[04:11] <cprofitt> pleia2, you around
[04:12] <pleia2> cprofitt: hey
[04:12] <cprofitt> I see our next meeting is on Monday ---
[04:13] <cprofitt> who is handling organizing course authors?
[04:13] <pleia2> doctormo mostly so far
[04:13] <cprofitt> k -- I have a few I may try to author
[04:14] <pleia2> he's doing sysadmin topics, I'm doing desktop, BiosElement is doing teaching ubuntu
[04:14] <pleia2> but we need help
[04:14] <cprofitt> Yeah... when you say Desktop -- what will that cover?
[04:15] <cprofitt> woah -- netsplit, heh?
[04:15] <cprofitt> Yeah... when you say Desktop -- what will that cover?
[04:16] <pleia2> sorry
[04:16] <cprofitt> Yeah... when you say Desktop -- what will that cover?
[04:16] <pleia2> anyway, we need help in all areas, so if there is something you want to work on - please say so
[04:16] <pleia2> if you go to our wiki page and scroll to the bottom you will see the 5 course tracks
[04:17] <pleia2> desktop is "how to use ubuntu"
[04:17] <pleia2> so click on that button
[04:18] <cprofitt> yep...
[04:18] <cprofitt> I will be writing a course for a company in Minnesota on Open Source and will take some of that and contribute it to our project as well.
[04:19] <pleia2> cool
[04:19] <cprofitt> and I am starting to get my head above water...
[04:19] <cprofitt> I will be writing some articles for a education focused magazine
[04:19] <pleia2> nice :)
[04:19] <cprofitt> concerning open source -- and when our project is more mature I will make sure to point to it as a resource
[04:20] <cprofitt> question pleia2 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics
[04:20] <cprofitt> is that one course or an outline for several?
[04:20] <doctormo> Hey cprofitt
[04:21] <cprofitt> hey doctormo
[04:21] <doctormo> Just got back from the Red Socks game... interesting american past time.
[04:21] <pleia2> cprofitt: outline for several
[04:21] <cprofitt> it is... one I no longer watch since they killed my team
[04:21] <pleia2> well, several classes
[04:21] <cprofitt> pleia2, which ones are you working on?
[04:21] <pleia2> the one where there is a note :)
[04:21] <pleia2> just the introduction for now
[04:22] <cprofitt> k
[04:22] <pleia2> we update the pages as we're working on things so we don't duplicate work
[04:22] <cprofitt> I will make a note on a few...
[04:22] <pleia2> great!
[04:22] <cprofitt> I need to have doctormo show me the dev tool he is using -- though I am more comfortable with directly developing in Moodle.
[04:23] <pleia2> yeah, since you and dinda are most comfortable developing in moodle we've kinda resigned to supporting that as well as the standard asciidoc & bzr development path
[04:23] <cprofitt> FYI -- I was nominated to be President of the NY LoCo
[04:23] <pleia2> congrats :)
[04:23] <cprofitt> no, no... I will do what the team does...
[04:23] <cprofitt> it is just something to learn -- no big deal
[04:23] <pleia2> ok, we just want to make it easy for folks
[04:23] <cprofitt> just gotta work with doctormo on it
[04:23] <cprofitt> I want to do it the 'way' we decided to go
[04:23] <pleia2> so we write in asciidoc, then check it into bzr for sharing
[04:24] <pleia2> BiosElement is writing a course about the process for us
[04:24] <cprofitt> yep -- so I will just need some help in doing that... but I will pick a couple of topics and start to develop them
[04:24] <cprofitt> though we may need to add some of the quizzes in Moodle
[04:24] <cprofitt> because I am not sure how they will translate.
[04:24] <pleia2> well
[04:25] <pleia2> moodle is just one of our release formats
[04:25] <BiosElement> And I'm still working on getting doctormo to review it and finalize things.
[04:25] <BiosElement> If anyone would like to help out and let me know how they think the sample I've got is so far I'd love the help.
[04:25] <pleia2> these courses are intended to be deployed in moodle, delivered in IRC, delivered in real life classes
[04:25] <pleia2> so moodle is just part of it
[04:25] <cprofitt> pleia2, I thought some courses would be Moodle only
[04:26] <cprofitt> and others would be IRC augmented with Moodle
[04:26] <pleia2> in moodle we may add quizzes, on IRC we might need to add things, in-class we might design activities
[04:26] <cprofitt> is that not the case?
[04:26] <pleia2> I think moodle is mostly for self-taught stuff
[04:26] <cprofitt> Some of the more basic topics would likely be good candidates for self-paced courses
[04:26]  * cprofitt nods
[04:26] <cprofitt> ok... I am still on page with you guys
[04:26] <pleia2> have you looked at doctormo's courses?
