunty you use the nm-applet ui
[01:07] <Lars_G> but on the backend it's interacting with interfaces
[01:08] <Amaranth> Lars_G, XiXaQ: I'm talking to you guys :)
[01:08] <Lars_G> Amaranth: I see you ;)
[01:08] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: hmm. I wasn't highlighted. :)
[01:08] <Amaranth> Thus the poke. :)
[01:08] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: elaborate please?
[01:09] <XiXaQ> am I still here?
[01:09] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: The developer just discovered this was broken recently
[01:09] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: what was broken?
[01:10] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: So hopefully he'll have a fix for it soon
[01:10] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: Editing static IP and etc data in network manager
[01:10] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: Frying chicken wings
[01:10] <Lars_G> oh shit
[01:10] <Lars_G> I installed karmic on ext4
[01:10] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[01:10] <Lars_G> I bet parted or disk utility can't resize that tet
[01:11] <Lars_G> Amaranth: taken
[01:11] <Xgates> Amaranth: my bad let me run it from the CLI
[01:12] <Amaranth> Xgates: I'm guessing it's openoffice.org-filter-binfilter
[01:12] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: wouldn't happen to know how to configure network managers wireless interfaces manually, would you?
[01:13] <XiXaQ> Amaranth: I'd really like to confirm that it's just a GUI-bug. After all, that'll be easily fixed.
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: I'm afraid I forgot all of that once networkmanager started working
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: When I need to do it manually I just start reading man pages again
[01:13] <Xgates> hmm
[01:13] <Amaranth> XiXaQ: It's just a GUI bug though
[01:13] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: should be /etc/network/interfaces afaik
[01:14] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: no..?
[01:15] <Xgates> ok I'm forgetting my cmds, hehe what's the CLI cmd for getting updates?
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: ip4
[01:16] <Xgates> I just thought it was apt-get updates
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration
[01:16] <yofel> Xgates: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:16] <Xgates> ahhh upgrade
[01:16] <Xgates> LOL
[01:16] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: see connection 1 in that example
[01:16] <Xgates> sheesh
[01:18] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: And thanks, that graph also helps me configure a bluetooth connection which I wasn't able to before
[01:18] <Lars_G> I wonder if there's a cli gconf editor
[01:18] <nzmm_> do the totem youtube or bbc plugins work for anyone?
[01:19] <yofel> Lars_G: well, there's gconftool if you want to change something from cli or gconf-editor if you want a gui
[01:19] <Lars_G> Hmm seems gconftool is it
[01:19] <Lars_G> but I wanted a ncurses one :)
[01:20] <Lars_G> yofel: yeah, saw that. thanks
[01:20] <yofel> Lars_G: don't be greedy :P
[01:20] <Lars_G> lol
[01:20] <Lars_G> Dude, I'm considering moving from kontact to alpine
[01:20] <Lars_G> I'm... into my odd phase
[01:24] <arthurjohnson> Lars_G: alpine rules.  I've used pine since '94, switched to Alpine when it was released.
[01:25] <arthurjohnson> Lars_G: I use it with my gmail account
[01:25] <Xgates> Amaranth: well it's running from the CLI ok, so something on the GUI level is mucking with it...
[01:30] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: hehe, you're welcome. But unfortunately for me, that doesn't look anything like what I have.
[01:31] <Xgates> hmm the fs got mucked up for me after my first update, anyone else? It had me run fsck to fix it
[01:31] <Xgates> hmmm
[01:32] <Lars_G> XiXaQ: yes but you could make it.... you should have that structure, I have it on my gconf
[01:32] <Lars_G> system->networking->connections->#id->[etc]
[01:32] <Xgates> well back to my first issue after the grub menu and Karmic starts loading I get the console for a few seconds spitting out it stuff then I get the Ubuntu logo, how can I get it to go straight from Grub to the Logo, instead of getting the console then the logo?
[01:33] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: how do I create the ipv4 folder?
[01:34] <Xgates> I gave it GRUB_GFXMODE= and changed the resolution all that did was change the size of the Grub menu...
[01:34] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: I tried to add a folder "ipv4" to $HOME/.gconf/system/networking/1/ipv4 and add a %gconf.xml to it, but that did nothing.
[01:34] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: uh.. I had a /connection/ between networking and 1
[01:35] <XiXaQ> bah. connections even.
[01:35] <Lars_G> I can't find how on the gconf-editor
[01:36] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: neither could I, which is why I tried to add it directly to the filesystem.
[01:36] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: but that didn't work either.
[01:36] <Lars_G> yeah
[01:37] <Lars_G> sorry my gconf doesn't go that far
[01:38] <maxb> Hrm. Has anyone else noticed that karmic doesn't seem to display progress for boot-time fscks any more?
[01:38] <Xgates> I can't be the only one, what after everyone boots from the Grub menu everyone is going straight to the boot logo without getting some load up info in the console?
[01:38] <XiXaQ> Lars_G: it's ok. Since it's actually working for me now, I guess I can wait for an update to nm-applet and see if that fixes it. But I can't understand how karmic could be released as beta with this bug. You'd think someone would have tested these basic things first.
[01:39] <wastrel> is anyone running koala?
[01:39] <XiXaQ> but I just installed a lot of updates, so I need to reboot. brb
[01:39] <yofel> wastrel: that question is pointless in this channel
[01:42] <Lars_G> that's the definition of a beta
[01:42] <Lars_G> wathever
[01:43] <XDevHald> Are all the upgrades that have gone through the upstream been considered as an upgrade to Beta>
[01:43] <maxb> XDevHald: I don't understand what you're trying to ask.
[01:43] <XDevHald> Neither am I.
[01:44] <XDevHald> The upstream has been pushing the downloaded repos to update manager, are they considered as upgrades?
[01:44] <n00bcr> Hi, just upgrape to 9.10 and when booting it crash, Im not that expert at linux to figure this out... undefined symbol: udev_monitor_filter_add_match_subsystem_devt ...
[01:45] <n00bcr> where can I start, not much info on Google..
[01:46] <Elone> !media
[01:47] <darthanubis> anyone using lifrea and find it to be segfaulting outof the blue?
[01:50] <darthanubis> ok ...the power went  out and now liferea starts but upon trying to reload feeds, segfaults
[01:57] <n00bcr> where can I find help about 9.10 upgrade and then boot crash (mountall: symbol lookup error) ?
[01:57] <feat> :D
[01:58] <feat> 2 days 14 hrs XD
[02:02] <feat> :)
[02:07] <len> I noticed that flash doesn't work in fullscreen under firefox in the beta, nor does the pause/play button work.  Is this a known issue?
[02:10] <darthanubis> db liferea 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-<liferea>.txt
[02:10] <darthanubis> bash: liferea: No such file or directory
[02:10] <darthanubis> Trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[02:10] <darthanubis> but getting that bash error
[02:11] <feat> :O
[02:11] <darthanubis> I hate being dependent for help :/
[02:12] <feat> jajajaj
[02:12] <feat> google   it
[02:12] <feat> xd
[02:12] <feat> xD
[02:12] <darthanubis> I always do that first
[02:13] <feat> ok
[02:13] <feat> 2 hrs for 9.10
[02:13] <feat> XD
[02:15] <Lars_G> ....
[02:17] <test34> which hi-def webcam would you recommend?
[02:19] <feat> haber que tal jala el beta en mi netboo
[02:19] <feat> netbook
[02:20] <Lars_G> a ver
[02:20] <Lars_G> not haber
[02:21] <test34> #ubuntu.cn
[02:21] <Lars_G> test34: you're right in part, isn't that the chinesse room?
[02:22] <test34> Lars_G, yes it does sound like Chinese (but I know it's not)
[02:22] <Lars_G> anyhow you should've directed him to the -es channel
[02:23] <test34> ok
[02:23] <iceroot> anyone running karmic with vbox 3.06 succesfully?
[02:23] <roffe> I'm having a problem with chrome browser where I have to click an endless amount of time before a youtube-video starts, is it the same for you?
[02:24] <albert23> darthanubis: leave the < and > out of the filename. They have special meaning for bash.
[02:24] <Lars_G> arrrrghhhh!!!!!
[02:24] <albert23> so use gdb liferea 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-liferea.txt
[02:24] <test34> roffe, endless is 3-6 times? I had this problem with firefox too (maybe it's a flash problem?)
[02:25] <test34> roffe, are you using 64bits?
[02:25] <roffe> test34, endless would be about 10 times. Yes, I'm running 64 bits
[02:26] <test34> roffe, I think I experienced the same problem and I don't use chrome
[02:26] <unlink> Hi, anyone good with a boot of death troubleshooting? A vostro which previously behaved badly with ACPI, now boot of death post 9.10 update...
[02:26] <test34> but I do use 64bits ubuntu
[02:26] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[02:26] <test34> roffe, Is it only when it's embedded ?
[02:27] <Umeaboy> Is there a way to find a certain error in the comouter by search for a string?
[02:27] <roffe> test34, I  just tried it on ff, and it worked flawless
[02:27] <Umeaboy> In the boot-sequence I see that vbox has errors.
[02:27] <roffe> test34, no, on every youtube video
[02:27] <Umeaboy> It should be displayed in dmesg, but I don't see it.
[02:27] <Umeaboy> I may be blind.
[02:28] <test34> roffe, did you install the latest updates?
[02:29] <test34> Umeaboy, dmesg | grep string ?
[02:29] <roffe> test34, yes, and I actually think it worked a tad better, however it's still pretty much crap
[02:29] <test34> Umeaboy, where string is case sensitive I think
[02:30] <test34> roffe, I will try to install chrome
[02:31] <unlink> bye
[02:32] <Umeaboy> test34: No result.
[02:32] <Umeaboy> I wrote  dmesg | grep vbox
[02:33] <mercutio22> yes! the new UNR interface is very polished
[02:33] <mercutio22> amazing
[02:36] <manshoon> I cant seem to get my dvd player to work, I get errors in all media player like : "VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/sr0'
[02:37] <test34> roffe, the latest version works fine here (only one click to play)
[02:37] <test34> Umeaboy, you could try to look at the log files in /var/log
[02:37] <Umeaboy> This is weird. I got instructions during the boot to take a look in dmesg why there's a problem with vbox.
[02:37] <Umeaboy> Nothing.......
[02:38] <roffe> test34, thanks for trying, but damn it annoys me :/ I was pretty sure you'd encounter the same issues..
[02:38] <Umeaboy> manshoon: And you've installed all the necessary codecs?
[02:38] <test34> roffe, but I had a similar problem earlier with firefox.. do you have the latest flash vesion ?
[02:38] <manshoon> well I installed css using the script
[02:39] <test34> I have 10.0.32.18
[02:40] <DKcross> hello people
[02:40] <Umeaboy> roffe: Tried installing Gnash?
[02:40] <DKcross> any have idea about problem "bar 06" device not found
[02:40] <DKcross> when ubuntu is starting
[02:40] <roffe> test34, yeah, I've got the same version :/
[02:41] <roffe> Umeaboy, no, but i have ion mind I didn't like gnash. Does it support 64-bit?
[02:41] <manshoon> all of them complain
[02:43] <DanaG> I also get the same BAR thingamajigger.
[02:43] <manshoon> what else is there besides libdvdread4 and libdvdcss?
[02:46] <DKcross> hello... any know about the bug "bar 06" device not fund
[02:47] <DKcross>  pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff]
[02:47] <DKcross> like this
[02:48] <test34> if you send a crash report using the automated process (apport-bug) but don't fill the web form, does the bug still get reported?
[02:53] <test34> I'm guessing yes, but sometimes I don't have time or don't know how to describe the bug so I don't complete the process
[02:56] <Umeaboy> roffe: I've you have issues with Gnash, file a report & it'll get solved.
[02:56] <Umeaboy> At least if you compare to filing a report for Adobe's Flash.
[02:57] <manshoon_> does hulu work for anyone here in konq?
[02:58] <manshoon_> it wont stream any content for me either
[03:00] <test34> manshoon, konqeror is really usable for web browsing?
[03:01] <thiebaude> ubuntu 9.10 i have to say is just incredible
[03:03] <manshoon_> well konqueror seems for the first time usable to me. I like it, but flash is just not working. I installed the adobe nonfree flash, but still in konq it says its using the netscape flashplayer-alternative
[03:03] <manshoon_> which makes me think its not using the same flash as firefox
[03:04] <thiebaude> i did the upgrade from 9.04
[03:05] <roffe> test34, just to let you know, I found others having the bug, and it appears to be due to compiz, since it's working fine under metacity
[03:06] <thiebaude> roffe, i didn't know there was a bug in compiz, because im using full desktop effects
[03:07] <thiebaude> hi alan
[03:08] <bullgard4> "New features since Ubuntu 9.04; These features are showcased for your attention. Please test them and report any bugs you find:;  * http://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs" -- What does mean "to showcast" here?
[03:08] <roffe> thiebaude, my fault. it's probably not a bug in compiz, but in chrome under compiz
[03:08] <test34> roffe, you got the bug link?
[03:09] <roffe> test34, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=20654&q=youtube&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone
[03:11] <test34> thanks roffe
[03:17] <boghog> hi there, I want to help testing 9.10, but I was wondering; if I install the beta now, and the final is released eventually, will my beta installation just be upgraded to that through the package manager or is that more involved?
[03:18] <roffe> boghog, should be as simple as that
[03:19] <boghog> cool
[03:20] <test34> boghog, should be as simple as that like roffe said but there is always that 1%
[03:20] <roffe> boghog, but you need to run update-manager -d
[03:26] <bob_> im trying to install package using kpackage and everytime i try it it says you dont have privilages? there is no prompt to enter a password to run as root??
[03:32] <test34> bob_, sudo ?
[03:46] <blueglasses> armagetronad.real keeps running after app shutdown
[03:46] <blueglasses> any clues?
[03:47] <blueglasses> need to close process by hand
[03:47] <Umeaboy> Is it possible to downgrade Ubuntu?
[03:47] <Umeaboy> To do the opposite as upgrade.
[03:48] <alokito> restart and shutdown options are gone from kde after I installed ubuntu-desktop
[03:49] <alokito> any fix? I want to use gdm, not kdm
[03:51] <test34> alokito, tried ubuntu? not kubuntu?
[03:51] <alokito> test34, they are fine in ubuntu
[03:52] <alokito> test34, I installed ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu installation
[03:53] <test34> just curious: what does gdm have that kdm doesn't have?
[03:55] <alokito> test34, karmic gdm has a nice splash screen, kdm doesn't
[04:02] <sebsebseb> alokito: Did you get GDM working?
[04:03] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: I am replying to a little while ago now, maybe your still here
[04:03] <sebsebseb> !downgrade |  Umeaboy
[04:03] <alokito> sebsebseb, I have no problem with gdm, the only problem is the restart and shutdown options are missing from kde4 kickofflauncher and anywhere else
[04:03] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: Why do you want to do that?  also  you  can  do a clean install of 9.04
[04:04] <sebsebseb> alokito: ok well  I don't even like KDE4 as a GUI to differnet to KDE 3,  some  KDE apps in Gnome though :)
[04:06] <crashsystems> Is anyone aware of an Xorg bug in Beta that would cause Xorg to take up 100% CPU on an Intel GPU, and not allow compiz to run?
[04:08] <maccam941> is it just me, or is http://packages.ubuntu.com down?
[04:09] <Umeaboy> sebsebseb: On reason.............the mirrors for 9.10 isn't functioning properly.
[04:09] <Umeaboy> One
[04:09] <sebsebseb> !slow |  Umeaboy
[04:09] <Umeaboy> Okej.
[04:09] <Umeaboy> Sorry.
[04:10] <tyson_> has anyone had any trouble with nvidia-settings being unable to parse the existing xorg.conf?
[04:11] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: np
[04:11] <Umeaboy> When will the release become finished?
[04:11] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy: 29th October
[04:12] <sebsebseb> Umeaboy:  Have you got Ext4 now?  Or did you do a 9.04  Ext3 to 9.04 beta upgrade, and so don't have it?
[04:12] <sebsebseb> uh
[04:12] <sebsebseb> 9.04 Ext3 to  9.10 Beta above
[04:14] <IdleOne> 7 hours to download with torrent :(
[04:14] <IdleOne> that is sad we need more peers and stop limiting upload speed people
[04:14] <musikgoat> ouch IdleOne, how many seeders?
[04:14] <tyson_> has anyone had any trouble with nvidia-settings being unable to parse the existing xorg.conf?
[04:15] <IdleOne> musikgoat: 73 at the momment
[04:15] <musikgoat> IdleOne: i bet it will pick up, do you have incoming connections (e.g. port forwarding)
[04:15] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: hmm even your doing the beta interesting,   altough weren't you one that also stayed on Hardy for  stability reasons?
[04:16] <IdleOne> sebsebseb: I have always ran beta. since 6.04
[04:16] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: oh
[04:16] <IdleOne> only thing is that with karmic I could not get past login screen with the alpha's
[04:16] <IdleOne> hoping beta works a little better
[04:17] <IdleOne> musikgoat: port forwarding to?
[04:17] <musikgoat> to your torrent client
[04:17] <IdleOne> no
[04:17] <Umeaboy> sebsebseb: My slot to the CDplayer won't eject.
[04:18] <IdleOne> Umeaboy: type eject
[04:18] <IdleOne> in terminal
[04:18] <musikgoat> IdleOne: it will let others connect to you to upload data, i.e. makes more connections and quicker torrents
[04:18] <IdleOne> musikgoat: what port do I need to forward?
[04:18] <musikgoat> IdleOne: depends on your client, check you clients preferences for that info
[04:18] <sebsebseb> Karmic has been  pretty good for me since alpha 4,   chkdsk issue was annoying, but went :)   ufw got disabled hmm,  but I sorted that out.   Something minor on boot up messagewise.   Well I didn't lose sound like when I was testing jauntey.
[04:19] <IdleOne> Transmission
[04:19] <Umeaboy> IdleOne: That didn't work.
[04:19] <Umeaboy> I'll reboot.
[04:19] <IdleOne> rebooting always works in windows :)
[04:20] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: it's kind of funny,  how loads  get the beta  that haven't done alphas,   beause they can't wait untill the final or whatever.
[04:20] <IdleOne> heh
[04:20] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: was the heh at what you put?
[04:20] <IdleOne> yes
[04:21] <sebsebseb> yes thought so since the messages appeard at like the same time
[04:21] <IdleOne> I wonder if all these new beta testers helps or hinders with bug reporting
[04:21] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: it's ashame that  the repos use the same servers or whatever, for all the releases,  making things slower for the other releases as well
[04:22] <musikgoat> thats why local mirrors rock
[04:22] <musikgoat> you just have to find the good ones!
[04:22] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: I guess most people that try  alpha/beta of  whatever the next version of Ubuntu is at the time, don't report bugs
[04:22] <IdleOne> in a few days it will settle down and the repos will be back to normal
[04:22] <musikgoat> for me its u of minn
[04:22] <sebsebseb> musikgoat:  yeah
[04:22] <sebsebseb> IdleOne: yep
[04:23] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: u of minn does not make sense
[04:24] <maccam94> ubuntu.media.mit.edu++
[04:24] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i think there still is a good percentage that do... and it has to help, but that would be a good case study that canonical should put out (if they haven't already) "how crowdsourcing software testing helps development cycles"
[04:24] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: crowdsourcing???
[04:24] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i'm in chicago, and i pull quickest downloads from mirror.cs.umn.edu
[04:25] <musikgoat> sure, putting betas out for people to download and report bugs, instead of having internal employees test
[04:25] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: its like outsourcing, but to the masses
[04:26] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: even MS realized the benefits, which came MSDN and then even public betas with win 7
[04:26] <IdleOne> ok port is forwarded. do I need to restart transmission?
[04:26] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: yes I  was just typing something like that,  that even Microsoft  did something like that with Windows 7
[04:26] <musikgoat> IdleOne: yes
[04:27] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Thing is though if Microsoft were like an opensource company their  beta would have been the alpha,  and the release candidate would have been the beta,  I guess
[04:27] <vinoman> enjoying 9.10 beta. have noticed that the mouse does not wake up the desktop out of screensaver mode. I have to hit any key.
[04:27] <musikgoat> IdleOne: have you forwarded ports before, sometimes routers are tricky... i've suggested portforward.com to others who are unfamiliar
[04:27] <IdleOne> musikgoat: yeah got it. 1h 40 min now
[04:27] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: much more testing done with most/all opensource/freesoftware before final releases, where as with most/all  commercial software  final releases are rushed out pretty quickly really
[04:28] <IdleOne> thanks for the suggestion
[04:28] <musikgoat> IdleOne: nice!
[04:28] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: hmm, well I would just separate the open source from the open testing... an open source company doesn't have to source development builds
[04:28] <IdleOne> musikgoat: 15 minutes would of been a lot nicer :) but beggars can't be choosers hehe
[04:29] <musikgoat> but its dumb not to let out betas for testing... its useful to get a gamut of environments
[04:29] <IdleOne> think I'll seed for a few days also
[04:30] <musikgoat> IdleOne: it could speed up as more connections are established
[04:31] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: yep  letting out test releases is good, thing is with Ubuntu,  some people that shoudn't really be testing it end up with  development versions of Ubuntu,  because of people mentioning it in the main Ubuntu channel
[04:32] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: yeah, i agree that there are repercussions but does the good outweigh the bad?
[04:33] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: there was even a guy in there earlier,  who  it seems  thought loads of  Ubuntu users should  get Karmic now, because it's beta, and so more stable
[04:33] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: ,but then when I said stuff about Ext4, he didn't seem to really know what I was on about or something
[04:33] <vinoman> has anyone else notice that your mouse doesn't work after the screensaver starts?
[04:34] <musikgoat> I think that the fact that the installer makes it clear about what you are getting yourself into,  they are trying to let people know
[04:34] <musikgoat> vinoman: its a bug with gl based screensavers, its been around since jaunty unfortunately
[04:35] <musikgoat> vinoman: let me see if i can find the bug, i've subscribed to it
[04:35] <vinoman> I haven't noticed it before, it doesn't effect jaunty on my laptop
[04:35] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: and even beta,  means something could maybe happen, giving people a reason to clean install,  but  a lot of people don't reolize this
[04:36] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: yeah, true
[04:36] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: do you propose that the alphas/betas be restricted in some way?
[04:37] <vinoman> maybe I'll try another screensaver.
[04:37] <musikgoat> bug 273142
[04:37] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Why do you ask that, your a developer?
[04:37] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: oh no
[04:37] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: just conversing
[04:38] <sebsebseb> let's see if it works here
[04:38] <sebsebseb> !karmic
[04:38] <sebsebseb> oh it does
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: right well that factoid
[04:38] <vinoman> thanks
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: the guy  I was on about earlier,  was suggesting in the main Ubuntu channel,  that  the  bit about Karmic  breaking should be removed now, because it's beta
[04:38] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: i work for a software company and we beta stuff to some customers, and have had that dialog,  does it hurt the company's rep when the software breaks?
[04:38] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: thinking it's more stable as a result, so it won't brake
[04:39] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: lolz
[04:39] <mercutio22> I used to be able to scroll down pages by using two fingers in my toouchpad
[04:39] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: basicalley yeah, and thinking it's a scary mesage to be telling users that want Karmic or whatever
[04:40] <mercutio22> this feature is gone now.
[04:40] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: If I remember correctly,  he didn't like how  karmic development and stable  Ubuntu release support,  were seperate even
[04:40] <musikgoat> mercutio22: its not the default anymore, but its editable in your mouse settings.
[04:40] <musikgoat> mercutio22: i have an eee and lost that ability too ;)
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: so thats on purpose? that was very useful
[04:41] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: that's good to keep them seperate,   and maybe there should be a little more warning about things braking in a development version,  but I guess it's fine realy how it is now
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: how do you get it back?
[04:41] <musikgoat> mercutio22: i don't know if it was on purpose
[04:41] <mercutio22> musikgoat: maybe we should file a bug
[04:41] <musikgoat> go to preferences -> mouse
[04:42] <musikgoat> mercutio22: its a preference now, so you have the ability to set the option
[04:42] <musikgoat> In my opinion its not really a bug, but thats just me
[04:43] <mercutio22> musikgoat: I see, but it would be nice if it was enabled by default
[04:43] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Don't know about you, but  well  stable Ubuntu gets boring for me after a while really,  so it's nice to be able to test the next one.  Plus as someone that has used since the second release, I should be doing that really.
[04:43] <musikgoat> mercutio22: sure, but what about the people that like the scroll on the right columm?
[04:44] <musikgoat> mercutio22: thats why we have "preferences" ;)
[04:44] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: I concur, I don't know how the debian folks do it... I like new stuff!!
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: same here,  which is one reason I don't run Debian,  well could do testing I suppouse hmm, but stable is well behind
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: no Ext4 support yet even as far as I know
[04:45] <mercutio22> musikgoat: I see your point, I thought I would have both methods simultaneously
[04:45] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: but even testing is like ubuntu stable
[04:45] <musikgoat> mercutio22: hmm, thats a good idea
[04:45] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: apparantly Ubuntu stable is based on testing
[04:45] <sebsebseb> or something like that
[04:47] <mercutio22> musikgoat: well, its good as it is
[04:47] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: right, i don't remember the exact relationship either, but iirc ubuntu is downstream of debian testing
[04:47] <musikgoat> mercutio22: cool!
[04:47] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: What does iirc mean again?
[04:47] <musikgoat> if I remember correctly
[04:48]  * sebsebseb wonders if he ever knew what it meant,  he/I guesses/guess so
[04:48] <musikgoat> so patches that get pushed into debian testing will then be pushed to ubuntu stable
[04:50] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: If I am correct Ubuntu is basically always a bit more cutting edge then Debian,  which  I guess might be why  some people say Ubuntu is never stable.
[04:50] <musikgoat> hmm...
[04:51] <DanaG> Hmm, something that fails in the new preferences:
[04:51] <DanaG> You can't have BOTH methods of scrolling at the same time.
[04:53] <wastrel> DanaG: it's annoying yes!
[04:53] <musikgoat> DanaG: that is what mercutio22 suggested, doesn't seem to be an option :-/
[04:54] <wastrel> DanaG: install gpointing-device-settings  that will let you configure both
[04:54] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: As Ubuntu prepares for release, we "freeze" a snapshot of Debian's development archive. We start from the development version in order to give ourselves the freedom to make our own decisions with regard to release management, independent of Debian's release-in-preparation. This is necessary because our release criteria are very different from Debian's.
[04:54] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: from http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian
[04:54] <DanaG> watch out if you use gpointing-device-settings.... gnome-settings-daemon will fight over the settings with it.
[04:55] <DanaG> They'll both repeatedly try to apply their own settings.
[04:55] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Yes I was thinking you copied that in from a website
[04:55] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: :)
[04:55] <DanaG> So you'll find one scrolling method will be enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled, enabled, disabled,
[04:55] <DanaG> ... you get the point.
[04:55] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: Yes I heard something like that before as well, that the Ubuntu repos are based on Debian
[04:56] <tj83> desktop share photo. http://imagebin.ca/view/8QkCJw0.html karmic is looking good
[04:56] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: and I was thinking about if  I knew what irrc  actsauly meant or not hmm heh
[04:56] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: so a release (stable) would be more cutting edge than debian stable, but not really much off from debian testing around that time
[04:57] <musikgoat> pretty tj83
[04:57] <tj83> ty
[04:58] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: above hmm = thinking   heh = fake laughter.   Anything else, or is it time for me to go away from my computer for a bit?
[04:58] <tj83> Internet relay chat
[04:59] <musikgoat> lol ?
[04:59] <musikgoat> heh
[04:59] <sebsebseb> tj83: IRC yes, but irrc no that's  if  I  remember correctly
[04:59] <musikgoat> s/wrong/right
[04:59] <sebsebseb> tj83: uh  iirc I meant
[04:59] <tj83> my fault,
[05:00] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: are you asking about common acronyms?
[05:00]  * tj83 is curious what iirc is
[05:00] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I was a bit,  and thanks for the  Debian/Ubuntu stuff by the way
[05:01] <sebsebseb> tj83: as I already  said :)    if  I remember correctly
[05:01] <musikgoat> sure, you obviously know though... hopefully the beta testing goes well for you,  btw,  you should hit up your LoCo if there is one for Bug Day this weekend
[05:01] <tj83> gees
[05:01] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: loco as in in person stuff or?
[05:02]  * tj83 googled and got his answer... wow, time for sleep
[05:02] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I haven't  done  Linux User Groups in person or stuff like that
[05:02] <musikgoat> !loco
[05:02] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I might be running a cross between alpha6 and beta now I don't know
[05:03] <mikedep333> hey, am I supposed to report duplicate bugs using the automated crash handler in karmic?
[05:04] <musikgoat> mikedep333: if the bug is reported, then you shouldn't re-report it, just click "me too"
[05:04] <mikedep333> ok, thanks
[05:04] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: if your interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[05:04] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I have been on that before
[05:05] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: bug reporting means logging into my old luanchpad account and uh,  so nah,  plus the issues I have had,  with Karmic, are probably standard ones anyway, that loads of others have had as well
[05:06] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: ok
[05:07] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: thanks though I guess
[05:07] <musikgoat> sure thing
[05:07] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: hmm  can I get into my old luanchpad account still,  it's been  quite a long while
[05:08] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: :P don't ask me, but I don't think the admins tend to prune old accounts often
[05:09] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: I was able to merge an old account with my current one a year or so ago
[05:09] <musikgoat> and that account was a couple years old
[05:09] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I was thinking if I can  get hold of the username and password still or whatever
[05:09] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: or reset password
[05:09] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: the username is an email address, so that tends to be easy
[05:10] <musikgoat> and launchpad is much cleaner yay!
[05:10] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I have a feeling it might be one in that case though,  that I no longer have access to.   Plus I was thinking email  password reminders.  Hmm at  unessarey highlights oh well,  and luanchpad is now open source.
[05:13] <musikgoat> sebsebseb: nice, i didn't hear about that, good news!
[05:13] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: indeed
[05:14] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: I think it's been a while now with it being open source, but not that long.
[05:14] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: well yes it's been a while
[05:14] <musikgoat> i was just reading, since july, not that long
[05:16] <sebsebseb> musikgoat: ok
[05:24]  * DanaG slaps the Gnome devs for ignoring the possibility of "both" on scrolling.
[05:24] <akio> ?
[05:25] <akio> two finge?
[05:25] <akio> finger*
[05:26] <akio> DanaG, what are you talking about?
[05:26] <DanaG> Look at the touchpad settings.
[05:26] <DanaG> "None".
[05:26] <DanaG> "Two Finger".
[05:26] <DanaG> "Edge".
[05:27] <DanaG> ... okay, isn't something missing there?
[05:27] <akio> both?
[05:27] <akio> not really
[05:27] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:27] <akio> I wouldn't think to have both
[05:27] <akio> that seems like overkill
[05:27] <DanaG> Well, but it should at least be POSSIBLE, right?
[05:28] <akio> i figure if you have the ability to do both you wouldn't car4 about edge scrolling
[05:28] <akio> i mean two finger scrolling
[05:28] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's like those people who review hardware and never even think to try Linux.... or like Phoronix testing SSDs but not testing boot time.
[05:28] <akio> (im a bit drunk)
[05:28] <DanaG> I like having the flexibility to do both -- and I could in the past.
[05:29] <DanaG> Like, the new Wacom Bamboo multitouch tablet.... not a single person has yet reviewed one with Linux.
