[00:14]  * thefinn93 is frustrated with the usually excellent support on IRC
[02:50] <XiXaQ> hello everyone. I thought I'd give Ubuntu One a go. I'm on Karmic. I'm able to connect on the web, but the desktop client doesn't seem to do anything at all. I'd appreciate some help.
[08:46] <FND> I just signed up for Ubuntu One - but when I select Connect in Nautilus (up-to-date Karmic beta 1 VM), it never finishes (stuck at "connecting")
[09:03] <aquarius_> FND, does the log in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log say anything that looks like an error at the end
[09:04] <FND> aquarius_: I've shut down the VM for now - will check tonight or tomorrow
[09:04] <aquarius_> FND, OK, cheers
[09:04] <FND> btw, I did some fiddling with a demo app
[09:04] <FND> for Desktop Couch
[09:04] <FND> (prompted by the conversation on your blog)
[09:05] <aquarius_> I saw your post to the mailing list, indeed!
[09:05] <FND> not sure whether it's helpful at all, but it was a good start for me
[09:05] <aquarius_> I'd like to talk to you about the details, if you have time :)
[09:05] <FND> I'm on my way out, but I'd be happy to discuss it tomorrow
[09:06] <aquarius_> coolness. Ping me when you're free :)
[09:06] <FND> will do - thanks
[10:44] <FND> aquarius_: would you mind posting your thoughts to the group - that way I can digest it and respond when I'm free
[10:44] <aquarius_> certainly
[10:44] <FND> (don't hold back, this is just a rough first cut)
[13:28] <FND> aquarius: the CouchDB startup issue I mentioned popped up again, on an up-to-date Karmic beta: http://pastebin.com/d28f1623c
[13:29] <aquarius> FND, ah, you might want to delete (a) your desktop-couch.ini and (b) desktop-couch.pid, in ~/.config and ~/.cache. We fixed a problem with those recently
[13:29] <FND> will try that
[13:31] <FND> it seems that worked
[13:31] <aquarius> excellent. We were writing incorrectly-capitalised information back to the file, and thus the stale pidfile never got marked as being stale :)
[13:31] <FND> on the pristine beta, this led to some HDD corruption (reported "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY" during reboot, fsck reported last mount time was in the future)
[13:32] <FND> I haven't rebooted this up-to-date system yet
[13:32] <aquarius> cor
[13:32] <aquarius> you get to talk to someone else about that :)
[13:33] <FND> it might be a general beta bug
[13:33] <FND> unrelated to DC
[14:24] <susscorf1> where can i find a bit more about how ubuntu one deals with data how private is stuff comunicated encrypted what statistics are gathered ...
[14:30] <joshuahoover> susscorf1: here is our privacy policy: https://one.ubuntu.com/privacy/
[14:30] <JanC> FND: the "last mount time in the future" problem is a known bug AFAIK
[14:31] <FND> great, thanks JanC - saves me the trouble of trying to isolate it
[14:33] <joshuahoover> susscorf1: i think we need to add an faq for the encryption part...short answer: we encrypt the transport of your data via ssl...we do not encrypt it in storage, but you can use local encryption (like karmic's support for encrypted home folders) to ensure your files are encrypted in the cloud
[14:58] <urbanape> morning, folks
[15:01]  * jblount waves from the dentists office
[15:01] <jblount> MEETING STARTS
[15:01] <jblount> Good morning everyone, the Ubuntu One Desktop+ developers meeting is here. Say "me" to report your status.	
[15:01] <dobey> lies
[15:02] <jblount> me
[15:02] <urbanape> me
[15:02] <teknico> me
[15:02] <dobey> me
[15:03] <teknico> also, MEETING BEGINS ;-)
[15:03] <rodrigo_> me
[15:03] <jblount> teknico: Thanks again! My short term memory must be on the fritz.
[15:04] <CardinalFang> me
[15:04] <jblount> I'll go ahead and get started, we'll let the others jump in as they come 'round
[15:04] <jblount> DONE: Hacking on web front end static redesign
[15:04] <jblount> TODO: Need to finish up static pages, finish changes to /files/ and get the one-branch-to-rule-them-all landed so we can get it rolled out tomorrow
[15:04] <jblount> BLOCKED: I have an appointment in a few minutes for some more dental stuff, will be back around in a couple hours
[15:04] <jblount> urbanape: Your turn!
[15:05] <statik> jblount, please deploy that one-to-rule-them-all on edge as soon as it lands so it can be tested today rather than tomorrow morning
[15:05] <urbanape> DONE: Decorated folders with some CSS if they've got shares already attached or underway.
