[00:00] <stapel> how do i change the theme back to the default?
[00:00] <coz_> stapel, default gtk theme?
[00:01] <Jeruvy> well finally got a dvd to play....really poorly :)
[00:01] <coz_> system/preferences/appearance   customize
[00:01] <coz_> Jeruvy,  I was about to ask about that myself  what did you do?
[00:01] <coz_> Jeruvy,  because it refuses to play here disabling the dvd rom
[00:01] <stapel> coz_: Like on a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[00:02] <Jeruvy> I installed the medibuntu packages, and ubuntu-restricted-extras, so now both totem and vlc play, but ton of video and audio artifacting thats just crap.
[00:02] <coz_> stapel,  I believe that is the clearlooks theme
[00:02] <coz_> Jeruvy,  damn
[00:02] <stapel> coz_: for UNR?
[00:02] <coz_> oh
[00:02] <coz_> stapel,  no  I havent run UNR  for a while now
[00:03] <coz_> sorry I dont know
[00:03] <coz_> stapel,  right click desktop  or click one of the links in the side bars?
[00:04]  * Jeruvy is going to try some other dvd's for giggles
[00:04] <stapel> coz_: right click does nothing
[00:04] <NoelJB> coz_, the constrain thing is an open bug
[00:04] <coz_> stapel, mm   let me check
[00:04] <stapel> coz_: which links in the sidebar?
[00:04] <coz_> NoelJB,  ah thanks i was wondering about that  :)
[00:05] <stapel> coz_: thanx
[00:05] <nick125> Anyone here notice that the battery OSD is a bit......off?
[00:05] <NoelJB> coz_, come to think of it, I could ask Amaranth about it ...
[00:05] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Summary? :)
[00:06] <stapel> is there a UNR specific room?
[00:06] <coz_> stapel,  isnt there a Preferences button on the left  panel?
[00:06] <NoelJB> Amaranth, if coz_ and I are talking about the same thing?  bug 82654
[00:07] <coz_> stapel,  my guess is if you click Preferences you will get to appearance dialog
[00:07] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Oh, notice Fix Committed :)
[00:07] <coz_> cool
[00:07] <stapel> coz_: No...UNR layout changed a bit...there is only a left panel now...and system takes you to preferences
[00:07] <NoelJB> yes on 9/28.  but not released :-)
[00:07] <Amaranth> We had to change the way constrain worked before we could turn it back on
[00:07] <coz_> stapel,  ah ok then systems it is :)
[00:08] <Amaranth> So now upstream constrain is ignored when using the window menu's move option or moving with alt-click and resize is also constrained
[00:08] <stapel> ok...I've got appearance open...how do I get back to default theme?
[00:08] <Amaranth> So that combined with the change made in the packaging will fix the bug
[00:08] <coz_> stapel,  not sure as I said I dont have UNR installed but there should a dialog for changing themes
[00:08] <NoelJB> Amaranth, any idea when that will go to Fix Released?
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's not Fix Released because I'm hoping we'll have an 0.8.4 release soonish and we can just use that instead of another git snapshot
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Before RC? :)
[00:09] <stapel> coz_: customize...
[00:09] <NoelJB> Amaranth, so [Any Day | Real Soon] Now
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Yeah
[00:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Either a couple days after an upstream 0.8.4 release or some time before RC, whichever happens first :)
[00:10] <coz_> Amaranth,  0.8.4 still up for tomorrow?
[00:10] <Amaranth> coz_: That was just me being hopeful
[00:10] <NoelJB> Amaranth, someone really should flesh out the bio at wikipedia :-p
[00:10] <coz_> Amaranth,  :)   oh then I went for it as well  :)
[00:10] <Amaranth> coz_: We've got all the pieces in place except for a review of the one more fix we want to get in
[00:11] <Amaranth> coz_: Once that gets reviewed and committed we just need someone to do it
[00:11] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok cool  I will ask again in the channel
[00:11] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Feel free :)
[00:11] <NoelJB> LOL
[00:11] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok cool  :)
[00:11] <indicava> so I updated my karmic install several times since the beta release and still no new login screen :( how come, screenshots on the web show for a clean karmic beta install
[00:11] <DanaG> anyway, I fixed all my stuff, and now it does boot rather decently quickly.
[00:12] <Amaranth> coz_: btw, Constrain Y disabling itself is because the person who changed the default option didn't know how compiz worked well at the time so set a gconf system default for that option
[00:12] <coz_> Amaranth,  oh!  ok  ..well I expected issues with beta  so it comes as no surprise :)
[00:13] <coz_> although icons missing under Place is a bit weird :)
[00:13] <coz_> Places
[00:13] <Amaranth> by design
[00:14] <coz_> oh!
[00:14] <coz_> Amaranth,  why was that?
[00:14] <Amaranth> You mean the last 3 items, right?
[00:14] <coz_> yep
[00:14] <ArkoldThos> anyone here lost the sound while upgrading?
[00:14] <Amaranth> Menu items that aren't objects have no menu items
[00:14] <Amaranth> coz_: you'll notice menu and button items gone from almost everywhere
[00:14] <coz_> Amaranth,  ok  interesting...why the change    this time around?
[00:15] <Amaranth> s/items/icons/
[00:15] <NoelJB> coz_, upstream (gnome) did/wanted it.  they think it is cleaner
[00:15] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[00:15] <Amaranth> coz_: was an upstream usability decision, too many icons makes the UI look cluttered
[00:15] <NoelJB> there is a bug report on it somewhere, but I don't have it handy.
[00:15] <DanaG> hmm, I've done a restore-from-backup-onto-new-partition.
[00:15] <coz_> ok  I guess I can used to this arrangment then :)
[00:16] <Jeruvy> well dvd playback is very mixed.  Some play reasonbly ok, most play poorly and some are just garbage playback.  This must be due to libdvdcss2 since uncompressed/unencrypted movies play fine.
[00:16] <indicava> I get the new login screen background, but the user chooser is still the one from the alpha release so is the bottom panel, why is that?
[00:19] <roffe>  I really like the new wallpaper that changes every 30(?) minutes. Does anyone know what will be the official wallpaper?
[00:20] <NoelJB> roffe, huh?  my wallpaper doesn't change.
[00:21] <ArkoldThos> sound doesn't work and im unable to open system settings (kubuntu)
[00:22] <roffe> NoelJB, the one with stars and pictures of the earth etc
[00:22] <NoelJB> roffe, screensaver or desktop background?
[00:22] <roffe> desktop background
[00:23] <NoelJB> roffe, I just have this sort of yellow brown one that came out recently.
[00:24] <roffe> I think it came with the beta
[00:24] <ArkoldThos> DAMN konsole is getting frozen using autocomplete
[00:24] <roffe> Perhaps you haven't downloaded the latest files
[00:24] <NoelJB> roffe, I have.  Is there something you've added to cause them to switch/rotate?
[00:25] <roffe> NoelJB, If I haven't completely forgot about it, I don't think I've done anything but update Ubuntu. Has anyone else got the wallpaper that changes?
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/402050
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> wtf is that spammer..
[00:26] <Jeruvy> roffe: no, whats the package?
[00:26] <LjL> Ian_Corne: ?
[00:26] <NoelJB> roffe, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[00:27] <roffe> NoelJB, Ubuntu. Perhaps I have downloaded the wallpapers then :)
[00:28] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's the space wallpaper
[00:28] <NoelJB> roffe, do you have wallpaper-tray installed?
[00:28] <roffe> It's a really neat(IMO) that changes about every 30 minutes. Now that I think about it I think I got quite many new wallpapers including this
[00:28] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It's actually a series of wallpapers that change over time
[00:29] <Volkodav1> is there a way to transfer all accounts and settings from for thunderd-3.0 from jaunty to karmic without entering all the stuff again ?
[00:29] <DanaG> roffe: ah yeah, the xml file wallpaper... it tells Gnome how often to change the images, and how to fade them.
[00:29] <Volkodav1> I guess copy all profile and folders ?
[00:29] <Amaranth> roffe: Does it change smoothly for you? For me it just suddenly switches from one to the other (it used to fade)
[00:30] <roffe> Amaranth, As far as I can remember it has only switched instantly. Fading would be preferable, though
[00:30] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what package?  I saw drapes and wallpaper-tray, but neither of those is what you seem to be mentioning.
[00:30] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It actually ships with the screensavers, it's the same images as the Cosmos screensaver
[00:30] <Amaranth> NoelJB: but you should have it either way
[00:31] <NoelJB> How do I enable it?  Not sure if I want it, but curious, now.
[00:31] <Amaranth> NoelJB: You should see a picture of space in the list of backgrounds in appearance properties
[00:32] <NoelJB> Amaranth, yes.  but it isn't intuitive that selecting it would lead to a rotating background :-)
[00:32] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It does have a little arrow under it
[00:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, no it does not.  but now that you mention it, I see that it has an outline indicating that there are multiple things there.
[00:33] <yang_> Hey, can somebody help me with a dns issue?
[00:33] <RPG_Master> So, anymore info about the flash issue?
[00:33] <NoelJB> it looks like a slight fanned card deck.
[00:33] <Amaranth> RPG_Master: You mean where did my clicks go?
[00:34] <NoelJB> ah, the arrow appears when it is selected.
[00:34] <Amaranth> NoelJB: the arrow appears after you select it
[00:34] <RPG_Master> Amaranth: yeah
[00:34] <NoelJB> Amaranth, interesting.  I could see doing something like that for myself, but with my own images.
[00:34] <Amaranth> RPG_Master: Just that it only affects some flash (streaming videos, mostly) and happens with every WM instead of just compiz
[00:34] <RPG_Master> Amaranth:  Like, you can watch a youtube video but you can't pause it
[00:34] <RPG_Master> right?
[00:35] <Amaranth> right
[00:35] <mercutio22> help, I am reveiving a video call in empathy but I see no way to answer that an d end the ringing!! hehehehe
[00:35] <Amaranth> Oh, and it doesn't matter if you use nspluginwrapper or not, it still happens
[00:35] <mercutio22> what the heck
[00:35] <RPG_Master> Whats weird is flash works perfect Epiphany :/
[00:35] <RPG_Master> *in
[00:36] <RPG_Master> I am actually starting to like Epiphany :)
[00:36] <coz_> ok I officially dont like the lack of icons  :)
[00:37] <RPG_Master> but there are a few Firefox add-ons I kinda miss....
[00:37] <RPG_Master> Ubiquity, Read It Later... actually thats it :P
[00:38] <RPG_Master> Anyone else here using Epiphany?
[00:38] <RPG_Master> Its quiet nice now that its using Webkit :)
[00:38] <thiebaude> RPG_Master, it didn't work for me
[00:39] <RPG_Master> Epiphany?
[00:39] <thiebaude> RPG_Master, yea, i set it up, but couln't connect to irc
[00:40] <RPG_Master> Wait, how do you connect to IRC through a web browser?
[00:40] <RPG_Master> :(
[00:40] <RPG_Master> and he leaves me....
[00:40] <Ian_Corne> :)
[00:40] <test34> RPG_Master, http://java.freenode.net/ is one way
[00:41] <virtuald> so... what am i missing that alerts me when someone sends me an message through empathy?
[00:52] <zmjjmz> ANyone else here use 9.10 beta on a dell mini 9?
[00:59] <RPG_Master> I am afraid of trying Gnome-shell :|
[00:59] <RPG_Master> I am afraid it'll mess up something :/
[00:59] <gorgonzola> hello. does anyone know where to report bugs against packages in kubuntu ppas?
[00:59] <RPG_Master> Is it safe to try?
[01:00] <RPG_Master> gorgonizer: Launchpad maybe :/
[01:00] <RPG_Master> I am not sure
[01:00] <BUGabundo> not always
[01:00] <RPG_Master> I don't file bugs often :P
[01:00] <BUGabundo> not all teams have a BTS on LP
[01:00] <BUGabundo> sometimes you just have to contact dev
[01:00] <BUGabundo> in case of Kubuntu packages
[01:00] <Amaranth> gorgonzola: If it's the official kubuntu ppa just file bugs against the ubuntu packages but make sure you mention the package version
[01:00] <RPG_Master> Ah, sorry.
[01:00] <BUGabundo> just file against regutlar kubuntu
[01:01] <BUGabundo> and state version and PPA used
[01:01] <eternal_p> evening all..anyone have any idea why my ubuntu-desktop is being held back on my updates ?
[01:01] <zmjjmz> anyone here use 9.10 with dell mini 9?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> or what ever Amaranth said
[01:01] <BUGabundo> I hate beeing lagged :\
[01:02] <chris_> is there any way to get amarok to work in 9.1?
[01:03] <Volkodav1> will deluge ppa work for Karmic ?
[01:03] <Volkodav1> it is not listed there yet
[01:03] <eternal_p> volkodav1: I'm using it, just put in jaunty
[01:04] <Volkodav1> ok
[01:05] <chris_> does anyone have amarok working?
[01:05] <ArkoldThos> chris_, the dependencies aren't yet upgraded
[01:06] <ArkoldThos> just wait for tomorrow and update the package list, then upgrade
[01:06] <Volkodav1> exaile is almost the same thing in gtk
[01:06] <ArkoldThos> but exaile goes crazy with 40k songs xd
[01:07] <Amaranth> chris_: Try again tomorrow evening (UTC)
[01:07] <Amaranth> ArkoldThos: Actually the packaging was just broken
[01:07] <Dai> exaile is the reason we have the saying "those that do not understand amarok are doomed to repeat it poorly.  in python."  okay, so we don't actually have that saying, but it's true.
[01:07] <Amaranth> banshee ftw
[01:08]  * DanaG uses quodlibet.
[01:08] <Dai> mpd ftw :)
[01:08] <DanaG> The only thing I don't like about it, is that it spams notifications on track change.
[01:08] <Amaranth> Banshee: Proving amarok developers don't know how to use sqlite since 2008.
[01:08] <DanaG> And notify-osd gets backlogged way too easily.
[01:08] <Dai> Amaranth: amarok doesn't use sqlite anymore though
[01:08] <ArkoldThos> i liked hwen amarok used mysql server
[01:08] <Amaranth> Dai: That was the point
[01:08] <ArkoldThos> and amarok doensn't use sqlite anymore :p, they moved just to mysql lite or smth
[01:09] <Dai> ArkoldThos: they do use a mysql server, if you so choose
[01:09] <Amaranth> They claim sqlite is too slow
[01:09] <Dai> you haven't used it recently, i'm guessing
[01:09] <ArkoldThos> dai, what amarok we are talking about, 1.4 or 2?
[01:09] <Dai> ArkoldThos: 2
[01:09] <ArkoldThos> :O!
[01:09] <Amaranth> Meanwhile banshee has been demo'ed with 1,000,000 entries and a filter/search time of a couple seconds
[01:09] <chris_> Amaranth: ok thanks, how do you know something is happening tomorrow though? just curious i dont know how all of this works
[01:10] <ArkoldThos> they summit new packages on x day
[01:10] <Amaranth> chris_: Tomorrow Kubuntu developers will be back at work and notice :)
[01:10] <Dai> as of post-2.1 development, external mysql has been available, as of 2.2 proper, you can actually do it with the GUI :)
[01:10] <ArkoldThos> not sure about ubuntu dev cycle :o or how they do
[01:11] <gorgonizer> chris_: I managed to build my own version of Amarok 2.2 for AMD64 from the sources :)
[01:11] <Amaranth> ubuntu development nearly grinds to a halt on the weekends
[01:11] <Dai> ArkoldThos: if you haven't checked out amarok due to 2.x being horrible, 2.2 might change your mind, it brings back most of what made amarok great (and in better form), and the interface is finally user-configurable.
[01:12] <Amaranth> Dai: So it's really more of a "build your own music player" toolbox
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> nope
[01:12] <ArkoldThos> im using amarok 2 since beta
[01:12] <damagu> Can anyone tell what "Not available in the current data" means in relation to the app store?
[01:13] <ArkoldThos> Dai, plus i traslated all weekly announcements of amarok 2 :p
[01:13] <Amaranth> damagu: Need more context. Where do you see this?
[01:13] <damagu> Amaranth: when I try to install stuff using the app store.
[01:13] <Amaranth> "stuff"?
[01:14] <RPG_Master_> :O
[01:14] <RPG_Master_> Gnome-shell is trippy :D
[01:15] <Dai> Amaranth: sort of.  you can get rid of that terrible middle panel, stack panels, move the player bar around...  it's still not *perfect*, but it's a whole lot better than 2.0 or 2.1.  oh, and they've fixed most of the bugs in collectionmanager, which is why i quit using it - it actually *deleted* some of my music when trying to arrange it with 2.1 >:(
[01:15] <Amaranth> damagu: Oh, that just means the details of the package aren't available
[01:15] <damagu> Amaranth: just about anything. I just installed Karmic and my touchpad isn't working properly so I tried to install synaptic touchpad. Also the drivers for my gpu.
[01:15]  * RPG_Master_ is running gnome-shell right now
[01:15] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, and?
[01:15]  * Amaranth hates RPG_Master_ now
[01:15] <damagu> Amaranth: so does that mean I can still install stuff that displays the message?
[01:16] <Amaranth> damagu: As far as I can tell looking at the code
[01:16] <NoelJB> DanaG, "Notify-osd gets backlogged way too easily" and loses messages?
[01:16] <DanaG> no, but it makes them useless.
[01:16] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: :O why :(
[01:16] <damagu> I'm running it on my Macbook Pro 3,1
[01:16] <DanaG> Skip 8 tracks, and it will take 3 or 5 minutes before you see the notification for what track you ended on.
[01:17] <Amaranth> DanaG: Bug in the app
[01:17] <damagu> got wireless OOTB. Touchpad is not responsive to changes in the touchpad settings
[01:17] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, Amaranth is the compiz author!
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> O_O
[01:17] <DanaG> At least it was fine with notification-daemon.... they stacked all at once, and then disappeared all at once.
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> REALLY!?!?
[01:17] <RPG_Master_> O_O
[01:17] <damagu> No hardware drivers display in system > admin > hardware drivers window
[01:17] <damagu> is that normal?
[01:17] <Amaranth> DanaG: When they create a notification they're supposed to hold on to a handle for it and when they want to show a new one see if that one still exists and update it instead
[01:18] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, and Gnome (Shell) is locking compiz out of the future, and compiz doesn't really have the resources to create a 3rd desktop shell (KDE, Gnome, CompizDE).
[01:18] <damagu> Also, is UbuntuOne not working yet?
[01:18] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: I'm the ubuntu maintainer for compiz, not the primary author :P
[01:18] <Amaranth> Although I've written a couple of plugins too
[01:18] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Oh, still pretty awesome :P
[01:19] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So I can imagine your pretty angry at the gnome dudes?
[01:19] <damagu> Amaranth: wow! Thanks for doing what you do then. Compiz is fantastic
[01:19] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Yes and no
[01:19] <Amaranth> The guys working on it are pretty cool but I completely disagree with them :P
[01:20] <TDJACR> Amaranth: have you tried arch?
[01:20] <RPG_Master_> :P
[01:20] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So why can't you port compiz to Gnome 3.0?
[01:20] <Amaranth> TDJACR: Don't see the point
[01:20] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Because gnome-shell replaces metacity _and_ gnome-panel
[01:20] <damagu> Amaranth: are hardware drivers meant to display in the system > admin > hardware drivers window? And what does it mean if there are none displaying?
[01:21] <TDJACR> Amaranth: It's nice.
[01:21] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: So there will be no way to use a different WM while still using Gnome?
[01:21] <TDJACR> Amaranth: That's a dumb gnome decision
[01:21] <Amaranth> damagu: First thought would be it means your card is too new for us to recognize
[01:21] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: right
[01:22] <RPG_Master_> :(
[01:22] <RPG_Master_> >:(
[01:22] <Amaranth> Not without dropping down to gnome-panel
[01:22] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, it is like a model T.  you can have any window manager you want, as long as it is Gnome Shell.
[01:22] <Amaranth> Which means the desktop as it exists today
[01:23] <RPG_Master_> They darn well better port all the best parts of Compiz into Gnome 3.0 then >:(
[01:23] <Amaranth> No, not really
[01:23] <Amaranth> Even as a composited blingfest metacity is still the Cheerios of WMs
[01:23] <damagu> Can someone tell me if it is normal to not have system updates appearing after install? Usually when I install Ubuntu I immediately see updates are required. However, I have never installed a beta version before.
[01:24] <RPG_Master_> I am talking about the nice usability parts of compiz
[01:24] <NoelJB> Amaranth, missing that analogy.
[01:24] <Amaranth> damagu: It sounds like your sources.list is set to only look on the CD
[01:24] <NoelJB> is cheerios a good thing?  I, personally, find them kind of bland, and don't eat them.
[01:24] <RPG_Master_> I want frosted flakes :(
[01:24] <damagu> Amaranth: nah it's a macbook pro 3,1 I had drivers for it in Intrepid
[01:25] <damagu> Amaranth: oh I'll have a look.
[01:25] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Metacity is the "Boring window manager for the adult in you. Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is like Cheerios."
[01:25] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, LOL Raisin Bran, with Fruit Loops or something silly/sillier every once in a while.  But I switch Window Managers less often than cereal.
[01:25] <NoelJB> Amaranth, ok, so it was a reference to Metacity being boring and bland (Cheerios).
[01:25] <drs305> damagu: There have been some problems with update-manager. You can try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to check for new packages.
[01:25] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Right
[01:26] <Amaranth> NoelJB: And gnome-shell continues that tradition, just scaled up to what would be considered bland for composited bling
[01:26] <NoelJB> Amaranth, does it do 3D?
[01:26] <Amaranth> NoelJB: No
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: it does open/close/minimize animations and a combination of scale and expo
[01:27] <RPG_Master_> So nicer then Metacity but not quiet "Pimp" like Compiz? :P
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: And that's it
[01:27] <NoelJB> Amaranth, Ah, so perfect for nouveau ;-)
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Oh, I thought you meant the 3D compiz effect
[01:27] <damagu> Amaranth: I've got Important security updates and recommended updates checked in the sources preferences
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: gnome-shell _requires_ 3D
[01:27] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I meant like the desktop cube.
[01:27] <Amaranth> NoelJB: It seems to have higher requirements than even compiz
[01:27] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Thats not good :(
[01:28] <Amaranth> And since gnome-shell is the panel too guess what happens when you have no 3D support?
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> No DE :(
[01:28] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: More like the current DE
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> Oh
[01:28] <Amaranth> plain gnome-panel and metacity
[01:28] <damagu> Amaranth: I just checked the Pre-released updates and it's sitting stalled on 24 out of 38 updates and then gave this error:
[01:28] <Amaranth> But only because distributors will do it
[01:28] <RPG_Master_> I am starting to feel kinda sad :(
[01:29] <Amaranth> GNOME themselves say you need 3D to use it and if you don't have it try XFCE instead
[01:29] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, well, you're the one running it right now ... how do you like it?
[01:29] <NoelJB> Amaranth, so you either need a Mack truck or a tricycle?
[01:29] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Not getting that reference
[01:30] <RPG_Master_> NoelJB: For being Alpha its pretty nice, I  just want more key shortcuts and window shadows
[01:30] <RPG_Master_> I want to alt-tab :(
[01:30] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: The activities sidebar doesn't annoy you?
[01:30] <NoelJB> Amaranth, massive heavy requirements (Mack Truck/Gnome Shell) or a relatively light and featureless toy (tricycle/XFCE)
[01:30] <Amaranth> alt-tab is coming but not per-window
[01:30] <Amaranth> gnome-shell is doing alt-tab like OS X, per application
[01:30] <Xgates> Theme changing for Gnome is this going to happen under one GUI interface or several? What I mean is I don't see anything for a user to change the login display
[01:31] <damagu> Amaranth: error: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.gpg
[01:31] <Amaranth> Xgates: That's because you can't change the login display
[01:31] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Kinda until I found out you can open the panel with the Windows Key
[01:31] <TDJACR> When is GNOME 3 expected?
[01:31] <TDJACR> And btrfs?
[01:31] <Amaranth> TDJACR: 6 months or so
[01:31] <NoelJB> TDJACR, Ubuntu 10.10
[01:31] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Still undecided
[01:31] <Xgates> Amaranth: when did this happen? Is that a Ubuntu thing or Gnome thing?
[01:31] <NoelJB> Amaranth, as in maybe earlier, or not at all?
[01:32] <Xgates> I thought you could always change your login screen and wallpaper...
[01:32] <NoelJB> I was hoping for preview in 10.4, but figured that 10.10 was safe for possibly deployment.
[01:32] <Amaranth> Xgates: GNOME thing, in other distros it has been true for at least 18 months but we held on to an old version of GDM until now
[01:32] <ryguy> Im on the karmic live cd and when I click "Install ubuntu 9.10" on my desktop, It goes through the installation steps just fine but when it goes to actually install ubuntu, the install program crashes
[01:32] <hggdh> gnome3 is still very unstable, and a lot of gnome apps are still to be converted
[01:32] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Well, we've turned this into a interview with Amaranth channel :P
[01:32] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Maybe not at all, wrt gnome-shell
[01:32] <damagu> Can someone tell me what date 9.10 is to be released?
[01:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, what is Gnome 3 without Gnome-shell?
[01:33] <Amaranth> NoelJB: all the apps
[01:33] <RPG_Master_> damagu: I think the 29th
[01:33] <Xgates> Amaranth: oh so this version of Gnome should allow it? But Ubuntu is using an older version of GDM that won't allow?
[01:33] <Xgates> why do that?
[01:33] <NoelJB> Amaranth, OK, so still some benefit.
[01:33] <Amaranth> Xgates: Other way around
[01:33] <Amaranth> Xgates: We used to use an old version of GDM that allowed it, we finally upgraded
[01:34] <damagu> drs305: I tried running update and upgrade and it is stalled on 58%
[01:34] <Xgates> oh the new version of GDM doesn't allow changes? That seems odd that Gnome would do that...
[01:34] <drs305> damagu: On the update part?
[01:34] <TDJACR> Will it use GTK 3?
[01:34] <Amaranth> Xgates: There is no configuration you can make anyway except for changing the wallpaper, the colors, and whether or not to use the user list
[01:34] <damagu> drs305: actually it then gave me a bunch of errors like this:
[01:34] <damagu> W: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic-proposed/universe/i18n/Translation-en_AU.bz2  Cannot initiate the connection to au.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:388:30bc:cafe::beef). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:388:30bc:cafe::beef 80]
[01:34] <NoelJB> hggdh, I don't know when you got here, but the discussion was a bit about Gnome Shell and the current situation that they won't play with Compiz.
[01:35] <Amaranth> damagu: You have no internet connection on this machine?
[01:35] <Amaranth> damagu: Either that or au.archive.ubuntu.com is dead
[01:35] <damagu> Amaranth: I'm using the machine to chat with you right now
[01:35] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok so you're saying to can make some changes? If so where from? GUI or by hand?
[01:35] <hggdh> NoelJB: thanks -- I just started to pay attention to +1 now ;-)
[01:35] <Xgates> saying to/you.....
[01:35] <ryguy> can anyone help me out?
[01:35] <Amaranth> Xgates: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[01:35] <Amaranth> Xgates: have fun ;)
[01:36] <RPG_Master_> Amaranth: Ya think we all need to jump ship and find a new DE like XCFE or KDE?
[01:36] <Amaranth> damagu: In Software Sources change the Download from line
[01:36] <damagu> Amaranth: do you know how I can check on the au.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:36] <Amaranth> RPG_Master_: Dunno
[01:36] <ryguy> Hello?
[01:36] <NoelJB> hggdh, by the way, I had a very scary thing happen with evolution.  I imported all of my contacts (that was cool), but when I rebooted and looked again the next day, they were ALL GONE.  I will blow away the .evo and .bogo directories, and reimport everything from scratch, but that's a bit nervous making!
[01:36] <damagu> Amaranth: what should I change it to?
[01:37] <Amaranth> damagu: If you choose other it has a button to figure out the best (fastest) mirror automatically
[01:37] <Amaranth> damagu: Which in your case should also find one inside AU so you don't have to worry about bandwidth caps
[01:37] <damagu> Amaranth: sorry I just changed it to "Main Server"
[01:37] <damagu> Amaranth: it seems to be working ok
[01:37] <drs305> damagu: You also have the option of selecting Best Server because the mains are likely to be very busy.
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: this is indeed weird. Please run from the terminal with 'env CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution > evo.log 2>&1'
[01:38] <Amaranth> damagu: It'll probably be a bit slow
[01:38] <NoelJB> hggdh, now or after I reimport?
[01:38] <Xgates> Amaranth: ok so Ubuntu isn't going to allow or make a way for users to make their own changes from a simple GUI? Like under Preference - Appearance and adding in a feature there for users to do it from?
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: then we might be able to find something.
[01:38] <damagu> Amaranth: once it's sorted I will change it to my ISP's unmetered sources
[01:38] <Amaranth> Xgates: Nope because this is probably all going to change in lucid anyway
[01:38] <hggdh> NoelJB: you could try now to see if an error is being reported there. Just do not upload the log, it may contain private data
[01:39] <damagu> Amaranth: the updates appear to be downloading now though. Thanks for that.
[01:39] <virtuald> firefox 3.5 is opening http://cve.mitre.org/data/downloads/allcans.html and chewing up gigs of ram
[01:39] <virtuald> wonderful
[01:39] <damagu> Amaranth: is there a way for me to notify the Australian mirror that it's down?
