=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:28] Riddell, Sime: any idea what kmainwindow does that kdialog doesn't that supposedly makes the former work safely with python? [00:30] it's a mystery (I presume, else sime would have fixed it) [00:30] I don't think i've seen the crash with userconfig, and that's a kdialog in standalone mode [00:32] oh nevermind there it is [00:32] so this must be new since 4.3 beta or so [00:32] the pykde crash has always been there [00:33] i certainly would have been banging my head against it 4 months ago if it was there [00:34] and the earliest report is from beta 2 [00:38] it only shows itself if you don't do other unspecified things to keep it happy [00:42] :O last commit to kapplication: "Fix crash with gui-less apps." [01:07] ok looked through some logs, don't see anything terribly helpful === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:08] PackageKit cannot install the update to fix the "cannot update" bug. Ironic. (bug 443025) [02:08] Launchpad bug 443025 in packagekit "package python-packagekit 0.4.9+20090825-0ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '': Input/output error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443025 [02:08] * JontheEchidna marks as duplicate and chuckles [02:23] kde starts in 7 hours in staging, and l10n in 18 hours IoI [02:32] Are the Kubuntu Doc guys in here? [02:36] DarkwingDuck: nixternal and jjesse are your guys [02:37] ty [02:39] nixternal, jjesse you guys around? [02:41] yo yo [02:41] Hey nixternal :) [02:42] howdy [02:42] Question [02:42] Standard for Docs [02:42] I've been talking to the #kubuntu-netbook guys to start doing the docs for them [02:43] I don't think right now is the right time to do it, as the nebook project is going to be different when it is finally release for 4.4, and we are unsure upstream if the documentation standard is going to change...but I am sure it won't for 4.4 [02:43] Understood. [02:44] it would be nice to start this one upstream though [02:44] However, GUI isn't going to change as much [02:44] as for Lucid, my plan is to totally throw out what we have for docs now and start from scratch, because they are utter crap [02:44] GUI has already changed in trunk [02:44] not much, but there is more to add [02:44] Okay. I would like to toss my name in the hat to help. [02:44] I'm not a programmer [02:44] especially now that you can switch between netbook view and the regular kde desktop view [02:44] which is nice [02:45] But, This is something I believe in. [02:45] DarkwingDuck: oh without a doubt...you are going to be my main person now for docs on the netbook :) [02:46] would be nice to get someone to take over docs eventually, as I have been doing them for 4 years now with jjesse...docs eat up to much of my time, so because of that they haven't gotten any love in a few releases..just very minor updates [02:47] DarkwingDuck: though, feel free to at least start the documentation for netbook...I would seriously start upstream with it if you could and do a manual there...though no matter which way you look, strings for docs are either frozen or damn near frozen now [02:47] the person you want to get in touch with at KDE is...well you got lucky! me :) [02:48] :) Okay good. [02:51] nixternal: is there a place to put all of this as I go along or, keep it on a personal server and talk via the mailing list? [02:52] right now, just a mailing list [02:53] or send it to me [02:53] Okay, and what is the standard for docs? [02:53] though, next week I leave for a month..but that won't hurt anything as there is much we can do anyways right now with the text [02:55] Okay. [02:55] Going to UDS? [02:58] no I won't be going [02:58] Thanks for letting me help with the docs. [02:59] no, thanks for wanting to help...we never get people wanting to help with docs :) [02:59] I know Kubuntu and KDE tends to lack in that area [03:21] who broke amarok? [03:21] :) [03:23] I can't listen to my daapd box, last.fm [03:23] this is not good! [03:27] WHO BROKE AMAROK! [03:27] ^^ JontheEchidna see I am bitching :) [03:27] lol [03:28] screw it, I will just install ubuntu-desktop and banshee...MONO FTW! [03:28] at least it works sometimes :p [03:29] oh this one will be great [03:29] IT WORKS IN ARCH LINUX! [03:30] i wouldn't argue "MONO FTW" if Qyoto was as easy and complete as PyQt [03:30] Sput: True. [03:31] /argue