[05:24] <knome> hey! is there any way to make the handling of dual monitors in gdm better? one image streched to fill two monitors doesn't exactly look good...
[07:48] <zniavre> http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2623/captureyf.png  > there is a way to seperate the both treeview rule for sidepanel en regular treeview ?
[07:48] <zniavre> Hello / Bonjour  sorry)
[07:49] <zniavre> en > and *
[08:09] <mac_v> thorwil: hi... i cant seem to find your scrollbar idea url... could you link me? i'm thinking of asking Software center to use that idea :)
[08:10] <thorwil> mac_v: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/
[08:10] <mac_v> thorwil: awesome .. thanks :)
[08:18] <mac_v> thorwil: folks seem to love it! damn, i didnt get this idea earlier :/   since its late for Karmic... they might consider it for a future version
[08:19] <zniavre_> that s true it's nice
[08:19] <thorwil> mac_v: so far it were never the right people who love it. as in: those who could make it happen ;)
[08:20] <zniavre_> :o)
[08:20] <mac_v> thorwil: hehe , yeah... mvo the main maintainer likes it... just need to now convince mpt as soon as i find him ;)
[08:20] <thorwil> btw, if someone here feels like having fun with python, there's a still incomplete demo script ...
[08:22] <thorwil> mac_v: mpt is among the skeptics. i think you would not do that anyway, but to be sure: don't even think of calling it intuitive ;)
[08:22] <mac_v> lol
[08:23]  * thorwil received some real money via paypal and now his account is frozen :/
[08:26] <mac_v> argh! lucid is going to be LTS , so it would be even harder to convince mpt :/ since he's already a skeptic...
[08:27] <mac_v> i thought we could use software center as a testing ground to push this idea into gnome3
[08:28] <thorwil> mac_v: try it. you could suggest that they do user testing at canonical ... :)
[08:30] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah... i'll find the right time and pick on mpt ;p ... already there are a few suggestions to improve it , i think making it better and then presenting it would be ideal
[08:30] <mac_v> ex: <Amaranth> Then just fix it up to implement the current scrollbar API perfectly, be accessible, and implement a couple of the changes mentioned in the bug report (single click jumps a page, don't make the arrows disappear if you move your mouse off the scrollbar for a second)
[08:32] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:32] <AlanBell> I am looking for some help re-designing a logo, not entirely sure this is the best place to ask, feel free to point me in another direction if not.
[08:32] <thorwil> mac_v: except for "implementing the API", almost done. but it got a bit of a mess when i added a horizontal version
[08:33] <mac_v> thorwil: then you should update the video too , with the current version
[08:33] <AlanBell> The logo is for the http://nakedcomputers.org site which promotes vendors who will sell a computer without an operating system, a contribution towards a fix for bug 1
[08:34] <AlanBell> the current logo is a rotated 3 on a keycap. In the right light this kind of resembles a bottom, which is a bit cheeky
[08:34] <AlanBell> that is fine, however some people look at it and see boobs, which is not gender neutral and causes offense
[08:35] <AlanBell> any tips on how to make it not offensive, or any suggestions for a total redesign would be appreciated
[08:35] <mac_v> AlanBell: why did you use 3 in the logo?
[08:36] <AlanBell> mac_v: because I can't draw, and it is a mash up of free as in freedom elements
[08:36] <thorwil> mac_v: because it looks like ass! ^^
[08:36] <AlanBell> 3 because it is the glyph from a free font that looked most like a bottom to me
[08:37] <AlanBell> the FAQ states "It is the bottom half of a 3 from the DejaVu Sans font rotated 90 degrees and mirrored. This is then placed on a keycap image from the Nuvola icon set designed by David Vignoni. Anything you see other than a rotated 3 is all in your head."
[08:37] <mac_v> lol ;)
[08:37] <thorwil> AlanBell: you could try to express that it's about having just the "core" without addition
[08:38] <thorwil> or actually: an empty shell
[08:38] <AlanBell> thorwil: ok, good sugestion, but there are problems with going in an apple direction in this context
[08:39] <AlanBell> empty shell is interesting
[08:39]  * AlanBell keeps chickens
[08:40] <AlanBell> it might be a bit negative though. I want to promote naked computers as a good thing, an empty shell doesn't sound like a positive image, but there might be a way to do it
[08:40] <thorwil> something ridiculously simple like a filled circle with a dotted outline around it might work
[08:41] <AlanBell> I like ridiculously simple
[08:41] <thorwil> or something bowl-like http://www.der-feine-tisch.de/images/Bowl.jpg
[08:42] <mac_v> AlanBell: out of the concept a bit > hmm... peace symbol or the olive branch ?
[08:42] <mac_v> in the key
[08:43] <mac_v> AlanBell: or we could just make the color version of the bottom ;)
[08:43] <AlanBell> we were working on a new theme for it and tried to modify the existing logo a bit, but it looks rubbish
[08:43] <AlanBell> http://lordies.co.uk/naked/
[08:44] <thorwil> a fig leave? http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/17540.jpg
[08:44] <AlanBell> mac_v: interesting thought. Using color could make it more bottomish and less boobish?
