[00:06] <JontheEchidna> hmm... we have a messages.sh in the source so a pot should be generated
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if any are in the import queue to launchpad
[00:10] <ScottK> yuriy: The short version of the process is find dpm online and beat on him until templates appear.
[00:12] <nixternal> hrmm...mindmapping is interesting...I want something where I can jot it down on paper, take it to an app, draw it out in a diagram easily....just tried out semantik, don't think that is the way to go...what do you use to do stuff like this?
[00:12] <nixternal> besides a piece of paper
[00:16] <nixternal> hrmm, guess nobody mind maps that is a developer...all of the mind mapping apps are out of date in the repos
[00:20] <ScottK> Would be too ugly to see the light of day
[00:24] <nixternal> heh, so true
[00:25] <nixternal> FYI: for you that want to mind map, vym it is...qt4 based and our friends at trolltech even use it :)
[00:27] <ScottK> Is it up to date?
[00:29] <nixternal> yes it is
[00:33] <ScottK> OK.
[00:35] <neversfelde> there were some reports, that translation problems with german are fixed after the latest updates
[00:36] <nixternal> I don't believe it
[00:36] <nixternal> prove it to me
[00:36] <nixternal> after eating chili for dinner, I am about ready for bed
[00:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Minus points for not closing the bug in the changelog (Konversation)
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> eep
[00:46] <yuriy> JontheEchidna, nixternal: I figured out how to do apport-kde better so it doesn't hang, but the segfault is indeed still there :(
[00:46] <nixternal> what did you do?
[00:58] <yuriy> nixternal: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/285026/
[01:00] <nixternal> hahaha, you used one of my all-time favorite hacks
[01:00] <nixternal> QTimer.singleshot
[01:01] <nixternal> another nice thing about singleshot, you can do really nice loops or recursion without eating memory
[01:01] <nixternal> ie:
[01:01] <nixternal> def foo(self):
[01:01] <nixternal>     print "foo"
[01:01] <nixternal> QTimer.singleshot(100, self.foo)
[01:02] <nixternal> err, forgot to space that
[01:02] <nixternal> put the QTimer in the def :)
[01:02] <nixternal> cuz you can't do 'while True:' w/o blowing things up
[01:02] <yuriy> yeah it does provide for some neat hacks
[01:03] <yuriy> but more importantly answers the question of what the heck a QCoreApplication is for
[01:04] <nixternal> interesting
[01:04] <nixternal> as that is used to provide the event loops for cli apps
[01:05] <yuriy> i never could figure out how to use it before though, because normally you make use of the event loop in GUI applications
[01:06] <yuriy> if you have code that runs before or after the exec() it will run before the event loop starts or after it exits
[01:06] <yuriy> but a timer allows you to set things up to actually run in the event loop
[01:07] <yuriy> but anyways, segfault is still there so :(
[01:08] <nixternal> that's because app.exec_() isn't returning a 0, it is returning something else
[01:09] <yuriy> nixternal: the segfault? I don't think that would cause one
[01:10] <nixternal> actually it does
[01:10] <nixternal> it was doing that for me in another app I was working on
[01:10]  * nixternal looks at something
[01:10] <yuriy> especially if you consider the backtrace (bug 403361)?
[01:11] <yuriy> i mean i'm sure it's not returning 0 but that would be *because* it crashes
[01:11] <nixternal> class App():
[01:11] <nixternal>     foooofdjaljfdakjfd
[01:11] <nixternal> then in there I have a def toggleQuit(self):
[01:12] <yuriy> nixternal: actually it DOES return 0  :O
[01:12] <nixternal> where I put 'sys.exit(app.quit())
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, this is great. Quassel entirely lacks a spanish translation. The only strings translated are those it gets from kdelibs via language-pack-*
[01:12] <nixternal> and then in __main__ I just put
[01:12] <nixternal> app.exec_()
[01:13] <nixternal> attach gdb to the pid then quit, see what that spits out
[01:13] <yuriy> nixternal: app.quit() is void, and makes exec_ return 0
[01:14] <yuriy> Sime_: around?
[01:49] <yuriy> Riddelll, ScottK: fix committed to u-n-k and attached for kde4libs for bug 439758
[08:49] <Sime_> yuriy, nixternal: make kapp global, put your code in a function, and don't use sys.exit().
