[00:19]  * ScottK has power again!
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:46]  * txwikinger wonders if ScottK is hiding in Indonesia's typhoon area
[00:47] <ScottK> Nope.
[00:47] <txwikinger> power problems?
[00:47] <txwikinger> Did we cut the power supply again to US because of non-payments?
[00:48] <ScottK> A presumably drunk driver on a motor cycle came flying down the main road about 4am last night and hit two deer and the power pole.  It finaly gave way this afternoon and has just been repaired.
[00:48] <ScottK> Amazingly enough he is said to have survived with minor injuries.
[00:48] <txwikinger> Ah... drunk drivers again
[00:48] <ScottK> Yep.
[00:48] <txwikinger> they are a menace
[00:49] <txwikinger> They reduce the limit here to 0.5
[00:49] <ScottK> One of the deer was hit hard enough that the head was on one side of the road and the body on the other.
[00:49] <txwikinger> *reduced
[00:49] <ScottK> I think it's still .08 here.
[00:49] <txwikinger> Hmmm... roadkill
[00:49] <txwikinger> lets start the fire :D
[00:50] <maco> wow
[00:50] <a|wen> enabling message indicator in quassel doesn't work? or is it only supposed to show when the first message arrives?
[00:50] <txwikinger> message indicator?
[00:51] <ScottK> a|wen: I didn't get it to work at all yet
[00:51] <txwikinger> what is it supposed to do?
[00:51] <ScottK> Collect up messages to you so you don't have to worry about missing stuff
[00:51] <a|wen> can someone highlight me again in 5 secs from now?
[00:52] <ScottK> a|wen: It's possible my patch to have it not default on was wrong.
[00:52] <txwikinger> a|wen: highlighting
[00:52] <ScottK> There was a value that was set to true and I set it to false.  It might be I should have just deleted that line.
[00:52] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, it clearly doesn't work now at least
[00:53] <a|wen> i've even restarted quassel after enabling the message indicator under notifications
[00:53] <txwikinger> Crazy football weekend
[00:54] <a|wen> ScottK: did you only meddle with the standard values of settings; or deeper in the program?
[00:55] <ScottK> a|wen: The setting is set in the code (quassel doesn't segrate default settings out like KDE apps do).
[00:56] <ScottK> I thought I was changing the default to false, but I may have hard coded it to off.
[00:56] <ScottK> Since agateau is off on baby leave, I don't have  him around to ask.
[00:57] <a|wen> sounds like a valid assumption
[00:57] <ScottK> Let me try something.
[01:01] <ScottK> Actually I'm not sure.
[01:01] <a|wen> try ping me again in 5 secs
[01:01] <maco> a|wen: PING
[01:01] <shtylman> this OO bug will be the end of me...
[01:02] <ScottK> File extensions work now.  Thanks for that.
[01:03] <a|wen> ScottK: thought you might have switched around the meaning of the option; but no ... but on the other hand; do we at all enable it as default in the kubuntu apps?
[01:03] <ScottK> It's meant to not be enabled by default in Kubuntu
[01:03] <a|wen> ahh, and it is enabled as defaul upstream?
[01:04] <ScottK> We provide it since some Ubuntu apps expect it unconditionally and as an option for users that want it in Kubuntu apps.
[01:04] <ScottK> a|wen: Only by accident.
[01:04] <ScottK> Upstream applied agateau's patch and didn't notice that bit.  It was fixed right after I pointed it out
[01:05] <ScottK> Upstream uses Gentoo and doesn't have a way to test it.
[01:06] <a|wen> ahh ... well we can try to test with the patch disabled to see if that makes the indicator work at all
[01:08] <ScottK> I'd say that's a good place to start
[01:10]  * a|wen tries
[01:11] <txwikinger> eeep. The Steelers are using funny helmets tonight
[01:12] <a|wen> hmm, update-notifier-kde always seems to appear once, and disappear within 1-2 seconds (with kdeinit4 crashing? apport can't build the full crash report)
[01:16] <ScottK> Even if it could, it'd just tell you you can't report it because you have packages out of dates.
[01:16] <ScottK> dates/date
[01:16] <a|wen> heh, got a point
[01:17] <a|wen> so the magically unreportable bug
[01:17] <a|wen> was also wondering if anybody else was having it crash all the time?
[01:18] <ScottK> Seems about like what I experience.
[01:18] <ScottK> I didn't look into it though.
[01:20] <a|wen> okay ... kind of hard to get a backtrace
[01:20] <a|wen> oh well, knetworkmanager icon still duplicates (though this time the second icon merged with the quassel icon, instead of replacing the kdebluetooth icon)
[01:22] <a|wen> but 4.3.2 seems to have fixed kontact not closing correctly, and crashing when trying to reopen the app :)
[01:23] <maco> txwikinger: burgher?
[01:23] <txwikinger> hmm.. I have something coming up in quassell
[01:24] <txwikinger> oddly it looks like gnome not like kde
[01:24] <txwikinger> maco: what does burgher mean?
[01:25] <maco> txwikinger: asking if youre a pittsburgher
[01:25] <txwikinger> Ah :D
[01:25] <maco> you're talking about the Steelers
[01:25] <txwikinger> No.. I am on the other site of the big lake
[01:25] <txwikinger> I guess they are the closest team line of site.. but not sure about it
[01:27] <txwikinger> Well.. Bills are actually closer.. and the Lions too
[01:29]  * txwikinger thinks he needs a pilot license... everything is so far away
[01:42] <a|wen> okay, now without the patch ... can someone ping me in a moment?
[01:44] <ScottK> a|wen: How's that?
[01:45] <ScottK> Maybe I need to ping a|wen twice
[01:45] <a|wen> still no change
[01:46] <seele> maco: you called?
[01:46] <maco> seele: i did?
[01:46] <maco> oh
[01:46] <seele> i have a missed call from you
[01:46] <maco> i wanted to ask what kind of icon would make sense for a mips emulator
[01:47] <maco> because this package lacks both a .desktop and icons
[01:47] <maco> someone in -artwork suggested a CPU die that says "MIPS" on it
[01:48] <seele> oh, i have no idea
[01:48] <a|wen> ScottK: can i have you ping me again in 5 secs ... just wanted to make a restart after changing the settings, to be sure it wasn't that
[01:48] <seele> might want to ask nuno
[01:48] <ScottK> a|wen: Ping
[01:49] <a|wen> still doesn't work
[01:49] <a|wen> well, at least we ruled the patch out as the single point of failure
[01:52] <a|wen> hmm, now knetworkmanager icon has both merged with quassel icon and taken over the kdebluetooth icon ... something is wrong with either k-n-m or plasma
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> the systray's always been a bit fiddly when handling old style and new style icons
[01:55] <a|wen> so most likely plasma is to blame ... a bit annoying though, when you can't get to kdebluetooth
[01:55] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for checking
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> victory! http://imagebin.ca/view/x_nLZf.html vs http://imagebin.ca/view/tIV_aCf.html
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> no apport detection yet, but this is still a considerable win
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> also my dbus encantation is incorrect in updatehelpernotifier so restarting doesn't actually work...
