[00:05] <Gewitterstern> Does anyone know if KK supports Speedlink Snappy Webcams?
[00:07] <syzo> hey all... I tried installing 9.10 through liveUSB onto my EeePC 1005HA, but after about 36% (1.72 gigs apparently) it gave me "Errno5 input/output error". GParted could edit the partitions just fine, and I gave it more than 70 gigs to work with. help?
[00:09] <histo> BluesKaj: I think they had an upgrade that changed the default behavior to not even show the boot menu.
[00:12] <DopeGhoti> histo: if there is only one boot option, that is correct.
[00:15] <BronzeAu> Goodmorning? Folks at #ubuntu asked me to come here with my inquiry. Where can I download a .iso of Karmic Edubuntu Live CD please?
[00:16] <BronzeAu> Downloaded Jaunty (bad image) and then Karmic (nother bad image) No luck so far.
[00:16] <myk_robinson> how is Karmic's performance with a Radeon HD3200 on a laptop, anyone got any info?
[00:16] <histo> DopeGhoti: I've lost that ability i'll have to play with it and see if I can re-enable it.
[00:16] <BronzeAu> If I can get a good image I can let you how it is on a HP Tablet tx1000.
[00:17] <myk_robinson> BronzeAu: it works great on that model, just did one two days ago
[00:17] <yofel> BronzeAu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/9.10/beta/
[00:17] <histo> BronzeAu: the images on the ubuntu server are fine.
[00:17] <myk_robinson> an HP TX1217cl with touchscreen
[00:17] <yofel> BronzeAu: don't foget to check the md5sum of your download!
[00:17] <BronzeAu> OH awesome!!! Thank you so much. I have had no luck the past two days.
[00:18] <BronzeAu> I will this time. Didn't until after it didn't work.
[00:18] <yofel> BronzeAu: and don't forget to read the release page! http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[00:18] <BronzeAu> Yep - Just need to reseat the nvidea card again. Black screen of death at the moment.
[00:19] <DopeGhoti> Question, since grub-pc seems to be the topic of the day- is there a more acceptable way to get a larger-than-80x25 console than with the deprecated VGA kernel paramater?
[00:20] <Xgates> say for grub2 does the  gfxboot-theme-ubuntu work?
[00:21] <BronzeAu> Thanks again guys and gals. Appreciate it. Will let you know how I go.
[00:22] <maxb> Anyone else having a problem with networkmanager's applet sometimes showing up as a black unresponsive box in the notification area?
[00:24] <BronzeAu> They are all DVD images. Is there a 700mb CD image anywhere or do they only come as DVD size.
[00:24] <BronzeAu> 3 day download for me otherwise.
[00:24] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: there should be CD images as well as DVD
[00:25] <BronzeAu> Will have another look. Sorry to bother you.
[00:25] <Elone> hi, i have a problem with the pen on my tablet pc; the pen won't work on fresh boot, but work after i relogin ... any workaround?
[00:25] <BronzeAu> Nope - sorry. Can only see DVD's.
[00:26] <BronzeAu> Hopefully I'm wrong and not reading it right.
[00:26] <causasui> in other news, I have no sound in karmic :\
[00:26] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: oh! *facepalm* I didn't see that you were after Edubuntu
[00:26] <BronzeAu> I'm in Australia so even 700mb is going to take the best part of a day. At least if I can get it going live I can update  it.
[00:27] <BronzeAu> Well there all edubuntu so thats right.
[00:27] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: you could get a Server install CD, and once it's running, do an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop to get all the edubuntu-specific toys
[00:27] <BronzeAu> I've never done that before. Is it easy enough?
[00:28] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: the Server CD is ~600MB
[00:28] <BronzeAu> Ok - Coolies. Lets do that then.
[00:28] <DopeGhoti> it surely is; it's basically a text-mode version of the usual installer
[00:28] <DopeGhoti> the Server edition has no GUI, so you'll be working on the commandline until you've installed the desktop package
[00:29] <BronzeAu> Ok. So let em see if I have got this right.
[00:29] <DopeGhoti> (there are two: edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop-kde
[00:29] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: three guesses as to the difference :)
[00:30] <BronzeAu> Dowmload a .iso of the server package. Install it and then type into the terminal apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[00:30] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: well, *sudo* apt-get install…
[00:30] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: but otherwise, yes :)
[00:30] <BronzeAu> Or - could I use the Jaunty Edubuntu and update it perhaps?
[00:31] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: that would work as well- if you have that, install it normally, and then run update-manager -d if you want to update it to Karmic
[00:31] <BronzeAu> can you finish the rest of the command for me. I'll then know what to paste into the terminal.
[00:32] <BronzeAu> I might do that as I am no good at the terminal. Not for installs. Never seen the servers stuff before.
[00:32] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: sure: from the terminal after installing the server edition, you would run:  sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[00:32] <BronzeAu> I'll download the Jaunty Edubuntu instead I think.
[00:32] <BluesKaj> !repository | BronzeAu
[00:33] <myk_robinson> what is the state of intel graphics in 9.10?
[00:33] <BronzeAu> Sorry to be a pain - if you can't tell I'm new at this.
[00:33] <BronzeAu> I lost my XP with a bad install image last night so have got up and running again with Fedora11. yay
[00:34] <BronzeAu> Really appreciate your time and support folks.
[00:34] <BluesKaj> BronzeAu, no problem , we were all new once
[00:35] <BronzeAu> I have had Ubuntu since Breezy, then Dapper now I want to go up another step.
[00:35] <BronzeAu> Haven't tried the edubuntu and being a teacher I should.
[00:36] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: Glad you're sticking with it, and I'm happy to be able to assist :)
[00:36] <BluesKaj> BBL
[00:38] <BronzeAu> I'll give it a go. Cheers. Will let you know how I go. Thanks again.
[00:38] <BronzeAu> cya
[00:40] <roscoe__> I installed beta and when it called for re-booting I got an error:no such device (and a long Number) Failed to boot default entries. Press any key to continue.... and then it just kept looping at that point. Any ideas??
[00:41] <DopeGhoti> BronzeAu: good luck!
[00:42] <DopeGhoti> roscoe__: sounds like GRUB is tripping over your hard drive's UUID
[00:43] <roscoe__> DopeGhoti any hints as to what to do next, I am getting over my head here.
[00:44] <DopeGhoti> roscoe__: could you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cnf ?
[00:45] <wirechief_> you would need to boot the livecd and fix the uuid's in the fstab, ls -l /dev/disk by-uuid would give you the correct values, you would have to edit the fstab as root and make the changes. does that sound like something you can do ?
[00:46] <roscoe__> DopeGhoti unfortunately I had to reinstall 9.04 as I had no working computer at that time, Ratz!
[00:46] <wirechief_> but if you are new to all this maybe just reinstall
[00:46] <roscoe__> I tried two installs with the same result
[00:46] <wirechief_> did you check the integrity of the disk you are using ?
[00:46] <roscoe__> I thought it was OK
[00:47] <wirechief_> make sure the md5sum or the sha256 checks out, if nothing else use the grub menu item to verify the cd
[00:47] <roscoe__> Maybe I should just start all over again, good experience for a noobie though
[00:47] <roscoe__> OK thanks for the suggestions I have made notes and will carry on for a bit
[00:48] <wirechief_> sure but get the cd verified as i mentioned before you try a third time.
[00:48] <roscoe__> ko
[00:49] <DanaG> weird, I tried wubi installing Karmic beta on a Win7 machine, and it just hangs after "no wubildr".
[00:49] <DanaG> It finds no wubildr on (hd0,1), and then stops at checking (hd0,2) ntfs5
[00:50] <wirechief_> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid  is the correct syntax ;) for the uuid's
[00:52] <Mage__> Hell everyone.  I have a problem getting surround sound.  I am using Ubuntu 9.10 Beta since in 9.04 the problem was still there.  My motherboard is an asus m2v with an onboard audio card.  But for some reason ubuntu only gives me 2.0 sound ever since 8.04
[00:53] <Mage__> Anyone have any insight on what I can do to try and solve it?
[00:54] <Mage__> The only thing I have done to try and solve it was change the default channel from 2 to 6 in the pulseaudio file
[00:54] <Res2216firestar> Hey all, quick question, I am using wubi with 9.10, and when I boot my computer, it just starts windows without giving me the ubuntu option. This happens in the stable wubi too.
[00:56] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar: take a look at your boot.ini
[00:56] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar: make sure it's set to actaully show you the menu :)
[00:56] <Res2216firestar> ok
[00:57] <zmjjmz> _Anyone_ use the Dell Mini 9 with the Karmic beta?
[00:58] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar: I'll pastebin my boot.ini so that you can compare
[00:59] <Res2216firestar> all right
[00:59] <Res2216firestar> I think I have it tho
[00:59] <DopeGhoti> (anyone else finding pastebinit to be slow today?)
[00:59] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar:
[00:59] <DopeGhoti> http://pastebin.com/f357d1e84
[00:59] <Res2216firestar> I think it has something to do with the hotmail thing
[00:59] <Res2216firestar> thanks
[01:00] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar:  very welcome!
[01:00] <Res2216firestar> all right, that was it, restarting...
[01:01] <arand> Okay... so if I install karmic to a usb device and specify that grub2 should be installed to that device... It will still write and fookbar my grub-legacy on my main drive... Very... mature, I must say...
[01:01] <aprigio> i report bug in ubuntu 9.10. Presents problems in nvidia go (notebook), and others hardwares
[01:02] <ixian_> hi
[01:02] <aprigio> hi
[01:03] <aprigio> my desktop is notebook dv 6000 series hp. problems presents in framebuffer and splash as X11
[01:03] <aprigio> i report error for team
[01:03] <aprigio> others intel machines as gigabyte, presents problems too
[01:04] <aprigio> in ubuntu server 9.10, after install ubuntu-desktop package, problems insist
[01:05] <Pulsewidth> Is there any way to make the volume control change by more than 1% per scroll like it used to do?
[01:06] <Xgates> is grub2 in karmic gfxboot compliant?
[01:07] <Xgates> or I should say is the support compiled in?
[01:09] <yofel> Xgates: I'm not exactly sure what you mean, bug there is a GRUB_GFXMODE= config option that sets the grub menu resolution
[01:10] <Xgates> gfxboot allows you to have/make animated splash
[01:11] <Xgates> Since we're running Karmic and gfxboot is listed in the repo I thought then grub2 would support it
[01:13] <davisc> Right. Finally managed to get to my good boot. The 100% CPU version uses software rendering for glx. This one uses hardware. So now I can identify the problem correctly. Just need to figure out why the hell it's happening...
[01:13] <BronzeAu> Back again. I found the torrent file for 9.10beta and it's downloading the CD.iso image. Should take 1.5 hours which is a record for Au.
[01:14] <Xgates> this is in Karmic:
[01:14] <Xgates> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
[01:14] <BronzeAu> I would highly recommend you verify the file too. I taught myself the hard way last night and all day yesterday.
[01:14] <NoelJB> arand, at the moment, I would suggest that #grub is best for grub related issues.  Just because the grub maintainer is there, and not in here.
[01:14] <BronzeAu> What is grub?
[01:14] <Xgates> Also in Karmic:
[01:14] <Xgates> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/karmic/gfxboot
[01:14] <BronzeAu> Is that like the installer.
[01:15] <Xgates> SO why have this in Karmic if Grub2 isn't supporting it?
[01:15] <Xgates> I don't get that...
[01:15] <Xgates> Grub is a bootloader
[01:15] <BronzeAu> right. Ta.
[01:15] <Xgates> BronzeAu: Google is your friend :)
[01:15] <BronzeAu> He he - And now so are you. :-D
[01:15] <yofel> !grub2 | BronzeAu
[01:15] <Xgates> http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-2070091971271392%3A6ra8wy-1zdk&ie=UTF-8&q=Grub&sa=Search
[01:16] <BronzeAu> Off to have a look now - ta.
[01:16] <Xgates> so anyone know why gfxboot is in Karmic?
[01:17] <arand> NoelJB: yeah, though I'm not even sure whether it's grub2 or ubiquity that's the culprit here, some VBox broking to do I guess...
[01:19] <BronzeAu> I'm still reading about suppositories.
[01:19] <BronzeAu> whoops.
[01:19] <BronzeAu> repositories
[01:19] <BronzeAu> :-[
[01:20] <Xgates> and then what's odd is if Grub2 doesn't suport gfxboot, then there is no grub-gfxboot pkg in the repo too, so kind of odd to leave the themes in...
[01:20] <Xgates> hmmm
[01:20] <Xgates> suppositories LOL
[01:21]  * arand <3 VirtualBox
[01:24] <Mage__> Hello all
[01:25] <Mage__> Is there anyone here that can help me with sound problems?
[01:27] <MTecknology> Mage__: depends
[01:27]  * Crashbit a dormir!
[01:28] <Mage__> I can't seem to get 5.1 sound no matter what i try.  I have been trying since i believe 8.10 and still no luck.  I am using Ubuntu 9.10 on an asus m2v motherboard
[01:28] <MTecknology> Mage__: the first step is for us to know what's wrong
[01:28] <MTecknology> :P
[01:29]  * NoelJB wonders what people think of the newly monochromatic icons.  I'm missing the color and not really pleased.
[01:29] <[GuS]> Hi guys... Kubuntu karmic translations are broken again??
[01:31] <AdamB> Anyone else experiencing slow response time while web browsing?
[01:32] <test34> NoelJB, like the network connection and sound icons?
[01:33] <NoelJB> test34, and bluetooth (just changed in the latest update)
[01:35] <shadowhywind> hay all, when ever i do a ls command, I get one long listing, instead of the normal multiple columns look, any ideas on what to change?
[01:35] <test34> NoelJB, yeah some color could be good.. and maybe change the wired network connection icon
[01:36] <AdamB> anyone having slow internet response time on 9.10?
[01:36] <test34> AdamB, didnt notice any difference
[01:37] <AdamB> It takes forever to load domains but after I get onto a site things generally load right away
[01:38] <test34> AdamB, maybe you dns server is having issues?
[01:38] <test34> your
[01:38] <yofel_> shadowhywind: type 'alias' into the shell and check if ls is aliased to something else
[01:38] <shadowhywind> yofel: alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[01:38] <AdamB> test34: Is there a way to diagnose that?
[01:39] <yofel> shadowhywind: that's ok though... o.O
[01:39] <test34> AdamB, you could try to change them to www.opendns.com's servers and see if it's better
[01:39] <yofel> shadowhywind: and what does 'ls -la /bin/ls' tell you?
[01:40] <shadowhywind> yofel: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 113952 2009-06-05 07:47 /bin/ls
[01:41] <yofel> shadowhywind: you don't by chance have one_very_long_filename_.extension in the folder you're listing?
[01:41] <shadowhywind> i do have one... let me delete and see
[01:41] <AdamB> test34: What file contains the reference to DNS servers?
[01:41] <shadowhywind> yofel: (feels like an idiot)
[01:41] <test34> AdamB, or :$ dig domainname.com (use a domain name that you havent visited in a while because it might be cached)
[01:42] <shadowhywind> yofel: thanks for the help
[01:42] <test34> it should tell you how long it took to lookup the domainname.com
[01:42] <yofel> shadowhywind: np, happend to me too once ^^
[01:42] <test34> AdamB, /etc/resolv.conf
[01:43] <test34> AdamB, if you change them manually, they will probably get reset to default on reboot (if you edit /etc/resolv.conf)
[01:44] <AdamB> I just did a dig on  cnn.com got a query time of 15msec
[01:44] <Mage__> oh well guess i'll have to try again in the next release then
[01:44] <AdamB> pinging it now and it's taking forever.
[01:44] <test34> AdamB, it was probably cached... try :~$ dig etherpad.com
[01:44] <yofel> Mage__: you could try to ask dtchen when he's around
[01:44] <yofel> Mage__: he knows a lot about audio
[01:44] <AdamB> Still hung up pinging cnn.com
[01:45] <Mage__> it's ok it hasn't been solved in the last 2 years i doubt it will now
[01:45] <yofel> Mage__: then again, he's a very busy person ^^
[01:45] <test34> AdamB, maybe they dont reply to pings
[01:45] <AdamB> etherpad.com was 12msec
[01:46] <test34> AdamB, that doesn't seem to be the problem then..
[01:46] <AdamB> I'm trying a ping of etherpad now
[01:47] <AdamB> test34: I found this posted on ubuntu boards "edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf add in prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220"
[01:47] <JB100> Hello, I installed Karmic today and my cisco vpn client isn't working.  I receive an error "Could not attach to driver.  Is kernel module loaded?  I am using vpn client version 4.8.01
[01:48] <AdamB> test34: Is that changing DNS servers?
[01:48] <JB100> Has anyone seen this issue?
[01:48] <test34> AdamB, but your DNS server looks ok
[01:48] <AdamB> Ping time is averging around 70ms
[01:48] <test34> AdamB, did you try a different browser?
[01:48] <AdamB> Yea opera seems to be even worse
[01:49] <bjorkintosh> is there a standard usb cam driver for ubuntu?
[01:49] <AdamB> test34, this was an upgrade from 9.04 by the way. had no issues before.
[01:50] <test34> bjorkintosh, what's your webcam?
[01:51] <bjorkintosh> it's an hp i think.
[01:51] <test34> AdamB, I had an upgrade fom 9.04 also and it was fine... now I have a fresh beta install and it's also fine.. sorry I don't know what your problem is
[01:51] <JB100> Can anyone tell me if there is a known issue with 9.10 and the Cisco vpn client?
[01:51] <AdamB> test34, Thanks for the help anyway
[01:53] <test34> bjorkintosh, look at the list at: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ (or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam)
[01:54] <JB100> Hello-  I'm having a problem running the cisco vpn client after upgrading to 9.10.  Has anyone else seen this error after upgrade:  jimb@jimb-laptop:~$ vpnclient connect AmericasEast Cisco Systems VPN Client Version 4.8.01 (0640) Copyright (C) 1998-2007 Cisco Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Client Type(s): Linux Running on: Linux 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 Config file directory: /etc/opt
[01:56] <causasui> Doesnt look like an error message to me?
[01:56] <test34> to me neither
[01:57] <JB100> Ok, instead can you tell me how to resolve "could not attach to driver.  Is kernel module loaded?  The application was unable to commicate with the vpn sub-system.
[01:58] <JB100> An lsmod doesn't show the cisco vpn sub system running
[01:59] <AdamB> Under my network settings for my wired connections IPv6 settings is set to "ignore", is this normal?
[02:00] <AdamB> Also "MTU" is set to automatic
[02:01] <AdamB> It under "Last Used" for this connection is says "Never Used"
[02:02] <JB100> Test34, can I provide any information that will show an "error" to you?
[02:04] <test34> JB100, the second line you pasted looks like an error (could not attach to driver.  Is kernel module loaded?  The application was unable to communicate with the vpn sub-system.)
[02:05] <JB100> an lsmod doesn't show it loaded.
[02:06] <test34> JB100, try sudo /etc/init.d/vpnclient_init start
[02:06] <test34> then connect
[02:07] <JB100> I also tried to install it from a direct download from Cisco as a tar file.  The install fails with "Failed ot make module "cisco_ipsec.ko"
[02:07] <JB100> I tried doing the start as suggested
[02:07] <test34> this is a command from 2005, so it might have changed since then
[02:08] <test34> JB100, does the file  /etc/init.d/vpnclient_init exist?
[02:08] <JB100> yes, one sec I'm getting the error it throws when running the command
[02:09] <JB100> Starting Cisco vpnclient...
[02:09] <JB100> insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.31-11-generic/CiscoVPN/cisco_ipsec.ko': -1 Invalid module format
[02:09] <JB100> -e Building cisco_ipsec module for 2.6.31-11-generic kernel FAILED.
[02:09] <JB100> Check /usr/local/gds/vpnclient_install.log file for details.
[02:09] <JB100> done
[02:09] <JB100> Done
[02:09] <JB100> jimb@jimb-laptop:~$
[02:10] <JB100> So after running the start command I get the Failed message above
[02:10] <test34> JB100, pastebin.com /usr/local/gds/vpnclient_install.log (stop pasting so many lines here)
[02:10] <JB100> Sorry about that
[02:10] <yofel> !pastebinit
[02:12] <test34> JB100, you might need to install development software to be able to compile a compatible module
[02:12] <test34> (for your updated kernel)
[02:12] <JB100> ok, thanks
[02:13] <test34> but post the content of /usr/local/gds/vpnclient_install.log to http://pastebin.com
[02:15] <JB100> http://paste.ubuntu.com/286637/
[02:16] <AdamB> Sorry to ask this again but I'm looking for some help resolving an issue with a slow internet connection
[02:16] <AdamB> The actual speed seems fine, I just ran a speed test and download/upload was normal
[02:17] <NoelJB> Amaranth, you around?
[02:17] <AdamB> The problem seems to lie with finding the host. I just tried hulu and it took minutes for firefox while "Finding hulu.com", but now that I'm on the site browsing is very fast
[02:17] <jbuncher> anyone run into broken network-manager on latest round of karmic updates?
[02:17] <test34> JB100, I think you need a module compiled for your kernel version, but it doesnt say why the build fails.  You could try :~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:18] <NoelJB> jbuncher, no, but what do you mean by broken?  We just went through the bugs to see what still exists, and there are a few fixes coming.
[02:18] <NoelJB> jbuncher, one problem isn't in network manager.  a class of (non-free) network drivers wasn't being installed in the beta.
[02:19] <JB100> test34, I downloaded build-essential already.  I found some documentation regarding the failure that pointed me to that.
[02:19] <jbuncher> NoelJB : just updated a few minutes ago, and now it won't connect, it seems to crash when trying to tell it to connect to my usual network at home.  driver s iwl3945
[02:19] <test34> JB100, try to find a pre-built module for your kernel version then maybe
[02:20] <jbuncher> NoelJB : while updating, update-manager crashed as well
[02:20] <abarbaccia> im having a little trouble compiling v4l-dvb on karmic. says it cannot find dma.h and no kernel sources installed but i believe my build environment is setup correctly. can someone help me by testing on their machine
[02:20] <NoelJB> jbuncher, which version of network-manager?
[02:21] <jbuncher> NoelJB, do you have a link to changelogs?  I read it before updating, but I can't access it at the moment, as I can't be on here and check the package version
[02:22] <AdamB> What process is taking place when firefox says "Looking up.." for example when you first go to google.com it says "Looking up google.com"?
[02:22] <NoelJB> jbuncher, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413622
[02:22] <NoelJB> I don't even see that available to me, yet.
[02:24] <jbuncher> NoelJB : comment 12 was definitely n hte changelog of hte package I downloaded (at least, the changelog linked to by the update manager).  Let me mount the other partition to look at the network-manager package name.
[02:24] <geoff918> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) worked on initial boot, failed since (ran system upgrades on fresh Karmic install)
[02:24] <geoff918> Linux geoffrey-laptop 2.6.31-11-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 11:55:55 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:25] <NoelJB> geoff918, dpkg -l | grep network-manager ... what version do you have?
[02:26] <jbuncher> NoelJB : package name is network-manager_0.8~a~git.20091005t192303.1d28ad1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:27] <geoff918> @NoelJB: ii  network-manager                      0.8~a~git.20091005t192303.1d28ad1-0ubuntu2 network management framework daemon
[02:27] <geoff918> ii  network-manager-gnome                0.8~a~git.20090923t220421.1ac8ffd-0ubuntu4 network management framework (GNOME frontend
[02:28] <NoelJB> jbuncher, geoff918 OK what problem exactly are each of you seeing?  I don't see the package, yet, to install it.
[02:29] <geoff918> @NoelJB: Well, the wireless connection applet in the tray becomes unresponsive. From CLI, the network remains unconfigured. Attempt to configure from CLI responds "ignoring WLAN0"
[02:30] <jbuncher> NoelJB : Boot goes fine, looks like the driver loads ok according to dmesg.  I can click on the "reception bars" in the panel, to see a list of available networks (it's not auto-connecting like it usually does).  Upon clicking my usual network, the applet becomes unresponsive.  At no time is there a connection.
[02:30] <NoelJB> geoff918, hmm ... I wonder if there is a mismatch between the applet and the manager.  your applet is a week older than mine (PPA).
[02:30] <geoff918> Same exact bug as jbuncher
[02:31] <MaximLevitsky> I have very big problem
[02:31] <bjorkintosh> odd.
