[00:28] <yuriy> Riddell, Sime: any idea what kmainwindow does that kdialog doesn't that supposedly makes the former work safely with python?
[00:30] <Riddell> it's  a mystery (I presume, else sime would have fixed it)
[00:30] <yuriy> I don't think i've seen the crash with userconfig, and that's a kdialog in standalone mode
[00:32] <yuriy> oh nevermind there it is
[00:32] <yuriy> so this must be new since 4.3 beta or so
[00:32] <Riddell> the pykde crash has always been there
[00:33] <yuriy> i certainly would have been banging my head against it 4 months ago if it was there
[00:34] <yuriy> and the earliest report is from beta 2
[00:38] <Riddell> it only shows itself if you  don't do other unspecified things  to  keep it happy
[00:42] <yuriy> :O last commit to kapplication: "Fix crash with gui-less apps."
[01:07] <yuriy> ok looked through some logs, don't see anything terribly helpful
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> PackageKit cannot install the update to fix the "cannot update" bug. Ironic. (bug 443025)
[02:08]  * JontheEchidna marks as duplicate and chuckles
[02:23] <lex79> kde starts in 7 hours in staging, and l10n in 18 hours IoI
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> Are the Kubuntu Doc guys in here?
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: nixternal and jjesse are your guys
[02:37] <DarkwingDuck> ty
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal, jjesse you guys around?
[02:41] <nixternal> yo yo
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> Hey nixternal :)
[02:42] <nixternal> howdy
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Question
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Standard for Docs
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> I've been talking to the #kubuntu-netbook guys to start doing the docs for them
[02:43] <nixternal> I don't think right now is the right time to do it, as the nebook project is going to be different when it is finally release for 4.4, and we are unsure upstream if the documentation standard is going to change...but I am sure it won't for 4.4
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Understood.
[02:44] <nixternal> it would be nice to start this one upstream though
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> However, GUI isn't going to change as much
[02:44] <nixternal> as for Lucid, my plan is to totally throw out what we have for docs now and start from scratch, because they are utter crap
[02:44] <nixternal> GUI has already changed in trunk
[02:44] <nixternal> not much, but there is more to add
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> Okay. I would like to toss my name in the hat to help.
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not a programmer
[02:44] <nixternal> especially now that you can switch between netbook view and the regular kde desktop view
[02:44] <nixternal> which is nice
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> But, This is something I believe in.
[02:45] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: oh without a doubt...you are going to be my main person now for docs on the netbook :)
[02:46] <nixternal> would be nice to get someone to take over docs eventually, as I have been doing them for 4 years now with jjesse...docs eat up to much of my time, so because of that they haven't gotten any love in a few releases..just very minor updates
[02:47] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: though, feel free to at least start the documentation for netbook...I would seriously start upstream with it if you could and do a manual there...though no matter which way you look, strings for docs are either frozen or damn near frozen now
[02:47] <nixternal> the person you want to get in touch with at KDE is...well you got lucky! me :)
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> :) Okay good.
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: is there a place to put all of this as I go along or, keep it on a personal server and talk via the mailing list?
[02:52] <nixternal> right now, just a mailing list
[02:53] <nixternal> or send it to me
[02:53] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, and what is the standard for docs?
[02:53] <nixternal> though, next week I leave for a month..but that won't hurt anything as there is much we can do anyways right now with the text
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> Okay.
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> Going to UDS?
[02:58] <nixternal> no I won't be going
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks for letting me help with the docs.
[02:59] <nixternal> no, thanks for wanting to help...we never get people wanting to help with docs :)
[02:59] <DarkwingDuck> I know Kubuntu and KDE tends to lack in that area
[03:21] <nixternal> who broke amarok?
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[03:23] <nixternal> I can't listen to my daapd box, last.fm
[03:23] <nixternal> this is not good!
[03:27] <nixternal> WHO BROKE AMAROK!
[03:27] <nixternal> ^^ JontheEchidna see I am bitching :)
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:28] <nixternal> screw it, I will just install ubuntu-desktop and banshee...MONO FTW!
[03:28] <nixternal> at least it works sometimes :p
[03:29] <nixternal> oh this one will be great
[03:29] <nixternal> IT WORKS IN ARCH LINUX!
[03:30] <yuriy> i wouldn't argue "MONO FTW" if Qyoto was as easy and complete as PyQt
[03:30] <ScottK> Sput: True.
[03:31] <yuriy>  /argue against
[03:33] <nixternal> so daapd and last.fm is broken in amarok
[03:33] <nixternal> I can listen to magnatune
[03:57] <dtchen> nixternal: last.fm is broken in banshee, so it and amarok are finally on par!
[04:01] <ScottK> Anyone else have the dragonplayer install fail using kpackagekit?
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> did the details box give any useful tracebacks?
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Is there anything like the Ubuntu Store in line for Kubuntu?
[04:02] <ScottK> The details box closed faster than I could read the error
[04:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: The log says "PackageKit: WARNING: Recursive dependencies are not implemented"
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> hmm... I ran in to a bug fixed by the latest packagekit in today's updates, unrelated to that though
[04:03] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: You mean a complete re-implementation of an Ubuntu unique package management system to replace one that is standardized and well thought of?
[04:03] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: No.  We'd have to have a good one to replace first to manage that
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:04] <ScottK> Also it's Software Center now.
[04:04] <JontheEchidna> We are too few in number to do that even if we wanted to, unfortunately
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> I noticed that kpackagekit lacks a browse function...
[04:05] <ScottK> kpackage kit lacks almost everything one would want in a package manager that isn't needed to install some random RPM you found on the net.
[04:06] <ScottK> Not the least of which is verifying the cryptographic integrity of what you are downloading and complaining mightily if something is up.
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> It reminds me of Gnome's synaptic
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> Only, worse
[04:07] <ScottK> Yeah, well people like synaptic.
[04:07]  * JontheEchidna never did
[04:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Has anyone ever shown up here and said nice things about kpackagekit?
[04:08]  * ScottK has never seen it.
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> never
[04:08] <ScottK> It actually has gotten people to fondly reminisce about Adept.
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> solid ol' adept....
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> It actually got a few crasher fixes for karmic
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> the only thing is the search sucks
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> the code's a bit scary, though. so nobody wants to maintain it
[04:11] <yuriy> what's wrong with the search?
[04:11] <ScottK> Slow
[04:12] <ScottK> It was the slowness of Adept's searching that motivated me to learn cli package management tools in the first place.
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> it's also bad at giving relevant results
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> I found the searching quite fast tbh, just inaccurate
[04:12] <ScottK> Yeah, but we all use Launchpad, so we're used to inaccurate results.
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> you have to be smart about your searches and not be naive enough to think searching for the package name would list it anywhere near the top
[04:13] <yuriy> hmm. I actually think adept 3 was on the right track mostly (though the code was getting a little scary to navigate already)
[04:13] <yuriy> but it needed more people working on it and that's where that problem comes in
[04:13] <ScottK> Also Adept 3 competes nicely with lacking package authentication stuff (Adept 2 had it)
[04:13] <DarkwingDuck> I've discovered that using apt-get mixed with repositories site is the best way to find software
[04:14] <ScottK> Of course it's also an imcomplete beta, so it's hard to be too critical of it.
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> actually, mornfall was ready to release it a bit after beta4 if no issues came up
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> but that was a rush for freeze, so who knows how complete it was
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> I think the UI could have used a bit of reorganizing, and the search improved, cryptography checking implemented  and it'd be a great package manager
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> but the code's scary and there aren't enough people
[04:16] <ScottK> BTW, just tried to install adept using kpackagekit and kpackagekit kindly protected me from the risk of installing unsigned packages by crashing.