[01:57] <a|wen> you gained a few megs there, heh
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> I'm porting update-notifier-kde to C++
[01:58] <a|wen> uh, fancy
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> well, kinda porting
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I lost a few megs ^_^
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> It sits nicely at 1.8 MB until you actually need to be told to reboot
[01:59] <a|wen> is it still in charge of notifying of package updates? or that was handed over to kpackagekit right?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah, kpackagekit does that
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> update-notifier-kde handles reboot notifications, apport detection on reboot and restricted instals
[02:03] <a|wen> was right then earlier today ... thx
[02:03] <a|wen> nn all around
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> was there a mass giveback today?
[02:25] <ScottK> Yes
[02:25] <ScottK> Should all have low build scores, so only get retried after new uploads
[02:56] <ScottK> Did we decide any seed changes at the meeting other than going back to dragonplayer instead of kaffeine?
[03:06] <ScottK> OK.  I guess not.  I'll upload the kubuntu-meta change for that.
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> um
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> the spanish kde language pack is now down to a fraction of it's previous size
[03:12] <ScottK> I'm guessing that's not good
[03:12] <ScottK> kubuntu-meta uploaded, btw
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> kaffeine, the networkmanagement applet and k3b are about the only things translated
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> amarok and akregator are too
[03:13] <ScottK> Lovely
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> And it was almost perfect for apps in the core kde modules too :(
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger uploaded the fix for the last few untranslated strings in Qt the other day
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> and then boom! all of it gone
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> We only have 15.4% of the translations we had earlier today
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> looks to only affect spanish though
[03:17] <ScottK> OK, put kaffeine on the dvd too, to keep it in main
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> kdepim seems to be the only KDE module that has translations.
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> bug 442742
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> If dpm shows up and I'm not around and he hasn't already seen this, somebody please poke him
[03:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You also need to target it to the release to get it on the release team's radar (just did that)
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> I think I can only suggest targets since it's in main
[03:33] <ScottK> that's true.
[03:33] <ScottK> A core-dev would have had to accept it in any case.
[03:36] <ScottK> That was funny.  Wrote a nice changelog entry, checked the maintainer and fixed that, and then started to test build the package without actually making the fix.
[03:36] <ScottK> Oops.
[03:38] <nixternal> gonna ask again...anyone know why if you have 1 user setup, kdm doesn't show the user list, but as soon as you add another user it shows up? is this expected, because it almost sounds like it is to me in a way
[03:38] <nixternal> why would you need a userlist for 1 damn user
[03:39] <yuriy> haven't seen it, but sounds like good behavior to me
[03:58] <rgreening> yep
[04:00] <nixternal> yep to what?
[04:01] <nixternal> there are people having crazy cpu utilization with plasma-desktop...anyone have any ideas?
[04:01] <nixternal> bug 419054
[04:02] <ScottK> Not here
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> those are always a bitch to debug
[04:04] <rgreening> kill flash prob goes away. bet its a nsplugin running
[04:04] <rgreening> it erroneously will show as plasma eating cpu...
[04:24] <nixternal> ok, someone else look at bug 428741 as I can't find anything that says yes it is expected, or not is a bug...either through us or upstream, and nobody here seems to know the answer either
[04:25] <nixternal> anyone know what controls screen brightness that would affect both Ubuntu and Kubuntu when using the battery applets to try and change the brightness?
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: that nc10 issue? It requires a special kernel module
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> I've marked it as a duplicate against the issue in the linux package
[04:44] <nixternal> yes, I just found that bug JontheEchidna
[04:44] <nixternal> marking all of these damn nc10 backlight ones duplicate of the one you were working on
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> whoa, this nc10 shit is starting to pop up everywhere... bug 329351
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> obviously the one who reopened the bug had a different issue
[04:52] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: bug 193510 - it works as he expected btw
[04:52] <nixternal> I just did a foo.sh and it asks me if I really want to execute it
[04:52] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it didn't the last time I checked
[04:53] <nixternal> and what do you know, foo.sh just rm -rf /*
[04:53] <nixternal> ;p
[04:53] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:53] <nixternal> it worked for me
[04:53] <JontheEchidna> cool
[04:53] <nixternal> it's working like a champ
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> I still can't get it to work... $HOME/.screenres.sh doesn't show any results in krunner
[04:54] <nixternal> though I have no clue why the hell I would want to do that
[04:54] <nixternal> no, it won't show results in konqi
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> krunner
[04:54] <nixternal> oh
[04:54] <nixternal> oh dude
[04:54] <nixternal> I read Konqueror in there and thought it was konqi
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> heh :)
[04:55] <nixternal> you know what, it used to work, as I used to figure up stuff in $HOME all the time with it
[04:55] <nixternal> I remember talking to aseigo about this a long time ago
[04:56] <nixternal> please stop with the KHelpCenter missing docs list...it needs to be pushed upstream and closed in Ubuntu already
[04:56] <nixternal> cuz I am going to be the sorry bastard fixing it upstream anyways
[04:56] <JontheEchidna> sure thing
[04:56] <nixternal> though I haven't looked at it in a while...it was a damn good list that could have created an ass ton of new bugs for kde-docs
[04:57] <nixternal> I will assign them all to jjesse and philrod for payback
[04:57] <JontheEchidna> muwahaha
[04:57] <nixternal> kde docs suck, so do ours, if you didn't already know though
[04:57] <nixternal> it is getting damn near impossible to maintain with just 2 people
[04:58] <nixternal> I don't get how gnome gets a bunch of suckers...err i mean contributors, to help with documentation
[04:58] <nixternal> kde nor us can get them
[04:58] <nixternal> KDE seriously needs a documentation sprint
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> KDE's usage of easy programming languages sucks contributors who would otherwise be unable to code :D
[04:58] <nixternal> and the good thing is, we could hold one here in Chicago when Phil Rodriguez is here working :)
[04:59] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if bug 436864 could be caused by not having an explicit dependency on python-kde4
[04:59] <nixternal> though he doesn't leave the lab much when he is here
[04:59] <nixternal> oh, I thought that was fixed
[04:59] <nixternal> we tested that bastard and it worked
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> I've not seen any more instances of it
[05:01] <nixternal> bug 438224 - tell me that doesn't scream pulse audio
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. definitely
[05:01] <nixternal> and I believe it is pulse on his system, especially with all of the gstreamer shit pulled in
[05:01] <JontheEchidna> The day somebody creates a NetworkKit we are all doooomed
[05:02] <nixternal> lol
[05:02] <nixternal> *Kit == DOOM
[05:03] <nixternal> is that polkit stuff gonna get fixed?
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> I committed a fix this morning
[05:03] <nixternal> there has to be at least 1 bug to fix in this mess
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> the k3b issue was the same polkit issue
[05:03] <nixternal> i didn't have the k3b issue
[05:03] <nixternal> or, the issue in system settings?
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> install policykit and everything's fine
[05:03] <nixternal> ya, i was using that one as an example during the bug jam
[05:04] <nixternal> I had started typing 'JontheEchidna is gonna mess with this one anyways, so who cares' and everyone was laughing :)
[05:04] <JontheEchidna> when we went from the policykit-kde package to kdebase-workspace-bin, the policykit dep got lost
[05:04] <JontheEchidna> ha, really?