[02:31] <bjorkintosh> the kernel knows my camera's there.. (gspca)
[02:31] <bjorkintosh> but cheese doesn't think there's a camera installed at all...
[02:31] <MaximLevitsky> can I repair damaged files using dpkg/apt?
[02:31] <NoelJB> ok.  one of you please open a bug report now, and post the # back here.  I'll sub and make sure that asac sees it, too.  Soon as we can, we'll look at it.
[02:32] <jbuncher> geoff918, can you file the bug report?
[02:32] <geoff918> okay, sounds good--jbuncher
[02:32] <geoff918> I'll send the # back, you can attach your notes
[02:32] <jbuncher> sounds good
[02:32] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: if you know which package they're from you can re-install the package
[02:32] <MaximLevitsky> I don't know, that the problm
[02:33] <MaximLevitsky> problem
[02:33] <MaximLevitsky> There are many
[02:33] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: you can use apt-file to find out which package they belong to
[02:34] <jbuncher> NoelJB : a mismatch could be the issue, I don't have a nm-applet package in the /var/cache/apt/archives on that partition, so it must be an older version
[02:34] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: won't help me.. I did basic recovery, but I still see many strange errors
[02:35] <geoff918> what would be the best way to file the bug? Should it be filed as a network-manager bug?
[02:35] <NoelJB> jbuncher, soon as the @#$ thing shows up so I can install it, I'll know.
[02:35] <NoelJB> meanwhile, I'll got check the upstream changelog.
[02:36] <jbuncher> NoelJB : ok, thanks for your time
[02:36] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: then *I* would try to evaluate what takes longer: finding all errors and fixing them | reinstall the whole system
[02:36] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: since I don't know what errors you have I can't help you there
[02:37] <wirechief_> MaximLevitsky: i would check the livecd that you used to install with, use the grub selection for media check.
[02:37] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: sure, system basicly works
[02:37] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: thats the deed on 2.6.31-rc1
[02:37] <dooglus> can anyone help me to get a static IP on my wireless router please?
[02:37] <MaximLevitsky> that kernel has some bugs
[02:38] <wirechief_> dooglus just use a terminal and do sudo ifconfig and check for your ip
[02:38] <NoelJB> jbuncher, geoff918 please add your /e/n/i files to the report, unless they are just about the lo device.
[02:38] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: I noticed that a failed hibernation cycle would produce errors in the filesystem
[02:38] <dooglus> wirechief_: ok.  now what?
[02:39] <wirechief_> its listed in the results
[02:39] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: that time I was unlucky, and it hit all over the filesystem...
[02:39] <dooglus> wirechief_: it's 192.168.2.101 at the moment.  sometimes it's 192.168.2.102 or 192.168.2.100.  I'd like it it be the same each time.
[02:39] <NoelJB> jbuncher, geoff918 /e/n/i == /etc/network/interfaces
[02:39] <test34> dooglus, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[02:39] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: tried to fsck the disk? Other than that I don't know
[02:39] <jbuncher> NoelJB, got it
[02:39] <NoelJB> test34, NO!!!!!
[02:39] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: fsck as usual fscked the filesystem....
[02:39] <wirechief_> dooglus well some routers allow you to set it as fixed
[02:40] <test34> NoelJB, should he use network-manager?
[02:40] <dooglus> test34: thanks.  that doesn't seem to mention how to specify the wireless password though
[02:40] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: I was told I can use debsums to locate broken files
[02:40] <NoelJB> test34, NM 0.8 does a lot more with NOTHING in /e/n/i   old articles on setting up /e/n/i can do more damage than good.  unless someone has really good reason for messing in there, they should not touch them.
[02:40] <dooglus> test34: I've tried using network-manager, but it crashes each time I tell it to use a manual setup
[02:41] <NoelJB> dooglus, report those, because we've been working hard to remove those issues.
[02:41] <dooglus> NoelJB: I've submitted a crash a few minutes ago
[02:41] <NoelJB> dooglus, bug #?
[02:41] <NoelJB> :-D
[02:41] <test34> NoelJB, ok sorry, it worked fine with me
[02:41] <NoelJB> dooglus, and please provide relevant config files (not credentials, of course) and package versions.
[02:42] <dooglus> NoelJB: I tried to submit a previous crash, but it told me my network-manager was 'obsolete' :)  -- this despite only have updated a few hours previously, so I can see people are working on it.  how do I find the bug number?
[02:42] <NoelJB> test34, understood  :-)
[02:42] <yofel> MaximLevitsky: yes, debsums can indeed check if files were modyfied in any way after installation
[02:42] <dooglus> I used the dialog that popped up on the crash to submit it - not a web browser
[02:42] <yofel> I never used it though
[02:42] <NoelJB> dooglus, you said that you HAD submitted it.  that pop-up should have led you to a web browser eventually.
[02:43] <dooglus> NoelJB: I clicked the 'submit bug report' button - I'm assuming the crash thingy submitted a report for me
[02:43] <NoelJB> dooglus, should launch a browser to help you finish.
[02:43] <dooglus> as I remember, it said there was a segv in something like 'gtk-set-button-label'
[02:43] <MaximLevitsky> yofel: linux forever. If this was windows I would have to reinstall everything for sure....
[02:44] <geoff918> @NoelJB: Bug #444181 in Network-Manager
[02:44] <test34> NoelJB, what happens if you don't complete the bug filling (the part where the browser pops up)? Does someone still get the log files?
[02:44] <NoelJB> test34, don't know.
[02:44] <dooglus> I didn't see a browser pop up
[02:45] <NoelJB> bug 444181
[02:45] <dooglus> I can go through the process again if I can get the network manager to unfreeze itself
[02:45] <dooglus> it's not responding to any clicks at the moment
[02:49] <NoelJB> geoff918, jbuncher are you both running with encrypted wireless?
[02:49] <NoelJB> dooglus, see bug 444181
[02:49] <jbuncher> NoelJB, geoff918 : wpa personal
[02:49] <NoelJB> dooglus, and are YOU using encrypted WIFI?
[02:49] <dooglus> NoelJB: I am
[02:49] <dooglus> NoelJB: WPA(1)
[02:49] <NoelJB> jbuncher, I was wondering ... "Oct  5 20:58:11 geoffrey-laptop NetworkManager: supplicant_interface_acquire: assertion `mgr_state == NM_SUPPLICANT_MANAGER_STATE_IDLE' failed"
[02:49] <geoff918> @NoelJB: No, I almost included that bit of info. I'm not near anyone else. Just a wireless unencrypted Linksys Wireless-G router w/standard firmware
[02:50] <NoelJB> geoff918, interesting ... because the above came from your log.
[02:50] <NoelJB> I don't use WPA, either.  MAC filtering at the AP.
[02:51] <NoelJB> jbuncher, and dooglus if you're seeing that same bug, please subscribe and indicate that it effects you, too.
[02:51] <jbuncher> NoelJB : not to get off topic, but can't that be spoofed?  At any rate, did you still want e/n/i if it just has two lines related to lo?
[02:51] <NoelJB> jbuncher, nope.  if that's all it has, perfect :-)
[02:52] <geoff918> indeed, on a perhaps suddenly not so unrelated note: I did have a python crash as I was looking at my blank screen, and hadn't done anything else with the system
[02:52] <dooglus> NoelJB: I don't think I am.  wireless has always been sucky in linux for me - and so has network manager.  I've only seen it hang once though
[02:52] <geoff918> I have tried restarting, of course. It hasn't worked since I upgraded the system with the latest updates (~232 MB, had a fresh install from Karmic Beta)
[02:53] <dooglus> usually the connection just goes really slow every hour or so until I bounce the connection with ifdown; ifup
[02:53] <NoelJB> my wireless has been very solid.
[02:53] <geoff918> @NoelJB: My /e/n/i is boring as well, just the stock interface lines
[02:53] <NoelJB> especially with karmic.  intrepid and jaunty were iffy, hardy ... well, it's old.
[02:54] <geoff918> As a side-note my wireless has worked great since 9.04, 8.10 was buggy and required some extra config to make the wireless card work (was not supported in the kernel)
[02:54] <dooglus> I've only unstalled karmic a few hours back, but the wireless once again stopped working after an hour or so
[02:55] <Berzerker> is there a way I can upgrade to the bleeding edge of everything (like upgrade to latest daily build and latest RC kernel, etc)
[02:56] <Steil> yes
[02:56] <NoelJB> geoff918, jbuncher not recommending unless you're reasonably experienced, but I run against the network manager PPA.
[02:56] <Steil> Berzerker what are you running now?
[02:56] <geoff918> @NoelJB, I was just about to ask if I should give that a go
[02:56] <Berzerker> a daily build of karmic
[02:56] <Berzerker> but just like every week or so, upgrade to the latest daily.
[02:56] <Berzerker> or every few days
[02:56] <Steil> uhm
[02:56] <Steil> yes
[02:56] <Steil> its called upgrade
[02:56] <Steil> theres an update notifier that lets you know whats available to update
[02:56] <Berzerker> that's it? I thought that only upgraded like...apps
[02:57] <Steil> nope
[02:57] <Steil> if a new kernel or anything comes out
[02:57] <Steil> the packages get updated
[02:57] <Berzerker> even like an RC? I heard an RC kernel was out, but I haven't gotten any updates for it
[02:57] <NoelJB> geoff918, that's what I use.  feel free.  the one caveat I suggest is that until it is available separately, temporarily add the x-edgers PPA, install ppa-purge and (important) remove the x-edgers ppa.  ppa-purge makes it easy to remove things installed from ppas.
[02:57] <geoff918> @NoelJB: Okay, sounds good. I'll give it a try.
[02:57] <jbuncher> NoelJB, geoff918 :  added my info to the bug
[02:57] <NoelJB> Steil, I believe that Berzerker wants some sort of magic set of ppas that will give him bleeding edge of everything daily.
[02:58] <Berzerker> sure.
[02:58] <geoff918> @NoelJB: It's no big thing, really. This is an old system I don't use much anymore. Purely for testing new software and the like. If it goes kaput, I can just fresh install things.
[02:58] <Steil> Berzerker: if you want latest karmic, the update manager will keep you up to date as long as you're running karmic.
[02:58] <Berzerker> I guess.
[02:58] <Berzerker> ok then, thanks.
[02:59] <Steil> anyone try the karmic moblin remix thingy?
[02:59] <jbuncher> NoelJB, not sure what counts as "reasonably experienced", but I'm fine with editing config files and working at the cli with appropriate directions
[02:59] <NoelJB> looks like a few other people have reported.
[03:00] <NoelJB> drat, I just missed one of the other devs on #nm.  oh well.
[03:00] <NoelJB> geoff918, if you install the PPA code, please report if that fixes it.
[03:01] <jbuncher> NoelJB, is there a way to get the ppa package without apt-ing it on the affected system?
[03:01] <NoelJB> jbuncher, "reasonably experienced" == not likely to shoot self in foot dealing with PPA code for testing :-)
[03:02] <NoelJB> jbuncher, use apt-get to download to another system, copy .deb files, use dpkg to install.
[03:02] <NoelJB> jbuncher, or just use browser to download .debs directly, then copy and install.
[03:03] <jbuncher> NoelJB, ok, can you provide a link to the ppa?
[03:03] <jbuncher> NoelJB, would be neat if I could do this with a chroot or something....
[03:03] <geoff918> This is the link, right? deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[03:03] <geoff918> is that the PPA we're looking for?
[03:04] <NoelJB> jbuncher, https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages
[03:04] <NoelJB> geoff918, that is JUST to install the ppa-purge tool as a convenience.  I just gave you the network manager link, above.
[03:04] <geoff918> Ah, that makes more sense. It seemed the other one I found was for XOrg
[03:04] <NoelJB> geoff918, do NOT install anything else from x-edgers if you value your sanity.  :-)
[03:05] <geoff918> @NoelJB: lol, I'm sure.
[03:05] <NoelJB> ppa-purge is supposed to get a location of its own, but for now, x-edgers is the only place I can find it.
[03:06] <geoff918> Showing some build failures for the network-manager and *-applet
[03:06] <geoff918> 10-1 shows success, though
[03:07] <geoff918> oops, 10-1 is an openvpn build
[03:08] <NoelJB> geoff918, yes.  those should be fixed in tonight's (next) build, from what asac said.
[03:08] <geoff918> oh, okay, I see. Well, I'll wait on it then
[03:08] <Elone> hi, i have a problem with the pen on my tablet pc; the pen won't work on fresh boot, but work after i relogin ... any workaround?
[03:09] <shadowhywind> hay all having a problem. So far at least 4 times within the last hour, when someone sends me a text on pidgin, The sound comes from my laptop speakers, even though my headphones are pluged in
[03:10] <JB100> Can someone tell me what I should point a module build to in Karmic?  Is it /lib/modules/2.6.31-11-386/build?  Or is it /lib/modules/2.6.31-11-generic/build.  I'm running it on a Dell laptop
[03:10] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[03:10] <EruditeHermit> anyone having issues with network manager and wireless networks?
[03:11] <test34> EruditeHermit, 444181
[03:11] <jbuncher> EruditeHermit:  is it bug 444181?
[03:11] <geoff918> @EruditeHermit: lol, Bug...what test34 said
[03:11] <nErVe> hello everyone.
[03:11] <EruditeHermit> lol
[03:11] <EruditeHermit> everyone has it
[03:11] <nErVe> I upgraded to karmic now I cant boot into it..
[03:11] <nErVe> the screen flicker and keeps flickering
[03:12] <test34> I dont have this bug maybe because I dont use wireless
[03:12] <geoff918> @nErVe: Ah, X.Org reconfigure, probably
[03:12] <jbuncher> NoelJB, at the ppa link you sent, are there debs or just source?
[03:12] <nErVe> i do get a cli boot but the screen flickers and wont take login.
[03:12] <nErVe> geoff918, how do i get it working.
[03:12] <EruditeHermit> yep its 444181
[03:12] <geoff918> @nErVe: Are you able to use CLI at all?
[03:12] <EruditeHermit> does anyone have the old version of the package?
[03:12] <JB100> Test34, what module should I run a build against s it /lib/modules/2.6.31-11-386/build?  Or is it /lib/modules/2.6.31-11-generic/build.
[03:12] <nErVe> well if i use fix dpkg from reovery menu ..then i do
[03:13] <test34> JB100, look at $ uname -a
[03:13] <geoff918> @nErVe: give me a moment, I had a problem with that with an old machine. I'll have to look-up the fix again. Basically, you just have to run something like XOrg reconfigure...then it worked perfectly
[03:13] <nErVe> ohk please do I will wait
[03:14] <JB100> test34, it's 2.6.31-11-386.  So I use that instead of generic correct?
[03:14] <NoelJB> jbuncher, one sec ...
[03:14] <NoelJB> EruditeHermit, please self: add to the bug
[03:14] <geoff918> @nErVe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:14] <test34> JB100, probably (unless you plan on using a different one when you reboot
[03:14] <geoff918> @nErVe: sounds like perhaps you've tried this already?
[03:15] <JB100> Thanks, I'm just trying to make sure I'm doing the build correctly.
[03:15] <nErVe> yeah, I get soemthing like parent not found
[03:15] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, what do you mean?
[03:15] <nErVe> for some device
[03:15] <NoelJB> if you are experiencing that bug, add yourself as being effected.
[03:15] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, subscribe?
[03:15] <NoelJB> jbuncher, yes, you can expand the particular package you want, and there are urls for the .deb files.
[03:15] <nErVe> it all starts when the ntpd server starts not sure though
[03:16] <geoff918> Hmm, what video card do you have? you maybe could run lspci -v
[03:16] <NoelJB> jbuncher, for example https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+files/network-manager-gnome_0.8~a~git.20091002t194214.8515a07-0ubuntu1~nmt1_amd64.deb
[03:16] <nErVe> i have intel gma x3100
[03:16] <NoelJB> there is also a 32bit version.
[03:16] <nErVe> also etc/.modprobe.d/blacklist will be ignored error
[03:17] <nErVe> well its too much to recall, but yeah also etc/udev/rules.d blah blah
[03:17] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, is that the old package?
[03:18] <geoff918> Let me look that up for you. I think that the Intel stuff is going UXA-only
[03:19] <nErVe> geoff918, : cheers brb
[03:20] <geoff918> @nErVe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[03:21] <jbuncher> NoelJB, thanks for the link, but I need the 32 bit version, and I must be blind to the deb links, as I can't find them.
[03:21] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, sorry I got disconnected
[03:21] <jbuncher> NoelJB :  I'll check back a bit later, and try a wired connection when it looks like a new nm package has been uploaded.
[03:21] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, is the package you linked a fix?
[03:22] <NoelJB> jbuncher, try https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+files/network-manager-gnome_0.8~a~git.20091002t194214.8515a07-0ubuntu1~nmt1_i386.deb  that is a more up to date applet than I saw you guys using.
[03:22] <NoelJB> EruditeHermit, we don't know.  as noted, it is a more up to date applet.
[03:23] <NoelJB> not sure where the bug is, yet.
[03:23] <NoelJB> but the applet is reported as hanging.
[03:23] <NoelJB> I don't even see the dang update in my mirrors yet.
[03:23] <EruditeHermit> NoelJB, which mirrors are you using
[03:23] <EruditeHermit> i'd like to revert =)
[03:23] <NoelJB> whatever is selected for archive.ubuntu. here
[03:24] <jbuncher> NoelJB :  Thanks, I'll reboot to karmic and try, will log back on after I know the results
[03:25] <nErVe> geoff918, I cant make much of it
[03:25]  * nErVe ponders about life on a live CD
[03:25] <geoff918> well, I'm thinking your resolution might be OOB (out of bounds)
[03:26] <nErVe> geoff918, interesting so I guess i will have to manually edit the xorg file
[03:26] <geoff918> generally a good first place to start might be to drop the resolution into a very basic display like *gasp* 640 x 480 which any monitor can handle and any card
[03:26] <geoff918> if the auto-config doesn't do anything--sounds liek
[03:26] <geoff918> *like
[03:27] <EruditeHermit> i'll wait for jbuncher to return
[03:27] <nErVe> that would have been easy had I had internet access to rip off the x org from somewhere
[03:27] <EruditeHermit> I somehow don't think its the applet
[03:27] <geoff918> okay, brb, I'm going to try a restart as I've had some issues with the network-manager
[03:27] <EruditeHermit> I think its network-manager itself that is the problem
[03:27] <nErVe> does ntpd server have any problems
[03:30] <geoff918> Fixed!
[03:30] <EruditeHermit> geoff918, nice
[03:30] <geoff918> that link did work, EruditeHermit. You may wish to try to "update" (though it states it's an old version)
[03:31] <geoff918> So, I'm on wireless now
[03:31] <EruditeHermit> geoff918, which link
[03:31] <NoelJB> geoff918, so it IS fixed by using a more up to date applet?
[03:31] <jbuncher> NoelJB : Fixed by the up-to-date applet
[03:31] <NoelJB> perfect!
[03:31] <geoff918> @NoelJB: Yes.
[03:32] <EruditeHermit> ok let me try
[03:32] <geoff918> So, back to nErVe: Are you able to manually edit X Org or is that over you're head? (I mean no disrespect by that question at all)
[03:32] <geoff918> *your
[03:34] <jbuncher> NoelJB, geoff918 : added that info (newer applet fixed it) to the bug report.
[03:34] <geoff918> excellent, thank you both :)
[03:35] <geoff918> @NoelJB: could you provide the updated link to EruditeHermit? I have since restarted my system, so I don't have the link
[03:35] <NoelJB> geoff918, it is in the bug reportl.
[03:35] <geoff918> oh, sorry, thanks
[03:36] <geoff918> @EruditHermit: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages
[03:36]  * NoelJB likes it when a bug is ALREADY fixed.  :-)
[03:37] <EruditeHermit> thanks guys
[03:37] <EruditeHermit> I will try it out now
[03:37] <EruditeHermit> brb
[03:41] <geoff918> okay, I'm off to make dinner. Thank you all. :)
[03:42] <EruditeHermit> it worked
[03:42] <EruditeHermit> thanks guys!
[03:44] <jbuncher> NoelJB, thanks for all the help!
[03:44] <jbuncher> next time I'll wait for the updated applet as well
[03:44] <jdsbluedev> hi, I had come in here about 10 days ago complaining about gnome-volume-control not working and VLC not showing up when I run it (but definitely showing up in Activity Manager).  Does anyone know whether these have been fixed
[03:44] <jdsbluedev> ?
[03:47]  * joejc is back (gone 12:07:56)
[03:48] <joejc> where can i get the source code for the nautilus in 9.10?
[03:49] <NoelJB> joejc, with apt-get
[03:49] <joejc> hows?
[03:49] <MongoTheMad> thanks
[03:49] <MongoTheMad> whoops wrong chan
[03:50] <NoelJB> joejc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn
[03:50] <MongoTheMad> Is there a reason why the repositories are slow when you do a sudo apt-get update ?
[03:50] <NoelJB> joejc, see also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[03:50] <joejc> all i want is the source code for nautilus
[03:51] <joejc> ubuntus version
[03:51] <Jeruvy> joejc: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/nautilus/1:2.28.0-0ubuntu2
[03:51] <joejc> thanks
[03:52] <jdsbluedev> MongoTheMad: find a mirror.  I would, but I don't know where to find them
[03:52] <jdsbluedev> anyways, anyone know what the deal is on the fix for gnome-volume-control and VLC?
[03:53] <Jeruvy> jdsbluedev: um, check the bug status..?
[03:53] <MongoTheMad> jdsbluedev, yeah I would too. I think there was an update released that fixed a hanging login. It seems my login screen wont appear. Karmic  freezes when xorg loads
[03:53] <jdsbluedev> Jeruvy: where would I find that?
[03:54] <Jeruvy> jdsbluedev: same place you reported them and where all bugs are tracked.  launchpad.
[03:55] <MaximLevitsky> Isn't that a bug
[03:55] <MaximLevitsky> nautilus flatly refuses to show desktop picture
[03:56] <MaximLevitsky> ?
[03:57] <MongoTheMad> At least you have 9.10 running
[04:02] <jdsbluedev> Jeruvy: supposedly the problem might be related to Pulseaudio.  Would removing it affect the entire system?
[04:02] <Jeruvy> jdsbluedev: It would remove pulseaudio, but alsa should still be enabled.  ymmv.
[04:04] <jdsbluedev> well, I guess I can't do that anyways, b/c it would uninstall the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:05] <frewsxcv> i just installed 9.10 beta, upgraded all packages, and still have messages appear before loading screen after grub. is it a bug?
[04:05] <Jeruvy> frewsxcv: probably not
[04:06] <frewsxcv> Jeruvy, well someone on planet ubuntu posted that they are bugs, but i don't know if someone already filed it
[04:06] <MongoTheMad> is there a bug on the AMD64 version? xorg freezes after it loads
[04:07] <Jeruvy> frewsxcv: I didn't say they weren't, but since I haven't any specifics the best I can say is 'probably not'
[04:12] <MindSpark> vigo, I don't think that there's something missing really
[04:12] <MindSpark> I think it's a bug somehow
[04:12] <vigo> Only three weeks till we go to main?
[04:12] <MindSpark> because when I start up, the applet shows, then when I chose a network, it just stops responding and nothing happens
[04:13] <vigo> MindSpark: Yes, I have seen this three or four times this week, but since you have it installed, which we also need to check, I am guessing that all we need to do is re-create a launcher.
[04:14] <burner> anyone know how to get empathy to the notification area?
[04:14] <MindSpark> vigo, what does that mean ? as far as I understand it's part of the notification area
[04:14] <vigo> MindSpark: It could also be a conflict, two network managers just sounds odd to me.
[04:15] <MindSpark> vigo, network-manager-gnome is just the UI, the description says it's the frontend
[04:15] <vigo> MindSpark: Ok, it does not display that on this devel version.
[04:16] <MindSpark> I am doing another update, hopeing some fix might have been released
[04:16] <MindSpark> vigo, hah, looks like there's an update !
[04:17] <vigo> That sounds like the correct action. update/upgrade usually replaces and fixes stuff.
[04:17] <vigo> Sweet!
[04:17] <bostongeek24> hi
[04:18] <bostongeek24> i am trying to install 9.10 but it fails right in the middle of installing
[04:18] <MindSpark> vigo, I am happy I know linux in general, but I am sure such an issue could've made the system useless for someone who doesn't usually deal with the cli
[04:19] <vigo> MindSpark: Yes, that is the learning curve that we all face, and I like it because I am learning stuff again!