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> and mornfall didn't really have time to maintain it before he stopped
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> I wish I was a programmer to get a new one started.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> kpackagekit does warn of unauthentic packages now... after you've finished the installation
[04:17] <yuriy> the code was really not that scary compared to adept 2 though. the GUI classes didn't double inherit from some template class.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> a tray icon with about 3 options in the context menu shows up
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> click the right one and a generic "messages from your package manager on high" comes up
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> giving you a message about unauthenticated packages, followed by a list
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> why can't the software center be adapted for KDE?
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> it's heavily tied to GTK plus we don't have the resources to do it
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> Ubuntu has several Canonical employees working on it iirc
[04:18]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> fully backed by a Canonical-supported design team
[04:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: "Guess what, you've been owned" is not a very friendly design
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: agreed
[04:19] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Most of the work they've done is not stuff we want.
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> which is why I made sure the bug didn't get closed yet
[04:19] <yuriy> DarkwingDuck: the hope with packagekit was that there'll be enough people from other distros working on it for it to be maintained and high quality
[04:19] <DarkwingDuck> yeah. But, we 'need' something
[04:20] <yuriy> so far that doesn't seem to have happened. though it's not that bad, it's not ready either
[04:20] <nixternal> dtchen: I think it has to do with the subscription crap in last.fm
[04:20] <nixternal> that is what the error at the bottom says at least
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: lastfm not working is thanks to the lastfm dudes. you gotta subscribe now, and any apps not using liblastfm will break in the near future
[04:21] <nixternal> that isn't true
[04:21] <nixternal> I don't have to with my CLI app
[04:21] <nixternal> it just works
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> do they use liblastfm?
[04:21] <nixternal> only people outside of the N. America have to subscribe
[04:21] <ScottK> yuriy: Unfortunately not a lot of that effort is going towards Debian based systems.
[04:21] <nixternal> at least that is how it used to be
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> (this is what lydia said in a bug report)
[04:22] <nixternal> I take that back
[04:22] <nixternal> according to Last.fm, you don't need to subscribe in US, UK, and Germany
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> then why won't amarok play... grr
[04:23] <nixternal> dunno
[04:25] <ScottK> Is New Hampshire technically part of the US?  They still apparently believe in that freedom stuff up there, so i'm not sure.
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:25]  * ScottK has always loved the license plates
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Just like Texas is
[04:25] <nixternal> hrmm, now if you read the API docs, it then says "Any API account can only stream radio to Last.fm's paid subscribers."
[04:26] <nixternal> Live Free or Die
[04:26] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Nah, fewer taxes and lower taxes
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> Texas or NH?
[04:26]  * DarkwingDuck is in California
[04:26] <ScottK> first one of those should be guns
[04:26] <ScottK> NH
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> High taxes and broke state
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> Live free or have paved roads
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:26] <nixternal> lol
[04:27] <DarkwingDuck> NH where Mooses hump
[04:27] <nixternal> chicago has somewhat paved roads, except the parts when you can fall through all the way to china
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> they repaired a bridge in the woods on the way to the highway. They didn't bother to pave it.
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> too poor to pave a 20 ft section of bridge
[04:27] <yuriy> MA has been paving everything in sight
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, well of course the big 93 paving project is making all those roads that didn't need to be repaved repaved
[04:28] <nixternal> it kills me, Cook County, which Chicago is in, flat broke, yet they have the nicest cycling trails...DuPage County, one of the richest in the US, has the shittiest cycling trails
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> and even the backroads that are paved are real shitty
[04:28] <yuriy> except I-95. that's eternally under work with no noticeable change. every other road has been repaved twice in the last 6 months.
[04:33] <ScottK> So why does the package update icon in the taskbar go away even if I don't install the updates?
[04:33] <ScottK> Is that on purpose?
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we have an icon in the systray that notifies of new packages, only the KNotification
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> that tray icon is a useless toy showing that packagekit is currently doing something
[04:34] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[04:34] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:34] <ScottK> That would fit
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> I think you can access hidden dialogs for the things packagekit is doing... but really it's useless
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> a lot of the time it'll just give a 1x1 pixel menu
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> With Karmic, why do I continue to get Blocked updates?
[04:36] <ScottK> I guess I don't see the point of having kpackagekit if it can't even install basic updates.
[04:36] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:36] <ScottK> You'll find you get a new package added.
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> or removed
[04:36] <ScottK> Right
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> it should be able to handle new packages by now, btw
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> just not removed
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Scott
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: your adept error should be fixed with the latest packagekit-apt (0ubuntu5)
[04:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Ah.  Good to know.
[04:38] <ScottK> OTOH,  PackageKit: WARNING: Recursive dependencies are not implemented suggests adding new packages isn't all there
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> bug 436748
[04:38]  * DarkwingDuck wonders why he is DLing GTK+2.0 libs
[04:38] <JontheEchidna> er, oops
[04:39] <nixternal> nice
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> bug 438279
[04:39] <nixternal> amarok kills my daapd server :D
[04:39] <nixternal> that's why it wasn't playing
[04:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I'm installing just the pacakgekit updates and I'll try again
[04:40] <nixternal> so I have to load my daapd playlist, then restart daapd on the server then press play in amarok then go back and restart daapd on the server then press play in amarok
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> Mmm, interactive upgrade hooks look like a pain to implement
[04:43]  * JontheEchidna is thinking of splitting updatenotifierhelper into 2 kded modules, one for apport and one for restart notifications/upgrade hooks
[04:43] <ScottK> Doesn't even get to asking me for a password before it dies
[04:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: policykit installed?
[04:43] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: ya, last.fm pulled the plug on eveyrone
[04:44] <ScottK> I think so as when I just installed the one package, authentication worked
[04:44] <nixternal> so now, I am gonna start doing the pirate bay and stealing all types of music
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> I think on freenode it's "aquire"
[04:44] <JontheEchidna> *acquire
[04:44] <nixternal> except for stuff by sammy hagar, even though he could care less if you steal his music, as long as you are a fan :)
[04:44] <nixternal> no, I am not going to acquire, I am going to steal
[04:45] <nixternal> Richard Johnson of Chicago, IL USA is going to steal all of the music there is! Movies are next!
[04:45]  * JontheEchidna buys a datapark trailer from google and hooks up to tpb
[04:45] <nixternal> actually, if I seed, then I am not stealing, as I am just borrowing... :)
[04:45] <ScottK> I wish the kpackagekit error would last long enough for me to read more than the word error
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> .... This is interesting
[04:49] <nixternal> oh wow, what can't you get on pirate bay?
[04:50] <nixternal> oh, I see, shit without viruses...every comment is "IT HAS A TROJAN"
[04:52]  * rgreening wishes he could figure out why qt4-x11 4.5.3 refuses to make translations
[04:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger merged that in recently, didn't he
[04:53] <ScottK> There is no way we can recommend people use kpackagekit.  It's not even usable for relatively common upgrade situations.
[04:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no, this is something entirely different. THe qt build itself has .ts files that need to be built into lrelease-qt4 .qm files (qt translations)
[04:55] <rgreening> 4.5.2 works, 4.5.3 doesn't
[04:57] <ScottK> rgreening: I'd look in Debian pkg-qt-kde svn and see how they are doing.
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, this is a bit strange...
[04:58]  * DarkwingDuck wonders why software center was installed
[04:58] <rgreening> ScottK: got a url?
[04:58] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: yeah i think 2 modules is the way to go. the functions aren't really related
[04:58] <ScottK> Kids these days.  Everything has to be spoon fed.
[04:59]  * ScottK looks for it
[04:59] <rgreening> ScottK: well, if what you said was clear.... it wasn't immediately evident to what exactly you were suggesting
[04:59] <rgreening> or if it was relevant to my issue
[05:00] <ScottK> rgreening: I was suggesting looking in the Debian packaging team's svn and see if they have inspirational changes
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: this would also provide a convenient way for people to disable apport notifications (though it wouldn't stop apport from churning away collecting the crash data)
[05:00]  * rgreening isn't familiar with that 
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> since you can disable kded modules from system settings
[05:00] <rgreening> I tried seeing if they had a 4.5.3 build.. and couldn't fidn one
[05:02] <dtchen> ScottK: thanks for the pathfinder-pki heads up.
