[15:27] <lamalex> Is anyone from the design team around?
[15:40] <kwwii> hi lamalex 
[15:42] <lamalex> Hey kwwii, I was wondering if someone from the design team could look at some UI for me and maybe give me some pointers for improvement
[15:45] <lamalex> I'm designing the contact selector for the telepathization of GNOME games for GNOME 3.0
[15:45] <lamalex> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2994/screenshot010z.png
[15:45] <lamalex> what I'm thinking I'm also going to do is do emblems, like Nautilus does of the contact's presense info on there
[15:57] <lamalex> kwwii: sound/look good?
[16:12] <mac_v> lamalex: hi... how are the contacts appearing there? i mean , is it auto imported from the telepathy's contact list or is list only from users already you'v played with?
[16:14] <lamalex> mac_v: it's from telepathy it's contacts that telepathy are identifying as contacts you can play with, and as people sign on/sign off contacts come and go
[16:14] <lamalex> we dont keep any kind of static list if that's what you're asking
[16:44] <mac_v> lamalex: oh... ok.. yeah ,i thought there was a static list... but could the logged in users be sorted as users who you have played with previously and just online contacts. Since its in a game , it would be nice if there were 2 columns of those.
[17:28] <lamalex> mac_v: like two sections? one with people you've played with, and one with everyone?
[17:30] <mac_v> lamalex: yeah  , more like two columns , the left column people you'v played with... right>  online contacts and instead of names below the user's pictures ... names beside the user's foto , so that would allow to add more info about the user... 
[17:31] <mac_v> more info as in ... soemthing like , lost/won with user N times
[17:31] <mac_v> or something , about the status of user
[17:38] <lamalex> mac_v: that's getting to be way too much info
[17:38] <lamalex> how about something like this http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6126/selectormockupcategorie.png
[17:39] <lamalex> mac_v: the reason I'm asking is because we're designing a contact selector widget for all of the gnome games to use. So maybe in the API for it I could allow tooltips to be set on the contacts that could show some stats
[17:39] <lamalex> but i dont think it should be in the general area
[17:46] <mac_v> lamalex: yeah , something like that... but the 4 columns seems a bit over-crowded , the tooltips is a nice idea instead of adding info in the general area... its better to have the view simpler  and more spaced out that was the reason i suggested names beside the picture,  , arrange the friends you'v played in order of frequency of games played [the number of games should not be displayed though]
[17:47] <lamalex> mac_v: status -> alphabetical is definitely the way to organize friends
[17:47] <lamalex> possible not even by status and just alphabetically
[17:48] <mac_v> also , the contacts shouldnt repeat in the "everyone" 
[17:48] <lamalex> then it's not everyone, they absolutely should repeat
[17:49] <lamalex> appearing in two places isn't necessarily a bad thing. The person appears in two groups, and should be represented in two groups
[17:51] <mac_v> lamalex: oh , i meant the frequency arrange order for the "players you'v already played with"... person appearing in the two groups is not bad... but rather not needed... since the second list will also be bigger. we can minimize the second "everyone" list  imagine you'v played with 20 friends of the 30 , so there is unnecessary 20 in both , and the second list would be long  , this we can minimize by not repeating
[17:53] <lamalex> well I think that's a failing of the "friends you've played with" group existing at all. I'm not really convinced it's very valuable
[17:53] <lamalex> if you remove people from the other group, now you kind of have to remember if you've played with the person or not to be able to find them
[17:53] <lamalex> which you may remember, may not. depends how long it's been
[17:54] <mac_v> the "everyone" needs to be rather > "Other online friends"
[17:54] <lamalex> I just addressed that
[17:55] <lamalex> 12:53 < lamalex> if you remove people from the other group, now you kind of have to remember if  you've played with the person or not to be able to find them
[17:55] <mac_v> oh , irc delay
[17:55] <mac_v> ;)
[17:55] <lamalex> ah, ok :)
[17:55] <lamalex> I think that one group of everyone is probably best, and maybe show a row of the people you play most with
[17:56] <lamalex> so that if you play with someone all the time they're at the top very easy to find
[17:58] <mac_v> lamalex: yeah... , but when the list of the friends played with grows and if you play with all 30 friends ;) ? , then the everyone is repeated in both places... so either the list is a single one or two groups with no repetition is better
[17:59] <lamalex> mac_v: that's what I just addressed- don't show everyone you've played with
[17:59] <lamalex> show one row, and show the friends you've played most with
[17:59] <mac_v> oh... i misread!
[18:00] <lamalex> that keeps it from getting unwieldy, but also gives you access to your friends you play most with quickly
[18:00] <mac_v> lamalex: when you mentioned row , i thought 2 groups and first row for ... never mind ;)  yeah that is better :)
[18:00] <mac_v> what you mentioned last 
[18:00] <lamalex> I agree
[18:11] <mac_v> lamalex: is the window size resizable or fixed?... you might wanna consider having 3 columns , four seems a bit crowded
[18:11] <mac_v> with more space 
[18:22] <lamalex> mac_v: it's resizable and yah i agree it needs more spacing