[04:19] <bostongeek24> can someone help me?
[04:19] <MTecknology> I'm getting some errors when I boot up..   "[drm: drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module." "[drm: intelfb_restore] *ERROR* Failed to restore crct configuration: -22" "DRM: Fill_in_dev failed."
[04:19] <MTecknology> Any idea what's causing them?
[04:19] <vigo> bostongeek24: Did you check the MD5?
[04:20] <bostongeek24> i got it right from ubuntu.com
[04:20] <MindSpark> bostongeek24, looks like you're using vesa
[04:20] <bostongeek24> whats that?
[04:20] <MindSpark> uhmmm, I mean the intel drivers
[04:20] <bostongeek24> << linux noob
[04:20] <vigo> !vesa
[04:20] <joejc> why r u using the beta?
[04:20] <joejc> atleast wait for the rc
[04:20] <bostongeek24> well
[04:21] <bostongeek24> i want to use firefox 3.5 for one thing
[04:21] <MindSpark> ok boys, gimme a couple of minutes, I'll restart and hope things go well again, brb
[04:21] <vigo> MindSpark: sounds good
[04:21] <joejc> u could install that in ubuntu 1.04
[04:21] <bostongeek24> and im assumeing eclipse 3.5 and the newest version of eric are up to date
[04:21] <MTecknology> !u | joejc
[04:21] <bostongeek24> and i just like using the latest version of software
[04:22] <joejc> iz kno kars bouts yo engish
[04:22] <joejc> k?
[04:22] <bostongeek24> so any ideas?
[04:23] <MTecknology> bostongeek24: I'd suggest using 9.04 until 9.10 is released. There's still a large number of bugs out there and some affect a large number of systems. In fact one of the recent bugs is pretty wide spread.
[04:23] <joejc> ifs u b hazing prolems wit mi engis dont red it
[04:23] <MTecknology> !u > joejc
[04:23] <bostongeek24> well heres another problem
[04:23] <joejc> u iz has prolum wit u?
[04:24] <MongoTheMad> !u > joejc
[04:24] <MTecknology> bostongeek24: allow me to introduce you to something great... - give me a minute; the last bug i referred to kills usability
[04:24] <joejc> iz dat a yhea?
[04:24] <bostongeek24> because it failed right in the middle of the install it deleted a lot of software that is now broken and i can't reinstall it because its trying to install 9.10
[04:24] <vigo> bostongeek24: Trying to figure this out, too many lines to read , you have a display issue or do you want FF3.5 or ,,,uhmmm
[04:25] <MindSpark> I would like to thank everyone and especially vigo for the moral support provided in the last few hours
[04:25] <bostongeek24> how do i clear the update manager and reinstall the stuff it deleted
[04:25] <bostongeek24> no vigo
[04:25] <vigo> MindSpark: NM up and running?
[04:25] <bostongeek24> i was trying to install 9.10
[04:25] <joejc> he isntalled da bta juts fo ff35
[04:25] <MindSpark> vigo, yep :D
[04:26] <vigo> bostongeek24: Ok, right, did you check the MD5?
[04:26] <joejc> anybdy havin trble reding dis?
[04:26] <bostongeek24> what does a checksum have to do with it? itsn't that to see if its a legit version of ubuntu?
[04:26] <bostongeek24> which i would assume it is as i downloaded it from ubuntu.com
[04:26] <joejc> iz no sayin u anymo
[04:26] <MTecknology> !ops | joejc for ignoring multiple warnings !english
[04:27] <vigo> bostongeek24: Among other things, yes
[04:27] <bostongeek24> so i guess my question now is since i can't install 9.10 how do i revert back to before i tried to instal?
[04:27] <DBO> joejc, cut it out
[04:27] <joejc> MTecknology, (i'm about to be kick so why not) U (yes i said you) HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM
[04:28] <joejc> bye
[04:28] <vigo> bostongeek24: It also ChecksUms the integrity of the disk and makes certain that the download,burn and whatever are in good working order.
[04:28] <bostongeek24> it deleted a bunch of programs and things that i can't reinstall because it tries to install the upgrade as well
[04:28] <vigo> Ahhhh
[04:28] <bostongeek24> so in a nutshell how do i reset update manager
[04:28] <MTecknology> DBO: I believe that's language now too, isn't it?
[04:28] <DBO> I dont have ops in here actually :P
[04:29] <vigo> MTecknology: You are correct, that person was just rude and interruptive.
[04:30] <joejc> i expected to be kicked after he said ops and banned after i said F***. irc ubuntu people usually suck and after you called my annoying freind a nigger i dont give a shit if i get banned
[04:30] <nalioth> that'll definitely do it
[04:30] <MTecknology> nalioth: thanks
[04:30] <MongoTheMad> nalioth, thanks
[04:31] <MTecknology> bostongeek24: I thought 9.04 now had 3.5 available as a dev package but if that's not the case, you can use a PPA to get a publicly built version of a package. Firefox daily build is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[04:31] <DBO> I enjoy having nalioth around
[04:31] <MTecknology> bostongeek24: instructions to install are included there as well
[04:31] <vigo> bostongeek24: here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/network-manager-applet/0.8~a~git.20090923t220421.1ac8ffd-0ubuntu4 and you can also get it from Synaptic Package Manager if it is missing.
[04:31] <MTecknology> DBO: nalioth is one of my favorite ops
[04:31] <MTecknology> which reminds me...
[04:32] <bostongeek24> how do i reset the update manager?
[04:33] <vigo> bostongeek24: You mean the sources and stuff?
[04:33] <bostongeek24> yes
[04:33] <bjorkintosh> cam works. ... sorta.
[04:33] <bostongeek24> because 9.10 install failed it left everything unstable so i need to reinstall the stuff that got deleted
[04:33] <bjorkintosh> it crashes skype the instant i attempt to test it.
[04:34] <vigo> bostongeek24: There is like a default button, but also I hope that you read the WARNINGS on the BETA install.
[04:35] <bostongeek24> i did
[04:35] <RPG_Master> The latest update just killed my wifi :(
[04:35] <bostongeek24> but ive never had an issue intalling beta software
[04:35] <MongoTheMad> Nobody has answered me: 9.10 hangs when I boot it. X starts but all I see is the mouse. Nothing else happens. It seems like it froze.
[04:35] <RPG_Master> And the network applet :(
[04:35] <bostongeek24> i guess this is a lession
[04:35] <RPG_Master> So, any help please?
[04:35]  * DBO makes a note not to upgrade
[04:35] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: is the interface there?
[04:36] <bostongeek24> there a huge bugs in 9.10 RPG_Master
[04:36] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: No :(
[04:36] <zmjjmz> uh, ok
[04:36] <zmjjmz> what wifi chip?
[04:37] <Res2216firestar> Hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble setting my screen resolution. Whenever I try to set my resolution to 1024x768, I get this: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8936/erroe.png
[04:37] <vigo> bostongeek24: Ok, things will most likely break or fail in any Beta, many times a fresh install is the only repair back to an unstable system. Which is what a Beta is, Unstable.
[04:37] <Steil> 卍
[04:37] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: referring to the applet right?
[04:37] <bostongeek24> well this isn't really a production machine
[04:37] <bostongeek24> its a vm so i can always just wipe it out and reinstall
[04:38] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: no, the hardware
[04:38] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: How can I check?
[04:38] <vigo> bostongeek24: Least the lessons are free and happy, I could start asking you to send $$$$$$!
[04:38] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: what's the output of lspci? pastebinit
[04:38] <vigo> But that is not the Linux way,,,,yet.
[04:38] <bostongeek24> lol
[04:39] <zmjjmz> Steil: wrong way around
[04:39] <bostongeek24> ok the update manager still won't let me reinstall what was deleted
[04:39] <Res2216firestar> sorry, my connection was kinda messing up
[04:39] <Steil> what are you talking about/
[04:39] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/286685/
[04:39] <bostongeek24> is there a way to wipe it out and start it from scratch?
[04:40] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: ok
[04:40] <zmjjmz> try doing a sudo apt-get update
[04:40] <vigo> bostongeek24: I suggest a fresh install and do not delete anything ....yet or for a time.
[04:40] <zmjjmz> then sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source
[04:42] <vigo> bostongeek24: This is GNU/Linux, just like any systems, they will eventually crash, these are just easier to put back in.
[04:42] <vigo> And never forget a backup.
[04:42] <bostongeek24> hmm update seems to be working
[04:42] <darthanubis> anyone here use liferea?
[04:43] <zmjjmz> nah, akregator
[04:43] <bostongeek24> i hit revert but when it came back it still said it can't install but i clicked install updates anyway and it seems to be working
[04:43] <vigo> bostongeek24: It fixed itself! dang I love GNU/Linux
[04:44] <vigo> But still make or learn how to make backups
[04:44] <bostongeek24> theres nothing really on here i care about
[04:44] <bostongeek24> as i said im running this in a vm
[04:44] <bostongeek24> im using it for programming
[04:45] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: OK, did it. now what?
[04:45] <bostongeek24> the most i would lose is practice programs and stuff
[04:45] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: is it there?
[04:45] <vigo> Yeah, same here, all the data I care about goes on a DVD/CD,Tape or HDD.
[04:46] <zmjjmz> tape?
[04:46] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: No, should I reboot?
[04:46] <zmjjmz> maybe
[04:46] <vigo> 10" reels
[04:46] <zmjjmz> try sudo modprobe wl first
[04:46] <bostongeek24> you should always reboot
[04:46] <bostongeek24> when in doubt reboot
[04:47] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: That did nothing :/
[04:47] <zmjjmz> did it have any errors?
[04:47] <zmjjmz> oh, rigt
[04:47] <zmjjmz> jockey.gtk
[04:47] <zmjjmz> er
[04:47] <zmjjmz> jockey-gtk
[04:47] <RPG_Master> ?
[04:47] <zmjjmz> do that
[04:47] <darthanubis> also if one where to put the invest applet on the top panel and click it, it leaves an artifact in compiz that will not go away except for a restart of the desktop
[04:48] <zmjjmz> figures
[04:49] <vigo> When in doubt, back up the stable system, or essential part, then re-boot/restart.
[04:50] <ssbg> hi, after latest karmic update my wlan stopped working. any idea how to get past the issue?
[04:50] <zmjjmz> or take a vm snapshot
[04:50] <vigo> Yes that also
[04:51] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: I have my broadcom drivers are installed
[04:52] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: ok
[04:52] <zmjjmz> the sta one?
[04:52] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: yep
[04:52] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: :/
[04:52] <zmjjmz> does ifonfig still not have the UI?
[04:52] <zmjjmz> er
[04:53] <zmjjmz> the interface
[04:53] <ArkoldThos> at newest Kaffeine where is the button to add subtitles?
[04:53] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone know if NetworkManager currently has issues connecting to hidden SSID wireless networks?
[04:53] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: nope :(
[04:53] <zmjjmz> :/
[04:53] <zmjjmz> :|||
[04:53] <RPG_Master> Ima reboot :(
[04:53] <zmjjmz> does lsmod list wl?
[04:54] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, see also bug 444181
[04:55] <vigo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsmod
[04:55] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: Nope
[04:55] <zmjjmz> I'd reboot
[04:55] <vigo> http://linux.die.net/man/8/lspci Devices
[04:56] <RPG_Master> reboot I will
[04:56] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: this has to do with NetworkManager working fine, it just does not try to pulse a network added with "Connect to Other Network..."
[04:56] <Sir_Brizz> ?
[04:57] <Sir_Brizz> dmesg doesn't show the wirless even trying to connect
[04:58] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, hmmm ... you have the latest (today's) NM?
[04:58] <Sir_Brizz> I upgraded to 9.10 about 2:00pm mdt
[04:58] <Sir_Brizz> haven't updated since then
[04:58] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, new code came after that, but see the aforementioned bug report.
[04:59] <Sir_Brizz> k I'll update and try again
[04:59] <NoelJB> lots of new bug fixes in todat's NM, *but* it appears to require the unreleased nm-applet
[04:59] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, if you do not also get the unreleased applet from the ppa, people appear to have major problems.
[04:59] <Sir_Brizz> okay I will add the ppa
[04:59] <Sir_Brizz> it won't ruin a hard line will it?
[05:00] <NoelJB> hopefully, asac can push the applet to main today.  I'm waiting for him to wake up (in the EU)
[05:00] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, don't think so.  I run from PPA, so I've had the new applet for a while.
[05:01] <Sir_Brizz> how about in Kubuntu?
[05:02] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, not a clue!
[05:02] <Sir_Brizz> how does Kubuntu network manager compare? are they running the same code?
[05:05] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, should be the same NM, different GUI code.  But I would have to look.  I only run kubuntu in a VM.
[05:05] <crdlb> it's the same NetworkManager daemon
[05:05] <NoelJB> thanks crdlb :-)
[05:05] <Sir_Brizz> hmm so it could just as well be the plasma widget causing this problem though?
[05:05] <RPG_Master> Well, I got the applet back :/
[05:05] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz:
[05:05] <NoelJB> crdlb, are you running kubuntu?  do you know if there are any problems with it and today's updates?
[05:05] <Sir_Brizz> I added a hidden wireless SSID and it won't even pulse it
[05:06] <crdlb> NoelJB: nope and nope
[05:06] <RPG_Master> O_O
[05:06] <RPG_Master> its gone
[05:06] <RPG_Master> :'(
[05:07] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: is the interface gone?
[05:07] <Sir_Brizz> it works fine on a scanned SSID so I'm guessing a bug but I don't know if I should report it
[05:07] <SUPEROGT> exit
[05:08] <RPG_Master> It detected my wifi before I disconnected the cable and then it just died on me or something :(
[05:08] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: yep :(
[05:08] <zmjjmz> :/
[05:08] <zmjjmz> bug report time?
[05:08] <Sir_Brizz> actually
[05:08] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: could it be because I'm trying to use WEP?
[05:09] <RPG_Master> I am using wep :(
[05:10] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, today's bug fixes are listed under https://bugs.launchpad.net/network-manager/+bug/413622/comments/12
[05:10] <jbuncher> is acroread going to be in the karmic partner repository?
[05:10] <vigo> NoelJB: I am running Edbuntu, added a bunch of KDE to it.
[05:11] <Sir_Brizz> hmm I don't see anything about WEP in there
[05:12] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, I see WPA fixes within the past week (checking the upstream source control log)
[05:13] <Sir_Brizz> hmm
[05:13] <Sir_Brizz> well all I know is it's not working for me
[05:13] <Sir_Brizz> this could be a Kubuntu specific bug
[05:13] <RPG_Master> I shouldn't have updated to the beta :(
[05:14] <Sir_Brizz> hidden wireless SSID using WEP, dmesg shows no pulse attempted
[05:14] <vigo> Sir_Brizz: There is a load of WEP errors on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=65016183
[05:14] <zmjjmz> try using ceni
[05:14] <zmjjmz> I gues
[05:14] <Sir_Brizz> hah
[05:14] <Sir_Brizz> of course
[05:15] <Sir_Brizz> ahteros a928x problems
[05:15] <Sir_Brizz> pos wireless adapter for the win
[05:15] <vigo> Any of y'all tried Wicd?
[05:15] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, if you want, open a bug report.  but please try against the newest code first.
[05:15] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, we're trying to nail as many confirmed bugs as possible.
[05:16] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: I'm opn the latest code for Kubuntu
[05:16]  * mjbrooks grabs a hammer
[05:17] <vigo> Is dark outside, niters.
[05:17] <RPG_Master> If its atheros problems then why I am I being effected?
[05:18] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, as noted, there was an updated network-manager package this evening.
[05:18] <Sir_Brizz> RPG_Master: are you having the same issue as me?
[05:18] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: doesn't seem to be on the repo for me...
[05:18] <RPG_Master> can't connect to any wifi, and applet is missing?
[05:18] <Sir_Brizz> can I check what version of that package I have?
[05:18] <Sir_Brizz> RPG_Master: did you try installing nm-applet from the ppa?
[05:19] <RPG_Master> Sir_Brizz: What's that?
[05:20] <Sir_Brizz> I have network-manager 0.8a~git.20090923t064445.b20cef2-0ubuntu2
[05:22] <RPG_Master> Sir_Brizz: What is nm-applet?
[05:23] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, there is a newer one dated today.
[05:23] <Sir_Brizz> why don't I see it in the repo?
[05:23] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, 0.8~a~git.20091005t192303.1d28ad1-0ubuntu2
[05:23] <Sir_Brizz> aptitude search shows the same one
[05:23] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: the applet
[05:23] <RPG_Master> Sir_Brizz: What is nm-applet :/
[05:23] <NoelJB> heck if I know.  took hours before I was seeing it.  All these other people were having trouble, and I was flying blind.  LOl
[05:23] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: ifconfig really doesn't have eth1?
[05:23] <Sir_Brizz> maybe my mirror is out of date
[05:24] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, nm-applet is the network-manager-gnome applet
[05:24] <RPG_Master> Sorry, I pressed the up key :P
[05:24] <Sir_Brizz> I should change back to the main us mirror
[05:24] <RPG_Master> one to many times :/
[05:24] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, but Sir_Brizz uses KDE.
[05:24] <RPG_Master> So nm-applet is not in my repos :(
[05:24] <NoelJB> mjbrooks, hammer?
[05:25] <mjbrooks> NoelJB, to nail bugs  ;)
[05:25] <Sir_Brizz> here goes nothing
[05:25] <zmjjmz> RPG_Master: uh, it should be
[05:25] <Sir_Brizz> I see the updated package now
[05:25] <zmjjmz> is NetworkManager there?
[05:26] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: network-manager
[05:26] <RPG_Master> yep
[05:27] <RPG_Master> zmjjmz: and network-manager-gnome
[05:27] <zmjjmz> yep
[05:27] <zmjjmz> the second is the apple
[05:27] <zmjjmz> *applet=
[05:27] <RPG_Master> :P
[05:27] <RPG_Master> I want mah apple :(
[05:27] <RPG_Master> and my applet :(
[05:29] <Sir_Brizz> still can't connect with the latest network-manager
[05:30] <RPG_Master> :O I found the applet in the system monitor!
[05:30] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, please file a bug report.  provide log from network manager.  you can also kill network manager, and start it as with the --no-daemon option, which will run it as a normal process AND turn on debug messages.
[05:30] <Sir_Brizz> can you help me with that?
[05:30] <Sir_Brizz> where is the network manager log?
[05:30] <RPG_Master> "futex_wait_queue_me"
[05:31] <RPG_Master> is what it says under waiting channel
[05:31] <RPG_Master> what does this mean?
[05:31] <RPG_Master> This has to help finding out whats going on, right? :|
[05:31] <RPG_Master> :/
[05:31] <RPG_Master> :(
[05:32] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, you are familar with a terminal session and sudo?
[05:32] <Sir_Brizz> yes
[05:32] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, kill the NetworkManager process, and restart it as NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:32] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, that will run it in the console for you, and you can capture the output,.
[05:33] <RPG_Master> should I kill nm-applet?
[05:33] <Sir_Brizz> it says "could not acquire the NetworkManager service as it is already taken
[05:33] <Trizicus> I just updated network-manager and i'm having problems connecting to my hidden wifi what should I do?
[05:33] <RPG_Master> will it restart if I kill it?
[05:34] <RPG_Master> Trizicus: Welcome to the club :(
[05:34] <Trizicus> everyone is?
[05:34] <Trizicus> i tried restarting and killing nm-applet
[05:34] <Trizicus> and running from CLI and i get this error
[05:34] <Trizicus> ** (nm-applet:2190): CRITICAL **: nm_settings_interface_list_connections: assertion `settings != NULL' failed
[05:35] <JoeSomebody> hi, could i ask what you guys are using for irc clients?
[05:35] <RPG_Master> JoeSomebody: X-Chat
[05:35] <Sir_Brizz> JoeSomebody: irssi
[05:35] <Trizicus> ^
[05:35] <Trizicus> xchat
[05:35] <NoelJB> Trizicus, bug 444181
[05:35] <JoeSomebody> i treid xchat but i cant figure out the colors
[05:36] <cdm10> is it just me, or does a fully-updated Software Center not work at all?
[05:36] <JoeSomebody> i am coming from windowsland and mirc
[05:36] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, you have to be root, stop the process (killall -9 NetworkManager) and run the command.
[05:36] <cdm10> JoeSomebody: I like Xchat -- but right now I'm on Pidgin 'cause I'm a masochist. And feeling lazy.
[05:36] <JoeSomebody> ill try irssi
[05:36] <NoelJB> xchat is my preference
[05:36] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: that's what I'm doing
[05:37] <Sir_Brizz> I did sudo su
[05:37] <Sir_Brizz> killall -9 NetworkManager
[05:37] <darthanubis> I don't use xchat without the "black theme"
[05:37] <Sir_Brizz> NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:37] <cdm10> software center doesn't seem to be installing anything for me right now. Just me, or is it really broken?
[05:37] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, and you're getting an error?
[05:37] <Sir_Brizz> yes
[05:37] <Sir_Brizz> it says it's a warning but then I get exiting (error)
[05:38] <Sir_Brizz> here is the specific line
[05:38] <Sir_Brizz> NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManager service as it is already taken.
[05:39] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, this works perfectly for me: root@karmic:~#  killall -9 NetworkManager; NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:39] <Sir_Brizz> NetworkManager: <WARN>  main(): Failed to start the dbus service.
[05:39] <RPG_Master> I get a very similar error :/
[05:39] <Sir_Brizz> NetworkManager: <info>  exiting (error)
[05:39] <mercutio22> so tor is not available from karmic's repository?
[05:39] <Trizicus> how do i revert updates in ubuntu :D
[05:39] <JoeSomebody> guess i wont, it did not install ........ sudo apt-get install irssi ......is that right?
[05:40] <RPG_Master> JoeSomebody: If your used to MIRC then maybe you would be better off with X-Chat
[05:40] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, oh wait ... I'll bet I know ... it is upstart!
[05:40] <Sir_Brizz> JoeSomebody: should be
[05:40] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: I need to kill it or something?
[05:40] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, if you kill it, upstart restarts it.  one sec ...
[05:41] <JoeSomebody> xchat looks ok except the colors thing 1,2,3,4,5 dont tell me a thing
[05:41] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, try service network-manager stop
[05:41] <NoelJB> worked for me on one line because I probably beat the race condition.
[05:42] <RPG_Master> JoeSomebody: I am just saying, irssi is command line based
[05:42] <Sir_Brizz> that worked
[05:42] <NoelJB> :-)
[05:42] <RPG_Master> :O
[05:42] <RPG_Master> FIX ME :O
[05:42] <RPG_Master> what you do?
[05:42] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: okay so should I try to restart knetworkmanager now?
[05:43] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, is that the GUI for doing the connect?
[05:43] <Sir_Brizz> yeah
[05:43] <NoelJB> go for it
[05:43] <JoeSomebody> i am surprised if there are not a lot of scripts for linux, and sad about it
[05:43] <NoelJB> JoeSomebody, huh??
[05:44] <JoeSomebody> there are a million irc for windows it seems
[05:44] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, he did (as root) service network-manager stop; NetworkManager --no-daemon
[05:44] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: NetworkManager: <WARN> user_connection_get_settings_cb(): user_connection_get_settings_cb: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingWireless' / 'ssid' invalid: 1
[05:44] <JoeSomebody> are there onyl a few in luinux?
[05:45] <RPG_Master> NoelJB: Anything needed to be changes for gnome?
[05:45] <JoeSomebody> cant type , going to bed
[05:45] <RPG_Master> in that command
[05:46] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: I tried deleting the connection from the wireless manager settings and readded it and got that same error
[05:46] <Sir_Brizz> that's all it does
[05:46] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, open a bug report and post the info  :-)
[05:47] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, I am running it here on gnome.  the caveat, as noted in the bug report, is that you'd better have the latest nm-applet (network-manager-gnome) from the PPA, because the released one isn't working.
[05:48] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, what I don't know is if it is a NM bug or an interface between NM and knetworkmanager bug.
[05:48] <RPG_Master> NoelJB: Can you give me the link to the PPA?
[05:48] <NoelJB> https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages
[05:49] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: me neither... so where should I file it?
[05:49] <RPG_Master> NoelJB: Thanks
[05:49] <Sir_Brizz> is there a way to file it under multiple packages?
[05:50] <NoelJB> Sir_Brizz, against NM for now, and it can be adjusted as necessary.  please add me to the subscriber list, or post the bug # back here.
