[02:42] <Vantrax> can someone give me a quick hand with a bug?
[02:44] <Vantrax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpam-mount/+bug/117736 has a fix release with OpenSSH version 4.8, Karmic includes 5.1 (1:5.1p1-6ubuntu1)
[02:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 117736 in libpam-mount "pam_mount unable to unmount needs root priv" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:45] <Vantrax> libpam-mount still has not been fixed tho.
[02:47] <Vantrax> that will actually require a fix to SU.
[02:47] <Spidler> Any bug-wrangler here who can help me with a report?
[02:47]  * micahg will take a look in a couple of minutes
[02:47] <Spidler> I find Launchpad is doing everything it can to get in my way rather than let me file a bug.
[02:48] <micahg> Spidler: what package?
[02:48] <Spidler> micahg: That's what I don't know.
[02:48] <micahg> :)
[02:48] <micahg> ok
[02:48] <micahg> what's the bug?
[02:48] <Spidler> Update to 9.10 beta ate my md raid by running dmraid
[02:48] <micahg> during the upgrade?
[02:49] <Spidler> That wiped the partition tables on one disk, degraded it and sends mountall into a spin during bootup
[02:49] <Spidler> No, during second bootup afterwards
[02:49] <micahg> that's pretty bad
[02:49] <Spidler> Pretty much
[02:49] <micahg> what do you have configuring raid for you?
[02:49] <Spidler> Solution is to forcibly erase dmraid from the disk, rebuild the initrd, reboot,  and mountall still fucks up cause mdadm won't recognize the disks
[02:49] <Spidler> mdadm standard software raid
[02:50] <Spidler> But with 9.10 for some reason dmraid came in and was loaded first in the bootup
[02:50] <micahg> well, I'd say file it by ubuntu-bug mdadm
[02:50] <Spidler> Clobbered the raid detection, mdadm can't open /dev/sd[a-c]1 cause dmraid locks them
[02:50] <micahg> it can be moved if that's the wrong package
[02:50] <Spidler> And then you stand there with a broken raid
[02:51] <micahg> Spidler: if no one triages it in a couple of days, come back here and have someone look at it
[02:51] <Spidler> Doesn't help that mountall goes into a complete spin and restarts fsck.ext3 when it errors out with failure to run it without -p or -y  cause the filesystem is broken
[02:51] <Spidler> okei, will try to get a full coverage of the report
[02:51] <micahg> great thanks Spidler
[02:52] <Spidler>  argh
[02:52] <Spidler> ubuntu-bug should really ask for root permissions rather than fail to generate a good report
[02:52] <Spidler> and you can't copy the lines that are broken from the bug report tool either.  <.<
[02:52] <micahg> Spidler: ubuntu-bug shouldn't need root permissions
[02:53] <micahg> or should ask
[02:53] <micahg> what's the issue
[02:53] <Spidler> if it tries to run mdadm scan checks on /dev/sde1 and others (as per the report) and fails with status 1
[02:53] <micahg> Spidler: when you try to generate the report
[02:53] <micahg> ?
[02:54] <Spidler> MDadmExamine.dev.sdd2  : Error: command ['/sbin/mdadm','-E','/dev/sdd2'] failed with exit code 1: mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdd2: Permission denied
[02:54] <Spidler> And so on
[02:54] <Spidler> In the actual report.
[02:54] <micahg> yes, but is that from your syslog, or is it trying it now?
[02:55] <Spidler> It's from trying now
[02:55] <micahg> ok
[02:55] <micahg> please file another bug on that - ubuntu-bug mdadm
[02:56] <Spidler> I think that should be ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug, rather?
[03:03] <Spidler> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/442735 <-- example
[03:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 442735 in mdadm "dmraid /mdadm eats mdadm-managed raid in upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 beta." [Undecided,New]
[03:04] <Spidler> Re-filing it with root privs again to give proper debug info
[03:07] <micahg1> Spidler: sorry, where were we?