[05:29] <akio> I don't think mine supports two finger scrolling, but I wish it did
[05:29] <akio> nope, but those are awesome
[05:30] <DanaG> Do you have one?
[05:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my touchpad only can do "fake" multifinger.
[05:30] <DanaG> My old laptop did real multi-finger.
[05:30] <akio> i used to go to school with some graphic artists
[05:30] <hnsr> wow, lots of weirdness when I (try to) reboot after installation completes on my laptop with intel graphics, seems to be stuck in some permanent loop where it kills gdm, switches to vt, starts gdm or X again (i get to see the background at least), over and over
[05:30] <DanaG> The multitouch one is very new... like a couple of months old.
[05:30] <DanaG> Boo on Synaptics for actively crippling new products, and making them inferior to old ones.
[05:31] <akio> i only saw the bamboo, didn't know there was a new one
[05:31] <hnsr> hmm, it's endlessly respawning gdm it seems
[05:32] <hnsr> DanaG, the multitouch tablets arent supported yet by linuxwacom i read on the wacom ML, I think you can get some initial support by adding the pci id, but only the pen will work
[05:33] <DanaG> Hmm, it's not a standard HID device? Bummer.
[05:33] <DanaG> I really really really want somebody to make something just like the Fingerworks boards that Apple bought out and killed, oh so many years ago.
[05:33] <legend2440> i was wondering why my /boot/grub folder is full of  mod files with an audio icon
[05:33] <hnsr> well it might be actually, I'm not really sure how wacom tablet are supported on linux, but the dev said there's some work in volved in making the miltutouch work
[05:34] <hnsr> anyone know how one could escape from this gdm-respawning loop
[05:35] <DanaG> hmm, how about single-touch? Or multi-touch as in like a touchpad, with mere two-finger-scroll and not much else?
[05:35] <hnsr> i'm not sure if I'll fubar my installation if I forcibly shutdown my laptop now :/
[05:36] <hnsr> sounds like no touch at all for now: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=167e8a330910021409n67417f81i4cd13f0a0af4bd5c%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-devel
[05:46] <Moc> is it normal I can't install software from the ubuntu software center in 9.10 beta ? There is no install buttons
[05:46] <idyle> Hi, I just did an upgrade and I have some unmet depends => libc6, libc6-dev, libc6-i386 -- should I just do upgrade -f (force)? or will this break stuff?
[05:47] <legend2440> is it normal for /boot/grub folder to be full of mod files?
[05:47] <sebsebseb> Moc: oh it's not the  repo is slow issue
[05:47] <musikgoat> idyle: you could try a dist-upgrade
[05:47] <musikgoat> legend2440: yes
[05:47] <idyle> musikgoat: I'm already on karmic
[05:47] <musikgoat> its because you now have grub2
[05:47] <Moc> I hope the user login screen will be updated before release, the default one is alittle boring
[05:47] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok thanks
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: yeah brown and uh
[05:48] <musikgoat> legend2440: also, keep in mind that you don't edit /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore, just in case you were looking for it
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: well there's the new boot up and shut down theme
[05:48] <Moc> Im talking about the square box with your name in it
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: that's the new GDM
[05:48] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok thanks
[05:48] <sebsebseb> Moc: Do you see a background on it?
[05:49] <Moc> sebsebseb: to the full screen yes, but not in the white box
[05:49] <Moc> It really make the login screen ugly compare to 9.04
[05:49] <sebsebseb> Moc: yeah I am wondering about themeing the new GDM personalley,  and I have been testing  Karmic since alpha4, and it seems I can't  theme the new GDM or something hmm
[05:50] <sebsebseb> I want the nice blubuntu theme from the repo for the new GDM as well
[05:50] <sebsebseb> Moc: ,but when I looked around for  themeing GDM,  not sure where the settings are
[05:50] <legend2440> i backed up karmic with clonezilla after i got it setup the way i wanted. then to test the img file i restored it. after that Grub2 would not load. i tried the grub2 restore instructions but they didnt work. what is a reliable way to backup karmic?
[05:51] <sebsebseb> Moc: the new GDM is actsaully one reason  why  I might not upgrade the other computer any time soon,  well unless I can theme it hmm
[05:51] <Moc> I try to stay what the os give me... So I do home there something that look alittle better for release
[05:51] <sebsebseb> other computer it won't upgrade  to anything, but finals
[05:51] <sebsebseb> yes same here,  I  stay with what the OS gave me, or do only rather basic customizing
[05:52] <sebsebseb> I like good defaults as well,  I am not so sure about 9.10 by what I have seen
[05:52] <sebsebseb> when it comes to eye candy
[05:52] <Moc> I just mounted an 46" monitor in my room, and I couldn't get high rez with my old dell d610, upgraded to 9.10 and it looking good, it weird how the open source ati driver came along
[05:53] <Moc> I find the Mail/IM icons too pale
[05:53] <musikgoat> legend2440: tar?
[05:53] <Moc> volume and batt are too pale also
[05:54] <legend2440> musikgoat: ok will look into tar. thanks
[05:54] <sebsebseb> Moc: ok just gave the  Ubuntu Software  Centre (yes the British spelling is the proper way :) )  another try, because of you
[05:54] <sebsebseb> Moc: indeed would be nice if there was an install button for an app that you want to install
[05:54] <sebsebseb> ,but no there isn't, but you can do file and then install
[05:54] <musikgoat> legend2440: :)  let me point you to some suggestions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR
[05:54] <Moc> it gray out
[05:55] <legend2440> musikgoat: thanks
[05:56] <Moc> It say, not available in current data
[05:56] <hnsr> against what application should I file a bug for a missing icon theme? some themes depend on the 'Human' icon theme, but this theme is installed so it gives a warning and some icons are missing from various menus
[05:56] <hnsr> s/is installed/is not installed/
[05:57] <sebsebseb> Moc: The name of the program is also spelt the American way center,  when really the correct spelling is Centre :)  Used to be called Ubuntu App Store.  Store isn't British English either Shop would be, but  Store is better than Center :)
[05:57] <sebsebseb> Moc: Shame about the name, nice little program though, not really needed though,  Synaptic or add/remove or good enough really
[05:57] <sebsebseb> and  installing stuff with commands :)
[05:58] <sebsebseb> Moc: maybe you got a bug with it
[05:58] <Moc> yes am about to apt-get my stuff
[05:59] <maccam941> sebsebseb: well sotware center will replace add/remove
[06:00] <maccam941> and probably synaptic some day
[06:00] <sebsebseb> maccam941: and hopefuly be spelt  the British way centre :)   by default, but no  the American way hmm,  well  in that case I hope for those with  British English that they get the name with Centre in the menu and the program itself hmm
[06:01] <maccam941> sebsebseb: there's a reason they have translation teams
[06:01] <sebsebseb> maccam941: yep
[06:01] <maccam941> and multiple language packs
[06:01] <sebsebseb> maccam941: add/remove is part of upstream Gnome isn't it?   This  Ubuntu  App Centre isn't
[06:02] <maccam941> i think canonical made add/remove and pushed it upstream
[06:02] <maccam941> (iirc)
[06:02] <maccam941> in any case software center will eventually become the default package management app
[06:02] <maccam941> it'll replace gdebi and update-manager and synaptic and add/remove
[06:02] <akio> I just revisited LOLCODE
[06:02] <sebsebseb> uh  software centre :)
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> wonder if they will make a console version.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:03] <maccam941> sebsebseb: potato potato
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> its potatoe
[06:03] <maccam941> -_-
[06:03] <Moc> I had to select another mirror than the canadian mirror
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:03] <sebsebseb> maccam941: synaptic being replaced by  software centre, that woudn't be a good thing
[06:03] <sebsebseb> maccam941: Synaptic can do a lot more it seems :)
[06:03] <maccam941> sebsebseb: it will be, eventually
[06:04] <maccam941> they just started writing it this cycle
[06:04] <Moc> synaptic = admin tool
[06:04] <hnsr> anyone else here running 9.10 notice that some themes depend on 'Human' icon theme, wihch isn't installed?
[06:04] <maccam941> have you guys even looked at the spec page?
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Id like to see them expand the 'tagging' system on all the packages.. i often have a hard time finding a package that i 'rember using ages ago' :)
[06:04] <hnsr> im trying to  figure out if I should file a bug against it, cant find anything related on launchpad
[06:04] <hnsr> nor can I figure out which package to even file it against
[06:04] <sebsebseb> maccam941: well  I guess it will be ok if  it's better than Synaptic, but   it still won't be part of upstream Gnome I guess
[06:05] <sebsebseb> maccam941: spec page???
[06:05] <maccam941> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[06:06] <maccam941> "In application menus etc, the Center should appear as “Ubuntu Software Center”. This name should be localized (for example, as “Centre” in Commonwealth countries)."
[06:06] <sebsebseb> maybe I should do a bug report for the    wrong spelling  for  Software Centre  :D no point   seriously though, since  American English is the default English for most computer stuff, even though  British English is the only true English :)
[06:08] <sebsebseb> American spellings even though where Canonical is located,  well  not a big deal, but still hmm
[06:08] <maccam941> sebsebseb: did you not read what i just wrote? have you set your locale to en_gb?
[06:08] <sebsebseb> maccam941: yes I did a while ago
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> I can think of bigger annoyances.  with the 'software Center'
[06:08] <sebsebseb> still ended up with the Firefox user agent saying en-us in it though :(
[06:08] <sebsebseb> ,but  I fixed that myself :D
[06:09] <maccam941> sebsebseb: i think firefox has its own localization packages
[06:09] <sebsebseb> apparantly  the translations come later
[06:09] <Moc> damn out of disk space..
[06:10] <Elone> anyone, tried installing VNware? it stop working @ 62% @@; any clue? ~
[06:10] <sebsebseb> maccam941: I didn't really  think about this stuff before, but then more recently,  I got in contact  with someone on IRC, (well it's been months now or whatever), but he does  en gb  for  Gnome
[06:11] <sebsebseb> maccam941: actsaully that's not quite true, since  the first proper website I did,   I ended up calling the thing in HTML for the external style sheet  .centre   anyway this is a bit off topic really
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I cant even get the software-center to actually install anything...
[06:13] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis:  since the repos are having issues? since this issue?
[06:13] <sebsebseb> !slow
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  im installing stuff via apt-get fine now. so i just now fires up softeare center, clicked on a game, clicked install.. nothing.. no messages in the terminal, or any feedback at all.
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> I will try again in a min.
[06:14] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: using software centre to try it?   you install with apt-get normalley don't you?
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> right. I tried to install wesnoth via software center, no feedback, click install.. wait.. nothing.....
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> close it.. apt-get install wesnoth-all   took right off.
[06:15] <sebsebseb> well that would be interseting if there's a software centre bug in the beta,  resulting in people not being able to install anything from it
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> try looking for the ssh server in the software center.. i couldent even find that.
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> looked for ssh, and 'openssh'
[06:16] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: I think since it's basic and a replacement for add/remove
[06:16] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: or I should  say will be a replacement for it
[06:16] <sebsebseb> by the sounds of it hmm
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> trying it on the other machine. lets see
[06:17] <Moc> damn, my audio playback in vlc stop for 200ms every few second
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if the 3d chess program actually DOES 3d now....
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <Moc> playback is fine in totem
[06:19] <chu_> Hey guys - I'm currently on Jaunty, though my wireless is broken. I'm thinking of either re-installing Jaunty, or jumping onto Karmic beta (I jumped onto Jaunty beta from Intrepid and had no isses, if anything the experience was made better by Jaunty, even at beta), so I'm open for anything. I do have a separate /home partition, so re-install is just as easy as an update (or so I have heard, not that I have ever done a re-install).
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Ok. software center is installing 3d chess on my other machine (the one that is still alpha-6 (not upgraded yet)
[06:19] <sebsebseb> chu_: could do, but right now well this
[06:19] <sebsebseb> !slow |  chu_
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Heh.. 3d chess STILL has broken '3d'
[06:20] <chu_> So I should probably download the Karmic beta and do a re-install that way?
[06:20] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Well that's expected
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: could do, but right now things will be slow
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  its been broken since the earliest release of ubuntu ive ever tried. :)
[06:20] <chu_> Even over torrent?
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: sounded like it earlier
[06:20] <Moc> if vlc doesn't work ok on 9.10 i will not update
[06:20] <sebsebseb> chu_: well you can try
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> No Python OpenGL suppot,No Python GTKGLExt support - is the error dialog message.
[06:21] <chu_> Indeed, I'll hang around here for a while, do you have any tips on doing a re-install?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> vlc works fine here for me on 9.10
[06:21] <sebsebseb> chu_: of course since beta, might end up with some other issue,  resulting in you having a reason to do a clean install of the final, but by the sounds of it that won't be much of an issue, seperate /home after all
[06:21] <sebsebseb> chu_: and the beta causing dataloss from your seperate /home I doubt it
[06:22] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Which release?
[06:22] <chu_> Right now, my /home partition is a *mess*, lots of stuff added and removed, lots of "zombie" dirs just floatin around - is there anyway I can go through them and remove the stuff I don't need?
[06:22] <sebsebseb> chu_: When doing Karmic make sure you have /  as Ext4 :)
[06:22] <chu_> So I can grab a perfect back-up of my home dir.
[06:22] <sebsebseb> chu_: by default  for clean installs Karmic will do / as Ext4  and put the other stuff in it
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  iv not updated this alpha6 box yet today.. but ive been watching vlc videos on it all week. (or were you talking about the chess program?) :)
[06:23] <chu_> Yeah, will do (I did an upgradeto Jaunty so never got the chance for ext4)
[06:23] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: Which version of Ubuntu  was the earliest you used?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> sebsebseb:  Hmm.. warty? i forget teh cute names..
[06:23] <sebsebseb> chu_: Well you could have converted the Ext3 to Ext4 in Jauntey, but  Jauntey also doesn't have perfect Ext4 support, because of the kernel they have and that (hmm at the amount of times I have said this kind of thing in #ubuntu )
[06:24] <Moc> now vlc is not responding... !! noo
[06:24] <chu_> I'm actually running 2.6.30 on Jaunty atm.
[06:24]  * sebsebseb is looking forward to the 9.04 final, so that around then he can start telling loads of people to do Ext4 :)
[06:24] <chu_> Had to update the kernel to support my laptop's acpi readings..
[06:24] <sebsebseb> uh
[06:24] <sebsebseb> 9.10 above
[06:24] <chu_> 9.10
[06:25] <chu_> AHah
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> yea - got the chess game to actually do 3d. :)
[06:25] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: oh~?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> had to install 2 extra packages -->  python-gtkglext1
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> python-opengl
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> last time i tried to get it going (a year ago+) one of those packages i think wasent even in the repos
[06:27] <sebsebseb> Dr_Willis: ok well  that could be useful info for certain people,  I don't even know how to play chess hmm
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Interesting theres '3d' chess - thats a 3d (3 levels of boards) chess game,, then theres the chess game that has 3d 'rendered/board'
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> !info bouncy
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Just comparing the listings of 'software center' and what i see with apt-cache, and there seems to be a lot missing software center.
[06:42] <chu_> Sweet Telstra have Ubuntu mirrors I have never known about, they have the 9.10 desktop beta ISO available.
[06:42] <iflema> unmetered... cool mhuh
[06:43] <iflema> about the only cool thing about telstra
[06:43] <chu_> Pretty much :p
[06:43] <iflema> chu: i take it you know about the repos
[06:43] <chu_> Though, unmetered repos makes Linux a win
[06:44] <chu_> Yeah, pretty much just discovered.
[06:44] <iflema> a win or a windows???
[06:44] <chu_> Hah
[06:45] <iflema> chu: theres more mirror.files.bigpond.com
[06:45] <chu_> Anyway, going to update to 9.10 later today I think, nice to know I don't have to dog down the ubuntu servers.
[06:45] <musikgoat> oh man, the aussies are up, its bed time for me j/k :P
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Be nice to see a web site showing all the servers loads, so we could switch to unloaded ones
[06:46] <fbdystang> agreed
[06:46] <chu_> In software sources, I just changed the "Download from" to http://mirror.files.bigpond.com/ubuntu ?
[06:46] <musikgoat> Dr_Willis: I would think that the mirrors would like that as well!
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> chu_:  i was wondering that also. :)
[06:47] <iflema> chu_: no punch in that address into browser and looksee
[06:47] <chu_> Cheers
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> i see the index of ubuntu. :)
[06:47] <iflema> - ubuntu
[06:48] <chu_> Sick
[06:48] <chu_> Yeah
[06:48] <iflema> m
[06:48] <fbdystang> chu_ that is cool
[06:48] <iflema> 3 of my favs
[06:48] <iflema> repos for all
[06:48] <iflema> woo
[06:49] <chu_> There is no way of changing my "default" repo to that is there?
[06:49] <chu_> Possibly with the cli :p
[06:49] <chu_> Using Software Sources I don't think so.
[06:49] <iflema> only thing with telstra/ubuntu.... no multiverse
[06:49]  * Dr_Willis tries the 'select best server' button.
[06:49] <frybye> re - for some reason the status-bar (-panel) has migrated from bottom edge of screen to near the top - how can I get it back to the bottom??
[06:49] <chu_> 291 tests!
[06:49] <iflema> at least not 3 months ago
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> 325 tests here
[06:50] <chu_> Yikes
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> it picked one in this state.. not a suprise. :)
[06:50] <frybye> OK - done it! with alt + left-mouse and drag...
[06:51] <chu_> There's a repo at ANU too, though I don't know how to configure it.
[06:51] <frybye> hmmm should have thought of it quicker...
[06:51] <chu_> I am a student at ANU, so that could be good.
[06:53] <cwillu_> frybye, alt-drag the panel
[06:54] <iflema> chu_: if ya like i can send ya a file called sources.list its about 5 lines.. if ya drop into /etc/apt/ bigpondll take over
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> fastest servers are across the world. :) thats always amuseing
[06:56] <iflema> actually google it
[06:59]  * nonix4 ponders about BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:05] <cwillu_> guess you saw that
[07:17] <hifi> nfs-common is broken
[07:18] <Frickelpit> hifi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/441055
[07:19] <hifi> ok, waiting for the new package
[07:20] <Elone> anyone, tried installing vmware? it stop working @ 62% @@; any clue? ~
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> ths instalation of vmware hung you mean? or the installing of ubuntu ON a vmware VM hung?
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> I see that both ubuntu-wallpapers and gnome-screensavers add files to /usr/share/backgrounds - am I to understand that there's some interchangability between the two?
[07:34] <KnifeySpooney> My xbootsplash looks very low quality. I thought it was just normal until I saw lifehacker's bootsplash quality -- http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2009/10/500x_karmic2_splash.jpg . Are there any settings I can change to increase the quality of my bootsplash?
[07:45] <KnifeySpooney> Nevermind. Someone posted it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/433034
[07:47] <topyli> DopeGhot1, thanks for the grub2 auth hint
[07:49] <jarkko> hi guys, do know what causes to load a second instance of network manager and kmix into system tray in kubuntu karmic?
[07:51] <pwnguin> yay, new wacom fixes my pen
[07:57] <alokito> do the main server and server for united states get updated at the same time?
[07:57] <alokito> main server is too slow so thinking about switching to a server that gets updated as soon as a package is released
[08:00] <Veinor_> global bug jam, whooooo
[08:02] <dv-> what's the deal with nautilus mounting drives to random points each time? every time I mount a drive now it has to read all the media all over again because the mount point has changed
[08:03] <alokito> dv-, to mount ntfs drives automatically use the ntfs-config tool
[08:03] <caillean> i wonder where apport saves the data,because i wanted to add apports data to an existing bug
[08:06] <dv-> alokito: i just don't want it to use random mount points
[08:06] <shentino> How do I upgrade to the beta with synaptic?
[08:07] <alokito> dv-, you are mounting ntfs are u not?
[08:07] <dv-> it used to mount to /media/disk-1 /media/disk-2.... now it's /media/<hash> but the hash is different every time
[08:07] <dv-> no
[08:07] <alokito> shentino, beta is not counted as a distribution release, so if you have all the updates installed u already have the beta
[08:07] <Veinor> it's doing that for me every time I plug in a thumb drive
[08:08] <Veinor> what dv- said.
[08:08] <shentino> so maxing out my versions for jaunty already gives me what karmic would?
[08:08] <Veinor> shentino: oh, sudo update-manager -d
[08:08] <Boohbah> how come my wallpaper has no koala?
[08:08] <Veinor> Boohbah: he's hiding :o
[08:08] <alokito> dv-, u can set the mount point of drives in /etc/fstab
[08:08] <Boohbah> Veinor: oh, do i need to look in the tree? :)
[08:08] <Veinor> yeah :P
[08:08] <alokito> shentino, nope! I mean u don't need to upgrade from karmic alpha to beta
[08:09] <shentino> What I want to do is upgrade from jaunty to karmic beta
[08:09] <Veinor> shentino: sudo update-manager -d
[08:09] <Veinor> in a terminal
[08:10] <draconis> of course back up your stuff first!
[08:10] <draconis> you'd want to do that with a normal distribution upgrade, but doubly so with a beta
[08:11] <Veinor> yeah, of course
[08:12] <Veinor> oh dear, he left
[08:12] <Veinor> anyway, I don't like the behavior of thumb drives mounting automaticalls as /media/SOME-HASH
[08:12] <alokito> draconis, the beta is stable, but I wouldn't want to upgrade my jaunty to karmic beta, rather I would do a separate install(what I actually did few days ago)
[08:12] <Veinor> I'd like for them to mount as /media/disk
[08:13] <dv-> exactly
[08:13] <alokito> Veinor, delete all mount paths from /etc/fstab, then set the mount paths of the drives as u desire
[08:13] <Boohbah> draconis: or consider installing in a VirtualBox
[08:13] <draconis> well, I had to reinstall a system so I figured I'd just start with Karmic
[08:14] <Boohbah> that makes sense
[08:14] <Veinor> alokito: but my point is I want all removable media to be mounted as /media/disk
[08:14] <Veinor> like in Jaunty
[08:14] <alokito> Boohbah, to have a taste vbox is ok, but Im using karmic as my default os so I can't run it in vbox
[08:15] <draconis> Veinor: well, my media is being mounted as their drive label
[08:15] <alokito> Veinor, check /etc/fstab... some partition might be using /media/disk already
[08:15] <Boohbah> alokito: yeah, i installed karmic alpha as my main laptop OS, was running in a vbox on a gentoo desktop before that
[08:15] <alokito> give it some other mount path
[08:15] <Boohbah> alokito: and the laptop have twice the ram as the desktop :)
[08:17] <nonix4> if I "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" on a server installation, will I lose the lovely server motd?
[08:18] <Boohbah> nonix4: if you mean /etc/motd it shouldn't change
[08:27] <Veinor> what's this apt-add-repository I keep hearing so much about?
[08:27] <Veinor> it's not on my karmic install
[08:28] <nonix4> then again that would install bunch of stuff that is not needed on a host that doesn't have local display... any simple way to install just the usual x clients, skipping xserver-xorg and alike?
[08:34] <Veinor> oh.
[08:34] <Veinor> add-apt-repository
[08:34] <Veinor> Now I feel silly.
[08:50] <bwallum> I now know the meaning of the term clusterf**k as quoted in 'Burn After Reading'. It could have been made for PA. Karmic and Jaunty blown up. Can't use my optical drives now. Any sign of a fix coming through?
[08:51] <cwillu_> bwallum, bug number or it didn't happen
[08:53] <topyli> heh
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> !bug 1
[08:55] <bwallum> There's 475 currently listed
[08:56] <cwillu_> ...
[08:56] <bwallum> A right cluster indeed
[08:57] <cwillu_> um, that's not how that works
[08:57] <cwillu_> please state the specific bug you're experiencing
[08:57] <cwillu_> the bug #, rather
[08:58] <jbicha> is there any way I can force Karmic to use the vesa driver? the old "xforcevesa" boot option doesn't seem to work
[08:58] <cwillu_> if there's 475 exact duplicates, then pick one
[08:58] <bwallum> sorry, I don't understand. I am simply asking if there is a light at the end of the tunnel yet
[08:58] <cwillu_> bwallum, and I'm asking 'what tunnel'?
[08:58] <topyli> there is!
[08:58] <bwallum> look at the sample selection above then
[08:58] <cwillu_> you haven't given me anything to look at yet
[08:59] <cwillu_> or am I supposed to google for "site:bugs.launchpad.net  clusterf**k as quoted in 'Burn After Reading'"?
[09:00] <cwillu_> I'm not trying to be evasive, but you're not giving me anything to go on
[09:00] <bwallum> 301755, 354620,172654,210016, 250059,269585,272628....all the way to 475
[09:00] <cwillu_> if they're all duplicates, then they should be marked as duplicates.  If they're all separate issues, then are you _really_ experiences _each_ one of those bugs?
[09:02] <cwillu_> hell, the first one you listed has already been marked as "fix released"
[09:02] <bwallum> I have a running 32bit Jaunty that was last updated 3 days ok. That is fine. Since then AMD64 Karmic and 32bit generic Jaunty have all been affected. Can't play dvds or CDs, very clippy sound on both.
[09:03] <cwillu_> okay, that's _not_ the first bug you listed
[09:03] <cwillu_> can you find a bug that is specifically the issue that you're seeing?
[09:05] <bwallum> OK I give in, I'll read all the bugs and come back next month when I've finished doing that.
[09:06] <cwillu_> ...
[09:06] <cwillu_> start by filing a bug with your issue, there's people who spend their time figuring out what bugs are duplicates of others
[09:07] <cwillu_> but it's ludicrous to come in here with a list of 245 bugs that you claim to experience, and then when challenged on that to reply "well, I don't know, I didn't actually _read_ those bugs"
[09:07] <cwillu_> speaking as a volunteer, with no official standing :p
[09:07]  * Dr_Willis is just an innocent bystander
[09:07]  * cwillu_ huggles Dr_Willis, and bwallum
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> actually i cant rember the last time i played an actual dvd, or music cd.
[09:08]  * topyli gets Dr_Willis involved, sits back and enjoys
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> i rarely even burn dvd/cd thse days
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. if i took out the optical drive.. i could fit in another 1+TB hard drive...
[09:08] <cwillu_> not that it matters, no single person uses every supported feature
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> But i DID get the 3d part of the Chess program working!
[09:09] <cwillu_> but like, he listed 7 bugs, and none of them even talk about cd drives :)
[09:09] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, kinda a let down once you actually see it, eh? :)
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> cwillu_: Some day I'll convince somebody to use every feature just to prove you wrong.
[09:10] <cwillu_> tonyyarusso, too late, I'm systematically working through it, and so have a 3 year headstart :p
[09:10] <topyli> cwillu_, you've been tasked with a high-level job now. "there are bugs in jaunty, please fix them"
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> bah
[09:10] <topyli> now get on it!
[09:10] <topyli> err, karmic
[09:11] <cwillu_> topyli, currently working on bug ######: line6-usb-source doesn't support Line6 Studio-UX2 devices
[09:11] <topyli> good, good
[09:12] <cwillu_> god, one of those bugs was in a ppa build for <foo> sake!
[09:13] <cwillu_> heh, yep, he just clicked on 'pulseaudio', which currently has 475 known bugs :)
[09:13] <cwillu_> which isn't bad actually
[09:13] <cwillu_> apparently 'searching' wasn't called for :p
[09:13] <cwillu_> can somebody distract me?  this is eating at me too much :p
[09:13] <nonix4> is ltsp-server-standalone not depending on xterm a bug?
[09:14] <commander_> is there any way to install the themes like turrican blue and hanso
[09:14] <cwillu_> nonix4, I don't know for sure, but I think the images used with ltsp are built up completely separately from ltsp-server-standalone
[09:14] <cwillu_> i.e., you can use it without having an x server installed, and so having the x clients installed isn't necessary
[09:15] <nonix4> cwillu_: images built seem proper, but they cannot log in without server having some installed as well
[09:15] <cwillu_> </I think>
[09:15] <cwillu_> nonix4, that doesn't sound right, they would be using the xterm in the image (which is built for their arch), not the tools on the server's root (which may not be)
[09:16] <cwillu_> thanks for the distraction btw :)
[09:20] <iceroot> anyone running karmic with vbox 3.06 succesfully? at login, gdm is restarting every 3-4 seconds (like when you install a wrong vga-driver)
[09:21] <jbicha> iceroot: what graphics card do you have?
[09:21] <iceroot> jbicha: dont know what vbox is using atm
[09:22] <jbicha> vbox works for me, but what is the graphics hardware for your host computer?
[09:22] <iceroot> jbicha: geforce 7900gs but it does not matter what my host is using (imo)
[09:22]  * nonix4 thinks he'll file a bug report, regardless of not being sure which one is the actual bug there...
[09:23] <jbicha> I'm having significant trouble with my geforce card
[09:23] <cwillu_> nonix4, always a safe bet :)
[09:24] <iceroot> jbicha: but vbox is not giving a geforce to the machine. its giving the vbox-vga to the machine. so it does not matter if the host is using nvidia, ati, intel or something else
[09:24] <cwillu_> nonix4, that said, do you understand what I mean about the binaries on the server being unrelated to the binaries the client uses?
[09:24] <cwillu_> iceroot, does vbox have some gl passthrough feature now though?
[09:24] <cwillu_> that could expose some weirdness now that we do compositing tricks
[09:24] <iceroot> cwillu_: yes (you have to activate). its working fine with doom3, serious sam2 and so on
[09:27] <cwillu_> nonix4, where I might be confused is that I was under the impression that edubuntu/ltsp exposes a root filesystem for the clients which run most of their apps locally against an nfs mounted root.  This could be mistaken, and all the applications are actually running on the server connecting to just an xserver on the client over an ssh encrypted link or whatever, but I don't think that's the default
[09:30] <AlanBell> @ping
[09:30] <Ian_> @pong
[09:30] <Ian_> msn updated their protocolagain?
[09:31] <AlanBell> ah, thanks. Wrong channel, but at least I know it is working now :-)
[09:31] <Ian_> pidign/empathy doesnt seem to feel like connecting
[09:31] <Ian_> AlanBell: what is working? :p
[09:31] <AlanBell> irssi
[09:31] <nonix4> hrm, Karmic Alpha 6 -> Beta kernel upgrade seems to have left lvm out of initramfs, ouch...
[09:33] <AlanBell> ah, I wasn't identified to NickServ
[09:34] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[09:34] <Ian_> bullgard: ?
[09:35] <Ian_> ah pidgin connected now
[09:35] <Ian_> nvm :)
[09:35] <bullgard> Ian_: Your message is cryptic. Would you mind to talki to me in plain English?
[09:35] <bullgard> s/talki/talk/
[09:37] <der_schreiner> hello
[09:38] <Ian_> hmm
[09:38] <Ian_> maybe
[09:38] <Ian_> :p
[09:38] <bullgard> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux'. Where can one see from this output that I am using the Karmic Beta release?
[09:38] <der_schreiner> had you all any problems with the new updates?
[09:38] <mortal> nice, ibm t43 is a very good laptop
[09:39] <bullgard> mortal: Yes, it is.
[09:39] <mortal> I have mine with a 1400x1050 screen, bought it used for 200 eur :>
[09:40] <bullgard> mortal: I paid 280 EUR but it has got a new hard disk of 160 GB.