[05:50] <RPG_Master> NoelJB: Which packages do I need to install?
[05:50] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, if you add the PPA, you can just do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
[05:51] <NoelJB> or aptitude safe-upgrade if you prefer.
[05:54] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, but it looks like the new applet might be heading for main, too.
[05:55] <RPG_Master> Well, I am installing it now! :D
[05:55] <NoelJB> perhaps the depends might have been configured to prevent nm from installing until the applet were ready, but water under the bridge.
[05:55] <RPG_Master> I REALLY hope it works
[05:55] <RPG_Master> :(
[05:55] <NoelJB> did for others.  we'll see.  if not, you'll open a bug report.
[05:56] <RPG_Master> OK, its installed, what now? Run a command?
[05:57] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, there is a command, as I recall, to reload that stuff, or you can log out of gnome and log back in.
[05:57] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, were you just upgrading the applet, or NM, too?
[05:59] <RPG_Master> That fixed it :D
[06:00] <RPG_Master> Thanks allot NoelJB :)
[06:00] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, :-)
[06:00] <bullgard4> During booting I obtain the message: "T43 login: render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010; page table error; PGTBL_ER: 0x000000100; [drm:915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking." How to troubleshoot?
[06:00] <Sir_Brizz> NoelJB: 444262
[06:00] <RPG_Master> When should I disable the trunk PPA?
[06:02] <Sir_Brizz> bug 444262
[06:07] <NoelJB> RPG_Master, whenever you want
[06:09] <aprilhare> hey. checked upgrade-manager and it wants to remove emacs, evolution-plugins-experimental, libgd2-noxpm and libqt4-core, as part of a partial upgrade. is this bad.
[06:09] <aprilhare> don't like deleting emacs either
[06:11] <NoelJB> aprilhare, yes, that's not what you want.
[06:11] <aprilhare> silly universe
[06:11] <NoelJB> aprilhare, although ... emacs was upgraded today from emacs22 to emacs23
[06:11] <aprilhare> NoelJB: so do i just wait?
[06:12] <NoelJB> aprilhare, wait for the partial to go away.  sometimes you might try aptitude safe-upgrade from a command line.
[06:12] <NoelJB> every once in a while it takes a bit more of a hammer.
[06:15] <aprilhare> yeah i think i'll wait :)
[06:15] <aprilhare> heh
[06:18] <hifi> even upgrade-manager knows how horrible emacs is
[06:18]  * hifi hides
[06:18]  * NoelJB mutters, "another vi [l]user"
[06:19]  * hifi throws rocks from the vi base and curses
[06:19] <NoelJB> hifi, vi would be lucky to know how to use curses  :-p
[06:19] <hifi> hehe
[06:19] <Tronic> I don't see why anyone would use vi when there is vim.
[06:20] <hifi> Tronic: the battle is about vi and emacs, it doesn't matter which variation you use
[06:20] <Tronic> :P
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> busybox minimal system and its 'vi' busybox mode. :)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> is always a fun change when you are used to vim.
[06:20] <jussi01> lets keep on topic shall we?
[06:20] <bullgard4> During booting I obtain the message: "T43 login: render error detected, EIR: 0x00000010; page table error; PGTBL_ER: 0x000000100; [drm:915_handle_error] *ERROR* EIR stuck: 0x00000010, masking." How to troubleshoot?
[06:20] <Tronic> Emacs is unable to indent properly with tabs, so I think it is therefore disqualified before the competition even starts.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> Tronic:  you need the 'indent properly with tabs enabled extension'
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> Now to trouble shoot my USB flash drive issues some more.
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> yea. Seems to be working now with the latest updates.
[06:23]  * Dr_Willis goes back to customizing xsplash and the grub and gdm  backgrounds.
[06:27] <jbuncher> don't suppose there's going to be a gui for the gdm theme/background?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> I just edited the images in /usr/share/images/xsplash
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> the dithered/gradients they got now. look just NASTY on my display
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> and ive still not figured out the logic in the size/what size is actually used.
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> When my systems boot - it seems that 2 different images get used.   Must be X changeing res during the gdm.xsplash/startup
[06:32] <Shtl> I am upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 but its giving me error http://pastebin.com/m47b21182, plz can any one help me???
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> To see whats going on. I edideted each file in /usr/share/iumages/xsplash and put the 'res' at the top left corner  -  This monitor is 1680x1050 and that file is definatly NOT the one used.
[06:36] <jbuncher> is acroread going to be in the karmic partner repos?
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> brb
[06:38] <Berzerker> is the Ubuntu One app supposed to actually do anything?
[06:39] <Berzerker> just opens and closes for me
[06:39] <simba_> can i turn on the <ctrl><alt><backspace> to restart X somewhere?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> simba_:  yes. theres a gnome setting to enable it.
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> and i saw a guide on doing it globally also somewhere.
[06:40] <jbuncher> Berzerker, did you activate an account?
[06:40] <Berzerker> jbuncher, uh...no
[06:40] <Berzerker> where do I do that?
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> its in my Delicious ubuntu links.  :) let me see if i can find it.
[06:40] <simba_> Dr_Willis, thanx, i'll look for it on gnome settings
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-enabledisable-ctrlaltbackspace-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[06:41] <jbuncher> Berzerker, I can't quite remember, but maybe right-click on the icon that shows up in the panel and click on "Go to Web", it was something like that.  Then you log in with your launchpad info and choose the free/paid storage.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> that proberly needs to be added to the !dontzap factoid.. since dontzap dont work any more
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> simba_:  or just learn to use alt-sysreq-K  :)
[06:43] <simba_> Dr_Willis, and unlearn my bad habbits? o.O
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> simba_:   I imagine that many a new disrto/livecd will also be using the change.. so yes. :)
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> also  the alt-sysreq-k some how works at a 'kernel' level - so can reset/restart when the system is really locked up bad.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Or so i read. :) i rarely have to use the combo these days
[06:47] <Berzerker> jbuncher, I got my account setup, computer added, but I see no option to put in login details to update my account
[06:47] <Berzerker> jbuncher, and hitting connect does nothing
[06:48] <jbuncher> Berzerker, in the web interface, you need to add the computer
[06:48] <simba_> Dr_Willis, i just ended up with a brown screen in x and a remember an easy way to restart x would have been nice :)
[06:48] <jbuncher> Berzerker, it wasn't the most intuitive thing for me either, so I just followed the directions on the web.
[06:49] <Berzerker> jbuncher, did that, clicking connect for the 8th time finally got rid of the X and changed it to "Disconnect"
[06:49] <Berzerker> and I see my files slowly start to appear on the one website, thanks.
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> simba_:  get a sticker and stick on your sysreq key. :)
[06:49] <jbuncher> Berzerker, yeah, it's a fairly slow update, not sure why that is.  oh well.
[06:49] <Berzerker> lots of people maybe?
[06:50] <jbuncher> could be, though I doubt it, was slow back in alpha 6.
[06:51] <Berzerker> jbuncher, looks like it's just setting up the folder now, each folder is empty lol
[06:51] <jbuncher> Berzerker, yeah, it will take a while
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> Now to edit  the throbber so i got a little tux walking down a line.... :)
[06:53] <Berzerker> jbuncher, thanks man
[06:54] <hifi> I'd like the IM/Email icon would work with thunderbird
[06:57] <NoelJB> FWIW, it looks like network-manager-gnome *just* hit the repositories (at least for me).  so people should not need the PPA
[06:58] <jbuncher> NoelJB : yeah, I think I saw it hit there an hour or so ago (on the mirrors I use), I upgraded and rebooted, all is still good.
[06:59] <NoelJB> jbuncher, :-)
[06:59] <jbuncher> NoelJB, yeah, I'll be waiting for the entire "network-manager" set before upgrading next time
[07:00] <NoelJB> jbuncher, I'll ask asac about the Depends: setup for next time.
[07:00] <aprilhare> gvim ftw
[07:00] <aprilhare> bye
[07:02] <jbuncher> anyone know what "ibus" is?
[07:04] <Shtl> I am upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 but its giving me error http://pastebin.com/m47b21182, plz can any one help me???
[07:04] <jbuncher> tasslehoff, why insult the door's purpose by locking it?
[07:06] <NoelJB> Does anyone know how to tell the new login display that I want a 24 hour clock and not a silly AM/PM thing?
[07:07] <jbuncher> NoelJB :  Nope, sorry.  I'm hoping they give the option to have the blank "username" field like they used to, rather than clicking on the username.
[07:07] <tasslehoff> jbuncher, :D
[07:08] <NoelJB> jbuncher, yes.  the current one is more convenient but arguably less secure.
[07:09] <jbuncher> NoelJB :  Yeah, and I just prefer the blank "username" field asethetically, and out of habit.
[07:09] <bullgard4> What does 'KMS' stand for in "KMS error message while initializing modesetting (during boot and resume)" (Launchpad bug #404064)?
[07:10] <NoelJB> kernel mode switching
[07:10] <NoelJB> or setting
[07:10] <tasslehoff> jbuncher, I actually had forgotten that quote, so I didn't understand what you meant at first :)
[07:10] <NoelJB> bullgard4, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting
[07:11] <jbuncher> tasslehoff, hehe yeah, it's a good one.
[07:11] <jbuncher> that's a bit off-topic though, just wanted to give the shoutout
[07:13] <bullgard4> NoelJB: Thank you very much for your help.
[07:15] <mac_v> bullgard4: you could also use > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X
[07:15] <mac_v> that leads to all the X related topics
[07:18] <tasslehoff> an on-topic post as well then, to get back on track. is "update-manager -d" nice and stable now? I'm considering an upgrade soon.
[07:19] <bullgard4> mac_v: I already found the appropriate Launchpad bug.  --  Thank you.
[07:19] <mac_v> oh... :)   np
[07:20] <doktoreas> hello folks
[07:20] <doktoreas> I just updatede  my karmic beta and now I can't connet to the wifi network anymore
[07:21] <doktoreas> if I choose the ESSID of my lan nm-applet crash
[07:21] <doktoreas> not really crash but if I click it nothing happen
[07:26] <NoelJB> doktoreas, bug 444181
[07:26] <NoelJB> doktoreas, the new (necessary) network-manager-gnome package should have hit the update servers by now.  try apt-get update again and see if it is available for you without having to use the PPA.
[07:27] <doktoreas> thank you mate..
[07:27] <Sledger> hello
[07:27] <Sledger> ubuntu live session, USB, says my hard disk is failling,
[07:27] <commander__> does anone has reboot on 9.10
[07:27] <Sledger> and i would like to run fsck on it, but it says fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:  the warning is a little 'overly' seneseive it seems.. see why it says its failing. It still may be worth getting a new hard drive soon.
[07:28] <Sledger> this is a brand new netbook
[07:28] <slacker_nl> commander__: I did reboot today, but with problems, had to restore an older image
[07:28] <Sledger> Dr_Willis: how can i run a file check on it
[07:28] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, the overly sensitive bits ought ought to be pretty toned down by now.  any new messages, based on the new code, I'd start to worry about.
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:   depends on the filesystem on the thing...
[07:29] <slacker_nl> commander__: got initramfs shell :/
[07:29] <Sledger> stdin: error 0
[07:29] <Sledger> i installed kubuntu 9.04 earlier today, but now ive decided its to flashy, and runs slow..
[07:29] <Sledger> so i used unetbootin to format my 16gb flash drive, and the flash drive seems to have two partitions sdb, sdb1
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> NoelJB:  its  says mine is failing :) even tho the seagate tools  says its on. (yes it does have a few bad sectors higher then the count/# it wants') but thats not  quite the same as 'failure enniment'
[07:29] <Sledger> but.. now i want to install karmic-desktop 9.10
[07:30] <Sledger> it won't even let me install onto it
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> It also says it got over temp. Once..
[07:30] <Sledger> when it gets to Detecting file systems it hangs at 10%
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:  if you dont have anything isntalled on it.. you cant really fsck the filesystem.. if thers no filesystem to check.
[07:30] <Sledger> i have kubuntu 9.04 installed on it
[07:31] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, having paid ~$1000 for crucial data recovery a number of years back when a drive's head rack assembly decided to quit, I'm more cautious.
[07:31] <Sledger> it says my hdd has some bad sectors
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> i normally just boot a live cd/flash and use the console to fsck.ext3 the drives.
[07:31] <NoelJB> and I do frequent backups.  like the one I'll start now while heading to bed :-)
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> NoelJB:  yep. But i recall google's study also saying that smart monitoring is still a technology in its infantcy. and yes. the drive that it sais is failing is now just a spare dumpin ground for my downloads/other clutter that i do have backups of. :)
[07:32] <Sledger> Dr_Willis:  it says No such file or directory
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> trying to make it totally fail.. so i can send it back to segate. :) gotta love 5 yr warrenties
[07:32] <Sledger> fsck.ext3 sda1
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:   you give a device name...
[07:33] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, :-)
[07:33] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/sd###
[07:33] <Sledger> The super block could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem
[07:33] <commander__> ok what is that slacker?
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> NoelJB:  yep. I tend to spend the extra $$ to get segate now.
[07:33] <Sledger> Dr_Willis:  says teh same thing
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> says what exact same thing.. you gave 2 different error messages.
[07:34] <commander__> b cause it won't reboot ,suspend,hibernate or shut down automatically
[07:35] <Sledger> No such file or directory while trying to open sda1 , sda1: , The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem , then the superblcok is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternagte supreblock
[07:37] <Sledger> Dr_Willis:  this thing is screwed up, it boots just fine into kubuntu
[07:38] <Sledger> Dr_Willis:  i think its my flash drive... somethign with the way i have it formatted or something..
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Im confused as to what you are doing exactly.
[07:39] <Sledger> Dr all i am trying to do is install karmic desktop
[07:39] <Sledger> orphaned inode
[07:39] <Sledger> clearing..
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> install it what/where  and what does a flash drive have to do with this.
[07:40] <Sledger> install karmic desktop onto my netbook from a flash drive, using unetbooting
[07:40] <slacker_nl> commander__: what is what?
[07:40] <Sledger> using the entire disk.. getting rid of kubuntu
[07:41] <commander__> how to reboot,suspend ,shut down n hibernate
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> So you used unetbootin on your existing kubuntu install, made a bootable flash drive using unetbootin and the kubuntu 9.10 iso file?
[07:41] <Sledger> i created the flash install with my desktop that im on now..
[07:42] <Sledger> yes
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> and  when you boot the flash drive it fails?
[07:42] <Sledger> yes
[07:42] <Sledger> it boots into live session saying i have a corrupt hdd
[07:42] <Sledger> and will not install correctly
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> You could just delete every partition on the hdd. and remake them.. IF you want to totally delete th installed os.
[07:47] <Sledger> its working after i ran fsck in kubuntu
[07:47] <Sledger> stalled at 5%
[07:47] <Sledger> grr
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> if you are just going to delete the partitions/files/reformat them.   it was proberly easier to just reformat.
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> or repartition.
[07:47] <Sledger> i was
[07:47] <Sledger> i did.
[07:47] <Sledger> i chose entire disk
[07:47] <Sledger> working.....
[07:48] <Sledger> nvm
[07:56] <eross> yayyy 23 days left
[07:56] <mol> mornin'.. q: i've switched from gnome to awesome (in karmic) and print jobs now arrive in cups as 'cancelled' and 0kb.. got any pointers about which daemon i might be missing?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  if you switch back gnome - the printing works?
[07:58] <eross> my home directory is on another harddrive/parition - I'm planning on installing this and overlaying my boot hd, do I need to reformat my home partiion in ext4, would it be recommended?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> eross:  for speed benifits  - you could.
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> eross:  you can convert to ext4 some how i recall..butyou dont gain all the benifits.
[08:00] <eross> also, will ext4 fragment?
[08:01] <mol> dr_willis: starting gnome_session is not enough :( i'll try to start a proper session
[08:01] <mol> brb
[08:02] <Sledger> Dr_Willis:  how can i get to recovery mode?
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:  normally its an option on the first grub menus.  or edit the grub menu  and append 'single' or 'recovery' to the end of a boot line
[08:03] <Sledger> edit grub menu?
[08:03] <Sledger> sigh.
[08:04] <Sledger> because now that it is installed..
[08:04] <Sledger> it says the failing thing again
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> Im not clear where/what is doing what.  what says what is failing?
[08:06] <Sledger> ubuntu karmic 9.10 is installed now onto my harddrive... but there is an icon popping up , that says my hard disk has bad sectors.. and it is failing
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> Yea.. we mentined earlier that 'warning' can be a little.. over protective
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> use the tool and see WHY its saying the drive is failing
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> thats a SMART monitoring tool
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> click on the icon , examine the details for the drive.. theres some check box to 'ignore warnings' if you want
[08:07] <Sledger> could you please tell me how to edit the grub menu, what is the file called? and where is it located?
[08:07] <mol> dr_willis: no luck; the jobs don't reach cups anymore either.. furthermore, printing a test page results in ''client-error-document-format-not-supported'
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> fscking the filesystem will NOT make those warnings go away
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> those are SMART monitoring warnings..
[08:08] <mol> running under gnome in the mean tie
[08:08] <mol> time
[08:08] <Sledger> ok ill just ignore it
[08:08] <topyli> according to the new tools, both my hard drive (which i don't have, i use ssd) and my battery (which is okay) are dead
[08:08] <Sledger> lol
[08:08] <Sledger> nice
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> topyli:  :)
[08:08] <Sledger> otherwise it is running great
[08:08] <topyli> yep
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> Sledger:  ignore it - or replace the drives.. thats the 2 options
[08:09] <topyli> Sledger, the disk tool thingy has an option to permanently ignore it
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> i imagine we are going to get 1000 questions about that an hr - when this gets released
[08:10] <pwnguin> smart can be kinda... stupid
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> yep. The google studies sort of impled that also.
[08:13] <topyli> of course, your hard drive may actually be dying. who knows! :)
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> they are always dieing...
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> they are the weakest link. :)
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> right next to laptopbatteries
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> ok.. laptop batteries may be worse.. :P
[08:16] <topyli> well yes, it's smart to *always* assume your hard disks are dying
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> always fun whenyou bring a new pc home.. and the HD is dead to begin with..
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> or the PS is dead... or...
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Im suprised they are reliable as they are really.....
[08:24] <eagles0513875> morning all
[08:27] <Sledger> morning
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> Howdies
[08:31] <bullgard> I put a pendrive having a file to copy in my Karmic computer. The pendrive keeps blinking but I cannot see any reaction on my Karmic display. Nautilus did not come up when I put the pendrive in. Where to look first to troubleshoot?
[08:32] <mol> ok so new q: printing won't work under gnome.. evince jobs dont reach cups, lpr jobs are 'held', printing test page results in 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'?
[08:32] <mol> how to start diagnosis?
[08:32] <iflema> =P
[08:33] <bullgard> iflema: What's the use of your message: "=P"?
[08:34] <Sledger> bullgard
[08:34] <Sledger> go to devices
[08:35] <blakamin> anybody know if network-manager is fixed and what the version number might be of the latest, unbroken one?
[08:36] <bullgard> Sledger: Where should I find "devices"?
[08:37] <blakamin> what are you looking for bullgard?
[08:37] <bullgard> blakamin:   I put a pendrive having a file to copy in my Karmic computer. The pendrive keeps blinking but I cannot see any reaction on my Karmic display. Nautilus did not come up when I put the pendrive in. Where to look first to troubleshoot?
[08:38] <blakamin> ah, ok. I know at this stage karmic is having some mounting issues... just a second and I'll have a play around
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  ive been having issues with flash drives not auto mounting.. had to mount them by hand a few times.
[08:39] <blakamin> are you running gnome?
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  but it seems like the last updates fixed a few things.  It might be how you 'remove' the flash drives also. 'eject vs unmount' in the context menus.
[08:39] <bullgard> Dr_Willis: This flash drive so far mounted to all laptops.
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  its not an issue with the flash drive. its an issue it seems with how they get automounted.
[08:40] <bullgard> blakamin: Yes, I am using GNOME.
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> plug it in  check 'dmesg' command.. you can watch the system see/scan/ the thing. but then it just never automounts.
[08:40] <blakamin> try alt+f2 then "gksu nautilus" and see if it shows then... rhis has been one workaround
[08:41] <blakamin> this*
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> it seems if i use the 'eject' menu item  instead of 'unmount' when removing a flash drive.. the thing thing never again automounts.. untill i log out/back in
[08:42] <bullgard> Dr_Willis: '~$ dmesg | tail' does not reflect that I put in a pendrive.
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  run the command several times over a few sec.  it can take 5-10 sec for it to get seen
[08:43] <bullgard> blakamin: Alt+F2 > nautilus brings up a Nautilus window.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> using 'eject' definatly goofed somthing up fo rme just now.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> None of my flash drives are auto mounting
[08:43] <blakamin> yup, but as sudo... so you could see if it mounts there
[08:43] <bullgard> blakamin: But Nautilus does not show the pendrive.
[08:44] <blakamin> bugga
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> you CAN mount the things manually.  but its still a big annoyance
[08:44] <blakamin> I know rebooting with them in sometimes works but that is a bit drastic
[08:44] <bullgard> blakamin: What do you mean by your message: "yup, but as sudo... so you could see if it mounts there"?
[08:45] <blakamin> nevermind, sometimes running nautilus as the superuser worked
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> thats almost as drastkic as rebooting. :)
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> brb - lets see if i log out/in if it cleans it up
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> I log out/back in.. now they auto mount when i plug them in...
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> unmount them... plug them back in.. they auto mount...
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> 'eject' also seems to work.. now...
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> eject them . plug them back in.. they work
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> i cant seem to 'force' it to break.
[09:14] <jhannes> hi. when I want to install or upgrade a PEAR package in 9.10alpha5, pear (1.8.0) just downloads the file and then stops without an error or installation of the package. anyone the same problem or know how to fix that?
[09:16] <biped> guys, I'm just letting you know I've had no problems thus far, except a freeze to my keyboard and touchpad while I was updating something. Otherwise, this is great --9.10 nbr
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> !info pear
[09:16]  * Dr_Willis has no idea what Pear is.. other then a fruit the wife likes to eat
[09:17] <biped> Mmm, peaaaar
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> I perfer apples. :)
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> cooked up with brown sugar and cinnoen
[09:17] <biped> I prefer kumquats
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> you SICKO!
[09:18] <biped> And tomatoes. Yes.
[09:18] <biped> This iss so much better that eeebuntu
[09:19] <biped> is*
[09:39] <oldude67> is anyone else having issues with the lxde wm not wanting to do a auto reboot after installs?
[09:39] <oldude67> also having issues with update manager as well, cant term do aptitude update but not with update manager.just keeps coming back to first screen.
[09:39] <oldude67> oops can not cant
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm.
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> not  tried lxde. sorry.
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> Not heard of any update-manager issues lately. but theres been a lot of updates comming up yesterday/today
[09:43] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[09:44] <oldude67> eagles0513875, if that was for me, mine isnt crashing it just isnt working.
[09:44] <eagles0513875> that was actually for me
[09:44] <eagles0513875> hehe
[09:45] <oldude67> ok
[09:45] <oldude67> lol
[09:45] <oldude67> np
[09:45] <eagles0513875> if anything i woulda done | oldude67 if it was for u lol
[09:45] <biped> Dr_Willis, I'm concerned that after running update manager one day soon, my system won't boot or something equally horrifying. What's my best option to revert in this case?
[09:46] <biped> note, I don't have any important data on here, it's just a matter of reinstalling and reconfiguring
[09:46] <oldude67> biped, back up , back up , back up..:D
[09:46] <eagles0513875> biped: what oldude67 said
[09:46] <biped> oldude67, yes, and what's the best option for that?
[09:47] <oldude67> biped, i keep all my home folder stuff on a flash drive personally.
[09:48] <biped> oldude67, is that as simple as copying the home folder to the flash drive periodically (such as just before running UM)?
[09:49] <oldude67> biped, yup
[09:50] <biped> and in that case, are all programs and settings saved within home? Not all I know, but all the apps I run from the UI (note - nbr here)
[09:50] <eagles0513875> biped: if you are worried about configuration of things just back up the .ssh etc folders that are hidden
[09:50] <biped> and where are those, eagles0513875 ?
[09:51] <biped> also within home?