[01:39] <Amaranth> virtuald: Why would you open that? :)
[01:40] <Amaranth> damagu: I don't know who to tell
[01:40] <virtuald> there are rumors on the intertubes about an ssh vulnerability in the wild
[01:40] <Xgates> sheesh haven't even got Karmic out the door and already underway for a new version LOL
[01:40] <BUGabundo> Xgates: the world never stops
[01:40] <Amaranth> damagu: It's mirror.aarnet.edu.au if you know who that is
[01:40] <tra421> I must be missing something - with gdmsetup not giving an option to disable the start-up drumroll, where to look in 9.10(beta)?
[01:41] <virtuald> and i had a hard time finding the cves
[01:41] <Amaranth> tra421: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[01:41] <Amaranth> tra421: I have no idea where in there it is, if it is even in there
[01:41] <tra421> surely i'm not the only one here who believes their computer should be quiet unless spoken to? :P
[01:42] <Xgates> What every 6 months a new version? hehe
[01:42] <Amaranth> tra421: it's an accessibility thing, the sound mean you can login now (for blind people)
[01:42] <tra421> Amaranth: I understand the sound by default choice, but not the lack of 'TURN THIS OFF IMMEDIATELY' button in the preferences somewhere ;)
[01:42] <pwnguin> Xgates: my assumption is that by naming it during crunch time, everyone's too busy to argue about the name
[01:42] <maco> i think sound settings leat you turn it off though
[01:43] <Amaranth> tra421: There are no settings at all for gdm
[01:43] <tra421> maco: not unless I overlooked it seven times... I shall check again!
[01:43] <Amaranth> maco: No, that's only for your login, not the gdm sound
[01:43] <maco> ohok
[01:43] <tra421> Amaranth: or so it seems
[01:43] <maco> ooo
[01:43] <Amaranth> maco: But that gives an idea on where to look in gconf-editor
[01:43] <maco> *shrug* havent used gnome in a while. dunno what's changed
[01:43] <tra421> I understand why it is (with the whole new GDM thing going on), but I do hope that's one thing planned to be fixed before rc :)
[01:43] <Amaranth> tra421: Nope
[01:44] <tra421> Amaranth: I fear the flood of complaints already :(
[01:44] <Amaranth> tra421: eh
[01:44] <perlsyntax> Can you use apt-get on ubuntu 9.10 to update or not?
[01:45] <maco> yeah sure
[01:45] <BUGabundo> hey maco
[01:45] <damagu> Amaranth: that seems to have sorted out the problem with no drivers displaying in the hardware drivers window. Thanks
[01:45] <perlsyntax> cool thanks Amaranth
[01:46] <tra421> Amaranth: i'm assuming a relative minority of users will end up complaining about it if it's not in some easy dialog somewhere - but i've been wrong in the past (like when I thought the firefox 3 pre-retail inclusion in 8.04 would not be considered a big deal)
[01:46] <damagu> Hey do any of you guys know of a good news hub for free software?
[01:47] <arielCo> Hello, while upgrading to karmic I got a segfault installing "libc6". The whole process aborted, tried to du "sudo dpkg --configure -a", but nothing happened
[01:47] <Amaranth> eep
[01:47] <arielCo> If I try to issue the last command manually, it segfaults on me
[01:47] <Amaranth> arielCo: Does every other command segfault too?
[01:47] <arielCo> Amaranth, yes, "eep" covers it
[01:47] <damagu> Tuxmachines looked alright but the editor recently posted a boycott ubuntu opinion piece and I'd rather not go there anymore
[01:47] <Amaranth> arielCo: You know what libc6 is, right? :)
[01:47] <arielCo> Amaranth: ls does
[01:48] <arielCo> Amaranth: pretty much the every system call
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: ls is a bash built-in
[01:48] <Amaranth> (meaning already running with a working libc6)
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: try apt-get update
[01:48] <arielCo> well, an already opened bash session issues the segfaults
[01:48] <Amaranth> arielCo: That's because dpkg isn't a built-in bash command :P
[01:48] <tra421> /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/settings-manager-plugins/sound/active is promising
[01:49] <arielCo> segfault
[01:49] <Amaranth> arielCo: Your system is hosed
[01:49] <alankila> what CPU was it?
[01:49] <Amaranth> arielCo: You can't even chroot in from a LiveCD to fix that one
[01:49] <arielCo> nice, don't know how the hell it happened. Maybe the installer should tell me when it's actually going to upgrade
[01:49]  * alankila had totally hosed system when trying to upgrade one AMD Duron -based system once
[01:50] <tra421> wouldn't make a lot of sense if the gdm sound was a user-specific setting though *burp*
[01:50] <arielCo> so, it's a fresh install for me?
[01:50] <alankila> the CPU doesn't support SSE but the libc6-i686 package or something such did. Kaboom.
[01:51] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: linux kernel  2.6.32-rc3 has been released
[01:51] <Amaranth> tra421: How could it be user specific? That doesn't even make sense
[01:51] <tra421> Amaranth: indeed :)
[01:51] <arielCo> @alankila: mine's i386 (Core 2 Duo), but methinks it was because it started installing while I was running stuff
[01:51] <tra421> Amaranth: hence my hopes and dreams crashing down a second ago
[01:51] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, which repos?  for jaunty or karmic?
[01:51] <BUGabundo> linus :D
[01:51] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, oh, so lucid, then  :-)
[01:52] <BUGabundo> right
[01:52] <BUGabundo> http://is.gd/3WnFv
[01:52] <arielCo> waah, I'm SO filing a wishlist bug in LP when I'm back!
[01:52] <Amaranth> arielCo: It wasn't because you were doing stuff while it was upgrading
[01:52] <tra421> alright, i'm just going to empty the .ogg file it directs to :(
[01:53] <arielCo> how would I go about gathering info for the forensics?
[01:53] <Amaranth> arielCo: It was an incredibly rare "kill your system" bug in dpkg
[01:53] <Amaranth> arielCo: I don't even know, if you can survive until tomorrow (don't turn the computer off or do anything to it) you could ask one of the other developers
[01:53] <alankila> arielCo: ok. That's not it then.
[01:54] <tra421> I see why that made you eep :)
[01:54] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, when it comes out, i'm going to have to carefully test some things.  We had to work around a bug in 2.6.31, and I believe that the fix will not be a problem when the kernel works again, but I'll need to test modem manager carefully.
[01:54] <Amaranth> arielCo: tomorrow being in about 8 hours
[01:55] <arielCo> developer = names? Yes, I can live without my machine. Pidgin's still up but I don't know if I can do anything useful with it.
[01:55] <arielCo> pretty much nothing runs
[01:56] <arielCo> @amaranth: I'm going out for the night - can you post some names so I can tell them of my predicament?
[01:57] <Amaranth> arielCo: mvo will want to know, I'm sure
[01:57] <arielCo>  I've read that name before
[01:57] <Amaranth> Well, he wrote software-center
[01:57] <arielCo> okay, when I see him tomorrow I'll ask him
[01:57] <Amaranth> and apt, iirc :P
[01:57] <tra431> well then, getting rid of the .ogg symlink seems to 'fix' it :)
[01:58] <tra431> ugly but painless
[01:58] <arielCo> gone now - wish me luck getting in getting some useful info out of this. I'll burn a Karmic CD tomorrow at the office.
[01:58] <Amaranth> tra431: You also could have blanked out the gconf key pointing to it..
[01:58] <richardcavell> How's the beta going, folks?  Is it more bugfree than the alphas?
[01:58] <tra431> Amaranth: that does actually sound like a better idea in retrospect :)
[01:59] <Amaranth> richardcavell: Well one guy just completely broke his system doing the upgrade (needs a full reinstall)
[01:59] <richardcavell> okay
[01:59] <hulio_> Is anyone else having issues reporting bugs @ Launchpad?
[01:59]  * arielCo waves at richardcavell :(
[01:59] <arielCo> gone now
[01:59] <Amaranth> hulio_: Did you read the wiki page it sends you to?
[01:59] <richardcavell> arielCo: sorry to hear that
[01:59] <hulio_> Amaranth, yes it says something is wrong with their server.
[02:00] <tra431> the upgrade was a bit bumpy for me as well, with that apparmor invalid structure thingie - but nothing as bad as the poor segfault guy, luckily
[02:00] <virtuald> yay my firefox survived and didn't eat all my swap, and it was even usable!
[02:00] <Amaranth> hulio_: Ok, not what I thought it was
[02:00] <virtuald> even though it ate 1300MB swap
[02:00] <Amaranth> hulio_: Well launchpad is hosted in the same datacenter as releases.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com so... slow
[02:00] <arielCo> @richardcavell: well, at least my config|profile|.*/ are still there
[02:00] <omac> I got problems when booting ubuntu karmic koala beta 1.
[02:01]  * arielCo leaves
[02:01] <omac> I have a Sony 4GB USB thumb drive.
[02:01] <richardcavell> well at least I can say that Karmic ought to be much better than Jaunty for hardware compatibility
[02:01] <richardcavell> On my MacBook, it's way better
[02:01] <richardcavell> video in particular
[02:02] <tra431> to be honest, karmic has been more crashprone than the other betas i've used in the past (all but 9.04)
[02:02] <tra431> but at the same time it's still so much nicer than 9.04 somehow :)
[02:02] <iflema> the best ever here
[02:02] <omac> I used the usb startup disk creator.  I got past the language menu and entered on the try without installing.  I got an ubuntu icon in the middle for a while(xsplash?) and then it consoled me with a i/o bug on fd0 and another one about /dev/sr0.
[02:03] <hulio_> exit
[02:03] <hulio_> exit
[02:03] <omac> the previous jaunty iso worked with no issues.
[02:04] <omac> I booted off the usb drive on different boxes with the jaunty 9.04 no issues, but karmic beta seems to hang with a bug about fd0 and /dev/sr0.
[02:04] <Volkodav1> This POS Software center hardly works - can not find apps in repos
[02:05] <tra431> oh dear - I just tried to aplay a file without permission - that sound sure woke me up :)
[02:05] <Volkodav1> apt-cache search does
[02:06] <tra431> i'm just glad it's not called a store anymore :)
[02:06] <omac> I tried removing the jaunty partition which made the usb drive empty.  Then went back to the usb startup disk creator.  It created/formatted the new partition so quickly that I'm thinking it did a quick format instead of a thorough low-level format.  Then it installed the karmic beta image on the thumb drive.  Same results, when I boot it gives me the fd0 I/O errors and /dev/sr0 errors after pressing the xsplash icon is displayed for a while.
[02:07] <MTecknology> This is interesting..  1939 root      20   0  438m  31m 6212 S   15  1.6   7:38.66 Xorg
[02:07] <Amaranth> Volkodav1: It'll only find the stuff gnome-app-install would fine
[02:07] <Amaranth> s/fine/find/
[02:07] <Amaranth> Volkodav1: Anything without a GUI still needs synaptic for now
[02:08] <tra431> also happy all those repos are enabled by default these days. the software center would look a bit sad without
[02:09] <xguru> what is the repo from launchpad on updates for kubuntu 9.10
[02:12] <ysf> I'm trying to install (a fresh, vom alternate cd) koala - but everytime he configures the upstart service he reboots. when i launched the recovery mode i could dpkg --configure the remaining packages but it always reboots after upstart. do you have a hint what i can do to continue the install?
[02:14] <virtuald> what's the url to the iso?
[02:14] <virtuald> have you tried the dailies?
[02:14] <ysf> its the 32bit one, mom
[02:14] <virtuald> i'm not your mom
[02:15] <ysf> http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[02:15] <ysf> :)
[02:15] <roffe> I don't want to be politically correct, but it feels a bit strange they chose USA to be the center of one of the space pictures
[02:17] <virtuald> Yeah it should be africa
[02:17] <iflema> m
[02:17] <ysf> I did not try the dailies if you mean a daily build of the iso, just the one above
[02:18] <NoelJB> why not siberia or mongolia?  then no one can complain.
[02:18] <tra431> not siberia! grr
[02:18] <iflema> aus
[02:19] <virtuald> ysf: Ok iso testing is in #ubuntu-testing
[02:19] <ysf> k thx
[02:20] <tra431> I wrote 21 random bash scripts for others today - I deserve a fancy beer.
[02:20] <iflema> what about a cola?
[02:21] <tra431> if they'd make a fancy cola, I'd go for that
[02:21] <iflema> ya can get ubuntu cola...
[02:21] <iflema> not sure if theres a connection
[02:21] <tra431> there is not :)
[02:21] <iflema> true
[02:21] <tra431> not unless Canonical bought that company in the last few months
[02:21] <iflema> i cant rember the label but
[02:22] <tra431> in all fairness, there's open-source beer as well :)
[02:22] <iflema> free as in beer?
[02:22] <tra431> if only
[02:22] <tra431> :(
[02:23] <iflema> O:-)
[02:24] <tra431> that's one area in which i'd be happy to stay guessing for source code as long as it's free :(
[02:28] <MTecknology> Where do I control startup processes?
[02:29] <iflema> ubuntu-trading.com
[02:32] <MTecknology> iflema: was that for me?
[02:32] <SodaPhish> has anyone else noticed that nautilus has been acting like crap in Koala?
[02:32] <NoelJB> SodaPhish, no, actually.
[02:32] <iflema> anyone with a few seconds and free cpu
[02:32] <SodaPhish> lots of disk space randomly lost, but as soon as you sighup nautilus it comes available again.
[02:32] <SodaPhish> iflema, ?
[02:32] <NoelJB> MTecknology, are you looking for the service, start and stop commands?
[02:33] <MTecknology> NoelJB: I want them not loading on startup - bum doesn't seem to work anymore
[02:33] <NoelJB> MTecknology, such as?
[02:33] <SodaPhish> MTecknology, you jsut creat a link in /etc/rc2.d/ to the /etc/init.d/ file
[02:34] <SodaPhish> or whatever run-level you're starting
[02:34] <SodaPhish> and if there's no file in /etc/init.d for your service, you can always cram it in /etc/rc.local
[02:34] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[02:34] <DanaG> hmm, that libc6 thing... would it work to just copy the contents back where they should go, from a livecd?
[02:34] <MTecknology> NoelJB: virtualbox, cups, etc
[02:35] <NoelJB> MTecknology, hmm ... update-rc is still doc'd.  have you looked at it?
[02:35] <NoelJB> man update-rc.d
[02:36] <MTecknology> NoelJB: there's no 'update-rc.d show' ?
[02:36] <NoelJB> MTecknology, ?
[02:37] <MTecknology> to show what's there
[02:38] <sunshinepants> anybody testing with mini 9?
[02:41] <MTecknology> Isn't there a command line tool to manage all run level processes?
[02:41] <MTecknology> I know there is, I forgot it's name
[02:42] <test34> sunshinepants, why dont you with a live cd?
[02:44] <sunshinepants> test34: oh I'm asking because I have a mini 9 on it's way to my house.. I'm really interested in it's performance w compiz.. I don't use many plugins but I do use expo and wobbly..
[02:44] <NoelJB> MTecknology, so update-rc.d cups disable would disable cups at startup
[02:45] <NoelJB> MTecknology, are you looking for the debian equiv to RH's chkconfig?
[02:46] <MTecknology> no sure; I was given an app once for server use
[02:47] <NoelJB> MTecknology, and it would let you list, enable and disable?
[02:47] <MTecknology> it was for ubuntu, it had a grid layout
[02:48] <MTecknology> ya
[02:48] <MTecknology> and show which runlevel each was on
[02:48] <NoelJB> MTecknology, hmmm ... sounds like chkconfig for ubuntu.  not sure what command that is.
[02:48] <NoelJB> MTecknology, well ... there IS a chkconfig package.
[02:50] <NoelJB> MTecknology, try installing it, and see if that's what you want.
[02:50] <MTecknology> it's not
[02:50] <MTecknology> Does this mean it was disabled? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/285827/
[02:51] <Volkodav1> How do I check the package version from terminal ?
[02:51] <NoelJB> MTecknology, that's bizzare.  it looks like it added and then removed the links!
[02:52] <NoelJB> sorry, removed then re-added
[02:53] <NoelJB> MTecknology, try update-rc.d -f cups remove (as per the man page)
[02:53] <Volkodav1> dpkg -s
[02:53] <Volkodav1> I got it
[02:55] <MTecknology> What is console-setup usegood for?
[02:57] <NoelJB> MTecknology, did that command work for you?
[02:57] <MTecknology> NoelJB: yup; thanks
[02:58] <MTecknology> I'm wondering if I need these now - console-setup; dkms_autoinstaller; keyboard-setup; pppd-dns; bootlogd; rc.local
[03:01] <NoelJB> MTecknology, insserv?
[03:02] <MTecknology> hu?
[03:02] <NoelJB> MTecknology, is that the command you were searching for?
[03:02] <NoelJB> man insserv
[03:02] <MTecknology> no
[03:02] <MTecknology> what you gave me will work; I can dig later
[03:03] <MTecknology> I'm hoping removing those is ok, I did it
[03:03] <MTecknology> Time to spend time with my gf
[03:03] <MTecknology> NoelJB: thanks :)
[03:05] <NoelJB> MTecknology, cheers.  fwiw, take a look at sysv-rc-conf ... that's my last guess as to what you saw before.
[03:06] <coz_> hey guys  where can I change  gdm themes?  I see no login window under system/administration
[03:07] <DanaG> coz_:  gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties
[03:07] <DanaG> that'll run the appearance control panel thingy as the gdm user, so it'll change what the login screen shows.
[03:07] <MTecknology> NoelJB: that's exactly it
[03:07] <coz_> DanaG,  I see nothing there for gdm themes
[03:08] <DanaG> There aren't "gdm themes".
[03:08] <DanaG> gdm IS just its own gnome session.
[03:08] <coz_> DanaG, what?  what happened to them?
[03:08] <DanaG> It's a design decision by the gnome developers.
[03:08] <coz_> DanaG,  ah oh  bad idea  .... I have to find another distribution or go kde then
[03:09] <DanaG> It's Gnome -- anything Gnome will have the same GDM.
[03:09] <coz_> the default gdm theme sucks  big time :)
[03:09] <MTecknology> !ondemand
[03:09] <MTecknology> !info ondemand
[03:09] <MTecknology> heh - not a big deal; time to head
[03:09] <coz_> DanaG, right so I guess kde is the way to go then
[03:09] <MTecknology> ttyal
[03:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm?field.searchtext=theme&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[03:10] <DanaG> ugh, that's one heck of a URL.  =þ
[03:14] <damagu> Hey there. Can someone tell me why deskbar is not in the list of applets in Karmic?
[03:15] <damagu> Also I can't find it in the app store
[03:16] <coz_> anyone running kubuntu karmic?
[03:20] <BluesKaj> coz_, kubuntu karmic here
[03:21] <aliendude5300> Hi, quick question -- how do I remove a user from the login menu without deleting the user using deluser?
[03:21] <coz_> BluesKaj,  how is it working for you ?
[03:21] <coz_> BluesKaj,   since themeing gdm has been stopped in gnome I may have to switch
[03:21] <DanaG> coz_: http://live.gnome.org/GDM/NewDesign
[03:22] <BluesKaj> coz , if you're into eyecandy in beta releases , methinks you expect too much :)
[03:22] <coz_> BluesKaj,  not about beta so much  but apparenlty this is permanent in gnome
[03:23] <coz_> and I need complete control over all aspects of themeing
[03:23] <coz_> kde generally allows for that
[03:23] <BluesKaj> coz_, not trying to talk you out of gnome but there will be more to come I'm sure
[03:24] <coz_> BluesKaj,  well I think my many years with gnome has come to an end :(   ah well time to install kde :)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> I hope for kde as well
[03:26] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I will test kde again ...if I have more themeing control then I will switch :)
[03:35] <Xgates> anyone seen the GRUB 2 graphical menu project? --   http://grub.gibibit.com/About
[03:35] <coz_> cool
[03:35] <Xgates> now I know it's ONLY eye-candy, hehe, but it would be nice for Ubuntu to make a cool ubuntu splash like these, or better
[03:35] <coz_> those ar definitly nice images
[03:38] <Xgates> ahhh they talk about it on this Wiki:
[03:38] <Xgates> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[03:38]  * Xgates reads
[03:39] <Daemonik> What is it with Ubuntu 9.04 that I right-click on a folder, click "sharing options", select guest access, but other GNU/Linux machines claim the mount failed, and windows machines think a username and password (guest / guest doesn't work . .) is needed? Ubuntu 8.10 had file sharing working fine!
[03:40] <Xgates> Last replies:
[03:40] <Xgates> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-os-switcher
[03:41] <Xgates> hmm doesn't look good :(
[03:41] <Xgates> maybe Ubuntu will make something then
[03:42] <webbb82> is there anyway in karmic to change the default file manager
[03:43] <mattwj2002> in 9.10 beta....
[03:43] <mattwj2002> how do I do the gnome-shell?
[03:45] <mattwj2002> !gnome-shell
[03:51] <mattwj2002> gnome shell anyone???
[03:52] <Steil> hey
[03:52] <Steil> has anyone here had much success with the karmic moblin remix?
[03:57] <webbb82> some app called apport is hoggin all my cpu i have never seen this befor anyone els know abou this
[03:57] <Amaranth> mattwj2002: If you want gnome-shell you want to run it from the latest git
[03:57] <Amaranth> webbb82: That means something crashed and it is collecting the crash data
[03:57] <Amaranth> apport has been around for a few releases
[03:57] <mattwj2002> I see you can install it in the beta
[03:57] <mattwj2002> :)
[03:58] <webbb82> what is it
[03:59] <dns53> it collects crash dumps and relevent files and allows you to include them in a bug report
[03:59] <dns53> is is active in the beta's and gets dissabled in the normal release
[04:01] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? i failed to showup
[04:02] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup
[04:03] <webbb82> i just changed thunar to my default file manager like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager
[04:03] <webbb82> is there any downside to useing  thunar
[04:05] <dns53> thunar does not have as good support for sshfs, smbfs etc but it works fine as a file manager
[04:11] <cgsawtell> hey
[04:11] <cgsawtell> does anyone have a problem with ibus not working?
[04:17] <Xgates> cannot compile for the target means it can't compile under x64? This is grub2 I'm playing with and I don't get this...
[04:26] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[04:26] <DanaG> check the latest 20091004-11
[04:26] <DanaG> Still a whole lotta' thrashing going on.
[04:29] <vigo> Any one else tried to launch Services with bad results?
[04:31] <DanaG> grr, why is my boot still so slow?
[04:32] <arielCo> Hello. apt (or dpkg) SIGSEGV'ed on me upgrading from Jaunty to Karmic and now libc6 is broken so I can't run anything. Can I just boot a Jaunty CD and tell it to re-install my packages ?
[04:33] <DanaG> hmm, you may need to burn and boot a Karmic cd, and actually COPY the libc6 package's files from the host CD to the target disk.
[04:35] <DanaG> dpkg --listfiles libc6
[04:35] <DanaG> then copy them into the equivalent place on the broken partition.
[04:35] <arielCo> DanaG: won't the Karmic installer do that? I mean, there's info about my configured packages in /var/*/apt/
[04:36] <DanaG> No, if everything segfaults, you won't be able to use the package manager for that partition, since it tries to use that partition's libc6.
[04:36]  * DanaG wonders why his disk thrashes so much at boot.
[04:37] <arielCo> so it ignores its own libs from the LiveCD?
[04:39] <arielCo> brb
[04:39] <DanaG> I believe so... though the last time I tried that sort of thing, it was on Edgy.'
[04:40] <dns53> arielCo boot a live cd, mount your root partition, chroot to the mount point, use apt/dpkg to reinstall libc6
[04:43] <virtuald> is there an ubuntu channel related to pulseaudio or multimedia?
[04:44] <dns53> maybe
[04:44] <vigo> !multimedia
[04:46] <vigo> virtuald: I am pretty sure there are #channels on Freenode for that also, those links are always a good place to start at, is why I asked ubottu to display them.
[04:49] <virtuald> there is no info on irc channels there
[04:51] <Xgates> I'm not the greatest with scripting at all and I'm running a macbook pro 5.5 and the keyboard lights will work by running this cmd:
[04:51] <draconis> is medibuntu dead?
[04:51] <Xgates> echo 150 | sudo tee -a /sys/class/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness
[04:51] <draconis> connecting to packages.medibuntu.com is taking ages
[04:51] <swj> anyone else having problems mounting cd/dvd with blank media? Using karmic beta
[04:51] <gsevil> is there any fix for upstart gdm? start gdm not work
[04:52] <Xgates> BUT I have a script someone showed me that can make it so I can press the F keys to turn them up and down but I really don't know what to do with it, make it work:
[04:52] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/m4844ff15
[04:52] <Xgates> I take it VAR= is some variable I need to make....
[04:52] <Xgates> but not sure what...
[04:52] <vigo> Channel #medibuntu came up on google
[04:52] <draconis> err, packages.medibuntu.org
[04:52] <dns53> Xgates you running   sudo service gdm restart ?
[04:52] <Xgates> F5 dims the key lights down and F6 turns them up
[04:53] <Xgates> dns53: huh, what are you asking?
[04:53] <Xgates> gdm is running for me
[04:53] <dns53> oops wrong person
[04:53] <dns53> gsevil you running   sudo service gdm restart ?
[04:53] <vigo> Xgates: Prefernces>Main Menu, set any macro you want with that.
[04:54] <imachine> draconis, but once you get there it's quick
[04:54] <imachine> draconis, the server seems used a lot, it's release madness :)
[04:54] <Xgates> vigo: honestly I wouldn't have a clue, don't really get what you mean by messing in the Main Menu...
[04:55] <gsevil> dns53: I never use that, but when I boot up, gdm show error and stand at black screen, I must use recovery mode, run gdm manually
[04:55] <Xgates> vigo: did you see the script I posted on pastebin?
[04:55] <draconis> imachine: finally got connected
[04:55] <vigo> Xgates: System>Preferences>Main Menu.no, let me look....
[04:56] <swj> unable to burn dvds using karmic beta because dvd drive will not mount blank media...any solutions?
[04:57] <DanaG> Xgates: does the thing also appear in /sys/class/backlight ?
[04:58] <Xgates> DanaG: sar@MacUbuntu:/sys/class/backlight$ ls
[04:58] <Xgates> mbp_backlight
[04:58] <Xgates> ls
[04:58] <Xgates> actual_brightness  bl_power  brightness  max_brightness  power  subsystem  uevent
[05:01] <vigo> Xgates: cat is to merge or concentrate, maybe the merge messes it up.
[05:01] <Xgates> DanaG: also the screen brightness does nothing, I can see the pic of the sun appear on the upper right and see it scroll up and down when I press the keys but the screen doesn't change brightness either
[05:03] <Xgates> vigo: well if I run the script I get this:
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up: line 3: VAR: command not found
[05:03] <Xgates> ./brightness_up: line 4: VAR: command not found
[05:03]  * shiznebit snuggles comfortably with koala
[05:04] <vigo> Then again, I am very sleepy, brain is not functioning at peak.
[05:04] <shiznebit> Xgates, is this a laptop or desktop
[05:04] <Xgates> 13" macbook pro 5.5
[05:04] <Xgates> and I did everything on the Karmic wiki
[05:05] <Amaranth> Ah, ok, not intel then
[05:05] <Xgates> installed both 185 and 190 nvidia source and glx and all the ppa mods too
[05:05] <Amaranth> MacBooks with Intel graphics can't change the screen brightness when using KMS :/
[05:05] <shiznebit> might be something else in the mac book
[05:05] <Xgates> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic?highlight=%28%28MacBookPro5-5|Karmic%29%29
[05:06] <Xgates> well in the meantime I'm just trying to get this script working:
[05:06] <vigo> Xgates: The 180 did not function?
[05:06] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/m4844ff15
[05:06] <Xgates> but I'm not a coder so I don't know if VAR needs to be changed for a variable I want...
[05:07] <DanaG> hmm, does it call for /bin/sh or /bin/bash ?
[05:07] <Xgates> I thought we only had 185 in here
[05:07] <DanaG> I'm thinking, might it be a bashism?
[05:07] <Xgates> hmm I only tried 185 and 190
[05:07] <Xgates> I guess I could try 180
[05:08] <vigo> I recall looking at that and one said Fixed! 180 worked on that setup, it was from the forums.
[05:08] <Xgates> ok
[05:09]  * Xgates installs 180
[05:09] <vigo> But please look yourself just to make certain.
[05:10] <vigo> I go to sleepy land now, Thank you all and niters.
[05:11] <Xgates> WHY does 180 say it's 185?
[05:11] <Xgates> what's with that?
[05:12] <Xgates> apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[05:12] <Xgates> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:12] <Xgates>   nvidia-185-kernel-source nvidia-glx-185
[05:12] <Xgates> why 185?
[05:12] <cwillu_clone> anyone know a magic alternate way to get a root shell if bash doesn't respond to shift, and the machine gets hung up in xsplash?
[05:15] <NoelJB> Xgates, because 185.36 is what we want to use, and nvidia-180 is being used as a transition to nvidia-185.
[05:16] <Xgates> who's we? not me...
[05:16] <Xgates> I want to use 180 how can I do this?
[05:17] <Xgates> 185 might not be working for me....
[05:17] <Xgates> unless I'm going to have to grab the source from Nvidia
[05:20] <NoelJB> Xgates, as noted by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Karmic?highlight=%28%28MacBookPro5-5|Karmic%29%29#Video%20&%20Effects%20%28Compiz%29 180 is the only you DON'T want.  :-)  you want 185 or 190.