[03:07] <Spidler> I was filing bugs ;)
[03:07] <Spidler> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/442735  now
[03:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 442735 in mdadm "dmraid /mdadm eats mdadm-managed raid in upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 beta." [Undecided,New]
[03:08] <Spidler> You'll see the "failed with exit code 1 " a bit down,    I posted a second report about the bug reporter failing which contains the correct info.  Comment linked below that post.
[03:10] <micahg> great, thanks Spidler
[03:11] <Spidler> seems that others had the same back in -feisty times too,  mdadm+dmraid clobbering eachother
[03:17] <micahg> Vantrax: I didn't forget about you
[03:17] <Vantrax> lol
[03:17] <Vantrax> thats ok
[03:26]  * micahg is looking now Vantrax
[03:27] <micahg> Vantrax: so you're asking about an SRU?
[03:29] <Vantrax> SRU?
[03:29] <micahg> You want the fix for Jaunty?
[03:29] <Vantrax> would be good
[03:29] <micahg> So, click Nominate for Relase
[03:29] <Vantrax> bug is still active for SU, but SU isnt tagged to the bug either
[03:30] <Vantrax> libpam-mount does not have a bug
[03:30] <yofel> hey, is there any consensus how to handle bugs reported abou the messages between grub and xsplash?
[03:32] <micahg> Vantrax: I'm sorry, I don't know enough about this to say one way or the other
[03:32] <Vantrax> he he he, how do i add su to the bug
[03:32] <micahg> it's in the login package
[03:33] <micahg> but are you sure it's the same bug
[03:33] <Vantrax> su is actually where the problem remaining is coming from, not libpam-mount
[03:33] <Vantrax> its the same one
[03:33] <Vantrax> Ive just been digging through it for a similar situation at work
[03:33] <Vantrax> SU has a known problem with that situation
[03:33] <Vantrax> it calls the login options as root, and the logoff ones as user
[03:35] <micahg> Vantrax: yes, but that's not a problem with su
[03:35] <micahg> Vantrax: sorry, I read a little more
[03:36] <Vantrax> let me rephrase, if you su to a user it does the login actions for mounting the drive/folder as root, then when it has the 'end session' flag it attempts to unmount as the user
[03:37] <Vantrax> this becomes problematic if you dont want the user to have write access to where it is mounted
[03:37] <Vantrax> and more problematic when there are up to 5k users >.<
[03:37] <Vantrax> not sure how that would go into the job..
[03:38] <micahg> Vantrax: well, upstream still considers it a problem with pam
[03:38] <Vantrax> yeah...
[03:38] <micahg> so I wouldn't change the package until the PAM upstream task is closed
[03:38] <Vantrax> ok
[03:38] <micahg> they say they still need a fix
[03:39] <Vantrax> ill let it be, if noted it in the comments that it is SU not libmount
[03:39] <micahg> Vantrax: if you want more updates, I suggest subscribing to the upstream PAM bug
[03:40] <Vantrax> which one is that?
[03:40]  * Vantrax is still learning launchpad
[03:40] <micahg> Vantrax: https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=926
[03:40] <micahg> one at the top
[03:40] <ubot4> bugzilla.mindrot.org bug 926 in PAM support "pam_session_close called as user or not at all" [Normal,Assigned]
[03:40] <micahg> you'll have to go to their site and register and subscribe
[03:40] <micahg> cd ..
[03:40] <micahg> oops
[03:41] <Vantrax> ahh, i looked at that one, they are only looking at the openssh issue, which is resolved
[03:41] <Vantrax> even in the comments in that job they say that
[03:42] <Vantrax> they are leaving it open because changes to PAM generally dont end well...