[09:51] <eagles0513875> ya biped in home as well
[09:51] <biped> sweet. thx for making it easy guys
[09:52] <eagles0513875> no problem
[09:52] <eagles0513875> if you want i can make it alot harder for you if you would like :P
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> biped:  reinstall :)
[09:53] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: rofl
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> format/reinstall - > ms answer #1
[09:54] <biped> I refer out to ms all the time :P
[09:55] <biped> k guys gotta sleep thx for the help
[09:55] <eagles0513875> no problem
[09:55] <oldude67> crap, ran update manager from term and still didnt get an error or the updates...grr....
[09:55] <dickfeynman> I tried installing Kubuntu Karmic Beta through a DVD today. But the installation stopped midway and ejected the CD. Can somebody please help me out ?
[09:55] <oldude67> dickfeynman, did you get an error?
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> why are you bothering with the dvd? why not the cd.
[09:56] <eagles0513875> whats the advantage of the dvd over cd anyway
[09:56] <dickfeynman> oldude67: nope.. it ejected my cd. and then the screen just had that kubuntu logo in thecentre
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  not much of anything.
[09:56] <dickfeynman> nothing else
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:57] <dickfeynman> Dr_Willis: i just burned the ISO on a dvd since i couldnt get my hands on a cd
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> it has some language packs i think. is about it
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> dickfeynman:  i would of used unetbootin to  put it on a flash drive and installed from flash
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> ive neer had burning cd images to dvd disks work right
[09:57] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: which those can be downloaded later on anyway right
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  yep
[09:57] <dickfeynman> Dr_Willis: how do i use unetbootin ?
[09:58] <eagles0513875> dickfeynman: its really easy
[09:58] <eagles0513875> just speficy the iso for it and it will do the rest
[09:58] <eagles0513875> !unetbootin
[09:58] <eagles0513875> dickfeynman: see the first link
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> dickfeynman:  download it , run it.. use it...
[09:58] <dickfeynman> does it cause problems in general, trying to burn a CD image onto a DVD ?
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> or on ubuntumachines use the usb-creator tool.
[09:59] <dickfeynman> bcos the rest of the installation till that point has been done fine
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> dickfeynman:  ive never had anything  succesffly burn a cd to a dvd disk...
[09:59] <dickfeynman> i later mounted that drive through my other OS (hardy) and noticed that no user had been created
[09:59] <eagles0513875> dickfeynman: you could still create the user urself most likely using useradd
[10:00] <dickfeynman> eagles0513875: can i set grub to boot into Karmic ?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> if it stopped half way. hard to tell what else dident get set up
[10:01] <eagles0513875> dickfeynman: Dr_Willis could probably confirm this but would need to chroot into the partition
[10:01] <dickfeynman> i'm not sure if i can bot into Karmic.. the /boot folder doesn't have anything with "vmlinuz..."
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> I would say get iso, use unetbootin, make bootable flash.. redo the install
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> or use usb-creator from a ubuntu box.
[10:01] <eagles0513875> usb install is in all honesty a whole lot quicker
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> i also saw some net-boot-install-pxe thing today.
[10:03] <eagles0513875> ? Dr_Willis
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> a little image ya put on flash.. boot.. it can net install several different disrtos
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> but i cant find the url
[10:04] <eagles0513875> ohhhh
[10:04] <eagles0513875> hold on i think i know what your talking bout Dr_Willis
[10:04] <oldude67> ok well im out later alls
[10:05] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: http://rudd-o.com/new-projects/portablelinux i have used that and it allows u to partition your pen drive
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> http://www.howtoforge.com/boot-linux-over-http-with-boot.kernel.org-bko
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> waws what i saw earlier
[10:06] <eagles0513875> nice i love howtoforge
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> bko and netboot.me  - similer yet different ways to do net installs of several disrtos it seems
[10:14] <eagles0513875> hehe nice to see u havent split in 2 Dr_Willis
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> so else the howtos are mixxing the 2 up.. bhty both seem to use netboot.me
[10:14]  * Dr_Willis is going to take a week off when  9.10 comes out.. the channels will be way toooo hectic
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[10:15] <eagles0513875> heheh this one wont be
[10:15] <Tronic> #ubuntu is always too hectic and useless for my taste.
[10:15] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:15] <eagles0513875> the release channel dont get me started
[10:15] <eagles0513875> be back in a bit
[10:16] <eagles0513875> gonna eat
[10:16] <mikejones>        _
[10:16] <mikejones>  _ __ (_) __ _  __ _  ___ _ __ ___
[10:16] <mikejones> | '_ \| |/ _` |/ _` |/ _ \ '__/ __|
[10:16] <mikejones> | | | | | (_| | (_| |  __/ |  \__ \
[10:16] <mikejones> |_| |_|_|\__, |\__, |\___|_|  |___/
[10:16] <mikejones>          |___/ |___/
[10:16] <floating> in few mins http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1166
[10:16] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:16] <Tronic> Fail.
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> is kindergarten out allready?
[10:17] <Tronic> mikejones: Making your own ASCII was too difficult so you had to use figlet?
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> real hackers use cowsay
[10:18] <mikejones> 8 8888         ,o888888o.     8 8888
[10:18] <mikejones> 8 8888      . 8888     `88.   8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     ,8 8888       `8b  8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     88 8888        `8b 8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     88 8888         88 8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     88 8888         88 8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     88 8888        ,8P 8 8888
[10:19] <crdlb> !ops
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888     `8 8888       ,8P  8 8888
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 8888      ` 8888     ,88'   8 8888
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> poo
[10:19] <mikejones> 8 888888888888 `8888888P'     8 888888888888
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> !ohmy
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. and now the automounting of flash drives.. has stopped again
[10:22] <SandGorgon> is there improvements in battery efficiency in Karmic ?
[10:23]  * mjbrooks sighs
[10:31] <zorael> Does the stasks plasma widget work for anyone? It doesn't display anything for me, no icons
[10:39] <gorgonizer> zorael: stasks is working here for me..
[10:53] <chromic> does the current beta overwrite grub with grub2? It did so for me, but the docs seem to imply that it will leave existing grub alone
[10:55] <u-foka> chromic: I read that if you upgrade from jaunty to karmic beta that it leaves grub in place, but if you do a clean install it installs grub2!
[10:57] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | u-foka
[10:57] <eagles0513875> u-foka: sudo apt-get install grub2
[10:58] <chromic> u-foka: thats what I read too
[10:58] <chromic> but when I installed on a free partition on my gentoo box (which uses grub1), it overwrote it with grub2
[10:58] <u-foka> eagles0513875: i've just answered chromic's question...
[10:58] <eagles0513875> whoops my bad u-foka
[10:59] <chromic> I guess it treated that as a "clean install", since it wasnt upgrading from Jaunty or earlier
[10:59] <chromic> but it was not good, since it made my old gentoo unbootable :(
[11:00] <u-foka> chromic: yes, if you want grub1 back, you can install it throught ubuntu with installing grub-legacy, or use grub-install from gentoo (hopely you can boot gentoo from ubuntu's grub2 or not?)
[11:00] <u-foka> bad luck :(
[11:00] <chromic> u-foka: yes, I could boot from grub2 by going into edit mode and fiddling with the 'root' entry
[11:00] <u-foka> I see
[11:00] <chromic> and then installed grub1 back, and add an entry for karmic
[11:00] <chromic> then all was well :)
[11:01] <u-foka> well then what can we help you? :)
[11:01] <chromic> :) just wondering whether this is a bug, worth reporting, or not?
[11:01] <u-foka> you may file a bugreport about update-grub makes unusable boot entry for gentoo
[11:01] <chromic> or behaving as expected
[11:02] <chromic> ok
[11:02] <u-foka> installing grub2 is the expected behaviour, but you can disable it under the advanced button at the end of ubuntu's installer
[11:02] <chromic> ok
[11:03] <chromic> u-foka: thanks for explaining
[11:03] <u-foka> for my it detected my old jaunty and I can use both jaunty and carmic trought grub2
[11:03] <u-foka> np
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> grub2 even saw the ubuntus i had on my removeable usb drives and put them in the menus
[11:04] <chromic> possibly it got confused that I had two different disks, one with just a /boot partition
[11:04] <eagles0513875> grub 2 even finds my mac osx partition
[11:04] <eagles0513875> granted i have karmic on boot camp partition lol
[11:04] <chromic> and the rest of the os was on a different disk
[11:05] <chromic> and the MBR was not on the same disk as /boot
[11:05] <chromic> not a commonplace configuration, I guess
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> !lirc
[11:06] <eagles0513875> !info lirc
[11:07] <eagles0513875> was that what u were after Dr_Willis
[11:07] <eagles0513875> *you
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> looking for a nice guide. :)
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> the one in the wiki is a little old...
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> cant find any premade configs for my laptops remot
[11:08] <SandGorgon> all u guys with nvidia cards - is the compiz bug still present (bug 391461) ?
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> I dont seem to have any compiz issues here
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsxxx video card
[11:10] <C-S-B> Roll on 29th!
[11:11] <u-foka> I didn't get this issue with the beta but i used the 185 driver... i have a 8400m
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> im not sure what driver im using
[11:12] <u-foka> Dr_Willis: open nvidia-settings ant that shows you in the front page :)
[11:12] <mjbrooks> hmmmm.... apt-get is telling me it wants to autoremove policykit   weird
[11:14] <u-foka> bye! I'm leaving for a while
[11:15] <eagles0513875> hey mjbrooks updates yesterday or day before removed amarok for me for some reason
[11:15] <eagles0513875> or something caused amarok to be removed
[11:15] <mjbrooks> I can't decide if I like stasks or not :/
[11:15] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, nice!
[11:15] <mjbrooks> eagles0513875, lol... I wonder why that happened
[11:16] <eagles0513875> dunno
[11:17] <eagles0513875> im gonna start working on me own fork of kubuntu dedicated to gamers and game development
[11:18] <eagles0513875> its gonna be interesting :) but hope would give the gaming community in linux a push in the right direction
[11:20] <chromic> eagles: good idea
[11:24] <chromic> eagles: what exactly do you have in mind in terms of making it attractive to gamers?
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> 185.18.36 nvidia cersion here. :)
[11:25] <Boohbah> !info ecryptfs-utils
[11:25] <gajop> what is karmic's equivalent of encryptfs-utils?
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> there really needs tobe a little work done with nvidia-setttings and how it interacts with the xorg.conf - I had to copy over an old xorg.conf to get it to even save the settings properly
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> what is going on... I can't report bugs on launchpad. why?
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> for example
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> redirects
[11:31] <eagles0513875> MaximLevitsky: one line please
[11:32] <MaximLevitsky> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[11:32] <eagles0513875> MaximLevitsky: launchpad is the place to ask if you having issues with launchpad site
[11:33] <MaximLevitsky> yes, just want to see if you have same problem
[11:33] <davisc> MaximLevitsky: "To file a bug against a specific package use a url similar to the following, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect"
[11:34] <MaximLevitsky> davisc, this works,
[11:34] <MaximLevitsky> is this a recent change?
[11:34] <davisc> MaximLevitsky: No idea. I read that on the page that you were redirected to
[11:35] <MaximLevitsky> I have always used launchpad without this 'addition'
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> file a bug. :)
[11:38] <Dr_Willis>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> vs    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug?no-redirect
[11:39] <eagles0513875> MaximLevitsky: also ask in launchpad they might have a quick fix for u
[11:43] <aboSamoor> should I file a bug for booting performance I have 1:27 boot time ?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:44] <MaximLevitsky> aboSamoor, I have 1:32 boot time
[11:44] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip
[11:44] <MaximLevitsky> aboSamoor: and this is regresssion too
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: you are running a beta OS, what do you expect
[11:44] <aboSamoor> MaximLevitsky: so  I have to wait more ?
[11:45] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip, I strongly feel that final will be even slower....
[11:46] <eagles0513875> MaximLevitsky: it wont. are you on kde or gnome
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: have you tried using bum to edit the boot? have you enabled concurrent booting (if you do not use an encrypted fs)?
[11:46] <MaximLevitsky> gnome
[11:46] <MaximLevitsky> none of above
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: i thought not, you havent made any attemot to improve it and yuo are sat moaning
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: sudo apt-get install bum; gksudo bum
[11:47] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip, I know what is in the boot process
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: use that to disable services you do not use
[11:47] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, 1:27 is a minute and 27 seconds ?
[11:47] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip: I did disable few services
[11:48] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip: I edit /etc/init.d for that, and /etc/init
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: gksudo gedit /etc/init.d/rc
[11:48] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: my contribution to ubuntu as a alpha/beta tester to tell who is responsible how the system will behave on the lay man machine
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: chane CONCURRENCY=none to CONCURRENCY=shell
[11:48] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: yeah
[11:48] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip: in fact the upstart part is qute fast (~ 30 seconds maximum from grub)
[11:48] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, boot times are not expected to be slower on beta, just because it's beta !
[11:49] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, that with a regular (current) hardware ?
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: it may be, its not released yet so may break, may be faster, may be slower
[11:49] <MaximLevitsky> ActionParsnip, gdm itself takes more that 45 seconds to load
[11:49] <MaximLevitsky> + desktop, panel
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> MaximLevitsky: my POS system takes atound 13 seconds
[11:49] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, if you have a problem and dont report it, it will be broken after the release, so please stop posting useless comments
[11:49] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: Thinkpad R61, was made two years ago
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: i dont have any problems, so what do i report?
[11:50] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, it is not about you, but how you have replied to someone with a real problem, not beta related
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: it possibly could be, if its the same in the rc then i'd say it was an issue, wouldnt you?
[11:51] <joaopinto> aboSamoor, there is something really wrong with your boor, eventually a timeout or something similiar please search for a bug already reported on launchpad, or file a new one
[11:51] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, no, there are no known issues related to boot performance reported on the release notes, so no, the problem is not expected, and should be reported
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: gotcha
[11:52] <ghendar> ActionParsnip, I'm assuming you can do concurrency=shell if you use the ecryptds home directory that gets decrypted with the account passphrase
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> ghendar: not sure there duder. i only know 100% that it is good with unencrypted fs
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> ghendar: could try it, if its bad then change the file back
[11:53] <aboSamoor> joaopinto: no time out in grub, and even gnome-panel is not loaded by default. maybe if you take a look this will help to file a better bug report http://imgur.com/Etuo2.png
[11:54] <ghendar> ActionParsnip, what I was trying to say was that it might be problematic if you have full disk encryption, but not just your /home
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> ghendar: again i am not sure. i dont use encryption
[11:56] <cwillu_at_work> ghendar, concurrency=shell isn't relevant for most init scripts anymore afaik
[11:56] <cwillu_at_work> ghendar, upstart jobs are natively concurrent
[11:59] <Andy80> hi all
[12:00] <Andy80> I've tried to re-install Karmic from scratch, so no upgrade now, but... it has the same bugs as upgrading :( booting is a real hell (it boots 1 time on 5 tries) and it cannot mount usb keys/disks automatically when inserted (I've to mount them by hand)
[12:02] <yofel> Andy80: I've heard about the broken auto-mounting in gnome, but when does your boot process stop?
[12:03] <Andy80> yofel: right after a fsck
[12:03] <Andy80> yofel: but.. not all the times :)
[12:03] <Andy80> yofel: it's random....
[12:03] <arielCo> Hello everyone: I had a segfault in apt or dpkg upgrading to Karmic, while installing libc6. As mvo advised me (hello), I looked in /var/crash and there are two files - libc6.0.crash and _usr_bin_compiz.real.1000.crash. I have all filesystems mounted from a liveCD now, in case anyone wants to look at something.
[12:04] <Andy80> yofel: today I recorded a video with my N73, I'll upload it later, so you can see with your eyes :)
[12:04] <jimlovell777> I seem to remember hearing about a Ubuntu using a new form of password authentication that relies on how two different people enter the same word or password. Is this true of Karmic? I'm having a lot of trouble authenticating Updates and other privileged instructions. I've typed the password hundreds of times in the past and only since switching to Karmic have I been having issues.
[12:04] <yofel> Andy80: ok
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> jimlovell777:  first ive ever heard of it.
[12:06] <maxb> Is there an easy way to revert my system back to the Jaunty-style coloured icons, instead of the new pale grey ones?
[12:06] <yofel> arielCo: please report the crash with apport by typing 'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/libc6.0.crash' in a terminal or into the run dialog
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> maxb:  you mean for the volume control and network config icons at the top right?
[12:07] <maxb> yes
[12:07] <arielCo> yofel: what about the compiz crash report? Is it not so important?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> maxb:  ive not heard of a way.. not really seen anyone ask.   I find the new ones a little lacking also.
[12:08] <yofel> arielCo: you should report that too, but the libc6 one is more important right now
[12:08] <jimlovell777> Dr_Willis: Perhaps I'm thinking of Debian or some other distro. The system relies on key timings of how people type various words. I was hoping that would explain the trouble I've been having.
[12:08] <maxb> It's so annoying when a few developers push major visual changes without making them optional :-(
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> jimlovell777:  ive not heard of any mention of it.. not herad of any one else having password entry issues either.
[12:09] <yofel> arielCo: since any apt/dpkg crash could easily render your system unusable
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> other then some quirky gksudo issues
[12:09] <arielCo> yofel: it's completely broken right now - libc6 was left unusable; that's why I'm on a liveCD
[12:10] <arielCo> yofel: ubuntu-bug complains " Invalid problem report. No such file or directory". Huh?
[12:10] <jimlovell777> Dr_Willis: It could be related to gksudo, sudo from a command line hasn't rejected my password.... yet.
[12:10] <yofel> arielCo: are you sure you don't have a typo in the .crash filename?
[12:11] <arielCo> yofel: nah, just file permissions. Funny that, since I ran the command with sudo =/
[12:11] <arielCo> yofel: I had to chown it
[12:12] <shadowhywind> hay all, I know this going to sound werid, but my mouse (I changed the color to green), when ever I move the mouse over a firefox window it changes shapes (slightly larger) and blue, any ideas?
[12:12] <arielCo> yofel: I copied it to my home dir (/home/ubuntu), " sudo chown $USER libc6.0.crash", I can read it alright, but ubuntu-bug keeps complaining
[12:14] <yofel> arielCo: not sure then, you should ask the others in #ubuntu-bugs about problems with apport, I don't know when somebody will answer you though
[12:14] <arielCo> yofel - should I have chrooted too? according to the manual, it's expecting "/var/crash/_your_program.crash" as the parameter
[12:15] <yofel> arielCo: yes, you could try that, It might need the actual system the crash happend on
[12:15]  * arielCo heads to #ubuntu-bugs, fingers crossed
[12:17] <damidalla> hello everybody, I am not able to boot in Karmic: "out of range" X server, and no tty 2-6 at all (black screen with white cursor)
[12:17] <damidalla> is there a way of having tty work again? (I am using ATI, not Nvidia)
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-f1 throiugh f6 dont give a console at all eh.. thats a little odd.
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: boot to recovery root console ad run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     would be my first step
[12:19] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: well, I have not installed it, as it does not even boot the livecd
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: did you verify the ISO before burning and run the CD verifier?
[12:19] <joaopinto> damidalla, have you tried the safe graphics mode ?
[12:19] <MaximLevitsky> anybody else have their nautilus wallpaper gone?
[12:20] <MaximLevitsky> that is, no way to set a wallpaper, only color
[12:20] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: yes, the cd is good, and also the safe graphics is horribly broken
[12:20] <joaopinto> is very unlikely that a broken cd would cause an out of range, that is most likely a X driver issue
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: i'd try some boot options then
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | damidalla
[12:20] <joaopinto> damidalla, or use the alternate installer
[12:21] <damidalla> joaopinto, I was going to try that, but I am afraid of going to boot on an installed system without X.org nor tty
[12:21] <joaopinto> damidalla, you will be able to setup the driver once it's installed
[12:22] <mvo> arielCo: hey, could you please mail the libc6.0.crash one to me (or attach to a bugreport)?
[12:22] <joaopinto> by booting into recov mode
[12:22] <joaopinto> bbl
[12:22] <arielCo> mvo: right away! Is it okay if I cannot run ubuntu-bug to create the report?
[12:23] <mvo> arielCo: ideally would be a apport report - but this is probably diffiult for a system in half-upgraded state
[12:23] <mvo> arielCo: yeah, if you can not report it, just mail it to me
[12:23] <mvo> arielCo: maybe it contains some clues of the failure
[12:26] <Elone> bostongeek24, may you someone will if you give my descriptive details
[12:26] <elumbella> hi there
[12:26] <elumbella> i updated to karmic beta recently
[12:26] <elumbella> but now my system is broken
[12:26] <Elone> wrong channel @@
[12:27] <elumbella> err
[12:27] <elumbella> i was directed here from #ubuntu ...
[12:27] <Elone> elumbella, what happen?
[12:27] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: not even working with xforcevesa, is there something else for X problems at boot time?
[12:28] <arielCo> mvo: if all you need from apport is library versions and such, there's a proper bug report (#442456) from a few hours before the crash, on something unrelated. I'll file the new report and attach the crash file.
[12:28] <shadowhywind> elumbella: whats your problem elumbella?
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> MaximLevitsky:  i had that issue the other day - but a reboot fixed it. not sure why/how
[12:30] <mvo> arielCo: thanks. apport does some processing of the crash file on the local systme, it might be worthwhile to try a "apport-collect launchpad-bugnumber" once the report is there
[12:30] <elumbella> well, i got an error while booting. it says, that there is something wrong with the filesystems
[12:30] <mvo> arielCo: please give me the bugnumber once you have it
[12:31] <elumbella> they couldn't be mounted because of errors in mount or sth
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> elumbella:  it would help with the exact error. there was a bug recently  with the fsck 'date/time' being wrong. But I think that got fixed 2 weeks ago. It did not  say anything like 'last fsck date set to the future' did it?
[12:32] <MaximLevitsky> Dr_Willis: I''l try to reboot too, I updated the system, maybe will help....
[12:32] <shadowhywind> talking about fsk, is there a reason why fsk.ntfs isn't installed?
[12:33] <elumbella> i chrooted now
[12:34] <elumbella> i wanted to update the packages first. but i don't have connection to the internet in chroot
[12:34] <yofel> shadowhywind: it doesn't (yet) exist
[12:34] <shadowhywind> yofel: well that explains the not found error on boot.. hehe
[12:35] <yofel> shadowhywind: add your opinion to bug 441242
[12:35] <shadowhywind> also one last thing, when i start up, I don't get the boot splash screen, just text (how i found out about fsck.ntfs)any ideas on how to enable the splash?
[12:37] <elumbella> i remember one more thing: while booting, it says that mount was called with bogus options
[12:37] <elumbella> any ideas?
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> normally  i see...   grub --> boots up -> some messages about fsck.whatever  acerhd, and a few other messages -> xsplash (real quick) -> gdm (i then login) -> xsplash -> Desktop
[12:37]  * Crashbit pal curro
[12:38] <arielCo> mvo: bug # is 444484. Should I now reboot and chroot to gather the rest of the info with apport-collect?
[12:38] <yofel> elumbella: could you pastebin your /etc/fstab file?
[12:38] <oldude67> well with seeing all the errors and problems you all are having im glad mine arent so complex..i can handle manual update and reboot..:(
[12:40] <elumbella> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/286899/
[12:41] <yofel> elumbella: okaaay... did you edit the file or did something else create it?
[12:41] <elumbella> -- This file has been automaticly generated by ntfs-config --
[12:41] <elumbella> ;)
[12:41] <elumbella> i didn't change anything
[12:42] <elumbella> i don't get, whats wrong with it
[12:43] <elumbella> maybe i should delete everything except the root partition
[12:43] <yofel> elumbella: outch, never used ntfs-config..., are lines 15 and 17 really the same? You shouldn't have duplicates in there
[12:43] <elumbella> hm, seems so
[12:43] <yofel> elumbella: wait! you can just add a # before the lines to comment them out
[12:44] <elumbella> yah, good point ;)
[12:44] <yofel> elumbella: you could try to comment all but the / and swap partition out and reboot, then uncomment a line, reboot again until you find the wrong line
[12:45] <elumbella> yofel: i will do so. i hope, it boots on first try...
[12:45] <elumbella> cya
[12:45] <elumbella> and thanks :)
[12:45] <yofel> elumbella: it *should* boot with just / and swap, if not you have bigger problem ;)
[12:46] <yofel> np
[12:46] <elumbella> i'll hold pen&paper for the error-messages
[12:51] <aurolac> anyone suffering from a recent network manager update , my wireless refused to work
[12:51] <aurolac> had to plug in via network cable
[12:52] <arielCo> mvo: according to something I read, all I need to do is "chroot /media/disk", but it just just hanged
[12:54] <mvo> arielCo: yeah, chroot is the way, but if its really badly broken your shell (on /mnt/disk) will not even start
[12:54] <arielCo> or maybe I should sudo it?