[05:04] <nixternal> yup
[05:04] <JontheEchidna> haha
[05:04] <nixternal> it is on video too, but luckily the audio wasn't recorded...as I was saying some mean things about people in here :p
[05:05] <nixternal> we had a woman there that was having fun with the stuff on mark with his latest comments
[05:05] <nixternal> she was like "I heard you are the most politically incorrect person there is, how come you are being so nice?"
[05:05] <nixternal> lol
[05:06] <nixternal> so I started playing with the camera being politically incorrect, then everyone joined in..then we went for beer :p
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> aha! bug 92932
[05:12] <nixternal> holy shit
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's a bit old
[05:12] <nixternal> you think?
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it's the only thing related to bug 351463 that I can find though
[05:13] <ScottK> nixternal: Don't forget the need for kitkit to manage all the kits
[05:13] <nixternal> if (bug < 40000) { age = old; purge = true; }
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> same issue of kcheckpass not being setuid'd
[05:13] <nixternal> ScottK: hahaha
[05:13] <nixternal> holy shit
[05:13] <nixternal> I am going to create KitKit
[05:13] <nixternal> the *Kit Manager
[05:13] <nixternal> Give Me A Break!
[05:13] <nixternal> Give Me A Break!
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> ^it'd give options of which components of your system you'd like to fuck up
[05:13] <nixternal> Everyone break me off a piece of that KitKit bar!
[05:14] <nixternal> hahahahhaha
[05:14] <nixternal> dude...oh for the love of cats...I want to do that now
[05:16] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 177450 looks like a problem with the old kde-nightly packaging
[05:16] <JontheEchidna> dunno if bug 351463 was reported from kde-nightly
[05:16] <JontheEchidna> I doubt it since apachelogger stopped maintaining it a while back
[05:17] <nixternal> shit, i get tired of duplicates
[05:17] <nixternal> either LP sucks at finding them, or people are to stupid to file reports
[05:18] <nixternal> doesn't matter anyways, our bug shit is goign the way of MS Windows anyways
[05:18] <nixternal> pretty soon you will get a popup that says "Send to developers or Ignore?"
[05:18] <JontheEchidna> I used to imagine how microsoft handled getting 1 billion reports of application failure a day, even third party ones
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> now I don't
[05:19] <nixternal> I waiting for Ubuntu to just automate the computer...kind of like one of those pianos that just play...you push the start button, then watch your computer do things...never have to touch a damn thing
[05:19] <nixternal> well, except when apport pops up
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> just give people a computer with no input kernel module and running automated QA tests
[05:20] <nixternal> just sit them in a char and stair at a well
[05:20] <nixternal> preferably a brown wall
[05:30] <ScottK> Just script to incomplete and let the janitor do the rest.
[05:30] <nixternal> I think that is brian does
[05:31] <nixternal> don't know why I got into a bug triage mood either...i figure canonical pays people to do this, why should I help
[05:32] <nixternal> "Learn Java EE and Get a Free Sony PSP!"
[05:32] <ScottK> Not for our shit they don't.
[05:32] <nixternal> they have Riddell :p
[05:33] <ScottK> Does he triage bugs?
[05:33] <nixternal> no, we do
[05:33] <nixternal> actually, you all do
[05:33] <nixternal> I don't do shit
[05:34] <ScottK> You didn't need to tell us that last bit.
[05:34] <nixternal> everyone already knows ey? figured I would just reiterate it so everyone would remember
[05:34] <nixternal> I will be gone for a month here starting next week, so you all can finally get some work done
[05:34] <nixternal> hopefully I come back
[05:35] <nixternal> I will be riding past your house though on my bike, but I don't think we are staying in DC
[05:35] <nixternal> we are staying overnight somewhere north of DC, like 45 minutes north...and then we are riding down to Quantico...i know the distance is just over 70 miles that day
[05:35] <ScottK> I'm closer to Baltimore now.
[05:36] <ScottK> Where is the one north of DC?
[05:36] <nixternal> oh, so when I go visit my cousin you can take me out for beer :)
[05:36] <nixternal> i can't remember...i will have to look over the sheet again
[05:36] <ScottK> OK.  Might be close to my house
[05:37] <nixternal> oh, we are staying in aberdeen
[05:38] <nixternal> then we push off for quantico the following morning at 5am
[05:38] <nixternal> woohoo
[05:39] <nixternal> holy smokes, that is 106 miles that day
[05:39] <nixternal> if look closely in DC, you might find parts of my arse lying on the road
[05:40] <ScottK> Yeah, Aberdeen's still pretty far north in MD.
[05:40] <nixternal> I fly into DC on the 15th, head down to st. mary's county, hang out with my daughter for about a week, then fly out of dc to maine, drive over to bar harbor, pick up the bikes at the local shop, spend the night eating and drinking...then the next day we start off at 12pm for a nice 73 mile ride..then all hell breaks loose after that
[05:41] <ScottK> Where do you finish?
[05:42] <nixternal> Miami Florida
[05:43] <nixternal> unless we make good time and can make it to the keys
[05:43] <nixternal> the entire ride is like just under 1800 miles
[05:45] <ScottK> That's a ways
[05:45] <nixternal> 2 weeks of riding, but it will take us 20 or 21 days total, as we will have a day off every 4th day I think
[05:45] <nixternal> Ubuntu could have sponsored me, but they didn't...so I got Novell, Google, and a couple of small companies in chicago
[05:46] <nixternal> all that means is their logos will be on our SAG vehicle
[05:46] <nixternal> until we get around DC and they realize they are the magnatized logos...then we will have no logos :)
[06:50] <txwikinger> what did nixternal drink tonight?
[06:51] <nixternal> nope
[06:53] <jussi01> txwikinger: yeah, I was going to comment on that too :P
[06:53] <txwikinger> :D
[07:03] <Lure_> Riddell: kipi-plugins FFe ready in bug 442571, changes pushed to bzr, just need ACK from ubuntu-release and upload (use orig.tar.gz from debian unstable)
[10:06] <kjeldahl> Using experimental xf86-video-ati with 3D support, but now systemsettings refuses to load. Just hangs. Strace indicates it is stat'ing /usr/share/kde4/config/kdebug.areas a lot of times before giving up and existing.
[10:11] <kjeldahl> Seems NO applications, except those stored in session, is willing to start. Same problem. Looks like something essential in the kde system died on startup, but the session loaded programs run just fine.
[10:20] <kjeldahl> Anybody have any ideas why my kde desktop refuses to launch any kde applications, but runs things like glxgears and firefox (non-kde apps) just fine?
[10:21] <kjeldahl> Machine is also loaded, so I'm guessing kde is doing something, just do not know what. Happened after installing new open source ati drivers and mesa 3D.
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: did you see my post about kipi-plugins?
[11:59] <Lure> Riddell: before I jump on digikam: since beta5 seems to be last release before karmic release, how can we release 1.0.0/final when available?
[11:59] <Lure> Riddell: and what about translations (since LP will strip them out)?