[03:42] <micahg> the last comment says that they're researching it further
[03:43] <micahg> because it still doesn't work
[03:43] <Vantrax> yeah, they added another bug:P
[03:43] <Spidler> Okeis. I'm heading to bed and hoping my raid will recover
[03:44] <Vantrax> Now that the session is opened in the monitor, the session modules can't interact with the user.  On the flip side, the session close now runs with  privilege.
[03:44] <Spidler> micahg: Added some more notes on the posts, seems debian was also fiddling with pretty much the same issue during the summer.
[03:44] <Vantrax> so it unmounts, but the user cant interact with session modules
[03:44] <micahg> Spidler: great
[03:44] <Spidler> Not so great as it appears that if this ships as-is you will have a few more cases of "ubuntu ate my harddrive" if I read the reports right
[03:45] <micahg> Vantrax: you might get better help with the specifics for the fix in #ubuntu-motu :)  we just do triage here
[03:45] <Spidler> Appears that previous installations of factory computers came with fakeraid setup on the main harddrive in single drive mode.
[03:45] <Vantrax> lol:P
[03:45] <Vantrax> likely
[03:45] <Spidler> Previous versions of ubuntu would shrink that, add new partitions and be happy.
[03:45] <micahg> Spidler: that's why you have to follow up in a few days to make sure that it doesn't ship as is :)
[03:46] <Spidler> Current version will recognize the fakeraid , hide those and lock it, preventing them from being mounted
[03:46] <Spidler> micahg: Well,  Basically you're lucky I'm experienced enough to debug the problem and get my data back, or I'd be yelling all over forums about how *buntu ate my data! ;)
[03:47] <Spidler> ( And that I'm insomniac and decided to test the beta "for fun" ;)
[03:47]  * micahg just volunteers here...
[03:47] <Vantrax> time to go poke nhandler
[03:47] <Spidler> *grin* Good enough :)
[03:47]  * nhandler looks in
[03:47] <Spidler> I'll poke back on it to see that it won't kill my machine again.
[03:47] <Vantrax> yay
[03:47]  * micahg upgraded to beta last week
[03:47] <Spidler> Gnite
[03:47] <Vantrax> can you read up and advise
[03:48] <nhandler> Yeah, give me a few minutes
[03:49] <Vantrax> ive been spending the last to weeks porting our linux auth to ADS from NDS and getting it to mount networked storage on login
[03:50] <Vantrax> found the SSH issue, and the current patch gets around not unmounting via ssh but places the session process as root so the user cant interact with it
[03:51] <Vantrax> so that should be put to 8.04 onwards
[03:52] <Vantrax> but SU still has and issue (so if you SU to a user, it still tries to unmount as user, but mounts it as root so you get a permission error)
[03:58] <nhandler> So Vantrax, what are you trying to do? Or are you just trying to find someone to fix the bug?
[03:58] <Vantrax> im not sure that its even been identified that SU has the problem.
[03:59] <Vantrax> its tagged to libpam-mount which is fine
[03:59] <Vantrax> A co worker even dug through the pam-mount code to find the bug
[04:00] <Vantrax> (hes a little more dedicated than me)
[07:07] <jacktow> bug #442828 seems to be a feature request - please change its status to wishlist
[07:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 442828 in ubiquity "installation does not work for left-handed users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442828
[07:10] <micahg> thanks jacktow
[07:10]  * micahg updated it
[07:58] <thekorn> good morning
[08:06] <andol> Where would a good place be to file a bug, suggesting an update to http://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/ ?
[08:08] <micahg> andol: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page
[08:09] <andol> micahg: thanks
[08:25] <Michalxo> hello
[08:25] <Michalxo> Does anyone know how/where to turn off sound on gdm login?
[08:26] <micahg> Michalxo: which version of Ubuntu?