[05:21] <NoelJB> and 185.36 is stable.  190.36 is the current beta.
[05:21] <timboy> Why won't jaunty usb-creator mount 9.10 beta disks? Is there another way to get this onto usb drive?
[05:21] <gsevil> did someone compile kernel in 9.10?
[05:22] <NoelJB> Xgates, the help page has the wrong (old) PPA.  the correct one is https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[05:22] <shiznebit> if i compile the kernel for 9.10 do i have to maintain all the updates myself ?
[05:23] <Xgates> I used 190 from
[05:23] <Xgates> Nvidia Vdpau Team PPA, doesn't work
[05:24] <gsevil> shiznebit:  I think just kernel, I compile kernel since 9.04 and everything update well, just blacklist kernel
[05:24] <NoelJB> Xgates, fine.  so just try the 185.36
[05:24] <malathion> When installing Ubuntu 9.10 beta off the LiveCD, after rebooting I get Grub Error 17. Anyone else?
[05:25]  * Xgates said above earlier ---> <Xgates> hmm I only tried 185 and 190
[05:25] <Xgates> they don't work :)
[05:25] <Xgates> that' why I want to try 180 :)
[05:25] <NoelJB> malathion, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=grub+error+17&aq=0&oq=grub+erro&aqi=g10
[05:26] <gsevil> I always get error when compile kernel from source packages
[05:26] <malathion> NoelJB, thanks for the smartass answer. which one should I click?
[05:28] <NoelJB> malathion, try the first and see.  have you looked?
[05:28] <malathion> Yup
[05:29] <malathion> I probably wouldnt have put in the effort to install xchat on the livecd instead of doing a google search.
[05:30] <NoelJB> malathion, and did you use grub2?  according to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10173/ error 17 is grub1 specific, which is what I thought, too.
[05:30] <malathion> I havent tried grub2 no.
[05:30] <NoelJB> malathion, which grub 1 is installed?  from karmic or older?
[05:30] <malathion> whichever one is installed from the karmic beta livecd
[05:31] <malathion> trying the grub2 instructions now
[05:31] <NoelJB> malathion, I thought that the livecd installed grub2 when you format and install to a clean system.
[05:32] <malathion> NoelJB, Dunno what to tell you, I did the install with format and I got Grub Error 17
[05:34] <timboy> karmic beta on usb is this possible?
[05:34] <malathion> NoelJB, grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.
[05:35] <timboy> gay nm I'll just do it all manually
[05:37] <cwillu_clone> anyone seeing nasty cpu usage under nvidia?
[05:38] <NoelJB> cwillu_, nope.
[05:38] <NoelJB> malathion, look for colin tomorrow, and maybe he can help.
[05:39] <Berzerker> hi, I don't know if this is a problem or not...but I have a feeling my battery info isn't correctly being displayed
[05:39] <cwillu_clone> ah, crap
[05:40] <cwillu_clone> right, this machine only has 384mb of ram :(
[05:43] <malathion> NoelJB, Is there any way I can simply delete the old grub version? I thought formatting the partition would have done that
[05:44] <Berzerker> anyone know how I can set my default terminal to the one that shows the info at the bottom?
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> Berzerker, that's just 'screen'
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> I think it's the default screen profile now
[05:50] <cwillu_clone> or not
[06:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, my booting is still slow.
[06:10] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20091004-11.png
[06:12] <JoeSomebody> hello again, could someone assist me in fixing bootup errors?
[06:12] <JoeSomebody> how do i find a log?
[06:13] <hifi> current karmic (~24h) will boot ok? :)
[06:13] <hifi> well, here goes nothing
[06:13] <JoeSomebody> i cant read the errors fast enough
[06:13] <JoeSomebody> it boots up tho
[06:16] <hifi> works \o/
[06:16] <JoeSomebody> nice, 79 updates since yesterday
[06:17] <gsevil> i got this error when compile kernel from ubuntu source http://paste.ubuntu.com/285940/
[06:18] <hifi> I think my boot just went faster after I installed the latest updates
[06:25] <gsevil> do you know what error is this : dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-headers-2.6.31-11-bfs302 not in control info
[06:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/433730
[06:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/425028
[06:48] <Berzerker> cwillu_, running "Screen" doesn't show it
[06:50] <cwillu_> Berzerker, yes, I said that :p
[06:50] <cwillu_> Berzerker, just google for it, I don't use screen much myself
[06:51] <cwillu_> but it's a screen profile thingy
[07:04] <mdkess> Hi, I'm having some troubles with the Ubuntu beta. A lot of gtk stuff involving the mouse isn't working - for example, in Eclipse I can't click some buttons, and in linux games, when I click the cursor jumps to the lower right corner of the screen - has anyone had similar experiences?
[07:05] <dns53> you got a nvidia card?
[07:05] <mdkess> I do
[07:05] <mdkess> I have the 180 drivers. Is that the problem?
[07:06] <mdkess> Sorry, 185
[07:06] <dns53> it might be, i've been having the gnome panel go transparent every once in a  while
[07:06] <mdkess> Hmm
[07:06] <Berzerker> cwillu_, ok so how do I get back to that, screen doesn't seem to be doing that in karmic
[07:07] <cwillu_> >> Berzerker, just google for it, I don't use screen much myself
[07:07] <Berzerker> cwillu_, did, got nothing
[07:07] <cwillu_> you fail at google then
[07:07] <cwillu_> there
[07:08] <cwillu_> I don't use screen, and it three google searches I settled on "ubuntu screen profile", and the first link is exactly what you're asking about :p
[07:08] <Berzerker> no it's not
[07:08] <Berzerker> I read that already
[07:09] <Berzerker> there we go
[07:09] <Berzerker> I found it
[07:09] <Berzerker> you have to run "byobu"
[07:10] <yang_> does anybody wanna help me with a wierd karmic dns thing?
[07:11] <Berzerker> brb
[07:11] <slacker_nl> morning
[07:11] <cwillu_> !ask
[07:13] <yang_> I have a dns server setup and i can query it by hand i set it up in /etc/resolv.conf as defualt dns and i cant query it by it dosn't work with ping or web browser?
[07:13] <yang_> i can query it*
[07:14] <Berzerker> btw, did they change where to change the login screen? login window option in administration doesn't give me any options to change it
[07:15] <cwillu_> Berzerker, gdm was completely rewritten, and the admin screen hasn't caught up yet :(
[07:15] <cwillu_> /etc/gdm/custom.conf should work to do autologin and such, but I'm not sure if that's even documented anywhere yet
[07:16] <dns53> yang_ had problems a few days ago, if you update it should fix the network manager issue
[07:16] <Berzerker> meh, I'll just live with it then
[07:16] <Berzerker> brb
[07:18] <yang_> dns53: i updated today . that didn't fix it and its not a network manager issue i dont think . i set dns manual w/ /etc/resolv.conf . ty for help tho
[07:20] <yang_> dns53: also i use kde not gnome
[07:20] <dns53> network manager is the engine, it does not matter what gui you use
[07:20] <yang_> dns53: ty for clearing that up.
[07:21] <dns53> all i can say is the update a few days ago fixed it for me  but probably not for everyone
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: so thats why i can resolv it but not ping or access? how do i fix?
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: oh okay. ty for info.
[07:21] <dns53> a workaround is to put something in your /etc/resolv.conf manually
[07:21] <yang_> dns53: i did that and i can host custdomain and get ip
[07:21] <dns53> i have a text file with the ip addresses for opendns
[07:22] <yang_> dns: but i can't ping domain even tho i can look it up with host
[07:22] <Berzerker> ok screwed up my terminal settings, how do I reset them lol
[07:22] <dns53> dig domain?
[07:22] <yang_> yeh
[07:22] <len> Does anyone know what the missing dependency is in the kde4 version of kword?  When I try to launch it I get : "Can not find needed text component, KWord will quit now."  What library is it looking for, and what package do I have to install to get it?
[07:22] <yang_> works
[07:23] <yang_> dns53: yeah that works nicely...
[07:24] <dns53> yang_ so is it the ping program not working?
[07:24] <yang_> dns53: yes and the browser and ssh and everything i use that requires ip to resolve. but ip resolves when try it
[07:25] <Amaranth> Whoa, you can uninstall firefox now
[07:25] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: yeah ubufox was fixed
[07:26] <gnomefreak> as was Firefox we dropped ubufox to recommends
[07:26] <gnomefreak> sorry suggests
[07:26] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: No no, I meant it doesn't rip out half of GNOME anymore
[07:27] <Amaranth> On my other computer I striped out scim, ibus, rhythmbox, firefox, gnome-pilot, and other various things I don't use and installed chromium from the daily ppa and banshee from the daily ppa :)
[07:27] <yang_> dns53:just so you know im looking up IP host ynet.local and dig ynet.local and they always output 10.0.1.100 but ping ynet.local outputs host not found
[07:27] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: since we started depending on xulrunner it shouldnt have. but i have been gone for a little over a week so i havent kept up with it. ive been working on other aspects of mozilla
[07:28] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: I haven't tried it in at least a year
[07:28] <yang_> dns53: and just so you know i can ping ynet.local on the server and from windows box it is a problem w/ Karmic box'
[07:29] <dns53> i don't see how dig works and nothing else does
[07:29] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: than maybe the move to xulrunner stopped that. (dont recall what everything depended on but now all depend on xulrunner-1.9*
[07:30] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: iirc they're all going to move to webkit too
[07:30] <Amaranth> Dunno if we're going to get that in lucid though since it would be a GNOME 3.0 thing
[07:31] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: yep i dont think mozilla is yet though
[07:31] <Amaranth> heh
[07:31] <Amaranth> I meant eventually I'll be able to uninstall xulrunner too
[07:31] <gnomefreak> yep
[07:34] <yang_> dns53: i dont know should i pastebin digs output for you? it is returning ip address
[07:34] <yang_> dns53: the whole setup works on windows box. i just tested on brothers computer
[07:36] <dns53> yang_ well dig is connecting out on udp to the dns server on your network,so why does udp work and none of the other protocols work
[07:37] <yang_> is there some kind of udp service i can use to test if ip resolves for all udp?
[07:39] <dns53> could it be ip6 related?
[07:39] <yang_> dns53: how are you highliting messages sent to me is that name: or @name?
[07:40] <yang_> dns53: no is hole network is ipv4
[07:40] <dns53> any time you mention someone's nick in xchat it hilights your name
[07:40] <dns53> yang_ this will be in red
[07:40] <Amaranth> yang_: So you can dig but can't ping or get to any websites?
[07:41] <yang_> dns53: close.. orange..  yeah i can dig server. i can't ping and konqueror gives domain not online
[07:41] <Amaranth> how about tracepath?
[07:41] <yang_> dns53: ping gives : ping: unknown host ynet.local
[07:41] <Amaranth> You can't ping local systems? o_O
[07:42] <dns53> yeah how can you resolve a host but nothing else works
[07:42] <yang_> dns53: gethostbyname2: Unknown host.
[07:42] <yang_> but host ynet.local gives ynet.local has address 10.0.1.100
[07:43] <Amaranth> yang_: try ping 4.2.2.2
[07:44] <yang_> works
[07:44] <Amaranth> yang_: ok now edit /etc/resolv.conf to have 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' and nothing else
[07:45] <yang_> done
[07:45] <Amaranth> yang_: now ping google.com
[07:45] <yang_> works
[07:45] <Amaranth> now open konq
[07:46] <yang_> okay
[07:46] <Amaranth> yang_: Looks like your DNS server was broken
[07:46] <yang_> Then why does it work with windows client?
[07:46] <yang_> and why can i resolve with host ynet.local 10.0.1.100
[07:47] <dns53> your os caches dns entries, go to somewhere you have not been in a week
[07:47] <Amaranth> dns53: I doubt he has been to 4.2.2.2 (and it doesn't go through DNS to get to that anyway)
[07:47] <yang_> works
[07:48] <yang_> yeh but problem is it works on windows client, it works on server. but not on karmic.
[07:48] <yang_> i can ping resolve and hit server from browser in windows and i can ping on server.
[07:48] <Amaranth> I've seen weird things happen when /etc/hosts is broken
[07:49] <yang_> hmm windows nslookup mention no domain name for server
[07:49] <yang_> is this normal :
[07:49] <yang_> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[07:49] <yang_> 127.0.1.1       yserver.hsd1.ca.comcast.net.    yserver
[07:50] <Amaranth> Also I'm pretty sure avahi "owns" .local
[07:50] <yang_> 127.0.0.1 localhost is nomral but the second line/
[07:50] <Amaranth> It may be trying to look up the IP with avahi
[07:51] <yang_> the browser and ping command?
[07:51] <yang_> is there away to test?
[07:52] <Amaranth> yang_: Sure, try a name other than ynet.local
[07:52] <Amaranth> like just ynet or something
[07:52] <Amaranth> put that in your /etc/hosts and see if you can ping it
[07:53] <Amaranth> Wait, ynet.local has been in your /etc/hosts this whole time, right?
[07:53] <yang_> no in /etc/hosts ther is yserver
[07:54] <yang_> and i know that /etc/host file works i have used entry form Terminal server @ work before.
[07:55] <yang_> so i know that if i add ynet.local to hosts file it will work.
[07:55] <yang_> becuase i have "10.0.1.100        yserver" in hosts
[07:56] <Amaranth> yang_: Why would you expect ynet.local to work without putting it in /etc/hosts?
[07:56] <Amaranth> yang_: Do you have the server broadcasting with avahi?
[07:56] <yang_> i have a dns server setup
[07:56] <Amaranth> ah
[07:57] <Amaranth> well, in that case you'd have to edit the dns server to use something other than .local to test this
[07:57] <Amaranth> and change your /etc/resolv.conf to point at that server again
[07:57] <Amaranth> that dns server, that is
[07:57] <yang_> i can add a zone  and copy zone file and edit
[07:57] <yang_> ynet.test?
[07:58] <Amaranth> sure
[08:01] <yang_> your right
[08:01] <yang_> problem is with .local
[08:02] <yang_> windows is okay with it, but karmic isn't
[08:02] <yang_> must have to do with implentation of protocols for linux?
[08:05] <dns53> was avahi shipped and turned on by default in previous releases?
[08:07] <Amaranth> dns53: it was
[08:07] <Amaranth> dns53: But his server isn't trying to access ynet.local :)
[08:08] <yang_> is that related to protocal implentation or stack in linux?
[08:10] <yang_> related to /etc/nsswitch.conf mdns is higher then dns and hosts.
[08:10] <yang_> ? what if i put mdns secondary to dns?
[08:10] <Amaranth> yang_: that would "fix" it
[08:10] <yang_> not a good way? why "fix"
[08:11] <Amaranth> Well, you risk a local (avahi) domain being masked by DNS that way
[08:11] <Amaranth> But in your case you have the opposite problem right now so as long as you're aware of it there should not be a problem
[08:12] <yang_> so what i dont understand if avahi doesn't resolve why not go to dns?
[08:12] <Amaranth> I'm a bit fuzzy on how those bits work but I suspect it just assumes .local is going to be mdns or nothing
[08:13] <yang_> is there a reason for that other that speed?
[08:14] <yang_> btw thanks for the help
[08:14] <dns53> it might be how avahi works but i am not sure
[08:15] <yang_> not something likely to change ?
[08:15] <dns53> probably not, i think that is how apple defined the protocol
[08:15] <gsevil1> do you know where is gdm start up scrip? there is no gdm in rc*.d
[08:16] <yang_> i also don't think that there are any .local internet sites are there?
[08:16] <dns53> service gdm start, it's an upstart script
[08:16] <Michalxo> hello! anyone know how to turn off sound on gdm login?
[08:16] <gsevil1> dns53: where is the source of that?
[08:17] <yang_> so i mean by puttin dns above mdns i risk only zones on my own server resolving instead of mdns?
[08:17] <dns53> gsevil1  seems to be scripts in /etc/init/
[08:19] <Michalxo> Does anyone know how/where to turn off sound on gdm login?
[08:20] <gsevil1> how can I disable gdm auto startup?
[08:22] <yang_> ty dns53 and Amaranth
[08:22] <yang_> ill go bug avahi people to explain effects of workaround
[08:24] <Wizzir> hi
[08:25] <twinkie_addict> how is the beta so far ?
[08:25] <Wizzir> where can i report a bug in a traditional way?
[08:25] <Michalxo> Launch Pad
[08:25] <Wizzir> i mean fill necessary info in bugzilla? :P
[08:25] <Wizzir> lol, cool
[08:26] <dns53> Wizzir use apport-bug
[08:27] <Wizzir> i wanted to report strange titlebars flickering in kwin, i have screenshot and lspci dumps
[08:28] <Michalxo> Does anyone know how/where to turn off sound on gdm login? :-(
[08:28] <Wizzir> do i really have to bother with those lame applications?
[08:28] <Wizzir> seems that there is no 'report bug ;/
[08:29] <Wizzir> problem is really annoying and exists in all kde4 powered kubuntu releases
[08:29] <dns53> Wizzir apport-bug /usr/bin/kwin
[08:29] <dns53> that should collect info on kwin and start the creation of a bug report
[08:30] <Wizzir> ok
[08:30] <Wizzir> nah, "Couldn't connect to errors database" :D
[08:30] <twinkie_addict> 8.10 will be the long term service version right ?
[08:30] <Amaranth> Michalxo: sudo -u gdm dbus-launch gconf-editor
[08:30] <twinkie_addict> 9.10 oops
[08:30] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: no
[08:30] <dns53> twinkie_addict 10.4 may be
[08:30] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: 10.04 will be
[08:31] <Amaranth> dns53: The sabdfl has spoken, it will be :)
[08:31] <Amaranth> !lucid
[08:31] <Amaranth> We've also changed the entire release schedule based on the fact that it is LTS
[08:31] <dns53> Amaranth you may be right, i thaught they where going to make a decision later in the process
[08:31] <Wizzir> seems that al those "apport-bugs" does not know how to use proxy :/
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: Nope, he announces it in the video
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[08:32] <Michalxo> thanks Amaranth
[08:32] <Amaranth> dns53: only syncing from debian testing, all the freezes are half way through the schedule, _two_ betas, etc
[08:33] <Amaranth> dns53: lucid is going to be like the papercuts project turned up to 11 :)
[08:35] <dns53> Amaranth i probably should get off my but and learn how to package
[08:48] <zniavre_> 3 alphas 2 beta it's the first time the dev will be like that no?
[08:49] <rsk> there has not been 2 betas
[08:49] <rsk> oh.
[08:50] <dns53> the first beta was a few days ago
[08:59] <Amaranth> zniavre_: Yeah, the lucid schedule is pretty radically different
[08:59] <Amaranth> zniavre_: especially considering the fact that we aren't getting a new GNOME release
[08:59] <Amaranth> Ubuntu got popular based on the fact it always had the latest GNOME :)
[08:59] <Amaranth> Heck I started out thinking Ubuntu was a Debian repo for updated GNOME :P
[09:01] <Wizzir> lol
[09:02] <Wizzir> Amaranth: and it is one of the worst kde distro ;)
[09:03] <Amaranth> Wizzir: Everyone says that but no one backs it up with facts
[09:04] <topyli> common myth. actually you get a much worse kde distro very easily by building your kde on a poor distribution
[09:06] <gsevil> is 9.10 change all startup script to /etc/init ? I remove some service from rc*.d but it still start. How can I change boot order with upstart?
[09:17] <twinkie_addict> wow the look of ubuntu has changed alot lol
[09:17] <twinkie_addict> i actualy like the look of 9.10
[09:19] <darthanubis> twinkie_addict, me too
[09:20] <darthanubis> twinkie_addict, try the "breathe" icon set?
[09:20] <twinkie_addict> not yet just updated :) let me see
[09:22] <twinkie_addict> do i need to install them ? i dont see them
[09:23] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:28] <iflema> :P
[09:28] <Steil> hi guys
[09:28] <twinkie_addict> hello
[09:28] <Steil> anyone here run the ubuntu moblin?
[09:29] <Steil> i tried but the browser doesnt work
[09:29] <Steil> and it keeps crashing X
[09:40] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup
[09:56] <lodder> Hi, I'm having an issue when I maximize any window I loose the title bar, any help I can solve It, can't find it on google....
[09:59] <Elone> lodder, i have the same problem sometime when i login ~ i lose title bar and the top panel ~ but reboot do fix that.
[10:00] <u-foka> lodder, you have desktop effects enabled or not?
[10:00] <Elone> anyone tried grsync? it failed to showup >.<
[10:06] <lodder> u-foka: desktop effects enabled
[10:06] <lodder> Elone: tried rebooting it didn't help but going to do it again
[10:07] <u-foka> well I'm not on karmic right now, but with jaunty I experienced some ugly problems with the gtk window decorator at the early times (now these seem to fixed in jaunty)
[10:08] <u-foka> so maybe you should file a bug, and try to use emerald in the meantime
[10:08] <lodder> ah will it's not my call it's for a friend of mine he called the issue
[10:08] <u-foka> what is still buggy in many other ways but sometimes it's more usable
[10:09] <u-foka> sorry but probably we can't tell you an easy solution to fix gtk window decorator, because (how I see) it lacks any configuration except the metacity theme what it using
[10:09] <lodder> ok i'll tell hem
[10:09] <u-foka> maybe you (or your friend) can try to change the metacity theme
[10:10] <u-foka> (again in jaunty i experienced that some themes more buggy than other ones)
[10:10] <lodder> u-foka: ok, i'll tell him what to do
[10:11] <dns53> i've had similar rendering bugs, the gnome panel seems to go transparent and windows do not appear properly
[10:11] <Elone> lodder, try turn off visual effect see if it help ? System -> preference ->appearance
[10:11] <dns53> it might be a gtk compositing bug
[10:11] <lodder> Elone: did it didn't help
[10:12] <lodder> changing themes didn't help
[10:13] <lodder> but netbook remix has been installed and it goes auto to full modus , that might be the issue how can it removed completely
[10:14] <u-foka> hmm
[10:14] <u-foka> yeah, notebook remix has some feature like that
[10:14] <u-foka> i've only seen that once in the past
[10:14] <u-foka> but how I remember
[10:14] <u-foka> it had a panel applet that replaced the window buttons
[10:15] <u-foka> is your friend has that applet in his/her panel?
[10:15] <u-foka> maybe removing that disables this feature??
[10:15] <u-foka> anyone used notebook remix more??
[10:17] <eagles0513875> u-foka: try keep everything on one line
[10:17] <lodder> well he found a programm called maximus thinking it might be the issue
[10:18] <u-foka> eagles0513875, sorry
[10:19] <eagles0513875> u-foka: its ok
[10:20] <u-foka> lodder, well maximus's description (http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/maximus) tells that it is a window manager?!?! if is it, maybe compiz --replace replaces it and gets anything back to normal
[10:22] <gsevil> I'm still stuck on gdm, I delete /etc/init/gdm.conf , start normal, copy gdm.conf to /etc/init then run: service gdm start, gdm start normally, but next reboot, gdm auto start fail. I think this is boot order problem, do you know how to make gdm start up last
[10:22] <lodder> u-foka: ok
[10:24] <lodder> u-foka: well by removing it solved the issue
[10:24] <u-foka> lodder, fine :)
[10:26] <ikonia> !info xtightvncviewer
[10:26] <u-foka> gsevil, "sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove && sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults" does helps you? it will remove every gdm initscript ant then readd the defaults
[10:33] <yofel> good morning folks
[10:35] <eagles0513875> morning yofel
[10:35] <gsevil> u-foka: I already did it, but it still fail, 9.10 change to upstart, so when I add gdm.conf to /etc/init it have its boot order, I want to change that with upstart
[10:35] <u-foka> it was broken immediately after installation, or after what?
[10:36] <u-foka> because I installed the beta
[10:36] <Amaranth> gsevil: gdm starts as soon as it is able
[10:36] <Amaranth> gsevil: Trying to make it start sooner will break because it won't have its requirements met
[10:36] <u-foka> and after I installed any updates but it's fineever
[10:38] <gsevil> Amaranth: that's what i want to do, I want it the last service start
[10:39] <yofel> gsevil: can you check if hal is started after boot? 'initctl list' will tell you
[10:39] <yofel> gsevil: and can you try 'initctl emit filesystem' to make sure that mountall isn't at fault here?
[10:40] <freinhard> bullgard4: you had problems changing virtual desktops on i915?
[10:41] <gsevil> yofel: hal is started, and initctl emit filesystem doesn't show any things
[10:42] <yofel> gsevil: upstart works in the way, that gdm.conf waits for hal to be started first and for mouantall ot emit the filesystem signal, so if gdm doesn't start, try those 2 things
[10:42] <yofel> gsevil: right now, they should indeed do nothing
[10:43] <yofel> gsevil: and don't forget sudo ;)
[10:43] <gsevil> start on (filesystem and started hal) I see this, the problem is gdm can't auto start at boot time, but after boot to login shell, I run : start gdm , it start normally
[10:46] <yofel> gsevil: yes, I want to find out WHY it doesn't start on boot, so if you reboot and gdm doesn't start again, please run the two commands with sudo and tell me if something happens
[10:52] <gsevil> if I let gdm auto start, it hang at black screen, no key work, even change tty, ctrl+alt+del, just hold power button to reset. this is part of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/286073/
[11:03] <gsevil> yofel:  if I let gdm auto start, it hang at black screen, no key work, even change tty, ctrl+alt+del, just hold power button to reset. this is part of my syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/286073/
[11:12] <maxstirner> having a bit of a nightmare on karmic, I got a few workarounds going, but theres some bugs I can't identify accurately. I get X freezes + nautilus hangs (have to kill it upon first launch)
[11:13] <u-foka> maxstirner, is your disk tested ok?
[11:13] <maxstirner> should think so.. ;)
[11:14] <maxstirner> its always worked fine (is old admittedly)
[11:14] <maxstirner> after upgrade now not all too pleased.
[11:14] <maxstirner> theres this from dmesg actually
[11:14] <maxstirner> [    0.109181] pci 0000:02:03.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xffde0000-0xffdeffff]
[11:14] <PiktS> hi, how to check what program uses bufers. (my sys monitos shows 70 megs of bufers , but no external drives are mounted...
[11:14] <maxstirner> that bug seems know actually https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/424142
[11:15] <maxstirner> u-foka: do you think i should just trigger fsck first?
[11:16] <u-foka> maxstirner, I don't know, I only thinks that uncatchable errors came from the hw in many cases ;)
[11:16] <u-foka> and because of you talked about nautilus I think so
[11:17] <maxstirner> nautilus does not open after booting, have to kill it, then it works fine
[11:17] <u-foka> anyway if only first start of nautilus hangs, and then it's fine and stable... it may be a different problem! i'l check that bugreport
[11:18] <maxstirner> u-foka: seems fairly common actually.. perhaps its related?  "also the system seems to be tad unstable, unable to run nexuiz but in the stable version of ubuntu it runs fine."
[11:20] <u-foka> maxstirner, can you find out what pci device this error comes from?
[11:20] <maxstirner> u-foka: certainly, how do i translate the pci address into a device please? ;)
[11:20] <maxstirner> [    0.109181] pci 0000:02:03.0:...
[11:21] <maxstirner> got it i think
[11:22] <maxstirner> 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[11:22] <u-foka> actually I don't know witch number is the bus
[11:22] <maxstirner> I think its gotta be the ethernet card
[11:22] <Amaranth> The bar 6 thing is harmless
[11:22] <u-foka> well then you should unplug the network reboot and see if it helps
[11:22] <maxstirner> i coudl probably just use the wireless as a workaround
[11:22] <u-foka> then we have a starting point :)
[11:23] <Amaranth> maxstirner: jaunty has that same "bug" the kernel just didn't tell you about it
[11:23] <u-foka> i'l be back soon, but now have to go for about ten minutes
[11:23] <twinkie_addict>  how do get full hardware exelleration from my radion x300 ?
[11:23] <maxstirner> u-foka:  very well.. thanks very much
[11:23] <Amaranth> maxstirner: Now in 2.6.31 the kernel tells you about it so people noticed and it'll be fixed in 2.6.32
[11:23] <maxstirner> Amaranth: i didn't use jaunty..
[11:23] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: You have all the acceleration you're going to get out of the box
[11:24] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: We install the only driver that supports your GPU by default
[11:24] <u-foka> Amaranth, it's interesting... sou you think the freezes doesn't related to that error anyway??
[11:24] <twinkie_addict> ah ok
[11:24] <Amaranth> u-foka: Most likely not
[11:24] <twinkie_addict> time for new vidio card i guess lol
[11:24] <Amaranth> u-foka: What everyone seems to not realize is we are trying to make the boot silent
[11:25] <Amaranth> u-foka: So it is quite possible 12 other things happened silently between that message and the freeze
[11:26] <maxstirner> Amaranth: u-foka: Yes, true.. I just find it hard to identify the cause upon hardware freeze.. do i look in dmesg to find out what was shte last thing that happened b/f the crash?
[11:26] <Amaranth> I spent about an hour trying to make someone understand this concept yesterday :/
[11:26] <twinkie_addict> what about an older version of linux with propierty drivers ?
[11:26] <Amaranth> d'oh
[11:26] <u-foka> Amaranth, interesting but you right! and it maxstirner try to boot without the quiet option can we see more?
[11:26] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: You'd have to go all the way back to hardy iirc
[11:26] <cybersplice> Prolific logging = fun.