[12:55] <arielCo> naw, it hangs anyway
[12:55] <MaximLevitsky> nope still sold color on desktop
[12:56] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: yay ati :/
[12:57] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth ?
[12:57] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: Do you have ATI graphics?
[12:57] <MaximLevitsky> Nautilus here refuses to show any picture on desktop
[12:57] <MaximLevitsky> no, nvidia
[12:57] <Amaranth> Oh
[12:58] <Amaranth> Is your background solid black?
[12:58] <MaximLevitsky> black or any color,  I can change it in preferencies
[12:58] <MaximLevitsky> even gradient
[12:58] <Amaranth> Ok, not compiz then
[12:58] <MaximLevitsky> but not a picture
[12:58] <MaximLevitsky> no, tried without it
[12:59] <arielCo> mvo: "sudo chroot /media/disk/ ls /" segfaults. "sudo chroot /media/disk/"  hangs. Without sudo I get "Operation not permitted".
[13:00] <arielCo> Someone suggested to list the contents of the glibc package and copy the files to their locations manually, in an attempt to fix it good enough to boot. Whaddya think? :)
[13:00] <elumbella> yofel: it didn't work
[13:01] <elumbella> here is, what i noted: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/286923/
[13:02] <dooglus> hi.  I just booted karmic and none of my windows have borders, so I can't move them around.  any suggestions?
[13:03] <dooglus> typing 'compiz-manager' seems to have fixed it
[13:04] <mvo> arielCo: wehh, that sounds like the system is in really bad state
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: reboot to make sure its permanent, if not you'll need to add the command to your sesion startup
[13:05] <yofel> elumbella: well, I have to go now and can't help you, but try the first line of your pastebin in google, maybe you'll find something useful
[13:05] <arielCo> mvo: I didn't even bothered trying to boot it again, since I couldn't even launch a new process. The bash terminal that remained open couldn't even do "date".
[13:06] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I've rebooted a few times.  sometimes it's ok, sometimes it isn't
[13:06] <arielCo> mvo: what do you think of the suggestion above? I'm ready to install from the CD, but I want to help trace the root cause before that.
[13:07] <mvo> arielCo: that is a good suggestion
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: i'd log a bug
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: and ad dthe entry just to cover all based
[13:07] <elumbella> k, thanks a lot, yofel!
[13:07]  * arielCo , as a part-time Windows user, is well accostumed to reinstalling from scratch every now and then ;)
[13:08] <JoshuaL> is it possible to switch network proxies when accessing a certain access point
[13:08] <JoshuaL> i dont wanna switch proxies everytime i get home
[13:08] <dooglus> I just noticed in 'visual effects', it's on 'none', whereas it was on 'normal' before.  and trying to switch back to normal tells me effects couldn't be used
[13:09] <JoshuaL> dooglus, it means there is not driver enabled for your graphic card
[13:12] <Amaranth> dooglus: intel?
[13:12] <Amaranth> bug 430694
[13:14] <arielCo> mvo: It worked! "dpkg -L libc6 | grep ^/lib | while read f; do sudo cp -f $f /media/disk/$f; done" :)
[13:14] <Andy80> yofel: hi again, I've just found another annoying bug :\ just to know if it's a know bug or it's affecting only me: do anyone else is having problem with soundcard not detected sometimes? I mean... for example this session didn't detect my sound card: if I go on Pulse Audio mixer, there's no hardware shown...
[13:14] <mvo> arielCo: sweet!
[13:20] <arielCo> mvo: apport-collect needs python-launchpadlib. When I tried to install it, aptitude suggests to install libc6-i686, libc6-dev, libc-dev-bin and configure libc6 ("partially installed / broken"). I guess that would hamper our efforts to collect crash data?
[13:21] <arielCo> mvo: In other words, how do I tell aptitude or apt-get to install only what I'm telling it to?
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> arielCo: do you mean without the dependancies if yo dont have them?
[13:23] <mvo> arielCo: hm, that is probably a dependency that is required somewhere
[13:24] <damidalla> I do not see any SATA drive on the alternate cd partitioning tool...
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> arielCo: sudo apt-get  --download-only <package name>
[13:25] <arielCo> ActionParsnip: rather, without any pending actions. It wants to re-install libc6 and upgrade several related packages to karmic, but I'm a masochist and I don't want the problem fixed before the bug report is complete ;)
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: sounds like you need to add extra modules to get the drives detected then, check your bootoption to add additional modules
[13:27] <SandGorgon> anyone with a nvidia 7 series with compiz ?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> !anyone | SandGorgon
[13:28] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, bug 391461
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: tried the 190 driver?
[13:30] <MaximLevitsky> how can I download an older version of an package, don't seem to find that now
[13:30] <SandGorgon> I had tried it before beta and my desktop was unusable - with 190 series, you have a black screen bug (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=139376) again with mostly 7 series .. but also a few 8 series
[13:30] <Ian_Corne> is it normal that evolution uses ALOT of ram (85% of 1GB) when sending very big attachements?
[13:30] <Ian_Corne> or should i d a bugreport?
[13:32] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: it is normal I have to add a module for the alternate while the desktop cd works well (at least, for Jaunty it did work)?
[13:33] <arielCo> mvo: brb (shower)
[13:33] <Tarthen> Hmm
[13:33] <Tarthen> Should random apps crashing be worrying in the beta?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: possibly, not overly sure but if your drives arent detected then you may need an extra option
[13:33] <Tarthen> for no foreseeable reason
[13:34] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, it shouldn't worry you, but you should report bugs
[13:34] <cwillu_at_work> if it worries you, you may want to consider your reasons for running a prerelease
[13:35] <Tarthen> cwillu_at_work: Mhm. Just checking. I'm letting Apport upload the bug data
[13:35] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, case in point:  I've got a machine that has broken upstart jobs, and a bios that doesn't pass shift on to grub2, no cd drive, and a certain unwillingness to boot from usb, so I've got no way of fixing it
[13:35] <cwillu_at_work> as it happens, I'm not worried :)
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> (good backups)
[13:36] <Tarthen> heh
[13:36] <Tarthen> PXE?
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> no, just a funky motherboard
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> and a btrfs root
[13:36] <cwillu_at_work> <3 btrfs, but this is the sort of thing that needs to be sorted out before it will replace ext4
[13:37] <cwillu_at_work> well, that, and the fact that appends under 4k aren't atomic like they should be
[13:37] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: any suggestion to find out the right option to add?
[13:38] <damidalla> ActionParsnip: the partitioning tool only shows the IDE drive, called "sdb" (not hda nor sda -.-)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: you  will need to boot to some cli base system to run: lspci to find out whats what
[13:38] <Tarthen> hmm
[13:38] <cwillu_at_work> damidalla, hda hasn't been normal to see in /dev for a few years now
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: you coul also websearch your motheroard or laptop make/model to see if theres anything extra you need to do
[13:38] <Tarthen> update-manager hates me :/
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> damidalla: you could try some boot options, maybe your SATA controller doesnt like ACPI enabled
[13:39] <damidalla> cwillu_at_work: I did think it was a problem with my pc that sda with ide XD
[13:39] <Tarthen> it's "waiting for other tasks" but not telling me what said tasks are
[13:40] <mvo> Tarthen: what does ps afx show? anything like apt-get
[13:41] <Tarthen> nah, I force quit it
[13:41] <Tarthen> i'm going to do it CLI
[13:42] <Tarthen> heh
[13:42] <Tarthen> wonder if any of these updates will fix the abysmal 1:15 boot time...
[13:43] <Ian_Corne> Tarthen: My computer at home boots waaaay faster
[13:43] <Tarthen> well mine should boot fast
[13:43] <Tarthen> I have a quadcore ffs :|
[13:44] <Ian_Corne> same
[13:44] <Martyn> Tarthen : My machine ( Dell Precision T7500 ) boots to prompt in about 41 seconds
[13:44] <Tarthen> Jaunty on this machine nudges 17 seconds
[13:44] <Martyn> dual processor, quad core...
[13:44] <Tarthen> Mine is a Dell XPS 420
[13:44] <Martyn> but there -is- a lot of debug code still running, so that's understandable
[13:44] <Tarthen> heh
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> my machine boots to logged in with firefox open and wireless in less then a minute
[13:45] <Tarthen> even my netbook boots faster
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> i'll time it
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> when i gezt home
[13:45] <Tarthen> use bootchart
[13:45] <damidalla> not even without ACPI - the strange thing is that Jaunty worked out of the box (desktop cd and installed system), but Alternate is not working (Jaunty nor Karmic - but Karmic is asking if I want to enable RAID SATA devices)
[13:45] <Martyn> Tarthen : You must have a process that's taking too long to release during boot
[13:45] <Tarthen> hmm
[13:45] <Tarthen> I'll check out my bootchart
[13:45] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, upgrade?
[13:46] <Tarthen> I am as we speak
[13:46] <Ng> has anyone come across a machine upgrading to karmic in the normal do-release-upgrade kinda way, but update-grub not adding the 2.6.31 kernel?
[13:46] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, no, was it an upgrade
[13:46] <Tarthen> oh
[13:46] <Tarthen> no
[13:46] <cwillu_at_work> okay, nvm :p
[13:46] <Tarthen> Fresh install
[13:46] <Ng> I just encounted it on a T61 and no matter how many times I ran update-grub it just wouldn't add the new kernel
[13:47] <Ng> upgrading to grub2 fixed it, but that's not a great fix ;)
[13:47] <Tarthen> Nautilus seems to use a lot at the 50 second mark
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> !bootchart
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> ok
[13:48] <Ian_Corne> will it run every time i boot?
[13:48] <Martyn> Tarthen : Do you have desktop icons enabled?
[13:48] <Tarthen> and 10-25sec I have 100% I/O wait and 100% disk usage
[13:48] <Tarthen> Martyn: Yes. I'm actually trying to find where to turn them off
[13:49] <erry> um hi i upgraded to karmic
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> in the appearance menu
[13:49] <erry> im plugging an external disk in
[13:49] <erry> and its not mounting
[13:49] <Tarthen> Martyn: I can configure Squid and PXE with a bat of an eyelid but I can't find stuff in a simple menu :P
[13:49] <Martyn> erry : Known issue
[13:49] <erry> Martyn, any fixes?
[13:49] <erry> Martyn, i need a file from said disk <_<
[13:49] <Martyn> erry : Search launchpad for the bug, and add any data yoou feel is relevant
[13:49] <erry> Great
[13:49] <Martyn> you can manually mount that disk then
[13:49] <erry> THANKS FOR YOUR GRAT HELP
[13:50] <erry> How can i "manually" mount it?
[13:50] <Tarthen> Ian_Corne: Uhh... where is it in Appearances :P
[13:50] <Martyn> but, if you're trusting your DATA to 9.10 .. you're being very silly
[13:50] <Tarthen> type "man mount" in a console
[13:50] <erry> <_<
[13:50] <Martyn> go back to jaunty, and don't trust critical data to a beta.
[13:50] <Tarthen> it'll say
[13:50] <erry> I know how to mount
[13:50] <erry> but--
[13:50] <erry> Look
[13:50] <erry> i asked a simple question
[13:50] <erry> So
[13:50] <cwillu_at_work> erry, perhaps you shouldn't be running a prerelease if you can't mount a drive by hand, nor work google, nor ask politely
[13:50] <erry> if you think
[13:50] <erry> it's not safe
[13:50] <cwillu_at_work> !attitude
[13:50] <Martyn> erry : I know it's not safe
[13:50] <Martyn> not think.
[13:50] <erry> maybe i should go back to windows vista
[13:50] <erry> is that safe
[13:50] <erry> for your stupid
[13:51] <Martyn> !attitude
[13:51] <erry> windows fanboy
[13:51] <erry> butts?
[13:51] <cwillu_at_work> !ops
[13:51] <Tarthen> >>
[13:51] <Tarthen> lol
[13:51] <erry> now
[13:51]  * Amaranth reads up
[13:51] <erry> idk which /dev/whatever
[13:51] <erry> my disk is
[13:51] <jussi01> !attitude | erry
[13:51] <erry> so
[13:51] <erry> i cant found it
[13:51] <Tarthen> reverting to Vista is your own loss xD
[13:51] <erry> mount
[13:51] <Tarthen> brb
[13:51] <Ian_Corne> Tarthen: If it is what I think it is, in the Interface tab
[13:51] <cwillu_at_work> thanks <3
[13:52] <Tarthen> Ian_Corne: "show icons in menus" and toolbar stuff. hmmm.
[13:52] <Tarthen> brb
[13:52]  * Amaranth wishes people would not run karmic on production systems without knowing such workarounds
[13:52] <Martyn> erry : If you don't have Jaunty installed, go download a Jaunty live CD, and use that
[13:52] <jussi01> ifhe comes back, feel free to ping me - Im around.
[13:52] <Amaranth> jussi01: Me too
[13:53] <Martyn> thank you jussi01
[13:58] <Tarthen> heh
[13:59] <Tarthen> I'm using it on a production system... but I have both Jaunty and a networkless Debian
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, "without knowing such workarounds"
[13:59] <Tarthen> oh lol didn't read that
[13:59] <Tarthen> egh
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> oooo, pata was off
[14:00] <Tarthen> went to have dinner and my brother jumped out with a bucket of water and drenched me. thank goodness it wasn't near my systems - a few workarounds would be useless then :P
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> that would explain the lack of a cd boot
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> and...
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> isolinux!
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> yay!
[14:00] <Tarthen> yaaaay
[14:01] <Tarthen> oh yes
[14:01] <Tarthen> I seem to be doing a fsck every boot
[14:01] <Tarthen> normal right now?
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> well
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> if you don't use utc time
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> as your bios time
[14:02] <Tarthen> wha
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> upstart jobs are still in need of some love
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, the clock gets set incorrectly, and so it gets confused about when the disk check happened
[14:03] <Tarthen> hmm
[14:03] <Tarthen> It works fine under Jaunty, though
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> I don't know the bug number off-hand, but you're not the only one experiencing it
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> jaunty didn't use upstart jobs
[14:04] <cwillu_at_work> (well, didn't use them for anything important)
[14:04] <cwillu_at_work> karmic uses them far more extensively
[14:04] <Tarthen> hm
[14:04] <Tarthen> okayy
[14:04] <Tarthen> for some reason
[14:04] <Tarthen> Bootchart is counting once I log in a boot time
[14:04] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: really it's a bug in ext4 though
[14:05] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: it updates the superblock time even if the file system is read-only
[14:05]  * cwillu_at_work points Tarthen at Amaranth, as he seems to know something about it :p
[14:05] <cwillu_at_work> Amaranth, that's typical for ext3 too though, no?
[14:05] <Amaranth> It's a bug in our startup that is triggering it but a fix in either place will solve the problem
[14:05] <cwillu_at_work> the journal gets replayed even if its readonly
[14:05] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: Doesn't mean it isn't a bug there too
[14:05] <K3rl0u4rn> hi people, playing with karmik on virtual box... xorg.conf does not exist but X is running almost fine. Now I need to add a DRI section to the xorg.conf. I use Xorg -configure to generate a basis for my xorg.conf, problem is now X won't start (even if I don't add the DRI stuff)
[14:06] <Ian_Corne> does bootchart slow the boottime?
[14:06] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, which dri stuff?
[14:06] <Tarthen> nope
[14:06] <K3rl0u4rn> mode 0666
[14:06] <Ian_Corne> 1:18 boottime
[14:06] <cwillu_at_work> shouldn't need to do that
[14:06] <Tarthen> Ian_Corne: my bootime has been counting once I've logged in as boot as well
[14:06] <Tarthen> Ian_Corne: if I do it where AWN starts, my boot is 47sec
[14:07] <K3rl0u4rn> looks like someone having the same problem as me solved it adding this line to xorg.conf (Ogre3D problem)
[14:07] <Amaranth> K3rl0u4rn: That hasn't been needed since...forever
[14:07] <Amaranth> I suppose it's a bug the udev rules that you need it
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, what's the bug you're seeing that you need to do that?
[14:07] <Ian_Corne> http://ian.rave.org/~icorne/bootchart/
[14:08] <Tarthen> wtfh
[14:09] <Tarthen> that beats my boot
[14:09] <Tarthen> and that's an Atom
[14:09] <K3rl0u4rn> cwillu_at_work: see http://www.ogre3d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46911
[14:09] <Amaranth> Tarthen: Even a crappy SSD will get you a faster boot than any HDD
[14:09] <Tarthen> oh ssd lol
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> Amaranth: not if theres 24 in a striped raid ;)
[14:09] <Tarthen> My netbook has a HDD
[14:10] <Amaranth> Although that boot is not very fast
[14:10] <Tarthen> too quick to assume
[14:10] <Amaranth> Someone here with an SSD gets a 4 second boot
[14:10] <rivig> hello.. i accidentally removed the volume applet from my gnome panel.. and now i can't find it in the applet list.. any ideas how i can get it back?
[14:10] <Martyn> Amaranth : 4 second? I doubt it
[14:10] <Tarthen> its possible
[14:10] <Amaranth> Martyn: I don't
[14:10]  * Amaranth points to jcastro
[14:11] <Martyn> Amaranth : I've been trying to get Karmic to boot (full install) in <7 seconds for a while now
[14:11] <Tarthen> http://www.taenardesigns.com/Central8-karmic-20091005-1.png
[14:11] <Tarthen> That's my cruddy boot
[14:11] <Martyn> I just can't get it to jump below that, even with an intel X25 SSD drive at the moment, and that's on that dell precision workstation
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> why is everyone so hung up on boot time, wouldnt you rater have a responsive system once booted rather than a quicker boot
[14:11] <Amaranth> Martyn: top of the line laptop with a fast SSD?
[14:11] <Martyn> ActionParsnip : We want both.
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: given, but id rather a faster system than a faster boot
[14:12] <lokad> Hello together.
[14:12] <Martyn> Amaranth : Top of the line laptop isn't going to -touch- a quad core dual Xeon system w/ 24Gb of ram
[14:12] <Tarthen> ActionParsnip: I care about bootup; I plan on using NBR as soon as it comes out
[14:12] <Amaranth> Martyn: fast SSD?
[14:12] <Tarthen> ActionParsnip: And I reboot a lot at school
[14:12] <Martyn> Amaranth : Fastest available.
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: if you want a fast boot look into xpud, boots 3 seconds here on my 1Gb DDR2, 1.6Ghz single core, SATA system
[14:12] <lokad> I have a simple question: where do i post architecture specific bugs? lpia in my case
[14:12] <cwillu_at_work> lokad, launchpad is still appropriate
[14:12] <Amaranth> Martyn: *shrug*
[14:12] <Martyn> Amaranth : Although I could get the OCZ 512Gb drive on loan, it's -marginally- faster
[14:13] <lokad> ok. thx
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: its hugely restricted, you have to configure lan with ifconfig etc
[14:13] <Tarthen> If you want a fast boot, try my mini-kernel. 1.4 seconds in 32MB of RAM :B
[14:13] <Martyn> ActionParsnip : "full install" is the key on my attempt
[14:13] <Tarthen> heh if only that kernel worked with Karmic
[14:13] <Amaranth> iirc the mini 10v is getting 25 seconds from power on to desktop
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: does mini kernel boot to an x server?
[14:13] <Martyn> I'm trying to find all the places where delays and probing are causing issues.  That's been hovering around 7sec now
[14:13] <Tarthen> ActionParsnip: no >:
[14:13] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, I'm still not sure why we aren't focusing on a bulletproof hibernation, so that we can cache a fresh desktop and have a simiilar 'boot' time with no additional trickery :)
[14:14] <Tarthen> cwillu_at_work: Now that would be good.
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: xpud does ;)
[14:14] <Amaranth> Martyn: desktops tend to have hardware that takes longer to initialize/settle too
[14:14] <Tarthen> cwillu_at_work: I usually put my Eee in suspend, but thanks to the Intel GPU, it's actually sometimes faster to boot from cold
[14:15] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, that should be much improved with kms
[14:15] <Martyn> Amaranth : Yep, although my hardware is configured as a server/workstation.   Almost all the delaying routines have been removed from the boot sequence (hardware RAID, etc)
[14:15] <Tarthen> thank god
[14:15] <Tarthen> heh
[14:15] <Joeboy> Hi. When I try to update my karmic installation it wants 539MB to upgrade grub. Surely something's up there?
[14:16] <Joeboy>   grub
[14:16] <Joeboy> 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[14:16] <Joeboy> Need to get 0B/1,893kB of archives. After unpacking 539MB will be used.
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY1xAiNnPTc
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Martyn: ^
[14:16] <Tarthen> ugh
[14:16] <Tarthen> 64bit flash is screwed
[14:17] <Tarthen> buttons don't work with Compiz enabled
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> Tarthen: can still watch it though
[14:17] <cwillu_at_work> Tarthen, known issue, although I don't have the bug number handy
[14:18] <Tarthen> Yeah, found the Launchpad
[14:18] <K3rl0u4rn> cwillu_at_work: so what do you think about this Ogre3D post ? is this guy solving his problem the wrong way ?
[14:18]  * cwillu_at_work finally gets his btrfs mounted and chrooted, and applies updates
[14:18] <Joeboy> anybody have any opinions on whether half a gig is the right amount of hd space for grub? Seems to me to be highly screwy and a bit suspicious.
[14:18] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, who what?
[14:18] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, sorry, just saw the link :p
[14:19] <K3rl0u4rn> no problem
[14:19] <Amaranth> Tarthen: bug 440943
[14:19] <Amaranth> err, wrong one
[14:19] <joaopinto> Joeboy, that is not about grub, that's about all the other pending updates
[14:19] <Amaranth> bug 410407
[14:19] <Tarthen> lol
[14:19] <Tarthen> yeah
[14:19] <Tarthen> Found it before
[14:19] <Amaranth> Happens 32-bit, 64-bit, all WMs
[14:19] <Tarthen> Annoyed as hell
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> works with 64bit beta ;)
[14:19] <Tarthen> not with Compiz on
[14:20] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, yes, it should be fixed upstream, and worked around with a udev rule if it's actually a configuration bug, rather than modifying xorg
[14:20] <Tarthen> I'm using 64-bit
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> + lxde?
[14:20] <Tarthen> and links in Pidgin don't work
[14:20] <Tarthen> D:<
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> works perfect here
[14:20]  * cwillu_at_work realizes he has food in the fridge
[14:20] <Tarthen> 64bit?
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> yeah 64bit
[14:20] <|ns|nR8> any fix for the fsck error at every boot ?
[14:20] <cwillu_at_work> numnumnumnumnumnumnum
[14:21] <K3rl0u4rn> cwillu_at_work: ok, I just have to wait the release then, right ? I don't know udev, so could you tell me how easy it would be to test that udev fix on my virtual machine ?
[14:22] <cwillu_at_work> K3rl0u4rn, best bet would be to search launchpad for that xorg line, there'll be a better workaround on the bug report
[14:23] <K3rl0u4rn> cwillu_at_work: gona try this, thank you
[14:25] <joaopinto> |ns|nR8, you have an error durign the initial fsck ?
[14:25] <|ns|nR8> yeah says the superblock was written at a future date
[14:26] <|ns|nR8> and stops loading
[14:26] <|ns|nR8> if i set the bios into the future the os will load fine
[14:26] <|ns|nR8> set bios time
[14:26] <|ns|nR8> ive seen a bug report or 2 about this
[14:26] <|ns|nR8> just wondering if anyone had an easy work around
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:29] <Joeboy> latest grub update in karmic seems to contain a full linux installation. either something's gone seriously wrong or somebody is attempting something malicious.
[14:29] <joaopinto> there was a case for that bug fixed, but I believe there are still some bug cases, being worked
[14:29] <joaopinto> Joeboy, have you read my previous answer ? That is probably related to pending updates, not to grub itself
[14:30] <Joeboy> joaopinto: I don't have any other pending updates
[14:30] <daniel_tp> hi, my webcam (microsoft vx3000) does not work with v4l the sceen is just green... anybody a solution?
[14:30] <Joeboy> joaopinto: and I unarchived the deb and it's got a full linux installation in it
[14:30] <joaopinto> Joeboy, uh ? a full linux installation on a deb ?
[14:31] <joaopinto> Joeboy, which package are you refering to ?
[14:31] <Joeboy> joaopinto: grub_0.97-29ubuntu56_i386.deb
[14:32] <joaopinto> and when you dpkg -c on it you see a full linux installation ?