[08:26] <Michalxo> karmic
[08:26] <micahg> Michalxo: try #ubuntu+1
[08:26] <Michalxo> none responds me there :-(
[08:26] <micahg> really, maybe just the hour
[08:27] <Michalxo> ok thx
[08:27] <micahg> you should be able to get a response in a few hours
[08:27] <Michalxo> ps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/429249
[08:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429249 in gnome-power-manager "[Karmic] keyboard locked/freezed unable to type anything" [Undecided,New]
[08:27] <micahg> people will be getting to work
[08:27] <Michalxo> I know.. this was just a blind shot.. that early
[08:28] <micahg> Michalxo: I had a similar issue
[08:29] <micahg> set the power button to suspend
[08:29] <micahg> and hit it after you resume
[08:29] <micahg> then hit it again
[08:29] <micahg> and the keyboard should be back
[08:33] <Michalxo> well.. I do log out/in :-/
[08:33] <Michalxo> i'll try your way :-)
[08:33] <micahg> Michalxo: yeah, had to do that on my amd64 machine
[08:33] <micahg> I'd consider it a bug :)
[08:33] <Michalxo> can you pls write there too?
[08:34] <Michalxo> maybe with more people they'll give it higher priority
[08:35] <micahg> Michalxo: well, if my workaround works, please edit the description and add it at the end
[08:36] <Michalxo> ok ;)
[08:36] <Michalxo> but it's bug anyway :-)
[08:58] <jacktow> Bug #442896 seems to be a feature request, please set its status to wishlist, thanks
[08:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 442896 in nautilus "'Places' pane and bookmarks only allows folders, not documents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442896
[09:02] <micahg> jacktow: done
[09:42] <Spidler> Anyone here who's decently good with filesystems?
[10:40] <maxstirner> having a bit of a nitemarish experieence on karmic, i do like going +1 early..
[10:40] <maxstirner> I get x hardware freezes I'm having a hard time finding the relevant bug/s for, could be due to the usb system also, luks containers arent opened automatically any longer
[10:40] <maxstirner> nautilus seems to have a hard time opening a window upon first launch after booting, i have to kill it usually
[11:04] <maxstirner> hm
[11:04] <maxstirner> any ideas how i could troubleshoot these hardware freezes?
[11:36] <speculatrix> has anyone reported that the openoffice security update .deb files for amd64 are zero bytes long? http://ubuntu.taptu.com/security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/
[11:36] <speculatrix> I'm referring to openoffice.org-core_2.4.1-11ubuntu2.2_i386.deb04-Oct-2009 04:04    0  openoffice.org-core_3.0.1-9ubuntu3.1_amd64.deb04-Oct-2009 04:04    0  openoffice.org-core_3.0.1-9ubuntu3.1_i386.deb04-Oct-2009 04:04    0
[11:38] <speculatrix> can't find a but report that mentions it
[12:21] <speculatrix> I raised an issue on launchpad given the lack of response.
[12:56] <jdstrand> speculatrix: it is a problem with the mirror. the official one is fine: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/
[14:31] <choman1> anyone here?
[14:33] <yofel> choman1: yes
[14:34] <choman1> Have you heard of any Dell D600 issues?
[14:34] <choman1> specifically with karmic
[14:35] <yofel> choman1: well, there are issues with several hardware, don't know about D600. But you should have a better chance to get some info in #ubuntu+1
[14:36] <yofel> choman1: as long as it's karmic related
[14:36] <choman1> i check there, danka
[14:36] <choman1> it is, jaunty works fine
[15:02] <wild_oscar> I have a doubt: on karmic, if I have an nvidia card (I have an Ion), shouldn't it appear on the "restricted drivers"?
[15:22] <yofel> !karmic | wild_oscar
[15:22] <ubot4> wild_oscar: Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 29th, 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[15:26] <wild_oscar> oh, ok
[15:26] <wild_oscar> cheers
[15:32] <slacker_nl> hello, against which package do I need to report a bug for packages installed by the minimal installation CD?