[08:44] <mac_v> yup
[08:44] <AlanBell> thorwil: lol
[08:45] <thorwil> i don't think you can use color for bottom/boob differentiation ... excpet if you start to add some blue veins :)
[08:45] <mac_v> AlanBell: that way , it wont be confused as boobs and you dont have to change your logo a lot
[08:46] <thorwil> i think you should stay away from body parts
[08:46] <mac_v> thorwil: if we extend the bottom a bit above to include the back?
[08:46] <mac_v> so it becomes clearer as a bottom
[08:46] <mac_v> upto the small of the back
[08:50] <mac_v> http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/19309/wm/pd2128909.jpg
[08:58] <AlanBell> maybe some kind of abstract line drawing representation of that sort of pose would work
[08:59] <AlanBell> don't think I have the skills to do that though
[08:59] <thorwil> i have but i don't think it's appropriate at all
[09:02] <AlanBell> it gets a bit too explicit really
[09:03] <AlanBell> I kind of like the way the current one is quite abstract and just points the mind in a direction
[09:04] <AlanBell> just too many minds went in an unexpected direction
[09:04] <mac_v> lol ,
[09:04] <AlanBell> who would have thought that bums and boobs could look so similar!
[09:04] <mac_v> AlanBell: then you can just modify this icon a bit  http://lordies.co.uk/naked/ to add the small of the back
[09:13] <AlanBell> mac_v: just tried that. Turns out looking like another unfortunate body part :-(
[09:13] <mac_v> AlanBell: do you have the icon ? i could give it a shot ;)
[09:14]  * mac_v brb
[09:32] <thorwil> AlanBell: not sure what to think of it myself: http://xs344.xs.to/xs344/09411/naked_computers409.png
[09:33] <AlanBell> http://nakedcomputers.org/bums.svg is our attempted new logo, the bits for the existing one I don't have as svg, it was just done in the gimp
[09:34] <AlanBell> thorwil: hmm, quite abstract
[11:06] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[12:13] <mac_v> re
[13:30] <dashua> zniavre, Pull again when you have some time.  Many fixes, just not Firefox yet =/
[13:32] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26568/screenshot_007_51pJF6.png
[14:03] <dashua> zniavre, The only fix for Firefox seems to have a dark menu_bg
[14:11] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/26574/screenshot_lQik0J.png
[15:56] <zniavre__> dashua, http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5833/captureee.png
[16:04] <dashua> zniavre, Damn.  Alright.  I'll have to tweak it just a bit more.  Thx.
[16:06] <zniavre__> it make more yellow but it's a workaround
[16:07] <zniavre__> i saw also in gdm an issue with font color and button on the gdmbar in the bottom
[16:08] <zniavre__> i hav to reinstall a vbox karmic to screenshot gdm
[16:18] <zniavre__> dashua,  maybe do you know the way to do the progressbar yellow ?
[16:35] <zniavre__> dashua buttons also in the new ubuntu store are wrong
[17:05] <mac_v> kwwii: mat_t: Bug #443163
[17:06] <mat_t> mac_v: yeah, already in the works
[17:06] <mac_v> \o/
[17:18] <tgpraveen> mac_v: why should their be anything at all? in the mockups with no image it looks beautiful
[17:19] <tgpraveen> + the white ubuntu logo is already used in the
[17:19] <tgpraveen> bootup
[17:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen: huh?
[17:19] <tgpraveen> so using it again ...
[17:19] <tgpraveen> about ^^  Bug #443163
[17:19] <mac_v> tgpraveen: pls read my comment again ;)
[17:20] <tgpraveen> k. 1 sec
[17:21] <mac_v> tgpraveen: i'v also said to *not* use the icon as in the mockups
[17:22] <mac_v> tgpraveen: BTW,  you could have invalidated the -UNR and -Dark bugs :/
[17:22] <tgpraveen> oh i hadnt reead the report when i said that good that all of us agree ;)
[17:22] <tgpraveen> :)
[17:23] <tgpraveen> mac_v: oh invalidate i though u did that when u talked to me about that
[17:23] <tgpraveen> lemme do it now
[17:23] <mac_v> tgpraveen: too late ;p
[17:24] <mac_v> tgpraveen: waited half hr for you to do it ;p
[17:24] <tgpraveen> mac_v: ok.good work. will keep in mind in future
[20:11] <zniavre__> dashua can i keep your theme ? i m starting to like the color schemas
[22:28] <SiDi> kwwii: if you open firefox, type w/e in the url bar, there'll be a menu popping up with some suggestions from your history, made of entries consisting of a name in @text_color and an uri in blue
[22:28] <SiDi> if you wanna customize that blue (actually the one of default links on the web), you can via GtkWidget::link-color = "#foo"
[22:46] <Abooood> hey guys, I am a fan of windows style but ubuntu ( linux) lover so any ideas?
[23:44] <Viper550_> that x-based splash = awsum