[12:00] <Lure> Riddell: I think we should get it in karmic-updates, but I am sure SRU rules are too strict for somethign like that
[12:04] <Riddell> Lure: it can go into backports
[12:04] <Riddell> I don't think translations get stripped from backports, that would be pointless
[12:05] <freinhard> wasn't that the point why the non-english kde-experience on kubuntu was bad in case one started using backports/ppa ?
[12:07] <Riddell> in the past we havn't put up kde-i10n into the PPAs, I've had very few complains about that come through to me but I think mgraesslin includead one in hs rant from the other day
[12:07] <Riddell> so I'll  include  kde-l10n in the 4.3.2 PPA backports
[12:07] <ghostcube> hmm german would be cool to have :)
[12:08] <freinhard> Riddell: yay, you're the man! :D
[12:08] <mgraesslin> Riddell: good idea - there were many complaints in the German uu forum
[12:09] <Riddell> maybe I just don't get complaints about lack of kde-l10n because they're all in foreign languages, that  would have a  certain logic to it
[12:09] <mgraesslin> possible
[12:09] <mgraesslin> it was unusable
[12:09] <Riddell> I just hope  my bandwidth is up to it
[12:09] <mgraesslin> it was like half a sentence in English the other in German
[12:10] <mgraesslin> the "workaround" was to use debian's translation
[12:10] <ghostcube> yeah i did
[12:10] <ghostcube> nah stop
[12:10] <ghostcube> i used the karmic translations
[12:10] <ghostcube> cause they worked
[12:10] <ghostcube> in jaunty
[12:10] <ghostcube> :)
[12:11] <mgraesslin> I tried those, too, but it wasn't perfect, with sid's translation it is perfect
[12:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: bug 436748 was really just  a missing depends?!
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: heh, yeah
[13:50] <Riddell> yuriy: the e-mail your forwarded to k-d seems badly formatted
[13:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The retracers finally got to the khtml crash you asked me if I could reproduce last week.  I couldn't reproduce it, but I did re-report with the full report instead of the abbreviated one.  Backtrace is in Bug 440361.
[13:58] <ScottK> Oops
[14:00] <ScottK> Fixed
[14:43] <yuriy> Riddell: was that more readable?
[14:45] <Lure> Riddell: can you ACK bug 442571 or do I need to hunt for somebody else?
[14:46] <yuriy> Riddell: (or s/o with powahs) patches for bug 415237 and bug 439758
[14:46] <Riddell> Lure: yes I was just distracted by 4.3.2 stuff first, what's a good way to test kipi-plugins with gwenview?
[14:46] <Riddell> yuriy: you should be able to commit to ~kubuntu-members  ?
[14:46] <Riddell> yuriy: nothing new come through on e-mail
[14:47] <Lure> Anything in Plugins menu is from kipi-plugins
[14:47] <Lure> Riddell: so just try what you will
[14:47]  * Lure forgot that kde 4.3.2 is being packaged these days
[14:48] <yuriy> Riddell: oh right.. that's not the ones that were moved to -backports. d'oh.
[14:48] <yuriy> Riddell: i sent it just to you
[14:50] <ghostcube> Lure: isnt tomorrow release day :P
[14:55] <Riddell> Lure: acked
[14:55] <Riddell> yuriy: nothing here
[15:16] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - so will you upload or should I ask some other core-dev for help?
[15:18] <Riddell> Lure: I can, after kde-l10n
[15:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think I broke ruby http://paste.ubuntu.com/286229/
[15:19] <Tonio__> Riddell: I noticed kdebase-workspace-bin doesn't depend on policykit, only the libs, which ends up a segfault if missing...
[15:19] <Riddell> Tonio__: JontheEchidna fixed that  in bzr
[15:19] <Tonio__> Riddell: that's why it crashed for me.... I'm adding the dep if you don't mind
[15:19] <Tonio__> Riddell: ok right, just a little faster than me then :)
[15:20] <apachelogger> uha
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually I think lp did
[15:20] <Tonio__> Riddell: want me to upload or are we waiting for other changes ?
[15:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: waiting on 4.3.2 tomorrow
[15:20] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[15:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum right, I forgot about that one :)
[15:21] <Tonio_> lett's wait then
[15:23] <Lure> Tonio_: do you have plans to update skrooge for karmic? we have very old version in the archive...
[15:25] <freinhard> same applies for kmymoney2
[15:25] <Tonio_> Lure: very ? not that much
[15:25] <Tonio_> Lure: it is just the previous one
[15:25] <ScottK> kmymoney2 we definitely want updated
[15:26] <Tonio_> Lure: the versioning sheme changed, that's why it looks the version is pretty old
[15:26] <Tonio_> Lure: this new version has a lot of new features.... it is probably a little late to update no ?
[15:26] <Tonio_> Lure: unless you have another opinion on that point...
[15:27] <Lure> Tonio_: since it is developed pretty hard it is bad to have old release in new ubuntu release
[15:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah this is still kde3 isn't it ?
[15:27] <Lure> Tonio_: I can look into it and ask for FFe
[15:27] <ScottK> And that KDE4 version is out.
[15:27] <Lure> when I am done with digikam
[15:27] <Tonio_> Lure: as you wish :)
[15:27] <Tonio_> Lure: ping me when done so that I can upload :)
[15:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: interesting
[15:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: anyway I think skrooge is part of kde now
[15:27] <Tonio_> and pretty well maintained
[15:28]  * ScottK didn't ask about skrooge
[15:28] <Lure> Tonio_: it's universe, so I can due (if I remember how to use dput ;-)
[15:28] <Lure> do it
[15:28] <freinhard> ScottK: great, got it in my ppa, bumped claydoh's 1.0.1 to 1.0.2 in my ppa
[15:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah but as you were talking about kmymoney... :)
[15:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: Then should we ask to have the separate skrooge package removed?
[15:28] <Tonio_> Lure: right
[15:28] <ScottK> freinhard: I think Lure is the one to tell about htat
[15:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: nope it is not part of kde that way, let's say it is hosted inside the kde project
[15:29] <Tonio_> not released with kde of course :)
[15:29] <ScottK> I see
[15:29] <freinhard> Lure: bump kmymoney2, now! :D
[15:30] <Lure> ScottK: skrooge removed?
[15:31]  * Lure notices we are discussing competitive applications
[15:32] <Tonio_> Lure: yup :)
[15:32]  * Lure goes and start KMyMoneyVsSkrooge wiki page ;-)
[15:32] <freinhard> since there seem to be enough devs for both, competition is a good thing.
[15:33] <Lure> freinhard: yep, all are making good progress
[15:33]  * Lure calls it a day (at work, bbl) ;-)
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: [08:56:08 PM] <JontheEchidna> victory! http://imagebin.ca/view/x_nLZf.html vs http://imagebin.ca/view/tIV_aCf.html
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't get DBus calls to work from inside a kded module so I had to use a kapplication :(
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+junk/update-helper-notifier
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> it shouldn't be too hard to get it back inside a kded module, since the class that does all the nifty stuff is separated from the kapplication
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> that is, if I figure out how to do dbus from a kded
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> It does restart and apport notification so far
[15:43]  * JontheEchidna realizes he hasn't pushed the latest code yet
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> Anybody have a clever way to detect only when *crash files are added to /var/crash? KDirWatch it seems can only detect new files where you give it the file name
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> so watching for /var/crash being dirty emits dirty whenever new files are added *or* existing ones are changed, the latter being a problem
[15:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, obvious enough cpp will always be smaller than python :D
[15:50] <Riddell> why is that a problem?