[15:05] <urbanape> TODO: Get one-branch-to-rule-them-all approved and onto edge today. Hopefully.
[15:05] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:05] <urbanape> teknico, you're up
[15:05] <teknico> DONE: implemented the handling of the "me" record in the contacts web ui (#427807); compiled the travel expenses for the September Millbank sprint; reviewed the status of the contacts web ui work with statik
[15:05] <teknico> TODO: estimating the time needed to complete the contacts web ui with jblount and urbanape; updating the contacts web ui code to the sprint use cases (#440070)
[15:05] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:05] <teknico> next: dobey
[15:05] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Fixed #397749 and #401211 (bookmark issues)
[15:05] <dobey> ☹ TODO: #441039 (prefs 'crash'), Find/fix more bugs.
[15:05] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:05] <dobey> rodrigo_: su hablar por favor
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Removed notes/my account links from page when user is not authenticated. Continued couchdb-glib/evolution-couchdb GNOME inclusion discussions. Found missing consumer oauth key in production, tomboy syncing now working. Submitted tomboy fixed package to our beta PPA. Looked at UTF errors when storing notes in CouchDB
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. Simplify tomboy syncing config UI. API documentation for couchdb-glib. couchdb-glib API changes from Mikkel
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:06] <rodrigo_> (this includes DONE for Friday, I seem to have missed the standup)
[15:06] <rodrigo_> nobody next, right?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> ah, CardinalFang!
[15:07] <CardinalFang> DONE: Helped discover problem in proxying and OAuth.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> TODO: I should take notes about what I'm doing so I remember for these meetings.  Make sure couchdb.one.u.c is fully patched.
[15:07] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: datacenter is new to me.
[15:08] <CardinalFang> Is that all?
[15:08] <teknico> jblount, urbanape, later today we need to talk (as you can see from my TODO) :-)
[15:08] <urbanape> yup
[15:09] <urbanape> jblount, you really at the dentist?
[15:09] <jblount> urbanape: Yeah, hopefully I'll get called back soon. I'll be down 1 tooth in a little bit.
[15:09] <urbanape> eek
[15:10] <jblount> Insurance switching is making for weird appointments. Sorry about the timing.
[15:10] <urbanape> I got the css stuff sorted out. I'm annotating the tr that holds the icon and label.
[15:10] <urbanape> you should be able to get a decent selector to find them and apply a different icon.
[15:11] <jblount> Brilliant. I didn't get as far as I wanted to on Friday with the static stuff, but we should still be able to get this branch landed one edge today.
[15:11] <urbanape> swoot
[15:26] <vds> me (sorry was in a call)
[15:27] <vds> DONE: code review, still couchdb quota integration, discussed about compaction
[15:27] <vds> TODO: finish integration, file a bug for the work I'm doing as there is not one yet
[15:27] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:28] <aquarius> me (was in a call)
[15:28] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: working on DC-to-cloud replication; got net connection back; conference call with many people; discussed compaction with vds, thisfred
[15:28] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: DC-to-cloud replication; fix unknownloginerror; look at oauth-enabling twisted
[15:28] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:28] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 1
[15:34] <susscorf1> joshuahoover: thx for your anwnsers
[15:36] <joshuahoover> susscorf1: np :)
[15:39] <susscorf1> joshuahoover: but if i understand right, i have a encrypted hard disk, i need to encrypt my files again to make the content invisible to ubuntu one and others ?
[15:58] <jcastro> good morning ubuntuoners
[15:58] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:58] <jcastro> who wants to do some ubuntu openweek sessions on something cool
[15:59] <jcastro> aquarius did one for developerweek so he gets to sit one out. The rest of you are fair game!
[16:02] <dobey> what
[16:08] <statik> hi kenvandine, are we on for a desktop integration call today?
[16:08] <statik> (in 52 minutes)
[16:10] <kenvandine> statik, yes, i just sent the agenda
[16:10] <statik> sweet
[16:11] <J_Litewski> Or do I need to install a VM with Ubuntu on it to get my files onto my Windows computer?
[16:27] <statik> hi dobey: is there any work left on this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/434886 i was thinking that we just leave the duplicate launchers in place and no other work be done for karmic, but i don't know what you've planned on with ken.
[16:30] <dobey> statik: need to do a release still.
[16:31] <statik> ok, cool
[16:34] <dobey> i think humanity needs a new release for it too (i just added it to the bug as also being affected)
[16:35] <statik> thisfred, chad: any idea about ETA for the upstream couchdb 0.10 release, and what the amount of changes are between that and what we currently have in karmic (0.10.0~svn818859-0ubuntu1) ?