[10:25] <freinhard> narf, apt fails on distupgrade without a error message, even with all debug options.
[10:26] <freinhard> didn't look that deep into the code yet, does DistUpgradeController.py do the same a apt-get dist-upgrade would do?
[10:28] <freinhard> just did a apt-get dist-upgrade:
[10:28] <freinhard> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.
[10:36] <a|wen> freinhard: that one might be an archive inconsistency; are you on karmic?
[10:38] <freinhard> a|wen: not yeat
[10:38] <freinhard> yet
[10:38] <a|wen> hmm, that is not good then (i think)
[10:39] <a|wen> freinhard: have you tried if aptitude full-upgrade has a sensible solution to it?
[10:40] <freinhard> nope, prevents me from upgrading to karmic and upgrade-manager doesn't give any hint to the real problem. aptitude full-upgrade doesn't to the job either.
[10:41] <a|wen> does aptitude simply error out?
[10:41] <freinhard> aptitude full-upgrade == apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:41] <freinhard> same error
[10:44] <a|wen> freinhard: you could try to remove and then re-install openoffice ... there is some foo there; looks like you have made a dependency lock-up
[10:45] <freinhard> hmm don't use OOo anyways...
[10:45] <freinhard> but what bugs me most: no error messages from the gui!
[10:49] <a|wen> kpackagekit?
[10:49] <freinhard> nope update-manager
[10:49] <freinhard> and even gives wrong information. upgrade was successfull but there were errors
[10:49] <freinhard> plain sarcasm ;)
[10:49] <a|wen> i thought it used kpackagekit for that in jaunty
[10:50] <freinhard> did update-notifier -d
[10:52] <a|wen> there is a reason why i dumped gui package managers completely
[10:58] <freinhard> removing openoffice did the job
[10:58] <freinhard> karmic, here i come
[10:59] <a|wen> cool :)
[12:05] <tsdgeos> how much pain there's updating to karmic?
[12:10] <a|wen> tsdgeos: the mirrors have been painfully slow the last two days ... but if you locate a local mirror with good bw, it should be painless enough
[12:18] <tsdgeos> someone mentioned pain due to change of gcc/glibc
[12:18] <tsdgeos> how much truth is in there?
[12:26] <a|wen> depends on how much you are compiling a lot of stuff yourself ... there is no pain in using it in that regard (only a lot to fix for devs)
[12:26] <a|wen> (that sentence didn't make sense; but hope you got the meaning)
[12:27] <Mamarok> the German mirros work flawlessly
[12:27] <Mamarok> mirrors* even
[12:30] <tsdgeos> ok, thanks
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: looks like somebody else has your templates bug too: bug 442176
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> ^Occurred on an upgrade from 4.2.2 to 4.2.4
[14:18] <yuriy> Sime: thanks, but it crashes without sys.exit() too. I was wondering if you could tell if this was pyqt bug or elsewhere: bug 403361
[14:56] <sebas> Is Amarok 2.2 in karmic?
[14:57] <sebas> amarok: Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.2.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:57] <sebas> this is what happens when I try to install "amarok"
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> sebas: the amarok build on i386 where common data packages are built failed due to mysql borkage
[15:15] <sebas> JontheEchidna: x86_64 as well?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> amarok-common is only built on i386 since it only needs built once
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> since it only contains data files usable by all archs
[15:16] <sebas> ah, ok
[15:16] <sebas> I'll wait until someone fixes it then
[15:16] <sebas> the 2.1.90 packages worked well bt
[15:16] <sebas> w
[15:17]  * yuriy needs something to do this morning
[15:17] <sebas> yuriy: fix amarok ;)
[15:17] <sebas> and good morning
[15:17] <yuriy> "due to mysql borkage" ^^
[15:18] <yuriy> good morning sebas
[15:18] <yuriy> afternoon?
[15:18] <sebas> afternoon here, yes
[15:18] <sebas> both would justify coffee of course
[15:28]  * ryanakca sighs and wonders if Kobby is dead... no upstream commits or modifications since 2009-08-04, two months ago to the day :/
[15:29] <sebas> wasn't there a summer of code project working on it?
[15:29] <ryanakca> libqinfinity was 2009-07-24 ...