[11:26] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: But you should be getting at least enough acceleration for compiz and light gaming
[11:27] <twinkie_addict> am but not enough for laneshift and regnum craps after login complaning about drivers
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:28] <twinkie_addict> i get it go fin on xp but i realy hate running it
[11:28] <twinkie_addict> so hardy hmm ill have to see if i can find a download link
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: Well hardy is the last LTS so it still has another 18 months of support for desktop users
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: So it's easy to download from ubuntu.com
[11:29] <C-S-B> karmic is pretty awesome if beta is anything to guy by. Im really struggling to keep myself from installing it.
[11:29] <twinkie_addict> are hardys update servers still active or should i leave the fresh install as is ?
[11:29] <twinkie_addict> karmic is NICE
[11:29] <SodaPhish> ahhh, koala blew up my sound, but not all of it!
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: you can't "upgrade" from karmic to hardy
[11:29] <darkham> kubuntu karmic will have kde 4.3.2?
[11:29] <SodaPhish> I love Karmic, its auesome
[11:29] <Amaranth> twinkie_addict: hardy is 18 months old
[11:30] <arielco> @Amaranth: hey, it's the guy who roasted his Jaunty setup upgrading to Karmic
[11:30] <omac> I just installed the karmic beta on my usb thumb drive.  After getting an error about fd0 I/O error...I found out the PC's BIOS had enabled floppy interfaces for a floppy drive that doesn't exist on this computer.  So I disabled the floppy interfaces and for both floppy A and B I set them to none since before it was set to 1.44MB 3 inch floppy.  Now, when I boot of the usb drive, it takes 1 min 15 secs to see the desktop from booting off the USB.  Cool.
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> !info kde-base
[11:30] <Amaranth> arielco: ah, thought I lost you :)
[11:30] <Amaranth> arielco: mvo says dpkg only segfaults due to memory errors :P
[11:30] <arielco> @Amaranth: as in bad ram?
[11:30] <twinkie_addict> i know that id have to do a fresh install i just mee security update with kernel and xorg  ones
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> !info kdebase-bin
[11:30] <twinkie_addict> with out those updates i mean
[11:31] <Amaranth> arielco: or random cosmic radiation :)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: looks like 4.3.1
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: is there difference between .1 and .2 ?
[11:31] <omac> Beautiful...stuff, but I must admit it needs a bit more tweaking for fan_control.  as it stands the fans are blaring full speed and the pc is noisy as hell.
[11:31] <C-S-B> I really cant wait for karmic but I'm planning to do a fresh install. How bad an idea is it to copy my /etc from jaunty for config reasons?
[11:31] <arielco> @Amaranth: so he's really confident about the code
[11:31] <SodaPhish> no, really, alsa is borked after I dist-upgraded
[11:31] <darkham> ActionParsnip, i hope less bugs..
[11:31] <SodaPhish> anyone have any thoughts?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> darkham: that is worth huntinig for
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> SodaPhish: reinstall or recompile alsa
[11:32] <SodaPhish> ...
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> isnt karmic all about pulse now?
[11:32] <C-S-B> its always been about pulse
[11:32] <SodaPhish> yeah, and pulse is pure crap, so I regraded to ALSA
[11:32] <omac> I highly suggest if you do a fresh install, do it on a fresh hard drive with no jaunty on it.  I heard the new Grub doesn't get installed if it detects the old grub on the hard drive.
[11:32] <C-S-B> and the lack of said pulse working :P
[11:33] <SodaPhish> haha
[11:33] <SodaPhish> truly, if you do many voice apps, pulse is shit
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> !sound | SodaPhish
[11:33] <omac> BTW....sound works with no issues from the USB thumb drive first try.  Congrats!
[11:34] <C-S-B> so anyone tried moving their /etc from one version to another?
[11:34] <SodaPhish> This laptop has always been karmic... and sound worked dandy yesterday
[11:34] <SodaPhish> so... thanks.
[11:34] <omac> I didn't have to touch anything for ALSA.  It's just using pulseaudio if I understand correctly.
[11:34] <C-S-B> cos its going to take hella long to get everything back to how I like it.
[11:35] <SodaPhish> hey, this is odd... running the Sound configurator brings up another dialog that says waiting for sound system
[11:35] <SodaPhish> wth?
[11:36] <SodaPhish> ima reboot.
[11:36] <twinkie_addict> downloading hardy thanks for the advice
[11:36] <SodaPhish> bbl
[11:36] <omac> If you do go back to ALSA, also install jackd.  Very cool....freebirth, zynaddsubfx, fmit, ardour, audacity, lives.
[11:36] <twinkie_addict> it will work till i get a new box
[11:36] <arielco> @mvo: hello. It's the guy Amaranth told you about who trashed his Jaunty libc6 setup trying to upgrade to Karmic. How could I be sure that my RAM failed? I want to help by gathering info for any analysis.
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> arielco: grub has a memtest option, you could run that
[11:39] <yofel> gsevil1: sry, was gone for a while, I can't see anything in the syslog I could help you with, but I remember somebody else already had those gdm respawning lines...
[11:39] <oldude67> grr i hate pulseaudio...have to boot into kde then logout and into lxde before sound will work
[11:39] <arielco> actionparsnip: yup, that's what I'll do as soon as I close this chat. Well, I'll be back if it passes the tests.
[11:40] <yofel> C-S-B: gdm and system service configuration changed much since jaunty, so you can't just c&p /etc over
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: try booting to lxde, run: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*    then press alt+f2   and type: pulseaudio     and hit enter
[11:41] <C-S-B> yofel: cheers
[11:41]  * ActionParsnip thinks lxde rocks hard
[11:42] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, will this be a permanent fix or something ill have to do all the time?
[11:42] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, and yes lxde rocks.
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> oldude67: id say each logon, see what happens
[11:43] <C-S-B> lxde is the desktop of choice on Knoppix if I'm not mistaken. Looked great. :)
[11:44] <C-S-B> how the ubuntu distro with lxde getting along?
[11:44] <oldude67> ActionParsnip, ok ill try next time and see what happens, now is anyone else having issues with programs just stopping in middle of use?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: pretty sweet, the installer is having issues afaik, otherwise its sweeeet
[11:44] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: enough to sway someone from gdm?
[11:44] <oldude67> i havent had any problems with just lxde, issues with programs is with all desktops.
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: depends on the individual
[11:45] <aapzak> I did an upgrade from fresh 9.04 install and lost network, is this a known issue?
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: i think its awesome
[11:45] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: Glad you're having a good time with it.
[11:45] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: anything key that attacts you, or just the lightness?
[11:45] <oldude67> C-S-B, its the only desktop i run now.
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> ive used it a while now, low system impact of the desktop is my favourite
[11:46] <twinkie_addict> lxde is realy cool and with openbox as th wm you cant go wrong
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: i dont think the desktop should use most resources, it should be light to make the apps that you actually want to run have more resources
[11:47] <oldude67> ya kde and gnome was eating my resources up and lagging bad, switched to lxde and havent had a issue.
[11:49] <omac> olddud67...gnome and kde may eat resources, but when you have shitloads of RAM it doesn't matter and everything still runs snappy from my point of view.
[11:50] <omac> Different strokes for different folks.  Vive la difference!
[11:50] <oldude67> omac, ya your right there, difference is in the choice. i just thought if i wanted to have memory issues i would just run windows tho.
[11:51] <aboSamoor> I deleted an iso image but it still occupies the space ! any idea ?
[11:51] <omac> aboSamoor: sync and empty your trash bin.
[11:52] <C-S-B> ActionParsnip: just reading about lxde, it's real nice but I think it would only end up confusing the girlfriend who just got used to gnome
[11:52] <aboSamoor> omac: what do you mean by sync, I deleted it using shift+delete and I checked the trash it is not there
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> C-S-B: true, its different to fluxbox in that it actually has a menu
[11:54] <omac> aboSamoor:  click the reload button in the nautils file manager.
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: is it in trash?
[11:55] <aboSamoor> omac: no change, the computer froze while deleting so I had to restart, now the 4GB iso image is not there but the space is not freed !
[11:55] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: no , it is not in the trash
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: whats the output of: du -h ~/.local/share/Trash
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: is it the size of the iso?
[11:56] <omac> aboSamoor:  you need to do a filesystem check....read about fsck
[11:57] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: the output says no files larger than 140 KB, yeah the 4GB is the size of the iso image
[11:57] <omac> aboSamoor: your filesystem is corrupt...when you boot after a computer freezes, don't press the escape key to skip the filesystem check...let it check your hard drive.
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> !fsck
[11:58] <aboSamoor> omac: it did not ask for fsck, reading fsck manual ....
[11:58] <oldude67> ok be back in a min....reboot
[11:59] <omac> aboSamoor:  fsck will free up any clusters that you have marked as deleted.  One other question?  Are you using ext3?  Say yes :)
[11:59] <twinkie_addict> yes lol
[11:59] <aboSamoor> omac: yeah, I am using ext3
[11:59] <omac> good.
[11:59] <Kano> hi, who is using 9.10 and has 100% load with Xorg when checked with top?
[12:00] <omac> your problem will be fixed assoon as your fsck is done.
[12:00] <omac> kano: Not me :)
[12:00] <omac> kano:You must be running many apps with almost no memory.
[12:01] <Kano> sure on a quad core intel with 4 gb ram
[12:01] <omac> ouch!  Awesome :)
[12:01] <Kano> nothing is running, just booted live mode
[12:01] <omac> the live demo is only set for one cpu.
[12:02] <Kano> it should not use 1 core at 100%, no and never
[12:02] <omac> You have to configure it to use cpu0, cpu1, cpu2, cpu3  or something like that.....smp
[12:02] <Kano> ?
[12:02] <Kano> xorg has to run with 0.x not 100%
[12:02] <omac> Are you using the intel linux or the amd64 linux?
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> ...
[12:03] <Ian_Corne> all not relevant
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> Kano: fully updated?
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> did you try turning compiz on/off?
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> X is using 3.0% atm
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> sometimes peaking to 13-15%
[12:05] <Ian_Corne> when i alt tab between windows
[12:06] <omac> Kano:  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> Kano: have you installed video drivers? Have you by any chance installed the bleeding edge Xorg?
[12:06] <omac> If you see cpu0-4, you're in business.
[12:06] <omac> If you don't, smp is not enable.
[12:07] <Kano> Ian_Corne: daily live
[12:07] <omac> in the kernel boot line:  additional_cpus=3
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> omac: you're saying his X is using 100% because only one core is active?
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> that's just wrong
[12:07] <Kano> omac: the cpus are seen, but it is not normal that X is runnig at 100%
[12:07] <omac> and make sure the bios has smp enabled
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> even with 1 cpu it should not use 100%
[12:07] <Ian_Corne> Kano: daily live as in on the CD?
[12:08] <Kano> i have got the same problem with 2 intel quads, one with nvidia gfx card (without nvidia binary 32+64 bit), one with intel onboard q45 (only 32 bit, 64 bit is ok)
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: yeah i thouht that even 1 core @ whatever speed should be fine
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> try disabeling compiz/installing drivers, I think the cpu does all the work the GPU can't do and that might be the problem
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> i'm on an intel atom and it doesn't use 100%
[12:08] <Kano> Ian_Corne: i boot it via a network, but that should not affect X
[12:09] <Kano> i just want to know if somebody else has this problem
[12:09] <minimec> Hi. I have a regression on my USB-Speakers after the last update. Don't know if this is hal/device-kid related. Can anyone confirm some usb regressions after the last update?
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> Kano: well i don't, not on intel not on nvidia, not on ati
[12:10] <Kano> Ian_Corne: nvidia binary is fine
[12:10] <Kano> but nv is not
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[12:10] <omac> kano: what does your cpuinfo say?
[12:10] <Ian_Corne> yeah i've heard problems with the open drivers
[12:11] <Kano> omac: there is no problem with the cpu at all
[12:12] <omac> what kernel are you using?
[12:12] <omac> kano: uname -a
[12:14] <Kano> omac: the latest, i told you i use the daily live iso images
[12:14] <Kano> no hd install, just live mode
[12:15] <aboSamoor> omac: ActionParsnip fuser -mk, umount, fsck solved the problem thanks very much :)
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> Kano: can you try to change between compiz on and off?
[12:16] <Kano> Ian_Corne: it is impossible that compiz is running with nv
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: awesome
[12:16] <omac> in the live mode, press f6 and in the kernel boot line:  additional_cpus=3
[12:16] <omac> for kano...try this.
[12:17] <Ian_Corne> Kano: can you please check?
[12:17] <omac> do you see all 4 cpus in "cat /proc/cpuinfo"   ?
[12:17] <Kano> omac: the cpus are detected, the Xserver is the problem!
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> Kano: try installing the video driver then, it may help
[12:18] <omac> good then you see cpu0-cpu3 when doing your cat /proc/cpuinfo then?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> Kano: have you tried any bootoptions?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[12:19] <Kano> ActionParsnip: i know how to boot it via pxe, do you think i need extra bootoptions
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> possibly
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> free to try :)
[12:20] <Kano> thats a driver error
[12:20] <Kano> or the xserver itself
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> did you md5 test the iso you used?>
[12:20] <Kano> just want to know if somebody else has the same problem
[12:20] <Kano> ActionParsnip: sure
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> Kano: good
[12:21] <Kano> i run 1 system with nfs+dhcp+tftp server and 2 clients which boot the iso via network
[12:21] <Kano> both clients have got the same problem
[12:22] <Kano> it is usally no kernel problem as i use basically the same kernel on both systems all the day, just with debian as hd install
[12:24] <Kano> and with one core running wild thats fully crap
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> i'd check into boot options, its the control you have over the live session
[12:25] <Kano> which options? x drivers are autodetected and correctly selected
[12:26] <Kano> i just do not think that i am the only one with that problem. well maybe more would be affected with nv, but usually they use nvidia binary
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Kano: acpi off, no dma, no apic
[12:27] <Kano> ActionParsnip: that would disable smp
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> Kano: maybe installing the nvidia drivers in the live environment may help
[12:28] <Kano> ActionParsnip: sure it helps, i told you it does not affect nv binary
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> Kano: could try bleeding edge Xorg.
[12:29] <Kano> which iso
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Kano: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[12:29] <omac> kano: disabled "dim display after x min" in power management settings
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Kano: add that repo, install latest xorg, restart X
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> Kano: not sure what version is in your daily thing, maybe its the same version
[12:31] <Kano> ActionParsnip: today
[12:31] <omac> kano: it has something to do with power management
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> Kano: means nothing, just because its todays doesnt garuntee any version of any package
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> Kano: if the version on that repo is later, you could try it
[12:33] <omac> other distros also have high xserver cpu utilization issues...solved with some tweaks to power management/removing power management.
[12:34] <severb> trying to setup dual monitor support using gnome-display-properties raises this error http://pastebin.com/m5f30c6e9
[12:35] <omac> kano: did you hear that? other distros also have high xserver cpu usage issues...solved with powermanagement tweaks/turning off power management altogether :)
[12:36] <Kano> omac: do you think i will boot my system with acpi=off when that disables smp completely
[12:37] <gajop> are karmic updates working properly? i didn't get a single updated in a couple of days; i used to get 20+ each day previously
[12:37] <omac> kano:   at least try this one:  disable "dim display after x min" in power management settings
[12:37] <yofel> gajop: tried a different mirror?
[12:37] <severb> why is dual monitor support so hard to achieve?
[12:38] <ripps> gajop: there don't tend be updates on weekends
[12:38] <gajop> yofel, no i haven't; was going to do that next
[12:38] <yofel> ripps: I had updates every day so far
[12:38] <omac> kano: then restart your xserver.
[12:38] <gajop> i thought it might have something to do with karmic going  beta?
[12:38] <yofel> gajop: yes, we do get much less updates, but there still are some
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> gajop: try: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:40] <gajop> are translation_en_us sources always supposed to fail?
[12:40] <gajop> ActionParsnip, i did that yesterday and got 0 updates, i changed the mirror back to main server now, think i just got a bunch of updates
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> gajop: funky
[12:41] <Kano> xorg from edgers seems to fix it on nv 64 bit
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Kano: i use it myself, its awesome
[12:42] <Kano> i had to disable one check for tty and use nohup to start the test script
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> Kano: as well as the 190 nvidia driver
[12:42] <Kano> as vt switch is not working
[12:42] <gajop> btw, update from alpha/beta to stable release when it hits in November doesn't need to be explicitly done? like the update to alpha had to be done (update-manager -d)?
[12:43] <severb> Can I please get some help? I can't figure how to make my dual monitor setup working in 9.10
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> gajop: no, you will be using the same repos, just keep updating and you will glide into the rc
[12:45] <shadowhywind> hay all, Just installed Karmic yesterday, and noticed that the search engine icons are missing in firefox (apparently trying to get away from icons in menus) but any way of adding those back?
[12:46] <minimec> severb: Are you using a using a restricted driver like 'fglrx' or 'nvidia-new', or do you use an opensource dirver?
[12:47] <severb> I guess I use the open-source one as no driver is present in System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[12:48] <severb> minimec: It also says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[12:51] <minimec> severb: ok. Go to preferences/display in the menu
[12:51] <severb> minimec: trying to change the settings using gnome-display-properties dies with this exception http://pastebin.com/m5f30c6e9
[12:51] <minimec> severb: Check that 'Mirror screens' box and try to detect Monitors
[12:53] <minimec> severb: Hmmm... I don't know why gnome-display-properties is not starting on your system. Strange.
[12:54] <severb> no, it is starting, but I can't save any changes
[12:55] <severb> only if I sudo gnome-display-properties it works fine, but after I re-login all the changes I made are lost
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> severb: gksudo for gui apps
[12:57] <severb> ActionParsnip: that doesn't solve it
[12:58] <minimec> severb: If you want some Xinerama Option, I guess you need a working xorg.conf, as the Xserver needs to write some changes in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> severb: just an fyi
[12:59] <minimec> severb: Try to create a xorg.conf with sudo Xorg -configure That gives you a xorg.conf.new in your home directory. Copy that one to /etc/X11. Maybe that helps.
[13:00] <severb> minimec: thanks, I'll try that
[13:00] <minimec> severb: You have to rename it to xorg.conf ;)
[13:00] <severb> do I need to stop the X server?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> severb: backup the original first
[13:01] <minimec> severb: Yes, I think you have to stop the xserver. You could also boot in recovery mode.
[13:01] <severb> ok, I'll give it a try right now
[13:02] <severb> /etc/init.d/gdm --stop
[13:02] <severb> i guess this is how I stop the X
[13:02] <severb> right?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I think i may of found an odd bug.. Plug in a flash drive.. it auto mounts, shows up on desktop.. Now you can use 'unmount' or 'eject'  and either will let you safely remove the flash drive.. BUT - if i plug it back in. it dosent get auto mounted  any more. Dmesg shows it.. but it never automounts.
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> severb: no, just change the file then restart X
[13:02] <minimec> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> sudo service gdm stop   (another way that should work)
[13:03] <severb> ActionParsnip: running the command from terminal gives this error
[13:03] <severb> Fatal server error:
[13:03] <severb> Server is already active for display 0
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> severb: loosk like it needs stopping then.
[13:04] <severb> ok
[13:04] <Tarthen> Hey, how can I get 9.04's sound control back?
[13:05] <Tarthen> Karmic's won't let me enable loopback audio, which I quite frankly need
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. all my usb flash drives are not automounting now....
[13:06] <edgy> Hi, I had to switch to gdm, seems a kdm problem again. No shutdown and restart options in kde, is this reported?
[13:07] <Amaranth> Tarthen: build gnome-applets from source yourself, last time I checked
[13:07] <Tarthen> Whaaat
[13:07] <Tarthen> Ugh
[13:07] <Amaranth> Tarthen: What is wrong with the new one?
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  if booting to kde from gdm.. or gnome from kde.. ive noticed that some of the options are not availiable.
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  its been that way for ages.
[13:07] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: Other way around, the options are only available in KDE if he uses GDM :P
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> now thats just weird.
[13:08] <Tarthen> Amaranth: Before, I could go into my sound card and enable loopback audio: ie, my PS3's sound would go in the front and out my speakers
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:08] <Amaranth> Tarthen: ah, now you need alsamixer or padevchooser
[13:08] <Tarthen> Amaranth: The new one has no such setting, and it's a huge downgrade from what it was
[13:08] <Tarthen> I use pulse
[13:09] <Tarthen> I think
[13:09] <Tarthen> heh
[13:09] <Amaranth> Tarthen: If you didn't the new applet wouldn't work at all
[13:09] <Tarthen> Alsamixer doesn't seem to let me do it
[13:10] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[13:10] <Umeaboy> Why does 9.10 start to go back to English when it comes to menues and such?
[13:10] <edgy> Dr_Willis: ok so I need to switch back to kdm, was there a problem in the last couple days?
[13:10] <Umeaboy> I didn't choose this.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> edgy:  ive not been missing kde+gmome lately
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> for the last few releases.. kdm-> gnome and gdm -> kde -  had 'issues' in the options they showed
[13:11] <severb> Ok, so, I changed the xorg.conf file
[13:13] <mercutio22> What would I have to do to install karmic's version of empathy in a jaunty machine?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> mercutio22:  i would look for a empathy ppa repo.
[13:14] <severb> Just to be clear, when I run gnome-display-properties I can see both my monitors listed
[13:14] <mercutio22> Dr_Willis: I found some, but none contained the latest and greatest, with IRC access and such... any clues?
[13:14] <severb> but if I deselect Mirror Screens nothing happens after I relogin
[13:14] <minimec> severb: That is a goog start ;)
[13:14] <peterva> Anyone else having lots of issues with sound in Karmic?
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> mercutio22:  use the source. :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:15] <Umeaboy> peterva: What soundcard and driver are you using?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> severb:  you need to restart the X server (sudo service gdm restart) to get xorg.conf reread normally
[13:16] <edgy> peterva: yes I have issues but it's working
[13:16] <peterva> Umeaboy: Intel 82801DB
[13:16] <severb> Dr_Willis if I save the changes I make in gnome-display-preferences and I restart the application the changes are already gone
[13:16] <Umeaboy> peterva: What driver?
[13:16] <minimec> severb: deselecting the 'mirror' options means that you want to use the Xinerama function. Until now, Xinerama was set directly in xorg.conf. That is probably why you should use gnome-display-properties with sudi rights to give the software access to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:17] <peterva> Umeaboy: sorry, forgot to paste :) -> snd-intel8x0
[13:17] <mercutio22> Dr_Willis: yeah, I will do that then
[13:17] <peterva> it shows up in lspci, but not in my sound preferences
[13:18] <Umeaboy> peterva: Tried changing to another driver in the list?
[13:18] <severb> minimec: yes, it makes sense, but I can't make the changes permanent
[13:19] <severb> as soon as I restart the config application all the changes are gone, like it can't change the xorg.conf file for whatever reason
[13:20] <severb> I also get a message saying Would you like Screen Resolution to set the virtual resolution for you? (Recommended)
[13:20] <peterva> Umeaboy: which list? :)
[13:20] <Umeaboy> peterva: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=Intel+82801DB&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packa
[13:20] <Umeaboy> ge=
[13:20] <Kano> it seems updating the nv driver alone is enough
[13:21] <Umeaboy> There are all the related bugs to Intel 82801DB
[13:21] <Kano> for the nv 100% issue
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> Kano: nice
[13:21] <arielco> @amaranth, mvo: I'm back from testing my RAM - it's fine
[13:21] <Kano> should be updated in karmic too
[13:21] <yofel> Kano: file a bug for nv and tell them that the newer driver works fine
[13:23] <yofel> Kano: and please use 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-nv' from the commandline or the run dialog to do that
[13:23] <mvo> arielco: do you have something in /var/crash ?
[13:24] <arielco> Um, I'd have to boot from the livecd to check that. What should I look for?
[13:24] <arielco> @mvo: right now I'm running Pidgin from Windows
[13:25] <edgy> sirs, how can I assign Fn+F3 for locking the screen instead of the default Ctrl+Alt+L, I tried but it didn't work
[13:25] <BluesKaj> pidgin is cross platform ?
[13:25] <rsk> Yes.
[13:25] <arielco> @blueskaj: yup, it is
[13:26] <BluesKaj> never used it so ...
[13:26] <arielco> @blueskaj: http://www.pidgin.im
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: yeah man its awesome
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut \edgy
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, how ? :)
[13:26] <edgy> actually I want both of them to work
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: same interface on linux and Windows
[13:26] <mvo> arielco: hm, /var/crash should contain something that has dpkg in the name
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut | edgy
[13:26] <edgy> ActionParsnip: yes I changed it from there but it didn't work
[13:26] <yofel> ActionParsnip: I like it too, but since it has rather bad jabber support I have to use psi
[13:26] <minimec> severb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286152/ This is a xorg.conf with Xinerama... Maybe try to adapt your xorg.conf with these Xinerama settings.
[13:27] <arielco> @mvo: Ok, gotta go now - I'll check when I get back from the cotton fields ;)
[13:27] <veovis__> On my system, the live cd lets me use my restricted drivers for my wireless card, but I get "no propreitary drivers in use on this system.
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> yofel: i use carrier which is a fork, you can email the devs for requested functionality and bugs
[13:27] <severb> minimec: I suck at hacking xorg.conf
[13:27] <veovis__> After install sorry for linebreak
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, i tried kde for windows but the apps were restricted and crashy
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does the shortcut set properly in the gui?
[13:28] <yofel> ActionParsnip: do you have the link at hand?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: sounds like a collision of mess
[13:28] <minimec> severb: Yeah. I don't like that too ;)
[13:28] <edgy> ActionParsnip: when I press the Fn+F3 it's set to screensaver in the shortcut, don't know where is the name came from though
[13:28] <edgy> ActionParsnip: never tried keytouch before but I will do
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> yofel: http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/    if you are 64bit you will need to compile
[13:29] <yofel> ActionParsnip: ok, thx
[13:29] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I set it in kde component "Run Command Interface" btw
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does Fn create an event in xev?
[13:33] <severb> minimec: thanks anyway. I think I'll install an older version of Ubuntu and maybe try again 9.10 after a few months maybe it will just work
[13:33] <edgy> ActionParsnip: forgive me I need to go for 10 mins and come back ...
[13:33] <minimec> severb: can you give me the output of lspci | grep VGA
[13:33] <thiebaude> compiz.real crashes after startup
[13:34] <oldude67> well update manager crashes...but life is good..:D
[13:34] <severb> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[13:34] <thiebaude> and i dont even use compiz anymore
[13:35] <minimec> severb: ok.  now can you paste.ubuntu.com the xorg.conf.new you created?
[13:35] <severb> sure
[13:36] <severb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/286159/
[13:37] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[13:37] <minimec> severb: thx. I gonna have a look at that.
[13:37] <severb> minimec: great, thanks a lot
[13:39] <minimec> severb: and the 'mirror option' works, but not Xnerama. Is that correct?
[13:40] <severb> exactly
[13:41] <severb> one of the monitor is the laptop display and the other one an old LG CRT
[13:41] <minimec> severb: the xorg.new file is configured for one monitor only, as I see in your pastebin.
[13:43] <severb> hmmm... don't know why
[13:43] <phako> anyone else experiencing a unpleasant "click" before any audio access on karmic?
[13:43] <phako> with or without pulseaudio
[13:44] <oldude67> phako, my pulseaudio is fubarred i cant get it to work right so dont feel alone.
[13:44] <thiebaude> no but i trying to start gparted and ask for my password and i keep giving it and it says incorrect
[13:44] <arand> phako; I think I have that on startup, I don't find it particulary unpleasant though
[13:44] <phako> oldude67, no. I explicitly kill pa cause I need exclusive access to the device
[13:45] <Kano> hmm it is not directly the driver
[13:45] <Kano> something else must be there
[13:45] <Kano> when i do gdm restart xorg usage is low too
[13:46] <phako> ah, seems like bug 381201
[13:46] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I now tried xev and Fn doens't generate any even but Fn+F3 does
[13:50] <minimec> severb: Are you with me? ;)
[13:50] <severb> I'm here
[13:50] <severb> reading man xorg.conf
[13:51] <minimec> severb: have a look at that http://paste.ubuntu.com/286170/
[13:51] <Boondoklife> if we install the beta right now, and simply do the upgrades, will it be the same as installing the final release?
[13:52] <rsk> Boondoklife: no you won't have ext4
[13:52] <minimec> severb: OUps there is an error...
[13:53] <Boondoklife> rsk: ok so to have ext4 i have to wait for the final release?
[13:53] <rsk> no you have to install, not upgrade
[13:53] <severb> :-D
[13:54] <Boondoklife> rsk: I was gonna do a fresh install of the beta now, and then just keep upto date from there.
[13:54] <rsk> right the same then
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> edgy: does F3 on its own make a different code to Fn+F3?
[13:54] <minimec> severb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286175/ Try to use that as /etc/X11/xorg.conf If it doesn't work, just delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[13:54] <Boondoklife> rsk: thanks that is what I thought, but always better to ask =)
[13:55] <severb> you forgot xinerama support first time, right? :-)
[13:55] <minimec> severb: exactly ;)
[13:56] <severb> ok, I'll give it a try
[13:56] <severb> brb
[13:56] <FFEMTcJ> how can I install non-free-codecs in 9.10? i keep getting solutions with a -19000 score
[13:57] <edgy> ActionParsnip: first sorry its not F3, it's F6. F6 alone generates an F6 code but with Fn it generates XF86ScreenSaver
[13:57] <cybersplice> FFEMTcJ: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> edgy: ahhh thats very interesting
[13:58] <edgy> ActionParsnip: why is it interesting and make those codes like XF86ScreenSaver
[13:58] <minimec> FFEMTcJ: medibuntu
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> edgy: well the Fn key is actually doing stuff, sometimes they dont, i kinda expected both fn+f3 and f3 on its own to be the same
[14:00] <oldude67> great and now the screensavers are fubarred too...yeah...what else can we have go wrong today.