[15:51] <apachelogger> +1 on what Riddell asked :)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> apport touches the .crash reports while processing them
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> popping up another notification while you're using apport-kde
[15:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixing your issue is quite the drag
[15:53]  * apachelogger aint got no clue why his regexp doesnt match
[15:55] <apachelogger> ah flaw in logic
[15:56]  * rgreening yawns...
[15:56] <rgreening> mornin
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> maybe if I stop the kdirwatch while apport-kde is running, then re-enable it after it exits...
[16:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: got a patch but I dont have my ssh keys on my netbook :D
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286277/
[16:03] <apachelogger> gotta go
[16:03] <apachelogger> lecture in one hour
[16:29] <rgreening> Riddell: new arora uploading to my PPA. It has an important bugfix for SSL and adblock + wallet on by default as requested :)
[16:29] <rgreening> we haz the powerz
[16:29] <rgreening> ha
[16:35] <Riddell> rgreening: can it  connect to https://www.canonicaladmin.com/ ?
[16:35] <rgreening> Riddell: was that broken for you in 0.10.0? If so, thats the fix in 0.10.1
[16:36] <Riddell> it was.  FFe approved! :)
[16:36] <rgreening> hehe.
[16:36] <rgreening> I'll ping you when it's built so you can copy over
[16:52] <rgreening> Riddell: is that canonical site also IP restricted? Or should I still be able to get some login page or something regardless?
[16:53] <rgreening> Riddell: I got a SSL cert error, and allowed the cert... but then the page takes for ever, never seeming to load..
[16:53] <rgreening> with 0.10.1
[16:53] <rgreening> Loading 22%
[16:53] <rgreening> could be my system...
[16:53] <rgreening> haha
[16:53] <Riddell> nothing IP restricted,  there is a login page
[16:53] <ScottK> Frozen intarwebs in Canada
[16:55] <rgreening> snap
[16:55] <rgreening> :P
[16:57] <txwikinger_work> ScottK: No freezing weather yet ;p
[16:58]  * txwikinger_work wonders when the weather plasmoid will work for Canada again
[17:05] <rgreening> Riddell: I checked with icefox. works for him. must be my system or firewall..
[17:05] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: works for me
[17:06] <txwikinger_work> rgreening: I get this envar error aain
[17:06] <txwikinger_work> again
[17:06] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: Im using environ canada for St. John's, NL.. works fine here.
[17:08] <txwikinger_work> rgreening: Cannot find 'envcan|validate|Kitchener-Waterloo'.
[17:08] <rgreening> Riddell: I removed my /home/rgreening/.config/arora-browser.org/* and it works
[17:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 264499 ... kpresenter-kde4 also needs to conflict kpresenter-data it seems
[17:09] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: let me try...
[17:09] <apachelogger> plz apply a fix for both karmic and all ppas we might have published backports sideports or any other ports
[17:09] <apachelogger> forgot my ssh keys at home and cant push the changes to bzr
[17:09] <apachelogger> besides, I am in a lecture :S
[17:09] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: works here
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> heh
[17:10] <rgreening> txwikinger_work: Kitchener-Waterloo, ON
[17:10] <txwikinger_work> rgreening: Well.. how do I fix it :D
[17:10] <rgreening> see above.. did you specify ON
[17:10] <Monika|K> in a lecture, past 6 p.m.?
[17:10] <txwikinger_work> Bah.. it should find it
[17:11] <rgreening> you need to specify province
[17:11] <txwikinger_work> I didn't used to
[17:12] <apachelogger> did I ever mention that the bat codebase is a mess?
[17:12] <apachelogger> ought to do major refactor :S
[17:12] <apachelogger> so much to do, so little time
[17:12]  * txwikinger_work agrees with apachelogger
[17:19] <ghostcube> isnt it like always
[17:19] <ghostcube> 24 / 7 48 / 14 needed
[17:19] <ghostcube> :D
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: The MI stuff for Quassel seems not to work.  I don't know when agateau gets back but in the meantime it's there, default off, and turning it on does nothing (I added the missing build dep)
[17:22] <Riddell> I won't be able to find out when agateux gets back until I get to  the  "new arora version"  on this todo list of mine :)
[17:22] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:34] <rgreening> Riddell: let me check the build...
[17:35] <rgreening> Riddell: It still is pending build in PPA. I built local and tested fine.
[17:35] <rgreening> Riddell: copy the details over from  https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+packages and upload to main...
[17:37] <rgreening> hmm... just checked my mail.. loks like you have done this :) ty Riddell
[18:11] <Riddell> quick revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-sdk
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> ha
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> the translations errors caused yesterday were due to the langpack server runnign out of disk space
[18:13] <apachelogger> lol
[18:13]  * Riddell was just tidying up his ~jriddell disk space
[18:13] <apachelogger> langpacks ftw
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's a native package
[18:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> I thought we didn't give native packages -0ubuntux endings?
[18:14] <Riddell> we do if there's any chance it'll get into debian
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> aah, ok
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> disregard me then. I should be fixing koffice anyways
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what are you fixing about koffice?
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> bug 264499
[18:15]  * JontheEchidna slaps ubottu
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> rather
[18:16]  * JontheEchidna slaps launchpad
[18:16] <apachelogger> stupid lp
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> but I've gotten apport notifications working pretty well, except when apport-kde never exists, thus not giving me the exit code that I need :/
[18:16] <Monika|K> Why do you slap it?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> exists-> exits
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> because launchpad took too long to return the bug data
[18:18]  * JontheEchidna revus while downloading uberlarge tarball
[18:19] <Monika|K> ubottu-substitute: "package kpresenter-kde4 None failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/kpresenter.xpm', which is also in package kpresenter-data"
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I spotted no obvious errors in qt-sdk
[18:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: rock, thanks
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do we need to ship a copying file with it, though?
[18:21] <Riddell> yes, it has one
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> ok, so the snippet in debian/copyright with the link to the full one is sufficient?
[18:21] <seele> wow.. so the launchpad icon survey is terrible
[18:24] <ScottK> seele: That's putting it mildly.
[18:25]  * seele sighs
[18:26] <seele> BAD SCIENCE ARGH
[18:27] <ScottK> I'm officially on vacation from filing Launchpad bugs since last night.
[18:27] <ScottK> Apparently my bug report comments were a little too sarcastic for them, so I'm taking a break.
[18:27] <Monika|K> where is the launchpad icon survey, seele?