[05:03] <ScottK> dtchen: No problem.
[05:03] <ScottK> I was investigating nbs and the one (at least I thought) looked easy
[05:03] <ScottK> rgreening: It's not uploaded yet.  I'm looking in their svn
[05:03] <rgreening> ScottK: ty.
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> wha
[05:05] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine's binary is still lingering
[05:07] <JontheEchidna> because gtk-qt-engine-kde4 from the gtk-qt-engine source package that was removed depends on gtk-qt-engine
[05:08] <JontheEchidna> wait
[05:08] <JontheEchidna> oh, I accidentally requested a source-only removal
[05:09] <ScottK> rgreening: How about http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commit;h=3635de4f2c019746b364be0ef8a459a4dc4c6f11
[05:09] <ScottK> Does that look relevant
[05:10]  * rgreening is looking
[05:10] <rgreening> could be
[05:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It was also stuck in NBS until I got ichthux meta updated recently
[05:10] <ScottK> It still had rdepends
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> or because I never had kcm-gtk updated with a transitional package
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> like I meant to, which is why I requested source-only in the first place
[05:11] <ScottK> No, it had rdpends until txwikinger_work updated ichthux-meta and I got the old binaries removed
[05:11] <rgreening> ScottK: looks extremely relevant...
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok
[05:11] <rgreening> ty
[05:11] <ScottK> You're welcome
[05:11] <ScottK> rgreening: Make sure to give them credit in debian/changelog if that helps
[05:12] <rgreening> ya. fabo is awesome :)
[05:13] <nixternal> fabo is to damn smart for his own good!
[05:14] <JontheEchidna> heh
[05:16]  * JontheEchidna wishes they'd hurry up with https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27878
[05:16] <nixternal> twitter told me I can't talk about stealing music...I had about 100 people DM me with links on stealing music, movies, software, games, you name it
[05:17] <JontheEchidna> we gotta backport http://github.com/Arora/arora/commit/0032e7fc9acfba437739e41fca1a29702777c853
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> 0.10.1 almost makes me wish having it by default
[05:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: we have 0.10.1
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> I'm saying that I like it so much I almost wish konq wasn't default
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> anyway, it should be pretty safe sticking with konq. It's not making anything any worse at least
[05:21] <rgreening> ah
[05:21] <rgreening> yeah
[05:21] <rgreening> and arora is an option at least now
[05:21] <nixternal> chromium ftw!
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> I think if we had one release where something wasn't worse, that'd be great
[05:22] <rgreening> and maybe for 10.04 we can look at defaulting it...
[05:22] <rgreening> its come a long way
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> hopefully karmic can be that release
[05:22] <rgreening> hehe
[05:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nope.  IMO, package management is still not up to what we had in Hardy.
[05:23] <ScottK> Other than that I think we are doing pretty well.
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> I meant, worse than the previous release. getting everything to hardy levels would be even harder
[05:23] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> with 9.04 it was intel, networkmangler
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> and translations
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> all 3 should be better by far
[05:23] <ScottK> And kpackagekit
[05:24] <JontheEchidna> even that's a bit better, in me experience
[05:24] <nixternal> it's even better after you uninstall it
[05:24] <JontheEchidna> lol
[05:24] <rgreening> lol
[05:25] <JontheEchidna> if that packagekit fails updates bug hadn't been fixed the other day, I'd totally support reverting to adept for 9.10
[05:25] <nixternal> i would have supported reverting back to KDE 3.5.6
[05:25] <JontheEchidna> 3.5.10 not good enough for ya?
[05:25] <ScottK> I haven't tried it very many times, but I've never managed to get kpackagekit to actually do anything.
[05:25] <nixternal> that was a lie, no I wouldn't
[05:25] <rgreening> hahahah
[05:25] <nixternal> I never tried 3.5.10
[05:25] <nixternal> I stopped using kde 3 at like 3.5.8 I think
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> and then proceeded packaging alpha versions of kde4 by yourself and then blogging about it
[05:26] <nixternal> did I?
[05:26] <nixternal> I don't remember
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> I think that was you
[05:26] <nixternal> I thought I was just running trunk
[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: That was Vista.  I realize the crashiness of it might be confusing.
[05:27] <nixternal> if I don't get my google wave shit soon I am switching over all of my stuff to lycos
[05:27] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, maybe you are right
[05:27]  * nixternal proceeds to download windows 7
[05:27] <rgreening> nooooooooooooooo
[05:28] <rgreening> vista service pack lover
[05:28] <nixternal> windows 7 I have to admit is much nicer than the shit in the past
[05:28]  * JontheEchidna wonders if the visternal macro is still around
[05:28] <nixternal> it is
[05:28] <JontheEchidna> heh
[05:28] <nixternal> !nixternal
[05:29] <JontheEchidna> upgraded
[05:30] <nixternal> interesting, who upgraded it?
[05:30] <nixternal> I am getting a Mac anyways
[05:30] <JontheEchidna> macs are clicky-draggy
[05:30] <nixternal> seriously, mac users look so happy and cool sitting at starbucks drinking their lattes...i am envious...here I am an open source developer carrying around a 17" laptop that weighs as much as I do with a damn Chrome messenger bag
[05:31] <nixternal> I walk by cuz I can't afford the starbucks
[05:31] <nixternal> I get the old coffee at mcdonalds after 10, then it is only $0.75 for a large
[05:31] <JontheEchidna> http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/
[05:31] <nixternal> or $0.55..I can't remember, I can't even afford that
[05:32] <nixternal> oh lord
[05:32] <ScottK> nixternal: You too can look sleek if you carry the netbook around.
[05:32] <nixternal> ya, I need a lil pack for my netbook
[05:32] <nixternal> my Chrome messenger bag will carry a case of beer, ie. 2 12-packs of Goose Island with ease
[05:32] <nixternal> that's how I transport while on bike :)
[05:42]  * JontheEchidna sets arora to pbuild and goes off to bed
[05:46]  * ScottK heads for bed too.
[06:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: arora is in karmic are you backporting? or adding a patch or something else?
[06:42] <Kubuntiac> Anyone know if there's any plans on the splash screen front? I just filed a bug against xsplash, but it was thrown out because apparently we don't use it on Kubuntu...
[06:43] <Kubuntiac> Not sure what package to file against now, with no splash at all...
[07:05] <jussi01> !splash-#kubuntu
[07:05] <jussi01> hrm, not so useful
[07:48] <Nightrose> nixternal: JontheEchidna: _no_ third-party apps will be able to play last.fm streams if they use liblastfm (which they have to sooner or later)
[07:48] <Nightrose> it doesn't matter where you are
[07:49] <Nightrose> the exception is only for the websote and the official client as they pay via ads
[07:49] <Nightrose> *website
[07:49] <Nightrose> and the expection is only for the us germany and the uk as they are the ones where ads are feasabe
[07:49] <Nightrose> +l
[09:53] <Sput> Nightrose: oh, so even when you're in Germany, you can't play lastfm in Amarok anymore?
[09:53] <Sput> that explains a lot.
[09:54] <Nightrose> yes
[09:54] <Nightrose> but honestly if you like the service pay for it
[09:54] <Nightrose> it's not so expensive
[09:55] <Nightrose> and if you pay in $ it is even cheaper
[10:10] <Riddell> the  lastfm app still works fine and has no adverts
[10:56] <Mamarok> Riddell: are the 64 bit packages ready yet? I've seen 200+ updates
[10:59] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main
[10:59] <Riddell> Mamarok: in staging ^^
[10:59] <Mamarok> Riddell: just ping me when I should test then :)
[11:00]  * Mamarok has staging enabled anyways
[11:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: ping ping!