[09:41] <mortal> I should get a new disk, the last sectors are bad
[09:41] <mortal> but it works still :b, I don't use those sectors on any partition
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> i just upgraded my hd to 500gb :)
[09:43] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:43] <eagles0513875> how hard are the update servers getting slammed today
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> hmm. first update/upgrade on a new inwstall and 'ubuntu-desktop' is being held back.. Why would a meta-package be held back?
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  they been  slow but accessable to me right now.
[09:44] <stuart_> Can someone help with a "no sound" problem in Larmic?
[09:44] <der_schreiner1> ch mirror works fine for me
[09:44] <SKB> is karmic beta now?
[09:44] <stuart_> Karmic
[09:44] <stuart_> yes SKB
[09:44] <joaopinto> skath_, read the topic
[09:45] <eagles0513875> SKB: yes it is has been since thursday
[09:45] <joaopinto> ops, skb
[09:45] <der_schreiner1> Karmic is beta since 3 days
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> 3 days of the servers being overloaded. :)
[09:45] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: there has to be an easier way to do updates instead of downloding big chunks like today
[09:45] <der_schreiner1> lol
[09:45] <eagles0513875> 318mb of packages for 229 upgrades
[09:45] <iflema> 1 2 miss a few
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> its 5 am, in the usa.. so switch to the american servers.
[09:46] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: question i have no sound what so ever would i need to recompile alsa or phonon
[09:46] <eagles0513875> or what ever the new default is
[09:46] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, there is, and they are workingon it, differential updates
[09:46] <eagles0513875> i remember hearing something about improving the updates
[09:46] <joaopinto> they are not implemented yet
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  if your  alsa dosent support your card. you would need to update alsa i guess...
[09:47] <stuart_> i have no sound at all either
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> has sound EVER worked?
[09:47] <eagles0513875> i can wait to get back on osx just have some java programming but can do other things
[09:47] <stuart_> haa haa
[09:47] <der_schreiner1> i hope the time will come we get diff packages, who only god the changes to the last ;)
[09:47] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: on my duel boot with osx and karmic on boot camp partition no it hasnt but on a vm it has
[09:47] <stuart_> does on Debian for me
[09:47] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apt-sync
[09:47] <cwillu_> bullgard, have you apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'd?
[09:47] <imachine> sup
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  i would check the forums for your specific apple machine. Ive little experience with ubuntu on apple hardware
[09:48] <imachine> upgrading from 9.04, the installer sort of stalls at the point where it's "cleaning up"
[09:48] <imachine> is taht normal?
[09:48] <ripps> holy ****, I just got 152 package upgrades!
[09:48]  * Dr_Willis has an apple PPC thats a good doorstop
[09:48] <imachine> it's been going with high HD activity for the past 10 minutes.
[09:48] <eagles0513875> hahah Dr_Willis they have changed tremendously
[09:48] <imachine> like if it is searching for something, but it seems that it's not doing anything ;/
[09:48] <eagles0513875> dont get me started with boot ups and shut downs lol
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> ripps:  yea. i noticed a lot of updates now also.
[09:48] <SKB> The system user `messagebus' already exists. Exiting.
[09:48] <SKB> Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: The maximum number of active connections for UID 0 has been reached
[09:48] <SKB> dpkg: error processing dbus (--configure):
[09:48] <SKB> ugh
[09:48] <imachine> no effects at least.
[09:48] <SKB> halp?
[09:48] <eagles0513875> !paste | SKB
[09:48] <stuart_> so can anyone try help with lack of sound
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> ive rararely had sound issues.. so ive not much experience with fixing sound.
[09:49] <eagles0513875> im in teh same department as u Dr_Willis
[09:49] <joaopinto> SKB, that looks bad, serch for a bug report on launchpad, or report it
[09:49] <joaopinto> search
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> #1 q. would be has sound in linux ever worked for the machine.
[09:50] <imachine> any ideas with the stalling installer/updater?
[09:50] <stuart_> Dr_Willis yes
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> i only do 'clean' installs. :) so sorry - cant help there imachine
[09:50] <imachine> or is taht normal, wow, firefox 3,5...
[09:50] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: on my mac no but on win machines it does out of the box
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> there was a bit of a quirk where the mute would stay on... i need to see if that got fixed.
[09:51] <ripps> Boy am I glad I changed my sources to a more locally mirror repository
[09:51] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, have you checked alsamixer ?
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> ripps:  yep. i did also.. lot faster now.
[09:52] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, do you get an error, or you simply don't get any sound ?
[09:52] <joaopinto> I had some issues with pulse on karmic
[09:53] <stuart_> joapinto yes - nothing muted etc.
[09:53] <joaopinto> stuart, was sound working on jaunty ?
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> I have no sound problems at all.. ive noticed teh mixer applet being quirky. me and some other guys filed a bug on it about 3 days ago
[09:54] <stuart_> joapinto: didn't use it, but it has worked on earlier versions of Ubunti. Currently using Debian stable for which it works
[09:54] <joaopinto> ok
[09:54] <joaopinto> stuart, clearn install or upgrade ?
[09:54] <stuart_> clean
[09:55] <joaopinto> disclaimer: I don't know much about sound troublehshooting, just trying to help :P
[09:55] <stuart_> no prob
[09:55] <joaopinto> stuart_, do you get any sound on on the login screen ?
[09:55] <joaopinto> before logging in
[09:56] <stuart_> no sound at any time
[09:56] <joaopinto> aplay -l , lists your card ?
[09:56] <bullgard> cwillu_: No. I used System > Administration > Upodate Manager.
[09:56] <cwillu_> bullgard, k, same thing
[09:57] <bullgard> cwillu_: No sir. This is not the same thing.
[09:57] <cwillu_> bullgard, if it says you have no updates after you hit 'check', then you're actually past the beta
[09:57] <cwillu_> yse, as far as I'm concerned right now, it's exactly the same thing
[09:57] <joaopinto> bullgard, tecnhically it's the same thing :P
[09:57] <bullgard> cwillu_: I agree.
[09:57] <nonix4> how do I do the equivalent of "tar tzvf" for initrd.img-2.6.31-11-server?
[09:57] <joaopinto> stuart_, pastebin aplay -l
[09:57] <stuart_> yes versus the little sound thing on the toolbar which simply lists "envy24 card" -- presumably from the envy24 software driver
[09:58] <stuart_> joapinto: how do I use pastbin
[09:58] <joaopinto> nonix4, I believe initrd is a loopback image
[09:58] <joaopinto> !pastebin | stuart_
[09:58] <bullgard> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux'. Where can one see from this output that I am using the Karmic Beta release?
[09:58] <cwillu_> stuart_, apt-get install pastebinit, and then aplay -l | pastebinit
[09:58] <joaopinto> erm, i mean, is an image which you can loopback mount
[09:58] <cwillu_> bullgard, I don't want to answer your question, because it doesn't mean what I think you think it means :)
[09:58] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> I still cant understand why 'ubuntu-desktop' is held back.. but i can 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' and it basically installs a single lib, then installs ubuntu-desktop
[09:59] <joaopinto> bullgard, yes, if you got all the updates
[09:59] <cwillu_> the "beta" is the state of the archive at a particular point in time, that no longer exists except on the beta cd's themselves
[09:59] <cwillu_> if you've updated, then you're _newer_ than the beta
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> !info libgd2-noxpm
[09:59] <cwillu_> if you installed before the beta, then you're not
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> !info libgd2-xpm
[09:59] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, ubuntu-desktop is held because it adds/removes packages, that will held metapackages
[09:59] <cwillu_> the only way you'll be running _exactly_ the beta is if you installed from the beta cd, and haven't applied any updates
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  it even was being held with a dist-upgrade
[10:00] <Umeaboy> The beta causes my virtualbox to stop working.
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> aparently those 2 xpm libgd files were the issue
[10:00] <stuart_> joaopinto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284457/
[10:00] <Umeaboy> I think some updates removed dkms for some reason.
[10:00] <Umeaboy> Stupid if you ask me.
[10:00] <joaopinto> hum, that's a valid point, afaik dist-upgrade should had upgraded it
[10:00] <bullgard> cwillu_: "	<cwillu_>	the "beta" is the state of the archive at a particular point in time, that no longer exists except on the beta cd's themselves." <- Does the 'Beta' state reflect in the output of '~$ uname -a'?
[10:01] <cwillu_> bullgard, not as such, no
[10:01] <wekt> nonix4, joaopinto:   initrd are cpio archives, not tar.  alternatively it can be some kind of loopback image i think.  but cpio is more common because more compact.
[10:01]  * Dr_Willis wonders what libgd2 need to have a xpm and noxpm version
[10:01] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, they didn't for me, so there is some problem specific to you, if that was the case
[10:01] <bullgard> cwillu_: Ah, I see.
[10:01] <cwillu_> bullgard, you could tell from the particular kernel version that you're around that time, but that's about the best you could do
[10:01] <bullgard> cwillu_: Ok.
[10:01] <Ian_> Umeaboy: sometimes, updates are broken and if you look at the updates, it will tell you what it will remove
[10:01] <nonix4> wekt: 'k... I guess http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug is what I was looking for :)
[10:02] <Ian_> just wait a few hours and the update will be fixed and nothing will be removed
[10:02] <joaopinto> wekt,  ok :)
[10:02] <Umeaboy> Yeah, but most of 'em are in English & I prefer to read in Swedish.
[10:02] <cwillu_> bullgard, the date in that line would be a clue I guess though :p
[10:02] <wekt> There is also doc shipped with Linux
[10:02] <bullgard> cwillu_: :-)
[10:03] <cwillu_> but you could selectively update only that kernel, without updating anything else, for whatever reason :p
[10:03] <Umeaboy> What's the command to completely remove KDE?
[10:03] <joaopinto> !puregnome
[10:03] <Umeaboy> sudo aptitude remove task-kde ?
[10:03] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[10:04] <bullgard> cwillu_: Because of that there are two switches for the uname command: 'uname -r' and 'uname -a'.
[10:04] <cwillu_> bullgard, kernel release isn't distro release
[10:04] <joaopinto> bullgard, there are more switchs: man uname
[10:05] <joaopinto> -a includes all the info
[10:05] <cwillu_> bullgard, lsb_release might be more useful
[10:06] <Umeaboy> I wonder why I get TWO versions of FF when I use the beta,
[10:06] <Umeaboy> ONE I can understand, but why TWO?
[10:06] <cwillu_> !info firefox
[10:07] <cwillu_> Umeaboy, define 'two'
[10:07] <cwillu_> (noting that 'firefox' is 'firefox-3.5'
[10:07] <Umeaboy> Two shortcuts.
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> Ijust have one here.
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> in the menus.
[10:07] <cwillu_> where, and to what paths, and on upgrade or on new install?
[10:07] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, did you upgrade or clean install ?
[10:08] <Umeaboy> Upgrade.
[10:08] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, so that's natrual, you had firefox-3.0 which was upgraded
[10:08] <joaopinto> and firefox-3.5 which is now the default
[10:08] <joaopinto> natural
[10:09] <cwillu_> joaopinto, you've met our right fielder?
[10:09] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Yes, but why wasn't the old one removed?
[10:10] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, because the upgrade can't assume you don't need firefox-3.0 anymore ?
[10:10] <joaopinto> cwillu_, sorry :) ?
[10:10] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Such a shame.
[10:10] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, e.g. I still need firefox-3.0 for some rare sites
[10:11] <Umeaboy> I DON'T.
[10:11] <cwillu_> joaopinto, I hit the ball to the third baseman, naturally, and he throws it to who
[10:11] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, so please remove it, a nd be polite
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I wonder which of the many grub config file/settings hides this grub menu on my new install....
[10:11] <joaopinto> cwillu_, oh, I am European, ignorant about baseball :P
[10:12] <eagles0513875> hhehe im from usa but styding out in europe
[10:12] <cwillu_> joaopinto, it's an old stand-up comedy routine;  look on youtube for "who's on first"
[10:12] <Umeaboy> I loooooooooooooooooooove baseball. Go Red Sox and NYG!
[10:12] <cwillu_> don't need to know a thing about the game :p
[10:12] <joaopinto> ah ok :)
[10:13] <alokito> joaopinto, what site can firefox 3.0 load that firefox 3.5 can't?
[10:13] <eagles0513875> GO HOUSTON ASTROS lol
[10:14] <joaopinto> alokito, any Lotus Forms 3.5.0 Based Site
[10:14] <joaopinto> which I use on a customer intranet
[10:15] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Link?
[10:15] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, I said, intranet
[10:15] <alokito> joaopinto, can u give an example?
[10:15] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[10:15] <cwillu_> joaopinto, I presume it's not just something that looks for a particular user-agent, and as such can be fixed by installing user-agent-switcher rather than a whole second browser? :p
[10:15] <alokito> oh ok
[10:16] <joaopinto> cwillu_, yes, that would also do it, but then I would have support people kicking me :)
[10:16] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[10:16] <Umeaboy> I wish I could complete the self-test when I've logged in.
[10:16] <joaopinto> .1 does add support for ff3.5 I believe, but intranet ppl have no need for such upgrades, IE is on the house :P
[10:16] <Umeaboy> It fails all the time.
[10:16] <joaopinto> bullgard, better ask on #telepathy
[10:17] <Umeaboy> joaopinto: Have you tried using the intranet in Midori?
[10:17] <bullgard> joaopinto: Thank you for this advice.
[10:17] <joaopinto> Umeaboy, no, I don't use exhotic browsers :)
[10:18] <Umeaboy> Booooooy, does it load fast!
[10:19] <Umeaboy> Yaaaaay!
[10:19] <joaopinto> reboot to test fglrx
[10:22] <joaopinto> seems fine
[10:23] <joaopinto> time to get a 3D game for real testing
[10:23] <eagles0513875> heheh joaopinto good luck
[10:23] <eagles0513875> hehe would love to work on a gaming specific distro targeting gamers
[10:24] <eagles0513875> and game devs
[10:24] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, why would you need a distro for that ?
[10:24] <joaopinto> there are several gamers related projects on ubuntu
[10:25] <eagles0513875> true joaopinto thing is you have something like ubuntu studio which targets multimedia buffs whats wrong with a distro dedicated to gamers and game devs
[10:25] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, well, good point :P
[10:25] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:26] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, so just build it :P
[10:26] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: where to start lol
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> how about a distro focused on IRC addicts
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> :P
[10:26] <joaopinto> I almost started a usb play pen idea
[10:26] <joaopinto> but it's too much work
[10:26] <topyli> i think we have those, Dr_Willis
[10:27] <Dr_Willis> just getting the video drivers is the biggest issue with a 'gamer' edition
[10:27] <joaopinto> I would just take the pen to all those windows kids and show them how to play without %$&%$$&%$%$ their parents computers
[10:28] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, well, not that hard, you could decide to ship the vendor drivers
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> take it and show them how they can web surf special sites.. and err.. not be tracked..
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  thats not exactly allowable is it?  i though that was why ubuntu dosent incluced them on the cd/dvd but other 'under the radar disrtos ' do
[10:28] <joaopinto> but it would need to be a persistent usb, for record keeping
[10:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, that is argueable, some projects choose to distribute it on media
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> argueable untill the lawyers get into it. :)
[10:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: the problem i c is for instance with alpha 5 i had issues with x not starting as soon as i installed the driver from nvidia and i had x. the problem is with ubuntu at least there are no updates to the drivers if new versions are releasd at leat until the next release
[10:29] <Unggnu> hi all
[10:29] <eagles0513875> !hi | Unggnu
[10:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, which would result in it being legal, or not
[10:30] <Unggnu> Has anyone also problems with the Remote Desktop that you can't use the mouse until the user in front of the remote system does something?
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> The persistant live/flash thing i tried last time. i installed teh nvidia drivers.. but it dident 'remember/use' them when i rebooted.I had to alter rc.local to make a proper xorg.conf to use the nvidia drivers.
[10:31] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: ya its not a uncommon the user on the desktop has to accept ur remote connection
[10:31] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: no, not the box
[10:31] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: you actually get connected but can't click on anything. Afaik I have disabled user confirmation
[10:31] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: strange i havent tried that out in karmic
[10:32] <imachine> wow
[10:32] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: for starters where would one find out how to setup their own package repository if ones creating their own distro
[10:32] <imachine> karmic's great, so far
[10:32] <imachine> :)
[10:32] <eagles0513875> :)
[10:32] <eagles0513875> ya lots of updates for kubuntu at least
[10:32] <imachine> looks real good in gnome too
[10:32] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, you could use a PPA for that
[10:32] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: it is but I had a similar problem with Windows Vista some tim ago
[10:33] <imachine> so far it really looks a milestone :)
[10:33] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[10:33] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: ok so then i would need to change the repos to point at my ppa
[10:33] <joaopinto> yes
[10:33] <cwillu_> !remix | eagles0513875
[10:33] <cwillu_> awww
[10:33] <Unggnu> eagles0513875: now it is working, maybe it has something to do with the viewer
[10:33] <joaopinto> and I guess you would want to remaster the iso
[10:33] <eagles0513875> Unggnu: its possible
[10:33] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, "ubuntu remix" is the magic google query
[10:33] <eagles0513875> joaopinto: ya that too
[10:33] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, well, you want a new distro, a new cd I guess, not just a repository
[10:34] <DanaG> hmm, is ext4 considered "stable" enough to use actually ON a backup drive, nowadays?
[10:34] <joaopinto> there are already game specialized repositories
[10:34] <eagles0513875> ok cwillu_ and joaopinto and yes to that as well
[10:34] <eagles0513875> DanaG: im using it on my duel boot and have no problems with ext4
[10:34] <joaopinto> DanaG, ext4 is considered "stable" for any purpose, just not as stable as ext3
[10:34] <cwillu_> DanaG, the data format and related has been considered stable for quite some time
[10:34] <DanaG> I have my main partition ext4, but my drive-full-of-backups is ext3.
[10:34] <DanaG> Would there be significant benefit to making the drive-full-of-backups be ext4?
[10:35] <cwillu_> that said, a backup drive won't really see much benefit from ext4 (or ext3 even)
[10:35] <cwillu_> being that it's typically not performance critical
[10:35] <joaopinto> DanaG, no, unless you depend on your backups speed
[10:35] <cwillu_> don't know that you'd get much speed benefit for simple copying
[10:35] <Umeaboy> I don't know if this is an issue with Ubuntu as a whole system or if it's just an issue for the browser, but Opera & Midori doesn't show an already started video unless I scroll up & down.
[10:36] <Umeaboy> The video plays, but the picture of the video isn't drawn.
[10:36] <Umeaboy> Anybody experienced that?
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: do you have flash installed?
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> Hmm midori.. whats that
[10:36] <iflema> :)
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: lightweigh web browser
[10:36] <Umeaboy> ActionParship: Yes.
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: you running 64bit ubuntu?
[10:37] <eagles0513875> cwillu_:  which out of this is what u trying to get at http://www.google.com.mt/search?q=ubuntu+remix&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[10:37] <Umeaboy> Nope. 32-bits.
[10:37] <DanaG> Well, it's eSATA, anyway.  The laptop drive (~70-80MB/s) is the limit.  The external drive can do around 100 MB/s.
[10:37] <Umeaboy> I don't have this problem in FF or Epiphany.
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: ok thats cool, have you tried without the desktop effects?
[10:37] <DanaG> Or rather, 90.
[10:38] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, I don't have a working browser right now, but an ubuntu remix is the standard way of making a new distro based on ubuntu;  you're looking for an *.ubuntu.com page on that query
[10:38] <Umeaboy> ActionParship: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. They ARE off.
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: have you symlinked the flashplugin fle to the opera plugin folder?
[10:38] <DanaG> I use faubackup, which does hardlinks of unchanged files.
[10:38] <eagles0513875> ok cwillu_
[10:38] <Umeaboy> ActionParnip: Nope.
[10:38] <Umeaboy> What can I do?
[10:39] <eagles0513875> cwillu_: im only finding stuff bout netbook and all that
[10:40] <cwillu_> eagles0513875, so, modify the query
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: sudo find / -iname "opera*" | grep plug
[10:40] <eagles0513875> cwillu_: think i found it :)
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: when you see a likely folder, press ctrl+c then jump into that folder and make the link
[10:40] <eagles0513875> forget google in this case and head to the source
[10:41] <eagles0513875> omg 2 hrs to download 330mb of updates
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !sow | eagles0513875
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> !slow
[10:41] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i am running updates im on alpha 6 already just updating lol
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: so is everybody else, hence slow
[10:42] <eagles0513875> i hear ya
[10:42] <eagles0513875> i can only imagine on release day omg
[10:42] <eagles0513875> lol
 Make the link?
[10:43] <Umeaboy> It's finished now.
[10:43] <bullgard> Empathy > Contact List > Help > Debug reports: "empathy/Account-DEBUG: 1.254544e+09: account_manager_name_owner_cb: Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager, new name: :1.67." What does  the message »Name owner changed for org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager« mean?
[10:45] <wzssyqa> how can i install a gdm theme?
[10:45] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Drag it into gdm-manager window.
[10:45] <topyli> my wireless connection is now 54Mb/s. it used to be more like 5 or so
[10:45] <wzssyqa> um
[10:46] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: What?
[10:46] <topyli> or 10Mb, i forget. wonderful how quickly you forget bad things
[10:46] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: how can i start gdm-manager?
[10:46] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: System->Settings->Appearence.
[10:47] <Umeaboy> Download themes from gnome-look-org or kde-look.org
[10:47] <topyli> actually, system/administration/login window
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: yes, in that folder, create a symlink to libflashplayer.so
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Err..is gdm in 9.10 even themeable at all?
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Last i looked the themes for  the older gdm dident work
[10:47] <Umeaboy> ActionParsnip: Create a symlink? How?
[10:47] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, it's a rewrite, themes would have to be rewritten, but it is themable
[10:48] <Umeaboy> Create a copy of that file?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> Just no themes for it right now cwillu_  ?
[10:48] <topyli> Dr_Willis, apparently not. no such options in the GUI
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> ive seen people in here mention running the gnome-settings tools as the 'gdm' user to tweak things.. but that goofed some things up here
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Umeaboy: sudo ln -s /path/to/libflahplayer.so .
[10:48] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, there's two that I know of, the brown, and the black :p
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I need a Hot Pink theme!
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I got a Hot Pink netbook
[10:49] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: is it gdmsetup?
[10:49] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, start with xsplash
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> best way to custmoize xplash i find is... 'sudo apt-get remove xsplash'
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:49] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Yeah.
[10:50] <wzssyqa> ume
[10:50] <cwillu_> Dr_Willis, okay, um, you can go hang out with all the pulseaudio 'troubleshooters' in #ubuntu now :p
[10:50] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: but my gdmsetup is like this http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/45257
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> Actually - i rarely have ssues with pulse audio
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:50] <Trewas> the new black gdm theme is indeed extremely black, the problem with dark themes is that whether anything is visible depends heavily how the screen brightness etc are set
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: +1 :)
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> for spash stuf
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Im still trying to figure out what grub setting is hiding the menu...
[10:52] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: with it,i can not install gdm theme
[10:52]  * cwillu_ huggles, his remote backup ran before his machine died last night even though its local backup died as well
[10:53] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: What the *BEEP* are YOU running? That's not Gnome.
[10:53] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: yes,it is gnome 2.28
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> I really find these wallpapers/backgrounds with gradients look horriable.. all blocky dithering/unsmooth.. id rather just see a simple solid brown then this smear..
[10:57] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: Have you installed english language as well?
[10:57] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: no
[10:57] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: i will try
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. new install on my nvidia based laptop.. and the hardware-driver tool dident pop up to suggest the nvidia driver, or the sta (or b43) driver for my wireless..
[10:59] <joaopinto> ok, fglrx+fullscreen working great
[11:00] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what make of b43 you got
[11:00] <eagles0513875> i have a b4322 in my mac and the proprietary one was already installed out of the box
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i always nistall the 190 driver anyway, jockey is worthless to me
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> yea - i just saw it had b42 or 'sta' as options fo rwireless.. i raely use th ewireless
[11:03] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: i am back
[11:03] <Umeaboy> I can see that. :)
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> doh....
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> edited the grub /etc/default/grub  but frogot to run update-grub
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> gee.. remindes me of the old LILO days
[11:04] <wzssyqa> Umeaboy: here http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/45258
[11:05] <Umeaboy> wzssyqa: I gotta go.
[11:10] <trask1> hello koalas
[11:11] <trask1> totem is acting up and wont play video, anyone got a fix?
[11:11] <alokito> trask1, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[11:12] <joaopinto> that must be specific to your video format or your system, it's playing fine here
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> Ive had  such bad luck with Totem in the past.. first thing i do is install vlc and gnome-mplayer.
[11:12] <trask1> alokito: yeah its installed
[11:12] <andguen1> +1 to vlc
[11:12] <alokito> Dr_Willis, trask1 I have no problem with totem
[11:13] <alokito> trask1, whats format are you trying to play? can you play other formats than that?
[11:14] <alokito> what* file format
[11:14] <trask1> gnome-mplayer sounds like worth a try, vlc have given me loads and loads of headaches in the past and is about as antismooth as mediaplayers get
[11:14] <trask1> mp4 mostly so far
[11:14] <alokito> trask1, kaffeine is my favorite, u can give it a try
[11:15] <alokito> or if you want something with simple and clean interface there's dragon player
[11:17] <trask1> gnome-mplayer looks smooth enough :)
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> trask1: mplayer works wonderfully, people always overlook it even though its probably one of the oldest
[11:17] <trask1> yeah only player i used back on slackware was kmplayer, just gets the job done
[11:25] <baron86> i want to update to the latest KDE.. does anyone know which repositories to use and how to update?
[11:26] <trask1> reminds me, whats with the new login screen? thers no menu to choose window manager
[11:26] <trask1> openbox ftw :P
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. i thouight there was at the bottom right.
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> click on a name . then the menus appear to select a se4ssion
[11:28] <nonix4> hmm, apt-get dist-upgrade on an lvm-root system removes lvm2 - where should a bug about this be filed?
[11:30] <trask1> Dr_Willis: ill give it a try once im logged out again, figured it had to be something like that, it guessed openbox after a few tries though, as if its getting intelligent
[11:30] <tormod> nonix4, try to figure out which other package wants to get rid of lvm2
[11:30] <tormod> nonix4, but file it on lvm2 otherwise
[11:32] <cdE|Woozy> it seems that you can't click a gtk-button twice without moving the mouse a bit after clicking on the button the first time, can anyone confirm that?
[11:33] <nonix4> tormod: well, does dist-upgrade keep logs of what it does? Since I don't have a snapshot of the initial state...
[11:34] <baron86> hello there.. I use karmic koala kubuntu 9.10 and have problem with the kde 4.3.1 its like i am missing some features.. Does anyone know that issue?
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> baron86:  could be they got trimmed out to fit all on a cd.. check the pcakge manager  for other kde packages you may want to install
[11:38] <baron86> suppose they should releasse a DVD ?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> I dont see that happening any time soon.
[11:40] <robin0800> baron86: if you can download the cd you can also download the packages you need as well
[11:40] <baron86> i am new in here and dont know whick packages to select..
[11:41] <James147> baron86: looking for the right ones now :)
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> 'missing some features' dosent really narrow it down :)
[11:41] <baron86> xaxa its okie.. i am reqading whattt everything does.. :P
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> You proberly want 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' if using KDE for starters.
[11:44] <zj3t3mju> anyone report about can't double click to install deb file yet?
[11:45] <tormod> nonix4, there is always /var/log/dpkg.log. But I was thinking you could just try upgrading single (or groups) of packages until you find the lvm2 conflict
[11:45] <Boohbah> sudo apt-get install akregator amarok amarok-common apport-qt ark cdrdao dolphin dontzap dragonplayer exiv2 foomatic-db-gutenprint gdebi-kde gnupg-agent gtk2-engines-qtcurve gwenview hpijs-ppds ijsgutenprint install-package jockey-kde k3b k3b-data kaddressbook kamera kate kde-icons-oxygen kde-printer-applet kde-style-qtcurve kde-window-manager kde-zeroconf kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-plasma kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-run
[11:45] <tormod> nonix4, to start with you can do "upgrade", it will hold back those upgrades that tries to add/remove other packages
[11:46] <Boohbah> sorry for the flood everyone :(
[11:47] <robin0800> all the times and dates are missing from the log files
[11:48] <imachine> ok
[11:48] <imachine> 2 issues:
[11:48] <imachine> with pidgin, the OSD gets misplaced
[11:49] <robin0800> just checked its the viewer its stripping them out
[11:49] <imachine> I get info too low, the osd is not aligned with the top bar
[11:49] <imachine> another thing: how can I set the log in/out menu on the top right
[11:49] <imachine> so I have a small neat icon instead of a username displayed there?
[11:49] <robin0800> imachine: your right its not and hasn't been for awhile
[11:49] <imachine> it was possible earlier in 9.04 :)
[11:50] <imachine> robin0800, you mean the osd or the icon?
[11:51] <robin0800> imachine: if I have two the one is at the top
[11:51] <eagles0513875> stupid question here can libs be compiled from source
[11:51] <James147> baron86: try installing plasma-wallpapers-addons
[11:52] <imachine> robin0800, huh?
[11:52] <imachine> robin0800, you mean the osd right?
[11:52] <robin0800> imachine: yes
[11:53] <imachine> is it possible to make pidin not show it's icon if I use the indicator-applet ?
[11:54] <imachine> I can live without indicator-applet
[11:54] <imachine> but I'd like indicator-applet-session to be able to iconify properly
[11:55] <imachine> instead of displaying the full username and taking up useful taskbar space
[11:56] <yofel> imachine: pidgin should have an option to always/somtimes/never show the icon in its settings
[11:56] <cdE|Woozy> gönau
[11:56] <cdE|Woozy> oops
[11:58] <baron86> I suppose that i will install anything saying 4.3.1
[12:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[12:01] <eagles0513875> why you say that baron86
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> !info traysaver
[12:01] <eagles0513875> !trysaver
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. theres some tool that can minimize things to the systemtray
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> !info alltray
[12:03] <baron86> i am sorry but my KPackageKit allways has problems...
[12:04] <eagles0513875> baron86: use command line whats the name of the package you want to install
[12:05] <vistakiller> any plan to fix the bug with flash player
[12:05] <baron86> thats not that easy for me
[12:06] <vistakiller> the buttons dont response
[12:07] <bullgard4> What IRC channel is there to discuss Gajim?
[12:07] <James147> baron86: kde-full will install all kde packages, or you can browes its dependances and install teh individual compoents
[12:07] <baron86> how do i use this command?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> anyone noticed transmission not showing all the 'torrents' its downloading. active button shows None. but eventually it does show them all.
[12:09] <James147> baron86: sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> !resetgnome
[12:13] <baron86> okie its okie now..
[12:13] <baron86> is there anything relevant to plasma?
[12:13] <baron86> sudo aptitude install plasma-full?
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search plasma
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> and see whats there
[12:13] <James147> baron86: plasma-addons
[12:14] <James147> baron86: sorry ^^ kdeplasma-addons
[12:14] <baron86> okie.. i suppose everything is updated..