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> i think i found my problem.. i installed the jaunty medibuntu repo
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> copy paste sucks sometimes
[14:00] <minimec> FFEMTcJ: ;)
[14:00] <edgy> ActionParsnip: does it work for you if you tried it in karmic?
[14:00] <FFEMTcJ> minimec: once you said medibuntu, i was thinking.. i already did that... then i thought about it a little more
[14:02] <edgy> ActionParsnip: btw I am trying it from kde, let me logout and try it from gnome
[14:03] <Rockt> hi, I'm having problems with the beta, my cdrom does not spin down. mounted or not.
[14:03] <Rockt> anybody seen this?
[14:04] <oldude67> great, i guess one of the new updates didnt install xscreensaver so it wont run.well it least it isnt a total fubar.
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> edgy: i dont have any Fn buttons to press anwhere
[14:06] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Are you using a FrogPad?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: frogpad?
[14:06] <deepjoy> http://www.frogpad.com/
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> deepjoy: cybersplice: wow thats weird, but cool weird
[14:08] <cybersplice> Yeh. I had a bad injury at one point and almost had to buy one.
[14:08] <cybersplice> You said no Fn keys, and it popped into my head.
[14:09] <phako> eh
[14:09] <phako> why does totem modify my screen settings?!
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: i just use a ye olde 102 keyboard thing, no media keys, nothing. Just the keys you know and love
[14:11] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html
[14:11] <cybersplice> I still have an IBM clicky brick. Could use it as a mace from horseback.
[14:12] <severb> minimec: I had no luck buddy
[14:12] <severb> and grub won't let me select a failsafe boot
[14:12] <dooglus> hi people.  can I turn on logging in the IM client?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: depends on the client, pidgin has it
[14:13] <thiebaude> dooglus, which IM client?
[14:13] <minimec> severb: so what do you get after boot? Just a black screen or that x recovery tool?
[14:13] <dooglus> thiebaude: empathy I think
[14:14] <cybersplice> deepjoy: seen these? http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjLIZKAHQI&feature=fvw
[14:14] <dooglus> thiebaude: the one that came with ubuntu+1
[14:14] <thiebaude> dooglus, im not sure i dont use it
[14:14] <dooglus> you use pidgin?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: customisable full colour key buttons
[14:14] <thiebaude> xchat
[14:14] <severb> well, after boot it keeps flickering, I can't switch using ctrl alt f1 to a terminal to stop gdm from starting
[14:14] <dooglus> xchat can do IM?
[14:14] <thiebaude> sometimes pidgin
[14:14] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Yes, i've seen the little buggers. My incredibly wealthy friend claims to have one, but i haven't seen it yet.
[14:15] <thiebaude> dooglus, i think its just irc
[14:15] <dooglus> I just installed the 9.10 beta - it took less than 5 minutes.  that's astonishing
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: very OTT, maximum peacocking though :D
[14:15] <cybersplice> Maximum volume yields maximum peacocks!
[14:15] <cybersplice> I hate him. He has a sportscar.
[14:15] <cybersplice> I have... no car.
[14:15] <thiebaude> dooglus, my 9.04 install from live cd took 12 min
[14:16] <dooglus> thiebaude: I had previously made a bootable USB key with it on - I guess reading USB key is quicker than CD, but don't know.  I just didn't want to have to waste a blank CD
[14:16] <yofel> dooglus: you can do IM in xchat with bitlbee
[14:17] <dooglus> yofel: ah, right...  I think I'll stick with pidgin.  thanks
[14:17] <dooglus> what's the recommended way to install the flash player?
[14:17] <dooglus> !flash
[14:17] <thiebaude> dooglus, i do it through synaptic
[14:17] <deepjoy> cybersplice: no I hadn't I have not used anything but regular laptop keyboards for years now, came upon frogpad reading digg I think
[14:17] <thiebaude> adobe-flashplugin
[14:17] <minimec> severb: It keeps flickering... Hmmm. That means, that there are no major errors in the xorg.conf syntax, as the Xserver revcognizes it as correct xorg.conf.
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: if you run 64bit could use the alpha 64bit flash plugin instead
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> runs great here
[14:18] <minimec> severb: If the xorg.conf has some errors, you would have the X recovery tool, I guess.
[14:18] <severb> minimec: you're right
[14:18] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, i have a processor that does 32 or 64bit can i use 64bit flash?
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: it depends on the arch of your ubuntu, most 64bit CPUs can run a 32bit OS
[14:19] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, oh, ok thanks
[14:19] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, im using 32bit 9.10
[14:20] <minimec> severb: We could add Section "DRI"... http://paste.ubuntu.com/286191/
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: then you can use the 32bit plugin
[14:20] <cwillu_at_work> anybody know any good tricks to get grub to notice that my shift key is down?
[14:20] <thiebaude> cool
[14:20] <minimec> severb: See at the end... Section "DRI"
[14:21] <severb> minimec: but I have no way of editing xorg.conf. I'm currently using another machine for IRC
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> thiebaude: i use the alpha 64bit plugin and also have native 64bit jave via manual install, no repositories were used
[14:22] <severb> because the grub doesn't let me pick a failsafe boot
[14:22] <minimec> severb: You can always use a live CD to edit an existing Ubuntu installation.
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> severb, hold shift down before grub comes up
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> severb: boot to live cd, mount te partition and edit it there
[14:22] <minimec> severb: Why doesn't it boot in recovery mode?
[14:22] <severb> minimec: thanks for the tip :-)
[14:22] <dooglus> heh - seems the 5 minute install was nothing compared to the "Need to get 248MB of archives" I just found when checking it's up to date...
[14:22] <severb> minimec: it justs boots without showing the grub menu, I don't know...
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> dooglus, that's pretty typical of the days following a beta or release candidate :p
[14:23]  * cwillu_at_work repeats himself
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> severb, hold shift down before grub comes up
[14:23] <dooglus> cwillu_at_work: I suppose so - it's my fault for not waiting for the final release
[14:23] <minimec> severb: Press and hold the 'esc' key while starting the machine
[14:23]  * cwillu_at_work doesn't want to repeat himself again :p
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> minimec, it's not escape anymore
[14:23] <FFEMTcJ> ok.. im trying to make my two screens twinview using nvidia-settings  - it keeps failing to do it saying it cant parse x.org when i try to hit save... any ideas?
[14:23] <cwillu_at_work> unless they left that as a fallback
[14:23] <minimec> cwillu_at_work: OUps... What is it then?
[14:23] <severb> pressing shift works
[14:24] <severb> thanks!
[14:24] <dooglus> oh, one thing that puzzled me - empathy is offering to spell check in english or turkish.  why turkish?  I installed ubuntu telling it I was in england, didn't mention turkey at all
[14:24] <JanC> left shift IIRC
[14:24] <minimec> severb: ok ;)
[14:24]  * cwillu_at_work SAID he DIDN"T want to REPEAT himself again :p
[14:24] <yofel> *sigh* karmic boot is so broken... rebooted my other pc and boot just stopped after routine fsck (without running it it seems)...
[14:24] <minimec> cwillu_at_work: Thx. Seems to bee shift now.
[14:24] <cwillu_at_work> yes, I think I said that three times :p
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: use localpurge maybe to get rid
[14:25] <dooglus> karmic comes with gcc by default?
[14:26] <severb> ok, so, when I sudo gdm start
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[14:26] <severb> I get unable to find users: no seat-id found
[14:27] <severb> GdmDisplay: display lasted 2.3 seconds repeated 6 times
[14:27] <Amaranth> dooglus: It comes with enough of a build system to compile kernel modules but not regular binaries
[14:27] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I know - but I just installed 9.10 beta onto a new PC and it auto-installed gcc
[14:27] <severb> mximum number of x display failures reached
[14:27] <severb> check X server log for errors
[14:27] <cwillu_at_work> severb, I get similar brokenness here, there's...  broken stuff right now :p
[14:27] <Amaranth> dooglus: This has been the case for some time
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: then its a dependancy of something you installed
[14:28] <severb> how can I check X log?
[14:28] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: No, read my lines too :)
[14:28] <yofel> severb: the X log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:28] <minimec> severb: nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:28] <dooglus> Amaranth: I just built a regular binary without needing to install anything
[14:28] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I've installed absolutely nothing - just the default stuff
[14:29]  * cybersplice is upgrading another production machine to Karmic... ooer!
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: looks like its normal according to Amaranth
[14:29] <severb> I think the log it's clean, I can't see any errors in there
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: brave
[14:29] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Stupid, more like! :D
[14:30] <Amaranth> dooglus: so that part may be a little different...
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: probably a bit from olomn A, a bit from colomn B
[14:30] <cybersplice> hehe
[14:30] <severb> only Leaving Restore TV, ddxSigGiveUp: closing log
[14:30] <FFEMTcJ> anyone?
[14:31] <Amaranth> FFEMTcJ: the problem is you probably have no xorg.conf
[14:31] <thiebaude> grturner, i see your in NC also
[14:32] <^robertj> ok, I am a sad puppy, gnome-session is hanging half-way through without a whole lot of hits
[14:32] <^robertj> hints
[14:32] <^robertj> I can log an to xterm session, run metacity & gnome-panel by hand and get mostly up and going
[14:32] <FFEMTcJ> Amaranth: why would i not have an xorg.conf.. how should i create one?
[14:32] <Amaranth> ^robertj: so log in to an xterm session and run gnome-session :)
[14:32] <^robertj> last error is ** (nm-applet:3543): DEBUG: applet_common_device_state_changed
[14:32] <^robertj> Failure: Module initalization failed
[14:33] <^robertj> but who cares, that shouldn't halt gnome-session right?
[14:33] <minimec> severb: So that modified xorg.conf is basicly correct. What if you '#' comment out HorizSync and VertRefresh on "MOnitor0"
[14:33] <^robertj> I get the wallpaper but gnome-panel never comes up when I run gnome-session alone
[14:33] <Amaranth> FFEMTcJ: Dunno, I guess you should have to enable the nvidia driver to begin with
[14:33] <Amaranth> Otherwise we don't have them anymore, I'm currently running without one
[14:34] <severb> minimec: ok, let me try that
[14:34] <FFEMTcJ> would there be another way to setup twinview for my two monitors?
[14:34] <Amaranth> by hand editing an xorg.conf
[14:35] <severb> minimec: same as before
[14:35] <minimec> severb: Did you add Section "DRI"?
[14:36] <severb> yes I did
[14:36] <^robertj> Amaranth, any other ideas?
[14:37] <jsalisbury> My upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic has not made progress in several days.  The console has a repeating message: "100% [Working]" Has anyone else run into this?
[14:37] <choman1> hello
[14:38] <MTecknology> Why can't I use gnome-power-manager to hibernat/suspend anymore?
[14:38] <minimec> severb: Well.. I guess you rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf as something like xorg.conf.xinerama, make sure that there is no xorg.conf anymore (sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and reboot. I cannot help you further I guess.
[14:38] <cybersplice> jsalisbury: I haven't seen it yet, and i've upgraded quite a few machines now.
[14:38] <yofel> MTecknology: that was moved to the fast uses switch applet afaik (the thing that displays your name on the panel)
[14:39] <MTecknology> yofel: .... why?
[14:39] <Amaranth> ^robertj: what filesystem do you use for $HOME?
[14:39] <MTecknology> I don't use that applet :(
[14:39] <severb> minimec: thanks a lot anyway, I guess 9.10 it's not ready yet for me. This is also a good oportunity to try fedora
[14:39] <jsalisbury> cybersplice:  Hmm, maybe I'll just try to restart it
[14:39] <yofel> MTecknology: if you don't use that applet you should be able to find them in the main menu
[14:39] <MTecknology> yofel: I don't use gnome
[14:39] <yofel> MTecknology: oh, xfce?
[14:39] <cybersplice> jsalisbury: Worst that can happen is you reinstall.
[14:40] <MTecknology> yofel: openbox
[14:40] <cybersplice> Something must have frozen.
[14:40] <yofel> MTecknology: hm, never used that either, so i don't know, sry
[14:40] <edgy> ActionParsnip: hi, sorry for latency but many problems
[14:40] <edgy> ActionParsnip: in gnome Fn+F6 works out of the box
[14:40] <jsalisbury> cybersplice:  thanks.  I guess I can do a fresh install from an iso.  I just wanted to test the upgrade procedure.
[14:40] <edgy> ActionParsnip: i have done nothing to set it ;)
[14:40] <minimec> severb: Well maybe a bleeding edge fedora is worth a try ;) I am more the Debian/Ubuntu user.
[14:41] <yofel> MTecknology: as to why they moved it: no idea. I got fed up with gnome and switched to kde a while ago
[14:41] <edgy> ActionParsnip: actually since the code is correct, this is what expected, right?
[14:41] <minimec> severb: You could try our modified xorg.conf in fedora :)
[14:41] <^robertj> any hints for gnome-settings-daemon could not acquire name?
[14:41] <MTecknology> yofel: this royally sucks... Not sure what I'm supposed to do now
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> edgy: as long as the shortcut gets assigned in the shortcut manager then this is fine
[14:42] <yofel> MTecknology: wasn't there at least something like pm-suspend for the command line?
[14:42] <severb> minimec: I hope I can use the graphical configuration tools they provide to change the xorg.config :-)
[14:42] <MTecknology> yofel: hrm... I'll try that in about 10min
[14:42] <MTecknology> thanks
[14:43] <edgy> ActionParsnip: no, I haven't assigned it in shortcut manager
[14:43] <choman1> anyone heard of any Dell D600 freezing issues?
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> edgy: thats where id head
[14:43] <FFEMTcJ> Amaranth: hand editing is beyond me.. i do have an xorg.conf tho
[14:43] <edgy> ActionParsnip: sorry what do you mean by id head?
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> i'd head to the keyboard shortcuts bit and set the shortcut there
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> edgy: if you use compiz i'm not sure if it will capture it for its own
[14:46] <aprilhare> hey
[14:46] <aprilhare> running update-manage - its threatening to remove libgd2-noxpm and libqt4-core - is this good or bad?
[14:46] <aprilhare> update-manager even
[14:46] <edgy> ActionParsnip: no, I am not using compiz. In preferences -> keyboard lock screen is assigned to ctrl+Alt+L, nothing regarding Fn+F6 and it still works
[14:46] <yofel> aprilhare: libgd2-noxpm yes, libqt4-core no
[14:47] <Amaranth> aprilhare: run aptitude dist-upgrade instead, see if it does it better
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> edgy: if it works, dont fix it ;)
[14:48] <aprilhare> still gunna remove libqt4-core
[14:48] <aprilhare> libqt4-core: Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4.5.2-0ubuntu5) but 4.5.2-0ubuntu6 is to be installed.
[14:48] <aprilhare> ?
[14:49] <yofel> aprilhare: sounds like a new version of libqt4 was uploaded but not all packages are built yes, wait an hour or so and try again
[14:49] <yofel> s/yes/yet
[14:49] <Amaranth> FFEMTcJ: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1273328&highlight=nvidia-settings may be helpful
[14:49] <^robertj> what telsl gnome-session that yes I do want it to start gnome-panel?
[14:49] <aprilhare> yofel: it's been days. i haven't gone ahead
[14:50] <Amaranth> ^robertj: random: try removing ~/.pulse and then starting gnome-session
[14:50] <yofel> aprilhare: libqt4-core is being held back for days?
[14:50] <yofel> aprilhare: libgd2-noxpm was updated days ok indeed though
[14:50] <^robertj> Amaranth, no change
[14:50] <Amaranth> yofel: figured out the amarok thing, btw
[14:51] <^robertj> other than volume-control-appelt is now unhappy
[14:51] <yofel> Amaranth: hm? The packages should be built now ;)
[14:51] <Amaranth> yofel: the amd64 builders were ahead of the x86 ones and arch: all packages are always built on x86
[14:51] <aprilhare> yofel: yes
[14:51] <Amaranth> yofel: so you had all the bits for amd64 but were actually waiting on x86 to catch up
[14:51] <yofel> Amaranth: ah, so -common packages are alyways build on i386? Didn't know that
[14:51] <aprilhare> i'm on amd64
[14:52] <yofel> Amaranth: s/-common/arch-indep
[14:52] <Amaranth> yofel: right :)
[14:52] <nexon> Coul anyone of you make java and flash running?
[14:52] <yofel> ah, that explains some things I've been wondering about ^^
[14:53] <^robertj> brb
[14:53] <aprilhare> nexon: yes to flash. java is a little buggy but works
[14:53] <Amaranth> aprilhare: over way around for me :)
[14:53] <nexon> aprilhare: How did you do?
[14:53] <Amaranth> s/over/other/
[14:53] <aprilhare> then again, i think i'm falling back on a hand install of amd64 java
[14:53] <yofel> nexon: both work fine here
[14:53] <Amaranth> nexon: is flash not responding to clicks?
[14:53] <aprilhare> nexon: java worked fine.
[14:53] <aprilhare> not java, flash :)
[14:53] <aprilhare> flash worked fine.
[14:53] <aprilhare> heh
[14:54] <minimec> nexon: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[14:54]  * aprilhare installed amd64 flash alpha
[14:54] <aprilhare> not the wrappered one in the repos, true amd64 flash
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: nice isnt it :)
[14:54]  * yofel uses amd64 flash alpha too
[14:54] <yofel> works great :)
[14:54] <nexon> i installed both with synaptic, but firefox says it has not either java or flash...If i starts searching plugins it finishes instantly and says that nothing could be found
[14:55] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: it is - except in full screen mode playing video. its choppy then. but at least its stable.
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> nexon: what is the output of: uname -a
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: works great here but maye its my nvidia gfx :)
[14:55] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: i'm using nvidia
[14:55] <nexon> ActionParsnip: Linux E6600 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:06:40 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: my desktop is a POS compared to most systems
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> nexon: great, ok run: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer
[14:56] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: nothing to do with the system. i tried the wrappered flash before installing amd64 and its fullscreen isn't choppy
[14:56] <aprilhare> i traded stability for choppiness
[14:56] <Amaranth> aprilhare: 64-bit flash has all GPU acceleration disabled
[14:56] <nexon> ActionParsnip: I did
[14:56] <Amaranth> aprilhare: then again 32-bit does too if it detects compiz running
[14:57] <aprilhare> Amaranth: any idea how to enable gpu acceleration?
[14:57] <maxstirner1> Amaranth: ok I also get the hardware freeze on wireless lan without any usb disks connected..
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> nexon: then run: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins; cd ~/.mozilla/plugins; wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz; tar zxvf ./libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz; rm ./libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> nexon: then restart all firefoxes, flash be yours
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: makes my memory usage in flash be a lot less
[14:58] <aprilhare> http://thebackbutton.com/blog/64/enable-gpu-composing-on-flash-player-10-content/
[14:58] <FFEMTcJ> Amaranth: that worked.. thanks!
[14:58] <Amaranth> FFEMTcJ: I don't even know what the fix is, just remembered that thread had it :)
[14:58] <nexon> ActionParsnip: Great! Thank you! Can you also tell me what to do to make java running?
[14:59] <FFEMTcJ> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:59] <Amaranth> FFEMTcJ: ah, right, that'll create a stock nvidia xorg.conf
[15:00] <FFEMTcJ> Amaranth: ive had to do that before, but forgot about it until i saw it there
[15:00] <thiebaude> nexon, did you sudo apt-get install sun-java6.jre sun-java6-plugins
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> nexon: get the latest 64bit bin from www.java.com and move the bin file to /opt
[15:01] <nexon> thiebaude: Yes, I dit...
[15:01] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: no no no
[15:01] <nexon> ActionParsnip: ok
[15:01] <thiebaude> nexon, ok
[15:01] <Amaranth> nexon: No, don't do that
[15:01] <nexon> Amaranth,.k
[15:02] <Amaranth> Wait until you know 100% the packages have failed you before you start installing stuff not packaged
[15:02] <Amaranth> nexon: install the icedtea6-plugin package
[15:03] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: thats all well and good, however how do i force gpu acceleration? it quite clearly needs it
[15:03] <dooglus> !skype
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> nexon: sudo chmod+x it then run it and accept the defaults, you can now run: cd ~/.mozilla/plugins; ln -s /opt/jre1.6.0_16/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: i think its part of the embed html
[15:04]  * aprilhare installed skype 2.1 beta - it uses pulseaudio and is very much better
[15:04] <nexon> Amaranth,: should i remove sun java before I install  icedtea6-plugin?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> nexon: if your java version is different, change the number
[15:04] <Amaranth> nexon: shouldn't matter
[15:04] <Amaranth> nexon: worst case you have an extra java
[15:04] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: how does that knowledge help me? :) x86 version accelerates, amd64 stuck in 'off' position
[15:04] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: wanna use with favourite website
[15:05] <dooglus> aprilhare: thanks.  I'll try that
[15:05] <nexon> okay wait one second then I'll try the openjdk
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: not sure then, i thought it was a setting in flash itself if you right click and go to settings
[15:05] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: Stop. Telling. Him. That.
[15:06] <Amaranth> ActionParsnip: Unless you agree to be personally responsible for all java and browser related problems he has from now on
[15:06] <nexon> Okay, everything perfect, java runs
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> Amaranth: ok, i'll stop
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> nexon: awesome
[15:07] <aprilhare> ActionParsnip: thats the thing: that menu is rigged to switch off gpu acceleration at all times
[15:08] <iblue> hi
[15:09] <iblue> i updated to karmic and keep getting this error when starting any application:
[15:09] <iblue> GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[15:09] <nexon> another thing...I dont know if that is a specific karmic koala problem, but my evolution has no the "contact" "email" tec. buttons on the left side...Do you know how I can get them back?
[15:09] <iblue> any suggestions?
[15:10] <iblue> killing gconfd-2 works, but only until the next reboot
[15:10] <cybersplice> "Turbolinux left the room." That's pretty much an epitaph, right?
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> aprilhare: looks like its an nvidia goody: http://www.techerator.com/2009/06/adobe-and-nvidia-collaboring-on-gpu-acceleration-for-flash/
[15:11] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, i cant wait for that
[15:15] <boban> is kde 4.3.2 going to be in 9.10 release?
[15:15] <rsk> boban: 4.3.2 is not out
[15:15] <boban> it will be released tommorow, i hope, just asking
[15:16] <boban> i hope they improve kwin effects performance
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> boban: looks like 4.3.1  is, you can always add a PPA
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> !info kdebase-bin
[15:17] <maxstirner1> I've got hardware freezes on karmic, the last message in dmesg is always "Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO" with encrypted hom dir, then hardlock.. the only related bug seems to be here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/372014
[15:18] <joejc> how do i make special icons for folders?
[15:18] <Amaranth> joejc: emblems
[15:18] <Pres-Gas> I cannot seem to get the clock to change from GMT on two different installs.  Not finding a similar bug.  Anything else I should look at before reporting it?
[15:18] <joejc> really?
[15:18] <Amaranth> you can't do it like we do for the Music and such folders
[15:18] <cybersplice> maxstirner1: Looks like a fix was released for that.
[15:18] <Pres-Gas> I go to the Date/Time panel and it will not let me change the time manually nor properly sync with ntp servers
[15:18] <Amaranth> Those are treated specially
[15:19] <joejc> thats way simpler than i thought it was
[15:19] <maxstirner1> cybersplice: thanks for your attention.. i'm on karmic, for some reason i get the error message and then i get hardlock
[15:19] <cybersplice> it sounds like it's trying to read a key from somewhere, and exploding when it can't find it.
[15:19] <maxstirner1> cybersplice: i suppose if theres an I/O problem on  the mounted & encrypted home dir, the system would lock..
[15:19] <maxstirner1> yy
[15:20] <cybersplice> Did you create a key on a USB stick or something?
[15:20] <cybersplice> maxstirner1: perhaps boot from livecd, and remove your encrypted home from fstab
[15:20] <nexon> Is there always Rhythmbox instead of Banshee on the Beta install disk? As far as I remember, they said that Banshee will be the default player
[15:21] <maxstirner1> cybersplice: that would work, i've had 8.10 until yesterday, never crashed
[15:21] <maxstirner1> never touch a running system hey ;)
[15:21]  * cybersplice likes to touch running systems!
[15:22]  * maxstirner1 too unfortunately
[15:22] <maxstirner1> would like to research this further, cant really seem find related bugs
[15:22] <darkham> banshee don't should be the default audio player in karmic?
[15:23] <cybersplice> My tux servers are all 8.04, though, and *nobody* touches my production servers.
[15:23] <cybersplice> :D
[15:23] <maxstirner1> obv
[15:23] <cybersplice> Make a VM and see if you can replicate it.
[15:23] <maxstirner1> but it is nice to have a desktop that doesnt freeze every 12.5 mins
[15:23] <maxstirner1> :D
[15:26] <Boohbah> hi BUGabundo
[15:26] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: hi long time no irc?
[15:26] <yofel> hi Boohbah
[15:26] <yofel> and BUGabundo
[15:27] <wild_oscar> hi! on ubuntu karmic, shouldn't the Nvidia ION be recognized when running the "restricted drivers manager" ?
[15:27] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[15:27] <yofel> wild_oscar: did you try to refresh the updates list after an install at least once?
[15:27] <wild_oscar> yofel: doing it as we speak :)
[15:28] <wild_oscar> ie, downloading some 200 updates
[15:28] <yofel> wild_oscar: just saying since there was a bug about jockey not having the drivers list until the repos list isn't refreshed at least once
[15:28] <Travis-42> since trying 9.10 beta, ubuntu no longer auto-mounts portable usb sticks for me. is there some setting I may have to change?
[15:29] <wild_oscar> actually, jockey is one that's being updated
[15:29] <JMFTheVCI> Is anyone seeing messages during boot from fsck. (check in 3 starts) etc. Is there a way to turn these off so that we go cleanly into xsplash without annoying console traffic?
[15:29] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: Nope
[15:29] <Amaranth> Not sure what is going to be done about all that yet
[15:30] <doktoreas_> hello folks..
[15:30] <JMFTheVCI> Don't that bug ya'?
[15:30] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: Probably nothing until lucid...
[15:30] <doktoreas_> anyone using Evolution with IMAP Gmail is experiencing timeout?
[15:30] <wild_oscar> btw, I realized xorg.conf is not used - what file should one backup when messing around with the graphic stuff?
[15:30] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: Nah, I always booted without quiet when we were using usplash just so I could see that fsck line :)
[15:30] <JMFTheVCI> Amaranth. It doesn't happen on Jaunty. Why introduce it in Karmic?
[15:31] <Amaranth> wild_oscar: None, it's all autoconfigured unless you override it in xorg.conf
[15:31] <Amaranth> wild_oscar: So if you mess it up just trash the xorg.conf and it goes back to before
[15:31] <yofel> JMFTheVCI: jaunty used usplash, karmic switched to xsplash which needs X running
[15:31] <Amaranth> JMFTheVCI: They were there, just hidden behind usplash
[15:31] <yofel> JMFTheVCI: and thus at least needs to wait until the base hardware is initialized
[15:31] <yofel> JMFTheVCI: and X isn't really that fast at starting from hdd :/
[15:31] <wild_oscar> restricted drivers will create a xorg.conf then?
[15:31] <JMFTheVCI> yofel: So until xsplash is started earlier messages like these will prevail...
[15:32] <nexon> After reinstalling them, I have a problem with the layout of rhythmbox and evolution, is there an easy way to fix that?
[15:32] <yofel> JMFTheVCI: yes, or until they find a way to blank the screen until xsplash
[15:32] <slacker_nl> hello, against which package do I need to report a bug for packages installed by the minimal installation CD?
[15:32] <joejc> u sure they are emblems?
[15:32] <JMFTheVCI> yofel: Thanks.
[15:32] <yofel> JMFTheVCI: actually I think some folks did that by deliberately breaking the framebuffer, but I don't feel well about that
[15:32] <JMFTheVCI> (and Amaranth)
[15:33] <joejc> emblems are small and in the corner those are in the center and big
[15:33] <Amaranth> joejc: As I said you can't duplicate the look of the Music and etc folders because those are handled specially
[15:33] <Amaranth> joejc: For all other folders you have to use emblems
[15:33] <maxstirner1> dmesg | grep ecryptfs
[15:33] <maxstirner1> [ 2343.922098] ecryptfs_read_lower: octets_read = [-4]; expected [4096]
[15:33] <maxstirner1> [ 2343.922111] ecryptfs_read_and_validate_header_region: Error reading header region; rc = [-22]
[15:33] <maxstirner1> more news from ecryptfs ;)
[15:34] <joejc> how do i make the other folders special?
[15:34] <Amaranth> joejc: Edit nautilus source code
[15:35] <joejc> what PL is it?
[15:35] <Amaranth> joejc: Some of the most convoluted C known to man :)
[15:35] <Amaranth> (GObject/C)
[15:35] <Amaranth> Once you understand GObject it is pretty clear but otherwise...
[15:36] <cybersplice> Amaranth: You should see my firm's bespoke software. Makes me physically ill.