against [03:33] so daapd and last.fm is broken in amarok [03:33] I can listen to magnatune [03:57] nixternal: last.fm is broken in banshee, so it and amarok are finally on par! [04:01] Anyone else have the dragonplayer install fail using kpackagekit? [04:02] did the details box give any useful tracebacks? [04:02] Is there anything like the Ubuntu Store in line for Kubuntu? [04:02] The details box closed faster than I could read the error [04:03] JontheEchidna: The log says "PackageKit: WARNING: Recursive dependencies are not implemented" [04:03] hmm... I ran in to a bug fixed by the latest packagekit in today's updates, unrelated to that though [04:03] DarkwingDuck: You mean a complete re-implementation of an Ubuntu unique package management system to replace one that is standardized and well thought of? [04:03] DarkwingDuck: No. We'd have to have a good one to replace first to manage that [04:04] LOL [04:04] Also it's Software Center now. [04:04] We are too few in number to do that even if we wanted to, unfortunately [04:04] I noticed that kpackagekit lacks a browse function... [04:05] kpackage kit lacks almost everything one would want in a package manager that isn't needed to install some random RPM you found on the net. [04:06] Not the least of which is verifying the cryptographic integrity of what you are downloading and complaining mightily if something is up. [04:07] Yeah. [04:07] It reminds me of Gnome's synaptic [04:07] Only, worse [04:07] Yeah, well people like synaptic. [04:07] * JontheEchidna never did [04:08] JontheEchidna: Has anyone ever shown up here and said nice things about kpackagekit? [04:08] * ScottK has never seen it. [04:08] never [04:08] It actually has gotten people to fondly reminisce about Adept. [04:08] solid ol' adept.... [04:09] It actually got a few crasher fixes for karmic [04:09] the only thing is the search sucks [04:11] the code's a bit scary, though. so nobody wants to maintain it [04:11] what's wrong with the search? [04:11] Slow [04:12] It was the slowness of Adept's searching that motivated me to learn cli package management tools in the first place. [04:12] it's also bad at giving relevant results [04:12] I found the searching quite fast tbh, just inaccurate [04:12] Yeah, but we all use Launchpad, so we're used to inaccurate results. [04:13] you have to be smart about your searches and not be naive enough to think searching for the package name would list it anywhere near the top [04:13] hmm. I actually think adept 3 was on the right track mostly (though the code was getting a little scary to navigate already) [04:13] but it needed more people working on it and that's where that problem comes in [04:13] Also Adept 3 competes nicely with lacking package authentication stuff (Adept 2 had it) [04:13] I've discovered that using apt-get mixed with repositories site is the best way to find software [04:14] Of course it's also an imcomplete beta, so it's hard to be too critical of it. [04:14] actually, mornfall was ready to release it a bit after beta4 if no issues came up [04:14] but that was a rush for freeze, so who knows how complete it was [04:15] I think the UI could have used a bit of reorganizing, and the search improved, cryptography checking implemented and it'd be a great package manager [04:15] but the code's scary and there aren't enough people [04:16] BTW, just tried to install adept using kpackagekit and kpackagekit kindly protected me from the risk of installing unsigned packages by crashing. [04:16] and mornfall didn't really have time to maintain it before he stopped [04:16] lol [04:16] I wish I was a programmer to get a new one started. [04:17] kpackagekit does warn of unauthentic packages now... after you've finished the installation [04:17] the code was really not that scary compared to adept 2 though. the GUI classes didn't double inherit from some template class. [04:17] a tray icon with about 3 options in the context menu shows up [04:17] click the right one and a generic "messages from your package manager on high" comes up [04:18] giving you a message about unauthenticated packages, followed by a list [04:18] why can't the software center be adapted for KDE? [04:18] it's heavily tied to GTK plus we don't have the resources to do it [04:18] Ubuntu has several Canonical employees working on it iirc [04:18] * DarkwingDuck mutters [04:19] fully backed by a