[14:32] <Joeboy> joaopinto: hang on, I might be on crack here....
[14:33] <Joeboy> joaopinto: no I don't, that was me being an idiot. It does have some *very* large files in it though
[14:33] <Joeboy> -rw-r--r-- root/root 268959664 2009-10-06 11:01 ./usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2
[14:35] <siegie> K
[14:35] <joaopinto> that explains the size warning :P
[14:35] <siegie> K
[14:35] <Joeboy> indeed
[14:36] <siegie> My computer becomes extremely slow when, coping
[14:36] <siegie> files with dolphin
[14:37] <arand_> Joeboy: Hmm, is grub2 even suppossed to have the stage# files?
[14:38] <Joeboy> arand_: this isn't grub2, it's an upgrade from jaunty
[14:38] <Joeboy> which seems to have left grub 0.97
[14:38] <hifi> shouldnt ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:0e.0-scsi-0:0:0:0",SYMLINK+="rack0" work to add /dev/rack0 for device connected to that particular SATA port?
[14:38] <hifi> udev rule
[14:39] <Martyn> Joeboy : IT shouldn't have.
[14:39] <Martyn> Joeboy : When did you do the upgrade?  Before Alpha-6?
[14:40] <Martyn> (i.e. is this installation an upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade?)
[14:40] <Joeboy> Martyn: did it when the beta came out
[14:40] <davisc> BTW, where are all the WiFi network keys stored? I've removed all configs from my ~/ after upgrading to Karmic to see what was different. Stored passwords for WiFi networks are about the only thing I want to recover
[14:40] <Martyn> Joeboy : Strange.  Now that makes it a real mixed bag.  Most people are experiencing a full upgrade to grub2
[14:40] <Pici> Martyn, Joeboy: An upgrade from a prior release will not upgrade grub.
[14:40] <Joeboy> Martyn: the machine's been steadily upgraded for a couple of releases, not sure when original ubuntu install was
[14:40] <Martyn> Pici : That's what -used- to happen.  I've verified three installations (jaunty->9.10 beta) which did.
[14:41] <Joeboy> should I just upgrade to grub2?
[14:41] <Martyn> but they all are fresh Jaunty installs, which then upgrade to to beta.
[14:41] <Martyn> Joeboy : Don't know...
[14:42] <Martyn> Joeboy : You don't have any .mod files in your /boot/grub directory, right?
[14:42] <Martyn> and you're missing /etc/defaults/grub?
[14:42] <Joeboy> Martyn: thos things are true, yes
[14:42] <drs305> Martyn: You're saying an upgrade is installing grub 2 by default without asking the user?
[14:42] <Pici> Martyn: I'm sure that it doesn't do that.  The beta release notes state that in fact: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta#GRUB%202%20by%20default
[14:42] <Pici> "Existing systems will not be upgraded to GRUB 2 at this time, as automatically reinstalling the boot loader is an inherently risky operation. "
[14:42] <Martyn> drs305 : It happened on a three verifiable installs I did.
[14:43] <Pici> Martyn: Then its a bug, since it shouldn't be doing that.
[14:43] <Martyn> Pici : I didn't believe it either, which is why I performed the upgrade on a couple fresh install systems
[14:43] <drs305> Martyn: Hmm, it's not supposed to unless something has changed. Bug!
[14:43] <Martyn> Installed Jaunty, then Karmic Beta
[14:43] <Martyn> It is a bug, filing it
[14:48] <vigo> Is Update Manager now the preferred tool or is it still CLI?
[14:49] <Pici> For?
[14:49] <vigo> Update/Upgrade
[14:49] <Pici> Its always been the preferred tool.
[14:50] <vigo> Thank you, it just started working today, Karmic Development 9.10
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Pici, a gui is preferable to the commnad line ?
[14:51] <Pici> BluesKaj: apt-get/aptitude/update-manager should all be interchangeable
[14:52] <mbeierl> Moving a skype contact from one group to another in Pidgin using Skype4Pidgin causes Pidgin to crash
[14:52] <arand> not preferable as much as the defualt
[14:53] <Martyn> mbeierl : Same happens with the other one too
[14:53] <Martyn> Um, let me translate that to English (gods I'm tired)
[14:53] <mbeierl> Martyn: Other one - being telepathy or empathy or whatever it's called?
[14:53] <Martyn> "it happens in pidgin, with other plugins"
[14:53] <arand> mbeierl: That's one for the bugtracker.
[14:53] <Stonekeeper> Hi! Just testing 9.10 beta on my machine and am finding every now and again the system will hang. I've checked the bugs db and nothing seems mentioned. Anyone else seen this?
[14:54] <mbeierl> arand: Ah, ok.  I thought not to report it as it's an "unsupported" plugin.  But I shall as Martyn confirm it happens with the other protocols too.  Thanks, folks!
[14:54] <omac> Every now and again...can you be more specific?  What were you doing exactly before the system demonstrated a "hang".
[14:55] <vigo> Stonekeeper: Lock Up or slow down?
[14:55] <Martyn> Stonekeeper : It's important that we collect as specific data as possible to find the cause (collective 'we', beta users, includes you. -grin-)
[14:55] <mbeierl> Martyn: nope.  It did not happen moving a non-skype contact around... I moved an MSN one and it seemed fine
[14:55] <omac> Stonekeeper:  Every now and again...can you be more specific?  What were you doing exactly before the system demonstrated a "hang".
[14:55] <Stonekeeper> Well, it seems random as far as timing. If it's slowed down, it was enough to make ssh not respond.
[14:55] <arand> Stonekeeper: hang.. as in? gui lockup? can get down to tty? RESIUB?
[14:55] <Martyn> mbeierl : I just crashed it trying to move a gtalk contact around
[14:56] <mbeierl> Martyn: Ok, I'll play around some more and see if I can get a reproducible case without using Skype
[14:56] <Stonekeeper> The first time the mouse was still working but coudl click nothing, ssh not responding. The recent one, the mouse slowed down then everything froze, ttys not accessible...
[14:57] <Stonekeeper> I guess i had empathy running, chromium, not much else
[14:57] <Stonekeeper> was just surfing the net i believe
[14:58] <arand> Stonekeeper: top-of-head guess: video driver?
[14:58] <Stonekeeper> Don't think it was a kernel oops as the keyboard leds weren't flashing
[14:58] <Stonekeeper> using the built in intel driver
[14:58] <FFEMTcJ> Stonekeeper: i had some issues with my mouse slowing down to not moving when empathy was running... close empathy and replace with pidgin.. no problem
[14:59] <Stonekeeper> I'll check which
[14:59] <Stonekeeper> i915
[15:01] <davisc> Stonekeeper: There's a problem with the i915 on Karmic
[15:01] <arand> Stonekeeper: does the logs say anything useful? some general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[15:01] <davisc> Stonekeeper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/430694
[15:01] <davisc> Stonekeeper: Xorg takes up 100% CPU, especially in Mozilla apps
[15:02] <nemo> !info eclipse
[15:02] <nemo> hm. I thought 3.5.1 had been released. oh well.
[15:02] <arand> Oh, joy, more intel bork...
[15:03] <davisc> arand: And a big fat Intel bork this time
[15:03] <davisc> arand: Though Jaunty had a habit of just powering off with the same hardware :-)
[15:04] <vigo> I have an AMD on the way, is in shipment now.
[15:04]  * arand guiltily hugs his nvidia-card.
[15:05] <davisc> arand: Had a big problem on Ibex with nvidia. After a few hours use, whole machine would just freeze...
[15:05] <wekt> How can user get /dev/fb0 ?
[15:06] <omac> wekt:  /dev/fb0 is a frame buffer device usually targetted for memory on a graphics card.
[15:06] <Stonekeeper> ok, no apparent stack traces in x logfile. The freeze happens mid session, not boot. Not sure if that bug is related or not
[15:07] <arand> Yea, well I guess it comes down to both make and model in the end, mine can't map it's video mem if I run 32bit and <2GB of ram...
[15:07] <omac> wekt:  search about how to enable framebuffer mode when booting up.
[15:07]  * wekt goto search.
[15:08] <wekt> Is it possible to log into Ubuntu One, or is that not implemented?
[15:08] <Stonekeeper> launching thunderbird did make X go to 50% cpu but it went back down again
[15:09] <wekt> Stonekeeper: i missed it.  what Graphics device?
[15:09] <Stonekeeper> i915 is the driver... i'll check
[15:09] <Stonekeeper> Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[15:10] <wekt> I'm also using same driver. Had many performance problems.  I commented out   Module "dri" in xorg.conf.  So far, performance is better, but i've only been using it a few minutes.
[15:11] <wekt> I also had other changes in the config file.
[15:12] <wekt> I can post sections not specific to my monitors or pointers & you can try them if you wish.
[15:13] <joaopinto> wekt, you should be able to login into ubuntu one if you already have an account...
[15:14] <wekt> I found out that it logged me in, but did not take me to another screen other than the log in screen.
[15:15] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[15:16] <Umeaboy> Why does my Ubuntu become more english than Swedish when it comes to language used in menus?
[15:16] <Umeaboy> I've choosen Sweden & Swedish.
[15:17] <sjanssen> I've just upgraded to karmic, and "Xsession" is no longer a session option in GDM.  What's up?
[15:17] <wekt> Umeaboy: maybe not everything was translated.  was more translated in an older ubuntu?
[15:19] <lazymanc> hi, i'm trying to get spotify working properly under wine in karmic, and I've found this site: http://www.3spoken.co.uk/2009/08/making-wine-sound-work-with-pulseaudio.html
[15:19] <lazymanc> i've followed the instructions to add the ppa / auth but that alternate wine package does not show up in synaptic after a reload / apt-get update
[15:19] <lazymanc> will this be an issue with the ppa or is there something else I have to do?
[15:20] <Umeaboy> wekt: It was more translated in the previous kernel.
[15:20] <Umeaboy> How do I remove types of English I don't want? They're not shown when looking in Language-support.
[15:21] <wekt> Umeaboy: kernel?  you mean like linux's make menuconfig ?  or I guess you do not mean kernel.
[15:21] <Pici> Umeaboy: I was under the impression that there was a bug logged for the menu translation issues, I don't have a number handy though.
[15:22] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[15:22] <twinie_addict> hi i realy want to run 9.10 but i need the kernel and xorg from 8.10 and restricted drivers for my ati card can i set 9.10 up like that ?
[15:22] <rsk> twinie_addict: if you don'
[15:23] <rsk> t know where to start with that it will take very long to setup
[15:23] <rrittenhouse> Is there a plan to put the button icons back into Karmic or were they removed? I feel lost without them at times.
[15:23] <vigo> Umeaboy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1282749&highlight=Swedish Is a Spanish thing, but some of it applies.
[15:24] <twinie_addict> would i basicly have to remaster the iso with the changes or is it more involved in that
[15:24] <twinie_addict> than that
[15:25] <Umeaboy> Gotta go.
[15:25] <drs305> rrittenhouse: to restore the button icons:   gconftool-2 --set --type bool /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icon 'true'
[15:25] <NoelJB> rrittenhouse, upstream (gnome) decided to remove.  there is a preference to change.  Preferences->Appearance->Interface->Show icons in menus.
[15:25] <drs305> rrittenhouse: To restore the menu icons:  System, Preferences, Appearance: Interface > Show icons in menu.
[15:25] <rsk> twinie_addict: that would work, but then apt-get wouldn't work without _massive_ changed
[15:25] <rsk> changes*
[15:26] <vigo> rrittenhouse: Karmic is still Beta, but I think you can use , what they just said....
[15:26] <joaopinto> twinie_addict, that would be extremly hard because of dependency between the difference components, in some cases it might be tecnhically impossible
[15:26] <rrittenhouse> thanks everyone. I really liked those icons, personally. =/
[15:27] <twinie_addict> ah
[15:27] <twinie_addict> so it would be bst to stay with 8.10 and mod as needed
[15:28] <Pici> twinie_addict: Why do you need the 8.10 kernel?
[15:28] <twinie_addict> can i at least covert the fs to ext4 in 810 ?
[15:28] <mbeierl> anyone know of a way to set vino-preferences without a ui (ie: ssh into machine, then su to user?)
[15:28] <twinie_addict> my video drivers
[15:28] <Pici> twinie_addict: Which are?
[15:28] <twinie_addict> the onces that come as restricted optional add in hardware drivers
[15:29] <rsk> twinie_addict: and they aren't in 9.10 karmic?
[15:29] <twinie_addict> ati x300
[15:29] <twinie_addict> not for full acceration no
[15:29] <twinie_addict> need for more than just compiz
[15:29] <Pici> I'm using the open drivers on my x1400 and they work fine with compiz.
[15:30] <disismt> hi all. I am trying to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 beta, but now when I resumed the process, I am getting error "E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.". How do I restart the whole process
[15:30] <twinie_addict> i have some good games that work grate in 8.10 but need the exelerated drivers to work in 9.10
[15:30] <rsk> twinie_addict: maybe wait untill 9.10 is out before you start to build on it
[15:30] <thiebaude> disismt, i used sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:31] <thiebaude> disismt, that might work
[15:32] <twinie_addict> i had same isue with 9.04 i think ati staoped soperting my card in later drivers so i have to use the legacy onse
[15:32]  * Blues-Man hi all
[15:32] <twinie_addict> or run 8.10
[15:33] <twinie_addict> hello Bluse-Man
[15:34] <twinie_addict> would be nice if 9.10 had backwards compatiblity layed for older ubuntu restricted drivers
[15:34] <twinie_addict> layer not layed
[15:35] <sjanssen> seriously, GDM lists xterm as a session option, but not .xsession?  This is seriously pathetic
[15:35] <joaopinto> twinie_addict, you are talking about closed sourced drivers, that is something that ubuntu developers can't work at all
[15:35] <vigo> twinie_addict: Is still a work in progress.
[15:35] <BluesKaj> twinie_addict, which card ?
[15:36] <rsk> 16:29 < twinie_addict> ati x300
[15:36] <twinie_addict> i know it sucks if i had had the source file id just build the stupid thing
[15:37] <skalka> hi everybody
[15:37] <rsk> hi
[15:37] <twinie_addict> hi
[15:38] <skalka> I need config file for kerne 2.6.31, the one shipped with karmic, is there someone who can send me most recent copy in /boot?
[15:38] <skalka> at the momento i can't download beta
[15:39] <JazzplayerL9> question. I just updated my VIA Artigo to 9.10 beta and the VT1708/A sound card disappears when I try to adjust the sound properties in gnome.  Not a big deal except that sound also stops working once this happens.  Anyone know where I can see the logs of what happened?
[15:39] <wekt> twinie_addict: in theory, your dilemma is why FLOSS video drivers are needed.  However reliable FLOSS video drivers do not yet exist (as far as i know.)
[15:39] <wekt> 2D drivers exist.
[15:39] <Maescool> hi, just upgraded to karmic, now the new bootsplash, doesn't work and grub2 is not installed?
[15:39] <disismt> thiebaude, didn't work :( thanks though
[15:39] <Maescool> i installed grub2
[15:39] <Maescool> what next to have the new bootsplash?
[15:39] <thiebaude> disismt, no problem
[15:40] <twinie_addict> beta is very nice be nicer when i figure out how to accelerated 3d on my card in it lol
[15:40] <sjanssen> launchpad's redirection when attempting to file bugs is seriously user unfriendly
[15:40] <sjanssen> you want people to manually craft a URL to file a bug?
[15:41] <skalka> nobody has a config or an adress where i can grab the default ubuntu config for 2.6.31 kernel?
[15:41] <wekt> sjanssen: you can do it from apport-cli
[15:41] <thiebaude> twinie_addict, Which graphics card do you have?
[15:41] <wekt> sjanssen:  & there is a description on the web site for manually crafting URL
[15:41] <twinie_addict> ati x300
[15:42] <thiebaude> ok
[15:42] <BluesKaj> sjanssen, finding the fixes for those bugs is even more difficult, at times ...sometimes they're posted on a different page without links at the bug report page
[15:42] <vigo> twinnie_addict: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/AMD?action=show&redirect=ATI maybe
[15:44] <wekt> BluesKaj: you mean on pages of dup bugs?
[15:44] <disismt> hi, how to delete update-managre cache?
[15:44] <sjanssen> oh, looks like this is a GNOME bug.  Sorry for venting a bit about Ubuntu
[15:45] <BluesKaj> sjanssen, you hit on a good point tho, what's the point of filing bugs if there no links to the fixes
[15:45] <twinie_addict> lspci calls the driver x300 SE
[15:46] <BluesKaj> wekt, yes
[15:46]  * twinie_addict is looking at that link you gave
[15:47] <joaopinto> disismt, sudo apt-get clean
[15:47] <disismt> joaopinto, thnks
[15:48] <twinie_addict> saying the info on page is out of date and may damage system
[15:48] <vigo> twinie_addict: Ok. let me look again...
[15:48] <AlanBell> what are the chances of getting this great wallpaper into the default release? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Extra_Abstract?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=olivia_karmic2_super.png
[15:49] <thiebaude> twinie_addict, did you do a System-Admistration-Hardware Drivers?
[15:49] <twinie_addict> thanks for you time and patiants
[15:50] <twinie_addict> on both 9.04 and 9.10 it sead not pripiertarty drivers on system
[15:50] <twinie_addict> 8.10 hase the restricted driver there
[15:51] <joaopinto> AlanBell, the artwork deadline is over, not sure if that applies to including a wallpaper :P
[15:51] <thiebaude> twinie_addict, did you do a upgrade from 9.04 or with a live cd,etc?
[15:51] <vigo> twinie_addict: http://r300.sourceforge.net/
[15:52] <joaopinto> vigo, he wants 3d support, I don't think there is an opensource 3d capable driver...
[15:52] <twinie_addict> upgrade
[15:53] <twinie_addict> im trying to figure a way to get closed source driver to work :)
[15:53] <joaopinto> thiebaude, his card is not supported anymore, he knows that, not sure why he keeps asking :)
[15:53] <vigo> Did you try the fglrx thing?
[15:53] <disismt> Please someone tell me how to restart the upgrde to 9.10 process
[15:53] <thiebaude> joaopinto, yea, its legacy
[15:53] <DopeGhoti> disismt: restart?   Did it abort somehow?
[15:53] <thiebaude> it was moved to legacy status
[15:54] <twinie_addict> i keep asking becouse i know in linux any thing is posible with enough work lol
[15:54] <vigo> fgkrx
[15:54] <joaopinto> twinie_addict, please don't waste people time, buy a new model or complain to your card vendor
[15:54] <vigo> fglrx
[15:54] <thiebaude> if you can buy nvidia
[15:54] <disismt> DopeGhoti, its giving some error broken package or something, so I want it to restart the upgrade process instead of resuming.
[15:54] <DopeGhoti> twinie_addict: the thing with 'enough work' is that someone needs to be willing to do the work.
[15:55] <joaopinto> disismt, there is no such thing as "restart" for an upgrade process, you can't undone what is already commited
[15:55] <DopeGhoti> disismt: what precise error is it? Knowing that will help me help you help yourself :)
[15:55] <twinie_addict> im willing to do the work i just need to know how
[15:55] <DopeGhoti> twinie_addict: by 'work' I mean 'write the driver', and I wouldn't even know where to begin with respect to that, I'm afraid
[15:56] <joaopinto> twinie_addict, everything is possible, on your case, if you have developement know-how to write a driver
[15:56] <rsk> twinie_addict: that work includes figuring out howto do it
[15:57] <dupondje> !pastebin
[15:57] <disismt> joaopinto, committed? Actually it was only downloading packages, then I stopped the update-manager. When I restarted, it says something like broken package or something
[15:57] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/287038/
[15:57] <dupondje> any idea whats wrong here ? :s
[15:57] <twinie_addict> well i guess google is going to be some help , thanks alot for you help and advice , when i get the driver done i may my after some testing submit it for posible add to repo
[15:57] <DopeGhoti> disismt:  please pastebin the error you are getting so that we know what's going wrong, so that we can help you set it to rights :)
[15:58] <vigo> Start with a UNIX manual, then a C,C+,C++,C+++ manual, then break into that company or bribe a programmer with a Starbucks Latte' and ,,,oh wait, nevermind.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> there's prolly an fglrx driver that will work for your x300SE card twinie_addict , just do some research on google-linux to find others who have posted the same problem..there should be a solution out there. That's what i used to do when i was still using my onboard X200ati.
[15:58] <thiebaude> vigo, haha
[15:59] <vigo> I agree with BluesKaj, I am thinking fglrx or Mesa ,
[16:00] <vigo> Or Starbucks Ice Latte
[16:00] <twinie_addict> doing that atm
[16:01] <Martyn1> dupondje: You're looking at a DHCP scan attack, trying to stack-smash your dhcp client into running code
[16:02]  * BluesKaj switched to a nvidia pcix card and doesn't regret it .
[16:02] <Martyn1> dupondje: If you are inside a secure network, you have an infected machine somewhere on your net.
[16:04] <johnni> Hello everyone I just upgrade to Karmic today...everything is working good except like when I play a youtube video the video plays..but I can't click the pause button or the up and down volume button or skip ahead in the youtube video or anything...it just plays but I can't click anything on it...any ideas why?
[16:04] <twinie_addict> i have a fix for ubuntu 9.04 coud that work for 9.10 as well ?
[16:04] <Martyn1> you have compiz enabled
[16:04] <Martyn1> johnni: It's a known bug
[16:04] <johnni> ahhh okay so I have to disable compiz?
[16:04] <Martyn1> try it
[16:04] <twinie_addict> http://tan-com.com/posts/technology/fix-ubuntu-904-ati-driver-issue
[16:04] <Martyn1> see if the buttons come back (I bet they do)
[16:05] <johnni> Okay..well the buttons are there I just can't click them and I am on nvidia twinie
[16:06] <xcdgh> Why is grub 540MB in size?!?!??
[16:06] <xcdgh> What the hell?
[16:06] <thiebaude> johnni, i had the same problem before
[16:07] <vigo> twinie_adict: brilliant, please take note of also a quick mention, you need to activate the ATI FGLRX driver under Hardware Drivers and then reboot again. that comment.
[16:07] <johnni> thiebaude, any idea how to fix it? and yeah disabling compiz fixes it, but i like my purty compiz lol
[16:07] <Pau_Gasol> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[16:07] <thiebaude> johnni, yea, i had to disable compiz
[16:09] <twinie_addict> so i should install 9.10 from iso on clean install and follow those instroction on that site i posted ?
[16:10] <joaopinto> twinie_addict, that is not a proper fix, that forces you to do a partial downgrade of the system
[16:10] <joaopinto> that may break your system badly
[16:10] <twinie_addict> ok
[16:10] <disismt> DopeGhoti, I do update-manager -d.  I get message "Not all updates could be installed, run a partial upgrade ...". I close the diaglog box and start the upgrade to 9.10 After the step "setting new software channels" I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/287044/
[16:10] <vigo> twinie_addict: For 9.04 , should work, but that is not an official site, so make a backup.
[16:11] <twinie_addict> all ways back its golden rule lol
[16:11] <vigo> Aye
[16:11] <twinie_addict> backup even
[16:11]  * Amaranth never backs up
[16:11] <Amaranth> I just git push
[16:12] <BluesKaj> drastic fix there twinie_addict
[16:12] <joaopinto> disismt, have you tried: sudo apt-get install -f ?
[16:12] <vigo> Just backup the data you do not feel like writing again, or pictures of that cute kitty kat and such. the rest is meaningless code.
[16:13] <disismt> joaopinto, what does that do?
[16:14] <dooglus> how do I go about finding out what kind of wireless adaptor this laptop has?  it was detected ok.
[16:15] <johnni> dooglus, lspci in terminal
[16:15] <vigo> dooglus: lspci or such
[16:16] <dooglus> I ran lspci, but couldn't tell which was the wireless adaptor.  I'll pastebin it
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> and my system boots again!
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> take that, btrfs + grub2 naysayers
[16:16] <vigo> Ratso, johnni got the cookie prize, I cannot type that fast.