[15:36] <joejc> any chance its all together and all i'll need to do is hack it instead of really coding?
[15:37] <vigo> Can I remove Evolution or is it interdependent  or would hamper other things. Seems like it is integrated with alot of stuffs, but I have never used it and have no reason to anymore?
[15:37] <nexon> Isn't there sth. like evolution-branding?
[15:37] <maxstirner1> vigo: i remove it, along with all the mono stuff, nothing happens
[15:37] <vigo> Thank you
[15:37] <joejc> its is part of gnome tho
[15:38] <joejc> so is epiphanny but no one care about that either
[15:38] <vigo> I like Epiphany, but I prefer IceCat.
[15:38] <maxstirner1> swiftfox! ;)
[15:39]  * joejc is away: finding nautilus source code
[15:40] <yofel> joejc: if you want to edit it on the base what is already in ubuntu just running 'apt-get source nautilus' is enough
[15:40] <Amaranth> vigo: As long as you don't remove evolution-data-server and it's dependencies you won't break anything
[15:40] <yofel> joejc: other than that, look at http://git.gnome.org/cgit/
[15:41] <Pres-Gas> Okay, every time I change time in Karmic Beta (latest updates) I am getting page table error on next boot.  This has happened twice now.  Also, it is on more than one platform than the eee.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/432790
[15:42] <Boohbah> Pres-Gas: i also had trouble booting generic kernels on my eeepc. The realtime kernel is working excellently, however
[15:43] <Amaranth> Boohbah: Realtime kernel means about 1 hour battery life :P
[15:43] <Amaranth> It disables all power management because that introduces latency
[15:43] <Boohbah> Amaranth: realtime kernel for me means no alsa xruns for my realtime sound software, and I'm hooked up to AC anyways :)
[15:43] <Pres-Gas> Boohbah, this also happened on a Dell D630.  Seems to show itself when I set the time, which does not seem to be set properly on install.
[15:44] <Boohbah> Pres-Gas: is time displayed correctly in BIOS?
[15:44] <Pres-Gas> doublechecking that...it was in the Dell
[15:45] <Boohbah> Pres-Gas: i have had no troubles with the clock, however i upgraded from jaunty to karmic alpha 5 and have been updating since
[15:45] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, these are fresh installs...
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...this one was off...I will boot up the dell and see what it says
[15:46] <nexon> Is there an easy way to restore for all gnome including installedn apps the default settings they had when i installed the OS without reinstalling the OS?
[15:47] <dax2112rush> hi all, since karmic, shift-backspace seems to logout. It is really annoying, how do I disable that?
[15:51] <cetanhota> anyone tried alpha 6 in VMWare Fusion? It installs, but on reboot I get an active mouse and a black screen.
[15:54] <Amaranth> cetanhota: Please try again with the beta (and don't install vmware additions in the guest)
[15:55] <cetanhota> Amaranth, got yall will do so now. I will let you know the results.
[15:55] <NoelJB> cetanhota, FWIW, I had it running in WS workstation.
[15:55] <Pres-Gas> Okay, since this is logged...I just set yet a third machine to install 9.10...made sure the bios had proper time...we will see.
[15:55] <NoelJB> cetanhota, both kubuntu and ubuntu alpha and beta.
[15:56] <cetanhota> have alpha 6 running and patched many time in virtual box.
[15:56] <NoelJB> cetanhota, I don't have a Mac available to test in current Fusion, just Workstation.
[15:57] <cetanhota> NoelJB. will try the beta. update when its done.
[16:07] <TheInfinity> cetanhota: i could also test if you have  questions / need someone else to test.
[16:08] <cetanhota> Image is about half way done DL now. I think Amaranth, hit it on the head. the issue is the vmware guest.
[16:09] <dupondje> Somebody here can help me getting SynCE allowed in apparmor ?
[16:13] <nelson_> how is kubuntu 9.10
[16:13] <TheInfinity> nelson_: beta :)
[16:13] <BUGabundo> TheInfinity: lol
[16:14] <protector> hi, have problem with Broadcom WLAN and Network Manager. The Connection was declined ;) gives a work around? thx for help
[16:15] <NoelJB> protector, try asking on #NM
[16:15] <TheInfinity> BUGabundo: like question, like answer ;)
[16:16] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: actually its prob a kernel bug
[16:16] <BUGabundo> or better yet, a driver
[16:16] <BUGabundo> NM won't do much
[16:16] <wompy> Hi! I'm using a wpa2-connection with ndiswrapper. in my old gentoo-days,the wpa2-connection worked fine,but when changed to ubuntu it did not work,even when i compiled the latest versions of network-manager and wpa-supplicant. A few days ago i installed the alpha6 and surprisingly the wpa2-connection worked again. with a update around the first of october it broke again. any suggestions?thanks
[16:16] <BUGabundo> protector: please join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ping asac on it
[16:16] <commander_> can i use suspend,hibernate,reboot?
[16:17] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, the broadcom thing?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> yes
[16:17] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, and asac is also on #nm.  right now, the topic is bluetooth pan
[16:17] <wompy> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:17] <protector> BUGabundo: why mozilla?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> 'cause he's always there :)
[16:18] <NoelJB> LOL
[16:18] <BUGabundo> asac is on both teams
[16:18] <protector> ah l
[16:18] <protector> k
[16:20] <yofel> huh, wtf?
[16:21] <yofel> apport-kde just opened a new kdesudo window about every 3 seconds. How is one supposed to input something there?
[16:21] <yofel> After about the 10th I had to kill it...
[16:22] <Travis-42> since switching to 9.10 beta, my usb flash drives no longer automount. any idea how to restore this?
[16:23] <BUGabundo> I'm having a similar prob Travis-42
[16:23] <BUGabundo> some devices won't automount anymore
[16:23] <BUGabundo> not all, just some
[16:23] <BUGabundo> udev bug I guess
[16:23] <BUGabundo> if you find something in LP let me know, or sub me to it
[16:23] <Travis-42> BUGabundo: for me it's just things like USB flash drives: anything in fstab mounts fine and digital camera mounts fine
[16:24] <yofel> BUGabundo: isn't nautilus responsible for mounting them?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> nope
[16:25] <BUGabundo> Travis-42: for me, so far its only my android device
[16:26] <BUGabundo> it used to be fine, now I have to sudo mount it :(
[16:26] <JanC> probably not recognised as a storage device?
[16:26] <yofel> hm, a quick search on LP gave bug 432857
[16:26] <Travis-42> BUGabundo: yea, I can mount it without sudo using mount or gnome-mount, and the disk utils program seems to recognize it fine, just no auto mount
[16:27] <Travis-42> and it worked fine in 9.04
[16:28] <BUGabundo> it worked fine for me 1 week ago
[16:28] <yofel> and a rather insufficient bug 441604
[16:30] <dupondje> Somebody here can help me getting SynCE allowed in apparmor ?
[16:31] <dupondje> I added   # SynCE
[16:31] <dupondje>   owner /usr/share/synce-hal/dhclient.conf r,
[16:31] <dupondje> but it seems to have fuckup my whole config ;)
[16:31] <vigo> Travis-42: Is it a Read Only thing?
[16:32] <Travis-42> vigo: nope, no problem writing to it.
[16:33] <vigo> Travis-42: Is there a dmesg output?
[16:39] <dooglus> !w32codecs
[16:42] <cetanhota> Ok, beta 9.10 installed into VMWare fusion and rebooted just fine. Made sure not to put the guest tools on. Patching now. Will see what happens when I put the gust tools on after reboot.
[16:42] <vigo> I have to re-start now.
[16:44] <mdkess> I assume there's no easy way to downgrade back to 9.04 is there?
[16:45] <TheInfinity> not really.
[16:45] <IdleOne> fresh install
[16:45] <TheInfinity> downgrading is almost impossible in general, and from an beta - no chance.
[16:45] <martyn> I'm still missing any graphical or menu for grub2
[16:45] <martyn> Should I be seeing any kind of preboot graphics or menu during boot?
[16:46] <thiebaude> martyn, i dont until login
[16:46] <martyn> *hmm*
[16:46] <minimec> martyn: left 'shift' at the begin of boot.
[16:46] <martyn> The -config- file seems to indicate we should be seeing something.
[16:46] <yofel> !grub2 | martyn
[16:47] <martyn> yofel : I'm aware :)
[16:47] <thiebaude> minimec, i didn't know that
[16:47]  * martyn thinks you would remember the whole discussion we had over grub2 vs grub1, and creating an alternate-install CD with grub1
[16:47] <Boohbah> hello, i'm trying to install virtualbox-ose-modules for my 2.6.31-6-rt kernel. i did 'sudo apt-get source linux-image-2.6.31-6-rt' then copied the dir to /lib/modules/2.6.31-6-rt/build and tried to 'sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-source' but encountered errors in the DKMS build process, probably unable to find header files. ideas?
[16:47] <martyn> minimec : I'
[16:47] <martyn> minimec: I'll reboot now, and try left-shift
[16:48] <yofel> now that you guys say it, the wiki doesn't tell about left shift
[16:48] <martyn> right.
[16:48] <thiebaude> martyn, i tried installing grub2 yesterday and then my computer couldn't boot
[16:48] <yofel> bug found ^^
[16:48] <martyn> I'll test that, and if it works, I'll add it to the wiki page
[16:48] <thiebaude> but i did re-install 9.04-910
[16:50] <NoelJB> martyn, I remember it as if it were just yesterday!
[16:50] <martyn> oh, wait .. it WAS
[16:50] <martyn> -laugh-
[16:50] <martyn> I just submitted a request to my boss to use 20% time to help develop the alternate-install
[16:51] <NoelJB> :-)
[16:53] <Boohbah> i have found the module-assistant; nevermind ;)
[16:58] <malathion> Woke up, still getting Grub Error 17 after installing Karmic beta off the livecd. anyone have new ideas? :(
[16:59] <shadeslayer> malathion: reinstall grub?
[16:59] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[16:59] <dupondje> can somebody check this ? its still not fixed, and its the most annoying bug in Karmic imo :(
[16:59] <malathion> shadeslayer, I tried that according to some instructions on ubuntuforums, but I got an error, let me find it...
[16:59] <yofel> dupondje: I still never had any such behaviour in aptitude...
[16:59] <shadeslayer> malathion: this is grub 2 youre talking about right?
[17:00] <dupondje> yofel: but whats your resolution ?
[17:00] <malathion> shadeslayer, I have no idea, but I've been told that Error 17 is specific to Grub1
[17:00] <dupondje> if you have a bit smaller resolution, you don't have it
[17:00] <malathion> shadeslayer, I should mention that I had jaunty installed on this disk previously
[17:00] <shadeslayer> malathion: if you performed a clean install then you shouldnt have any problems
[17:00]  * martyn is running the update before rebooting
[17:00] <malathion> shadeslayer, You would think that wouldnt you?
[17:01] <malathion> shadeslayer, but I did it twice and got the same error both times
[17:01] <martyn> HUGE updates over the weekend.  hplip-data is large
[17:01] <shadeslayer> malathion: ok go here : http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide :
[17:01] <shadeslayer> thats the *best* guide to install grub
[17:01] <malathion> shadeslayer, Ok thanks, I'll try it, 1min
[17:01] <shadeslayer> malathion: youll need a live cd to perform the  commands :)
[17:02] <malathion> shadeslayer, I'm on the livecd right now :P
[17:02] <shadeslayer> malathion: ok then :)
[17:02] <maxstirner> how can i get rid of these toaster popups? i prefer the pidgin ones since theyre clickable for opening chats/emails..
[17:02] <maxstirner> i already removed indicator-applet, that doesnt seem to help
[17:03] <shadeslayer> malathion: you mean the new notification bubbles?
[17:03] <maxstirner> yes
[17:03] <maxstirner> black round things
[17:03] <maxstirner> are they configurable anywhere?
[17:04] <NoelJB> maxstirner, those are the new design for the notifier system, since Jaunty.
[17:04] <shadeslayer> maxstirner: you cant remove them,nor are they configurable
[17:04] <maxstirner> :|
[17:04] <maxstirner> the notifier system is replicating all the pidgin messages
[17:04] <malathion> shadeslayer, sorry what?
[17:04] <maxstirner> there's no config for that?
[17:04] <maxstirner> they are pretty
[17:04] <shadeslayer> maxstirner: you can kill the process though,dont remember if it starts up automatically later
[17:04] <maxstirner> malathion: was a mistake, he meant me
[17:04] <maxstirner> shadeslayer: thanks
[17:05] <NoelJB> maxstirner, so file a bug report that pidgin needs to stop providing its own notices.  better notifyosd integration.
[17:05] <maxstirner> NoelJB: thanks, i can turn off the internal toaster popups i suppose, theyre based on a plugin
[17:05] <malathion> shadeslayer, when installing grub-pc I got a whole bunch of errors, should I pastebin them?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: i doubt itll matter,since they were used in 9.10 even after opposition from people in 9.04
[17:05] <tj83_> whats the over all consensus of ext4? seems like many times i get updates and there are file system errors upon reboot IF it reboots at all.
[17:05] <dupondje> yofel: if I make my screen a little bit smaller, it works
[17:06] <shadeslayer> malathion: sure
[17:06] <dupondje> just doesn't work @ fullscrren
[17:06] <dupondje> quite sad
[17:06] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, to which do you refer?  the pidgin notices or notifyOSD?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: notifyosd
[17:06] <yofel> dupondje: mom, I'm trying to get gnome-terminal to even get a 300 columns size, almost got it
[17:07] <malathion> shadeslayer, pastebin-ing, 1sec, internet is slow
[17:07] <maxstirner> tj83_: my encrypted home keeps crashing and i get zero size files as reported for jaunty here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/372014
[17:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: 0_o
[17:07] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, part of a pattern that Ubuntu wants to set the one true way of things working, with fewer choices.  And if you are not at the UDS to give your input, you apparently count for little.
[17:07] <NoelJB> which is one reason I am thinking of going to the UDS this year.
[17:07] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: yeah,i figured that out ;)
[17:07] <kulight> !grub2
[17:07] <vigo> Dang. that was a 3 hour update. Still seems to function.
[17:07] <tj83_> hmm.... and the fun continues... sound has died :(
[17:07] <shadeslayer> tj83_: yayy.......
[17:08] <malathion> NoelJB, makes sense to me, new users dont like having to make lots of customizations decisions when they are learning a new OS
[17:08] <malathion> but maybe we shouldnt have that debate here, on second thought
[17:08] <maxstirner> tj83_: perhaps my early +1ing was a bit too ambitious ;)
[17:08] <NoelJB> I would certainly encourage as many people as possible to attend via remote if not in person, since not number of 100s of complaints via LP appears to count.
[17:08] <mercutio22> butt-ugly login screeeeeney
[17:08] <mercutio22> =]
[17:08] <maxstirner> :D
[17:08] <tj83_> anyone else's latest updates return no sound?
[17:08] <NoelJB> malathion, yeah, let's consider it OT for the moment.  :-)
[17:08] <malathion> shadeslayer, pastebin is being very slow, I'm just going to continue with this and hope for the best
[17:08] <shadeslayer> tj83_: did you see !sound?
[17:09] <tj83_> maxstirner, yea, i am not really feeling ext4
[17:09] <yofel> dupondje: ok, managed to get it to 314, will try the next time I get updates
[17:09] <shadeslayer> malathion: no dont... you might screw something up
[17:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Ranting is also not appreciated at UDS ;)
[17:09] <vigo> tj83: did not test that,,yet,,one moment
[17:09] <dupondje> yofel: try aptitude update
[17:09] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I know this personally :)
[17:09] <tj83_> !sound > tj83_
[17:09] <dupondje> if it updates repo data
[17:09] <dupondje> its enough
[17:09] <dupondje> locks after 5 seconds or less even
[17:09] <NoelJB> Amaranth, :-) wasn't planning to rant.
[17:09] <malathion> shadeslayer, how can it be more screwed up than it already is?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> malathion: point...
[17:10] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Are you still trying to get grub1 put back in?
[17:10] <shadeslayer> malathion: whats the first error?
[17:10] <malathion> shadeslayer, finally pastebin loaded, I'll just paste the whole session I got when following this
[17:10] <Amaranth> NoelJB: (we've never offered much choice in the default install)
[17:10] <vigo> tj83: Rythmbox works, you mean like event sounds?
[17:10] <Amaranth> s/much/any/ really
[17:10] <yofel> dupondje: an aptitude update takes less than 3s here right now, so I'll wait for updates
[17:10] <tj83_> vigo, i mean ALL sound :(
[17:10] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I'll work on it with Martyn.  For me it will most likely to be temporary measure until GRUB2 is stable enough AND I'm ready to move everything over.
[17:10] <dupondje> k :)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> tj83_: tried speaker-test and alsamixer in a konsole?
[17:11] <dupondje> upgrading my server to karmic atm
[17:11] <dupondje> 1h to go :p
[17:11] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I think the whole point was to force people to test grub2 ;)
[17:11] <tj83_> my volume icon is shaded out grey and will not adjust either. shadeslayer I will now
[17:11] <vigo> tj83: I just tested with Rythmbox, sound worked.
[17:11] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I appreciate moving forward, but it is worth providing an OPTION on something as important as this, especially for experienced users with corner cases.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> dupondje: server on a beta install ? :o
[17:11] <dupondje> shadeslayer: home file server ;)
[17:11] <dupondje> nothing serious :P
[17:11] <NoelJB> Amaranth, I have an allergy to FORCING people.  Encouraging, defaulting, all good.
[17:11] <shadeslayer> ah..
[17:11] <tj83_> shadeslayer, negative... no sound.
[17:12] <vigo> tj83: FF YouTube sound works also.
[17:12] <malathion> shadeslayer, try this, though I cant tell since pastebin is being so slow atm: http://pastebin.com/m446d3b2d
[17:12] <tj83_> hmm how do i kick start alsa ?
[17:12] <malathion> shadeslayer, also ignore fdisk errors, /dev/sda is a truecrypt partition
[17:13] <shadeslayer> malathion: yeah sure
[17:13] <shadeslayer> malathion: it timed out :P
[17:13] <malathion> shadeslayer, I think pastebin is crashing, I'll try another
[17:13] <shadeslayer> malathion: wait it opened
[17:15] <tj83_> strange........ before todays updates, alsamixer only showed one pulse audio channel... now, i have multiple channels and all were muted even tho the icon did not show it as muted.
[17:15] <tj83_> sound working again tho
[17:15] <shadeslayer> malathion: ok doesnt look like anything serious.... can you continue?
[17:15] <vigo> Sweet
[17:15] <malathion> shadeslayer, I can simply reboot, should I?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> malathion: if you have complete all steps,yes
[17:15] <MTecknology> so.. lp won't let me file ubuntu bugs anymore w/o using a local tool ?
[17:15] <malathion> shadeslayer, I'm pretty sure I did. I will now, if it didnt work you'll be hearing from me in a few minutes, if not then you wont so thank you :P
[17:16] <malathion> bbl
[17:16] <shadeslayer> malathion: hehe... anytime
[17:16] <vigo> !bugs
[17:17] <drewby> hayyyyyy
[17:17] <vigo> MTecknology: Looks like there are still options
[17:17] <shadeslayer> drewby: hello
[17:18] <drewby> I'm switching to 9.10 probably a few days after it is released, and I'll also be moving from 32 bit ubuntu to 64 bit ubuntu and I was just checking in on the state of affairs for that.
[17:18] <MTecknology> vigo: try that link..
[17:18] <shadeslayer> drewby: some issues are still being ironed out :)
[17:18] <NoelJB> MTecknology, it will. but you have to dig for the magic URL
[17:18] <vigo> MTecknology: ok
[17:18] <drewby> naturally
[17:18] <tj83_> anyone know when we can get our hands on early development image for Ludic Lynx 10.04 LTS?
[17:19] <NoelJB> which vigo posted for you.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> tj83_: thats the name for 10.04?
[17:19] <tj83_> it is
[17:19] <yofel> drewby: should be mostly ok after release, test a live disk if you want to make sure your hardware works ok (filing bugs now makes the release less buggy ;) )
[17:19] <vigo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[17:19] <shadeslayer> tj83_: i thought itll be lame lemur :P
[17:19] <tj83_> I was there at Atlanta Linux Fest 09' where they announced it for us
[17:19] <MTecknology> NoelJB: oh, the no-redirect... that's annoying
[17:20] <shadeslayer> tj83_: mark shuttleworth announced it on youtube a few days ago,havent watched the vid
[17:20] <genii> shadeslayer: Actually it's not Ludic Lynx, but rather Lucid Lynx
[17:20] <shadeslayer> genii: ah.. a bit better
[17:20] <drewby> yofel: sounds like a good idea, I'll see if I have anything to contribute
[17:20] <tj83_> shadeslayer, yea we say that video on sept 19th at ALF before it went public
[17:20] <drewby> alright back to work for me, good luck team!
[17:20] <vigo> Or you can still use the command line, ubuntu-bug ecoplition organ pipe yada yada yada
[17:21] <wompy> hi. is there a way to stop the "auto-mute" everytime i boot ubuntu karmic?
[17:21] <tj83_> shadeslayer, actually i filmed it from audience and released it like 3 hrs before... but yea my vid sucked.
[17:21] <shadeslayer> tj83_: nice :P
[17:22] <vigo> MTecknology: Right Click a link and open in browser, they work best that way, for me.
[17:22] <shadeslayer> i guess the steps didnt work... :(
[17:22] <NoelJB> wompy, file a bug report.  they keep playing whack-a-mole with that one.  working fine for me these days.
[17:23] <MTecknology> the funny thing is that I was sure it was reported already, I ust like the search given from there
[17:23] <vigo> NoelJB: Good one, that was funny, whack-a-mole. I have not seen that since Chucky Cheese left town 6 or 7 years ago.
[17:25] <vigo> MTecknology: I think is better if is always reported, that way different Archs and whatnot can be worked out.
[17:27] <vigo> Sorta streamline the code so it becomes more independent  rather than Hardware specific.
[17:28] <vigo> Universal. not indi
[17:29] <MTecknology> I wonder why Xorg will take as much as 100% CPU....
[17:29] <MTecknology> it's killing my system :(
[17:30] <yofel> MTecknology: somebody had the same today with the nv driver
[17:30] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: what ubuntu version and GPU
[17:30] <BUGabundo> there where a bad bug on intel and jaunty
[17:30] <MTecknology> I'm using intel
[17:30] <BUGabundo> yofel: nvida fien her
[17:30] <shadeslayer> MTecknology: its taking alot of mem here,but since im running karmic.... meh :P
[17:30] <BUGabundo> oh wait, yeah I say 50% cpu usage from xorg too
[17:30] <BUGabundo> on karmic
[17:31] <tj83_> '
[17:31] <BUGabundo> today _while_ doing upgrades
[17:31] <shadeslayer> typo : im NOT running karmic
[17:31] <MTecknology> it's making this thing almost unusable :(
[17:31] <BUGabundo>  1292      0      0       1797K 399.5M 56692K     0K     0K   1% Xorg
[17:31] <BUGabundo>  4434   2526      0        920K   1.1G 296.1M 65540K   152K   7% pidgin
[17:31] <BUGabundo>  4410      2      0       2106K 791.6M 275.6M     0K     0K   7% python
[17:31] <BUGabundo> xorg is fine here
[17:32] <MTecknology>  1799 root      20   0  438m  29m 2856 R  101  1.5   9:24.48 Xorg
[17:32] <vigo> BUGabundo: Where your updates s l o w ?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> MTecknology: pastebin!
[17:32] <tj83_> vigo, yes terribly slow
[17:32] <MTecknology> shadeslayer: I got that from top -b | grep Xorg
[17:32] <vigo> hrmmm
[17:32] <tj83_> vigo, average about 40K/s for me
[17:32] <MTecknology> shadeslayer: headers:   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[17:32] <shadeslayer> MTecknology: | pastebinit
[17:33] <BUGabundo> yofel: about grub2, does it have Default Save option ?
[17:33] <vigo> tj83: Squid or any such thing also running?
[17:33] <BUGabundo> AFAIK grub 0.97 had a bug where it lost it |
[17:33] <BUGabundo> vigo: not really
[17:33] <BUGabundo> but they were just a few
[17:33] <tj83_> vigo, no
[17:34] <vigo> I guess all the others grabbing the Beta are cramming the servers.
[17:34] <yofel> BUGabundo: afaik grub2 doesn't have a savedefault option (yet I hope)
[17:34] <tj83_> vigo, i think the testing repository is just busy with all the changes, everyone updating daily
[17:34]  * tj83_ says great minds think alike
[17:34] <vigo> tj83: Yes, that also
[17:35] <vigo> !pastebin
[17:36] <MTecknology> vigo: fixitfixitfixit
[17:36] <MTecknology> :P
[17:36]  * BUGabundo wonders who vigo is... never really talked to him :\
[17:36] <vigo> Do those of us that are doing alphas/dev get the Ext4
[17:36] <MTecknology> It looks like the issue is assigned to bryceharrington
[17:37] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: as all xorg bugs :)
[17:37] <MTecknology> vigo: I've been using Ext4 for only about a year
[17:37] <mercutio22> hello
[17:37] <BUGabundo> vigo: I have a Full disk system on ext4 from a clean install
[17:37] <BUGabundo> hey mercutio22
[17:37] <vigo> Is it like NTFS compared to DOS?
[17:37] <Amaranth> vigo: more like NTFS on vista compared to NTFS on XP (they aren't exactly the same)
[17:38] <vigo> nod
[17:38] <Amaranth> Well, no, in that case the on disk format is the same but the code is better
[17:38] <tj83_> speaking of pastebins..... this one might be useful to some... www.securepaste.com .... offers on the fly encryption
[17:38] <vigo> oh sweet, Thank you
[17:39] <vigo> BUGabundo: I am a sailbum from Florida
[17:40] <tj83_> vigo, you live on the boat?
[17:40] <Rods_Tiger> Will there ever be a default ubuntu distribution option that has everything the present ubuntu livecd does, except that it has no trace of evolution?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> oh wow....plasma comes up for one sec and as soon as i add a widget it crashes.... *facepalm*
[17:40] <BUGabundo> where the heck is the apt setting to change from LTS to Normal upgrade?
[17:41]  * tj83_ hopes not Rods_Tiger i use evolution lol
[17:41] <Rods_Tiger> tj83_: note, I said "option"
[17:42] <vigo> tj83: Not yet, is a small racer, but am moving up to a Bristol that is a liveaboard Cruiser.
[17:42] <tj83_> Rods_Tiger, why not just remove it?
[17:42] <Rods_Tiger> it's not straightforward, and it'd be better not having it on the CD unless I really did want it in the first place. I'm sure a lot of people are in that situation.
[17:44] <vigo> Rods_Tiger: The Alternate or NetInstall gives you the option to customize during install, like Debian does.
[17:45] <vigo> I just used that fancy Software Center to get rid of Evolution. worked great.
[17:45] <shadowhywind> hay all, just updated last night, my touchpad no longer has the "tap" feature to click. apparently its disabled by default now, how do i enable it now?
[17:46] <robin0800> shadowhywind: install touchpad from software centre
[17:46] <shadowhywind> robin0800: from the repos?
[17:47] <tgpraveen> shadowhywind: jusu use mouse prefs
[17:47] <robin0800> shadowhywind: no software centre
[17:47] <tgpraveen> from the system menu
[17:47] <shadowhywind> tgpraveen: there is nothing in the mouse prefs that say anything about tap or that i am using a touchpad for that fact
[17:48] <robin0800> shadowhywind: go to the software centre
[17:48] <vigo> Applications>Bottom is Ubuntu Software Center, is a very neat and user friendly thing/widget
[17:48] <vigo> GUI style
[17:49] <shadowhywind> robin0800: I don't know what software centre is (I'm running kubuntu)
[17:49] <robin0800> shadowhywind: bad luck
[17:49] <vigo> Add/Remove
[17:49] <vigo> Is basically the same thing.
[17:50] <dooglus> I just copied some .avi files into a folder on this ubuntu machine
[17:50] <dooglus> when I try to browse to it using nautilus, it appears to be empty, with a spinny 'busy' cursor
[17:50] <dooglus> any idea why?  the files are in there
[17:50] <robin0800> shadowhywind: synaptic kpackagekit apptitude apt-get you choose
[17:50]  * Kaj-Laptop despises touchpads , they don't work right open apps without clicking and generally are just a PITA
[17:50] <tj83_> dooglus, i had that problem.... but a reboot did the trick.
[17:51] <shadowhywind> robin0800: ok, then what?
[17:51] <mac_v> shadowhywind: its the mouse clicks option
[17:51] <shadeslayer> dooglus: did you check with ls -la /path/to/folder ?
[17:51]  * Kaj-Laptop uses a mouse evn with a lappy
[17:51] <robin0800> Kaj-Laptop: I only installed touchpad so I could diasable it
[17:51] <mac_v> shadowhywind: no need to install anything , just select the mouse clicks option from the touchpad tab
[17:52] <mac_v> oh oops! kubuntu
[17:52] <Kaj-Laptop> robin0800, good idea , thanks for the tip :)
[17:52]  * mac_v confused
[17:52] <shadowhywind> thats the thing, When I go to my mouse options I don't have a touchpad tab
[17:53] <robin0800> shadowhywind: apptitude search touchpad
[17:53] <dooglus> shadeslayer: I did.  the files are there.  I suspect nautilus is trying and failing to make a little thumbnail from the .avi files
[17:54] <shadeslayer> dooglus: i suppose so..