Canonical-supported design team [04:19] JontheEchidna: "Guess what, you've been owned" is not a very friendly design [04:19] ScottK: agreed [04:19] DarkwingDuck: Most of the work they've done is not stuff we want. [04:19] which is why I made sure the bug didn't get closed yet [04:19] DarkwingDuck: the hope with packagekit was that there'll be enough people from other distros working on it for it to be maintained and high quality [04:19] yeah. But, we 'need' something [04:20] so far that doesn't seem to have happened. though it's not that bad, it's not ready either [04:20] dtchen: I think it has to do with the subscription crap in last.fm [04:20] that is what the error at the bottom says at least [04:21] nixternal: lastfm not working is thanks to the lastfm dudes. you gotta subscribe now, and any apps not using liblastfm will break in the near future [04:21] that isn't true [04:21] I don't have to with my CLI app [04:21] it just works [04:21] do they use liblastfm? [04:21] only people outside of the N. America have to subscribe [04:21] yuriy: Unfortunately not a lot of that effort is going towards Debian based systems. [04:21] at least that is how it used to be [04:22] (this is what lydia said in a bug report) [04:22] I take that back [04:22] according to Last.fm, you don't need to subscribe in US, UK, and Germany [04:23] then why won't amarok play... grr [04:23] dunno [04:25] Is New Hampshire technically part of the US? They still apparently believe in that freedom stuff up there, so i'm not sure. [04:25] LOL [04:25] * ScottK has always loved the license plates [04:25] ScottK: Just like Texas is [04:25] hrmm, now if you read the API docs, it then says "Any API account can only stream radio to Last.fm's paid subscribers." [04:26] Live Free or Die [04:26] DarkwingDuck: Nah, fewer taxes and lower taxes [04:26] Texas or NH? [04:26] * DarkwingDuck is in California [04:26] first one of those should be guns [04:26] NH [04:26] High taxes and broke state [04:26] Live free or have paved roads [04:26] LOL [04:26] lol [04:27] NH where Mooses hump [04:27] chicago has somewhat paved roads, except the parts when you can fall through all the way to china [04:27] they repaired a bridge in the woods on the way to the highway. They didn't bother to pave it. [04:27] too poor to pave a 20 ft section of bridge [04:27] MA has been paving everything in sight [04:28] oh, well of course the big 93 paving project is making all those roads that didn't need to be repaved repaved [04:28] it kills me, Cook County, which Chicago is in, flat broke, yet they have the nicest cycling trails...DuPage County, one of the richest in the US, has the shittiest cycling trails [04:28] and even the backroads that are paved are real shitty [04:28] except I-95. that's eternally under work with no noticeable change. every other road has been repaved twice in the last 6 months. [04:33] So why does the package update icon in the taskbar go away even if I don't install the updates? [04:33] Is that on purpose? [04:34] I don't think we have an icon in the systray that notifies of new packages, only the KNotification [04:34] that tray icon is a useless toy showing that packagekit is currently doing something [04:34] Hmmm. [04:34] Ah. [04:34] That would fit [04:35] I think you can access hidden dialogs for the things packagekit is doing... but really it's useless [04:35] a lot of the time it'll just give a 1x1 pixel menu [04:36] With Karmic, why do I continue to get Blocked updates? [04:36] I guess I don't see the point of having kpackagekit if it can't even install basic updates. [04:36] DarkwingDuck: apt-get dist-upgrade [04:36] You'll find you get a new package added. [04:36] or removed [04:36] Right [04:36] it should be able to handle new packages by now, btw [04:36] ahhh [04:36] just not removed [04:36] Thanks Scott [04:37] ScottK: your adept error should be fixed with the latest packagekit-apt (0ubuntu5) [04:37] JontheEchidna: Ah. Good to know. [04:38] OTOH, PackageKit: WARNING: Recursive dependencies are not implemented suggests adding new packages isn't all there [04:38] bug 436748 [04:38] * DarkwingDuck wonders why he is DLing GTK+2.0 libs [04:38] Launchpad bug 436748 in kdebase-workspace "polkit-kde-manager assert failure: *** glibc detected *** polkit-kde-manager: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x089cb310 ***" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436748 [04:38] er, oops [04:39] nice [04:39] bug 438279 [04:39] amarok kills my daapd server :D [04:39] Launchpad bug 438279 in packagekit "Kpackagekit ask to report some errors " [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438279 [04:39] that's why it wasn't playing [04:40] JontheEchidna: OK. I'm installing just the pacakgekit updates and I'll try again [04:40] so I have to load my daapd playlist, then restart daapd on the server then press play in amarok then go back and restart daapd on the server then press play in amarok [04:42] Mmm, interactive upgrade hooks look like a pain to implement [04:43] * JontheEchidna is thinking of splitting updatenotifierhelper into 2 kded modules, one for apport and one for restart notifications/upgrade hooks [04:43] Doesn't even get to asking me for a password before it dies [04:43] ScottK: policykit installed? [04:43] JontheEchidna: ya, last.fm pulled the plug on eveyrone [04:44] I think so as when I just installed the one package, authentication worked [04:44] so now, I am gonna start doing the pirate bay and stealing all types of music [04:44] hmm [04:44] I think on freenode it's "aquire" [04:44] *acquire [04:44] except for stuff by sammy hagar, even though he could care less if you steal his music, as long as you are a fan :) [04:44] no, I am not going to acquire, I am going to steal [04:45] Richard Johnson of Chicago, IL USA is going to steal all of the music there is! Movies are next! [04:45] * JontheEchidna buys a datapark trailer from google and hooks up to tpb [04:45] actually, if I seed, then I am not stealing, as I am just borrowing... :) [04:45] I wish the kpackagekit error would last long enough for me to read more than the word error [04:49] .... This is interesting [04:49] oh wow, what can't you get on pirate bay? [04:50] oh, I see, shit without viruses...every comment is "IT HAS A TROJAN" [04:52] * rgreening wishes he could figure out why qt4-x11 4.5.3 refuses to make translations [04:53] apachelogger merged that in recently, didn't he [04:53] There is no way we can recommend people use kpackagekit. It's not even usable for relatively common upgrade situations. [04:55] JontheEchidna: no, this is something entirely different. THe qt build itself has .ts files that need to be built into lrelease-qt4 .qm files (qt translations) [04:55] 4.5.2 works, 4.5.3 doesn't [04:57] rgreening: I'd look in Debian pkg-qt-kde svn and see how they are doing. [04:57] Ok, this is a bit strange... [04:58] * DarkwingDuck wonders why software center was installed [04:58] ScottK: got a url? [04:58] JontheEchidna: yeah i think 2 modules is the way to go. the functions aren't really related [04:58] Kids these days. Everything has to be spoon fed. [04:59] * ScottK looks for it [04:59] ScottK: well, if what you said was clear.... it wasn't immediately evident to what exactly you were suggesting [04:59] or if it was relevant to my issue [05:00] rgreening: I was suggesting looking in the Debian packaging team's svn and see if they have inspirational changes [05:00] yuriy: this would also provide a convenient way for people to disable apport notifications (though it wouldn't stop apport from churning away collecting the crash data) [05:00] * rgreening isn't familiar with that [05:00] since you can disable kded modules from system settings [05:00] I tried seeing if they had a 4.5.3 build.. and couldn't fidn one [05:02] ScottK: thanks for the pathfinder-pki heads up. [05:03] dtchen: No problem. [05:03] I was investigating nbs and the one (at least I thought) looked easy [05:03] rgreening: It's not uploaded yet. I'm looking in their svn [05:03] ScottK: ty. [05:05] wha [05:05] gtk-qt-engine's binary is still lingering [05:07] because gtk-qt-engine-kde4 from the gtk-qt-engine source package that was removed depends on gtk-qt-engine [05:08] wait [05:08] oh, I accidentally requested a source-only removal [05:09] rgreening: How about http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commit;h=3635de4f2c019746b364be0ef8a459a4dc4c6f11 [05:09] Does that look relevant [05:10] * rgreening is looking [05:10] could be [05:10] JontheEchidna: It was also stuck in NBS until I got ichthux meta updated recently [05:10] It still had rdepends [05:10] or because I never had kcm-gtk updated with a transitional package [05:10] like I meant to, which is why I requested source-only in