[12:15] <eagles0513875> this is messed up
[12:15] <eagles0513875> over wifi on a vm im getting better speeds downloading updates then when i was on the actual partition itself
[12:16] <baron86> It still doesnt have the option plasma settings :(
[12:17] <James147> baron86: you might need to logout and back in
[12:17] <James147> baron86: or restart palsma-desktop
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> reboot :) oh wait.. thats for #windows
[12:23] <amortvigil> why is this inpossible? sudo ln /home/evan/Documenten/webdev/ /var/www/
[12:23] <eagles0513875> amortvigil: you wanting to copy whats in there to /var/www
[12:24] <amortvigil> eagles0513875, i want a symbolic link
[12:24] <eagles0513875> ln -s
[12:24] <eagles0513875> that should sym link it
[12:24] <amortvigil> eagles0513875, ahhh thanks
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> 99% of the time you want ln -s :)
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hehe no problem m8
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hehe Dr_Willis
[12:24] <eagles0513875> :) helping in here makes me feel good :)
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[12:28] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: not only that it makes me feel better bout my lpic 1 certification
[12:28]  * Dr_Willis is certifiably insane
[12:28] <eagles0513875> hehe
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> and i imagine it will get worse on the 29th :)
[12:31] <mjbrooks> 4:30 am...
[12:31]  * mjbrooks ponders sleep
[12:34] <andguen1> 4:30 was when I got up :)
[12:36] <mjbrooks> bah... I've been on a coding bender
[12:36] <Gekz> howdy
[12:37] <Gekz> I have an issue. I cannot put a panel on the bottom of the screen
[12:37] <Gekz> it simply moves to the top
[12:37] <Gekz> below the top panel
[12:37] <Gekz> and changes itself to "top"
[12:37] <Gekz> similar thing was happening with avant-window-navigator, so I didntu se it
[12:37] <Gekz> but now, the panel is doing it too
[12:37] <Gekz> awn did the same thing on 9.04 though
[12:37] <Gekz> so I didnt think anything of it until the gnome panel spat the same symptoms
[12:37] <Gekz> it's an eeepc 1005ha using the intel drivers
[12:39] <Gekz> .. any ideas?
[12:39] <Gekz> lol
[12:39] <dv-> the firefox flash plugin keeps crashing after a few hours. does anyone else get that?
[12:40] <dv-> i'll watch a youtube video, then come back two hours later and flash's stopped working and i have to restart firefox
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> given the other flash issies ive heeard of.. be glad it works for a few hours.
[12:45] <villewitt> Kyral: I have been running 9.10 since alpha 4 and my Nvidia drivers was auto recognized, installed and updated successfully.
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> ive herd of others mention a flash/firefox memory leaking issue.
[12:45] <jes__> I've uninstalled network manager and configured /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf manually. I get internet access through my gateway, but not dns. Any ideas?
[12:45] <dv-> Dr_Willis: :/ does it work in any other browser?
[12:46] <Crashbit> jes__: dhcp or static ip ?
[12:46] <villewitt> Kyral: Nvidia version: 173.14.20... It isn't the newest card though... Driver 173.14.20
[12:46] <jes__> Crashbit, static.
[12:46] <Gekz> lol why wont my freaking panel work
[12:47] <jes__> but the problem is resolving. Network is working fine.
[12:47] <Crashbit> jes__: paste your /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <jes__> Crashbit, 192.168.0.101... Oh. I'm supposed to have "nameserver 192.168.0.101"? :)
[12:48] <Crashbit> jes__: yes
[12:48] <Crashbit> :-)
[12:48] <jes__> haha, there you go :)
[12:48] <jes__> thanks! :)
[12:48] <Crashbit> :D
[12:49] <dupondje> could somebody help me getting SynCE 0.14 into Karmic :) would be nice if it was included
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> a little late to be adding in new packages :)
[12:50] <rsk> yep 2late now dupondje
[12:50] <jes__> think it's maybe a little late for that.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> i want weechat 3.0 but its was a few days too late
[12:50] <jes__> dupondje, make a ppa?
[12:50] <dupondje> its late indeed, but TO late ? :)
[12:51] <rsk> TO late
[12:51] <dupondje> k:p
[12:51] <dupondje> btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 should be really fixed
[12:51] <shiznebit> umm how do i set input audio to always be saved
[12:51] <shiznebit> after reset it goes back to regular input
[12:53] <jes__> shiznebit, what does that mean?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> thre is the pav control/mixers that might rember.
[12:53] <shiznebit> as in i have audio input through my webcam
[12:54] <shiznebit> after reset i have to to the spund properties to select again as the audio input
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> try the pavucontrol  tool perhaps?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> and pamam, and padevchooser
[12:55] <shiznebit> alright will try
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> those are more 'pulse audio' focused tools.  the normal gnome tools may be getting some defaults from those/settings?
[12:56]  * Dr_Willis isjust guessing
[12:56] <shiznebit> also if you go to language support, it asks you to input your root password.....but it doesnt work
[12:57] <shiznebit> i enter the pass and it says its wrong
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. it asks for the 'root' password?    or wha exactly?
[12:57] <shiznebit> yeah for root
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> a guy was in here earlier today with a gksudo issue wehre it dident work.. but 'sudo whateber' did work
[12:59] <shiznebit> ithink its gksudo
[12:59] <shiznebit> are you on karmic beta ?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> yes i am
[12:59] <shiznebit> goto language support
[12:59] <shiznebit> it should ask to install additional things and prompt for a pass
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> ok so the Installer part asks...
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> guy earlier had issues with synaptic doing a similer thing.
[13:00] <shiznebit> but it wont recongnize the pass
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> try system-> admin->login screen   see if that one asks/works.
[13:02] <mokmeister> Just wondering if the intel graphics problems have been fixed in 9.10
[13:02] <jes__> my language support just tells me to fix broken packages. But apt-get --fix-broken gives me a usage page, and synaptics fix broken packages doesn't seem to do anything.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> they have been getting worked on.. but i dont know if they are fixed or if others have replaced them. :)
[13:02] <shiznebit> weird it works now
[13:02] <jes__> mokmeister, yes.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:02] <mokmeister> Good to know
[13:03] <jes__> there are other problems though, so I wouldn't recommend upgrading unless you want a really fancy and broken system :)
[13:04] <mokmeister> lol! Something to keep in mind
[13:04] <shiznebit> so far i havent found much thats broken
[13:04] <shiznebit> its def much faster
[13:04] <mokmeister> Am downloading at the mo, will try on a test laptop
[13:04] <mokmeister> The intel graphics thing killed 9.04 for me
[13:04] <shiznebit> i kinda had to jump hoops to get libstc++5 on it
[13:05] <shiznebit> and then install sopcast
[13:05] <jes__> network-manager doesn't work properly. I cannot install languages. Several of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ doesn't work and their service counterparts doesn't either.
[13:05] <jes__> mokmeister, that's usually fixed by simply upgrading the kernel though.
[13:06] <shiznebit> oO
[13:06] <mokmeister> jes_ tried that, no joy
[13:06] <mokmeister> tried everything!
[13:06] <jes__> installing linux 2.6.30.5 removed all my problems with intel vga in jaunty.
[13:06] <yofel> jes__: network-manager works fine here (kde) languages are broken too but the upstart scripts work fine here
[13:07] <jes__> yofel, it's nm-applet that doesn't work.
[13:07] <shiznebit> well too bad im on karmic
[13:08] <yofel> jes__: ah, I remember somebody said yesterday that nm-applet config is broken, ok
[13:09] <shiznebit> whats the most critical bug atm ?
[13:09] <jes__> I'm upgrading upstart as we speak, though, so that might fix something maybe.
[13:10] <shiznebit> jes_ is ksplice avilable for karmic ?
[13:10] <jes__> shiznebit, rmadison is your friend.
[13:10] <shiznebit> ??
[13:11] <shiznebit> whats tat
[13:12] <yofel> shiznebit: 'rmadison ksplice' will tell you in which release the ksplice package exists
[13:12] <jes__> shiznebit, run rmadison <packagename>. It will show you which version of the package is included in the different releases and the different repos.
[13:13] <jes__> apt-file and rmadison are two tools I use a lot.
[13:14] <shiznebit> good to know
[13:16] <jes__> yes, they're very useful.
[13:17] <yofel> don't forget apt-cache
[13:17] <shiznebit> apt-cache whats that do ?
[13:17] <jes__> yes, and apt-cache.
[13:17] <shiznebit> apt-cacherng ?
[13:18] <yofel> shiznebit: queries the apt database, shows things like dependencies, installed version, repository, etc...
[13:18] <shiznebit> oh
[13:18] <Boohbah> are ubuntu mirrors throttled to 30K/s ?
[13:18] <Boohbah> or at least us.archive?
[13:18] <shiznebit> no
[13:18] <shiznebit> yeah
[13:18] <yofel> shiznebit: run 'apt-cache policy ksplice' as an example ;)
[13:18] <shiznebit> they are slow
[13:19] <mokmeister> quite slow...
[13:19] <JoshuaL> The following packages have been kept back:
[13:19] <JoshuaL>   ubuntu-desktop
[13:20] <JoshuaL> why would it keep back ubuntu-desktop?
[13:20] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: sudo apt-get dist-updgrade
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> i had to 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[13:20] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, then it still happens
[13:20] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, i will try that
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> theres some  xpm type lib vs a noxpm lib that is conflicting
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> ive had to do it on 2 machines in the last hour
[13:21] <JoshuaL> Dr_Willis, yeah its conflicting with it
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> i did a update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, then just 'install ubuntu-desktop'
[13:21] <JoshuaL> that did the trick :)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> i then danced a happy dance
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> or else your pc will explode
[13:24] <JoshuaL> lol
[13:24] <JoshuaL> 9.10 doesnt have the "this is it" feeling
[13:24] <JoshuaL> it feels like im missing something
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu 9.10 Nifty trick  #93 - plug in a external usb hard drive from a machine that had ubuntu (and/or windows) installed on it.. run update-grub. reboot and Bam - the new grub menu WILL show the os's on the extrenal usb hard drive.....
[13:24] <JoshuaL> no idea what
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Now thats a neat trick
[13:24] <JoshuaL> nice
[13:25] <JoshuaL> got a link for those tricks?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> i dident see how well it booted them
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> No.. I just made itup. :)
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> Thing to rember #5 for Ubuntu 9.10 - RERUN update-grub after changing the configs... rember the good old LILO days....
[13:26] <unlink> Hi, anyone good a troubleshooting boot options / flag problems?
[13:26] <yofel> unlink: it would help to know /what/ flag ;)
[13:27] <unlink> Ok this is one of those problematic dell Vostro's with the ACPI problem in 64 bit mode
[13:27] <jes__> hmm. Are the scripts in /etc/init.d not supposed to be used at all anymore? Where do I read about this change?
[13:27] <yofel> jes__: don't know where to read about it, but the script form /etc/init.d/ are being converted to upstart jobs in /etc/init/
[13:28] <unlink> I think I previously used acpi=off in the boot however the 9.x both 04 and 10 no longer are happy with this...
[13:30] <yofel> jes__: I found this on the beta release page: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure how the upstart 'changes' in 9.10 are different from 9.04.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> sudo service whatever start/stop/restart   still works
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> that upstart page really is for more advanced users then me. :)
[13:31] <yofel> Dr_Willis: I don't think they're different, just much more services were converted to upstart now
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> i cant think of any that were not updstart'ed  befor...
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> but who knows. :)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> ive had very few issues with upstart.
[13:32] <jes__> Dr_Willis, did that work in jaunty? :)
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> sudo service XXXXX has worked for ages.
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> people just never know about it,
[13:32] <jes__> hehe, ok. I thought that was just redhat.
[13:35] <jes__> yofel, thanks for the link.
[13:37] <Trewas> upstart was really enabled around alpha6, before that (including jaunty) it was just used as init replacement without using its native interface
[13:38] <shiznebit> what uvuntu one {or ?
[13:38] <jes__> yes, I remember reading about jaunty switching to upstart, but it didn' seem to affect me in any way, so I forgot to look closer into it.
[13:39] <yofel> shiznebit: file sharing, like dropbox (if you mean ubuntu one)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu One - is nifty
[13:44] <amortvigil> Dr_Willis, i find the beta more buddy than alpha 6
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. ubuntu one can share with people. :)
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> who wants to share.... :P
[13:55] <hnsr> trying to install updates though the update manager, but it's failing at some point, telling me "installArchives() failed", can't find anything for this on launcpad on this, so I'd like to file a bug, should this be filed against update-manager? I have a feeling that maybe its just one specific update failing to install, and maybe it's not appropriate to file it against the update manager itself, but I'm not sure where to look
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> servers are overloaded for many pepple at this time
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> try updating via command line. see if its just timing out
[13:56] <hnsr> ah, will give that a shot
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> You dont want to file a bug when its just server load.
[13:57] <hnsr> indeed
[13:57] <hnsr> i might file one for having such a vague error message about it if it was, though :p
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Ok. so we can all use ubuntu-one to set up a massive 'wallpaper' shared collection. ;)
[13:58] <nexsja> 'ello. Can anybody help me with this default IM issue. I've installed 9.10b today and noticed that my logout icon has changed
[13:59] <nexsja> as if i'd ran pidgin or that other IM that i've removed already >_<
[13:59] <nexsja> The question: how to get the old icon back and turn off the default im?
[13:59] <JoshuaL> sounds great Dr_Willis
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. i cant even chantge the wallpaper...
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> its not changeing
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> odd.
[14:00] <Crashbit> nexsja: don't use emphaty, use pidgin
[14:00] <nexsja> Crashbit, i don't wanna use any of those
[14:00] <nexsja> still, i think one of them is running
[14:01] <nexsja> oh, and for some reason Ubuntu One is crashing whenever i wanna run it :<
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> hmm. it dident crash here.
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> !info wallpaper-tray
[14:03] <nexsja> hm. Tried it the third time - works o_O
[14:03] <nexsja> weird
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> wallpaper-tray isent working for me however
[14:04] <tgpraveen> can anyone confirm whether or not palimpest disk utility is there in karmic by default or not?
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Im pretty sure it was here by default
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> when i first installed alpha4 ages ago it was there
[14:05] <ziroday> tgpraveen: its in by default
[14:05] <tgpraveen> yay! \o/
[14:05] <hnsr> well, i'm not sure what update-manager was doing, but `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade` seems to be proceeding without a hitch
[14:21] <JoshuaL> someone who knows if songbird will ever make it into the karmic repo's?
[14:23] <Boohbah> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/21032/
[14:23] <JoshuaL> thats about making it a default
[14:24] <spreadthelove> so uhhh... synaptic, themes, pidgin... lots of things are actually worse in the beta than the alpha
[14:24] <Boohbah> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Songbird
[14:25] <Boohbah> but i don't know why it's not in the ubuntu repos
[14:25] <Boohbah> it seems to be open-source
[14:25] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, there is no .deb for karmic
[14:26] <Boohbah> http://ppa.launchpad.net/songbird-daily/
[14:29] <JoshuaL> Boohbah, ty, wanna explain to me how that works?
[14:33] <JoshuaL> nvm found it already
[14:34] <Boohbah> https://launchpad.net/~songbird-daily/+archive/ppa
[14:34] <Boohbah> oops
[14:35] <Briffy> Hey guys, I picked up an Asus EeePC 1101HA netbook today and, naturally, decided to put Ubuntu on it. Decided to give the new beta a go but everytime I try to run the installation, I get as far as "setting Advanced Power Management level to 0xfe" and then nothing happens. Is there a way around this or am I better of just going with a stable release?
[14:37] <rsk> Briffy: tried any kernel options?
[14:37] <rsk> like noapic etc
[14:38] <Boohbah> noapic or noacpi may help
[14:38] <Briffy> Okay, I'll give it a go and see what results I get. Cheers! :P
[14:39] <Boohbah> JoshuaL:
[14:40] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: Latest updates
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah>       Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah>       Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah>     * songbird 22 hours ago
[14:40] <Boohbah> songbird   12 weeks ago - Failed to build
[14:40] <Boohbah> JoshuaL: maybe that's why it's not in the repos?
[14:40] <JoshuaL> works fine for me :)
[14:41] <Boohbah> excellent!
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> Ive had issues with the binary songbird even running
[14:41] <JoshuaL> to bad its the svn version ad the add-ons dont work :(
[14:41] <JoshuaL> that ppa did work for me
[14:46] <Briffy> Love you, guys. Ran it with noapic and noacpi and it seems to be working. <3
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> Hello, I noticed there is a new version released
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> and I'm curious to upgrade
[14:48] <Zvezdichko> any testing results up to this moment?
[14:49] <drs305> Zvezdichko: Mostly positive, but remember it's still Beta!
[14:49] <rsk> Zvezdichko: a few results yets.
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. you aree refering to the beta `1 version that came out 3 days ago?
[14:49] <Zvezdichko> Yes, yes...
[14:52] <Lerk> Hello everyone. Could you help me? I've last beta of kubuntu, and when i starting something(kate for example) i get message that "<some_dir> is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." What should i do?)
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> You trying to run somthing as root instead of your user?
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> uid 0 = root, uid 1000 = your first user
[14:54] <Lerk> i just type "kate", not "sudo kate"
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> whats the permissions on the directory in question?
[14:55] <Lerk> i run it from my home directory
[14:55] <Zvezdichko> ... initiating upgrade
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> so it litterally says  "<some dir> is owned by 1000 instead of uid 0"
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> it dosent give a actual directory?
[14:56] <Zvezdichko> Upgrade started :) Thumbs up... very curious how the new ubuntu looks like
[14:57] <Lerk> sorry, my mistake) i tried run from root(
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> apt://ttf-droid
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. does that url install a font/package for other people? :) just saw it at a web site.. and never noticed that trick befor
[14:58] <spreadthelove> when is the next update and will it address the issues of themes not changing and synaptic suddenly closing?
[14:58] <Lerk> it asks me "do you want to install fonts?"
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> the themes changed here.. but not the wallpaper...
[14:59] <test34> I changed my wallpaper
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> yea. this ubuntu torial web site had that url in it..  ive never seen  that done that way befor.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> i could change the wallpaper..but it dident actually change till i loged out/back in
[14:59] <maxb> spreadthelove: "when is the next update" doesn't have an answer. Except during a freeze, updates are more or less continuous
[15:00] <test34> spreadthelove, and it doesnt mean the next problem will address your issues
[15:00] <test34> the next update
[15:01] <Lerk> and one more question. How can i mount ntfs dir if dolphin says me "... the option "locale=.." is not allowed for uid 0". I wanted to mount it myself, but fdisk -l shows nothing(
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> sudo ntfs-3g /dev/devicename  /media/mountpoint-that-exists-beforhand
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> use 'sudo fdisk -l' to see drives
[15:10] <kroson> hi
[15:10] <kroson> im having a trouble with karmic netbook remix
[15:10] <kroson> in jaunty desktop edition i could see pdf files in mozilla
[15:10] <kroson> firefox
[15:11] <imachine> did you use the native acroread plugin?
[15:11] <imachine> or did you use evince?
[15:11] <kroson> now i cant, even after installing mozplugger, i get an error permission denied
[15:11] <kroson> evince
[15:11] <imachine> hmm
[15:11] <imachine> dunno
[15:11] <imachine> I never got it working, it's beyond me, sometimes the plugin works, sometimes it just fails.
[15:11] <kroson> which one? evince?
[15:12] <kroson> if i cant get this to work, ill install adobe
[15:12] <imachine> yes
[15:12] <imachine> both evince and acroread
[15:12] <imachine> neither seem to cooperate with me :)
[15:12] <kroson> when i try to open a pdf
[15:12] <imachine> it could be firefox 3.5
[15:12] <kroson> in firefox
[15:13] <imachine> I just get a query about downloading the file or opening it in a chosen application
[15:13] <kroson> evince opens and it says "error opening the file. permission denied" in portuguese
[15:13] <imachine> that's what I always get.
[15:13] <kroson> i got that too
[15:13] <imachine> emove mozplugger?
[15:13] <kroson> so i installed mozplugger to see if it worked but i get this error
[15:13] <imachine> or look inside ~/.mozilla
[15:13] <guest42> How do I found out which driver X uses?
[15:13] <kroson> write in terminal glxinfo
[15:14] <kroson> imachine: if i remove mozplugger, ill get the download window again, i think
[15:14] <amortvigil> guest4 i could help you if you told me wat your variable stands for, sorry had to make the joke
[15:14] <imachine> yes mozplugger seems off
[15:15] <kroson> but in jaunty it worked fine
[15:15] <kroson> :S maybe firefox 3.5 bug or something
[15:15] <kroson> in firefox 3.0 from jaunty evince opened inside firefox, now it opens in a new window
[15:16] <guest42> kroson: did you mean me? I can't find anything specific in glxinfo
[15:16] <yofel> guest42: you should find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log - and ask again if you don't understand it
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> it worked in karmic too, until a few days ago
[15:16] <kroson> Q-FUNK: what worked?
[15:16] <kroson> xD
[15:16] <Q-FUNK> I'm guessing that this could be a gvfs issue.
[15:16] <kroson> i dont have it installed
[15:16] <kroson> gvfs-backends
[15:16] <kroson> do you think i should install it?
[15:17] <imachine> kroson, yes ffox 3.5 :) fail
[15:17] <imachine> hmm
[15:17] <kroson> does acroread plugin work for anyone?
[15:17] <imachine> no idea about gvfs
[15:18] <imachine> also as regards the pdf, evince is cool but can't print if pdf comes out of printable area
[15:18] <kroson> gvfs allows your apps to open files remotely
[15:18] <imachine> acroread has a neato option called "shrink to printable area"
[15:18] <imachine> hmm
[15:18] <imachine> I have gvfs-backends installed
[15:18] <kroson> so maybe evince needs gvfs to open pdfs from firefox
[15:19] <imachine> nope
[15:19] <imachine> because I have -backends
[15:19] <kroson> hmm anyways ill install it to see if theres difference
[15:19] <imachine> and it doesn't work
[15:19] <imachine> furthermore, firefox is sort of out of gvfs, so I feel
[15:19] <imachine> gvfs is separate from ffox
[15:19] <kroson> i dunno
[15:19] <imachine> to a certain extent
[15:19] <kroson> xD
[15:19] <imachine> try saving to a sftp server from ffox
[15:20] <imachine> when you get the save file as dialog box, you can only save files to local filesystems from ffox
[15:20] <imachine> even though you see your sftp:// shares mounted with gnome
[15:20] <kroson> yes i think you are right
[15:20] <kroson> ill install adobe reader
[15:20] <imachine> that's how it worked on 9.04 at least
[15:20] <kroson> is it in the repos?
[15:20] <imachine> but I don't think they changed much
[15:20] <imachine> medibuntu prolly
[15:20] <imachine> meh, dunno
[15:21] <imachine> I'll try get mozplugger now
[15:22] <kroson> ok then test evince
[15:22] <kroson> mozplugger and evince worked fine in fedora
[15:22] <kroson> 11
[15:22] <imachine> works fine here too
[15:22] <imachine> with mozplugger
[15:22] <imachine> but it seems that I can't set mozplugger on -force-download
[15:22] <imachine> and on -PDF/download
[15:23] <kroson> what ubuntu version are u using?
[15:23] <imachine> 9.10
[15:23] <imachine> desktop
[15:23] <imachine> lemm try edit /etc/mozpluggerc
[15:23] <kroson> here netbook remix
[15:23] <imachine> yea
[15:23] <kroson> can you open pdfs?
[15:24] <imachine> ofcourse
[15:24] <imachine> but w8
[15:24] <kroson> :S
[15:24] <kroson> maybe its gvfs
[15:24] <imachine> no, 90% not
[15:25] <imachine> I don't get mozplugger
[15:25] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerc, I added application/force-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:25] <imachine> application/x-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:25] <imachine> to /etc/mozpluggerc just above all the rest of pdf stuff
[15:26] <imachine> I can sort of choose mozplugger now in Mozilla -> Edit -> Preferences -> Applications
[15:26] <imachine> and everywhere with PDF I can choose to have MozPlugger handle it
[15:26] <imachine> BUT, any time I do encounter a pdf on teh web, I get evince open up it's own window
[15:26] <imachine> instead of nest it in firefox
[15:26] <kroson> yes
[15:26] <kroson> thats what i get too
[15:27] <kroson> it would not be a big problem if it opened the file and didnt give that stupid error
[15:27] <kroson> its a permissions error, permission denied
[15:27] <imachine> duno
[15:27] <imachine> imma try nest evince
[15:27] <kroson> acroread is in the partner canonical repository
[15:28] <imachine> not here, amd64 :)
[15:28] <imachine> ok now it works great!
[15:29] <imachine> and nests properly :-))))
[15:29] <imachine> you ned to change the line in /etc/mozpluggerc to read:
[15:29] <imachine> repeat noisy swallow(evince) fill: evince "$file"
[15:29] <imachine> then it nests
[15:29] <imachine> repeat noisy fill exits: evince "$file" <- if you have this, it will open a separate evince window :)
[15:29] <kroson> hmm as im noob can you explain exactly what i need to add and where?
[15:29] <kroson> sorry
[15:29] <kroson> xD
[15:30] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerc
[15:30] <kroson> yes
[15:30] <imachine> in /etc/mozpluggerrc
[15:30] <spreadthelove> karmic is alot slower then the alpha
[15:30] <imachine> when you have: application/pdf:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> above it add two lines:
[15:30] <imachine> application/force-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> application/x-download:pdf:PDF file
[15:30] <imachine> and below, where you have GV)
[15:30] <imachine> modify the line to read
[15:30] <imachine>         repeat noisy swallow(evince) fill: evince "$file"
[15:30] <siganderson> I did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade today and amarok in kubuntu 9.10 beta was auto removed... is it normal?
[15:31] <imachine> but if you have errors, it will probably not work either :-)
[15:31] <imachine> it will just nest your error ;-P
[15:32] <kroson> application/pdf:pdf:PDF file application/x-pdf:pdf:PDF file text/pdf:pdf:PDF file text/x-pdf:pdf:PDF file 	ACROREAD() 	repeat noisy swallow(kpdf) fill: kpdf "$file" 	repeat noisy swallow(Xpdf) fill: xpdf -g +9000+9000 "$file" 	repeat noisy swallow(okular) fill: okular "$file" 	GV() 	repeat noisy fill exits: evince "$file"
[15:32] <kroson> i have this
[15:32] <kroson> but you dont get this error when you open the pdf?
[15:35] <imachine> no errors no
[15:35] <imachine> I know what you have no need to paste
[15:36] <shiznebit> what is preferred to use ? evolution or thunderbird
[15:37] <rsk> shiznebit: you what you think is the best
[15:37] <imachine> evolution is nice but it's also big
[15:38] <imachine> has many features which you might not end up using
[15:38] <imachine> so it's a matter of choice
[15:38] <imachine> kroson, I think I will remove mozplugger overall anyway
[15:39] <imachine> beause I don't need pdf embeding
[15:39] <kroson> hmm is mozplugger only for pdf?
[15:39] <kroson> i think it may be for all the multimedia, :S
[15:39] <shiznebit> ubuntu one doesn't work yet ?
[15:39] <kroson> embed the multimedia instead of downloading it
[15:39] <rsk> shiznebit: why do you ask?
[15:40] <shiznebit> i tried to get to the website and get a 503
[15:40] <rsk> then the website is down then
[15:40] <kroson> brb
[15:44] <dv-> why doesn't the new totem player open movies in 1:1 any more?
[15:44] <rsk> oh someone actually using  totem, cool =)
[15:47] <Ian_> i've been using totem since jaunty, it's good :)
[15:47] <Ian_> lighter then vlc for my netbook :p
[15:50] <Peace-> beta upgrade failed
[15:50] <rsk> report bug to launchpad
[15:50] <Peace-> and kde 4 fucked up
[15:50] <Peace-> on jaunty the same kde works fine
[15:50] <Peace-> on karmic = shit
[15:50] <TheInfinity> Peace-: beta :)
[15:51] <maxb> Make a useful bug report or be quiet
[15:51] <Peace-> bah
[15:52] <Peace-> i have a bit  tired to create bug report
[15:52] <Ian_> ...
[15:52] <rsk> what's this faggotry ian?
[15:53] <Ian_Corne> faggotry?
[15:53] <jussi01> !language | Peace-
[15:53] <rsk> 4chan slang
[15:53] <jussi01> rsk: family friendly please
[15:54] <tgpraveen> in what ways is ubuntu software centre different from add/remove in jaunty?
[15:55] <rsk> tgpraveen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[15:57] <Peace-> ops
[15:57] <Peace-> *i am a bit tired
[15:57] <commander_> hey guys can i sync my blackberry on 9.10?
[15:58] <commander_> i heard about BARRY
[15:58] <MikeC> Hi all, are there any known problems with the Karmic beta in Virtual Box?
[15:59] <kroson> omg
[16:00] <kroson> karmic repos are so slow these days
[16:00] <yofel> kroson: you could try another mirror
[16:00] <kroson> im using the local one, portuguese
[16:00] <scoop21> Hi guys
[16:00] <kroson> but well for not its ok
[16:01] <kroson> now
[16:01] <kaddi> wouhou, I think I got the beta-packages now :p
[16:02] <commander_> hello
[16:02] <kroson> imachine: acroread worked here, so forget evince
[16:02] <kroson> i removed mozplugger too
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> what's wrong with evince?
[16:04] <scoop21> last week i tried to find guys who has proplems on laptop with karmic. The proplem was that the laptop goes in standby even i plugged out ac while is was plugged in and so.
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> kroson: try opening a pdf in a browser
[16:05] <scoop21> i mean: while battery was plugged in
[16:05] <kroson> Ian_Corne: that wasnt working for me
[16:05] <kroson> with evince
[16:05] <Ian_Corne> ah
[16:05] <kroson> first it opened the download dialog
[16:06] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:06] <kroson> then i installed mozplugger but i got an error when opening the files
[16:06] <kroson> now i tried acroread and it embedding pdf works fine
[16:06] <kroson> xD
[16:06] <Ian_Corne> well the plugin for the browser didn't work for me (acroread) but that's even on jaunty
[16:07] <kroson> for me acroread always worked
[16:07] <kroson> evince used to work but now no longer
[16:07] <kroson> maybe ff 3.5 bug
[16:08] <scoop21> in KDE i haven't any problem that the system goes in standby after plugging ac out during i use battery
[16:08] <turtle4344> i tried the karmic beta, and the installer crashes on installing grub
[16:09] <kroson> karmic is looking good for now, except gdm (black?!?)
[16:09] <td123> is the us ubuntu server down or something?
[16:09] <scoop21> the problem occur even i logged in gnome.
[16:09] <td123> kroson: black is usually a good neutral color
[16:10] <kroson> yes but too black for gdm, in my opinion
[16:10] <scoop21> does anybody have same problems?
[16:10] <kroson> in what concerns the desktop, it is fine
[16:10] <kroson> intel driver is working fine, much better than in jaunty in my eee 901
[16:11] <kroson> i still cant play HD videos fine in youtube, if someone can, tell me how xD
[16:11] <kroson> for the rest normal and HQ play fine
[16:11] <commander_> can i sync my blackberry on this version?
[16:11] <rsk> commander_: tried it?
[16:11] <turtle4344> is anyone able to help me with grub installation?
[16:11] <IdleOne> !slow | td123
[16:12] <commander_> rsk does it work?
[16:12] <rsk> i have no idea
[16:12] <rsk> please don't answear my question with another question =)
[16:12] <kroson> td123: i downloaded my beta from the irish server yesterday
[16:13] <kroson> in my desktop i got 1mb/s speed, try that mirror
[16:13] <turtle4344> is there a channel specifically for grub2 issues?
[16:13] <imachine> kroson, cheers
[16:13] <kroson> in the ubuntu beta page, its one of the european mirrors
[16:14] <kroson> imachine: acroread perfect here xD, and much better than evince
[16:14] <turtle4344> is there a channel specifically for grub2 issues?