[17:54] <vigo> shadowhywind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[17:54] <shadowhywind> I do have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed, I just went a head and install gpointing-device-settings
[17:55] <vigo> shadowhywind: It is in Synaptics or something like that.
[17:57] <vigo> shadowhywind: And here is the K ,https://wiki.kubuntu.org/X/Config/Input
[17:58] <dooglus> tj83_: rebooting just fixed the problem for me too.  thanks for that.
[17:59] <tj83_> dooglus, np, i scratched the noggin on it for a bit,
[18:00] <dooglus> tj83_: seems a shame to have to reboot for something so simple - but I think I needed to reboot to get the wireless connection back up anyway...
[18:01] <robin0800> shadowhywind: You might need ksynaptics
[18:02] <xguru> whats the repo to launchpad?  I would like to have it in my source list
[18:02] <box> gnome-display-properties keeps locking up on me. i'm on a laptop and my second monitor is currently mirroring. i open gnome-display-properties, toggle off Mirror Screens, hit Apply, i asks if i want it to set virtual resolution for me, and it locks up.
[18:04] <dooglus> is there some way I can get a fixed IP address on the router?  the GUI in ubuntu doesn't seem to work...
[18:05] <box> dooglus, you tried changing to manual under IPV4 settings?
[18:06] <yofel> xguru: repo to launchpad? do you mean a ppa?
[18:06] <xguru> ahh, yes
[18:06] <xguru> i'm not sure where i got the ones for jaunty, but i installed 9.10 fresh, and thus lost the ppa
[18:07] <yofel> xguru: then check the launchpad page of the ppa you want to add for the link
[18:08] <xguru> i thought it was something like this. "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ubuntu hardy main
[18:08] <xguru>  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ubuntu hardy main"
[18:08] <xguru> of course change it from hardy to karmic
[18:08] <yofel> xguru: ah, the gnome do ppa
[18:08] <xguru> ahh...so what is kubuntu?
[18:09] <xguru> kde, rather
[18:09] <dooglus> box: I did - and the nm-settings-editor program crashed.  each time.
[18:09] <Ali_> hi all
[18:09] <Ali_> this is a nightmare
[18:09] <Ali_> since updating
[18:09] <box> =o
[18:09] <Ali_> since upgrading to karmic,  my machine is going mad with load
[18:09] <yofel> xguru: kde is a different desktop environment, like gnome or xfce
[18:09] <Ali_> it's that blasted kacpid
[18:10] <yofel> !flavours | xguru
[18:10] <Ali_> going killing my cpu load
[18:10] <dooglus> box: it crashes whether I edit the settings for the wired or wireless connection
[18:10] <Ali_> and EVERRRRRRRRRRRRYing this SLOWWWWWWWW
[18:10] <yofel> !variants | xguru
[18:10] <Ali_> can someone help?
[18:10] <Ali_> system is up to day
[18:10] <Ali_> date
[18:10] <yofel> !kubuntu | xguru
[18:10] <xguru> yea i got that, but i thought the updates were the same...
[18:10] <yofel> xguru: yes, the updates are the same
[18:10] <Ali_> what is this kacpid?
[18:10] <xguru> ok, thanks
[18:11] <Ali_> any help will be appreciated thanks
[18:11] <shadeslayer> !info kacpid
[18:12] <yofel> xguru: the gnome do ppa is here if you need it: https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive/ppa
[18:12] <Kaj-Laptop> bbl
[18:12] <Ali_> hmm interesting
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Ali_: whats the package name?
[18:12] <Ali_> well it certainly exists on my system!
[18:12] <jcole> hi guys, package evolution-mapi in karmic is currently unusable and does not work... it look like debian has a newer version (requires a newer evolution so i couldnt install)... how do i go about requesting a working version of evolution-mapi?
[18:12] <xguru> thanks, again
[18:12] <Ali_> dunno in system monitor it comes up as kacpid
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Ali_: oh that....
[18:12] <Ali_> yeah
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Ali_: its probably managing the power consumtion on your system
[18:13] <Ali_> but i'm on a desktop shadeslayer
[18:13] <Ali_> and *IT* is consuming all my cpu!!!
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Ali_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399619
[18:13] <shadeslayer> Ali_: and : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/kacpid-eating-cpu-99-cpu-time-213429/
[18:13] <Ali_> hmm
[18:13] <Ali_> so can i remove it or something?
[18:14] <Ali_> [my browser is taking yonks to start p
[18:14] <Ali_> [
[18:14] <Ali_> ]
[18:14] <Ali_> up*
[18:14] <yofel> !enter | Ali_
[18:14] <Ali_> hehehee sorry :)
[18:15] <shadeslayer> Ali_: well as far as i can tell from reading,just add acpi=off in the kernel line.... not sure if thats safe though
[18:15] <box> pretty sure it should be
[18:15] <Ali_> hmm
[18:15] <Ali_> what is this acpi?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Ali_: Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Ali_: check it out on wikipedia
[18:16] <Ali_> oh ok
[18:16] <naresh> Ali_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[18:16] <Ali_> also my firefox seems to be killing cpu also
[18:17] <Ali_> seems to be related to the flash plugin
[18:17] <shadeslayer> !flash
[18:17] <Ali_> i have installed it
[18:17] <Ali_> [and reinstalled it]
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Ali_: you have installed it by the above method?
[18:18] <Ali_> btw thanks for all your help dude
[18:18] <Ali_> erm let me check
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Ali_: no problem at all
[18:18] <box> gnome-display-properties keeps locking up on me. i'm on a laptop and my second monitor is currently mirroring. i open gnome-display-properties, toggle off Mirror Screens, hit Apply, i asks if it want it to set virtual resolution for me, i say yes, and it locks up.
[18:19] <box> it asks if i*
[18:19] <Ali_> shadeslayer, there's no section for karmic
[18:19] <naresh> box: found nothing on launchpad?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Ali_: the instructions are the same as jaunty
[18:20] <d0htem> yo wtf repo.mirrors are mad slow
[18:20] <d0htem> stop dling , ur messing up my bandwidth
[18:20] <shadeslayer> d0htem: switch servers then
[18:20] <shadeslayer> d0htem: use something closer to you
[18:20] <d0htem> im allready in the updating process
[18:21] <d0htem> its us.archive anyways :(
[18:21] <shadeslayer> d0htem: you can stop it and start from the same point again
[18:21] <shadeslayer> -bbl
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Ali_: im sure someone will be able to help
[18:22] <d0htem> that was a good idea lol :(
[18:24] <Ali_> hmm
[18:25] <Ali_> so anyone else got any advice for the kacpid issue?
[18:25] <Ali_> it's basically killing my cpu every few mins
[18:31] <Twigathy> hurrah! The latest round of updates broke my boot quite severely =)
[18:31] <Twigathy> gdm starts, but then does not accept keyboard or mouse input
[18:35] <yofel> Twigathy: anything interesing in X log?
[18:36] <starcannon> anyone liking gnome-shell?
[18:36] <starcannon> I haven't seen it yet, just curious what people are thinking of it
[18:36] <Twigathy> quite a few '(II) UnloadModule: "evdev"', yofel
[18:36] <Twigathy> right at the end: ' ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[18:37] <yofel> Twigathy:ok, that's bad...
[18:37]  * Twigathy nods
[18:37] <Twigathy> I just rebooted and it seems it is really quite broken :)
[18:37] <Twigathy> Now dbus failed to start :)
[18:39]  * Twigathy will try updating (ssh works!) and see $PACKAGE_UPDATE fixes things
[18:43] <boondoklife> So I booted up 9.10 but am getting messages before the new splash, The site says to file a bug on that but not what package? Should it be xsplash?
[18:43] <yofel> boondoklife: file it agains linux, will add the most information
[18:44] <yofel> boondoklife: and don't forget the tag
[18:44] <boondoklife> yofel: ok will do
[18:44] <atrus> starcannon: interesting, but unpolished.
[18:45] <davisc> I'm having all sorts of problems with X on an Intel 915GM chip. Xorg consuming 100% CPU most of the time - especially on Mozilla apps
[18:45] <davisc> Having difficulty nailing down the problem
[18:46] <davisc> Think it's related to a kernel boot message of "Cannot initialize the agpgart module"
[18:47] <virtuald> is there an irc bot that can search launchpad bugs?
[18:47] <jemark> davisc, have you tried to boot in recovery mode/
[18:47] <dupondje-> and yofel  :)
[18:48] <davisc> jemark: Ermmm... no.... That would be a good thing to try,,,
[18:49] <jemark> davisc, i had this on a intell x3100... after the recovery mode, it was ok... don't ask me how ;)
[18:50] <genii> virtuald: The ubottu used to have a feature or plugin which would pull a bug url and describe it if someone said something like: #456789       it would do it for that bug # for instance
[18:51] <atrus> virtuald: maybe ask in #launchpad ?
[18:51] <virtuald> yeah i did that too
[18:52] <genii> Maybe in #ubuntu-bots
[18:52] <virtuald> genii: yeah now when i say bug #1 ubottu should say the description but that's not what i'm after
[18:52] <virtuald> o.o
[18:52] <virtuald> thank you genii :)
[18:53] <martyn> left-shift on boot fails to access the grub2 menu
[18:53] <bucky> virtuald, the search function on the bugs webpage works pretty well
[18:54] <martyn> !grub2
[18:57] <virtuald> bucky: i just want to make it easier for myself
[18:57] <virtuald> and others
[18:57] <Adapter> ubuntu geht wohl gerade nicht auf netbooks
[18:57] <bucky> virtuald, we could flood the channel with 500 returns of any search that might come close to what you might think is a bug
[18:57] <Adapter> sorry wrong
[18:57] <virtuald> hehe
[18:58] <produnis> Hi folks, In random time, the keyboard and mouse seem to hang for about 5 Seconds. During that time, the mouse freezes and there is no response from the keyboard (by the way: It does not matter if I plug in an external usb-mouse or usb-keyboard). After this 5 seconds, I am able to hit some keys again, but it looks as if CapsLock is activatet (but it is not). If I am writing a text while the problem comes up, some of the followi
[18:58] <produnis> ng letters are cAPiTaliZED (<-- like I did there) and some are not... After freezing for 2-4 times, everything is fine again for hours. I cannot say that this problem is connected to a specific software or task I am working on...... it occures whenever it "wants" to do... no matter which software is active...
[18:58] <virtuald> bucky: of course it wouldn't return search results in a channel
[18:58] <produnis> (MacbookPro4,1)
[18:58] <virtuald> bucky: or even have a channel trigger for that matter
[18:58] <bucky> produnis, type top and see if there is something using all your resources
[18:58] <NoelJB> produnis, by any chance, if you look at the system monitor applet, do you see extremely high IO Wait times?  I still see that from time to time.  CPU is entirely consumed somewhere doing IO Wait during keyboard usage.
[18:59] <virtuald> and i would limit the results like the web page does
[18:59] <produnis> bucky, top shows nothing suspicious...
[18:59] <virtuald> hm aptitude froze after fetching debs
[19:00] <vigo> produnis: seems like a lot of USB stuff is either being worked on or not functioning ,,yet.
[19:00] <produnis> vigo, the problem I am describing here occured in Jaunty (fresh install, no PPAs) and now occures in Karmic beta (fresh install, no PPAs)
[19:00] <produnis> :)
[19:00] <bucky> produnis, do you have the appropriate keyboard and mouse specified in System=>Preferences
[19:00] <produnis> bucky, yes, Apple/Germany
[19:01] <vigo> produnis: hrm, Test that hardware on another box?
[19:01] <bucky> produnis, what do you have for Generic 104 key ?
[19:01] <produnis> vigo, in OSX and Win7 everything works fine...
[19:02] <produnis> bucky, what is a Generic 104Key?
[19:02] <bucky> produnis, in System=>Preferences=>Keyboard=Layouts
[19:02] <vigo> So it is not the hardware, just running it by the numbers.
[19:02] <produnis> ah, bucky, it says Generic PC-b105 Keys (Intl)
[19:03] <bucky> produnis, is that the right one?
[19:03] <produnis> bucky, I hope... where can I figure out if it isss thee RiGHT one?
[19:03] <produnis> there it is again
[19:03] <produnis> :)
[19:04] <vigo> Good call bucky.
[19:04] <bucky> produnis, asuming you run a Mac means you're smarter than the rest of us and can figure this out
[19:04] <produnis> bucky, smarter? Me? no way!
[19:04] <vigo> System> Preferences>Keyboard
[19:05]  * bucky does not run proprietary software on proprietary hardware.. that is a step backwards IMHO
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> count the keys on the keyboard? :)
[19:05] <vigo> 1,2,3, oh wait
[19:05] <bucky> hahaha.. i've done that before!
[19:05] <produnis> vigo, bucky, Dr_Willis... got it...
[19:05] <vigo> One was LONG, that counts as two
[19:05] <Till__> hey i have ubuntu 9.10 where is the service manager like ubuntu 9.04?
[19:05] <bucky> well the alphabet has 26 letters
[19:06] <produnis> bucky, I found "MacbookPro Intl"... and checked that... maybe it'll solve the problem...
[19:06] <vigo> Space Bar counts as 7
[19:06] <bucky> produnis, you might have to log out and back in for it to take effect
[19:06] <vigo> Most likely
[19:06] <produnis> bucky, thx... I'll try that...
[19:06] <bucky> produnis, and check the config again when you do
[19:07] <produnis> bucky, I will-- thx for your time!!!!
[19:08] <Till__> hey i have ubuntu 9.10 where is the service manager like ubuntu 9.04? bucky? :)
[19:09] <vigo> My services thing does not work. It is in Sys>Admin
[19:09] <Armageddon> guys, how's karmic koala going ? is it booting normally ? what are the major issues faced so far ?
[19:09] <yofel> Till__: many services were converted to upstart so it won't work for them
[19:10] <vigo> yofel: Thank you.
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> ive heard of people using bum to manage services.. and breaking some things..
[19:10] <yofel> !upstart
[19:10] <Till__> yofel, so there is no service manager? can i install one?
[19:10] <Berzerker> dist-upgrade will get me to the RC, right? I'm on the daily build of UNR 9.10
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> BUM might work. it seemed to  show many of the upstart services
[19:10] <yofel> Berzerker: yes
[19:11] <Berzerker> yofel, just 404'ed almost every package lol
[19:11] <huston> just wondering if anyone knows if the panel artwork is finalized for the defualt human theme.
[19:11] <yofel> Berzerker: you might want to run sudo apt-get update first :P
[19:11] <Martyn> I got graphical grub2 enabled.   the 640x480 resolution in /etc/defaults/grub was wrong for this platform
[19:11] <vigo> Yes
[19:12] <Berzerker> yofel, no I did, seems like a load problem, just dist-upgraded again and it worked
[19:12] <vigo> I do sudo aptitude update, then same but upgrade.
[19:12] <Berzerker> graphical grub2?
[19:12] <Berzerker> what's the default kind of grub
[19:13] <yofel> !grub2 | Berzerker
[19:13] <DopeGhoti> Karmic used grub-pc (aka grub2)
[19:13] <DopeGhoti> uses*
[19:14] <Berzerker> I think mine said 1.97something, is that grub2? (I know the numbers aren't the same)
[19:14] <Berzerker> or do I have to manually upgrade to it
[19:14] <genii> Yes that is grub2
[19:14] <yofel> Berzerker: yes, 1.97beta3 is grub2
[19:14] <Martyn> yep, the gfx module is dependent on VBE, and for whatever reason .. my nVidia graphics card doesn't have a VBE at 640x480 entry
[19:14] <DopeGhoti> Berzerker: that's grub-pc, so you're good to go
[19:14] <Berzerker> ok
[19:14] <Berzerker> it just looks like regular old grub though :P
[19:14] <DopeGhoti> Berzerker: looks like ≠ build like :)
[19:15] <Berzerker> of course
[19:15] <vigo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[19:15] <Berzerker> but they should have made it cooler, like the EFI bootloader or something
[19:15] <Berzerker> :P
[19:15] <Martyn> Berzerker: "looks" are decieving
[19:15] <Martyn> it's totally new
[19:15] <DopeGhoti> Berzerker: most of the changes were behind the scenes, I'd imagine that they kept it looking similar so as not to scare people that don't know about the rollover to grub-pc
[19:16] <vigo> On that wiki is a RED letter thing about DO NOT do something, read it.
[19:16] <vigo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[19:17] <Berzerker> about not editing a file?
[19:17] <vigo> Something, yes, I think that is it.
[19:17] <DopeGhoti> Berzerker: indeed, if you want to play with your grub-pc configuration, look in /etc/grub.d
[19:17] <DopeGhoti> (IIRC)
[19:18] <yofel> just read the wiki page, everything is described there what you need to know
[19:24] <Martyn> DopeGhoti: It's in /etc/defaults/grub
[19:25] <drs305> The two places to edit are /etc/default/grub and the scripts in /etc/grub.d
[19:25] <DopeGhoti> Martyn: I sit corrected :)
[19:27] <Berzerker-> ok...swtiched my desktop mode to regular desktop, and now I can't change it back to the netbook desktop
[19:30] <malathion> good news: grub2 is fixed. bad news: when running updates in the terminal, installation of the updates crashed my terminal session and took nm-applet with it
[19:30] <malathion> now I have no network to fix it with
[19:31] <hifi> note for yourself: screen
[19:31] <malathion> sorry?
[19:31] <hifi> GNU screen, doesn't ring a bell?
[19:31] <yofel> !screen | malathion
[19:31] <malathion> I know what it is, I dont know how it would have helped
[19:32] <malathion> anyway, how can I fix this? I'm looking for the nm-applet package to reinstall it, but with no luck
[19:32] <yofel> malathion: it's network-manager-gnome
[19:32] <hifi> I thought your terminal crashing during updates was the cause why nm-applet crashed
[19:32] <malathion> yofel, thanks, searching...
[19:32] <yofel> malathion: apt-file is your friend ;)
[19:32] <DopeGhoti> FWIW, byobu > screen
[19:33] <yofel> DopeGhoti: got a good tutorial for byobu? I never really worked out how it works
[19:33] <malathion> yofel, I'm now on the livecd downloading debs from packages.ubuntu.com. should I download any besides network-manager-gnome ?
[19:33] <yofel> malathion: since I don't know what exactly is broken for you, no idea
[19:33] <virtuald> Berzerker-: If Google turns up nothing I'd look in gconf-editor and search my home dir for recently modified files. Make sure to look for hidden files
[19:33] <DopeGhoti> yofel: it's like screen, but it adds a helpful statusbar and binds some F-keys for you.  If it doesn't appear do do anything, you may need to move/delete your .screenrc
[19:33] <vigo> malathion: Do you have a LiveCD?
[19:34] <malathion> vigo, I'm on it right now
[19:34] <vigo> malathion: still looking, I think you can grab a NM with that.
[19:35] <DopeGhoti> yofel: if 'like screen' isn't much help, let me know and I can try and give you a primer on that as well :)
[19:35] <malathion> vigo, heyy.... are you suggesting that I use the livecd as a repo? clever
[19:35] <yofel> DopeGhoti: I know what it is, I don't know how to use it
[19:35] <DopeGhoti> yofel: Do you mind if I PM you so as not to clutter the channel?
[19:36] <vigo> malathion: works on the chalkboard next to me.
[19:36] <yofel> DopeGhoti: np
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> yea - ubuntu tweaked screen a bit.. made it a bit more friendly for beginners.
[19:37] <malathion> vigo, ok I'll try the deb I downloaded off packages.ubuntu.com first, and if that doesnt work, I'll try to get that method working. thanks for the suggestions
[19:40] <Twigathy> Can I still use devfs as my /dev entry in fstab?
[19:40] <vigo> malathion: Here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1264703&highlight=repair+NM
[19:40] <Twigathy> I think something blew away most of /dev at some point :|
[19:43]  * Martyn kicks UbuntuOne
[19:43] <Martyn> Does anyone, anyone at all, have it working?
[19:44] <webbb82> did they just put out another big update
[19:45] <DopeGhoti> Martyn: it's working fine for me across three computers
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> that login thing doesn't even work for me
[19:45] <webbb82> for some reason if i do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade it wont find a update but if i use the gui update manager it will find them
[19:45] <Ian_Corne> aptitude
[19:48] <vigo> webb82: It seemed rather large this morning, I use aptitude.
[19:53] <nemo> hm
[19:53] <nemo> update-manager has been screwed up for me lately
[19:54] <nemo> pops up 2 authentication dialogs, then kind of hangs after the 2nd instead of authenticating.
[19:54] <nemo> but if I close it it will sometimes proceed with the update. but not always.
[19:56] <BUGabundo> nemo: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[19:57] <BUGabundo> what those that say ?
[19:57] <DopeGhoti> how does safe-upgrade differ from upgrade?
[19:57] <BUGabundo> DopeGhoti: its depreciated
[19:57] <maxstirner1> deprecated ;)
[19:58] <DopeGhoti> yes, but… what does safe- to differently?
[19:58] <jemark> anyone here with unable to access usb error messg in karmic in the beginning of the boot?
[19:58] <DopeGhoti> (other than the message)
[19:58] <maxstirner1> jemark: what message? i've got usb problems i think
[19:58] <maxstirner1> lots of hardlocks anyway
[19:58] <len> xfce broke for me after last nights updates.  Video goes blank after login.  Anyone know anything about this?  If I change to an xterm session it works, so I know it is xfce that's the problem.
[19:59] <BUGabundo> DopeGhoti: it handles depencies better
[20:02] <jemark> maxstirner1, something like this... i don't have a x64 beta but 32bit one... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/443003
[20:03] <maxstirner1> jemark: nope, i get a different one ;)
[20:06] <MichaelKohler> how can I make the panels smaller?
[20:07] <MichaelKohler> the upgrade changed the size
[20:07] <nemo> BUGabundo: oh. hey. sorry
[20:07] <nemo> was in another window
[20:07]  * nemo tries
[20:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:08] <nemo> I'd already done one commandline update/upgrade today
[20:08] <nemo> then another graphical one which still failed
[20:08] <nemo> however I hadn't tried "safe-upgrade/full-upgrade"
[20:09] <nemo> looks like it is removing libgd2-noxpm{a}, installing libgd2-xpm, and upgrading ubuntu-desktop
[20:09] <nemo> BUGabundo: I'm at work so unfortunately my attention is easily diverted...
[20:09] <nemo> welp. looks like it applied.
[20:10] <iblue> hi
[20:10] <iblue> 	i updated to karmic and keep getting this error when starting any application:
[20:10] <iblue> GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details -  1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0)
[20:10] <iblue> any suggestions?
[20:10] <nemo> heh. corba needs to die
[20:10] <BUGabundo> ehe
[20:11] <iblue> killall gconfd-2 helps, but only a few minutes
[20:11] <iblue> creating a new user helps until i reboot, then i get the same errors again
[20:12] <nemo> iblue: you're seriously contacting a server called omg.org ?
[20:12] <nemo> lol. shows how much I know about corba
[20:12] <nemo> interesting.
[20:12] <nemo> that's an awesome domain name :)
[20:12]  * nemo wants it
[20:12] <iblue> nemo, not that i know
[20:13] <iblue> seems this is a hint to the specification or something
[20:13] <txukie> hi
[20:13] <DopeGhoti> !hi | txukie
[20:14] <nemo> iblue: yeah. I made that association when I hit the URL :)
[20:14] <txukie> i have a problem with karmic, my xorg process is consuming loads of resources and its very slow
[20:14] <nemo> might not necessarily be xorg
[20:14] <txukie> i have an intel card i810 which used to work ok
[20:14] <DopeGhoti> nemo: I laughed quite a bit when I found the Official Meeting Facilities Guide some years back. At omfg.com.
[20:14] <nemo> DopeGhoti: hah
[20:14]  * nemo checks that one out
[20:15] <nemo> Ohio Milling & Farming Group
[20:15] <jemark> txukie, maybe you can update to the latest from a ppa?
[20:15] <nemo> they must have sold it
[20:15] <nemo> oh
[20:15] <nemo> lol
[20:15] <nemo> is a joke domain
[20:15] <txukie> jemark: will give it a try
[20:15] <nemo> DopeGhoti: "  8.03.2000  STFU drops ASS"
[20:15] <DopeGhoti> nemo: it was years ago.  and… what‽
[20:15] <nemo> DopeGhoti: "Appalachian Seed Sowers" of course
[20:16] <DopeGhoti> oh, naturally
[20:16] <jemark> txukie, good luck :) i have the latest xorg version
[20:16] <txukie> jemark: do you know of a ppa in particular?
[20:16] <DrOnline> Hi, is the netboot image (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/) considered on equal footing to the rest?  If I have a problem with it, should I file a bug or should I just try again with a 'better' way of doing things?
[20:16] <jemark> txukie, it's in ubuntu-tweak...
[20:17] <DopeGhoti> nemo: http://web.archive.org/web/20001210110500/www.omfg.com/AboutUs.asp
[20:17] <txukie> jemark: ok thanks will check it out
[20:17] <Ian_Corne> npviewer.bin seems highly unstable
[20:18] <nemo> DopeGhoti: ah. they still exist at omfg.com - they must have dropped the .org
[20:18] <nemo> sensible
[20:19] <DopeGhoti> I wish that the TLD-owners actually still had to conform to the original intent of .{com,net,org} domains.
[20:19] <DopeGhoti> I suspect only a small fraction of .org domain-holders are non-profits
[20:21] <MichaelKohler> I have set the panel's size to 18 pixel, but it's the same size as 25 pixels, why is that?
[20:21] <MichaelKohler> and I can't make it smaller than 18 pixel
[20:21] <martinx_> Hi! guys, the latest Karmic beta on my HP Proliant server is showing this messages: end_request: I/O error, dev cciss/c0d0, sector 0
[20:22] <martinx_> Every time I install something, even before the first login... this messages popup in my console...
[20:22] <martinx_> a lot of "end_request: I/O error, dev cciss/c0d0, sector 0" !!
[20:23] <martinx_> The same hardware with Debian Lenny works great without this message...
[20:23] <martinx_> What can be?!
[20:24] <JoeSomebody> hello again, noob from win is back :) i was also going to check out fedora based on a recomendation, NO WAY NOW, ubuntu will do :)
[20:25] <yofel> wb JoeSomebody
[20:25] <JoeSomebody> fedora is out for me, the chan is worst i have seen, they wont help me get an iso verified, just make fun of me, those people must be some small in real life to have to feel so big on the internet
[20:25] <JoeSomebody> bad first impression is all it takes today , i deleted it :)
[20:26] <JoeSomebody> i am loving ubuntu !
[20:26] <nemo> DopeGhoti: I'm a non-profit :)
[20:26] <nemo> DopeGhoti: I've stayed resolutely in .org since I registered a decade or so ago
[20:26] <DopeGhoti> nemo: Commendations on your being a part of that small fraction, sir/ma'am.
[20:27] <nemo> it is a shame MichaelKohler vanished
[20:27] <nemo> I'm quite familiar with that issue
[20:27] <nemo> I've spent a lot of time maximising my real estate on my 1024x768 screen
[20:27] <DopeGhoti> JoeSomebody: I'm sorry that the Blue Hat community left a bad taste in your mouth. That said, welcome to ubuntuville :)
[20:28] <yofel> JoeSomebody: got yourself familiar with the terminal interface yet? You'll find it very helpful, and you'll need it if you plan to stay in this channel for the next releases ;)
[20:28] <nemo> JoeSomebody: heh. funny. I just spent 10 minutes being insulted by a Fedora user I was trying to support on moznet...
[20:28] <JoeSomebody> as if it should be hard to verify a dl !!!
[20:28] <nemo> JoeSomebody: he's now on my /ignore list
[20:29] <yofel> JoeSomebody: it's not hard at all, actually it takes less than half a minute to explain...
[20:29] <JoeSomebody> unreal, they should make everything easy, at least until one gets it installed
[20:29] <JoeSomebody> they should want us to come over from winland
[20:30] <JoeSomebody> i dont remember his nick, just another ahole
[20:30] <yofel> JoeSomebody: they *should*, but if they don't then don't worry about it, we *do* it ;)
[20:30] <gsuveg> re
[20:30] <gsuveg> i have problem :)
[20:30] <yofel> gsuveg: fire away
[20:31] <JoeSomebody> cool
[20:31] <gsuveg> my usb/mp3 player cant mount with koala ;(
[20:31] <gsuveg> [  400.602227] scsi 6:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[20:31] <BUGabundo> lolol
[20:31] <BUGabundo> seems everyonke is having that today
[20:31] <gsuveg> it works with koala-1
[20:32] <yofel> JoeSomebody: well anyway, make sure you read this page:
[20:32] <yofel> !cli | JoeSomebody
[20:32] <gsuveg> yofel: ;)
[20:32] <BUGabundo> hey cool link yofel
[20:33] <yofel> hm... the Konsole description is still the one from kde3...
[20:33] <JoeSomebody> yeah i am ok with terminal i started before dos actually, then went dos, novell,win, and now linux
[20:33] <JoeSomebody> linux is not self-explanatory - anywhere
[20:33] <yofel> JoeSomebody: :D
[20:34] <JoeSomebody> and i am failry smart, but lack patience at times
[20:34] <JoeSomebody> cant type worth shti
[20:34] <yofel> brb, phone call
[20:35] <FFEMTcJ> is it just me or does the keyserver seem down?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> seems you just proved it JoeSomebody
[20:36] <JoeSomebody> np, have burned ubuntu 9.04 and beta 9.10, debian's 6 dvds,a and i WAS going to review fedora too
[20:36] <BUGabundo> cd/dvd???