the first place [05:11] No, it had rdpends until txwikinger_work updated ichthux-meta and I got the old binaries removed [05:11] ScottK: looks extremely relevant... [05:11] ah, ok [05:11] ty [05:11] You're welcome [05:11] rgreening: Make sure to give them credit in debian/changelog if that helps [05:12] ya. fabo is awesome :) [05:13] fabo is to damn smart for his own good! [05:14] heh [05:16] * JontheEchidna wishes they'd hurry up with https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27878 [05:16] bugs.webkit.org bug 27878 in Layout and Rendering "[Qt] Several icon-buttons for ajax actions at launchpad.com are missing" [Normal,Assigned] [05:16] twitter told me I can't talk about stealing music...I had about 100 people DM me with links on stealing music, movies, software, games, you name it [05:17] we gotta backport http://github.com/Arora/arora/commit/0032e7fc9acfba437739e41fca1a29702777c853 [05:19] 0.10.1 almost makes me wish having it by default [05:20] JontheEchidna: we have 0.10.1 [05:21] I'm saying that I like it so much I almost wish konq wasn't default [05:21] anyway, it should be pretty safe sticking with konq. It's not making anything any worse at least [05:21] ah [05:21] yeah [05:21] and arora is an option at least now [05:21] chromium ftw! [05:21] I think if we had one release where something wasn't worse, that'd be great [05:22] and maybe for 10.04 we can look at defaulting it... [05:22] its come a long way [05:22] hopefully karmic can be that release [05:22] hehe [05:23] JontheEchidna: Nope. IMO, package management is still not up to what we had in Hardy. [05:23] Other than that I think we are doing pretty well. [05:23] I meant, worse than the previous release. getting everything to hardy levels would be even harder [05:23] Ah. Right. [05:23] with 9.04 it was intel, networkmangler [05:23] and translations [05:23] all 3 should be better by far [05:23] And kpackagekit [05:24] even that's a bit better, in me experience [05:24] it's even better after you uninstall it [05:24] lol [05:24] lol [05:25] if that packagekit fails updates bug hadn't been fixed the other day, I'd totally support reverting to adept for 9.10 [05:25] i would have supported reverting back to KDE 3.5.6 [05:25] 3.5.10 not good enough for ya? [05:25] I haven't tried it very many times, but I've never managed to get kpackagekit to actually do anything. [05:25] that was a lie, no I wouldn't [05:25] hahahah [05:25] I never tried 3.5.10 [05:25] I stopped using kde 3 at like 3.5.8 I think [05:26] and then proceeded packaging alpha versions of kde4 by yourself and then blogging about it [05:26] did I? [05:26] I don't remember [05:26] I think that was you [05:26] I thought I was just running trunk [05:27] nixternal: That was Vista. I realize the crashiness of it might be confusing. [05:27] if I don't get my google wave shit soon I am switching over all of my stuff to lycos [05:27] ScottK: ya, maybe you are right [05:27] * nixternal proceeds to download windows 7 [05:27] nooooooooooooooo [05:28] vista service pack lover [05:28] windows 7 I have to admit is much nicer than the shit in the past [05:28] * JontheEchidna wonders if the visternal macro is still around [05:28] it is [05:28] heh [05:28] !nixternal [05:28] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! I LOVE MIRC!!! [05:29] upgraded [05:30] interesting, who upgraded it? [05:30] I am getting a Mac anyways [05:30] macs are clicky-draggy [05:30] seriously, mac users look so happy and cool sitting at starbucks drinking their lattes...i am envious...here I am an open source developer carrying around a 17" laptop that weighs as much as I do with a damn Chrome messenger bag [05:31] I walk by cuz I can't afford the starbucks [05:31] I get the old coffee at mcdonalds after 10, then it is only $0.75 for a large [05:31] http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/ [05:31] or $0.55..I can't remember, I can't even afford that [05:32] oh lord [05:32] nixternal: You too can look sleek if you carry the netbook around. [05:32] ya, I need a lil pack for my netbook [05:32] my Chrome messenger bag will carry a case of beer, ie. 2 12-packs of Goose Island with ease [05:32] that's how I transport while on bike :) [05:42] * JontheEchidna sets arora to pbuild and goes off to bed [05:46] * ScottK heads for bed too. [06:02] JontheEchidna: arora is in karmic are you backporting? or adding