[16:15] <scoop21> it is better to use torrents to unload the servers
[16:16] <lizzzy> I installed kubuntu-kde-desktop on top of jaunty. Is it safe to autoremove ubuntu-desktop now?
[16:18] <Amaranth> removing ubuntu-desktop won't remove GNOME
[16:18] <tormod> turtle4344, don't repeat over and over again, too much noise here. ask to ask, here first.
[16:19] <turtle4344> ok
[16:19] <lizzzy> Amaranth: How do I uninstall gnome and its related apps then?
[16:19] <Zvezdichko> Upgrade completed! Everything load fine and no issues to report.
[16:19] <Amaranth> lizzzy: removing libgtk2.0-0 would remove pretty much all of it :)
[16:19] <kaddi> also I would advise not to ask the same question in two channels at once, or at least not to follow different advice given in different channels at the  same time, because they might interfere
[16:20] <lizzzy> Oh ok sorry kaddi :)
[16:20] <Amaranth> Zvezdichko: Yay
[16:22] <nacho> hi
[16:23] <nacho> does any of you had problems with the splash screen? for me it doesn't appear but for a long of time, some kind of update screwed it
[16:23] <nacho> any clues about how to update it?
[16:24] <nacho> s/update/fix
[16:25] <Trizicus> how do I know which version of ubuntu I have (i installed alpha 6 and updates however I do not know if i have beta)?
[16:25] <IdleOne> Trizicus: lsb_release -a
[16:25] <tormod> turtle4344, are you using the alternate or desktop CD?
[16:25] <turtle4344> tormod: live
[16:26] <Trizicus> it doens't say if i have beta or alpha
[16:26] <Trizicus> I installed alpha but don't I need to dist-upgrade to get to beta?
[16:26] <turtle4344> tormod: everything installed fine but ubiquity fails on gurb installation, here is the log http://pastebin.ca/1590707
[16:26] <IdleOne> uname -a perhaps what kernel is beta using?
[16:26] <tormod> turtle4344, any special disk setups? raid, usb drive, etc?
[16:27] <turtle4344> tormod: nope, installing from a CD
[16:27] <Trizicus> i installed alpha 6 and the latest updates and now I just relized beta is out... What do I have to do to ensure ubuntu gets updated from alpha to beta?
[16:27] <G_A_C> Trizicus: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[16:28] <Trizicus> thanks
[16:28] <tormod> turtle4344, file a bug using "ubuntu-bug grub-installer" and attach the log
[16:29] <scoop21> does anybody has standby problems (standby or hilbernate after few minutes) after plugging out ac while batterie is plugged in gome?
[16:29] <turtle4344> tormod: do i need an account for that?
[16:29] <tormod> you'll need an account on launchpad
[16:31] <turtle4344> tormod: would you mind filing it for me?
[16:32] <tgpraveen> guys am on jaunty and now if I use a karmic live cd and format my jaunty partition and install karmic over it will I be able to get ext 4 and GRUB 2?
[16:32] <kroson> yes
[16:32] <kroson> if you format with ext4
[16:32] <tormod> turtle4344, you will have to answer questions from the developers. just go for it. it's free and you'll get premium support :)
[16:32] <kroson> the / partition
[16:33] <kroson> youll always get grub 2 cause its installed with karmic on the / or /boot if you use it
[16:33] <MerlinW> i using ext4 with jaunty, but no changes for human beings:D
[16:33] <tgpraveen> so grub 1 willl be uninstalled when I format my jaunty partition itself? I want actual
[16:34] <turtle4344> tormod: what should i do in the mean time?
[16:34] <tgpraveen> GRUB2 not a chain linked one
[16:34] <IdleOne> tgpraveen: when you format the partition everything on it will be deleted. backup anything you want to keep
[16:34] <MerlinW> grub 1 will replaced
[16:35] <MerlinW> in mbr ofc
[16:35] <kroson> yes
[16:36] <kroson> it will replace your previous bootloader
[16:36] <MerlinW> i know, i just answered:D
[16:36] <tgpraveen> MerlinW:  kroson hmm so on a related side note I currently dual boot win and jaunty so if I format jaunty partition to say blank it with fat or something then automatically grub gets removed and windows bootloader takes over?
[16:36] <kroson> i didnt understand very well
[16:36] <kroson> what you mean
[16:37] <tormod> turtle4344, you can try to install grub manually but you may want to just wait. are you still on the Desktop cd, have everything installed and just need the grub?
[16:37] <MerlinW> if u have a win and jaunty now, just install karmic and will everything normal
[16:37] <kroson> but i think to remove grub you either restore mbr or replace it with another bootloader
[16:37] <MerlinW> like when u push a dist upgrade
[16:37] <turtle4344> tormod: yea, the whole system installed except grub
[16:37] <MerlinW> just do it, u will have no problems
[16:38] <tormod> turtle4344, you are not using raid, dmraid, fakeraid?
[16:39] <turtle4344> tormod: nope, all default settings from the installer, using the default file system and i selected "use entire disk"
[16:39] <tormod> turtle4344, and your disk is just a normal hard drive?
[16:40] <turtle4344> tormod: yep a standard seagate 160GB
[16:40] <Andy80> hi all
[16:40] <kroson> tgpraveen: if you blank your jaunty partition, i think grub gets removed, but not sure
[16:40] <Andy80> I think I'm not the first one who ask this but...
[16:40] <Andy80> I've upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 beta and now my system is totally fucked up -.-
[16:41] <kroson> and windows bootloader should load, but better someone more experienced tell you
[16:41] <Andy80> cannot boot
[16:41] <James147> Andy80: #ubuntu+1 for issues with karmic
[16:41] <Andy80> I'm getting some fsck errors at startup... I'm running 9.04 live now
[16:41] <kroson> Andy80: it should boot :S if you did it right
[16:41] <kaddi> this is ubuntu+1 no?
[16:41] <tormod> turtle4344,  I think cjwatson will be interested in your bug report and might be able to fix it fast.
[16:41] <Andy80> James147, this IS #ubuntu+1 :P
[16:41] <kroson> James147: lool
[16:41] <yofel> kroson tgpraveen: what you need to get grub2 is blank /boot and your mbr, a fresh karmic installation will do that
[16:41] <James147> Opps, wrong chanle :S
[16:42] <Andy80> kroson, I've just fsck-ed both /dev/sda1 (my / ) and /dev/sda5 (my /home) and they're "clean"
[16:42] <kroson> thats it, the advantage of having /boot partition is that you dont need to remove grub if you want to remove your linux os
[16:42] <tormod> turtle4344, the best way is if you file the bug right now, from the Desktop CD, ubuntu-bug will attach the necessary files
[16:43] <Andy80> so... how can I fix my problem?
[16:43] <kroson> im noob too i dont know andy
[16:44] <kroson> what is the error you have when you boot?
[16:44] <yofel> Andy80: can you disable 'quiet splash' in grub an tell us where it stops?
[16:44] <Andy80> how can I remember it?.... I've no way to take a screenshot of it
[16:44] <Andy80> yofel, yes, I can do it, wait...
[16:44] <turtle4344> tormod: how should i go about filing the bug, is there a built in utility in ubuntu that will?
[16:45] <Andy80> I just need to mount my old /
[16:45] <tormod> turtle4344, I think I already said "ubuntu-bug grub-installer"
[16:47] <Andy80> yofel, excuse me... where is located now grub.conf ?
[16:47] <MerlinW> /boot/grub
[16:47] <yofel> Andy80: you said that you upgraded from jaunty, you should still have menu.lst in that case
[16:47] <Andy80> nothing... ignore my question..
[16:47] <Andy80> yes...
[16:48] <tormod> Andy80, you can also remove it temporarily at the grub menu
[16:49] <Andy80> yofel, ok... now I've removed the "quiet splash", but.... how can I take note of the errors I'll get once I reboot?
[16:50] <yofel> Andy80: if you can't boot at all (not even repair mode) then you'll have to use paper and pencil I guess
[16:51] <Andy80> yofel, ok... I'll create a 9.10 startup USB before rebooting, just in case...
[16:51] <yofel> good idea :)
[16:52] <Andy80> but... I've the strong sensation I'll have to reinstall ALL from scratch -.-
[16:52] <scoop21> does anybody have a problem with standby during plugging in battery or ac in gnome?
[16:52] <Andy80> luckly I've separated /home
[16:53] <tormod> Andy80, you can try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrootRecovery
[16:53] <gasg> Hello, somebody like me have tried 9.10 beta on the aspire one a110l?
[16:53] <djm62> Hi I want to test Karmic on my eeepc: how should I upgrade?
[16:53] <gasg> the kernel is totally incompatible
[16:53] <gasg> lot of errors during the bot and on desktop
[16:54] <djm62> (It's got a 4G system and 16G home drive... physically separate as far as I know)
[16:55] <Crashbit> mm compiz isn't activated during the startup of gnome. I have to activate it with "compiz --replace &" from a terminal
[16:55] <yofel> djm62: to upgrade use 'update-manager -d' (but make yourself a backup and a karmic live-flashdrive before that)
[16:55] <Andy80> anyway all of this is a bit confusing...
[16:55] <yofel> just in case something goes wrong
[16:55] <Andy80> on Ubuntu Planet all people say "please install 9.10, help us to test ecc..."
[16:55] <djm62> yofel: not enough space free to do that...
[16:55] <Andy80> and here you advise not to install it :P
[16:56] <yofel> Andy80: yes, please help us out to test it, but only if you're ok to break your system and have at lease some idea what you're doing
[16:56] <djm62> yofel: I suspect this either is or will be a common problem for people using 9.04 on netbooks: /var/cache/apt/ is on / and / is too small to do a dist-upgrade
[16:57] <Andy80> yofel, I've idea of what I'm doing, it's just annoying ;)
[16:57] <Andy80> ok... now I reboot to take note about errors
[16:57] <djm62> so that lovely convenient debian-style apt-get upgrade doesn't work
[16:58] <yofel> djm62: in the default setup you only have one partition. e.g. / and so you shouldn't have any space problems
[16:58] <dredhammer> hello i need help with grub2 for Karmic i upgraded from 9.04 but i can only boot into ubuntu if i use the live cd and select boot from harddrive, if i dont do this i get a grub 1.5  (the old grub) Error 15
[16:59] <djm62> yofel: on the eeepc901 linux edition there is one 4G disk and one 16G disk (physically separate).  As far as I know the WinXP just had the 16G disk
[16:59] <yofel> djm62: if you want to upgrade without update-manager you could edit the apt sources.list, change jaunty to karmic there and disable all ppa's (make a backup of the file before that)
[16:59] <yofel> djm62: ok, that's a bit small for upgrading, I guess you'll have to make a clean installation
[17:01] <djm62> well, there are still options: 2 that I can think of.  I can mount /var/cache/apt/archives on an external disk, or I can install 9.10 from an external disk, leaving my /home/ alone
[17:01] <djm62> is one recommended, or are there instructions about it somewhere?
[17:02] <James147> djm62: You could bind a folder in /home to /var/cache/apt/...
[17:02] <djm62> 3 options ;-)
[17:03] <SVisor> As always.. something breaks when upgrading. Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and now headphones do not work.  I tried the different "profiles". Those marked as "Duplex" gives me the option to select "headphone" but no sound. Does someone has a solution?
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> try the pulse audio specific mixer and tools perhaps.
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> pavucontrol and so forth.
[17:05]  * Dr_Willis notices how weird the search feature in synaptic is...
[17:05] <BluesKaj> skype kills all audio
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> i search for 'pav' and it shows 'TINT' (a game)  - because the programers name is Pavlovsky.
[17:06] <BluesKaj> must be a reported bug..ythink I saw something about it
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> !info anarchism
[17:08] <BluesKaj> !skype
[17:08] <BluesKaj> !Ekiga
[17:08] <djm62> Dr_Willis: is the programmer's name mentioned in the description?
[17:11] <djm62> !u200
[17:11] <djm62> !madwimax
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea.
[17:11] <djm62> d'oh :-(
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  search for 'pav'
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> ive noticed several packagtes that do that.
[17:12] <wekt> Does ekiga or voice chat work smoothly with Pulse?  I get stuttering.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> i imagine thats why 'apt-cache search 'is always so cluttereed also
[17:12] <SVisor> pulse-mixer gives same options with same result.
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  we going to have to file bug reports on bad descriptions? :)
[17:12] <wekt> SVisor: same as?
[17:13] <wekt> SVisor: as without pulse?
[17:13] <SVisor> Sorry.. No sound on headphones.
[17:13] <SVisor> I can select headphones, but no sound.
[17:13] <Lerk> Can anybody say where can i get 32bit libXp library for amd64 arch?
[17:14] <djm62> Dr_Willis: I guess that would upset a load of coders, but it isn't much of a fix to tell search to ignore descriptions....
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea. thats why i think they need to expand the package descripions with lots of 'tags'
[17:14] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is choppy and distorted on my setup. it's prolly ok on onboard sound but with pci cards there seems to be a kernel module problem with pulse and the kernel sound module for the pci card trying to run simultaneously resulting one audio driver fighting the other.
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> very few of the desccriptsions actually have 'names' in them.
[17:15] <albert23> Lerk: in package ia32-libs
[17:15] <djm62> Dr_Willis: better to do that kind of thing online, with apt: urls, perhaps? where it can be tinkered with?
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> djm62:  yea. im looking throug many descriptisons now.. seems about 3% also include urls to the programs homepage.
[17:16] <Dr_Willis>  some definatly need tobe more 'concise' in what the package does
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> !info beep
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Im guessing they got a 'short' concise description (as shown above) then a LONG descrion you see in synaptic
[17:17] <djm62> yeah, they usually have a one line summary, that you see if you do "aptitude search barfoo"
[17:17] <yofel> Dr_Willis: exactly, the debian packaging system requires a one line description (max. 80 chars I think) and an additional long description
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> now if they could require a GOOD description. :)
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..heres a neat tool i just saw..
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> !info bindfs
[17:19] <djm62> who owns the description? I mean, who should change it?
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> bindfs has a VERY good long description. :)
[17:19] <yofel> djm62: the description is done by the packager, e.g. the maintainer of the package
[17:19] <djm62> what's the ratio of packages to maintainers?
[17:20] <yofel> if you guys are interested, do 'apt-get source <somepkg>' and then read sourefolder/debian/control there you can find the description
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> What do they do for Other languages also? each package has 5+ descriptions thats been translated?
[17:20] <djm62> no way
[17:21] <yofel> djm62: well, some packages are maintained in ubuntu, some are just synced from debian, you can find the maintainer in the debian/control file too
[17:21] <djm62> grabbing  the file now
[17:21] <djm62> the source file
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Im seeing more and more of these 'desktops' variants for specific locales with themes, grub, splash, wallpaper, and so forth.
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> !info brdesktop-gnome
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> This metapackage installs a selection of packages for BrDesktop, giving a
[17:23] <djm62> seems like we could improve the description by automating, crowdsourcing, editing, and approving
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> pleasant GNOME desktop environment with the basic resources for
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> ordinary Brazilian users. It is useful only to speakers of Brazilian
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> Now..  what in a theme package like that is language specific anyway?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> the more i explore.. the stranger things get. :)
[17:25] <djm62> you'd think Brazilian dictionaries would be covered by localisation, and not need an extra package
[17:25] <djm62> maybe it's stuff that is mostly in that part of the world, like whatever the local dominant IM system is
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> from what i gather thats just a fancy splash screen, and grub wallpaper. and so forth
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> !info tropic-look
[17:26] <ikt> what are the issues of supporting >4GB of ram on a 32 bit system?
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> onw of the worst descriptions... :) tropic-look.
[17:26] <ikt> is it because only a few intel cpu's support it?
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> Long decription = 2 lines..  "The Tropic Theme - this is a meta package"
[17:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:27] <limx> hi
[17:27] <yofel> ikt: 32bit only has physical adress space for a bit less than 4GB, so you need pae to support the other space
[17:28] <limx> where is the xorg.conf located?
[17:28] <limx> i cant find it in /etc/X11
[17:28] <Amaranth> limx: There isn't one by default anymore
[17:28] <Amaranth> Generally no need for one
[17:29] <limx> ok, and where are the configs located now?
[17:29] <grturner> limx, the X is configured by the gui now
[17:29] <limx> what?
[17:29] <limx> oh god
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> perhaps tell us what you are trying to do....
[17:30] <grturner> system > preferences > display
[17:30] <yofel> limx: why do you need to change the configuration?
[17:30] <commander_> does anyone have reboot issues here?
[17:30] <limx> i have to add some special options for my graphics card
[17:30] <limx> some options to save energy
[17:31] <grturner> system > preferences > power management is where you can configure energy stuff
[17:31] <yofel> limx: create a dummy one with 'sudo Xorg -configure' and copy it from /root to /etc/X11/ and then edit it
[17:32] <limx> mh
[17:32] <sven-tek> Wie geil, ich bin von Karmic echt begeistert
[17:32] <limx> i have to stop the xorg server for this?
[17:32] <thiebaude> !de
[17:32] <Adapter> slow traffic at ubuntu server today? anybody else
[17:33] <yofel> sven-tek: come to #ubuntu-de+1
[17:33] <sven-tek> ups
[17:33] <limx> <- is not that happy with karmic
[17:33] <grturner> limx, even jaunty or intrepid didnt really utilize an xorg.conf
[17:33] <scoop21> try to use torrent instead of direct download
[17:34] <limx> ubuntu: 20 watts power consumption windows 7: 12 watts
[17:34] <Adapter> i must download vue first :)
[17:34] <limx> that means: only 2 hours runtime...
[17:35] <grturner> limx you can also use the cpu frequency scaling monitor to manually set the clock speed of your processor
[17:35] <thiebaude> limx, how do i find out how much watts my ubuntu 9.10 uses?
[17:36] <limx> thiebaude: if you have a notebook, use the battery icon above
[17:36] <limx> it shows you a watt number
[17:36] <thiebaude> limx, i'am on a desktop
[17:36] <scoop21> notebook standby pobs after battery plugging?
[17:36] <sven-tek> thiebaude, i have an adaptor plug showing the power usage
[17:36] <limx> ...?
[17:36] <James147> thiebaude: powertop  is a great app for measuing power related things
[17:36] <limx> then it doesnt matter
[17:36] <yofel> powertop says I have ~11w on my eeePC 1000H
[17:37] <thiebaude> i've been using ubuntu for 5yrs and never thought about power consumption
[17:37] <limx> thiebaude: because you dont have a notebook
[17:37] <thiebaude> limx, yep
[17:37] <James147> thiebaude: its more important on loptops then desktops
[17:37] <thiebaude> James147, even if the laptop is plugged in?
[17:37] <limx> it's the most important thing on a laptop
[17:38] <limx> it's useless when the laptop goes off after 2 hours
[17:38] <James147> thiebaude: less so :) but in general
[17:38] <thiebaude> James147, i understand it
[17:39] <James147> best to set up laptop mode if you have a laptop... ubuntu has it just dosent enable it by default for somereason
[17:39] <yofel> James147: it's supposed to cause problems on some  systems
[17:40] <yofel> and I don't like the too savy settings for the hdd
[17:40] <Andy80> hi again
[17:40] <yofel> Andy80: wb
[17:40] <thiebaude> hi andy
[17:40] <Andy80> after some tries my system booted up normally
[17:41] <Andy80> anyway I think it was a fsck problem...
[17:41] <limx> how do I enable laptop mode?
[17:41] <Andy80> it looks like more extended than the "known issue"
[17:41] <James147> yofel: its not hard to disable the power saving for hdd, hell by default it disables virtually everything :S
[17:41] <yofel> Andy80: did you by chance get something about last mount time in the future
[17:41] <Andy80> in my case my system needed a check because it was monted 31 times...
[17:41] <Andy80> yofel: what?
[17:42] <yofel> Andy80: had that yesterday after booting jaunty once. it fixed itself after a few boots
[17:42] <Andy80> yofel: I hope someone fix this before final release, looks like a very big problem for a new user...
[17:42] <Andy80> it will take minutes to switch back to window$ :P
[17:42] <yofel> Andy80: iirc it was supposed to be fixed with the new kernel
[17:43] <Andy80> this kernel: Linux andrea-laptop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:43] <Andy80> or a new one?
[17:43] <yofel> Andy80: that's the supposedly fixed one, I don't know more right now
[17:44] <thiebaude> Andy80, i got that kernel
[17:44] <Andy80> btw.... I've a strange problem with Telepathy: it's not visible in the top bar... so if someone writes me I only see the bubble notification and I cannot open the chat...
[17:45] <Andy80> am I missing any particular applet?
[17:48] <mikejet> Will 9.10 have the new gnome release a few weeks ago?
[17:48] <Amaranth> Andy80: It should be the little mail icon
[17:48] <Amaranth> mikejet: we've already got it
[17:49] <mikejet> Amaranth, Great. the GUI updates are my favorite part of new releases (so far).
[17:49] <Moc> I don't see much changes in the GUI
[17:49] <Moc> except they made the icon set on top near invisible
[17:50] <grturner> any news on ati with karmic, or for compatability are we still going to have to downgrade to intrepid xorg packages and use that
[17:50] <luca> hi everyone, can someone please help me to recover my karmic installation?
[17:50] <Moc> Im on ATI rightnow with open source driver and it seem to work ok
[17:50] <luca> I am not able to boot into my system anymore
[17:51] <commander_> it won't reboot,suspend ,hibernate or nothing i have to manually turn it off
[17:51] <thiebaude> !details
[17:51] <grturner> Moc, what about 3d programs?
[17:52] <Moc> damn that bug still exist... when you go the the im/mail icon and select empathi, it doesn't un minimize it
[17:52] <luca> thiebade, I would like to, but they are scarce; it blocks during boot, when gdm should be loading, with a "Crypswap1 (started) message
[17:52] <luca> the system seems to boot, but I am not able to get to the login screen or boot into the system
[17:52] <Moc> grturner: I've run for about 1 hours in xgl, but im in 1920x1080 on a old dell d610 notebook, so it was ok until you have too much windows open
[17:53] <mikejet> Moc : I like the 100 cuts improvements.
[17:53] <Amaranth> Moc: Not Xgl, Xgl was removed from the archive
[17:53] <Moc> 100 cuts ?
[17:53] <Moc> well compiz
[17:53] <Moc> or what ever
[17:54] <Amaranth> Too many people confuse Xgl, Compiz, and Compiz-Fusion :)
[17:54] <Amaranth> You're running compiz with some fusion plugins :)
[17:54] <Amaranth> Although as of compiz 0.9 it's just compiz, the fusion name is going away
[17:54] <luca> thiebaude: also, if I try to mount my encrypted home directory from live (as I am now), it says: "ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly"
[17:55] <luca> thiebaude: I *think* it might be something related to encryption, but I did no fancy operations on that front, apart having an encrypted home as per installation instructions
[17:55] <thiebaude> luca, ok
[17:57] <Moc> I hope they fix the change language key
[17:57] <luca> thiebaude: any advice?
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, i dont know about that
[17:58] <luca> thiebaude ok thanks
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, np
[17:58] <Amaranth> Moc: bug number?
[17:58] <thiebaude> luca, how did you upgrade?
[17:58] <luca> thiebaude: clean install
[17:59] <Moc> One thing I find weird is in empathy, instead of next or continue in the new account, it say forward ...
[17:59] <thiebaude> luca, i did a upgrade from 9.04
[17:59] <luca> so I have all backups ready if this is a worst case scenario ;)
[17:59] <luca> thiebaude oh ok
[17:59] <mikejet> Amaranth, I wish the whole x-win, compbiz, gnome, kde, opengl stuff weren't so confusing.
[17:59] <thiebaude> everything works just right, compiz etc
[17:59] <Moc> it feel like someone in another language did it, then was just translated word for word in english
[18:00] <Moc> Amaranth: oh boy, let me try to find that
[18:01] <Moc> Amaranth: 363363
[18:01]  * joshua__ wonders what happened to his splash screen on startup...
[18:01] <Amaranth> bug 363363
[18:01] <Amaranth> nice number
[18:02] <Moc> that bug was introduced in 8.10
[18:03] <Moc> I feel that you need to know a dev to actually get a bug to be looked at
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: it's New
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: You know me now :)
[18:03] <Moc> april 2009 is considered new ?
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: what you need to do is file them against the right package
[18:03] <Amaranth> Moc: no no, the status is New and it has no package
[18:03] <thiebaude> Amaranth, what part of development do you work on?
[18:04] <Amaranth> that means no one has seen it
[18:04] <Amaranth> thiebaude: compiz
[18:04] <Moc> I have no idea what packages language switcher is with... it come default in install
[18:04] <Moc> package gnome ?
[18:04] <mikejet> Is compiz installed by default?
[18:04] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i just want to say that for me compiz works perfect and no bugs
[18:04] <Amaranth> mikejet: installed and enabled by default
[18:04] <Amaranth> thiebaude: awesome :)
[18:05] <Amaranth> Moc: What GUI tool is this?
[18:05] <Amaranth> System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[18:05] <Moc> yes
[18:05] <Amaranth> alright, let me fix up the bug report
[18:05] <Moc> let me try if it still in 9.10 beta first ;)
[18:06] <Andy80> is it normal that the System menu on top has no icons? Only the sub-menus have them :\
[18:06] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i migrated from 9.04, and made sure everything was installed on 9.04 before moving over over
[18:06] <Amaranth> Andy80: expected
[18:06] <Andy80> Amaranth: known bug?
[18:06] <Amaranth> Andy80: Not a bug
[18:06] <Moc> it be nice if the keyboard indicator panel get added automaticly when you add a second keyboard (like in windows)
[18:07] <Amaranth> Moc: there, bug 363363 cleaned up and waiting for you to test with karmic and answer the questions asked there
[18:09] <Andy80> Amaranth: and in "indicator-applet-session 0.1" --> Se Status --> I cannot see any icon... is this a not-a-bug too?
[18:09] <Moc> done
[18:10] <Amaranth> Andy80: Correct
[18:10] <Amaranth> Andy80: You'll notice icons are missing from most of the desktop
[18:10] <Amaranth> This is intentional
[18:10] <Andy80> Amaranth: ihmo: it's simply ugly :(
[18:11] <Moc> background of the keyboard indication panel doesn't match the top bar
[18:11] <penguin42> Andy80: Fortunately you can turn the menu ones back on from system->preferences->appearance->interface 'show icons in menus' - I agree with you
[18:12] <Andy80> penguin42: much much better in this way :) really thank you :)
[18:12] <mac_v> Andy80: in almost everyone's opinion its ugly ;)
[18:12] <Moc> ha weird your right no icons
[18:12] <akio> holy crap my USB ports are all dead
[18:12] <Andy80> I'd like to discuss with people who did this :P
[18:12] <thiebaude> penguin42, yea, thanks
[18:13] <akio> this is a kernel issue right?
[18:13] <penguin42> Andy80: There's a bug for it - let me just find it
[18:13] <Amaranth> Andy80: Upstream GNOME usability folks and the Canonical Design Team
[18:13] <mac_v> Andy80:  Moc: Bug #407621
[18:13] <Amaranth> Having the icons removed from most menu items makes the ones that have icons stand out
[18:13] <Moc> the preview options in apperance preference either doesn't have icon for items in menu, or they dont reflect the show icons in menu
[18:14] <mac_v> Amaranth: but the present solution is not ideal... it was never a consensus but done only by a small group of individuals
[18:14] <mac_v> mostly 3-4
[18:14] <akio> bike shed argument
[18:14] <Amaranth> mac_v: people need to follow the right mailing lists ;)
[18:14] <penguin42> Amaranth: Which one is that?
[18:15] <mac_v> Amaranth: nope... there was never a ML for this ;)
[18:15] <Amaranth> mac_v: There was, I knew it was coming
[18:15] <Amaranth> penguin42: I dunno, I'm on all of them
[18:15] <mac_v> Amaranth: hmm.. well even mpt didnt know i guess ;)
[18:15] <penguin42> Amaranth: Is it an ayatana one or further upstream?
[18:15] <Amaranth> upstream GNOME
[18:16] <mac_v> *didnt know about the ML
[18:16] <Amaranth> Back in 2005 or so I went to lists.gnome.org and subscribed to almost all of them :)
[18:16] <penguin42> Amaranth: Ouch
[18:16] <mac_v> lol.. that must be a huge spam ;)
[18:16] <penguin42> Amaranth must get trampled by gnomes
[18:16] <Amaranth> Most of them are low volume but incredibly interesting when they have something
[18:17] <Amaranth> mac_v: I believe it was not titled properly but there was a ML post about it
[18:17] <penguin42> has anyone else been having update manager ask for the password trice on updates recently?
[18:17] <thiebaude> Amaranth, for 9.10 are you done now with compiz development?
[18:17] <Amaranth> I don't think it was on d-d-l though
[18:17] <mac_v> penguin42: happened to me too :) ..
[18:17] <mac_v> but seems solved now
[18:17] <Amaranth> thiebaude: Hopefully 0.8.4 will be out in a couple days and I've got one more packaging push to do
[18:17] <penguin42> mac_v: Ah ok, I'm still waiting for todays stuff to go in
[18:18] <Amaranth> thiebaude: But that'll only fix 17 or so more bugs then we're done
[18:18] <thiebaude> Amaranth, so i can expect a compiz update?
[18:18] <Moc> I need to find a way to make 2 icons at the top, 1 to access empathy, and one to access my email client (not evolution)
[18:18] <Moc> I wish evolusions look and felt more like thunderbird
[18:18] <mikejet> I've always disliked the workspace selectors in the bottom right, where they show what apps run in each workspace.
[18:18] <Amaranth> thiebaude: yes
[18:19] <Amaranth> thiebaude: it'll fix this list of bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED
[18:19] <Amaranth> plus hopefully one or two more
[18:20] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i'll see if i have that bug
[18:20]  * penguin42 wonders if compiz is enableable on i945G these days - it went through a period where it was disabled
[18:20] <thiebaude> Amaranth, i dont have any of those bigs in compiz
[18:20] <Amaranth> penguin42: The only one we have blacklisted is 845
[18:20] <mikejet> Amaranth, Is there a webpage with the top 10 improvements?
[18:20] <thiebaude> bugs
[18:21] <Moc> weird, in 9.10 the cpu scale doesn't show the same mhz list as in 8.10
[18:21] <Amaranth> thiebaude: you have at least a few of them
[18:21] <Amaranth> thiebaude: you just don't notice :)
[18:21] <penguin42> Amaranth: Thanks, I might try turning it on again - I don't really use the compiz stuff, but I might give it a go again
[18:21] <yofel> mikejet: you can read some new features on the beta release page
[18:21] <akio> Take a look at this craziness: http://paste.ubuntu.com/284756/
[18:21] <thiebaude> Amaranth, yep, exactly
[18:21] <Amaranth> mikejet: compiz improvement are purely bug fixes
[18:22]  * mac_v thinks Ubuntu wasted time on xsplash just out of pride to not adopt plymouth
[18:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: 865G should work then?
[18:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: hmm, maybe we blacklist that one to
[18:22] <akio> +1 mac_v
[18:22] <Amaranth> too*
[18:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: try it
[18:22] <thiebaude> my startup screen is blank before the login
[18:22] <Amaranth> T="$T 8086:3577 8086:2562 " # Intel 830MG, 845G (LP: #259385)
[18:22] <yofel> mac_v: wasn't it because plymouth takes too long to initialize? (not that xsplash is any better
[18:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: I can't get past login window with karmic
[18:22] <Amaranth> those are the ones we blacklist
[18:23] <Amaranth> IdleOne: does it crash X?