[16:37] <thisfred> statik: afaik the changes are bugfix only, and not too many. The ETA is hard to say, I think Noah just got one or two more bugfixes committed that he was waiting on
[16:43] <statik> thisfred, are they bugfixes that we consider must-have for karmic?
[16:44] <statik> thisfred, it might be good to mention on the couchdb-dev list something like "we sure would like to ship couchdb 0.10 rather than an svn snapshot, but we need the final package this week" or something like that
[16:45] <thisfred> statik: will do, and I don't think anything is absolutely critical to us, as we've not had any problems with (admittedly limited) testing of the desktop parts related to couchdb yet. chad / aquarius correct me if I'm even near wrong.
[16:46] <aquarius> as far as I'm aware, the couchdb that we're currently using on the desktop is fine for desktopcouch. chad may know differently.
[16:46] <aquarius> have to go out for a while, bbl
[16:50] <urbanape> man, I'm gonna be happy when one-branch-to-rule-them-all lands. So many bugs go byebye
[16:53] <statik> urbanape, i'm gonna be happy about it too!
[16:58] <thisfred> statik: msg to dev list sent
[17:02] <statik> yay
[18:39] <XiXaQ> is anyone able to use Ubuntu One with Karmic?
[18:40] <XiXaQ> the  Ubuntu One notification icon sais "Files updated.", but they're not available on the web service
[18:50] <statik> dobey: kenvandine mentioned that pitti wants one of the ubuntuone menu items to be removed, from either Internet or from Preferences. I've asked for a separate bug report from the bug on the emblem updates. i see that the two menu items are running different commands, but i don't know the internals.
[18:53]  * kenvandine is filing a bug for that now
[18:53] <dobey> statik: yeah. we have no other way to initiate the sign-up process outside of the menu item in internet. and removing it is a lot more work than just deleting the .desktop file, as we'd need to update instructions on the web site, etc...
[18:53] <dobey> plus somehow retrain people into going elsewhere to somehow start the applet
[18:53] <statik> kenvandine, i see the tomboy and evolution-couchdb uploads happened a few minutes ago, thanks!
[18:54] <statik> yeah we have docs on the website and tutorials etc
[19:02] <kenvandine> statik, dobey: please comment on bug 443342
[19:04]  * dobey doesn't know what to say :)
[19:05] <kenvandine> dobey, and in looking at that, i discovered bug 443345
[19:05] <dobey> kenvandine: you must have had an old version of the applet running
[19:06] <kenvandine> 0.96.0-0ubuntu1
[19:07] <dobey> kenvandine: if you try to change the prefs now with the applet running, do they change immediately?
[19:07] <kenvandine> nope
[19:07] <kenvandine> i just did it
[19:07] <kenvandine> they change the config file
[19:08] <kenvandine> but setting it to never show the icon doesn't hide it
[19:08] <dobey> the only ways i can think of that would cause it to fail is applet not running. old applet running. or dbus is failing
[19:08] <dobey> that is very odd
[19:08] <dobey> aka wtf
[19:08] <kenvandine> i just restarted the applet several times too
[19:08] <kenvandine> testing the behavior for that other bug
[19:10] <dobey> the more i use dbus, the more i lose any respect i had for it :-/
[19:36] <jamalta> dobey: why's that? just curious
[19:38] <dobey> jamalta: because it seems to be the casue of (and not the solution to) a large number of our problems
[19:38] <jamalta> dobey: ah
[19:43] <kenvandine> dobey, i just discovered follow_name_changes in dbus... makes a ton of suck go away
[19:43] <kenvandine> or it did in gwibber at least
[19:43] <dobey> ?
[19:44] <kenvandine> arg to get_object
[19:44] <kenvandine> so in gwibber, we had the problem if the daemon restarted the client couldn't talk to it anymore
[19:44] <kenvandine> the default is not to follow name changes, which seems dumb
[19:45] <kenvandine> follow_name_owner_changes = True
[19:45] <dobey> i don't think that's the problem
[19:45] <kenvandine> ok
[19:46] <dobey> it might help for some things, but i'm pretty sure that's not your problem
[19:46] <dobey> unless you're restarting the applet while the prefs dialog is open, and then trying to changes settings in that same dialog afterward
[19:46] <kenvandine> nah
[19:46] <kenvandine> it just made gwibber suck far less :)
[19:46] <kenvandine> i was really hating dbus for a while there
[19:47] <dobey> well i don't know what problems gwibber was having :)
[22:31] <brianchidester_> cgregan: ping