=== Zachk18 is now known as Sub_Zero === Sub_Zero is now known as Zachk18 [02:01] mdke, some other bugs have been filed and patched tonight that should probably be string freeze exceptions [02:01] I'd send out an email, but I'm sure there will be more before the night is up [11:00] morning all [11:00] hi adiroiban [11:01] hi [14:22] hello, could someone proof read the following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine/Automatic I want to replace https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine with the new document [16:03] mdke, in Karmic's Applications->Accessories menu, it displays "gedit Text Editor" which doesn't match our documentation [16:03] I see bug 421221 for the initial issue, but it is marked as Fix Released since they changed it from "gedit" to "gedit Text Editor" [16:03] Launchpad bug 421221 in gedit "menu entry says 'gedit' should say 'Text Editor'" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421221 [16:04] However, there still seems to be some discussion upstream about how to properly handle it. Should I open a new bug against ubuntu-docs, or should I open the task on that previous bug for ubuntu-docs? [16:04] I'm hesitant to open an entirely new bug against gedit for it [16:06] I guess I can ask in ubuntu-devel if they plan on fixing it [16:43] hello, could someone proof read the following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine/Automatic I want to replace https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine with the new document [16:48] Rocket2DMn: that sounds like a bug in gedit to me as the menu entry doesn't follow the HIG, I'd suggest asking ubuntu-desktop [16:52] ok mdke , i'll ping them [16:52] thanks [16:55] mdke, another thing that occurred to me last night - do we currently format our xml files for consistency? In the past I've seen files that varied from doc to doc [16:56] Rocket2DMn: no we don't - they definitely vary [16:57] It would be really nice to get something like that, it shouldn't be all that difficult I think [16:59] mdke, I'm not sure I really understand how the translations work when we do freeze exceptions or SRUs [16:59] yeah, I agree. Do you fancy looking into a tool that could do it reliably? I guess 'tidy' should do it, it has an xml function [16:59] if a diff doesn't include text that needs to be retranslated, how does that still affect translators? [16:59] Rocket2DMn: but it *does* include text that needs to be retranslated [17:00] the original has changed, so the translators need to translate the new string [17:00] but you said "The translators should leave them as they are, but changing the string [17:00] will still require the translator to retranslate the string." [17:00] right, let me give you an example [17:00] if they leave them as they are, what changes? [17:01] the string "ubuntu-restricted-extras includes flashplugin-nonfree" gets translated [17:01] in Italian that might be: "ubuntu-restricted-extra include flashplugin-nonfree" [17:01] then it changes to "ubuntu-restricted-extras includes flashplugin-installer" [17:02] that's a new string that doesn't yet have a translation, so it will appear as a new string to be translated [17:02] you can't use the existing translation, because it's different [17:02] not as clear as I'd hoped it would be :( [17:03] anyway, any change to a translateable string results in a new translation to be done [17:03] you mean it just appears as a task for them? [17:03] it appears as an untranslated string [17:03] and if they don't translate it, it will appear in English [17:03] ok, but what if no translation is ever required. For example, here is part of the patch: [17:04] flashplugin-installer [17:04] tags are kept, so that leaves just "flashplugin-installer" which doesn't require translation [17:04] it may not require translation, but it is translatable [17:05] ok, but if that were to appear "in english" in their translated docs, there is no visible effect [17:05] yes, that's true [17:05] ok, so in Rosetta when a change is made to the branch, the adjusted lines appear as "needs translating" or something? [17:06] yes (although it's not the branch, it's the package that counts in our case) [17:06] in Rosetta it will show up as "1 string not translated" or something like that [17:06] you're right that it's not the end of the world, but the translators will have it on their task list and will do the work [17:07] ok, i can see how we may not want to bother them with new tasks apearing like that after string freeze, but effectively it doesn't matter if they see it or not [17:07] you're quite right [17:07] i don't have any strong opinion on the patch being included or not, I'm just trying to understand how it works [17:07] I think I got the gist of it [17:08] yeah, you have [17:08] I think I was looking at it too rigidly, let's include the patch [17:08] cool, thanks for explaining [17:08] I hadn't quite appreciated that the packagenames are the whole string, rather than just appearing in the middle of a string [17:09] yeah, in this case they are just ina list [17:10] committed :) [17:10] k [17:10] As I predicted, more bugs appeared during the night :) [17:11] I think we sorta dropped the ball on Grub2 documentation [17:11] yeah, these guys are good proof readers [17:12] ok, gtg to the gym, back later [17:12] k, see ya [18:21] stupic question perhaps, but how do i open .omf files? [18:58] slacker_nl: in a text editor [18:59] mdke: yeah.. and then there is a pointer to some .xml file [18:59] slacker_nl: right. [19:00] so how can i read somehlpfile.omf and read the actual helpfile? [19:02] slacker_nl: you just read the xml file [19:14] Rocket2DMn: I read the gedit upstream bug you referred to - it looks pretty much like upstream is determined to have the menu entries inconsistent and unpleasant to look at... so I guess we should apply your patch to ubuntu-docs [19:40] mdke, it would be nice if the desktop team could confirm that they aren't going to override the change [20:28] Rocket2DMn: yeah, worth asking them [21:12] Rocket2DMn: will upload shortly - any bugs I've missed out committing that you can see? [21:15] mdke, ill have a look [21:17] mdke, i think that's all for now in the dev branch [21:17] there are some SRUs laying around still though [21:21] Rocket2DMn: yeah :(