[15:30] <ryanakca> sebas: I'm not sure. Greg Haynes is upstream's name, wether or not it was done for GSoC, I don't know.
[15:30] <sebas> I can't find anything other than a techbase idea and some mentionings of it in various blogposts
[15:31] <sebas> Nightrose: do you know anything about it?
[15:31]  * Nightrose reads backlog
[15:31] <Nightrose> sec
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> can anybody confirm bug 442278 in their language?
[15:31] <ryanakca> sebas, Nightrose: http://github.com/greghaynes/kobby is the source repo
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> another spanish confirmation'd be nice too
[15:32] <Nightrose> sebas: gsoc last year - finished gsoc but lots of stuff still needed - i think he's just busy with university
[15:32] <Nightrose> would be good to get some more people on it
[15:32] <Nightrose> maybe worth sending an email to Greg asking him to move it to svn so more people have access
[15:32] <ryanakca> He last commited to another project five hours ago, according to http://github.com/greghaynes , so I'm going to email him to let him know that the world is still interested in Kobby and that we're anxiously anticipating the 1.0 release that was scheduled for mid-summer
[15:32] <Nightrose> or gitorious
[15:33] <Nightrose> ryanakca: ask him to move it somewhere more kde people can help
[15:33] <Nightrose> and actually see it
[15:34] <ryanakca> OK
[15:39] <yuriy> *gulp* they already did link to the kubuntu bugs reporting page at the top of the ubuntu one. i guess i have to update that
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> I think I may have found the root of our policykit problems
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace-bin does not depend on policykit
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> epic fail
[15:56]  * JontheEchidna fixes
[16:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.  The computer that has the bug did go 4.2.2 -> 4.2.4 -> 4.3.1, so that makes sense.
[16:41] <yuriy> ksysguard doesn't show PIDs? :O
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> It does here. maybe check if it's an available column?
[16:42] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: it's available, but not default
[17:08] <yuriy> ok https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting updated JontheEchidna what do you think?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: looks good, I corrected a few minor grammar things
[17:13] <yuriy> ok most of it is copied from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs so maybe they need correcting there too?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> nah, it was just in the dr. konqi section
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> lol@ firefox's RAM usage on the ubuntu wiki picutre
[17:15] <yuriy> yeah that doesn't seem realistic at all. i wonder what ksysguard uses for that column
[17:15] <yuriy> it doesn't match anything i see in top
[17:16] <yuriy> oh the ubuntu wiki one. yeah that sounds more right :D
[17:17] <yuriy> oh in mine i didn't actually have any pages open
[18:01] <effie-jayx> hey guys
[18:02] <effie-jayx> I am having a bit of trouble finding a place were to find a bug for kubuntu netbook edition
[18:02] <effie-jayx> launchpad won't give me a simple report bug button unless I find the right package...
[18:03] <effie-jayx> should I report the bug under ubuntu-netbook-edition?
[18:06] <Riddelll> ubuntu-bug plasma-netbook
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: is ksplash-before-kdm currently doing all it needs to be doing, or is there more work that needs done? I ask because ksplash only comes up for a split second before kdm gives you a user prompt anyway
[18:09] <effie-jayx> Riddelll:  thanks
[18:10] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: it's starting as soon as kdm can start it (as far as I can make out)
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[18:11] <Riddelll> it was expected that with the upstart stuff it would take longer to start because there would be more going on in the background but I don't see that having happened
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> is there any way to make kdm start earlier than it already does?
[18:11] <Riddelll> I havn't tried ubuntu desktop for a while so I don't know how it compares
[18:11] <Riddelll> kdm can't start earlier.  there might be some way of getting it to start ksplashx sooner after X has started but I don't know of one
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> :(
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> I'd rather have usplash, since out of the 17 seconds it takes to get from grub to kdm, 16.5 is splashless
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: success, we got the template approved today: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/qt4-x11/+pots/kdeqt/
[18:13] <Riddelll> it always did seem to me like a curious plan, it's not like kdm started late in the boot process before
[18:13] <Riddelll> I should try ubuntu desktop and see if it's any better
[18:14] <apachelogger> neato
[19:13] <shtylman> Riddelll: did ya see my message about the netbook warning text?