a patch or something else? [06:42] Anyone know if there's any plans on the splash screen front? I just filed a bug against xsplash, but it was thrown out because apparently we don't use it on Kubuntu... [06:43] Not sure what package to file against now, with no splash at all... [07:05] !splash-#kubuntu [07:05] To change your KDE splash screen go to KMenu -> System Settings -> Splash Screen [07:05] hrm, not so useful [07:48] nixternal: JontheEchidna: _no_ third-party apps will be able to play last.fm streams if they use liblastfm (which they have to sooner or later) [07:48] it doesn't matter where you are [07:49] the exception is only for the websote and the official client as they pay via ads [07:49] *website [07:49] and the expection is only for the us germany and the uk as they are the ones where ads are feasabe [07:49] +l === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [09:53] Nightrose: oh, so even when you're in Germany, you can't play lastfm in Amarok anymore? [09:53] that explains a lot. [09:54] yes [09:54] but honestly if you like the service pay for it [09:54] it's not so expensive [09:55] and if you pay in $ it is even cheaper [10:10] the lastfm app still works fine and has no adverts [10:56] Riddell: are the 64 bit packages ready yet? I've seen 200+ updates [10:59] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main [10:59] Mamarok: in staging ^^ [10:59] Riddell: just ping me when I should test then :) [11:00] * Mamarok has staging enabled anyways [11:00] Mamarok: ping ping! [11:02] ok, testing :) [11:03] oh, updated langauge packages? nice :) === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [11:16] heh i think my kde ont boot today [11:16] Riddell: no errors so far, restarting KDE [11:16] :D [11:16] i missing 100 packages or so [11:16] :D [11:16] was to late yesterday to get them all [11:32] Mamarok: any luck? [11:33] Riddell: yep, just logged in [11:33] I had problems with KDM though, had to kill it [11:33] that's nothing new [11:33] but that might still be due to the old 4.3.1 [11:34] actually, it is, would need to try another logout, moment [11:41] Riddell: KDM logout doesn't work with 4.3.2 on Jaunty, it actually crashed, had to reboot [11:42] wibble [11:43] well, it had to bekilled on logout with 4.3.1 already, sometimes crashed altogether [11:44] but else 4.3.2 runs fine :) [11:44] will Karmic ship with it? [11:44] yes [11:44] great! [11:45] oook, back to cleaning up /home and rsync, /me wants to test beta [12:36] rgreening: patch for karmic [12:38] rgreening: making the address bar not have the 1-pixel white bar under it [12:39] it works, and the progess drawing in the addressbar has a fancy gradient to boot [13:00] 4.3.2 copied to kubuntu backports PPA [13:03] Riddell: has it been in proposed already? [13:03] staging, yes [13:03] jussi01: are you able to test it? [13:03] hrm, ok. I thought it had to go to -proposed first. [13:03] lex79: krename uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu [13:04] Riddell: unfortunately Im all on karmic now - except the girlfriends machine which I can update tonight. [13:04] jussi01: it's just in the PPA, not in real backports [13:04] oh, ok then :D [13:05] Riddell: if you could pm me the details Ill make sure its installed and any problems reported here. [13:05] https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [13:32] Are there daily build cds of karmic? [13:32] ~dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires [13:32] hmm, that didn't work [13:32] steveire: yep [13:32] cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu [13:33] Is there a difference between daily and daily-live? [13:34] daily is the text installer, daily-live is the live system GUI installer [13:34] Ok, cool. Thanks. [13:34] ~indentica dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires [13:34] kubotu: indentica dent update don't put butter in the microwave with metalic foil still attached, it creates sparks and fires [13:34] kubotu: you defeat me [13:35] bug 444512: what do you think about? [13:35] Launchpad bug 444512 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings "Desktop is unusable if desktop-effects (compositing) are disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444512 [13:44] ~identica dent does Riddell know whats wrong now? [13:44] status updated [13:45] Riddell: I suspect you werent identified. [13:45]