[18:28] <ScottK> Monika|K: See planet.ubuntu.com
[18:29] <seele> i thought they hired people to do stuff like this
[18:30] <ScottK> seele: They did
[18:30] <ScottK> Always the best and the brightest at Launchpad
[18:30] <Riddell> no idea where they got that "little too sarcastic"  idea from :)
[18:31] <ScottK> It's not like I don't understand why they were grumpy about it.
[18:31] <yuriy> Riddell: bug 439758 i mentioned earlier is karmic not jaunty btw, so that's main, wasn't sure if you'd glossed over that after looking at me being stupid on the other one
[18:32] <Monika|K> seele, it is a strange survey indeed ... and on the first question I can't even figure out which icon they refer to
[18:32] <Riddell> yuriy: but you have  a patch you can commit?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: btw, do you know if automatically-spawned apport-kde processes are exiting properly these days?
[18:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll New the qt-sdk after it's uploaded.  Just give me a ping.
[18:35] <yuriy> Riddell: i committed to update-notifier-kde, but there's also a patch for kde4libs
[18:35] <Riddell> yuriy: we keep our packaging  in bzr, lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[18:35] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: they aren't. except sometimes when they are, but I don't know when that is.
[18:36] <yuriy> Riddell: oh, shouldn't only things that are actually uploaded go in there? how does it work if someone makes a change that then gets denied?
[18:36] <seele> rickspencer3: what's your opinion on the launchpad survey? am i being overly critical?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ok, thanks
[18:36] <rickspencer3> seele, I am sorry, I have not paid any attention to it
[18:37] <rgreening> yuriy: upload to bzr, ping a dev to review
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> my new updater relies on getting an exited status from apport-kde to re-enable notifications :(
[18:37] <rgreening> yuriy: dev will correect, etc...
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> ^or reject if necessary
[18:37] <Riddell> yuriy: well we remove it, but the point of bzr is it allows people to commit stuff so it's ready for review+upload when appropriate
[18:37] <rgreening> ya. what JontheEchidnasaid
[18:37] <yuriy> Riddell, rgreening: sorry just never got the process for bzr packaging. ok i can do that.
[18:37] <rgreening> :)
[18:37] <rgreening> yuriy: the important thing is to ensure we keep them in sync...
[18:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: for native packages I'm find with them just pointing at /usr/share/common-licences, no need for full copy
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> ok, cool
[18:39] <lex79> there is no more a  button for report a bug in this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/, how can I file a bug? IoI
[18:39] <rickspencer3> lex79, use ubuntu-bug
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect
[18:40] <rgreening> the whole new lp needs a major tutorial on changes...
[18:40] <lex79> thanks JontheEchidna. It's weird there isn't a button for this....
[18:40] <rgreening> too many changes...
[18:41] <rgreening> haha
[18:41] <rickspencer3> lex79, are you sure you don't want to us ubuntu-bug?
[18:41] <rgreening> took me forever to realize I had my own private PPA link on my PPA page and the orginal ninjas page didnt anymore..
[18:41] <rickspencer3> logging bugs from the web page is only for circumstances where there is not a package to associate the bug with
[18:41] <lex79> ubuntu-bug? what is? :)
[18:42] <rgreening> rickspencer3: but thiere is no button on the page? :)
[18:42] <rgreening> haha
[18:42] <rickspencer3> rgreening, exactly
[18:42] <rickspencer3> lex79, ubuntu-bug is a program build into ubuntu
[18:42] <yuriy> rgreening: the in sync part is what confuses me, because it seems very prone to unsyncing
[18:42] <rgreening> lol.. and if you are on a non ubuntu os... and need ot file a bug?
[18:42] <rgreening> rickspencer3: ^
[18:43] <rickspencer3> rgreening, the redirect is only under Ubuntu
[18:43] <rgreening> ah
[18:43] <rgreening> hmm...
[18:43] <rickspencer3> so your own projects, etc... are not impacted
[18:43] <rgreening> ok then...
[18:43] <lex79> I saw ubuntu-bug, I prefer lp, and I prefer lp old style :)
[18:43]  * rgreening thinkw there does need to be some lp seminars at UDS or something online...
[18:44] <yuriy> lex79: if you can use ubuntu-bug though, even the most basic info it adds (ubuntu release...) ends up being quite useful to have up there in a uniform fashion from the getgo
[18:44] <rickspencer3> rgreening, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs *is* a tutorial
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> it sure makes it a pain in the ass to file needs-packaging bugs
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> and merge requests, unless you want your merged ticket polluted with all the crap apport attaches
[18:46] <ScottK> rickspencer3: There are plenty of cases where the added information added by ubuntu-bug isn't needed.
[18:46] <rickspencer3> ScottK, yes, but many many more where it is
[18:46] <rickspencer3> the ratio of "needs info" bugs to actionable bugs is overwhelming
[18:46] <ScottK> Of course the notion of a web site that needs documentation for how to use it seems inherently wrong
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> surely there would be an easy way for developers to not have to find obscure no-redirect arguments so that they can file their bugs?
[18:47] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Now that devs are exempt, I think it's OK.
[18:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Developers are supposed to be exempt from the redirect
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, they are now?
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> I am happy
[18:47] <ScottK> Actually it's bugsquad (when includes ubuntu-dev)
[18:48] <ScottK> I think it had something to do with the bug Keybuck filed in all caps.
[18:50] <ScottK> Keybuck/Keybuk
[18:55] <lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have time, launchpad bug 443329
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> lex79: "and the history of templates is now saved" <- was this broken earlier, or is this a new feature?
[18:58] <lex79> I think it was broken in old release, but not sure
[18:59] <rickspencer3> Riddell, may I bring up the bug I just assigned to you?
[18:59] <rickspencer3> (for discussion)
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ok, after I get done with koffice I'll have a look
[19:00] <lex79> ok
[19:00] <Riddell> bug 443335
[19:01] <rickspencer3> rgreening, ScottK, seele, others ...
[19:01] <Riddell> rickspencer3: nope, launchpad has defeated our bot
[19:01] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/443335
[19:01] <rickspencer3> hehe
[19:01] <rickspencer3> do you guys have a moment to discuss this change>
[19:01] <rickspencer3> ?
[19:01] <Riddell> looks like a once in a  lifetime chance for  Kubuntu to give back to canonical with some revenue
[19:01] <neversfelde> bug 425319 needs a sponsor
[19:02] <ScottK> Well it got a lot of negative feedback doing that for Ubuntu.
[19:02] <rickspencer3> Riddell, yes, I think it will be quite helpful for the project ... but
[19:02] <neversfelde> should I subscripe universe-sponsors only, or is a subscription for the release team necessary, too?
[19:02] <rickspencer3> it does have a slight change to the user experience
[19:02] <rickspencer3> ScottK, well, this just does what Ubuntu does
[19:02] <neversfelde> s/subscripe/subscribe
[19:02] <rickspencer3> or that's what I meant
[19:02] <ScottK> rickspencer3: Right.  My recollection was that it was pretty unpopular.  I may be confusing this with another issue though.
[19:02] <rickspencer3> so when users open a new browser and do a search within the new page, it does the same thing that FF in Ubuntu does
[19:03] <rickspencer3> ScottK, that was when we made every UI element in FF go there
[19:03] <ScottK> Oh
[19:03] <rickspencer3> this is just the search box on the default home page
[19:03] <ScottK> So is there a way we can try this out?