[11:02] <Mamarok> ok, testing :)
[11:03] <Mamarok> oh, updated langauge packages? nice :)
[11:16] <ghostcube> heh i think my kde ont boot today
[11:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: no errors so far, restarting KDE
[11:16] <ghostcube> :D
[11:16] <ghostcube> i missing 100 packages or so
[11:16] <ghostcube> :D
[11:16] <ghostcube> was to late yesterday to get them all
[11:32] <Riddell> Mamarok: any luck?
[11:33] <Mamarok> Riddell: yep, just logged in
[11:33] <Mamarok> I had problems with KDM though, had to kill it
[11:33] <Riddell> that's nothing  new
[11:33] <Mamarok> but that might still be due to the old 4.3.1
[11:34] <Mamarok> actually, it is, would need to try another logout, moment
[11:41] <Mamarok> Riddell: KDM logout doesn't work with 4.3.2 on Jaunty, it actually crashed, had to reboot
[11:42] <Riddell> wibble
[11:43] <Mamarok> well, it had to bekilled on logout with 4.3.1 already, sometimes crashed altogether
[11:44] <Mamarok> but else 4.3.2 runs fine :)
[11:44] <Mamarok> will Karmic ship with it?
[11:44] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Mamarok> great!
[11:45] <Mamarok> oook, back to cleaning up /home and rsync, /me wants to test beta
[12:36] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: patch for karmic
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: making the address bar not have the 1-pixel white bar under it
[12:39] <JontheEchidna> it works, and the progess drawing in the addressbar has a fancy gradient to boot
[13:00] <Riddell> 4.3.2 copied to  kubuntu  backports PPA
[13:03] <jussi01> Riddell: has it been in proposed already?
[13:03] <Riddell> staging, yes
[13:03] <Riddell> jussi01: are you able  to test it?
[13:03] <jussi01> hrm, ok. I thought it had to go to -proposed first.
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: krename uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[13:04] <jussi01> Riddell: unfortunately Im all on karmic now - except the girlfriends machine which I can update tonight.
[13:04] <Riddell> jussi01: it's just in the PPA, not in real backports
[13:04] <jussi01> oh, ok then :D
[13:05] <jussi01> Riddell: if you could pm me the details Ill make sure its installed and any problems reported here.
[13:05] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[13:32] <steveire> Are there daily build cds of karmic?
[13:32] <Riddell> ~dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires
[13:32] <Riddell> hmm, that didn't work
[13:32] <Riddell> steveire: yep
[13:32] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[13:33] <steveire> Is there a difference between daily and daily-live?
[13:34] <Riddell> daily is the text installer, daily-live is the live system GUI installer
[13:34] <steveire> Ok, cool. Thanks.
[13:34] <Riddell> ~indentica dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires
[13:34] <Riddell> kubotu: indentica dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires
[13:34] <Riddell> kubotu: you defeat me
[13:35] <micmord> bug 444512: what do you think about?
[13:44] <jussi01> ~identica dent does Riddell know whats wrong now?
[13:44] <kubotu> status updated
[13:45] <jussi01> Riddell: I suspect you werent identified.
[13:45] <jussi01> kubotu: help identica
[13:45] <kubotu> identica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)
[13:46] <ScottK> micmord: The netbook stuff is pretty dependent on compositing at the moment.  It'll be better in 4.4, so it's a valid point, but not something we can change in Karmic
[13:46] <ScottK> Although unusable is a bit strong.  I'll comment in the bug.
[13:47] <micmord> ScottK: i think the real problem is kpowerdevil that disable desktop effects when go down on battery charge
[13:48] <micmord> anyway alt+tab keys solves the windows brosing
[13:49] <ScottK> It does.  I mentioned that in the bug.
[13:50] <ScottK> It takes a very long time on my netbook for it to get that low, so I think it's not a major issue.
[13:52] <micmord> if you need high performace on low cost hardware... maybe kde isn't a right choice at all
[13:53] <micmord> anyway... I'm testing netbook edition on my asus eeeepc 901 and it works fine.
[13:53] <ghostcube> micmord: lol
[13:53] <ghostcube> yeah kde is hungry
[13:54] <Riddell> he said it's a  bug that'll get fixed
[13:58] <ScottK> micmord: The Intel Atom based systems we are primarily aiming at all support compositing quite nicely.
[14:08] <lex79> Riddell: patch for qt4, diff taken from bzr, http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/394059/qt4-x11.diff
[14:08] <lex79> rgreening: ^^
[14:08] <rgreening> looking
[14:09] <Riddell> holy guacamole that's a big diff
[14:09] <jjesse> that's what she said
[14:10] <lex79> I'm test building again for ensure
[14:11] <rgreening> lex79: apacheloggers changes should be fixed. he released 4.5.2 with those changes... check your changelog and the one in bzr again.
[14:12] <Riddell> lex79, rgreening:  have you seen dfaure's reply on release-team?  there's a patch missinhg in  4.5.3
[14:12] <rgreening> what patch?
[14:13] <Riddell> the catchy titled  d0d0fdb8e46351b4ab8492de31e5363ef6662b57
[14:13] <ScottK> Git FTW
[14:17] <rgreening> lex79: once you fix the changelog entry, I think this is good. I have reviewed the changes and nothing out of sorts.
[14:18] <lex79> rgreening: I worked on bzr, and I'm up to date...what's the problem in changelog?
[14:19] <rgreening> lex, look at your diff for the changelog and the faxt that qt4-x11 (4.5.2-0ubuntu6) doesn't exist anymore...
[14:19] <rgreening> s/faxt/fact
[14:19] <lex79> oh, right
[14:19] <rgreening> we released qt4-x11 (4.5.2-0ubuntu6) and thus the changelog...
[14:19] <lex79> :)
[14:19] <rgreening> fix that so we are in sync :)
[14:19] <rgreening> then commit.
[14:20] <ScottK> Having the actual changes fro ubuntu6 would be nice too.
[14:20] <ScottK> fro/from
[14:20] <rgreening> then Riddell can upload to somewhere so we can test build it and test build kde against it
[14:20] <rgreening> ScottK: they are in the changelog
[14:20] <rgreening> are you on a hunt?
[14:20] <ScottK> rgreening: No, just saying.
[14:20] <rgreening> It's under control
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ...under debian/control, amirite?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:21]  * rgreening had a glass of grumpy juice 
[14:21] <ScottK> OK.  Great.  I'll be offline most of today, so please don't break stuff while I'm gone.
[14:21]  * rgreening searches for breakables items...
[14:21]  * ScottK hands rgreening his ego.
[14:21] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:22] <rgreening> thats long gone .. Im married
[14:22] <rgreening> along with other items that used to be mine
[14:30] <lex79> ok changelog fixed, I'm waiting to finish my final test build
[14:30] <rgreening> ok lex79
[14:30] <rgreening> ty for working on this. :)
[14:31] <rgreening> I was going to beat my head silly today with it, and you saved me that grief :) haha
[14:32] <lex79> eheheh
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> i can haz sponsorz for bug 444557?
[14:38] <ScottK> nixternal: Congratulations.
[14:38] <ScottK> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_f802a7d79840b58a for those that didn't see.
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> nice
[14:44] <jjesse> what are we congrating nixternal for?
[14:45] <steveire> Installer error: http://img143.yfrog.com/i/snapshot1j.png/
[14:46] <steveire> I could only ctrl+alt+escape to quit the installer after that.
[14:46] <steveire> And now it won't start again.
[14:47] <ScottK> jjesse: Read the link
[14:48] <jjesse> didn't know how many people they were electing
[14:48] <ScottK> doko is going to fix the data corruption bug in xz-utils, so we don't need to worry about packaging the new upstream.