[18:23] <IdleOne> Amaranth: computer freezes hard
[18:23] <akio> I haven't used it but it dos look like it would be something that would take longer to do rather than quicker
[18:23] <IdleOne> as long as I don't click on anything it's golden
[18:23] <mac_v> yofel: not sure that is the reason, havent heard such complains though... anyways the graphics with plymouth are better than the xsplash we have now! ;p
[18:24] <IdleOne> but usability is limited when all I can look at is the login manager
[18:24] <kaddi> hi, somehow the behaviour of my konsole changed: Usually tabcompletion does not work unless the completion is unique. Now it simply uses the first file matching the starting letters (like in windows). How can I change it back to not do completion unless unambiguous
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  set it to autologin? :)
[18:24] <Amaranth> IdleOne: Oh so you don't even get to put your password in?
[18:24] <IdleOne> lmao Dr_Willis
[18:24] <IdleOne> Amaranth: no
[18:24] <yofel> mac_v: at least plymouth doesn't show a bunch of text before starting...
[18:24] <mac_v> yofel: yeah... hate the text :/
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: Ok, not compiz then :)
[18:25] <zniavre> !grub2
[18:25] <thiebaude> yofel, i dont have that text at startup anymore ,just a blank screen
[18:25] <IdleOne> Amaranth: with the live cd I got to the desktop and soon as I clicked on firefox it loaded and froze
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: yeah, just general driver breakage there though
[18:25] <Amaranth> IdleOne: not only triggered by compiz
[18:25] <mac_v> thiebaude: since when? i updated ~6hrs ago and still i get text :(
[18:26] <yofel> well, I don't use splash since I like the text (much more useful in case something goes wrong)
[18:26] <Moc> damn nwow flash doesn't woprk
[18:26] <penguin42> Amaranth: The problem I guess is compiz tends to push the drivers pretty hard (not Compiz's fault)
[18:26] <IdleOne> Amaranth: general driver breakage kinda blows. I would hope that I could atleast run firefox
[18:26] <thiebaude> mac_v, about 24 hrs or so
[18:26] <mac_v> then i must be among the unlucky ones :(
[18:27] <Moc> install->youtube->install flash from adobe via the .deb and restart firefox and no flash working
[18:27] <thiebaude> mac_v, you think they are going to put something in the place of the blank screen?
[18:27] <IdleOne> !flash | Moc
[18:27] <thiebaude> besides text
[18:28] <thiebaude> mac_v, for me it still isn't a show-stopper
[18:28] <ikt> getting frustrated, totem crashing >a lot< apport picks it up, but when I click report cpu goes to 100% on both cores and it just sits there collecting data
[18:28] <Moc> IdleOne: that not so great for new user
[18:28] <IdleOne> Moc: how is that not great?
[18:29] <mac_v> thiebaude: the blank screen should actually not be shown and the dark splash wallpaper should be displayed...
[18:29] <mac_v> so there are still problems :/
[18:29] <IdleOne> Moc: a new user should not be running Alpha/beta release
[18:29] <mikejet> i really don't like totem.  it seems to crash 100% of the time, after it configures itself to play a bunch of media types.
[18:29] <Amaranth> mac_v: The problem is X takes forever to start on systems without SSD
[18:29] <akio> mikejet, her too
[18:29] <mac_v> exactly!
[18:30] <akio> here*
[18:30] <thiebaude> mac_v, yep, i know there will be many more updates with 26 days to go
[18:30] <Amaranth> mac_v: X starts as fast in karmic as it did in jaunty for me but in jaunty that was the end of the boot
[18:30] <Amaranth> I expected to get X in 5 seconds, not 15
[18:30] <penguin42> Amaranth: Does some stuff need to get added to the readahead lists or someone go and find out wtf is getting accessed and remove excess crud?
[18:30] <Amaranth> penguin42: I have no idea
[18:31] <thiebaude> Amaranth, so far 9.04 is faster to start than 9.10 for me
[18:31] <mac_v> me too
[18:31] <Amaranth> penguin42: We use sreadahead now which is great for SSD but not so good for HDD
[18:31] <mikejet> the fundamental bug with AV media is it is way too confusing and there are way too many projects to configure.
[18:31] <Amaranth> Apparently karmic starts really fast if you do a clean install now
[18:31] <yofel> thiebaude: you could try to chart jaunty and karmic with bootchart and find out what takes longer
[18:31] <thiebaude> ok
[18:31] <Amaranth> yofel: A bit late now :)
[18:31] <akio> I did a clean install and it starts very quickly, I haven't tweaked any services either
[18:31] <penguin42> Amaranth: Hmm pity that it doesn't use the one best for the device it's on
[18:32] <thiebaude> well, the blank screen is what does it
[18:32] <Amaranth> penguin42: well scott claims sreadahead is as good as readahead-list for HDD
[18:32] <mac_v> thiebaude: check the log if some module is stalling /me had a webcam module which cause delays
[18:32] <penguin42> Amaranth: I should have a look at it - I keep thinking it needs triggering on resume from hibernate
[18:32] <Amaranth> err, no
[18:33] <Amaranth> resume from hibernate is reading 1 file
[18:33] <penguin42> Amaranth: No, after that
[18:33] <penguin42> Amaranth: I find lots and lots of stuff is swapped out
[18:33] <Amaranth> sreadahead and readahead-list only handle boot stuff
[18:33] <thiebaude> mac_v, which log and where?
[18:33] <Amaranth> penguin42: Everything is swapped out, intentionally
[18:33] <Amaranth> penguin42: suspend and hibernate drop all caches so they have room to work
[18:34] <Amaranth> so not even swapped out, really
[18:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: Yeh but what I'd like is for it to go and start fetching stuff off disk for the X apps I'm inevitably going to use - e.g. the screensaver
[18:34] <Amaranth> just no more HD cache
[18:34] <mac_v> thiebaude: syslog and kernel logs , but mainly syslogs , you could use the graphical logviewer from the system> administration menu
[18:34] <thiebaude> mac_v, ok, thanks alot
[18:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: At the moment I come out of hibernate and every app crawls along slowly as it gets swapped in, it could do some of that for me
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: not the job of sreadahead :)
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: you want to install preload
[18:35] <thiebaude> mac_v, i got it, what item on the left do i look at?
[18:35] <penguin42> Amaranth: readahead just takes a list of files to do the read on - it just needs the same stuff from a different list
[18:35] <thiebaude> system log viewer
[18:35] <Amaranth> penguin42: sreadahead is a little different
[18:36] <gogereaver1> anyone knoe why my touchpad isnt working
[18:36] <thiebaude> !details
[18:36] <penguin42> Amaranth: Oh, I'll have a look at it and preload - thanks for the tip; I was wondering about doing something like during hibernate noting the X apps and generating a list to be fetched in the background on resume
[18:37] <mac_v> thiebaude: check for any multiple repetitions , for me it was something like > vc032x: i2c bs busy wait
[18:37] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[18:37] <BenBu> kubuntu 9.10: kpackagekit doesn't work for me, says I don't have the "necessary privileges", and then crashes. even if I start it with "kdesudo kpackagekit"
[18:37] <gogereaver1> its a eeepc 900a the touchpad works untill i login
[18:37] <thiebaude> brb
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: is it the whole touchpad that stops or just tap to click?
[18:38] <gogereaver1> tap
[18:38] <mac_v> that was my webcam module
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: This is by design
[18:38] <gogereaver1> wtf
[18:38] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: Turn it on again in System->Preferences->Mouse if you want it back
[18:38] <gasg> In 9.10 running kernel 2.6.31, this is really uncompatible it seems with these netbook like aa1, eepc etc...
[18:38] <gogereaver1> why would it be off
[18:39] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: because it's too easy to trigger accidentally while typing
[18:39] <AnAnt> Hello, gnome-bluetooth does not ask if I want to "Access internet using the mobile phone" after I successfully pair with that phone
[18:39] <yofel> gasg: I have a eeePC 1000H and 2.6.31 works flawless
[18:39] <gasg> the kernel need to be patched.. I think the team done first to final release
[18:39] <gogereaver1> sence when
[18:39] <gasg> yofel: really?
[18:39] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: it is hardware dependent
[18:39] <mac_v> gogereaver1:
[18:40] <mac_v> oops!
[18:40] <AnAnt> although Gnome mentions in its 2.28.0 release notes that gnome-bluetooth & network-manager work together
[18:40] <gasg> yofel: on my aa1 it didn't works
[18:40] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: On my laptop old laptop I trigger the tap to click whenever I try to use the touchpad to move
[18:40] <gogereaver1> i dont see how anyone could hit the touchpad wile typing
[18:40] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: You must have smaller hands
[18:40] <penguin42> gogereaver1: I do it
[18:40] <gogereaver1> duder its a eee
[18:40] <mac_v> gogereaver1: as Amaranth says its hardware dependant :)
[18:40] <gogereaver1> dude
[18:41] <penguin42> There's a demon somewhere that disables the touchpad while you type
[18:41] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: and on some touchpads you don't even have to tap, just hovering close by counts
[18:41] <gogereaver1> very small keybord and i stildont do it
[18:41] <mac_v> penguin42: syndaemon ?
[18:41] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[18:41] <penguin42> mac_v: Rings a bell
[18:41] <gogereaver1> well msot you can change how sentive they are
[18:41] <gogereaver1> mine you need to give it a good tap
[18:42] <Amaranth> I have hands so big the original Xbox controller seemed like a perfect fit so I'm not the normal for this case I guess :)
[18:42] <mac_v> lol ^
[18:42] <gogereaver1> i can make it just a touch if i whanted
[18:42] <gogereaver1> i just turn down its sentivty
[18:42] <gogereaver1> works great
[18:43] <mac_v> gogereaver1: similarly just turn on the tap-toclick ;)
[18:43] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: But what level of sensitivity is right is different for each user and each laptop
[18:43] <gogereaver1> oh i did its working now :)
[18:43] <penguin42> Is the gui for adjusting it installed by default these days?
[18:43] <myk_robinson> I have a laptop with Bluetooth, and cannot disable it in BIOS. How can I turn of the Bluetooth chip and not just the service?
[18:43] <gogereaver1> lol thats why you can adjust it
[18:43] <mac_v> penguin42: yup
[18:44] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: You shouldn't have to
[18:44] <Amaranth> gogereaver1: Thus tap to click off by default
[18:44] <gogereaver1> eee touchpads normal click is mutch worse then the touch
[18:44] <Amaranth> I disagree
[18:44] <Amaranth> See how that woks?
[18:45] <gogereaver1> and they ware
[18:45] <Amaranth> works*
[18:45] <gogereaver1> oh it took me a wile to get used to it
[18:45] <gogereaver1> never owing a laptop befor
[18:46] <Amaranth> yeah, that isn't the problem
[18:46] <Amaranth> I use tap to click on my macbook
[18:46] <gogereaver1> oh
[18:46] <gogereaver1> those small touchpads
[18:46] <gogereaver1> yea they can be a pain
[18:46] <Amaranth> it's not small
[18:47] <Amaranth> anyway...
[18:47]  * Amaranth goes to do something else
[18:47] <gogereaver1> lol
[18:48] <gogereaver1> lol the topic it outdated
[18:48] <gogereaver1> beta got relesed today
[18:48]  * penguin42 waits for the flood
[18:48] <rsk> correct
[18:49] <AnAnt> anyone tried GPRS/3G connection using NetworkManager + gnome-bluetooth on karmic ?
[18:50] <gogereaver1> try and tell us how it goes
[18:50] <gogereaver1> .lim likin the new unr look
[18:50] <gogereaver1> alot cleaner
[18:50] <arvind_khadri> hi, is gyachi not there for karmic yet?
[18:51] <nonix4> penguin42: servers got overloaded more than 24 hours ago in fact... my puny adsl link has uploaded only about 15 gigs of them torrents so far
[18:51] <gogereaver1> i just found a fast mirror
[18:51] <penguin42> nonix4: I actually meant of the people on here asking questions :-)
[18:52] <myk_robinson> anyone here using Karmic on a tablet PC?
[18:52] <gogereaver1> isnt mid for tablets
[18:55] <gogereaver1> i like the new look
[18:55] <gogereaver1> boots fast even on my slow ssd
[18:56] <arvind_khadri> !gyachi
[18:56] <gogereaver1> you can probly install the older deb
[18:56] <gogereaver1> isnt that that yahoo voice chat thing
[18:57] <arvind_khadri> ya, with webcam support
[18:57] <yofel> !search gyachi
[18:57] <yofel> !find gyachi
[18:58] <gogereaver1> i dont think its every been in the main repo
[18:58] <gogereaver1> ever
[18:58]  * yofel never heard of iit
[18:58] <gogereaver1> its a yahoo chat client for linux
[18:58] <gogereaver1> webcam and voice supoport
[18:58] <yofel> bah, my stupid eeePC keyboard keeps doubling key presses sometimes... annoying
[18:59] <gogereaver1> vs the ggenrec one yahoo has
[18:59] <gogereaver1> lol
[18:59] <gogereaver1> eeepc are just everywhere
[18:59] <yofel> gogereaver1: they're really handy ;)
[18:59] <gogereaver1> i just wish they would just m$ to gget Fed\
[19:00] <gogereaver1> and build dule core ones
[19:00] <yofel> +1 (but with an option to disable a core)
[19:00] <gogereaver1> atom dules are just as efecent as the n270
[19:01] <ibkanat> I just upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and now I HAVE NO AUDIO?? MCP51 High Definition Audio
[19:01] <gogereaver1> there puutting em in power effecent desktops
[19:01] <ibkanat> what do I do?
[19:01] <yofel> gogereaver1: cool :)
[19:01] <gogereaver1> and they can preform very well
[19:01] <gogereaver1> just as powerfull as a normal laptop
[19:01] <yofel> ibkanat: check pavucontrol or padevchooser if a sink is muted somewhere
[19:02] <ibkanat> thanks checking
[19:02] <yofel> ibkanat: then check alsamixer or test it with aplay and report a bug agains alsa-base if it still doesn't work
[19:03] <ibkanat> wasnt installed
[19:03] <Zvezdichko> Hey, I have a problem here. After upgrading /dev/sda1 refuses to mount with Dolphin. It now says: Volume (ntfs), the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.InvalidMountOption: The option ' locale=bg_BG.UTF-8" is not allowed for uid=1000
[19:03] <akio> I wonder if rebootless kernel upgrades are in the future
[19:03] <akio> ksplice I think?
[19:03] <yofel> ibkanat: I once had a problem with muted audio that was fixed after just rebooting again too
[19:03] <ibkanat> rebooted already
[19:04] <gogereaver1> probly not
[19:04] <ibkanat> doesnt show any hardware in the audio
[19:04] <yofel> Zvezdichko: It's a known issue, let me look for the bug
[19:04] <gogereaver1> updating the kernel is updating the core
[19:04] <ibkanat> installing pavucontrol now
[19:04] <gogereaver1> be inpossbale to make it rebootless
[19:05] <Zvezdichko> yofel - is there a way to mount it manually without switching to root and via command prompt
[19:06] <yofel> Zvezdichko: it's bug 395079, there's a workaround at the bottom too, ask me again if that doesn't work
[19:06] <ibkanat> ok rebooting to see if installing pavucontrol helped
[19:07] <Zvezdichko> yofel: I thought it's a config file issue :) Obviously I'm not a good tester
[19:07] <yofel> Zvezdichko: well, it somewhat is a config file issue, but it needs to be fixed in ntfs-3g
[19:08] <luca> hi everyone
[19:08] <yofel> wb luca
[19:08] <luca> hi yofel
[19:09] <thiebaude> hi luca
[19:09] <luca> should I repeat my problem, still unsolved? Or is there some kind soul who can help me on that? :)
[19:09] <SandGorgon> tried Windows 7 build on my spare laptop today - I get 45 minutes more power than Ubuntu. sigh
[19:09] <BluesKaj> I wonder if Skype is installable without ruining the audio setup with kde ?...there's lots of info about skype on gnome but very little on kde
[19:10] <yofel> luca: I have never used encryption so I doubt I can help you
[19:10] <luca> yofel ok thanks :)
[19:11] <luca> hi thiebaude
[19:11] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, in a previous incarnation I had used KDE with Skype - they work out-of-the-box. May I also strongly recommend the static build of Skype 2.1 - which is far, far better audio quality than "apt-get skype"
[19:11]  * thiebaude goes to cook shrimp
[19:12] <luca> oh wait
[19:12] <luca> ok, here is the problem
[19:12] <luca> it seems that my default user is no more present in the machine
[19:13] <luca> "su luca" results in "Id «luca» unknown" which does not happen if I use a newly created user from the cli
[19:13] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, what about the reported probs with Skype requiring Pulseaudio in order to run on kubuntu ..my version of PA doesn't work ..I had to purge it.
[19:13] <luca> so: what could have caused the deletion of my user? How can I retrieve everything considering that the home is encrypted?
[19:14] <ibkanat> hmm still no audio in 9.10 after upgrade how do i test with alsa-base?
[19:14] <Zvezdichko> OK, I patched the hald file... How can I restard HAL? Sorry, forgotten totally
[19:15] <ibkanat> also when I restarted this poped up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/381721
[19:16] <yofel> Zvezdichko: 'sudo service hal restart'
[19:16] <Zvezdichko> Thanks. Patch works fine
[19:16] <ibkanat> also I cant powerdown without it locking up
[19:16] <akio> the servers are screaming
[19:17] <luca> sul
[19:17] <Zvezdichko> I wonder what else to test now :)
[19:17] <yofel> akio: you guys could use mirrors, that would help ;)
[19:17] <Pretto> how can i make  my touchpad tap work again? it only works on login screen
[19:17] <akio> that is what I am doing right now
[19:17] <akio> im switching
[19:18] <kaddi> german mirror is working just fine for me :)
[19:18] <yofel> Pretto: re-enable it in the mouse settings
[19:18] <yofel> kaddi: +1 :)
[19:18] <kaddi> :)
[19:18] <Pretto> yofel, thank you
[19:19] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, hmm.. yup the newer skype is supposed to work "with PulseAudio". I would suggest trying out with ALSA directly, if at all it is possible
[19:19] <ibkanat> is there any hope? or am I sol
[19:19] <yofel> ibkanat: we can't help you if you don't tell us the exact point it locks up
[19:19] <test34> skype can be used with alsa only if pulseaudio is not installed (or not running)
[19:20] <Andy80> I'm back to testing ;)
[19:20] <ibkanat> just tried this user@ubuntu:~$ aplay -l
[19:20] <ibkanat> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found..
[19:21] <Andy80> well... I've found indicator-applet 0.1 but it's not very good for Telepaty, I mean: when I get a message, if I click on it i'd like the message window to open... but it doesn't
[19:21] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, yeah the kernel modules/drivers on pci sound cards have a problem with pulseaudio...pulseaudio tries run on top which results in choppy stuttery sound
[19:21] <yofel> ibkanat: I had that once, a reboot fixed it, it you still have that issue report a bug against alsa-base
[19:21] <ibkanat> yofel thanks doesnt fix from reboot
[19:22] <yofel> ibkanat: than report a bug on launchpad with 'ubuntu-bug alsa-base'
[19:22] <ibkanat> yofel ok thanks
[19:22] <akio> I can walk to the servers that I found my fastest mirror.
[19:23] <akio> in 30 mins
[19:23] <Zvezdichko> Hm... there's a potential issue... I'm having trouble with OpenArena. Sometimes sounds freezes and the whole desktop crashes (only killing X in command prompt hells).  DOn't know if it's a driver issue or if I can reproduce it with another game/program
[19:23] <yofel> akio: I would need to take the train for about 20mins :P
[19:24] <akio> mine is a local university
[19:24] <test34> Zvezdichko, try installing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio (which replaces libsdl1.2debian-alsa)
[19:24] <Perry__> hey all, installed 9.10 on a comp over windows (on a new partition).   Now, windows options aren't showing up in the bootloader.  How can I fix that in grub2?
[19:24] <neglesaks> I'm happy to report that Karmic Beta + 1 run of Update manaer has made the Lenovo IdeaPad ACPI work seemingly well.
[19:25] <test34> Zvezdichko, it fixed a similar problem with a quake based game
[19:25] <yofel> Perry__: try installing os-prober then run 'sudo os-prober && sudo update-grub'
[19:25] <akio> I would use the stanza that was given as an example in the old menu.lst
[19:25] <akio> os-prober? that doesn't sound very comfortable
[19:25] <yofel> akio: the syntax of grub2 is different from grub1
[19:25] <akio> i know
[19:26] <Zvezdichko> test34: are you sure? is it a common problem?
[19:26] <test34> Zvezdichko, I found the solution online.. some other people had the same problem, but I don't know how common it is
[19:26] <Zvezdichko> OK...
[19:27] <Zvezdichko> I'll do one hard reboot, look for other bugs. Anyway, surprised this is the most stable beta I've ever played with iin recent years
[19:28] <test34> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/372843
[19:29] <Andy80> p.s: why my Telepathy doesn't support audio/video calls on MSN and it supports on GTalk?
[19:32] <test34> Andy80, just a guess but maybe just because it's a different protocol and MSN isnt fully implemented yet
[19:34] <Zvezdichko> Restarted! Very clean beta of Ubuntu, no critical bugs. The only thing that annoys me is that networkmanager constantly changest my resolv.conf
[19:34] <Andy80> uff.... Cheese isn't working too :(
[19:34] <test34> Zvezdichko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/372843
[19:36] <yofel> Zvezdichko: if you want to change the dns server you need to edit your NM profile
[19:36] <yofel> which is broken in gnome at the moment iirc
[19:37] <kaddi_> use wicd :D
[19:37] <Zvezdichko> test34: much thanks...
[19:37] <cybersplice> Really enjoying Karmic, so far. Not encountered anything particularly awful in general use.
[19:37] <yofel> nope, use kde :P
[19:37] <jdsbluedev> hey, anyone experiencing slow download speeds from the servers?
[19:37] <kaddi_> uh, nm is finally working under kde? :p
[19:38] <kaddi_> it only took them 2 releases to make that applet usable :p
[19:38] <yofel> jdsbluedev: if you use the main servers they're hopelessly overloaded
[19:38] <hatchetman82> anyone have issues with 9.10 beta not recognizing via-based wifi cards ?
[19:38] <yofel> jdsbluedev: use a mirror instead
[19:38] <jdsbluedev> yeah, I'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:38] <test34> for setting static IP and./OR dns, just modify /etc/network/interfaces (it keeps my settings after a reboot)
[19:38] <hatchetman82> or gdm dying in a loop after when shutting down after the initial install (from cd)
[19:38] <Zvezdichko> yofel: Hmm, yes, networkmanager is broken... We'll wait until next update, probably
[19:39] <cybersplice> jdsbluedev, Yes.
[19:39] <yofel> Zvezdichko: the gui is broken, you could edit the gconf profile by hand or try what test34 said
[19:39] <jdsbluedev> ok, thx.  Is that from the number of new beta testers coming on?
[19:40] <yofel> jdsbluedev: well, more like too many people not using mirrors :/
[19:40] <kaddi_> I would like to report bugs for karmic, that's why I upgraded :(
[19:40] <test34> here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastie.org/640640
[19:40] <kaddi_> But I ain't finding any :D
[19:40] <Zvezdichko> kaddi_: yes, Very clean Karmic with very few bugs
[19:40] <yofel> kaddi_: think yourself lucky ;)
[19:41] <kaddi_> :)
[19:41] <Zvezdichko> ahm... are there critical bugs?
[19:41] <Zvezdichko> of which I'm not aware
[19:42] <test34> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs
[19:42] <test34> did you read all those
[19:42] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, odd, i have skype static 2.1 installed and get sounds from the mic coming thru just fine , but when I do a call test with skype , nothing plays back.
[19:42] <Zvezdichko> yes, I'm currently browsing the launchpad
[19:43] <Zvezdichko> Wow! This looks scary, test34!
[19:43] <yofel> Zvezdichko: well, the really annoying and most noticable ones were fixed in the '100 paper cuts' project
[19:43] <test34> my webcam stopped working in Karmic
[19:43] <test34> but I think it is because of the kernel
[19:44] <Zvezdichko> i915: black screen on boot ... And this is marked as critical? It's just a cosmetical deffect
[19:44] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, configure its audio settings - this is a bit of black magic : typically you will have many choices for this .
[19:45] <test34> Zvezdichko, probably mean that the login screen doesnt come up at all?
[19:45] <yofel> Zvezdichko: the bug is about the screen being powered off instead of the login screen appearing -> BAD
[19:46] <Zvezdichko> test34: No, it really doesn't come up... I can see the system booting and the fsck checking my hard drive, but in text mode - that's all
[19:47] <Zvezdichko> nothing of great significance, anyway
[19:47] <Zvezdichko> but I see there are reports of failure to boot at all... this is bad indeed
[19:48] <kaddi_> was /etc/bash_completion modified from karmic to jaunty?
[19:49] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, the black screen , i also have
[19:49] <Zvezdichko> Yes, this is not a big deal
[19:49] <yofel> kaddi_: there is a new version of bash-completion in karmic yes
[19:49] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, exactly
[19:50]  * penguin42 thought I saw an update sometime in the last week
[19:50] <yofel> Zvezdichko: you have a plack screen after boot? how do you login then?
[19:50] <kaddi_> yofel: I have some weird behaviour with tab-completion, is there a (n easy) way to see the modifications?
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> yofel: The behaviour is like this one: Black screen (booting ... booting, only a fsck message) - then GDM suddenly loads - this is what I'm talking again
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> cosmetic deffect
[19:51] <thiebaude> yofel, mine is a black screen while it loads then login comes up
[19:51] <yofel> kaddi_: the version scheme in karmic is different than the one in jaunty, so 'aptitude changelog bash-completion' would be the best way to check it I guess
[19:51] <Zvezdichko> thiebaude: yes, this is what i'm talking about exactly!
[19:51] <yofel> Zvezdichko: yes, but that's not what the bug is about ;)
[19:52] <thiebaude> Zvezdichko, still more updates to go
[19:52] <yofel> Zvezdichko: what you have seems like an issue with xsplash
[19:52] <Zvezdichko> HOP! Audacious sound bug just came out!
[19:52] <Zvezdichko> checking the launchpad
[19:52] <thiebaude> yofel, yep xsplash
[19:52] <thiebaude> its not a show-stopper
[19:53] <akio> mine is
[19:53] <akio> my usb support is broken
[19:53] <Zvezdichko> yofel: Yes... I'll see if it's reported... and probably going to report the audacious issue
[19:53] <yofel> akio: completely or just a specific device?
[19:53] <akio> all ports are as if dead
[19:53] <yofel> ok, bad
[19:54] <rrva> how to setup wpa2 wifi in connman?
[19:54] <Zvezdichko> Yes, XSplash bug is reported
[19:54] <yofel> akio: checked dmesg if there are any usb ehci/uhci errors?
[19:54] <Perry__> hey all, can anyone point me to where I can learn how to get windows7 added into grub2 boot menu (guessing need to add it to /boot/grub/grub.cfg) after installing 9.10 on a partition on this comp?   Thanks.
[19:54] <Zvezdichko> so no need to report anything new
[19:54] <akio> there is a weird bit in the log
[19:54] <yofel> Zvezdichko: which one is it?
[19:54] <akio> I posted it earlier
[19:54] <akio> pasted*
[19:55] <yofel> !grub2 | Perry__
[19:55] <Perry__> thank you guys
[19:55] <akio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/284756/
[19:55] <Zvezdichko> I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/xsplash/+bug/413348 ... brb for now
[19:56] <akio> I have seen messages like "you recovered from a serious kernel flake" or something
[19:57] <akio> I know the ports are good, I can run a live USB off of them.
[19:57] <yofel> I'm looking through LP right now
[19:57] <hatchetman82> ....anyone else notice launchpad is under heavy load when trying to report a bug ?
[19:58] <hatchetman82> and whats the package name for ubiquity ? (the installer)
[19:58] <yofel> hatchetman82: ubiquity
[19:59] <hatchetman82> doh >_<
[19:59] <hatchetman82> thanks
[19:59] <yofel> np ;)
[19:59] <akio> I have seen everyone blaming it on hardware but I test hardware for a job.
[20:03] <akio> yofel, anything?
[20:03] <yofel> akio: still searching, LP has a lot usb bugs...
[20:03] <akio> I have another bug open that may be related
[20:04]  * Andy80 think that Ubuntu 9.10 should be released 4-5 months later... there are simply too many bugs :\
[20:05] <mortal> if it boots, ship it
[20:05] <akio> I love alpha
[20:05] <mortal> no problems here
[20:05] <rsk> Andy80: feel free to fork it
[20:05] <mortal> on karmic
[20:05] <Andy80> akio: actually it's a beta... but it behaves like a pre-alpha...
[20:06] <akio> Andy80, I go alpha as soon as its available
[20:06] <penguin42> it's not too bad for me - but I think every so often a pure bug fix release would be good
[20:06] <Andy80> Cheese doesn't work, Telepathy is simply a big mountain of bugs, not an IM, not counting the problems I had at boot...
[20:06] <akio> my gnome-menu icon takes a good 7 clicks to start working
[20:07] <akio> but it is faster than ever after those 7 clicks
[20:07] <yofel> akio: when I used gnome it just needed a few seconds to open
[20:07] <yofel> no idea why...
[20:08] <yofel> note: the first time I opened it, after that it opened immediately
[20:10] <yofel> akio: just found bug 435352
[20:10] <hatchetman82> and wow, 2 bug reports just from installing the beta, and i still dont have wifi. this is going to be fun :-)
[20:10] <yofel> hatchetman82: what wifi card do you have?
[20:11] <hatchetman82> dont remember the exact model. its via vt6656 based
[20:11] <yofel> hatchetman82: run 'lspci' in a terminal, that should give you the exact one
[20:11] <test34> which webcam would you recommend
[20:12] <diverse_izzue> have people tried ekiga in karmic? it's extremely crashy and hangy for me, i think it doesn't like pulseaudio
[20:12] <hatchetman82> yofel: it doesnt appear on lspci anyehre
[20:12] <akio> yofel, you are the $&*%. In a good way.
[20:13] <akio> thank you
[20:13] <Andy80> if you chage your status in "indicator-applet-session 0.1" is its icon updated?
[20:13] <yofel> akio: :P
[20:13] <yofel> hatchetman82: can you pastebin your lspci output? 'lspci | pastebinit' (you might have to install pastebinit first)
[20:14] <viki> hi all, i am not able to get a framebuffer console working on my computer with Karmic. With Jaunty it was ok. The video card is an integrated via unichrome pro. Now when i boot the pc there is even no xsplash stuff appearing on the screen... can anybody help?
[20:14] <hatchetman82> yofel : kinda hard to do with no network connection on that machine, but hold on while i hook it up with a cable :-)
[20:14] <akio> yofel, I already knew it was my bug, I have one of those Bison chips
[20:15] <yofel> hatchetman82: you can also just pastebin it on paste.ubuntu.com on another machine ;)
[20:17] <hatchetman82> yofel: looks like im just screwed from here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/162671
[20:17] <hatchetman82> thats my exact motherboard
[20:17] <akio> yofel, http://pastebin.com/f1b4e7dd7
[20:17] <hatchetman82> does that bot parse launchpad bug links for the description ?