[19:03] <ScottK> To see what the experience would be?
[19:03] <rickspencer3> is it possible to configure what URL for the default page there to use?
[19:03] <Riddell> ScottK: follow the link on the bug
[19:04] <ScottK> OK
[19:04] <rickspencer3> in any case, it will be exactly the same as in Ubuntu
[19:04] <Riddell> rickspencer3: so it's not for the top right search box?
[19:04] <rickspencer3> (but I would like a *Kubuntu* specific identifier there
[19:04] <rickspencer3> Riddell, I don't think so
[19:04] <rickspencer3> that is used much more, and I would suggest that you are much more careful about changing that
[19:05] <rickspencer3> so this is *just* the search box inside the default home page
[19:05] <rickspencer3> also, if users can search from the URL bar, I wouldn't mess with that either
[19:05] <rickspencer3> also note, the design team and the web team are planning to slightly enhance that landing page, by adding some typical Google features back, like links to image search and such
[19:06] <rickspencer3> though at this stage, I wouldn't promise they will get that done in time
[19:06] <ScottK> rickspencer3: I guess I'm not clear why Kubuntu would want this?
[19:06] <rickspencer3> ScottK, because that landing page is one of the few sources of revenue for Ubuntu, and Kubuntu should be participating in that
[19:06] <Riddell> because Kubuntu has to  pay for itself?
[19:07] <ScottK> OK, fair enough.
[19:07] <rickspencer3> ScottK, though I don't want to blow off your point
[19:07] <rickspencer3> I think that's why I would not suggest changing where the search box on top right points to and such
[19:07] <rickspencer3> as that would be too big of a change without a user benefit
[19:08] <rickspencer3> ScottK, thanks for your time, I didn't want you all to be surprised, etc...
[19:08] <ScottK> rickspencer3: I suspect we will get some negative feedback.  I think we should have a good answer to what the benifit for Kubuntu would be.
[19:08] <rickspencer3> please let me know right away if there are unintended consequences ;)
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> lex79: from the debdiff it looks like a new feature
[19:09] <rickspencer3> ScottK, I would say, generating revenue to support the project, and giving Canonical some insight into the contribution that Kubuntu makes to the community
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I would feel comfortable if you did an FFe for it
[19:09] <Monika|K> What is an FFe?
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be too hard, though. it's a small feature and translations are good
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> Monika|K: Feature Freeze Exception
[19:10] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, I'll request
[19:10] <Monika|K> ah, thx
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> yup, np
[19:11] <jtechidna> oops
[19:13] <rickspencer3> hey, Scott and I were doing some PMing while you all were talking
[19:14] <rickspencer3> wherein ScottK basically lauded my genius, good lucks, generosity, and modesty
[19:14] <seele> hehe
[19:14] <ScottK> Or something.
[19:14] <rickspencer3> thanks for  your time all
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: I'll take a look at kid
[19:15]  * rickspencer3 is going crazy getting Karmic finalized
[19:15] <ScottK> I think it's unfortunate that it's so close to release we are considering this, but it's probably OK
[19:15] <rickspencer3> ScottK, my fault entirely
[19:15] <ScottK> rickspencer3: I do think that if we are going to do this, it should be done very quickly.
[19:15] <rickspencer3> yes, Riddell is working on it asap
[19:15] <rickspencer3> we should roll it out while there is a chance to revert in the case of unintended consequences
[19:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:16] <ScottK> Personally, I'm a little uncomfortable with the idea, but I can see the rationale for it and so I don't really object.
[19:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Once it's ready, I think you should send some kind of announcement message to kubuntu-devel/kubuntu-users so no one thinks we are trying to sneak this in.
[19:17] <Riddell> can do
[19:17] <yuriy> as long as we're already directing all searches to google anyway, I don't think it's a big deal.  actually I think the current setup of giving them all our searches but not getting anything back (like Mozilla does, for one) is worse.
[19:19] <Riddell> ScottK: qt-sdk and dooble should  be in the  new queue
[19:20] <txwikinger_work> what about arora?
[19:20] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll do qt-sdk.  No promises on dooble
[19:24] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: uploaded that earlier  today thanks to  rgreening
[19:24] <txwikinger_work> Riddell: cool
[19:25] <ScottK> Riddell: qt-sdk accepted.  I'd think subversion would be a recommends at most since Qt uses Git and KDE is moving there.
[19:25] <rgreening> :)
[19:26] <Riddell> ScottK: package list is from Qt, I just do as I'm asked.  I think the rationale is it's the tools that qtcreator supports
[19:26] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Fair enough.
[19:31] <lex79> For sync request, kshutdown beta6 in ubuntu and beta8 in Debian, I need to request also a FFe ?
[19:33] <Riddell> only if it has new features
[19:34] <lex79> uhm, yes it has
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> I think it'd be ok to do the FFe and sync request in the same report
[19:34] <ScottK> It would
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> would a motu-release ack count as an motu ack too?
[19:34] <ScottK> No
[19:34] <ScottK> Not unless the motu-release person says so explicitly
[19:35] <lex79> So I need one ack from motu-release and one from motu for sync?
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, just ping me after you get the FFe approved and I'll ack and subscribe the archive admins
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> unless they give an MOTU ack along with the FFe approval
[19:43] <lex79> always timeout error in lp :(
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: kid3 uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[19:53] <ScottK> rickspencer3 and Riddell: One other comment about the custom search thing.  It does appear to change the actual search results too.  Compare the number of possible matches in http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-2070091971271392&channel=3567841739&cof=FORID:13;AH:left;CX:Ubuntu_Start_Page_(a);L:http://www.google.com/intl/en/images/logos/custom_search_logo_sm.gif;LH:30;LP:1;&q=quilt+debian+patch&btnG=Search and http://www.google
[19:53] <ScottK> .com/search?hl=en&q=quilt+debian+patch&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1
[19:53] <ScottK> I don't know that that changes anything, but I think it's relevant.
[19:59] <lex79> vorian: launchpad bug 443386 443329
[20:10] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: thank you
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[20:12] <yuriy> ahah! the apport-kde segfault is because the common apport stuff uses sys.exit()
[20:12] <yuriy> not that this is terribly helpful
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> this crash happened right after apport-qt became apport-kde, right?
[20:13] <yuriy> maybe?
[20:13] <yuriy> hmm maybe qapplication is less sensitive to that
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> I seem to remember there being a fiddly crasher bug about that...
[20:14] <yuriy> bug 403361?
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> I mean, pykde in general
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> the kapplication had to have something done with it or else it crashed on exit
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you remember what that was? I think you brought it up in a tutorial day talk
[20:19] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: that would be good to know! i've been throwing around that bug number for about 3 weeks hoping somebody had some idea
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> you'd think that I'd think of this earlier :P
[20:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: it was probably the sys.exit(app.exec_()) which yuriy and I had discussed doesnt work in this scenario...
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> meh
[20:25] <rgreening> possibly anyway...