[04:27] <cprofitt> doctormo, all the best things about America came from Europe
[04:27] <pleia2> they're all linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[04:27] <pleia2> so like, http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/
[04:27] <pleia2> he's got lesson plans, slides, practical overview... etc
[04:28] <cprofitt> nice
[04:28] <cprofitt> will those be put in to a Moodle course or left as PDF resources?
[04:29] <pleia2> they'll be put into moodle courses
[04:29] <pleia2> asciidoc is our source, it can be exported as pdf for deployment in classrooms, or html for putting into moodle
[04:29] <pleia2> or a bunch of other formats, like docbook
[04:29] <cprofitt> k
[04:31] <doctormo> Sounds right, so I think it's too hasty for us to be definative about the ways the moodle publication method can be utilised. I'm guessing it'll be done and then we'll learn how to best use the tools.
[04:32] <doctormo> We may find out that having physical class students register there is efficient.
[04:32] <cprofitt> we need to add some stuff to the sys admin site
[04:32] <doctormo> But that's not for now, that's for when we have things written
[04:32] <cprofitt> LDAP or Kerberos
[04:33] <pleia2> cprofitt: you're welcome to add them
[04:33] <pleia2> these outlines were mostly written by doctormo, but they've been added to by lots of others
[04:33] <cprofitt> no problem... I will...
[04:33] <pleia2> I've also been encouraging new contributors to provide links to their favorite resources on these pages
[04:33] <cprofitt> dunno how to do them... but they are needed topics
[04:33] <doctormo> Both LDAP and Keberos are in there already, just very baddly. Hey I'm a programmer / designer / community leader / archer, I can't be expected to be a systems admin too :-P
[04:34] <pleia2> so when the course developer comes by they can read from the existing documentation
[04:34] <Severity1> doctormo, can you recommend your admin topics as supplementary learningmaterials for people going for LPI Certification?
[04:34] <doctormo> Severity1: What is LPI?
[04:34] <Severity1> Linux Professional Institute
[04:36] <cprofitt> so BiosElement how does this asciidoc look when displayed for use?
[04:36] <Severity1> doctormo, https://www.lpi.org/
[04:36] <BiosElement> cprofitt, Depends on which format. pure asciidoc, html, docbook, etc
[04:36] <doctormo> Severity1: There is not reason why it shouldn't help, but I can't advise either way until someone involved in both has given a fair shake
[04:37] <cprofitt> Moodle
[04:37] <doctormo> I'll be honest, what I've written is _ok_, but not great. It's a structure and a start, and that's what this team needed, something to work with.
[04:37] <BiosElement> doctormo, This is an example of pure asciidoc from the asciidoc's homepage. http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.txt
[04:37] <Severity1> doctormo, i think what you've written is really awesome. :)
[04:37] <BiosElement> Bah, sorry doctormo Meant cprofitt
[04:39] <Severity1> doctormo, i have a scheduled lpi exam this december, currently doing self study, i will try to incorporate your admin topics in my learning regime and i will let you know how it workedout for me :)
[04:40] <doctormo> Severity1: Sure, thanks :-) Remember, they're alpha, consider them to have bugs, ommissions and editing failures.
[04:41] <Severity1> doctormo, no problem! :) if i spot something off i will immediately inform you
[04:41] <cprofitt> what tools do I need to use bzr?
[04:42] <BiosElement> cprofitt, Really, just bazaar itself will do the trick. I think I have a half-started guide on it somewhere around here...
[04:42] <doctormo> cprofitt: well, my nautilus plugins for bzr/lp aren't fully ready yet, I've been distracted as usual. For normal command line operation you just beed bazaar
[04:43] <cprofitt> cool... I have that on my desktop I think... as it was necessary to get my head and blog up on the Planet
[04:45] <cprofitt> night all... time for sleep
[04:46] <cprofitt> I will try to sign up for a few courses tomorrow.
[04:46]  * cprofitt waves
[04:46] <pleia2> good night, cprofitt :) thanks!
[04:46] <cprofitt> yw!
[04:46] <doctormo> Night cprofitt, I'm going to be spending my tim tomorrow (jam day) working on editing and such.
[04:47] <doctormo> For these courses.
[04:47] <pleia2> I am going to try to as well
[04:47] <pleia2> but I'm an organizer of the event, so you know how that goes
[04:47] <doctormo> Ah, fortunatly that's an MIt guy doing this one. Although I'm not sure about how busy it'll be, we'll have to see.
[16:50] <doctormo> Morning everyone