[20:18] <penguin42> hatchetman82: Yep
[20:18] <yofel> hatchetman82: yes, ubottu is really handy ;)
[20:18] <yofel> !me | hatchetman82
[20:19] <penguin42> he's a well trained bot
[20:19] <hatchetman82> thats cool
[20:19] <shiznebit> does he do tricks
[20:19] <shiznebit> ?
[20:19] <chx_> I have a slight problem. I made a mistake with my /etc/sudoers file -- now i can't sudo. The karmic grub menu is hidden. I can't make my USB stick writeable because permission denied. So how do I boot to single user?
[20:19] <yofel> hatchetman82: you can also just say bug xxxxx and he'll get the description and link
[20:19] <yofel> err... she
[20:19] <penguin42> chx_: I think you can the grub menu holding down shift
[20:20] <chx_> shift?
[20:20] <penguin42> yofel: Woah, it's a she robot?
[20:20] <shiznebit> how do i remove the count down thing in the grub menu during boot
[20:20] <chx_> bbiab
[20:20] <penguin42> chx_: yeh shift key
[20:20] <shiznebit> its 8 seconds
[20:20] <shiznebit> what do i change so that its 2 seconds ?
[20:22] <hatchetman82> not having a driver will make the device not appear in lspci right ? or does not appearing in lspci mean there's an even bigger problem with device listing ?
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: the device will always show in lspci, driver or not, as long as the hardware is detected
[20:23] <hatchetman82> hmm .... so i have a bigger issue
[20:23] <hatchetman82> or i might be an idiot. do usb devices appear on lspci ?
[20:23] <penguin42> hatchetman82: No! They appear on lsusb!
[20:24] <penguin42> (the USB controllers should appear on the lspci)
[20:24] <hatchetman82> yeah, idiot it is then. thanks
[20:24] <hatchetman82> there's one usb device with no description whatsoever, this might be it
[20:24] <hatchetman82> can your bot run vendor/device ids ?
[20:25] <hatchetman82> yeah, thats my wireless card, its listed
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: could use: sudo lshw -C network
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> hatchetman82: will show all network devices, configured or not
[20:27] <ikt> how do I configure the hard drive to boot ubuntu in <10 seconds please
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> ikt: use bum to reduce startup services
[20:27] <akio> yofel, its the uvcvideo kernel module
[20:27] <akio> it is the bug i reported earlier
[20:28] <ikt> thank you
[20:28] <ikt> btw this vodka tastes like crying
[20:28] <yofel> akio: i doubt i can help you further then
[20:29] <hatchetman82> ActionParsnip: lshw noly finds the (wired) ethernet controller
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> ikt: gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/rc
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> ikt: change CONCURRENCY=none    to CONCURRENCY=shell    if you have dual core, this has issues with encryptfs so do NOT do this is you use encryptfs
[20:30] <duffydack> ikt, do you mean boot time or do you mean the boot menu time ?
[20:30] <duffydack> just a thought
[20:30] <chx> hey
[20:30] <ibkanat> ok I think I may have found the source of some of my problems.... grub is boot 9.04 kernel(2.6.28) for 9.10 how do I update so it sees the new kernels and gives me a option to use them? I tried sudo grub-update
[20:30] <chx> shift worked
[20:30] <chx> thanks.
[20:30] <ibkanat> also I ran grub-install (GNU GRUB 0.97)
[20:31] <ibkanat> so I am not using 2
[20:31] <ikt> I don't have encryptofs
[20:31] <ibkanat> what do  ido?
[20:31] <ibkanat> yofel any ideas
[20:31] <ikt> hi
[20:31] <hatchetman82> w00t, wired works
[20:31] <yofel> hm...
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> ikt: then you can use that, makes boots fast, bum will reduce bootup fluff
[20:31] <ikt> ibkanat, is your name reandom leters?
[20:31] <TBM_> hi guys
[20:31] <yofel> ibkanat: are the kernels properly installed in /boot ?
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> ikt: some of the services will not be needed by you and can be disabled
[20:32] <ikt> Valid options are 'none', 'startpar' and 'makefile'. ?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> SandGorgon, for some reasson skype isn't connecting to the mic thru the soundcard buss. i can hear the n=mic htru headset and spkrs just fine ..tried all skype options for mic on the soundcard , I think the record ctrls  are not opened or are muted in skype
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> ikt: if you use static IP, uninstall network manager, setup IP in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:32] <ibkanat> yofel yes
[20:32] <yofel> ok, odd...
[20:32] <ibkanat> i think I must have used the old menu.lst
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> ikt: then you wont have to wait for network manager to load and take time
[20:33] <ibkanat> grub2 is different though...
[20:33] <yofel> well, if you have grub1 then update-grub should still update the menu.lst
[20:33] <ikt> nice
[20:33] <ikt> cheers :)
[20:33] <ibkanat> hmm didnt though
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> ikt: stock ubuntu settings aren't great but you can make them sweet
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> ikt: like default firefox settings
[20:34] <ibkanat> ok trying again blb
[20:34] <ibkanat> bbl
[20:34] <ikt> :D
[20:35] <rxd> how do i get a text file out the packages installed on ubuntu
[20:35] <rsk> rxd: in synaptic
[20:35] <socomm> Help karmic broke my audio!!!!
[20:36] <rsk> socomm: report bug
[20:36] <socomm> meh
[20:36] <rsk> hem
[20:36] <rxd> is there a terminal base program that i can see without using synaptic
[20:36] <socomm> rxd: what do you mean
[20:36] <yofel> rxd: ?
[20:37] <rsk> man dpkg
[20:37] <epsilon_> I installed Ubuntu 9.04, upgraded to 9.10, and then installed kubuntu-desktop, since I only had a 9.04 cd here. All that worked well, but now when I tried to remove ubuntu-desktop, it only removed a small portion of the actual ubuntu-desktop packages; how can I remove the rest of them (easily)? (I.e, I know I can remove them one-by-one, but I was looking for a quicker way, if that is possible.)
[20:37] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, make sure you disable mic-as-speaker and mute some of your other volume controls like "front speakers" , etc. - what happens is that ubuntu confuses the mic with some other audio device
[20:37] <SandGorgon> BluesKaj, trial and error !
[20:37] <rxd> like i have a list of text file (packages.txt) of all the packages installed in ubuntu, how can i make one
[20:38] <socomm> rxd: dpkg -l > list_of_installed_packages.txt
[20:38] <socomm> rxd: i'm guessing you want a list of all your installed files on a text file, correct?
[20:38] <rxd> socomm: yes that's what i want
[20:39] <BluesKaj> ran out of trial and error options , SandGorgon ..but I'll try again
[20:39] <BluesKaj> bbl
[20:39] <socomm> rxd: yeah run that command I provided earlier, it'll get you want you want
[20:40] <mercutio22> the latest upgrade broke compiz on my netbook, should I report that or is everyone experiencing the same?
[20:40] <socomm> mercutio22: yeah I'm not able to get compiz working on your netbook either. :^D
[20:40] <rxd> socomm: and i can also uninstalled packages from dpkg?
[20:40] <socomm> rxd: you may, not sure
[20:40] <socomm> rxd: read the manual 'man dpkg'
[20:41] <mercutio22> socomm: it was working just before the latest update right?
[20:41] <socomm> mercutio22: Im kidding, just a joke.
[20:41] <epsilon_> I'm sorry if my question was silly or whatever, but any answer would help, obviously
[20:42] <socomm> mercutio22: I don't use compiz eats up processor not what I like.
[20:42] <mercutio22> socomm: these atoms cpus can take it very smooth
[20:43] <mercutio22> socomm: but even the UNR interface seems to be much slower now
[20:43] <mercutio22> socomm: with metacity, notwithstanding
[20:43] <socomm> mercutio22: report it as a bug, see if someone can give you fix
[20:44] <socomm> mercutio22: either that or try reverting to 9.4
[20:44] <rxd> socomm: how can i remove openoffice using dkpg, dpkg -r openoffice*
[20:45] <socomm> rxd: think so
[20:45] <socomm> rxd: I'd use apt-get though
[20:45] <socomm> `apt-get remove openoffice'
[20:46] <socomm> rxd: `apt-get remove openoffice.org'
[20:46] <mercutio22> socomm: I would rather report bugs and help. I was just wondering if other people are experiencing that as well
[20:46] <socomm> rxd: that might do what you need it to
[20:46] <socomm> mercutio22: yeah, sorry but I don't use compiz :^)
[20:47] <mercutio22> socomm: np =]]
[20:49] <rxd> after removing all the packages i don't need, i have to recreate filesystem.squashfs right? so i will have a lite ubuntu
[20:50] <rxd> i doubt i can trim ubuntu to say 100mb
[20:50] <raindog> Using karmic, latest updates removed amarok.  I have the kubuntu-ppa added, but can't install amarok as it needs amarok-common (=2:2.2.0-0ubuntu1).  Will this be added to the ppa or am I missing something?
[20:50] <socomm> rxd: not sure about that, sorry
[20:51] <socomm> rxd: you might be using wrong distro if you want small footprint on your computer
[20:51] <rxd> socomm: actually i want to trim it down to say just X
[20:52] <rxd> socomm: the minimal requirement to run X
[20:52] <socomm> rxd: okay
[20:52] <hatchetman82> why ?
[20:52] <socomm> hatchetman82: why not? :^)
[20:52] <hatchetman82> you want a distro that boots from usb to run xclock ? :-)
[20:53] <rxd> socomm: since default ubuntu uses aufs i can just mount any squashfs on the fly and merge it to my root filesystem
[20:53] <socomm> rxd: cool
[20:53] <rxd> and detached it if i don't need it
[20:54] <socomm> hatchetman82: you'd be surprised what you could do with small distros
[20:54] <rxd> which is good for ubuntu on usb
[20:54] <epsilon_> I installed kubuntu-desktop, and uninstalled ubuntu-desktop, but a lot of ubuntu/gnome stuff is still here. How can I remove it?
[20:54] <IdleOne> Ok so how do I figure out why karmic freezes when I try to load any application
[20:55] <IdleOne> !purekde
[20:55] <socomm> epsilon_: try kbuntu they may have good answer there
[20:55] <socomm> epsilon_: #kbuntu soz
[20:55] <epsilon_> socomm: Oh, I didn't realize there were two channels, sorry
[20:55] <IdleOne> it's #kubuntu
[20:56] <socomm> epsilon_: heh yeah, would help if I could spell #kubuntu
[20:56]  * rxd rxd currently running ubuntu 9.10 beta on usb without the writable casper-rw
[21:01] <NoCode> Why doesn't mesa-utils display FPS anymore?
[21:02] <pwnguin> you mean glxgears and friends?
[21:02] <NoCode> yep
[21:02] <pwnguin> because they're meaningless numbers that mainly benchmark how fast you can clear memory?
[21:03] <pwnguin> glxgears is like a single display list of a gear iterated three times in different colors and locations
[21:03] <pwnguin> no textures
[21:03] <NoCode> Why did it have FPS before then?
[21:04] <pwnguin> hysterical raisins
[21:04] <pwnguin> no textures, no pixel shaders, nothing that compares to how the programs you actually want run
[21:05] <pwnguin> if you look carefully, there's usually a command line flag along the lines of -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark
[21:06] <pwnguin> i believe there's a benchmark tool available from phoronix that you might want to look at
[21:08] <hatchetman82> this just keeps getting better
[21:08] <hatchetman82> anyone know what i should do when this happens  : http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5442/afterupdate.jpg
[21:08]  * hatchetman82 is completely clueless
[21:09] <hatchetman82> i just ran a system update and then rebooted afterwards
[21:09] <pwnguin> it says run fsck manually
[21:09] <pwnguin> so
[21:09] <pwnguin> run fsck manually
[21:09] <pwnguin> fsck /dev/sda6
[21:10] <NoCode> !info phoronix
[21:10] <NoCode> heh
[21:10] <yofel> hatchetman82: had that yesterday after starting a jaunty flash-drive, my fix: set date manually - didn't work, check date in bios - was right, rebooted - worked
[21:10] <pwnguin> !info phoronix-test-suite
[21:10] <yofel> no idea how that was supposed to work, but it worked
[21:10]  * hatchetman82 ran fsck
[21:10] <hatchetman82> fsck fixed the last mount date issue
[21:11] <hatchetman82> ill try rebooting now
[21:11] <yofel> hatchetman82: run 'date' on the tty and check if your time is correct
[21:11] <hatchetman82> too late, already rebooted. ill do it if this happens again
[21:12] <hatchetman82> the booted ok
[21:12] <hatchetman82> (the "unable to access /dev ..." and ACPI errors flashed on the screen for a minute, but then gdm came up
[21:14] <shiznebit> what programa do i use to save the video out from my PVR ?
[21:14] <hatchetman82> ....and now indicator-applet dies and apport refuses to report the crash
[21:14] <NoCode> How do I benchmark with Phoronix?
[21:14] <hatchetman82> this just cannot get better :-)
[21:14] <pwnguin> NoCode: no idea.
[21:14] <hatchetman82> how can i manually get the crash log for indicator-applet so i could report it ?
[21:14] <pwnguin> NoCode: i they have a channel though
[21:18] <yofel> hatchetman82: check if you have any .crash files in /var/crash/
[21:19] <hatchetman82> yofel: yes i do (and BTW, the date is ok). what do i do with the .crash file ?
[21:20] <yofel> hatchetman82: the date was ok for me too after I rebooted... don't know why it was wrong the first time
[21:20] <yofel> hatchetman82: and run 'apport-cli -c <crashfile>' to report it
[21:20] <hatchetman82> well, its obvious i wont be migrating to karmic right now, but at least i can try and report everything that explodes
[21:21] <shiznebit> Karmic is de BOMB
[21:21] <shiznebit> im surprised on how well the beta workd
[21:21] <shiznebit> works*
[21:22] <hatchetman82> shiznebit: lucky you
[21:22] <shiznebit> yea
[21:22] <shiznebit> the only thing that glitches is pulse-audio
[21:22] <shiznebit> but im not suprised about that
[21:22] <dtchen> what specifically with pulse?
[21:22] <hatchetman82> yofel: "The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashed."
[21:23] <shiznebit> just jaggar and echo
[21:23] <shiznebit> and jittering
[21:23] <yofel> hatchetman82: o.O first time I see that error...
[21:23] <BluesKaj> I've got most stuff working on the beta but skype doesn't know a mic input from a hole in the ground , but that's really not a big deal
[21:23] <dtchen> shiznebit: are you running _current_ karmic?
[21:23] <hatchetman82> i always knew i was special
[21:23] <shiznebit> dtchen, the beta
[21:23] <hatchetman82> ever since my mommy told me so :-)
[21:23] <yofel> hatchetman82: lol
[21:23] <dtchen> shiznebit: then you're already outdated; new kernel makes a tremendous difference
[21:23] <shiznebit> hmm
[21:24] <shiznebit> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[21:24] <dtchen> BluesKaj: with the skype 2.1 beta?
[21:24] <dtchen> (2.1.0.47-1)
[21:24] <hatchetman82> is a .crash file compressed, or can i zip it to make it smaller ?
[21:24] <hatchetman82> launchpad
[21:24] <hatchetman82> oops
[21:25] <BluesKaj> dtchen, yup
[21:25] <BluesKaj> static version
[21:25] <dtchen> shiznebit: keep in mind that you also will want the staging version of pulse in our ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[21:25] <shiznebit> staging ?
[21:25] <dtchen> (the staging version will be in Karmic shortly)
[21:25] <dtchen> 0.9.19 + patches
[21:26] <yofel> hatchetman82: it contains crash information for apport. if apport says it can't use it then just delete it and wait for the next crash
[21:26] <dtchen> Beta has 0.9.18
[21:27] <ikt> why not run karmic in a vm for pre-testing?
[21:28] <dtchen> ikt: i do recommend it for some things.
[21:28] <hatchetman82> yofel: maybe some dev can make heads or tails out of it
[21:28] <BluesKaj> dtchen, pulseaudio isn't working on my CMedia18738 soundcard , so i'm using alsa direct ..the sound from skype works ok , and mmy mic works fine thru my spkrs .but i think skype has the the audio buss record ctrl (if there is one ) muted or turned off
[21:28] <dtchen> ikt: it's not sensible for things that require bare metal access to debug, however
[21:28] <penguin42> ikt: It's certainly OK for trying a lot of things out, but not checking all the drivers work or if say timing is critical
[21:29] <dtchen> BluesKaj: what do you mean it isn't working?
[21:29] <yofel> hatchetman82: not sure, you could ask the others in #ubuntu-bugs for help with apport
[21:30] <ikt> that's true
[21:30] <BluesKaj> no sound , dtchen ...silence , like a mute is turned on in system settings media audio test option
[21:30] <dtchen> BluesKaj: ok, so that's not terribly descriptive. do you have a debugging dump from pulseaudio -vvvv for me?
[21:30] <keithburton> Hey - was debating whether to try the beta on my *pause* HP2133 mini note.  Had a hell of a time getting a semi-decent installation of 9.04 to work with usual problems with wifi and via display...  just wondering if 9.10 had any imrproved support for the 2133's chipset?
[21:31] <dtchen> BluesKaj: there are only two major bugs that i know of for silence - one is the udev enumeration; the other is the alsactl race
[21:32] <dtchen> BluesKaj: the former can be debugged with udevadm trigger
[21:32] <keithburton> oops - try again Hey - was debating whether to try the beta on my *pause* HP2133 mini note.  Had a hell of a time getting a semi-decent installation of 9.04 to work with usual problems with wifi and via display...  just wondering if 9.10 had any imrproved support for the 2133's chipset?
[21:32] <BluesKaj> dtchen, sorry not atm , I purged PA , cuz it was overiding my soundcard kernel module
[21:32] <dtchen> BluesKaj: ok, well, that's how you would go about debugging it
[21:32] <duffydack> dtchen, do you know why mine is only able to use the amplified outoput, making it too loud, and everytime I set it all semi-decent using alsamixer, as soon as I touch the volume in gnome it goes all to wack and blows my head off
[21:33] <mercutio22> keithburton: there's a bug making the UNR interfave pretty slow
[21:33] <BluesKaj> I undestand that skype will work without PA , so I'm doing some research on that aspect
[21:33] <hatchetman82> whats is indicator-applet anyway ?
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: yes, i have a patch for that that will not be applied for Karmic. You can either apt-get source pulseaudio and see debian/patches/0090-use-volume-ignore-for-analog-output.patch, or you can see bazaar.launchpad.net
[21:34] <penguin42> hatchetman82: It does that little username/status light on the panel and is modular so that it can add things to themenu for logout/away status and stuff
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: do you read planet.ubuntu.com?
[21:34] <duffydack> dtchen, sorry no
[21:34] <dtchen> duffydack: because if you don't, i blogged about it
[21:34] <keithburton> mercutio - yeah - even on 9.04 UNR was down as a Tier3 install, so wasn't really thinking abut that for 9.10.
[21:35] <duffydack> dtchen, so if I apply that patch, will any updates for karmic wipe that patch out?
[21:35] <dtchen> duffydack: yes
[21:35] <shiznebit> dtchen, i can't get the new kernel
[21:35] <dtchen> duffydack: it's a one-line change; you can always just edit it.
[21:35] <shiznebit> nothing is listed
[21:35] <BluesKaj> dtchen, are you recommending a PA version not in the repos ?
[21:35] <dtchen> BluesKaj: of course i am. that's the version that gets uploaded TO the repos.
[21:35] <duffydack> dtchen, fail for me then.  sound in 9.10 is a big problem for me, I really dont wanna switch till I know its working for me..
[21:36] <ikt> which are you dtchen?
[21:36] <ikt> i read the planet
[21:36] <dtchen> BluesKaj: i don't stop fixing bugs just because main is frozen for an alpha, Beta, RC, final, whatever.
[21:36] <duffydack> dtchen, hmm ok I guess..  I`d rather have a mixer like jaunty,  and a way to control 1 channel and not 2 or 3 like it is, but I guess thats not changing now.  shame,
[21:36] <dtchen> duffydack: it _does_ work if you apply that patch.
[21:37] <dtchen> duffydack: keep in mind that if we applied that patch, it would allow yours to work but would break the other 80%
[21:37] <NoCode> which soundcard?
[21:37] <dtchen> so, whose config do we break?
[21:37] <duffydack> I`ll try it tomorrow.. I`m not on karmic right now, i`ll use a daily live usb..
[21:37] <dtchen> damned if we do, damned if we don't
[21:37] <platius> BluesKaj;  I just loaded skype 2.1 beta from medibuntu and the test call works fine  (32 bit ubuntu 9.10 beta)
[21:38] <dtchen> ikt: pretty straightforward from my nick or /whois
[21:38] <duffydack> dtchen, sound has always been perfect for me since I started usiing edgy onwards..
[21:38] <ikt> "dtchen not found"
[21:38] <duffydack> using*
[21:38] <BluesKaj> 64 bit kubuntu beta here,  platius , the record function isn't working , all other sounds etc are ok
[21:39] <duffydack> dtchen, thanks for the tips anyway..
[21:39] <ikt> I found you dtchen!
[21:39] <platius> BluesKaj;  ahh, have you added your user to the pulse audio groups?
[21:40] <ikt> Karmic has been wonderfully jumpy these past few days. I must have some sick fascination with broken systems <- AHAHAHA lmao! me to
[21:40] <dtchen> that's a red herring; consolekit via udev handles the foreground user for @audio, not the pulse audio groups _unless_ you're using pulse in system daemon mode
[21:42] <BluesKaj> no platius , I haven't due to the fact that alsa / audio kernel module works ok with my soundcard , the only problem is the, mic input-record test playback,  with skype
[21:45] <myk_robinson> hey, how can I disable power management temporarily? I need to completely drain and refill my laptop battery a few times. Running Karmic Beta
[21:47] <dtchen> myk_robinson: not terribly easily; on the other hand, you can configure gnome-power-manager to not do anything when certain watermarks are reached for critical, etc.
[21:48]  * penguin42 suspects booting it with init=/bin/sh and then doing md5sum /dev/zero a few times should do it
[21:50] <yofel> if you want to stress out your system just use 'stress'
[21:51] <myk_robinson> yofel: was that toward me?
[21:51] <ikt> i think so
[21:51] <myk_robinson> I get a message on bootup that my battery capacity is only 46% and that somethign may be wrong with the battery. This laptop was given to me, I repaired it by replacing the screen. Just wanna see if I can deep cycle the battery a few times.
[21:51] <ikt> I assume stress will drain the battery fairly quickly
[21:52] <penguin42> yofel: Oh that's cute
[21:52] <yofel> myk_robinson: well, if you want to drain your battery yes, but just booting into memtest will do that too i think
[21:52] <myk_robinson> Power managerment does not have an option to do nothing when the battery gets low, it will try to shut down
[21:52] <myk_robinson> yofel: Good idea, I will try that!
[21:53] <hatchetman82> ooh great, now it wants a dist-upgrade
[21:54] <hatchetman82> i thought the beta was only out 2 days
[21:54] <ikt> dist-upgrade is not directly linked to milestone status?
[21:54] <hatchetman82> i dont really know
[21:54] <yofel> ikt: not at all
[21:55] <yofel> ikt: it has some link to the releases in debian, but in ubuntu it has no speacial meaning iirc
[21:55] <hatchetman82> whats more interesting is that my local mirror looks outdated - i only got this after switching synaptic to look at the main repo
[21:55] <yofel> not sure though since I always use aptitude
[21:56] <hatchetman82> yofel : than whats the technical difference between a dist upgrade and a normal one ? why call them different names ?
[21:56] <yofel> hatchetman82: the mirrors are always a few hours behind the main server
 whats more interesting is that my local mirror looks outdated  <- local mirroers can be 1h - 3 days outdated behind main servers
[21:57] <yofel> hatchetman82: hm, there seems to be some difference according to 'man apt-get' but I don't know more about it
[21:57] <ikt> for me I think it's 12h+, which my isp says is because they don't want to stress the main servers out anymore than it already is
[21:58] <NoCode> What command do I run to get my desktop back?
[21:58] <NoCode> I guess I'll restart X
[21:58] <NoCode> bleh
[21:58] <hatchetman82> startx ?
[21:58] <yofel> already gone o.O
[21:58] <ikt> press the 'power' button your pc/laptop
[21:59] <hatchetman82> lol
[21:59] <Amaranth> hatchetman82, yofel: A regular upgrade will not install new packages or uninstall packages
[21:59] <Shura> Hi, I have no sound in flash videos (youtube…), someone can halp me ?
[21:59] <yofel> Amaranth: aaah, thx
[21:59] <hatchetman82> ah. makes sense
[21:59] <dtchen> actually i think aptitude safe-upgrade will
[21:59] <Amaranth> Right, aptitude is a bit smarter about this
[21:59] <dtchen> will -> install new
[22:00] <dtchen> Shura: which arch?
[22:00] <Amaranth> It'll also remove a package if one it is installing Provides it
[22:00] <dtchen> yeah, which is the right thing.
[22:00] <Amaranth> Or Replaces
[22:00] <Amaranth> Right
[22:00] <Shura> shura@desktop:~$ uname -a
[22:00] <Shura> Linux desktop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:00] <Amaranth> aptitude is better, everyone knows this :)
[22:01] <Shura> The sound works fine for everything else
[22:01] <Amaranth> aptitude safe-upgrade will only mess you up if the packages are broken while apt-get dist-upgrade will mess you up if things are still building
[22:01] <dtchen> except for in the case where i'm running banshee from head in --prefix=$HOME, and it wants to autoremove all the build-deps because i don't have a banshee package installed. but i can deal with that.
[22:01] <dtchen> Shura: are you using adobe-flashplugin or flashplugin-installer?
[22:01] <Amaranth> Yeah, aptitude expects you to do everything with packages
[22:02] <Amaranth> Which you should be doing, bad dtchen :P
[22:02] <Shura> dtchen :  flashplugin-installer
[22:02] <Amaranth> dtchen: Do you have a trigger for 'sound'?
[22:02] <dtchen> it takes significantly longer to build debs than to run stuff right out of $HOME for testing
[22:02] <dtchen> Amaranth: used to.
[22:03] <penguin42> dtchen: Yeh it can be painful - building kernels takes ages to do the packages
[22:03] <Amaranth> dtchen: Yeah, even with debuild binary most of my time building things for compiz to test is spent waiting for dh_shlibdeps
[22:03] <dtchen> Shura: purge it; try enabling the third-party partner repository and using adobe-flashplugin
[22:03] <Shura> dtchen : Ok, trying
[22:05] <hatchetman82> well, dist-upgrade wants 4 hours, so the abuse will continue tomorrow morning.
[22:05] <hatchetman82> thanks a lot guys for the help
[22:05] <hatchetman82> good night
[22:05] <dtchen> penguin42: thank goodness for ccache and make -C debian/build/build-generic M=`pwd`/foo
[22:06] <penguin42> dtchen: What is the M= doing ? Or should that be what's the M variable in the build files?
[22:06] <dtchen> right, from Kconfig-style
[22:06] <Shura> dtchen : Same problem
[22:06] <dtchen> having a built vmlinux and being able to use M=`pwd`/sound really helps
[22:07] <dtchen> Shura: pastebin sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*, please
[22:08] <kanak> Hi. Can anyone tell me how to turn off the Login screen ready sound in Ubuntu 9.10? System -> Administration -> Login Screen does not seem to have any sound related options, and I've already set System -> Administration-> Sound Preferences to "No Sound Theme".
[22:08] <Shura> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m1fc0e984
[22:10] <Shura> dtchen : http://pastebin.com/m3aa1460c  with a video playing (youtube)
[22:11] <dtchen> do you have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc* ?
[22:11] <dtchen> ^^ Shura
[22:12] <dtchen> Shura: also, you need to restart your web browser
[22:12] <dtchen> Shura: make sure to kill any lingering nspluginwrapper processes
[22:12] <Shura> dtchen : no /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc*
[22:13] <Shura> And i've restarted my browser (and no nspluginwrapper process runing)
[22:14] <dtchen> Shura: please purge nspluginwrapper to be certain
[22:14] <Shura> (And I've tried with konqueror and firefox)
[22:14] <dtchen> we need to shoot that thing, really
[22:14] <Shura> :)
[22:15] <Shura> nspluginwrapper is not installed…
[22:15] <dtchen> good
[22:15] <dtchen> please use firefox instead of konqueror for now
[22:15] <dtchen> and kill off nspluginviewer
[22:16] <Shura> Hmm
[22:16] <Shura> nspluginviewer is not running while playing in firefox
[22:17] <Freeaqingme> I just upgraded to karmic, but now Amarok refuses to play mp3 files. I already installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. Any clues?
[22:17] <dtchen> Shura: it shouldn't be. it's unique to konqueror (i think?)
[22:17] <Shura> Oh, ok :)
[22:18] <NoelJB> did anyone else have grub 2 blow up on the latest upgrades?  I'm now seeing http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/582951-invalid-equiptment-block-ubuntu.html
[22:18] <dtchen> Freeaqingme: and libxine1-ffmpeg is installed?
[22:18] <NoelJB> fortunately, that's in a VM, so I can just restore from backup and deal with it.
[22:18] <Freeaqingme> dtchen, not yet. Installing now
[22:19] <Freeaqingme> dtchen, did the trick. Tnx!
[22:19] <android60> How can I set a default audio level after reboot? Right now I have to go into the mmixer and up all the levels for my speakers. on reboot it all goes back to them being at almost 0
[22:20] <zsquareplusc> now that was disappointing :/  i booted the live beta from a USB stick. that worked, but the start menu froze and then it crashed and restarted and shutdown was not working until i unplugged the usb stick. and at the end it opened cd cdrom :/
[22:20] <zsquareplusc> as CTRL+ALT+F1/BS/DEL are not working, is there any way left to get a console to view logmessages and debug?
[22:20] <dtchen> android60: yeah, i know about the bug. i blogged about it. investigating a fix. in the meantime, try short-circuiting the alsactl restore
[22:21] <XiXaQ> is it just me, or are buttons and controls less responsive in karmic? I find myself having to click buttons several times, all the time.
[22:21] <android60> dtchen: ok
[22:21] <Freeaqingme> XiXaQ, using it for 30 minutes now, and I guess you're not alone
[22:21] <penguin42> XiXaQ: I've not had that, but someone before said they had that on one of the menus
[22:21] <android60> dtchen: I get "can't find package alsa-utils"
[22:22] <dtchen> keep in mind that the Beta kernel (2.6.31-11.36) is a pretty big regression; you almost certainly want the current 2.6.31-11.38
[22:22] <td123> when I try to update my sources (aptitude update) it gets stuck connecting to us.archive.com/etc... is this a known bug or is the main us server down for karmic updates?
[22:22] <penguin42> dtchen: Ah, sods law of releases?
[22:22] <dtchen> yeah
[22:23] <dtchen> td123: the bw for the DC is pegged
[22:23] <dtchen> android60: that implies larger issues, namely: do you have the main repository enabled?
[22:23] <XiXaQ> penguin42, it's consistent throughout for me.
[22:24] <android60> dtchen: one sec ill check
[22:25] <android60> the us ubuntu servers have been very slow :/
[22:25] <penguin42> the weird one I've currently got is the chromium ppa's - ctrl-w seems to be closing multiple tabs
[22:25] <dtchen> mirrors, mirrors on the wall^Wubuntu download web page, which is the fastest of them all?
[22:26] <td123> dtchen: bw? dc?
[22:27] <Shura> dtchen : Any ideas now ?
[22:27] <dtchen> td123: bandwidth. data center.