[14:48] <davmor2> steveire: known fault dude installer team are on it
[14:51] <rgreening> gratz nixternal
[14:52] <steveire> Damn.. I wish I'd known that before spending so long downloading it.
[14:52] <jjesse> congrats nixternal i thought he was trying to avoid ubuntu politics
[14:52] <rgreening> haha
[14:53] <lex79> rgreening, Riddell: I uploaded qt in bzr
[14:55] <steveire> Is there a workaround?
[14:55] <steveire> I tried the beta cd and that failed too.
[14:55] <yuriy> congrats nixternal
[14:55] <steveire> Also, I think it's very wierd that I have to select a partition type when I select the partition to use as my home directory. What happens if I choose ext4 and the actual type is ext3?
[14:58] <txwikinger_work> congrats nixternal
[15:03] <steveire> Does the alternate cd work?
[15:05] <Riddell> congrats nixternal, whatever we're congratulating you for
[15:05] <jjesse> read the link ScottK sent out
[15:06] <Riddell> ooh, our man in a place of power
[15:07] <Riddell> hi agateau, where have you been hiding?
[15:07] <Riddell> steveire: only one way to  find out.  what was wrong with  the beta?
[15:08] <agateau> Riddell: don't you read the news?
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: what, France was on strike again?
[15:08] <steveire> It craps out in the partitioning stage with an error that either the cd is bust, or my harddrive is.
[15:08] <agateau> My son arrived on month earlier :)
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: !
[15:08] <steveire> I decided to just get the latest and try that.
[15:09] <Riddell> agateau: congratulations to you too then
[15:09] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[15:13] <agateau> Riddell: is there any urgent fix you need?
[15:13] <ScottK> agateau: indicator stuff in Quassel is not working
[15:13] <agateau> Riddell: I am on paternity leave until the 15/10, but I can do some work
[15:14] <agateau> ScottK: what's wrong with them?
[15:14] <ScottK> agateau: Just doesn't work.  You can check and uncheck if it's enabled, but nothing happens
[15:14]  * ScottK has to run.
[15:14] <agateau> ScottK: ok, will have a look
[15:14] <rgreening> agateau: yeah, no more indication for Kmail here...
[15:14] <rgreening> :(
[15:15] <rgreening> kopete
[15:15] <rgreening> oops.. ignore that
[15:15] <agateau> rgreening: the attention thing we were talking about? or did 4.3.2 arrived and patchs need porting?
[15:15] <rgreening> 4.3.2
[15:15] <rgreening> so maybe needs patching?
[15:15] <rgreening> porting
[15:15] <Riddell> we didn't change any patches, they all applied
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> the patches still apply
[15:16] <rgreening> but doesn't work. do we need torebuild the libindicate?
[15:16]  * Riddell hasn't tested  it
[15:16] <agateau> rgreening: shouldn't be necessary
[15:18] <agateau> rgreening: so it works for kopete but not for kmail?
[15:19] <rgreening> hmm... dunno. cant check now. system hosed...
[15:21] <Riddell> "mkdir -p $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/qt4/translations"
[15:21] <Riddell> rgreening, lex79: why is that  needed, doesn't  qt make its own translations?
[15:21] <rgreening> Riddell: its from the debian team.. fabo...
[15:35] <Riddell> rgreening, lex79: so I should upload  qt now?
[15:36] <rgreening> lex79: ?
[15:36] <rgreening> Riddell: lex79 said he was rebuilding... but it did work on a earlier test... I would assume yes...
[15:37] <rgreening> Riddell: I reviewed the initial dif and saw no issues with it.
[15:37] <Riddell> it's not my favourite time of the cycle to be  doing merges
[15:37] <Riddell> but I'll just blame rgreening if it goes wrong
[15:37] <rgreening> Riddell: your call...
[15:37] <rgreening> lol
[15:37]  * rgreening will take it on the chin...
[15:37] <rgreening> lol
[15:38] <rgreening> Riddell: The main change required is the 11 patch and updated patches and the changes to rules...
[15:38] <rgreening> otherwise it won't build.
[15:38] <rgreening> Riddell: should we upload to kubuntu-ppa first to test against kde.4.5.3
[15:39] <rgreening> and get approval from kde team to use 4.5.3 against kde.4.3.2
[15:39] <Riddell> well I added  the  patch a dfaure recommended
[15:39] <Riddell> so we  should  just let it loose and see what happens
[15:40] <rgreening> lol
[15:40] <rgreening> then you share the blame :)
[15:40] <rgreening> haha
[15:40] <Riddell> I'll just blame dfaure :)
[15:40] <rgreening> lol
[15:40] <rgreening> good at transference I see
[15:40] <rgreening> just like a good leader should be
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> "Delegation > actual work"
[15:55]  * txwikinger_work wonders what JontheEchidna delegates and rapidly hides to not get into the delegation danger
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> hmm, not much, actually.
[15:57] <rgreening> hmm.. kopete is haning for me
[15:57] <rgreening> and causing plasma to not respond
[15:58] <Riddell> yuriy: did the KMainWindow trick fix apport-kde?
[15:58] <rgreening> rbt time...
[16:02] <yuriy> Riddell: couldn't get it to work yet. there are several dialogs, so I don't know if it would work. but just changing every KDialog to a KMainWindow in the py and ui (and opening/saving the ui in designer) was giving me errors
[16:02] <yuriy> oh right, the last thing was that a main window doesn't have the buttons kdialgo provides
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> might be easier to just port it to C++
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> actually, it wouldn't be too hard to just integrate into an apport-detecting kded directly
[16:07] <Riddell> mm, it would, it's not a completely trivial programme
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it might be a bit large to shove down a kded
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> but C++ KApplication wouldn't be a problem, the python script is < 500 lines
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> and it's not tied to any apport python classes
[16:09] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: apport-kde is quite tied to apport python classes actually
[16:10] <Riddell> yuriy: the problem is that it crashes  though?   does it get  fixed if  you have a separate KMainWindow (which doesn't do anything, it just  exists  to keep pykde happy)?
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> really? It just looks like a GUI to me. The only thing from apport it needs is a translation function
[16:10] <yuriy> Riddell: haven't tried that.. i guess if i don't show it that might work...
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> ah, nevermind
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah, no C++
[16:11] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: the GUI dialogs are set up (roughly speaking) as callbacks from common code
[16:12] <rgreening> yeah... its quite tied in
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> I missed the whole apport.ui import for some reason, eheh.
[16:12] <rgreening> so, anyone here going to UDS?
[16:12]  * rgreening looking for a bunk mate
[16:13] <yuriy> anyone going to UDS unsponsored?
[16:13] <jjesse> i'm debating whether or not i can make
[16:13] <jjesse> make it
[16:15] <rgreening> digikam beta 5 is out.. do we have it or is someone packaging (assuming we can upload.. we have an FFe?)
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> I think Lure wanted to do that at the last meeting
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if I could, another one to throw on the pile (bug 444557)
[16:19] <seele> lala
[16:19]  * seele plays hookey
[16:20] <lex79> Riddell: qt build fine here
[16:20] <lex79> can I upload to ppa ?
[16:20] <rgreening> indicator seems working again after updates today
[16:23] <nixternal> congratulations for what?
[16:23] <nixternal> OH YOU ARE CONGRATULATING ME FOR MY GOOGLE WAVE ACCOUNT!!!! ITS ALIVE!
[16:23] <jjesse> nixternal you won community council vote?
[16:23] <nixternal> oh, cool
[16:23] <jjesse> i thought you were staying out of ubuntu politics :)
[16:23] <lex79> rgreening: we should rebuild all kde packages against new qt in ppa? ninja ppa?
[16:24] <nixternal> how do you know I won?