[15:34] <slacker_nl> grrr, i hate it that they removed the report a bug feature on lp
[15:36] <yofel> slacker_nl: hm... not sure, but you could check if they were installed by the ubuntu-meta package (e.g. ubuntu-minimal -standard -desktop)
[15:40] <slacker_nl> yofel: i read some other bug report, think I will file it against debian-installer
[15:41] <slacker_nl> mainly based on this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/57863
[15:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 57863 in debian-installer "Ubuntu should have a floppy/network install option like Debian" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[15:41] <yofel> that might be an option too
[15:42] <slacker_nl> ahh man
[15:43] <slacker_nl> i'm ok with pushing people to apport
[15:43] <slacker_nl> but PLEASE allow me to use lp directly to report bugs
[15:43] <slacker_nl> i'm redirected to a wiki
[15:44] <yofel> slacker_nl: yes, that's the new way, why do you want to not use ubuntu-bug ?
[15:45] <slacker_nl> yofel: pretty impossible if you're not running on ubuntu.. ;)
[15:45] <yofel> slacker_nl: true, there should be a no_redirect option explained on the wiki page
[15:49] <slacker_nl> yofel: found it
[15:49] <slacker_nl> but it is anoying
[15:50] <jcastro> pedro_: bdmurray: openweek sessions still open
[15:50] <jcastro> I know you each want one, stop hiding from me.
[16:11] <slacker_nl> yofel: how can one respond to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/IncreaseApportAdoption?
[16:14] <yofel> slacker_nl: how do you mean respond?
[16:14] <slacker_nl> yofel: give my feedback :)
[16:15] <yofel> slacker_nl: I guess contact somebody from the QA team, like bdmurray for example
[16:20] <bddebian> Boo
[16:24] <slacker_nl> yofel: k, will do
[16:24] <davmor2> slacker_nl: the thought behind it is it means you get better bug reports from new users that have more relevant information in them.  Also the fact that by simply adding the no_direct text meant that dev, bug triager, testers that use the system regularly and know what the devs require can still access the system directly
[16:25] <davmor2> if it was down to a button then everyone would click so it needed to be something you added manually
[16:26] <BUGabundo> bddebian:  long time no do: FOOO
[16:26] <slacker_nl> davmor2: i know why it is done, although I don't like being redirected from LP to a wiki when I want to report a bug :) I could add a bookmark to submit it via the new way (or they should implement some kind of karma threshold so it allows you to submit bug reports directly)
[16:29] <slacker_nl> it feels like drm, when you download something you don't have any fuzz with copy protection, when you buy something you need to do all kind of tricks just to play a cd or dvd
[16:29] <slacker_nl> eitherway
[16:29] <slacker_nl> i'm going home
[16:29] <bddebian> BUGabundo: :)
[16:34] <BUGabundo> bddebian: must been months since I did that
[16:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:34] <bddebian> Heh, aye :)
[16:37] <BUGabundo> I guess I'm no longer online on the time/date you do it :)
[16:38] <yofel> slacker_nl: if you're really interested, somebody even reported bug 443183 about it
[16:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443183 in ubuntu "launchpad link "report a bug" does not work, redirects to info page instead" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443183
[17:17] <yofel> that reminds me
[17:17] <yofel> !bugs
[17:17] <ubot4> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:17] <yofel> shouldn't somebody change this to add the no_redirect line to the lp link?
[17:20] <hggdh> yofel, yes indeed. bdmurray ^^
[17:22] <bdmurray> personally I'd prefer if people read the reportingbugs wiki page to find out about no-redirect
[17:24] <yofel> bdmurray: yes, but that's still not what 'if that fails, you can report bugs manually at ...' indicates
[17:24] <hggdh> bdmurray: yes, but still we should be clear on what will happen
[17:29] <hggdh> like "if that fails, please follow the instructions at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug ...