[22:28] <dtchen> Shura: about? i'm still awaiting feedback from you.
[22:28] <td123> ah
[22:28] <Shura> dtchen : Well, not working with Firefox neither
[22:28] <penguin42> dtchen: It's very considerate of a data centre let you flatline there bandwidth
[22:29] <dtchen> penguin42: isn't it, though?
[22:29] <dtchen> Shura: ok, basics: is the playback volume unmuted and non-zero?
[22:29] <penguin42> are there bandwidth graphs for the mirrors anywhere? They would be fun
[22:30] <Shura> dtchen: yes :p
[22:31] <maccam94> dtchen: ubuntu.media.mit.edu should be fast
[22:31] <jng> quick empathy question on karmic netbook release -- desktop sharing says vino not compiled with telepathy -- is there some trick i am missing
[22:32] <dtchen> Shura: please download and use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[22:32] <NoelJB> I keep thinking that enhancing apt to use torrents (assuming that we only accept authenticated, signed, packages) would be helpful under these sorts of circumstances.
[22:34] <jng> NoelJB: ooo.. apt-torrent exists ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153752
[22:35] <Shura> dtchen : /tmp/alsa-info.txt.dkDmq5Ywyv
[22:35] <Shura> oops
[22:35] <Shura> dtchen : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=828f06669aa77f89d18e25798d994a51469b335b
[22:35] <NoelJB> jng, note that it was closed as invalid.
[22:35] <NoelJB> jng, perhaps open a bug report on vino if it isn't working for you?
[22:36] <dtchen> Shura: sec
[22:36] <jng> yes i may do that... i heard someone tweeting they saw jono's desktop the other day.. so it works for some, although this seems to mean my version of vino isn't linked with the good stuff
[22:40] <Yanick_> hi, why will Empathy replace pidgin on the next release, in 26 days? I just installed it, and it is half as stable and mature as pidgin is, except Empathy supposedly support video messaging?
[22:41] <Yanick_> just installed it, and I cannot connect to my two MSN accounts at once (1 for email at work, and 1 for personnal), and I need to kill the *butterfly process or nothing else using MSN (or Yahoo?) will work
[22:42] <grturner> Yanick_, i'm not positive but i'm pretty sure that you can still install pidgin
[22:42] <Yanick_> of course I will install Pidgin and remove Empathy if the program is still as bad when 9.10 is officially released
[22:42] <Yanick_> I just wondered why make it an official package when it's not mature enough?
[22:46] <shiznebit> do people prefer DDWRT or Tomato ?
[22:47] <Xgates> say is there a way to supress seeing console msgs before you get to the Ubuntu loading logo? I have some USB msgs that will popup first that I have to look at then a few seconds later I get the loading logo
[22:47] <Veinor> Xgates: I think that's an open launchpad bug
[22:47] <Xgates> Just trying to figure how to either supress those msgs or just make Karmic go straight from Grub to the logo
[22:48] <nick125> Yeah, there's a bug open for that I believe. I get the same thing here.
[22:48] <Xgates> so others are seeing the console first then getting the logo later?
[22:48] <shiznebit> how do i reduce the time before grub boot ubuntu ?
[22:48] <shiznebit> boots*
[22:49] <Xgates> shiznebit: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[22:49] <Veinor> Xgates: It's not just you.
[22:49] <Xgates> Veinor: ok thanks
[22:49] <yofel> guys, DO NOT edit grub.cfg
[22:50] <yofel> edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub
[22:50] <jester7> how do i set 9.10 to sync with a ntp server?
[22:50] <yofel> shiznebit: ^
[22:50] <shiznebit> thanks
[22:50] <Xgates> yofel: ahh my bad
[22:51] <Xgates> I keep forgetting not to edit a file :)
[22:52] <Freeaqingme> Btw, I upgraded to karmic, and got an i386 installation, did I miss an option for 64 bit?
[22:52] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, did you upgrade from a 32-bit install?
[22:52] <yofel> Xgates: its even written in BIG letters in the second line of grub.cfg...
[22:53] <NoelJB> yofel, and what if grub2 is totally hosed, and you need to repair it because it won't even boot?
[22:53] <yofel> Freeaqingme: if you had i386 jaunty installed you'll get i386 karmic
[22:53] <Xgates> yofel: yeah I know ;p hehe
[22:53]  * Xgates takes a beating from yofel 
[22:53] <Xgates> OUCH
[22:53] <Freeaqingme> hmm, interesting. I installed from a cd I got through the shipit program, but never realized those were i386
[22:54] <vigo> Hello, I need a VRT engine or Speech to Text Input method , had a bad accident yesterday and need something like that to input,open,launch and whatnot, Karmic-9.10 Edbuntu.
[22:55] <cybersplice> Freeaqingme, you have to specify 32bit or 64bit.
[22:56] <Freeaqingme> hmm, kinda missed that one then ;)
[22:56] <Xgates> I thought the workspace switcher in Gnome you can scroll back and forth with them with your mouse wheel?
[22:56] <cybersplice> I love being able to shut my laptop and it actually go to sleep.
[22:56] <cybersplice> Without fiddling with it.
[22:57] <Xgates> cybersplice: that's called KERNEL support not Ubuntu
[22:57] <robin0800> any one found logviewer is hiding the dates unless entries are hilighted
[22:58] <test34> robin0800, they are light gray in mine, but not hidden
[22:58] <cybersplice> Xgates, Yes. That kernel feature is present in 9.10, meaning i don't have to build one.
[22:58] <Xgates> robin0800: I just looked at 'messages' and I can see the dates and time they are 'grey' in color
[22:58] <jester7> well, if anyone is interested, you can't do it via right clicking on the panel clock anymore.  you must go to System->Administration->Date & Time
[22:59] <Xgates> cybersplice: yea karmic is using 2.6.31 works nice...
[22:59] <Xgates> robin0800: what section(s) are you looking at?
[22:59] <puchat3k> i can't seem to authorize my computer in ubuntu one, the localhost address that is needed to authorize my comp isnt working, what can i do?
[23:00] <jester7> puchat3k: do you have noscript installed?
[23:00] <robin0800> it must be the theme I'm using let me try another
[23:00] <cybersplice> Xgates, i've switched my production laptop to it. Will be switching my production desktop on Monday. Naughty me, eh?
[23:00] <Xgates> ahh maybe I'm just using the Gnome defaults
[23:00] <Xgates> cybersplice: well I'm running a 13" macbook pro on it :)
[23:01] <rrva> anyone know how to clean up idle gnome-terminal windows periodically? I open too many
[23:01] <puchat3k> jester: E: Couldn't find package noscript
[23:01] <cybersplice> Xgates, hope you kept your OS X partition for firmware updates!
[23:01] <penguin42> rrva: Hmm odd question - you mean idle as sitting at a prompt?
[23:01] <yofel> rrva: extreme method: killall gnome-terminal
[23:01] <vigo> Xgates: You can use the Workspace Switcher, System>Preferences> Keyboard Shortcuts, then Ctrl-Down or what ever you like.
[23:01] <puchat3k> so i have to guess that no :-)
[23:01] <jester7> puchat3k: sorry...i should have explained.  noscript is a firefox addon
[23:01] <robin0800> yes it was thhe theme
[23:01] <rrva> yofel: those are not the idle ones
[23:01] <puchat3k> i'm using chromium
[23:01] <jester7> puchat3k: i had trouble authorizing because of it
[23:02] <rrva> penguin42: that would do
[23:02] <jester7> puchat3k: maybe give firefox a try then...just to see
[23:02] <rrva> penguin42: sitting at a prompt and not received input since X seconds
[23:02] <penguin42> rrva: I remember there is a way to get inactive shells to autologout but I can't remember what it is
[23:02] <Xgates> vigo: ahh ok thanks, didn't know if it was a Karmic thing going on or not
[23:03] <ibkanat> need some guru help to get me out of this mess :)
[23:03] <yofel> ibkanat: wb ;)
[23:03] <vigo> Xgates: Is a Debian thing, has been on for a long time, but I use it alot and find it very useful.
[23:03] <ibkanat> I upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04 even though I used wubi to install oringinally
[23:04] <ibkanat> seems the 9.10 need grub2 to see the new kernel
[23:04] <rrva> penguin42: export TMOUT=3 kills all after 3 secs
[23:04] <ibkanat> hey yofel
[23:04] <Yanick_> Empathy has -1 from me
[23:04] <Xgates> vigo: ok
[23:04] <ibkanat> so I installed the new grub and it ruined my mbr
[23:04] <rrva> setting TMOUT to 300 should clean up
[23:05] <ibkanat> lucky I had ubd and was able to get it to work again
[23:05] <penguin42> rrva: Is that what you want?
[23:05] <ibkanat> but I am still booting the wrong kernel for 9.10
[23:05] <rrva> penguin42: yes. now I need the same for chromium tabs
[23:05] <ibkanat> but hey at least I can boot now
[23:05] <ibkanat> instead of nothing
[23:06] <penguin42> rrva: Haha that's a weird thought
[23:06] <penguin42> rrva: Are you running chromium ppa?
[23:06] <rrva> yes
[23:06] <pavka> someone tested cups in LAN? I dont know how to do it in karmic
[23:06] <rrva> any tab not receiving input within 300 seconds should be killed
[23:06] <Xgates> vigo: ok I see 'switch to workspace 1' but how to do add it this for the mousewheel?
[23:06] <ibkanat> yofel any ideas what to do?
[23:07] <yofel> ibkanat: you are running what now? grub1 or 2?
[23:07] <ibkanat> I am using 1.97
[23:07] <ibkanat> ~beta3
[23:07] <yofel> ok, grub2
[23:07] <ibkanat> but still seem to be using menu.lst?
[23:07] <yofel> ibkanat: try 'sudo update-grub' again and check if the kernel is found
[23:08] <yofel> ibkanat: do you have a /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[23:08] <penguin42> rrva: Are you finding ctrl-w to close a tab is working OK for you? For me it seems to be closing two or more tabs
[23:08] <ibkanat> yes its building it now
[23:08] <vigo> Xgates: Right, for now just use a keystroke macro, I am still looking up the mouse wheel thing, just thought that might hel a bit until we can find the resolution.
[23:08] <ibkanat> donw
[23:09] <ibkanat> yofel I wonder if the problem is the buried kernels on the ntfs partion (wubi)
[23:09] <rrva> ctrl-w is fine in chromium latest ppa
[23:10] <yofel> ibkanat: no idea, never used wubi
[23:10] <thielmann> Does anyone know what changed in last nights karmic updates? My system was really fast, now I'm back to Jaunty speed. I guess it was related to Xorg and the legacy ATI drivers (I'm running a Rage 128 card). Any ideas?
[23:10] <Xgates> vigo: so Ubuntu/Debian don't have mousewheel scrolling in Gnome to switch between desktops by default?
[23:10] <ibkanat> yofel it installs ubuntu inside of windows
[23:10] <yofel> ibkanat: that much I know, I just never used it
[23:11] <ibkanat> ok I guess I go for round 2
[23:11] <ibkanat> wait how do I create a usb boot
[23:12] <yofel> ibkanat: if you want a usb drive from a live cd use usb-creator
[23:12] <ibkanat> system admin then usb creator
[23:12] <penguin42> rra: I bet you want to close those idle irc tabs as well!
[23:12] <ibkanat> where do  I get the image if it was downloaded via wubi?
[23:12] <yofel> no idea
[23:13] <cybersplice> oh crap. i just broke gedit.
[23:13]  * cybersplice fails.
[23:13] <vigo> Xgates: See, that is a Gnome thing, that is where I am looking at now, X has one and it looks like the new KDE has one, the Gnome is in the works or ready, this stuff goes so fast! and my fingers are all smashed, so my replies and data lookup is impaired badly this day.
[23:14] <yofel> cybersplice: how did you manage that? o.O
[23:14] <cybersplice> yofel, i have absolutely no idea.
[23:14] <cybersplice> I just tried to reproduce it and can't.
[23:15] <franta> Hi! I have problem with Karmic beta... I cant get it to boot from external usb disk... anyone has any suggestion what may be causing this? (I have tryed both grub2 and grub legacy, none of them could see my usb disk)
[23:16] <ibkanat> franta does your computer boot otherwise?
[23:16] <franta> yes
[23:16] <franta> ibkanat: I am running 8.04 right now, it also boots the live-cd
[23:16] <ibkanat> franta hmm I am glad I had ubd to save my bacon I am dealing with grub issues
[23:17] <Xgates> sheesh there goes the server
[23:17] <ibkanat> bbl I need to try out this grub
[23:18] <Xgates> what happened to copy and paste by mouse?
[23:18] <Xgates> left button hightlight - copy - double buttons - paste
[23:18] <Xgates> is this disabled?
[23:19] <yofel> Xgates: gnome? mouse settings were changed there
[23:19] <legend2440> any clonezilla users here? it backed up my karmic disk great. but when i restored it to try it out it messed up my mbr and would not boot. any ideas?
[23:19] <franta> some one wrote to forum that he had the same problem with alpha6 ... he was able to boot from the disk once it was connected to internal sata, when he put it in to the usb enclosure, he couldn't boot it... just like me
[23:20] <vigo> Xgates: Meatcity and or Compiz are installed?
[23:20] <Xgates> I mean it was just working then it stopped
[23:20] <Xgates> yofel: yeah gnome
[23:20] <Xgates> vigo: I don't know I just installed Karmic is all
[23:21] <Xgates> any of those installed by default?
[23:21] <yofel> Xgates: compiz should be installed by default
[23:21] <Xgates> the only thing I did was add two more desktops to the desktop switcher and the mouse stopped copy and pasting
[23:22] <Xgates> yofel: oh yeah it is, cause it's running the default setting
[23:22] <thielmann__> Does anyone know what changed in last nights karmic updates? My system was really fast, now I'm back to Jaunty speed. I guess it was related to Xorg and the legacy ATI drivers (I'm running a Rage 128 card). Any ideas?
[23:22] <yofel> Xgates: dunno, check the mouse settings, it still works fine here in kde
[23:23] <cybersplice> Testing WINE under Karmic...
[23:23] <RPG_Master> I am unable to click play/pause buttons on embed youtube videos :(
[23:23] <franta> Is anyone able to boot Karmic beta from external usb disk?
[23:24] <yofel> thielmann__: check in /var/log/ for the dpkg and apt logs or try to read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-October/date.html
[23:24] <RPG_Master> was able to before I updated to Karmic
[23:24] <Xgates> nope we got a mouse malfunction Houston
[23:24] <Xgates> somehow it lost copy and paste
[23:25] <RPG_Master> So, about mah youtubes, whats up with it?
[23:25] <RPG_Master> ::/
[23:25] <franta> Xgates: there must be some way to set it back...
[23:25]  * RPG_Master just randomly got four eyes
[23:25] <yofel> RPG_Master: wait a moment, I'm just testing it here
[23:25] <RPG_Master> :P
[23:25] <franta> I'll try to google a bit...:)
[23:25] <RPG_Master> ok
[23:26] <cybersplice> RPG_Master, are you using ubuntu-restricted-extras, or one of the floss flash implementations?
[23:26] <yofel> RPG_Master: I can click them just fine.
[23:27] <RPG_Master> cybersplice: I am using the Flash 64 bit beta
[23:27] <RPG_Master> latest version I think
[23:27] <thielmann__> yofel: Thanks, I noticed updates to xorg and the kernel, but I'm unable to find any more clues, why my system is so much slower now. I guess I start compiling a kernel with enabled "NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS". But I'm not sure if that's related to execution speed at all :-)
[23:27] <RPG_Master> I can do everything else flash though :/
[23:27] <Xgates> well the desktop is scrolling now with the visual effects off
[23:27] <Amaranth> thielmann__: You do not want NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS
[23:27] <Amaranth> Who told you you did?
[23:27] <RPG_Master> Just can't click them stupid play/pause buttons >:(
[23:27] <Xgates> seems there's a bug between compiz and Karmic
[23:28] <cybersplice> RPG_Master, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:28] <Xgates> brb let me reboot with visual off
[23:28] <vigo> Xgates: Looks like some coding in Gnome.
[23:28] <RPG_Master> cybersplice: But I don't want the stupid hacked 32 bit flash :(
[23:28] <thielmann__> Amaranth: So where do I start then? I want the fast Karmic back and I just don't know where to start else.
[23:29] <enyc> I have a 9.04 system, laptop intel graphics, when given kernel.ubuntu.com portable kernels  over 2.6.31-rc6 has trouble..  crashes starting X....  is this likely kernel-mode-setting related trouble?
[23:29] <Amaranth> thielmann__: Considering benchmarks and X specific use cases have been shown to slow down when NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS is enabled.... not there
[23:29] <enyc> i guess/hope it will be ok with 9.10 X-server...  has anybody seen this?
[23:30] <Amaranth> enyc: Does booting with nomodeset help?
[23:30] <enyc> Amaranth: i dont know ;-)   is that just a kernel parameter exactly as you said?
[23:30] <Amaranth> yes
[23:30] <enyc> i.e.   kernel linux-image-blah blah root=UUID= ro nomodeset
[23:30] <enyc> Amaranth: ill try now ;-)
[23:30] <RPG_Master> nvm, I can't interact with anything flash :'(
[23:30] <thielmann__> Amaranth: Do you know what else changed? It's considerably slower and I can't find any other clues in the changelogs.
[23:31] <Amaranth> thielmann__: echo NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS > /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features will tell you
[23:31] <Amaranth> (as root, of course)
[23:31] <franta> did they changed something in grub legacy since alpha5 or why it doesn't see usb devices??
[23:32] <Amaranth> thielmann__: intel graphics?
[23:33] <jester7> what is "ibus preferences" and the ibus daemon?
[23:33] <franta> also strange thing is that with pre-beta versions I was able to boot 64bit karmic in 32bit virtualbox wich is now impossible as it seems
[23:33] <thielmann__> Amaranth: No, legacy ATI: Rage 128 pro
[23:33] <Amaranth> jester7: input methods (think chinese)
[23:33] <thielmann__> Amaranth: No, legacy ATI: Rage 128 pro
[23:33] <maxflax> Got problem with the NM saying my Wifi is deactivated when its not
[23:34] <Amaranth> thielmann__: hrm
[23:34] <enyc> Amaranth: yes that fixes it   (at least on 2.6.31.1 kernel ppa)
[23:34] <Amaranth> thielmann__: can't think of anything
[23:34] <Amaranth> enyc: what gpu?
[23:34] <Amaranth> enyc: are you using xorg-edgers too?
[23:34] <thielmann__> Amaranth: Thanks anyway.
[23:35] <Xgates> ok the visual effects set on are effecting the mouse
[23:35] <NoelJB> enyc, what fixed what for you?  :-)
[23:35] <Xgates> turning them off and doing a reboot brought the mouse back
[23:35] <Amaranth> thielmann__: no need to recompile to set that option though
[23:35] <Xgates> the copy and paste now works and the desktops scroll with the mousewheel also, like I thought they were suppose to
[23:35] <Amaranth> Xgates: did you change compiz zoom to zoom the mouse cursor too?
[23:35] <vigo> Xgates: Found it, is Compiz , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=746385&highlight=mousewheel+workspace
[23:35] <enyc> Amaranth: (typing across manually)   Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:36] <thielmann__> Amaranth: Just checked, THANK YOU SO MUCH for telling me how to enable NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS. It WORKS! Finally able to play Tremulous again :-)
[23:36] <enyc> Amaranth: not using -edgers that I am aware of, NB: using 9.04 at the moment
[23:36] <Xgates> Amaranth: I have not touched anything, just installed Karmic and updated it and added two more desktops is all
[23:36] <Xgates> vigo: ok so a compiz thing....
[23:36] <enyc> NoelJB: 'nomodeset' on intel laptop stopped new ubuntu kernels havnig x-server-crash on 9.04 ubuntu
[23:36] <Amaranth> thielmann__: that is very surprising considering it only affects performance when forking
[23:36] <Xgates> I have it off for now
[23:36] <jester7> Amaranth: thanks...
[23:37] <enyc> Amaranth: im just wondering if this will be a problem for others upgrading to 9.10 on this sort of machine etc.  let alone me!   but I haven't tried 9.10 and its X server etc
[23:37] <thielmann__> Amaranth: How do I disable to rule out any other problems? (Without rebooting .->)
[23:37] <Amaranth> enyc: if it doesn't work with xorg-edgers it probably won't work with 9.10 either so you may want to try that first
[23:37] <enyc> Amaranth: i dont know about -edgers
[23:37] <Amaranth> thielmann__: echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS > /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features
[23:38] <bjsnider> Amaranth, is that persistent or do you have to change it after every reboot?
[23:38]  * Amaranth types "xorg-edgers" into google
[23:38] <Amaranth> enyc: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[23:38] <Amaranth> bjsnider: every reboot
[23:38] <murielgodoi> Hi all,  anyone noticed that the high CPU usage by npviewer.bin is still there in 9.10b 64bits?
[23:39] <bjsnider> Amaranth, that has a lot of suckage
[23:39] <vigo> Xgates: Yes, funny part is I found how to Disable It! , though a reverse engineering may work, then I found that one.
[23:39] <Amaranth> vigo, Xgates: What is the issue?
[23:39] <enyc> Amaranth: humm so i might want a replacement..... xorg package?
[23:40] <Xgates> mouse croaks
[23:40] <Amaranth> enyc: that'll give you somewhat bleeding edge X, mesa, and intel drivers
[23:40] <Xgates> copy - paste and scrolling the desktops all dies
[23:40] <vigo> Amaranth: Workspace Switcher using Mouse Wheel.
[23:40] <thielmann__> Amaranth: O.k., it's for sure caused by disabling NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS in the kernel. My system is *much* more responsive with this feature enabled. I'm unable to play any fullscreen game without it (never was in previous ubuntu versions), but I'm able to run it with it enabled.
[23:40] <thielmann__> Amaranth: So, thanks again!
[23:40] <enyc> Amaranth: fair enough ;-)  thankyou for pointers
[23:40] <Xgates> vigo: don't forget copy - paste too ;p
[23:41] <Amaranth> vigo, Xgates: copy/paste kills compiz for you?
[23:41] <Amaranth> vigo, Xgates: the scrolling on the desktop thing is disabled by default now
[23:41] <Xgates> no compiz kills copy paste
[23:41] <ibkanat> yofel ok booting fine into old grub... still have grub installed? How do I tell what grub is booting?
[23:41] <Xgates> Amaranth: no I have scrolling enabled here
[23:41] <Amaranth> Xgates: then you turned it on
[23:41] <Xgates> it's not disabled for me
[23:41] <Xgates> no I didn't turn it on
[23:42] <grturner> interesting... installation of vmware tools in karmic effectively breaks it. uninstall it and it works like a charm
[23:42] <Amaranth> Xgates: if you mess with the settings an upgrade won't change them
[23:42] <Xgates> I never messed with any settings other then turning compiz off
[23:42] <Jaymac> does anyone know of a good paper anywhere outlining the differences between grub1 and grub2?  i want to change the text displayed at bootup and not sure where to do it - i get a big nasty message in /boot/grub/grub.cfg saying not to touch this file...
[23:43] <yofel> !grub2 | Jaymac
[23:43] <vigo> My fingers are killing me! I have to find a Speech Input pkg or something, stoopid hole in the water.
[23:43] <Amaranth> Xgates: Apparently you did because we turned that option off by default and I can confirm 100% the default is off
[23:43] <Amaranth> Xgates: But anyway, how does it kill copy/paste?
[23:43] <Xgates> Amaranth: like I said I never touched anything :)
[23:43] <Xgates> hehe
[23:43] <yofel> ibkanat: you could edit one of the description lines in the menu.lst, if you don't see it on grub boot then you use grub2
[23:43] <Amaranth> Xgates: And I'm saying you probably use fusion-icon or something that screws with it :P
[23:43] <Xgates> Amaranth: copy and paste just stopped working for the mouse with compiz on
[23:44] <Amaranth> Xgates: Just go turn that option off or wipe your compiz settings
[23:44] <Amaranth> Xgates: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/compiz
[23:44] <maxflax> Hello NoelJB , did u check out the NM problem
[23:44] <Amaranth> Xgates: Then try to turn compiz on again
[23:44] <Shura> dtchen: Have you found something ? (sor my no-sound-in-flash problem)
[23:44] <Xgates> Amaranth: I just installed Karmic, then I updated it, then I added two more desktops to Gnome to give it 4 that is all I've done and touched nothing more...
[23:44] <ibkanat> ok
[23:44] <Xgates> I'm a Linux geek 10 years, I know what I'm doing :)
[23:45] <Amaranth> Xgates: I don't know what to tell you, that option is off by default
[23:45] <Xgates> I know what I'm touching....
[23:45] <Amaranth> Xgates: Just wipe your settings and it'll turn off
[23:45] <Xgates> well it works here :)
[23:45] <vigo> Amaranth: Brilliant suggestion. I forgot all about the conflict thing. or whetever.
[23:46] <Amaranth> Xgates: Earlier in karmic we had it disabled so hard you couldn't turn it back on
[23:46] <Amaranth> We killed it with fire :P
[23:46] <Xgates> Amaranth: well all I can say is adding to more desktops and then turning Compiz off somehow by passed this setting I mean since Compiz fouled with the mouse in the first place killing the ability to copy and paste makes pretty good sense it allowed scrolling
[23:46] <Jaymac> yofel, i'd been there before, but just rechecked it - it doesn't really contain the info i'm after.. i want to rename my two windows partitions in grub from: Windows loader 1 and 2 to Windows and Recovery Partition... but it seems every time grub gets updated or anything any changes i make to /etc/grub.d/40_xxxx will be deleted
[23:46] <Xgates> adding to/two....
[23:47] <Amaranth> Xgates: Ok, now instead of debating this just run the command I gave and try compiz again
[23:47] <RandomCake> Hi All, I've just bought a Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 webcam and have been trying to get it to work in 9.10, I've so far had a green screen, cheese vanish, and a black screen, I've struggled to get hold of EasyCam2 or 3 due to a Python dependancy which cannot be met, has anyone any tips on how to get this webcam working?
[23:47] <Amaranth> I'm less interested in random settings carrying over and more interested in the defaults working correctly
[23:47] <Xgates> Amaranth: my bad I didn't notice, what's the cmd for/do?
[23:47] <aliendude5300> Hi... I just got a warning through SSH about an RSA key being changed, and it seems to say that my network could've been compromised. What should I do?
[23:48] <Amaranth> Xgates: it unsets every gconf key under /apps/compiz which sets them back to their defaults
[23:48] <Xgates> ahhh ok
[23:48] <yofel> Jaymac: the default scripts in /etc/grub.d/ get overwritten on an update, but you could rename it into 41_... (you'll have the entries twice then though)
[23:48] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: That means the server you are connecting to changed
[23:48] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: Did you reinstall it or something?
[23:48] <aliendude5300> No... I don't have admin rights on the machine.
[23:49] <Jaymac> yofel, yeah - seems like a bit of a regression imo - you should be able to easily rename your grub items...
[23:49] <Amaranth> yofel: You can also control some aspects of the scripts via /etc/default/grub
[23:49] <Jaymac> will keep looking
[23:49] <Amaranth> Oh, rename
[23:49] <Amaranth> Yeah, can't do that
[23:49] <Amaranth> grub2 is not meant to be user editable in debian/ubuntu, really
[23:49] <yofel> Amaranth: yeah, which is really annoying...
[23:49] <Amaranth> You can tweak the way the config file is generated a bit but not completely alter it
[23:50] <Jaymac> having my windows install appear as something like: Windows Loader (/dev/sda1) instead of Windows XP which i was able to set with grub 1 is kind of annoying
[23:50] <aliendude5300> What should I do to connect to the machine... should I even connect to the machine?
[23:50] <Amaranth> Jaymac: That's a bug, file it
[23:50] <Jaymac> Amaranth, will do
[23:51] <yofel> aliendude5300: if you didn't do any changes to the machine then the message is bad (like re-installing)
[23:52] <aliendude5300> here's a copy of the message with ssh details removed: http://pastebay.com/58828
[23:52] <Xgates> anyone know anything about the Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source? Does this mean it has to be compiled or it was built already from source? I noticed in /usr/src it was installed
[23:52] <murielgodoi> hy guys, any hint to get mouse clicks working in flash pages under 9.10b 64bits?
[23:52] <aliendude5300> It seems to be saying someone modified the machine. Not sure if it was compromised or something
[23:53] <yofel> Xgates: it's a dkms package and will be build automatically on every kernel update
[23:53] <methril_home> hi!! someone with an eeepc 901 ?
[23:54] <methril_home> i'm unable to boot it (it was working before)
[23:54] <yofel> aliendude5300: yes, I know that message well, I always get it when I reinstall the server machine
[23:54] <Xgates> yofel: ahh ok, well here's the problem I'm using a macbook pro and if I compile it by hand it works, if I use it from this package it doesn't work, so something is broke with this src they way something is being done here
[23:54] <bjsnider> before what?
[23:54] <aliendude5300> what should I do to fix it?
[23:55] <methril_home> before shutdown and start up again
[23:55] <yofel> Xgates: really? do you get any dkms errors?
[23:55] <Xgates> yofel: here's the source I built:  http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[23:55] <methril_home> it has som SSD and looks that is giving problems at mount time
[23:55] <Xgates> yofel: no it just doesn't load or run is all
[23:55] <methril_home> it starts once ok, once fails
[23:55] <yofel> aliendude5300: make sure that something changed on the server but if the server really has been compromized then I don't know
[23:56] <Arv3n> hey all
[23:56] <Arv3n> is anyone else having screen resolution problems in the beta?
[23:56] <Xgates> yofel: according to the README at broadcom.com that link I gave you this has to be run:
[23:56] <Xgates> To blacklist these drivers and prevent them from loading in the future:
[23:56] <Xgates> # echo "blacklist ssb" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:56] <Xgates> # echo "blacklist b43" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:56] <Xgates> So I added them myself but still nothing works...
[23:57] <yofel> Arv3n: which gpu do you have?
[23:57] <ibkanat> yofel thanks for the help.... sorted... just edited the menu.lst
[23:57] <ibkanat> solved the sound problem
[23:57] <yofel> ibkanat: really? o.O
[23:57] <Arv3n> yotel, nvidia geforce 7650 gs
[23:57] <Arv3n> yofel, sorry. i just woke up.
[23:57] <i2v8an> I'm having problems with a lack of sub-pixel smoothing fonts in firefox does anyone know where I can start to trouble shoot this?
[23:57] <yofel> Xgates: are you sure that the card you use is a supported one? (lspci)
[23:58] <Arv3n> yofel, it worked in jaunty and several versions before.
[23:58] <Xgates> yofel: as I just stated I compiled this from source before and it works
[23:58] <yofel> Arv3n: tried to reinstall the nvidia driver?
[23:58] <Arv3n> yofel, i just installed the one from jockey-gtk, and it upped my resolution but not to its fullest
[23:58] <yofel> Xgates: well, ok then...
[23:59] <Xgates> yofel: lspci:
[23:59] <Xgates> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[23:59] <Arv3n> yofel, i think it's detecting the wrong monitor.
[23:59] <yofel> Arv3n: tried Nvidia settings?
[23:59] <Arv3n> yofel, yes it still doesn't allow me to select my max resolution (1280x1024)
[23:59] <yofel> hm...
[23:59] <yofel> Amaranth: any idea? ^
[23:59] <bjsnider> Arv3n, the monitor's edid chip is probably supplying bogus info