[16:24] <jjesse> ScottK posted a link
[16:24] <nixternal> jjesse: now I am controlling Ubuntu Politics
[16:24] <rgreening> nm.. indicator still not pciking up kmail. it does for kopete.
[16:24] <jjesse> haha
[16:24] <jjesse> phear nixternal
[16:24] <nixternal> all liberals must die!
[16:24] <Nightrose> nixternal: do i get a hug now? ;-)
[16:24] <rgreening> lex79: would be a good test.
[16:24]  * nixternal hugs the hell out of Nightrose :)
[16:24] <rgreening> Riddell: suggestion on PPA ^
[16:24] <Nightrose> haha
[16:24] <rgreening> experimental?
[16:24] <jjesse> wow the hell out of
[16:25] <nixternal> I think Google Wave > CC Win
[16:25] <nixternal> haha
[16:25] <rgreening> though qt4.6 is in experimental...
[16:25] <lex79> rgreening: in experimental there is 4.6, yes
[16:25] <rgreening> lex79: so, cant use that PPA unless we delete qt4.6 from there... maybe ninjas is ok...
[16:26] <rgreening> nixternal: got an ivite to spare?
[16:26] <lex79> well, for now I'm going to upload to ninjas
[16:26] <rgreening> sure.
[16:26] <jjesse> is google wave actually cooL?
[16:26]  * jjesse doesn't understand the point
[16:29] <yuriy> so if I have a dummy kmainwindow, how do i close it? can't find the API for that
[16:32] <Riddell> yuriy: hide()
[16:32] <sebas> yuriy: if you have a pointer to the qapplication or kapplication around, you should be able to call quit() on that
[16:32] <sebas> Not sure if that's what you want
[16:33] <Riddell> lex79: I'm upload  to main archive
[16:33] <yuriy> sebas: any reason i need a pointer for that? why not QCoreApplication::quit()?
[16:33] <yuriy> sebas also if i never show the kmainwindow it hangs
[16:34] <yuriy> if i show and hide it it still crashes
[16:34] <lex79> Riddell: ok, so it doesn't necessary upload to ninja
[16:35] <sebas> yuriy: hm, dunno off the top of my head
[16:36] <Riddell> lex79: no
[16:36] <lex79> rgreening: we will break karmic !!! :)
[16:37] <rgreening> not me...
[16:37] <lex79> :P
[16:37]  * rgreening defers blame from Riddell to lex79
[16:37] <rgreening> :P
[16:45]  * JontheEchidna has no clue how to fix bug 425373
[16:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: probably the kpackagekit package needs fixed, then dpm pinged
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> The translations are directed to the right file: $XGETTEXT `find . -name \*.cpp` -o $podir/kpackagekit.pot
[16:47]  * dpm is on a sprint this week, please ping me again next week if I'm not responsive
[16:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do  you know if kpackagekit looks for  that translation domain?
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> yes, I checked that too
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> renaming the .mo to be non-camel case fixes it
[16:50] <Riddell> so it's just a case of poking someone at rosetta, I guess  e-mail is  best if they're doing a sprint
[16:53] <JontheEchidna>                      "kpackagekit", // DO NOT change this catalog unless you know it will not break translations!
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's lowercase
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> maybe it was upper case in the past and needs changing in rosetta
[16:53] <Riddell> right, that's just it
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> cool
[16:53] <Riddell> networkmanager is probably the same
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> networkmanager is actually pretty well translated aside from the connection manager dialog
[16:54] <Riddell> the kcontrol modules weren't last I looked
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's the issue. The applet itself is fine though
[16:54] <steveire> Riddell: The alternative cd did install sucessfully on my laptop. The only problem is that it would not use my existing home partition as /home
[16:55] <steveire> How do I make it do that now?
[16:55] <Riddell> steveire: why would it not allow that?
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> To whom should I direct my rosetta email?
[16:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: dpm and arne I'd say
[16:55] <Riddell> ArneGoetje
[16:56] <steveire> I went to configure manually, and when I selected that partition and the "use as
[16:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: CC kubuntu-devel
[16:56] <steveire> " or somthing like that, nothing happened.
[16:56] <steveire> Anyway, can it be fixed?
[16:56] <Riddell> steveire: you  have quite a habit of breaking our poor installers
[16:56] <steveire> This is the fourth one I've tried in the last week.
[16:57] <steveire> I've finally removed windows from this laptop too, which means no more kde on windows for me.
[16:57] <Riddell> steveire: you need to edit fstab "/dev/sda3  /home           ext3    defaults        0       2"
[16:57] <Riddell> or work  out  what the UUID is, not sure how you do that
[16:58] <Riddell> lshal will know
[17:00] <steveire> This gives it to me: http://www.unixtutorial.org/2009/01/list-drives-by-uuid-in-ubuntu/
[17:03] <steveire> I still get a lot of drm_fill_in_dev type warnings.
[17:03] <steveire> and drm:intelfb_restore
[17:04] <steveire> Right now I have /dev/sda5 primary superblock features different from backup, check forced., and nothing is happening.
[17:06] <Mamarok> nixternal: congratulations :)
[17:06] <nixternal> thanks!
[17:06] <steveire> That finished up anyway.
[17:07] <steveire> There used to be output with that kind of thing. Anyway, it uses my /home now and my kwallet still has the important stuff inthere.
[17:08] <steveire> Now it's trying to start the akonadi server. Eeep!
[17:10] <steveire> I think xorg is taking 100% cpu. Can I stop that?
[17:12] <Riddell> steveire: did you mount /home on a running system?  I'd recommend rebooting for that
[17:12] <steveire> I rebooted, yes
[17:12] <steveire> Now Xorg takes 100% cpu and the system is unusable.
[17:13] <steveire> There's no xorg.conf to edit the driver or anything.
[17:13] <Riddell> hmm, not my area, maybe tseliot has ideas
[17:15] <tseliot> steveire: is it bug #439138 ?
[17:15] <steveire> I've just googled and found that too. Reading
[17:15] <Riddell> rgreening, lex79:  arse https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.3-0ubuntu1/+build/1278415/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.qt4-x11_4.5.3-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:16] <steveire> I'm not using an SSD anyway.
[17:17] <steveire> Now update-apt-xapi is taking 100% and I haven't touched it since.
[17:18] <steveire> How do I restart X without ctr+alt+bkspace?
[17:20] <steveire> I have no idea what graphics hardware I have even
[17:20] <lex79> Riddell: weird, build fine with pbuilder
[17:25] <tseliot> steveire: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap
[17:26] <steveire> Thanks
[17:29] <steveire> Riddell: I would say I'm seeing that bug, but it was marked as invalid two hours ago, though that doesn't make any sense to me.
[17:40] <Quintasan> hiho
[17:54] <Lure> nixternal: congrats!
[17:55] <Tm_T> nixternal: I can feel your pain
[17:59] <Quintasan> sup?
[17:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: max was glad the package was done
[18:00] <Riddell> hopefully he'll stop hassling us now :)
[18:00] <steveire> Kubuntu comes with twisted preinstalled now?
[18:00] <steveire> That's very interesting.
[18:00] <steveire> What depends on it?
[18:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm glad :D
[18:01] <steveire> I mean in the default install. I don't think rdepends tells me that.
[18:02] <steveire> It looks like ubuntuone uses it, but kubuntu doesn't seem to have that installed.
[18:04] <Riddell> steveire: we  don't have  an ubuntu one client
[18:04] <steveire> Oh, I guess it got installed because I installed ipython
[18:04] <steveire> (one of the first things I do on a new system)
[18:05] <steveire> This xorg 100% bug is very annoyng.
[18:05] <steveire> Anyway, I'm away. Thanks.
[18:09] <Nightrose> nixternal: !!!!
[18:09] <Nightrose> wave has been working really well so far for me
[18:09] <Nightrose> now you show up and it's all b0rked :D
[18:09] <Nightrose> I see a connection!