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> that sounds about right
[20:46] <ghostcube> \O/ 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty1 0
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> omg, as a kded updatehelpernotifier only takes up 0.2 MB idle, and 1.3 MB when showing a notification
[20:59] <ScottK> neversfelde: Why did you disable mp4 support on kid3?  That's why we moved it to multiverse?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> The bug says that neither him nor upstream can build with mp4 at the moment
[21:06] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: KMainWindow
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah.. all applications had to have a kmainwindow or else they'd die, I think
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: ^
[21:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I guess that's a decent reason.  Thanks.
[21:07] <yuriy> JontheEchidna, Riddell: wonderful.
[21:07] <ScottK> Although building without it isn't going so well either: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kid3/1.2-1ubuntu3
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> hmm... pbuilt fine for me
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> buildlog looks smallish
[21:09] <ScottK> Amazing how much faster Intel graphics are on Karmic.
[21:09]  * ScottK just put present windows on the top screen edge because it's so usable.
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> dh_builddeb
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> Found files in /usr/local (must be in /usr).
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debian/kid3/usr/local
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debian/kid3/usr/local/bin
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debian/kid3/usr/local/bin/kid3
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> debian/kid3/usr/local/share
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> then it goes on for a while
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> definitely didn't happen locally
[21:10] <ScottK> You looked?
[21:10] <ScottK> Unless you have pkgbinarymangler installed in your chroot, a /usr/local build won't fail in pbuilder.
[21:11] <ScottK> Is it written in Python?
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> nope, it's Qt3 and Qt4 C++
[21:11]  * JontheEchidna checks if it's a double build package
[21:11] <ScottK> OK
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's a double build. but the packaging hasn't really changed and this used to build...
[21:13] <rgreening> Heh, I just realized Kubuntu Karmic Koala... KKK.. how bad a$$ is that
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> It's a trifecta of K's. Too bad it has a bad reputation or that'd be neat
[21:14] <rgreening> yeah
[21:19] <ScottK> Doesn't help to rearrange the words either
[21:20] <ghostcube> KKK as in neverending story
[21:21] <ghostcube> Carl Conrad Coreander (German Karl Konrad Koriander)
[21:21] <ghostcube> höh
[21:23] <Tm_T> ghostcube: höh itsellenne
[21:24] <ghostcube> :)
[21:27] <ghostcube> maybe we should steel apples stupid slogan
[21:27] <ghostcube> like this
[21:27] <ghostcube> KDE there is a app for everything
[21:27] <ghostcube> :D
[21:28] <yuriy> KDE there is a kapp for everything  d:)
[21:28] <ghostcube> yeah
[21:29] <ghostcube> KDE a (K)App for all youre needs
[21:29] <ghostcube> :)
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ..unless you use python, where you'll need a KMainWindow too
[21:30] <yuriy> i'll stick with the "KDE is ours" slogans
[21:30] <ghostcube> heh
[21:32] <freinhard> KDE a (K)App for all youre nerds?
[21:42] <ghostcube> :D
[21:50] <Tm_T> I'll stick with my sillyness: (someone asked me to do something pink) http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/art/kde_girlsonly_001.png
[22:06]  * ScottK hands Tm_T http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html (A Kubuntu derivative, BTW)
[22:06] <Tm_T> ScottK: have seen that, mine is approx. 5 years old
[22:11] <yuriy> lol @ arora "lightweight"
[22:13] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes, JontheEchidna said it. There were changes for mp4 in taglib, so I guess that is the problem. I can write another mail to upstream, probably he can inform me, when the problem is solved and we can do an SRU then.
[22:13] <ScottK> OK
[22:14] <ScottK> We should leave it in multiverse then
[22:17] <txwikinger_work> yuriy: Well.. I got arora to use 1.5G of virtual memory
[22:30] <Riddell> any jaunty users able to test 4.3.2?
[22:31] <ScottK> Sorry.  Moved on here
[22:49] <lex79> someone who have the power, can increase build score of this ? https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/1276389
[22:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: are you  on i386?
[22:51] <Mamarok> nope, 64 bit
[22:52] <Riddell> fooey, amd64 is being slow
[22:52] <Riddell> lex79: NCommander is the only one with such powers
[22:52] <Riddell> and he isn't easily bribed
[22:52] <Mamarok> hm, I will be patient, still have to clean up my home folder before mocing to Karmic :)
[22:52] <lex79> ehhhh, I know :(
[22:52] <Mamarok> moving* even
[22:53] <NCommander> Riddell, Fe-Fi-Fo-Thumb, I smell the bribe of an englishman :-P
[22:53] <lex79> IoI
[22:53] <NCommander> lex79, rescored
[22:53] <lex79> NCommander: thank you :)
[22:54] <Riddell> NCommander: I don't think lex79 is English
[22:54] <NCommander> Riddell, stop running my puns :-P
[22:54] <lex79> Riddell: :)
[22:57] <ghostcube> any packages still in build for 4.3.2 ?
[22:57] <Riddell> ghostcube: how do you mean?
[22:57] <ghostcube> ehm, are all 4.3.2 packages build already is better english i think so
[22:58] <ghostcube> :)
[22:58] <Riddell> we havn't uploaded for karmic, jaunty is still compiling for amd64
[22:58] <ghostcube> ah ok thx thats exactly the one i needed :)
[23:05] <Sput> ScottK: well, Jaunty had a new intel driver together with outdated kernel and X :)
[23:12] <ghostcube> when is karmic to be released round about
[23:13] <Riddell> KarmicReleaseSchedule knows
[23:13] <ghostcube> :) yeah but its official dates so no time probs till noe ?
[23:13] <ghostcube> w
[23:14] <a|wen> ghostcube: nobody ever knows the exact time until it happens
[23:14] <a|wen> ;)
[23:14] <ghostcube> yeah thats why i wrote round about heh
[23:14] <ghostcube> ;)
[23:15] <ghostcube> hmm oh ok 3 weeks to go i thought it was earlier :)
[23:16]  * a|wen invites ghostcube to come join the fun that will be 9.10 already now :P
[23:16] <ghostcube> hmmm why dont i believe in this :P
[23:16] <ghostcube> i ordered two new games so i need it working at the moment
[23:17] <ghostcube> heh
[23:17] <ghostcube> final update will be tricky enough i think so
[23:17] <ghostcube> :D
[23:17] <a|wen> heh
[23:18] <a|wen> i have a habit of upgrading my main computer to a new release somewhere between alpha 2 and 5 :)
[23:18] <ghostcube> i mostly get into new release if its rc
[23:18] <ghostcube> so most update bugs has gone
[23:19] <ghostcube> i have so many ppa repos in my list i hope it works flawlessly
[23:19] <ghostcube> :D
[23:21] <a|wen> it usually goes pretty good if not very good for me
[23:24] <ghostcube> i get always trouble if i update my own system
[23:24] <ghostcube> if i do this on any other pc it works
[23:24] <ghostcube> oo
[23:26] <a|wen> one of the dreaded curses to have :P
[23:41] <ghostcube> is there any tool similar to gsmartcontrol in Qt ?
[23:41] <ghostcube> would be cool to have in kubuntu if so