[17:48] <slacker_nl> yofel: I've added a comment in that bug report
[18:26] <yofel> hm, do we have any tag that identifies boot issues? we have ones for suspend etc. but I can't find anything for a clean boot
[18:26] <yofel> or more precisely: what can one do to help with a bug like bug 443248
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443248 in ubuntu "Alpha6/beta don't boot " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443248
[20:05] <saxofoner> w00t my first bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/443394
[20:05] <saxofoner> I don't get the fancy gray boot screen
[20:05] <ubot4> saxofoner: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[21:04] <yofel> hm... why is bug 443394 set to incomplete? o.O
[21:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443394 in linux "ubuntu-boot-experience" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443394
[21:15] <hggdh> good question
[21:19] <hggdh> seems Monkey does not follow the procedures
[21:21] <hggdh> but, OTOH, what is the problem there?
[21:23] <yofel> hggdh: that's what I'm asking myself too, I don't see how the bug is incomplete
[21:24] <hggdh> well, the bug *should* be set to incomplete, and the reporter asked for what is the issue. But Monkey should not have just changed the status without asking
[21:25] <micahg> hggdh: could be the user slipped with the new AJAX edit feature for status
[21:25] <hggdh> hum.Yes, possible...
[21:26] <hggdh> but then the bug seems to have been hijacked by another user ;-)
[21:29] <hggdh> but now it is indeed incomplete
[21:40] <yofel> hggdh: I think that bug report is about http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta#Boot%20Experience
[21:41] <hggdh> yofel: I agree, it sounds like. But what is the reporter trying to state? Some lines are displayed on the screen before [ux]splash take over?
[21:41] <hggdh> or what?
[21:42] <yofel> hggdh: yes, seems like it, and the "boot experience" section sound like they want bugs like this
[21:42] <hggdh> yofel: they want just the output of 'ubuntu-bug linux' with no comments?
[21:43] <yofel> usplash managed to start immediately, but since xsplash has to wait for X people in ubuntu+1 are constantly complaining about the "annoying" text
[21:44] <hggdh> yes, I understand, and I have seen that. But this is not described in the bug. My point is -- what is the bug about?
[21:44] <hggdh> so -- for example -- I can run 'ubuntu-bug linux' and open a bug with a title "Ubuntu boot experience" and leave it this way?
[21:45] <bdmurray> there should be a picture, video or information about the messages you saw during boot
[21:46] <bdmurray> see bug 443102 for a better example
[21:46] <hggdh> thank you, Brian.
[21:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443102 in linux "Messages during boot process on Ubuntu 9.10 Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443102
[21:47] <yofel> bdmurray: ok, thx. Is there a place one could read more about this?
[21:48] <bdmurray> Is http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta/#Boot%20Experience sufficient?
[21:50] <yofel> bdmurray: I read that already, wouldn't it have been better to at least add the package the bugs should be reported about? (Would linux be the right one?)
[21:51] <xteejx> Hi guys, I have just filed bug 444011, and thought I'd bring it to attention as it's getting fairly close to RC in a few weeks and "Software Store" is a new-edge feature over M$ hehe can anyone have a look see if any other stuff needs putting on the report please?
[21:51] <ubot4> xteejx: Bug 444011 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/444011 is private
[21:51] <xteejx> bug 444011, unmarked private oops :)
[21:51] <ubot4> xteejx: Bug 444011 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/444011 is private
[21:52] <bdmurray> yofel: it depends on where the message is coming from
[21:52] <xteejx> dont worry guys, apport seems EXTREMELY quick and has already duped it!!
[21:52] <xteejx> who put a rocket up the apport servers backside then?
[21:54] <yofel> bdmurray: so, if there is sufficient info like a screenshot, video or explanation with a demsg quote it's ok to confirm those bugs?
[21:55] <hggdh> and set the tag as requested
[21:55] <bdmurray> yes
[21:56] <yofel> ok, thanks for your time guys
[21:56] <xteejx> Guys, my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/444011 has a link to the duplicate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/443994 but it doesn't go anywhere??