[18:10]  * JontheEchidna wishes he had wave like all the cool kids
[18:10] <Riddell> my invite never arrived
[18:11] <nixternal> lol
[18:11]  * rgreening never got one..
[18:11] <nixternal> i broke the wave!
[18:12] <rgreening> tidal
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks for the sponsor
[18:16] <Riddell> thanks for the  fix JontheEchidna
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> If the archive reorg actually happens then I guess I won't need too many sponsors in the future
[18:18] <rgreening> Riddell: who got sponsored for kubuntu? Is there a list somewhere? :)
[18:18] <rgreening> s/for/from/
[18:18]  * JontheEchidna was talking about a bugfix sponsor btw
[18:18]  * rgreening realized that
[18:18] <rgreening> :)
[18:18] <Quintasan> rgreening: AFAIK you should recive information on email
[18:18]  * rgreening is curious
[18:18] <rgreening> I got mine...
[18:18] <rgreening> I was looking for who else
[18:18] <rgreening> :)
[18:19] <Quintasan> rgreening: I'm in queue unfortunately :S
[18:20] <rgreening> ah... so awaiting... potential...
[18:23] <NCommander> ***********
[18:23] <NCommander> Riddell, you around?
[18:23] <Riddell> NCommander: hi
[18:23] <NCommander> Riddell, we have a problem. We are shipping sip4, which has a licensing issue
[18:23]  * NCommander is finding the bug
[18:24] <NCommander> (er sip 4 4.8.2)
[18:24] <rgreening> oh no...
[18:24] <Riddell> oh yes we need to  update that
[18:24]  * NCommander is a sip4 maintainer
[18:24] <Riddell> 4.9 is out and it's GPL
[18:24] <NCommander> Riddell, updating sip4 will cause an ABI break
[18:24] <NCommander> Its not a trivial issue
[18:24] <Riddell> fooey
[18:24] <NCommander> Riddell, can you file a bug and trackdown all the rdepends and talk to the release managers?
[18:24] <NCommander> Riddell, I'll push sip4 4.9 into Debian
[18:25] <NCommander> Riddell, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543730 - heres the bug from Debian :-/
[18:26] <Riddell> NCommander: ABI of what exactly?
[18:27] <NCommander> Riddell, anything that build-deps on sip4
[18:27] <mcas_> hi
[18:28] <mcas_> can anyone tell me something about kde 4.3.2 packages for jaunty? will they be available from backports ppa?
[18:29] <Riddell> mcas_: kubuntu.org knows all
[18:29] <mcas_> oh sorry
[18:30] <Riddell> mcas_: let me know if it works for you
[18:30] <mcas_> i 'll try it
[18:30] <mcas_> sorry for not reading
[18:31] <Riddell> NCommander: this  is obviously nieve of me, but it's python, there is no ABI
[18:31] <NCommander> Riddell, anything that uses a binary object has an ABI. sip4 has one. python-qt4 needs to be uploaded then to rebuild against the new sip4, then kdebindings
[18:32] <NCommander> Riddell, pusling in #debian-qt-kde can explain in more detail
[18:32] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: have you fixed depends on mplayerthumbs?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: thanks for reminding me
[18:34] <Quintasan> :O
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> So is system settings crashing for anyone else when they go to regional and language?
[18:38] <notmeanyway> hello, i was directed here from the kubuntu channel. Can anybody tell me how I can create my own custom translation of a KDE4 program?
[18:39] <rgreening> notmeanyway: is your program hosted via launchpad?
[18:40] <rgreening> launchpad has an option to upload pot (po translation template files) and allows others to contribute translations.
[18:40] <Riddell> NCommander: bug 444742
[18:40] <notmeanyway> I've got no idea, the thing is that some programs aren't translated into german at all and yet others use too technical terms for my mom to understand :)
[18:40] <nixternal> notmeanyway: are you talking about translating an app that is already in the repos?
[18:40] <rgreening> oh, so notmeanyway, you wish to override the default translations...
[18:41] <rgreening> nixternal: ^
[18:41] <notmeanyway> yes
[18:41] <NCommander> Riddell, probably want to poke the RMs
[18:41] <nixternal> ya, you need to be a member of the translations team to do that stuff I think
[18:41] <rgreening> not sure how to accomplish that...
[18:42] <nixternal> notmeanyway: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations that's where you want to be
[18:42] <notmeanyway> I mean I could try to find the stuff in the binaries and replace the characters, but I'd be pretty limited
[18:42] <notmeanyway> thanks
[18:43] <Quintasan> Hmm, time to pack up my stuff, Going to Manchester tomorrow
[18:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: say hi to David Cameron (political reference)
[18:44] <notmeanyway> The program I'm trying to translate right now is in english called "Audex" how do I know whether it's on Launchpad or not?
[18:46] <Riddell> notmeanyway: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/audex
[18:46] <Riddell> there is /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/audex.mo so it should have translations
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> just not managed in launchpad
[18:47] <notmeanyway> okay wait a sec
[18:49] <notmeanyway> i don't have that file, i will try to find it
[18:52] <Riddell> notmeanyway: are you on jaunty?
[18:53] <notmeanyway> umm if jaunty is 9.04 i am
[18:54] <Riddell> notmeanyway: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/audex.mo
[18:54] <Riddell> put it in /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/audex.mo
[18:54] <notmeanyway> why am I so bad at finding stuff? I only found the source code with a "de.po" file inside.." will try yours, thank you
[18:55] <Riddell> the .mo is the .po compiled
[18:55] <notmeanyway> okay
[18:55] <notmeanyway> i'll restart audex now
[18:56] <notmeanyway> great, it's german now, but if i wanted to change anything I'd have to compile my own audex version and change the .po file previously?
[18:56] <Riddell> yes
[18:57] <notmeanyway> could i only compile the .po file or would it have to be the whole programß
[18:59] <rgreening> if there's an included makefile with rules for generating the po/mo.. you may be able to do it directly ..
[18:59] <Riddell> you could use msgfmt for just the .po compiling
[19:04] <notmeanyway> I will try this immediately
[19:07] <notmeanyway> are lines like these: #: core/audex.cpp:512 comments or are they necessary?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> comments, showing where in the code the string can be found
[19:09] <notmeanyway> okay, great
[19:20] <Lure> Riddell, nixternal: new kdm.conf has emit line duplicated - is that for reason:
[19:20] <Lure> initctl emit starting-dm DM=kdm
[19:20]  * Lure noticed this on upgrade as was using nixternal's version before
[19:21] <nixternal> there should be an 'emits starting-dm' towards the top, and then the 'initctl emit starting-dm DM=kdm' in the script section right before the exec kdm
[19:22] <nixternal> there shouldn't be 2 'initctl emit starting-dm DM=kdm' though
[19:23] <notmeanyway> great, it works, thank you very much
[19:23] <notmeanyway> and so easy :)
[19:26] <nixternal> Lure: does it hurt anything right now like that?
[19:28] <nixternal> committed a fixed one to bzr
[19:30] <Lure> nixternal: do not know, will try to reboot now
[20:12] <lex79> I uploaded qt4 in ninja ppa for see what happens, if it still ftbs like in main archive
[20:15]  * rgreening wonders if the bzr debian dir matches lex79's debian dir...
[20:16] <rgreening> lex79: you should bzr export in the bzr branch. then do a diff -ruN between your qt debian and the exported debian
[20:16] <rgreening> make sure nothing was amis...
[20:17] <lex79> rgreening: no need, I built now the package which Riddell has uploaded and with my pbuilder build fine
[20:18] <lex79> so this means the debian dirs matched
[20:22] <rgreening> hmm... strange. Are you sure your pbuilder is up to date with the archives as well (pbuilder --update)
[20:23] <lex79> yes, pbuilder --update runs automatically each time I have to do a package :)
[20:23] <lex79> btw I'm seeing in ppa is working
[20:24] <rgreening> ok. cool.