[20:36] <floating> FFEMTcJ: guess it has bee nlike that quite often lately. One I got a key added by trying to do it 5 times in a row, until it got through
[20:37] <BUGabundo> who the heck still use media?
[20:37] <bjorkintosh> is anyone experiencing frequent firefox freezes on koala?
[20:37] <JoeSomebody> i dont expect to master them all , jsut have some systems and some time, and want to compare OSes
[20:37] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:37] <BUGabundo> but I use FF 3.7
[20:37] <BUGabundo> its much better latelly
[20:37] <nemo> bjorkintosh: FF3.5 or FF3?
[20:37] <mbeierl> JoeSomebody: that's what it all comes down to: how easy is it to find answers.  And for the most part, everyone here, in #ubuntu, and in the forums are friendly and helpful :)
[20:37] <bjorkintosh> 3.5
[20:37] <FFEMTcJ> floating: hmm.. its worked all day, until now for me
[20:37] <BUGabundo> I had probs with xmarks
[20:37] <bjorkintosh> hmm. perhaps i might upgrade.
[20:37] <BUGabundo> nemo: ppl still stuck on 3.0x? pfff
[20:37] <bjorkintosh> is it in apt yet?
[20:37] <JoeSomebody> but i will likely push ubuntu im my LOCAL area as it is user-friendly
[20:37] <nemo> bjorkintosh: any plugins? and is this on any specific pages like those using flash?
[20:38] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo livin on the wild side with 3.7 - lol
[20:38] <nemo> bjorkintosh: s/any plugins/any addons/
[20:38] <JoeSomebody> my area has no linux shop
[20:38] <JoeSomebody> yet
[20:38] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: and chromium 4. dev
[20:38] <bjorkintosh> nemo it might be...
[20:38] <nemo> FFEMTcJ: that has become my daily browser actually
[20:38] <nemo> FFEMTcJ: and means I can use WebGL - yay
[20:38] <bjorkintosh> perhaps i might look into that.
[20:38] <micahg> anyone have an issue with mysql5.0 on karmic?
[20:38] <bjorkintosh> but i normally have to reboot the machine 6 times a day.
[20:38] <guntbert> FFEMTcJ: as far as I know, you can use "any" gpg keyserver, try http://pgp.mit.edu/
[20:38] <micahg> my socket disappeared
[20:38] <nemo> BUGabundo: http://m8y.org/peacekeeper/
[20:39] <FFEMTcJ> sweet.. thanks guntbert
[20:39] <cybersplice> micahg, is this immediately after an upgrade?
[20:39] <micahg> cybersplice: yeah, I haven't changed the config
[20:39]  * FFEMTcJ upgrading to 9.10 today
[20:39] <cybersplice> micahg, I mean, did you have an existing Jaunty install, and then upgraded to Karmic?
[20:39] <FFEMTcJ> yippie
[20:39] <guntbert> FFEMTcJ:  you are welcome :-)
[20:40] <micahg> cybersplice: yes
[20:40] <BUGabundo> micahg: doesn't karmic have 5.1 ?
[20:40] <cybersplice> micahg, Then i guess the config got replaced with the default when you upgraded.
[20:41] <micahg> BUGabundo: yes, but I want to use 5.0 still
[20:41] <micahg> cybersplice: none of the changes affected the port/socket
[20:42] <cybersplice> Humm. Could be AppArmor? If it's not expecting 5.0...
[20:43] <micahg> cybersplice: I shut down apparmor, I already opened a bug for that
[20:44] <nemo> bjorkintosh: wait. reboot your machine??
[20:44] <nemo> bjorkintosh: because of a browser lockup? what on earth?
[20:44] <micahg> cybersplice: seems like I have a mix of 5.1 and 5.0
[20:45] <cybersplice> Ugh, that sucks.
[20:45] <nemo> bjorkintosh: also. do you use FlashBlock or NoScript? that might help exclude Flash
[20:45] <cybersplice> Presumably you're going to have to rip both out.
[20:45] <bjorkintosh> nemo i use flash for youtube.
[20:45] <bjorkintosh> and it seems a number of other sites use it's video app.
[20:46] <bjorkintosh> but yes, i have to reboot the damned machine just to be able to use X at all.
[20:46] <nemo> bjorkintosh: hm. that suggests not a bad plugin then
[20:46] <thekorn_> hi, is there a way in karmic to restart the X server from te keyboard?
[20:46] <bjorkintosh> the mouse seizes, x fails to respond, and all i can do is ssh in and reboot.
[20:46] <cybersplice> micahg, you removing both, yet? :D
[20:46] <bjorkintosh> thekorn_, i haven't enabled it.
[20:46] <nemo> bjorkintosh: mind pastebinning your ~/.xsession-errors  and /var/log/Xorg0.log ?
[20:47] <nemo> Xorg.0.log
[20:47] <thekorn_> bjorkintosh, haha, my question is unrelated to your problem ;)
[20:47] <micahg> cybersplice: I'm installing 5.1 server pkgs
[20:48] <cybersplice> micahg, oh, right. I presumed you wanted to keep 5.0. I would suggest you specifically remove 5.0 beforeand, but i don't know if that's strictly required.
[20:48] <micahg> cybersplice: apparently, the akonadi server needs 5.1, and k3b needs akonadi
[20:48] <thekorn_> my problem is: I'm unable to wakeup from suspend, my screen just stays black
[20:48] <micahg> cybersplice: I do, but that does not seem like an option
[20:49] <bjorkintosh> i will.
[20:49] <bjorkintosh> i also get a lot of XID collision: trouble ahead warnings...
[20:49] <bjorkintosh> from Gdk.
[20:49] <cybersplice> micahg, well, let's see how well it goes.
[20:49] <nemo> bjorkintosh: ah. yeah. that seems to happen a lot with firefox
[20:49] <nemo> bjorkintosh: I think there's an open bug
[20:49] <nemo> bjorkintosh: it doesn't explain your lockups though
[20:49] <micahg> cybersplice: works
[20:49] <micahg> I guess the install borked my mysql
[20:50] <bjorkintosh> hmm. it mainly happens with firefox on.
[20:50] <cybersplice> micahg: Gotta love it. Hope you're all good nwo.
[20:50] <cybersplice> Or now.
[20:50] <micahg> yeah
[20:51] <SKB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286473/ help?
[20:51] <micahg> not exactly sure how to report the problem with mysql server not staying in a functional form after upgrade
[20:51] <thekorn_> well not really black, looking very close I can see the contours
[20:51] <cybersplice> Just report exactly what you did and see if someone can replicate it.
[20:52] <micahg> I'll have to check the upgrade logs later
[20:52] <micahg> thanks cyberspliceb
[20:52] <micahg> or rather cybersplice
[20:52] <cybersplice> SKB, can you paste your processes list?
[20:52] <SKB> ugh
[20:53] <bjorkintosh> is the gdk collision error specific to 3.5?
[20:53] <SKB> forgot how to do that :|
[20:53] <bjorkintosh> should i be using a different version?
[20:53] <cybersplice> SKB, ps -A
[20:53] <SKB> ty
[20:53] <SKB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286475/
[20:55] <cybersplice> SKB, Well, that's a barrel of monkeys.
[20:56] <cybersplice> SKB, are you on that machine, or SSHd to it?
[20:56] <SKB> my desktop
[20:57] <cybersplice> /etc/init.d/sshd stop
[20:57] <cybersplice> (sudo)
[21:00] <cybersplice> Lo, i am become death. Stealer of chat.
[21:00] <SKB> same
[21:00] <cybersplice> pastebin your /var/log/auth.log
[21:03] <Berzerker> how do I find out which version of karmic I'm running?
[21:03] <SKB> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286484/
[21:04] <yofel> Berzerker: which version as in? architecture?
[21:05] <Berzerker> no as in like...which build
[21:05] <Berzerker> as in, I want to know if I'm upgraded to the RC
[21:05] <cybersplice> SKB, That's a pretty busy auth log.
[21:05] <SKB> indeed :|
[21:05] <cybersplice> Berzerker, have you apt-get updated?
[21:05] <Berzerker> yes, but I want to check
[21:06] <guntbert> Berzerker: RC is not out yet
[21:06] <cybersplice> SKB, are you remastering a CD and running a lot of cron jobs?
[21:06] <bjorkintosh> nemo http://pastebin.ca/1595521
[21:06] <Berzerker> guntbert, it's not?
[21:06] <SKB> i was
[21:06] <cybersplice> Berzerker, You have whatever is in the repos.
[21:06] <SKB> but this error is not related :|
[21:06] <yofel> Berzerker: I don't think there is any way to identify that, and yes, RC isn't out yet
[21:06] <Berzerker> someone told me it was out today...
[21:06] <bjorkintosh> that took long enough. my connection is rather slow today.
[21:06] <yofel> !schedule | Berzerker
[21:06] <guntbert> Berzerker: no, only beta
[21:07] <cybersplice> SKB, those cron jobs were all opening sessions
[21:07] <cybersplice> try killing cron
[21:07] <SKB> Oct  4 20:57:05 skb-kompas sshd[6865]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=218.80.221.51  user=root  that wasn't me :|
[21:07] <nemo> bjorkintosh: did you collect this after a restart?
[21:07] <nemo> bjorkintosh: will probably need the .old
[21:08] <nemo> bjorkintosh: also, anything interesting in .xsession-errors? (I understand that one may have stuff you don't want to pastebin)
[21:08] <cybersplice> SKB, there are always going to be people trying to hit your ssh port if it's open.
[21:09] <bjorkintosh> nemo .xsession was full of mplayer errors.
[21:09] <bjorkintosh> all the other errors were from when i was running jaunty so i erased it.
[21:09] <abarbaccia> hey all - im having trouble compiling v4l on karmic - i had no problems on jaunty. It can't seem to find the dma.h header file during make. linux-headers package is installed, kernel source is installed, extracted and linked to /usr/src/linux
[21:09] <abarbaccia> any thoughts
[21:09] <abarbaccia> ?
[21:10] <cybersplice> What are you trying to do, SKB? Just open a root session?
[21:10] <SKB> apt-get update
[21:11] <cybersplice> sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[21:11] <bjorkintosh> nemo the diff from .old shows the power button was pushed. no other difference.
[21:11] <cybersplice> oops!
[21:12] <cybersplice> Another satisfied customer?!
[21:13] <mbeierl> Anyone else having a new problem where Java applications do not receive mouse clicks properly?  Wheel scroll doesn't work either...
[21:14] <nemo> bjorkintosh: when X locks up, does the mouse still work?
[21:14] <cybersplice> SKB, WB!
[21:14] <SKB> haa
[21:14] <cybersplice> SKB, did it work?
[21:14] <SKB> i've lost my mouse and keyborad after that
[21:14] <nemo> bjorkintosh: and have the X mouse theme?
[21:14] <cybersplice> Sorry about that.
[21:14] <bjorkintosh> it moves, but it doesn't click on anything.
[21:14] <nemo> ah-hah
[21:14] <nemo> bjorkintosh: does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[21:14] <SKB> same :|
[21:14] <cybersplice> Wasn't thinking!
[21:14] <cybersplice> ... wtf!
[21:14] <SKB> after reboot
[21:14] <cybersplice> after a reboot?!
[21:15] <bjorkintosh> nemo nope.
[21:15] <bjorkintosh> can't do anything.
[21:15] <nemo> reallly
[21:15] <nemo> bjorkintosh: what about ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[21:15] <bjorkintosh> doesn't work.
[21:15] <nemo> huh...
[21:15] <nemo> bjorkintosh: say, mind adding:
[21:15] <bjorkintosh> if i ssh into it and kill bjork's processes, nothing changes.
[21:16] <nemo> Section "Serverflags" Option "AllowDeactivateGrabs"  "On" Option "AllowClosedownGrabs"  "On"
[21:16] <nemo> EndSection
[21:16] <yofel> cybersplice: side note: dbus is now a upstart service, so use 'sudo service dbus restart' instead of 'sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart'
[21:16] <nemo> bjorkintosh: to your Xorg.conf ?
[21:16] <nemo> bjorkintosh: and then seeing if the grab hotkeys work?
[21:16] <bjorkintosh> okay let me see.
[21:16] <cybersplice> Thanks, yofel
[21:17] <cybersplice> look for limit name="max_connections_per_user"
[21:18] <nemo> bjorkintosh: also. if you ssh in and kill compiz (just compiz) does anything happen?
[21:18] <nemo> compiz.real of course
[21:18] <SKB> ty
[21:19] <bjorkintosh> compiz isn't running at all.
[21:21] <MTecknology> bjorkintosh: what's the problem?
[21:22] <bjorkintosh> MTecknology, x freezes hard and requires a reboot of the machine.
[21:22] <MTecknology> bjorkintosh: if you ssh into it is Xorg running 100% CPU?
[21:23] <MTecknology> or something higher than 5%
[21:23] <bjorkintosh> yes.
[21:23] <bjorkintosh> but it's usually firefox being the hog.
[21:24] <bjorkintosh> if there existed a decent replacement for firefox, i'd never use the f___ POS!
[21:25] <MTecknology> bjorkintosh: but Xorg is running really high, right?
[21:25] <bjorkintosh> right now it's not. i'm about to restart the machine.
[21:26] <MTecknology> bjorkintosh: ok- if that was the case, there's already a large number of bugs out there on the issue and it's being worked on
[21:26] <MTecknology> right now Xorg will jump up massive amounts, from 5% - 100%. (for me)
[21:26] <bjorkintosh> ah. so it's just a bleeding edge issue?
[21:26] <MTecknology> makes the system extremely painfully slow to respond
[21:26] <MTecknology> I'd guess so
[21:26] <bjorkintosh> X has never NOT been a resource hog.
[21:28] <bjorkintosh> i'm suprised a replacement for it hasn't been implemented yet.
[21:28] <bjorkintosh> ... a proper replacement.
[21:29] <MTecknology> Just to switch from one desktop to the other I need to wait 5-10 seconds for my terminal to redraw; and I'm not even using Gnome of KDE
[21:29] <MTecknology> of even Xfce
[21:29] <bjorkintosh> i use blackbox.
[21:29] <bjorkintosh> i just removed and reinstalled it incase there's something lurking...
[21:30] <maxstirner1> hm
[21:30] <maxstirner1> i've just noted my sources.list is all on intrepid still
[21:30] <maxstirner1> i have no idea how that has happened
[21:30] <maxstirner1> i've probably downgraded karmic to intrepid levels?
[21:31] <kiwnix> how do i "reopen" a bug in launchpad?
[21:31] <bjorkintosh> have you run apt-get update lately?
[21:31] <maxstirner1> ive installed karmic from scratch and copied my home directory across
[21:31] <maxstirner1> for some reason sources.list is from intrepid
[21:31] <MTecknology> kiwnix: it's usually best to reopen a bug and reference the resolved issue
[21:32] <maxstirner1> but in synaptic its got different ones..
[21:32] <kiwnix> so i open a new bug, and point to the bug # of the old bug?
[21:33] <FFEMTcJ> how can i install java to where firefox recognizes it? I installed sun-java6-jre but that didnt work
[21:33] <MTecknology> kiwnix: ya, but give a description from exactly what issue you're having
[21:33] <kiwnix> it's about a issue resolved with a new update, but... with the new version it still happens, ok :)
[21:33] <bjorkintosh> hmm. i wonder if mozilla (the browser) is better behaved these days?
[21:34] <maxstirner1> all the updates are for karmic.. has the location changed from /etc/sources.list?
[21:34] <bjorkintosh> no.
[21:34] <bjorkintosh> but change it before you blow it up.
[21:34] <maxstirner1> that's deeply odd?
[21:34] <kiwnix> FFEMTcJ, try sun-java6-plugin i think
[21:34] <flame__> hi
[21:34] <maxstirner1> synaptic displays it correctly
[21:35] <flame__> i have a question concerning karmic beta UNR
[21:35] <FFEMTcJ> kiwnix: i was thinkin that but wanted a second opinion.. thanks
[21:35] <bjorkintosh> still... fix it while you can.
[21:35] <merculiv> does  anyone know if karmic had ubuntu-restricted-extras package available for download yet?
[21:35] <merculiv> has*
[21:35] <FFEMTcJ> i downloaded it merculiv
[21:35] <merculiv> shweet
[21:35] <maxstirner1> i would just love to know where its getting the correct list from
[21:35] <merculiv> thx
[21:36] <maxstirner1> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main libglib2.0-0 2.18.2-0ubuntu2.2 [771kB]
[21:36] <maxstirner1> Get:2 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main tzdata 2009n-0ubuntu0.8.10 [685kB]
[21:36] <maxstirner1> insane
[21:36] <durt> maxstirner1, sources.list is in /etc/apt/ if you have it in /etc it won't do anything.
[21:36] <maxstirner1> durt: thanks i meant etc/apt/sources.list, it differs from synaptic packagelist and i dont know where its got it from
[21:36] <merculiv> havent installed beta just yet waiting for my latops HD to make it in the mail....hopefully today..
[21:37] <flame__> why karmic beta UNR is only available only in iso format since it says that it is optimised for netbooks and netbooks does not have CD?
[21:37] <flame__> is there any place i can get karmic UNR in .img?
[21:38] <merculiv> there should be a iso to img program for windows just browse it
[21:38] <merculiv> or linux
[21:38] <durt> flame__, iso is for cd
[21:38] <flame__> durt: yes, i know, but my MSI Wind does not have a cd reader
[21:39] <flame__> durt: so i am looking for img for usb boot
[21:39] <durt> flame__, actually for anything, but the iso size can fit on a cd.... use unetbootin
[21:39] <flame__> durt: this is a solution, thanks
[21:40] <maxstirner1> ok i know whats happened, forgot i'm talking to a server :-$
[21:43] <maxstirner1> get my coat
[21:44] <slacker_nl> merculiv: http://pb.opperschaap.net/53
[21:44] <virtuald> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/canonical-contributions.html
[21:44] <merculiv> thx
[21:46] <kklimonda> virtuald: that was one short blog entry ;)
[21:50] <mdkess> Hi, is anywhere here using Eclipse 3.5 on Karmic?
[21:50] <shadowhywind> not yet,  thats on my list of things to install in the next day or two
[21:51] <mdkess> Do you have eclipse 3.4 by chance? I am having a weird problem with my OS, where I can't click certain buttons.
[21:51] <shadowhywind> unfourtently no,
[21:52] <kiwnix> mdkess, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/442078
[21:53] <shadowhywind> hay all, sorry for randomly leaving earlier, something came up. So my touchpad tap doesn't work Running kubuntu
[21:53] <shadowhywind> any ideas?
[21:54] <mdkess> Ah, brilliant.
[21:54] <mdkess> shadowhywind, did you look at your xorg.conf?
[21:55] <shadowhywind> mdkess: what should i be looking for in xorg.conf?
[21:55] <mdkess> Any options that have the substring 'tap'
[21:55] <shadowhywind> mdkess nothing is marked for tap
[21:56] <shadowhywind> don't have 'tap' anywhere in it
[21:56] <mdkess> I think that you can just add options there for it.
[21:56] <mdkess> I forget how though, I'll look it up for you, one sec.
[21:57] <shadowhywind> mdkess: any hints on what option?
[21:58] <jarnos> Sometimes I can't enable bluetooth. Bluetooth is always enabled after restart or resume from suspend to RAM.
[21:58] <mdkess> shadowhywind, not sure yet.
[21:59] <mdkess> shadowhywind, take a look at this in the meantime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[22:01] <mdkess> One minute, I'll be right back, promise.
[22:08] <booboo> hi. can someone help me find information on how the mouse is configured in karmic? in jaunty i was using fdi files for hal
[22:08] <bhuey> is there a recommended firewall for karmic ?
[22:08] <bhuey> arno seems to be screwed up
[22:08] <Martyn> uncomplicated firewall
[22:08] <yofel> bhuey: the default one should be (g)ufw
[22:09] <bhuey> how do I get nat working on it ?
[22:09] <aapzak> wow, got kubuntu karmic working, it's looking great!
[22:10] <booboo> anyone?
[22:10] <booboo> :\
[22:12] <joumetal> How can I add myself permanent privileges to change cpu frequency from cpufreq-applet?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> what's the UNR seed package name?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> joumetal: AFAIK you can't
[22:15] <yoasif> anyone running karmic on a macbook air
[22:15] <yoasif> thinking about installing it on my friend's machine
[22:18] <joumetal> i can't understand bug 431264.
[22:21] <Freeaqingme> joumetal, what dont you understand? as explained there you should just use policykit to set the right permissions for that app
[22:21] <joumetal> How can I do that?
[22:22] <burner> is it just me or does empathy have no notification area support?
[22:23] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, the casual "you can adjust the policy to allow you to adjust the frequency without authenticating." is inappropriate for most users.  They won't know how.
[22:26] <Freeaqingme> NoelJB, fair enough
[22:27] <Freeaqingme> joumetal, try running  polkit-gnome-authorization
[22:28] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, that's not in a standard install, as far as I see.
[22:28] <kiwnix> mdkess, looks like eclipse people got a workarround for the bug...
[22:28] <kiwnix> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=291257
[22:28] <Freeaqingme> NoelJB, I am on a standard install of karmic, and it is here. Otherwise you may wanna try polkit-gnome-manager or something (try polkit and press tab)
[22:29] <joumetal> What should I do there?
[22:29] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, here I get: $  polkit-gnome-authorization ---> The program 'polkit-gnome-authorization' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install policykit-gnome
[22:30] <silentnights> I just installed ubuntu karmic beta but grub hangs. Does anyone know anything about this?
[22:30] <Freeaqingme> NoelJB, I dunno. I upgraded from a bare 8.10 install to 9.10 2 days ago and I got it, not aware of anything special I installed.
[22:31] <DanaG> argh, what the heck?   My system just randomly went into suspend.
[22:31] <benoitc> is there a better way than editing manually the ini file in .config/couchdb-desktop to have access on the launched couchdb ?
[22:31] <silentnights> Has anyone got a problem with grub2??
[22:31] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, I'm looking now.  It is Suggests: policykit-gnome by policykit, but not required.
[22:32] <silentnights> Mine hangs !!!
[22:32] <NoelJB> silentnights, anything interesting in terms of output, it just dead?
[22:32] <silentnights> Yeah. when it says grub loading. it just stop
[22:33] <silentnights> Even the keyboard does not respond to numlock and such
[22:33] <Freeaqingme> NoelJB, hmm, odd. I hardly ever use it so didn't install it on purpose. Dunno either
[22:34] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, do you have gnome-mount?
[22:34] <Freeaqingme> yup
[22:34] <bcurtiswx> hey, where are system sounds stored?
[22:35] <Lazy> is amarok update still broken?
[22:36] <NoelJB> Freeaqingme, gnome-mount pulled it in :-)
[22:36] <silentnights> Any suggestion about grub? :)
[22:36] <silentnights> I can't boot or anything. :$
[22:37] <NoelJB> silentnights, go to #grub and look for cjwatson
[22:38] <silentnights> Thanks NoelJB
[22:38] <silentnights> Am heading there :)
[22:38] <NoelJB> good luck :-)
[22:38] <joumetal> silentnights: did it work before? if it did you can repair it with livecd.
[22:39] <silentnights> no it did not
[22:39] <silentnights> I just installed karmic and on first boot it just hanged
[22:39] <silentnights> restarted but got to the same point
[22:39] <silentnights> hangs when it say grub loading
[22:42] <SKB> GN
[22:42] <tormod> silentnights, what kind of hardware is this? esp CPU
[22:42] <Lazy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing if anyone wants to add Intel DG35EC motherboard the answers would be: PASS PASS, ext3, No, Encrypted LVM
[22:42] <silentnights> tormod: Pentium D 3 GHz 4 MB L2 cache
[22:43] <tormod> silentnights, and the hard drive?
[22:44] <silentnights> 640GB western Digital Sata
[22:44] <silentnights> tormod: I have 2 other hard disks connected but that's the one with the system on.
[22:45] <tormod> silentnights, the other two are also sata=
[22:45] <silentnights> one Sata and one ATA
[22:46] <tormod> silentnights, I would have tried removing the two other disks and reinstall grub
[22:47] <booboo> are there any changes as to how the mouse is configured in karmic?
[22:47] <DanaG> grr, stupid gnome-power-manager.
[22:47] <booboo> i have been using fdi policies for hal in 9.04
[22:47] <DanaG> oh, and apparently my X server is still broken -- "Session active, not inhibited, screen idle."
[22:48] <tormod> silentnights, it could be that some part got installed to the wrong drive
[22:48] <silentnights> tormod: ok. It's my first time using grub2. What's the command from karmic livecd?
[22:50] <Forza4Life> how can i get nvidia-settings to save my dual monitor setup...it is telling me it "failed to parse the xorg file"
[22:51] <tormod> silentnights, grub-install --root-directory=/media/karmic /dev/sda
[22:52] <tormod> silentnights, or use grub-installer (which I don't have here now, so I can't read the man page)
[22:52] <shadowhywind> so i learned something new, the touchpad tap works on the login, and even after it logings, but then shortly after it becomes disabled
[22:53] <silentnights> tormod: Thanks a lot. I will try it now. Will have to shutdown the pc so I will come back when I test it. Thanks again :)
[23:03] <Twigathy> man
[23:03] <Twigathy> my install's pretty screwwwwed :)
[23:03] <Twigathy> But I got a GUI up now :)
[23:04] <Twigathy> Somehow /dev/pts failed to ... mount ... then the interface lo failed to come up ... then statd failed to come up ... then I realised that gdm wouldn't start because hal and dbus were stopped... ugh. Time for a re-install? :-)
[23:12] <davisc> 9 out of every 10 boots on Karmic, Xorg takes up 100% CPU when redrawing Mozilla windows. Tried tweaking kernel lines (noapic) and recovery mode. Nothing. Seems to be related to an agpgart error I get on boot but Google isn't helping me. Any suggestions?
[23:24] <bjorkintosh> davisc, i understand the keyword is 'karmic'
[23:24] <bjorkintosh> as opposed to 'jaunty'.
[23:25] <Andy80> how can I modify this value: org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem- mount-system-internal ? I've to test a workaroound for a bug...
[23:27] <davisc> bjorkintosh: Sure. But I'm trying to nail down the problem so I can submit a bug report
[23:30] <histo> Can't figure out why Grub2 won't boot my default kernel
[23:31] <histo> It was working untill an upgrade about a month ago now it won't time out and boot. I have to hit enter to select the default.
[23:35] <histo> Really don't want to reinstall to fix it. I'd rather firgure this out but grub2 is giving me headaches
[23:36] <test34> I tried to get a backtrace for empathy using the instruction at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace, but I get "No stack." is it because it was compiled without debugging symbols?
[23:37] <BluesKaj> histo, have you edited grub2 ? , if so one has to use the cli : update-grub
[23:37] <histo> BluesKaj: it seems like its not accepting any changes
[23:38] <BluesKaj> sudo update-grub
[23:38] <histo> BluesKaj: even after update-grub
[23:40] <BluesKaj> any error message ?
[23:40] <histo> Nothing it just sits at the menu screen and won't boot the default kernel. You have to press enter
[23:41] <BluesKaj> no , when you run the sudo update-grub in the konsole, what error ?
[23:42] <histo> BluesKaj: /etc/default/grub is set for GRUB_DEFAULT=0 timeout is 2
[23:42] <histo> BluesKaj: no errors
[23:42] <histo> BluesKaj: I think its just the /etc/default/grub file isn't right with the timeouts for somereason after that update.
[23:42] <histo> BluesKaj: let me pastebin it hold up
[23:44] <test34> here is my attempt at getting a back trace: http://pastie.org/643010 .  How can I get more information? the backtrace looks empty..
[23:46] <BluesKaj>  histo pastebin your /etc/default/grub file
[23:46] <histo> trying to figure out pastebinit right now
[23:46] <BUGabundo> histo: install pastebinit
[23:46] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> easiest way
[23:47] <BUGabundo> just $ pastebinit /etc/default/grub
[23:47] <histo> BUGabundo: thats what i've done but pastebinit -i /etc/default/grub isn't working
[23:47] <BUGabundo> no need for -I
[23:47] <histo> there we go
[23:47] <histo> Just took a while
[23:47] <histo> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/f63d49794
[23:47] <histo> Looks like pastebin.com is really lagging right now
[23:49] <BluesKaj> histo, your GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 should be commenr=ted with a #
[23:49] <BluesKaj> err commented
[23:50] <histo> K does everything else look normal?
[23:51] <BluesKaj> and switch your GRUB_TIMEOUT="2" to a higher number like 6 or 7 , giving more time scroll down to youer windows bootloader when it's fixed
[23:51] <histo> I don't have a windows bootloader
[23:51] <histo> And I thought once you hit a key it stops the countdown
[23:52] <histo> The machine only has karmic on it.
[23:52] <BluesKaj> histo, yes , otherwise it's exactly the same as mine
[23:52] <histo> BluesKaj: let me reboot after update-grub brb
[23:53] <DopeGhoti> histo: holding shift as the PC boots will force the grub-pc menu to appear
[23:54] <histo> BluesKaj: thank you its working perfectly now.
[23:55] <histo> I'll have to do some reading to figure out why that was happening.
[23:55] <BluesKaj> good histo , glad to hear it