[21:57] <ubot4> xteejx: Error: This bug is private
[21:58] <hggdh> xteejx: it resolves here
[21:58] <xteejx> apport seems to have retraced both my bug and the duplicate, but the original bug 443994 must be marked private....doesn't apport retrace set things to public?
[21:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443994 in software-center "software-center crashed with TypeError in _run_transaction()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443994
[21:58] <bdmurray> no not automatically
[21:59] <hggdh> xteejx: no, apport does not reset the private flag. Someone with authority has to do it
[21:59] <xteejx> hggdh, grrrr its ok now, I think LP is messing with me lol
[21:59] <xteejx> bdmurray, hggdh: ahh ok :)
[21:59] <xteejx> are you sure it doesn't do it automatically?             Apport retracing service          1 minute ago                                                    visibility:                       private → public
[22:00] <xteejx> although I myself done it, but I'm no longer bug control lol
[22:00] <yofel> xteejx: you mixed the comments up, it was bdmurray who set it to public
[22:00] <bdmurray> it does that for duplicates after removing redundant (and potentially private) information
[22:01] <xteejx> ahhhhhh i see :)
[22:01] <bdmurray> yofel: bug 443003 could use some more hardware info like what would be gathered with apport
[22:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 443003 in linux "boot message report - pci / usb / bios" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443003
[22:01] <xteejx> btw brian, karmic is looking really great, loving it so far, so well done guys, and brian and the bug team for keeping the bugs low :D
[22:01] <xteejx> just a lil thankyou :)
[22:02] <yofel> bdmurray: understood, will request it
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> seb128: we need to move the sounds from the freedesktop theme to the ubuntu one to get the sounds in empathy to work... as to how to do that.. i don't know
[23:12] <seb128> bcurtiswx, could you try to talk to Themuso about that?
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> seb128: he package manager of ubuntu-sounds?
[23:13] <seb128> bcurtiswx, yes
[23:17] <Buuntu> can I ask for mentoring here?
[23:18] <seb128__> bcurtiswx, sorry got disconnected, did you get my reply?
[23:28] <hggdh> Buuntu: yes, you can
[23:35] <micahg> we seem to be getting a lot of mentoring requests lately
[23:35] <hggdh> micahg: yes, we are starting a mentoring programme
[23:35] <hggdh> but we need volunteers ;-)
[23:36] <hggdh> (to mentor)
[23:39]  * micahg has offered to mentor firefox, but the people I mentor seem to not come back :(
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - your mentoring skillz are obviously so great that your mentees don't need to come back ;)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> or you scare them away :)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson
[23:41] <hggdh> LOL
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> he BUGabundo
[23:42] <hggdh> cheers chrisccoulson
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> hey hggdh
[23:42]  * micahg isn't bugaBOOndo :)
[23:42] <chrisccoulson> lol
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> wow, a welcoming party
[23:44] <BUGabundo> oh looki, bcurtiswx
[23:44] <BUGabundo> everyone is back
[23:45] <yofel> rare to see so much of us at once in this channel ^^
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> im surprised im here.. classes take up soo much of my time
[23:45] <BUGabundo> yofel: nod
[23:45] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: tell us that *after* you start a job
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> the thing is.. my school is my job
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> im a graduate student :P
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:46] <BUGabundo> but life _out side_ is worse
[23:46] <BUGabundo> take it from me :D
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> so therefore i have a job AND classes
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> so i trump you
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> oooh what now :P
[23:46]  * hggdh remembers the time as a student, and having the CS department as the home away from home
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> PhD ?
[23:47] <hggdh> nah, left before getting there -- and I *had* already been approved for the programme
[23:48] <bcurtiswx>  lol, i ask myself a lot why i decided to continue
[23:48] <hggdh> another research institution offered me 3x what I was being paid at my uni
[23:48] <hggdh> (and I was paid by four different sources there)
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> im paid enough to live... and free classes
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> im not going to complain
[23:58] <fale> hi