[20:24] <rgreening> strange
[20:25] <rgreening> ~np
[20:25] <kubotu> rgreening is listening to "Hate to Say I Told You So" by The Hives [Veni Vidi Vicious, 2000]; see http://www.last.fm/user/rgreening for more
[20:26] <Lure> Nightrose: flash works w/o problem in chromium for me (kubuntu karmic amd64)
[20:26] <Nightrose> Lure: :/
[20:27] <Nightrose> you're using the daily builds from the ppa too?
[20:27] <Lure> Nightrose: however I use amd64 flash
[20:27] <lex79> rgreening: yes strange, maybe chroot problem I don't know, the strangest thing is that in main archive armel is building yet IoI
[20:27] <Lure> Nightrose: yep
[20:27] <Nightrose> ah i'm on 32
[20:27] <Nightrose> maybe that makes a difference
[20:27] <Nightrose> anyone else here using chromium?
[20:27] <Lure> Nightrose: do you start with --enable-plugins?
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> you have to use --enable-plugins the last I checked
[20:28] <Lure> I use: chromium-browser --enable-plugins --enable-extensions \
[20:28] <Lure>                  --enable-user-scripts --enable-greasemonkey
[20:28] <Nightrose> Lure: uhmmm nope
[20:28] <Nightrose> what's that magic?
[20:28] <Nightrose> ok i'll try that then
[20:28] <Lure> Nightrose: plugins are disabled by default
[20:29] <Nightrose> aha!
[20:29] <Lure> as well as other new feature
[20:29] <Nightrose> why does the flash plugin crash then for me? :D
[20:29] <Lure> Nightrose: probably chromium still tries something...
[20:29] <Nightrose> hmm might be - i'll give it a try
[20:30] <Nightrose> what else do you enable that is not enabled by default?
[20:30]  * Lure likes chromium very much - they just need to fix occasional corruptions of history sqlite db
[20:30] <Nightrose> is there a list somewhere?
[20:30] <Nightrose> yea it's awesome
[20:30] <Nightrose> and as soon as i can use gears with it i'm sold
[20:30] <Lure> Nightrose: --enable-plugins --enable-extensions is esential
[20:30] <Lure> Nightrose: I use unmaintained AdSweep extension
[20:30] <Nightrose> k
[20:31] <Nightrose> thx :)
[20:31]  * Lure does not recall why I added --enable-user-scripts - maybe AdSweep needs that too
[20:42] <rgreening> ~np
[20:42] <kubotu> rgreening listened to "In the End" by Rush [Fly by Night, 1997] 9 minutes ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/rgreening for more
[20:44] <Nightrose> Lure: JontheEchidna: still crashes :(
[20:45] <Nightrose> claydoh: mpfh any idea what might be wrong with my install?
[20:45]  * JontheEchidna now has Fly by Night stuck in his head
[20:45] <Lure> Nightrose: :-(
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> "my ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend...."
[20:46] <Nightrose> it says "the following plugin has crashed: /home/lydia/.mozilla/libflashplayer.so"
[20:59] <claydoh> Nightrose: im using 32bit flashinstalled in the default location (wherever flashplugin-installer puts it)
[21:00] <claydoh> I don't even pass any commands, today is the first time i have even used chromium actually
[21:00] <Nightrose> mhhhh
[21:00] <Nightrose> can you check if yours is installed to .mozilla as well
[21:01] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Rush rulez
[21:02] <claydoh> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, nothing in ~/.mozilla
[21:02]  * JontheEchidna remembers listening to his dad's Moving Pictures cassette in the car when he was little
[21:02] <Nightrose> claydoh: hmmmm
[21:02] <rgreening> Nightrose: prob installed with FF plugin at some point
[21:02] <claydoh> Nightrose: hmmmmm :(
[21:02] <rgreening> or manual installed it there...
[21:02] <Nightrose> rgreening: possibly
[21:02] <Nightrose> how do i get rid of it?
[21:03] <Nightrose> in a clean way i mean
[21:03] <Nightrose> and where do i get the right one?
[21:03] <rgreening> rm -f ~/.mozilla/libflas*
[21:03] <Nightrose> heh ok
[21:03] <rgreening> and install via kpackagekit... flashplugin-installer
[21:04] <Nightrose> k thx
[21:04] <rgreening> np
[21:04] <rgreening> ~np
[21:04] <kubotu> rgreening listened to "Going to Heaven Drunk" by Rodney Carrington [Greatest Hits] 5 minutes ago; see http://www.last.fm/user/rgreening for more
[21:04] <rgreening> :)
[21:05] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[21:07] <Nightrose> hah!
[21:07] <Nightrose> that did it
[21:08] <Nightrose> i just needed to remove the flashplugin in .mozilla
[21:08] <Nightrose> now it works :)
[21:08] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:08] <Nightrose> awesome
[21:11] <rgreening> :)
[21:11] <rgreening> Nightrose: owes me a cookie :)
[21:11] <Nightrose> ~order cookie for rgreening
[21:11]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to rgreening.
[21:12] <rgreening> mmm... COOKIE!
[21:12] <rgreening> Nightrose: going to UDS?
[21:12] <Nightrose> nope - impossible to get into my schedule right now :(
[21:13] <Nightrose> need to finish my research project and then finally start my thesis
[21:13] <Nightrose> and since I'm going to the gsoc mentor summit at the end of this month already...
[21:18] <rgreening> heh. full plate
[21:19] <rgreening> Riddell: I have proposed 3 blueprints for UDS.. what is the next step to get them to show up on the UDS-L blueprint page?
[21:39] <nixternal> ok, let's get some work done...I am such a n00b, where do I begin?
[21:40] <freinhard> nixternal: fix outgoing jabber filetransfers in kopete for me ;)
[21:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: Well, how is the feature tour comming?
[21:40] <nixternal> shit, not at all I guess :)
[21:41] <nixternal> I didn't add it to my todo! I am such an ass hat
[21:41] <nixternal> do you just want some text or something and then you can make it all pretty?
[21:41] <nixternal> I don't have time to make stuff pretty I don't think, but who knows, I just might
[21:51] <NCommander> Riddell, we need to get retroactive licensing if possible on sip 4.8
[21:56] <rgreening> ryanakca: I still owe you a developer blurb...
[21:56] <ryanakca> rgreening: *nod*
[21:57] <ryanakca> nixternal: Text + pictures seperated per page. If you want, you can try making the layout, if not I can.
[21:58] <nixternal> roger that
[21:58]  * nixternal adds that to his todo list for real this time
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[22:09] <nixternal> ryanakca: do you have any requirements on the tour writeup? i would like to make it pimp, but it is hard for me to do so without doing it either directly to the website, or a testing website where we could easily rip the code out and put it on the real box
[22:09] <nixternal> it is drupal, so I know it will all be inputed into that silly little text box thing that drupal has
[22:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks
[22:19] <rgreening> ryanakca: how big hackergotchi
[22:20] <rgreening> ryanakca: 50x50? 64x64?
[22:22] <rgreening> nm.. I'll include a 192x192.. you can resize :)
[22:22] <ryanakca> *nod*
[22:23] <rgreening> sent
[22:23] <rgreening> :)
[22:24] <claydoh> are we getting a boot splash for karmic?
[22:25] <claydoh> personally, I don't miss it, boot is so fast on this old machine
[22:25] <claydoh> but a number of forum users seem concerned that something is broken
[22:45] <tsdgeos> hi guys, don't you thik that dialog konqueror shows me demanding to install non free stuff should be disableable?
[22:45] <tsdgeos> it's a bit tiring to see it each time i start a new konqueror
[22:55] <yuriy> +1
[23:33] <neversfelde> bug 444466 needs a sponsor
[23:33] <neversfelde> it fixes the problem with kid3