[19:25] <nixternal> vorian: nhandler is looking for
[19:25] <heHATEme> oh jeese
[19:26] <heHATEme> have i got a story for you all
[19:26] <heHATEme> I've been in montana for the last month!
[19:26] <nixternal> hey dude you are on a projector, so be careful
[19:26] <heHATEme> ok
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> \o vorian
[19:27] <heHATEme> yo!
[19:27] <heHATEme> it feels good to be home
[19:47] <Quintasan> anyone from Manchester? I'm going to UK next Wendsday
[19:48] <Riddelll> shtylman: yes thanks
[19:48] <Riddelll> Quintasan: nobody from kubuntu that I know of
[19:49] <Quintasan> :(
[19:52] <Quintasan> Riddelll: urgh, this guy is persistent, it's really possible to get a new package with all freezes in effect?
[20:17] <Riddelll> Quintasan: yeah may as well, anything to keep him quiet
[20:18] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Well, it has GPL 2 license now and he claims all icons (unless stated otherwise) are GPL-2
[20:25] <Quintasan> except Qt :/
[20:30] <Lure> Riddelll: any good schnell-kurs for bzr-maintained packages? I just noticed kipi-plugins is in bzr now and debian has it in svn
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[20:34] <Quintasan> Lure: what do you want to do?
[20:34] <Quintasan> Lure: bzr branch <branch> to get code, bzr commit -m "comment" and bzr push <brach> to push changes :P
[20:35] <Quintasan> Lure: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[20:36] <Lure> Quintasan: I know bzr, I though that there is some buildpackage thing for bzr, to help with actually building preparing packages that are in bzr
[20:36] <Quintasan> wow, I didn't know about that
[20:38] <apachelogger> bzr builddeb
[20:38] <apachelogger> bzr builddeb -S for source
[20:38] <apachelogger> also see help
[20:39] <Lure> apachelogger: thanks
[20:39]  * Lure thought is some kind of separate helper package...
[20:39] <apachelogger> yeah, dunno the package name
[20:39] <apachelogger> used to be bzr-buildpackage
[20:40] <apachelogger> possibly still is, since there is still same named binary
[20:40] <Lure> apachelogger: it is
[20:44] <Hosein-mec> KKK have xsplash & new boot screen like ubuntu karmic ?
[20:49] <Lure> is it Vcs-bzr or Vcs-svn for bzr branches?
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddelll: sorry for using such dirty method but my connection really sucks. debian dir -> http://rapidshare.com/files/288704147/debian.tar.gz.html and please do "svn co https://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/dooble/trunk/browser/" for source
[21:21]  * Quintasan is going on a trip with his class
[21:49] <Lure> Riddelll: any idea why this would fail on ubuntu, but builds on debian:
[21:50] <Lure> /tmp/buildd/kipi-plugins-0.7.0/po/de/kipiplugin_batchprocessimages.po:1146:56: invalid multibyte sequence
[21:50] <Lure> /usr/bin/msgfmt: found 1 fatal error
[21:50] <Lure> Riddelll: pot extraction?
[21:54] <Riddelll> sounds like it
[22:04] <Lure> Riddelll: will test in ppa first, it might be something in my pbuilder
[22:04] <Riddelll> actually that doesn't sound like pot exraction
[22:04] <Lure> Riddelll: othwerwise we will need to patch .po file, right?
[22:05] <Riddelll> right
[22:05] <Lure> Riddelll: maybe my pbuilder is just rusty of my system broken - did not do much for karmic ;-)
[22:06] <Riddelll> maybe it is an invalid byte sequence
[22:09] <Lure> Riddelll: "hinzufügen</b>: Fügt dem Bild Rauschen hinzu.<br/><b>Kantenglättung</b>: "
[22:09] <Lure> looks perfect German to me ;-)
[22:11] <Lure> Riddelll: will have to wait until the morning to check my merge (from ppa), then I can bzr push and complete ffe in bug 442571
[22:12] <Lure> Riddelll: digikam beta5 will probably be tommorow, so this is next
[23:00] <shtylman> my amarok still crashes when trying to make a dynamic playlist...
[23:23]  * ScottK-palm waves.
[23:28] <ScottK-palm> Being online right now is tough due to no electricity.
[23:28] <ScottK-palm> Hopefully back in the next few hours.....