[16:17] <dooglus> here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/287049/
[16:17] <thiebaude> cwillu_at_work, i tried to install grub2 the other day and it borked my system,lol
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> thiebaude, it'll do that :p
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> if it's not a completely standard install, you'll want to be familiar with chroot'ing from live cds, and have some time to learn how grub2 does things differently
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> btrfs did that
[16:18] <twinie_addict> im on a very low budget i cant aford i new card atm and may be awile so i need to find way to do things that are normally better suted with a hardware upgrade
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> it did that too
[16:18] <thiebaude> cwillu_at_work, i upgraded from 9.04, not a fresh install
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> thiebaude, which has what to do with knowing how to chroot from a livecd? :p
[16:19] <thiebaude> yep
[16:19] <thiebaude> its all good, now
[16:20] <dooglus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/287049/ is my lspci output.  how can I tell which kind of wireless adaptor I'm using?
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> dooglus, lspci | grep -i net
[16:21] <dooglus> cwillu_at_work: 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
[16:21] <davisc> Only the Ethernet controller is listed there...
[16:21] <twinie_addict> 9.10 runs great on this box just ned to get tose drives working or just accept i should stay in 8.10 but suport for that will end soon
[16:21] <vigo> twinie_addict: PM me
[16:22] <dooglus> the wireless is kind of working - I can list available access points, and occasionally connect to one for a few minutes
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> twinie_addict, 8.10 is supported for another year yet
[16:22] <davisc> dooglus: Is it an internal WiFi card?
[16:22] <dooglus> I'm wondering if there's a proprietary / free alternative to whatever driver I'm using - but I don't know anything about what I'm using
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> or 6 months, whichever :p
[16:22] <dooglus> davisc: it's a laptop, and it's built in - that's all I know
[16:23] <dooglus> davisc: I got the laptop yesterday, installed ubuntu on it, and it found the card for me
[16:23] <davisc> dooglus: There is no WiFi card listed in that lspci output
[16:23] <davisc> dooglus: Can you post the output of lsusb?
[16:23] <dooglus> davisc: right.  I didn't think so.  I can
[16:23]  * thiebaude loves this LG 20in widescreen
[16:23] <dooglus> davisc: you're a clever lad ;)  Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter
[16:24] <davisc> dooglus: Just been doing this a while :-)
[16:24] <dooglus> davisc: it's USB even though it's built in?  that's surprising to me
[16:24] <davisc> dooglus: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[16:24] <dooglus> davisc: 9.10
[16:24] <davisc> dooglus: Yeah, they just connect it to the USB not into a PCI slot
[16:25] <dooglus> so now I want to know which driver it's using, and see if there's an alternative?
[16:25] <davisc> post the output of lsmod
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> hmm
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> even failsafe xterm fails to login
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> oh, wait, there it goes
[16:26] <dooglus> davisc: lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/287054/
[16:27] <davisc> dooglus: rtl8187 driver
[16:28] <dooglus> davisc: do you think it miht be worth trying the windows driver with ndiswrapper?
[16:28] <dooglus> might*
[16:28] <davisc> dooglus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/215802
[16:29] <dooglus> great :)
[16:29] <BlackFate> davisc, linux-backports-modules-karmic
[16:29] <BlackFate> install this
[16:29] <BlackFate> and after that
[16:29] <BlackFate> modprobe rtl8187
[16:30] <dooglus> BlackFate: davisc is trying to help me with my rtl8187 - I doubt he has the same adaptor himself?
[16:30] <BlackFate> dooglus, i do have rtl8187 in my pc
[16:30] <BlackFate> in jaunty i install backport modules
[16:30] <dooglus> BlackFate: ok...
[16:31] <davisc> dooglus: Ah well, at least someone can help you :-)
[16:31] <dooglus> BlackFate: I'm running karmic though
[16:31] <BlackFate> and worked fine.. before that the signal was very poor
[16:31] <BlackFate> dooglus, just install these modules.. i cant know for sure
[16:31] <davisc> dooglus: BTW, I notice you have an i915, which I do have and am having problems with in karmic.
[16:32] <BlackFate> and thank davisc for his time :P
[16:32] <dooglus> davisc: what's an i91?
[16:32] <dooglus> 5
[16:32] <davisc> BlackFate: Trust me, I still owe a ton of time to the Linux community :-)
[16:33] <xguru> does xchat-gnome support connecting to multiple networks in one client session?
[16:33] <davisc> dooglus: Integrated Intel graphics chip
[16:33] <davisc> xguru: Used to. Haven't used it in a while but I'm sure it didn't regress
[16:33] <dooglus> oh, I see.  it was working great to start with - wobbly windows & all - but today it seems to have stopped working
[16:33] <dooglus> I'm not too bothered about graphics performance though
[16:33] <davisc> Oh trust me, you'd be bothered about this
[16:34] <xguru> davisc: thanks
[16:34] <dooglus> heh - it's not working at all?
[16:34] <davisc> Xorg taking up 100% CPU time. Machine like molasses at times
[16:34] <davisc> I have a workaround and it's a known issue
[16:34] <dooglus> oh, sweet :)
[16:35] <davisc> dooglus: Comment #32 of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/430694 in case you need it
[16:37] <dooglus> thanks for the help davisc and BlackFate
[16:38] <davisc> np
[16:39] <BlackFate> np dooglus
[16:42] <xguru> whats the difference between; Advanced Desktop Effects Settings (ccsm), Compiz Fustion Icon, and Simple CompizConfig Settings Manager?  arent they all about the same?
[16:42] <thiebaude> !ccsm
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> xguru, compiz fusion icon is an all-in-one tool, which is mainly useful only if compiz dies on you regularily and you don't have a session manager that knows how to restart stuff
[16:43] <xguru> so the compiz fusion icon should be the all-in-one i need?
[16:43] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: we actually make sure compiz doesn't restart if it crashes
[16:44] <thiebaude> ccsm for settings
[16:44] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: We start metacity (or kwin) instead just to be safe
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> xguru, no, you shouldn't use it at all is what I was getting at :p
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> Amaranth, aka "sanity"
[16:47] <jester7> anybody having problems with DNS on a windows network?
[16:48] <jester7> dns works on everything except the default active directory dns.
[16:48] <rockrat> hello
[16:49] <DopeGhoti> !hi | rockrat
[16:49] <thiebaude> !opendns
[16:49] <rockrat> apt-get upgrade return error unmet dependencies
[16:50] <rockrat> gnome-bluetooth grub-common libffi5 libgnome-bluetooth7 libsmbclient
[16:50] <rockrat> cannot be installed
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> rockrat, package list is probably out of date, just apt-get update first
[16:50] <rockrat> invalid archive signature
[16:51] <rockrat> subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[16:51] <rockrat> i did update
[16:51] <rockrat> update-manager suggests run partial upgrade
[16:52] <davisc> rockrat: You're missing a GPG key
[16:52] <rockrat> again ?
[16:52] <rockrat> ugh... whus so special with this gpg key. it always give errors
[16:52] <davisc> Dunno, but that's the most likely reason for an invalid signature error
[16:53] <davisc> That said, I have seen apt-get update break on dodgy connections
[16:53] <davisc> The sig isn't yanked properly or something
[16:53] <rockrat> grub-pc: Depends: grub-common (= 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu7) but 1.97~beta3-1ubuntu6 is installed
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> rockrat, use a pastebin rather than pasting things one line at a time
[16:53] <rockrat> k sorry
[16:58] <rockrat> http://paste-bin.com/view/90296d29
[16:59] <davisc> rockrat: It looks like some debs didn't download correctly
[16:59] <rockrat> did 3ice
[16:59] <davisc> Huh?
[16:59] <rockrat> downloaded 3 times
[17:00] <davisc> rockrat: From what mirror?
[17:01] <rockrat> main
[17:02] <davisc> Did the apt-get update complete without errors?
[17:02] <rockrat> yup
[17:02] <DopeGhoti> rockrat: try an apt-get clean perhaps?
[17:03] <rockrat> same error
[17:03] <jetrii> I installed Ubuntu 9.10 on one of my machines to test it, but whenever I log onto gnome, my taskbar is filled with endless tasks for file manager. Has anyone experienced this?
[17:04] <Amaranth> jetrii: sounds like perhaps nautilus is crashing
[17:04] <DopeGhoti> rockrat: you get the same error with just 'apt-get clean'?
[17:04] <Amaranth> no, then you'd only get one nautilus window and a bunch of apport windows
[17:04] <Amaranth> hmm
[17:04] <nexsja> 'ello. Anybody know how to disable the default IM always running?
[17:04] <jetrii> Amaranth: Is there anything I can do?
[17:05] <rockrat> aah its done now. after updating 7 times in row and with prior clean option
[17:05] <cwillu_at_work> Amaranth, nautilus trying to manage the desktop and failing for some reason?
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> what default im? I dont see any
[17:05] <nexsja> Dr_Willis, i'll make a screenshot
[17:05] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: still wouldn't trigger that
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> Jettis:  ive seen nautilus crash and do that in the alpha release it would spawn 100 times or so.. then they would eventually start closing and get back to normal
[17:06] <nexsja> Dr_Willis, http://nexsja.info/junk/scrn.jpg
[17:06] <nexsja> sorry, .png
[17:06] <nexsja> See the red triangle?
[17:06] <nexsja> in the top right corner?
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> i have a grey 'talk bubble' there on my system
[17:07] <Amaranth> nexsja: that isn't an IM
[17:07] <nexsja> Amaranth, what's that then?
[17:07] <Amaranth> nexsja: that's indicator-session, used for switching users, restart, etc
[17:07] <Amaranth> nexsja: and also for setting your status in empathy
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> that 'icon' just shows the status.
[17:08] <nexsja> there. empathy. I've uninstalled empathy, but the icon still stays on
[17:08] <arand> I think he left... Bug #325973 by the way
[17:08] <Amaranth> nexsja: it's always going to
[17:08]  * Dr_Willis wonders why people always go extreme and 'uninstall' stuff
[17:09] <nexsja> Amaranth, that's quit annoying...
[17:09] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: "compiz doesn't work for me, I'll just uninstall it. wait, why can't I login anymore?"
[17:09] <arand> Dr_Willis: that's the windows way...I guess
[17:09] <nexsja> Dr_Willis, 'cuz i don't want any unused software installed, that i know about :>
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> I just have a grey chat bubble there.. because ive never ran empathy, and i dont start up empathy
[17:09] <Amaranth> nexsja: remove the applet then, you'll lose the ability to start guest sessions but the system menu will take over for the rest
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> or reinstall empathy and set a status :) i guess
[17:10] <davisc> Not as bad as one of our admins who installed nethack, didn't look at the package changes and removed sshd - on a box with 100 remote users...
[17:10] <nexsja> i can still set the status o_O
[17:10] <nexsja> Amaranth, i liked the default icon in 9.04, can't i go back to that?
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> Red triangle means 'away;
[17:10] <NoelJB> Amaranth, curious: there seem to be two competing issues: the constrain Y and the desire for some people to have windows that extend beyond the screen resolution.  what is your thought on how you want to handle those?
[17:11] <nexsja> I know that. I can change the statuses. :> I just want the default icon back on :>
[17:11] <cwillu_at_work> davisc, if your server wanted to remove sshd in order to install nethack, you had more severe problems than merely checking package selections
[17:11] <Martyn1> WHY is UbuntuOne so .. frigging .. BORKEN!
[17:11] <Martyn1> I can't get it to work at all
[17:11] <NoelJB> Amaranth, personally, I find the hidden title bar problem to be the more serious since it impacts more (and less experienced) users.
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> There seems to be some settings in Empathy that may affect that icon
[17:11] <davisc> cwillu_at_work: There was some other slip-up which I can't remember...
[17:11] <DopeGhoti> Martyn1: what trouble are you having?  not that it helps you, but it works for me (:
[17:11] <Martyn1> DopeGhoti: You're the first person I've heard of with it working
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> davisc, I'd guess custom sshd package that depended on a library that was about to be updated
[17:12] <Martyn1> I log in, authorize the computer, and always get the [X] red X symbol on the icon
[17:12] <Amaranth> NoelJB: We've solved it :)
[17:12] <Martyn1> it never works, it never syncs
[17:12] <davisc> cwillu_at_work: No, it was a standard sshd. I think someone had installed a package from testing and forgotten to change back the sources.list or something
[17:12] <Amaranth> NoelJB: If you move with alt-click you can move beyond the panels, otherwise no
[17:12] <Amaranth> NoelJB: similar thing with resize
[17:13] <DopeGhoti> Martyn1: that's interesting, because here I not only have it working, but working through four layers of nested NAT
[17:13] <Dr_willis_Emp> Wow Using empathy for IRC. :)
[17:13] <nexsja> Having fun? :D
[17:13] <DopeGhoti> Dr_willis_Emp: how's it compare to pidgin?
[17:13] <Dr_willis_Emp> I hate pidgin
[17:13] <Dr_willis_Emp> never used it. :) i doubt if i use this much either
[17:13] <spawn57> hi, i'm using kubuntu 9.10,in konqueror I get no sound. when a flash movie plays.  can someone help me :)
[17:13] <Dr_willis_Emp> for IRC - i tend to use WeeChat
[17:13] <Martyn1> DopeGhoti: Mine always hits the "Authorize this Computer"
[17:13] <nexsja> i like XChat for irc. :>
[17:14]  * cwillu_at_work huggles xchat
[17:14] <Martyn1> DopeGhoti: And never seems to get past that point.  I can authorize the same computer multiple times
[17:14] <Dr_willis_Emp> xchat has gotten more and more annoying over the years
[17:14] <NoelJB> Amaranth, "we solved it" -- OK.  I ask only because I saw a flurry of complaints that the constrain Y solution re-opened another bug (the sizing).
[17:14] <cwillu_at_work> Dr_willis_Emp, you haven't been using xchat-gnome by mistake have you?
[17:15]  * cwillu_at_work lulz at the concept of xchat-gnome when xchat is already a native gtk package
[17:15] <DopeGhoti> SwedeMike:  nexsja: Xchat or irssi ftw :)
[17:15] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/287038/ <- somebody knows whats wrong ? have default apparmor rules file :s
[17:15] <Amaranth> NoelJB: quickly closed as Fixed/Won't Fix by me then actually fixed by upstream :)
[17:15] <rockrat> gpg error fixed now ? http://paste-bin.com/view/05019d97
[17:15] <Dr_willis_Emp> ive been using Xchat since 1.0.0 days.. and since 2.4 they have been on a slide downhill featurewise
[17:15] <nexsja> damn, empathy is integrated into the damn gnome desktop >_<
[17:15] <NoelJB> Amaranth, :-)
[17:15] <nexsja> So i'll never get rid of that annoying status icon
[17:15] <Amaranth> NoelJB: I don't much care if netbook users can't move windows too large for the screen, that's a bug in the app anyway
[17:16] <Amaranth> NoelJB: but users randomly losing the ability to close or move windows when they move them? bad
[17:16] <DopeGhoti> Amaranth: that's what 5-point fonts are for ;)
[17:16] <nexsja> DopeGhoti, irssi is too console-like for me :<
[17:16] <NoelJB> Amaranth, we're in violent agreement
[17:17] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Although when I brought this up on my blog last year I got a really awesome suggestion: add a scrollbar automatically when a window is mapped too large for the work area
[17:17] <NoelJB> Amaranth, and I just tested the alt-click.  :-)
[17:17] <Amaranth> I mean, doing that would probably break some apps but if they are in this state they are broken anyway
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> the set status icon seems to do nothing...
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Theres a gconf tweak to allow you to alt-click/drag windows UP past the top of the gnome desktop/anels
[17:18] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: I don't think empathy supports /away so
[17:18] <NoelJB> Amaranth, the "problem" with that suggestion is that you're scrolling the workarea, right?  and they want it to span multiple fixed size workareas ("desktops").  At least that's how I read the comments.
[17:18] <DopeGhoti> Amaranth: just put the scroll bar on the other side from the standard scroll bar, done and done :)
[17:18] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: No tweak needed, alt-click
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth:  drag UP with it... how high can you get a window upwards?
[17:18] <NoelJB> Amaranth, or was the scroller to "smoooth scroll" move them across the work areas?
[17:18] <rockrat> brb
[17:18] <Amaranth> NoelJB: No no, only do it on map
[17:19] <Amaranth> Dr_Willis: High enough to only see the status bar
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> Amaranth:  i see many a dialog/program with Ok/cancle way too low on my netbook where i cant click ok. without dragging them Up. and the default on 9.04 didnot allow one to go past the top
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> not tried 9.10 on my netbook yet
[17:19] <Amaranth> Dr_willis: Hello, welcome to #ubuntu+1
[17:19] <Amaranth> What version do you think I'm talking about? :)
[17:19] <Dr_willis_Emp> wife stole my netbook :)  so i havent had to test it
[17:19]  * Amaranth helped fix this bug
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> by making that gconf setting the default?
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> I found a tool that enables the alt-click-anywhere to move feature in windows also.
[17:21] <Amaranth> Dr_willis: No, another developer uploaded that change and I freaked out a little bit
[17:21] <dupondje> nobody having apparmor problems ? :s
[17:22] <Ian_Corne> gah gah
[17:23] <qedx> did an update break internet connection sharing for anyone else?
[17:26] <NoelJB> qedx, details please?
[17:26] <Ian_Corne> !eclipse
[17:26] <Ian_Corne> boo
[17:26] <NoelJB> !netbeans
[17:26] <NoelJB> ah, equal ignorance :-)  Ian_Corne what do you need/want to know?
[17:27] <davisc> NoelJB: I thought better of you than Java ;-)
[17:27] <dupondje> How is it possible I get: [   36.630966] type=1503 audit(1254839772.422:70): operation="mknod" pid=1660 parent=1069 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" requested_mask="w::" denied_mask="w::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/var/run/dhclient-eth0.pid"
[17:27] <dupondje> when  /var/run/dhclient*.pid lrw,
[17:27] <dupondje>  is defined :s
[17:29] <NoelJB> davisc, then you don't know me very well.  LOL  I do C/C++ and Python, too, though.  Did a standup routine at ApacheCon EU this year on programming languages.
[17:29] <NoelJB> reminds me that I was told I could have a copy of that, since it was taped.
[17:29] <davisc> NoelJB: Ah, I just didn't hear you mention Java at SkyCon :-)
[17:29] <qedx> NoelJB: I connect via wifi to a router and via ethernet to my PS3. I set up connection sharing so that the PS3 connects to the internet through my laptop and it worked fine up until I last updated earlier today. I was wondering if anyone had similar issues and if there are any workarounds?
[17:30] <NoelJB> davisc, wasn't a venue that brought it up.
[17:30] <NoelJB> qedx, please come to (/join) #nm and raise the issue.
[17:31] <NoelJB> davisc, nice to see you.  the one, from skynet, whom I keep in touch with daily is livvy.
[17:35] <thiebaude> sweet, i got my newest 9.10 kernel
[17:35] <Dreaman> yes work well
[17:35] <Dreaman> :)
[17:36] <thiebaude> 2.6.31-12 generic sure does, and my system is faster
[17:36] <braindev> did anyone get his webcam running?
[17:36] <Dreaman> and radeon fglrx driver work well
[17:36] <gribouille> does karmic beta work well ?
[17:36] <thiebaude> cool
[17:36]  * thiebaude 9.10 is taking shape
[17:36] <rsk> gribouille: depends on the hardware
[17:37] <thiebaude> gribouille, it works great
[17:37] <braindev> dmesg shows up my webcam, but it is not mapped to /dev/video0 what can i do?
[17:37] <gribouille> how can I install karmic along hardy ?
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> gribouille:  virtualbox is a safe way
[17:38] <NoelJB> gribouille, or multiple partitions.
[17:38] <twinie_addict> i have a vidoe card lined up for next month :) till that time when i install 9.10 or till it comes out ill be seeding the beta torrent
[17:38] <NoelJB> which is how I do it.
[17:38] <gribouille> NoelJB, of course
[17:38] <gribouille> do karmic and hardy use the same grub vresion ?
[17:39] <jester7> gribouille: no
[17:39] <NoelJB> gribouille, not by default, which is a whole 'nuther topic.
[17:39] <jester7> anybody have trouble with dns to a .local hostname?
[17:39] <NoelJB> gribouille, I have a master, dedicated, GRUB partition, which then invokes the "native" GRUB in the desired OS boot partition.
[17:39] <jester7> in karmic, of course
[17:40] <gribouille> NoelJB, great
[17:40] <gribouille> if I install karmic, will I be able to use hardy ?
[17:40] <thiebaude> NoelJB, i just have 9.10 installed
[17:41] <NoelJB> gribouille, not sure how easily without taking the time to get things setup right.  hopefully someone else here who doesn't have a setup like mine can comment.
[17:42] <gribouille> is karmic the first ubuntu release to use grub2 ?
[17:42] <thiebaude> gribouille, do you have a 9.10 disc?
[17:42] <gribouille> thiebaude, yes
[17:42] <arand> gribouille: yes, if you dual boot that should be no problems
[17:42] <thiebaude> gribouille, can you dual-boot?
[17:42] <gribouille> thiebaude, what do you mean ?
[17:43] <thiebaude> gribouille, well, install 9.04 then install 9.10 and setup seperate patitons
[17:43] <gribouille> thiebaude, why 9.04 ?
[17:44] <thiebaude> read above
[17:44] <thiebaude> gribouille, my bad you said hardy
[17:44] <thiebaude> !dual-boot
[17:45] <gribouille> thiebaude, why does karmic use a new grub version ?
[17:45] <thiebaude> gribouille, i have no idea
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> becquse grub2 is 2x as good as grub1
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> 2>1
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:45] <gribouille> but I can install karmic without installing a bootloader ?
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> why did we switch from LILO to GRUB years back. :) More features, ease to maintain and so forth
[17:46] <arand> Why not just install karmic to a new partition and install grub2 to vbr, then chainloading it from grub-legacy?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> gribouille:  i would reccomend testing karmic in virtualbox if you want the safest way
[17:46] <joaopinto> gribouille, you need a bootloader to boot
[17:46] <gribouille> joaopinto, but I already have one
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 should see/find/add entries for the other os's it sees. It did for my external usb drives with linux
[17:47] <joaopinto> gribouille, so just setup your bootloader to boot karmic, after installing it
[17:47] <gribouille> joaopinto, so when installing karmic, I shouldn't install a bootloader ?
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> if you dont you will have to manually confgiure grub on the other os.
[17:48] <joaopinto> gribouille, if you are sure that is what you want, yes
[17:48] <DopeGhoti> Doesn't the Karmic installer just keep your existing bootloader on a non-clean install?
[17:48] <joaopinto> gribouille, is not what you should, you are the one saying you don't want it
[17:48] <DopeGhoti> or does it convert to grub-pc on anything other than an upgrade?
[17:48] <gribouille> joaopinto, I don't want to screw my system
[17:49] <joaopinto> gribouille, and since when does installing grub2 scews up your system ?
[17:49] <gribouille> I want to try karmic on my machine, but I want to be able to continue using hardy
[17:49] <gribouille> joaopinto, It could happen
[17:49] <joaopinto> grub2 should boot hardy just fine
[17:49] <arand> gribouille: yes you should but on step 7 choose advanced and install the bootloader to the partition you're installing ubuntu to, rather than to (the first sector of) the whole disk
[17:50] <joaopinto> gribouille, right, as in any other upgrade, if you have an hardy cd next to you, you can easily recover if you get an unexpected disaster
[17:50] <eagles0513875> hey
[17:50] <arand> joaopinto: gribouille yea, that's probably the easiest, just let it install grub2 and have it boot hardy, should work fine...
[17:51] <joaopinto> the grub2 os problem checks for other linux kernels and adds entries for them
[17:51] <joaopinto> os prober
[17:52] <arand> joaopinto: btw was that a bug (fixed?) hampering grub2 duals?
[17:52] <joaopinto> yes, afaik
[17:53] <gribouille> I think I'll first try to boot with a hady cd in order to be sure that I can recover
[17:53] <arand> joaopinto: yes←→fixed ?
[17:53] <joaopinto> yes
[17:54] <cetanhota> Hello all, I got 9,10 working just fine in VMWare Fusion. The guest tools are working too. Where would I put this information so others can see it?
[17:54] <arand> Ok, then I agree, best way is proabably to just install karmic "side-by-side" as usual, grub2 should sort things out automatically...
[17:55] <joaopinto> cetanhota, the wiki is a good place, assuming there are specific instructions for such install
[17:56] <arand> cetanhota: Forum HowTo or community wiki is good for instructions, if this is a process which shouldn't need tweaking at all, you could put it down as a bug as well...
[17:56] <Moc> I just wanted to remind everyone I hate empathy in it current state... Thanks  ;)
[17:56] <Amaranth> Moc: Thank you for being so constructive
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> demand a refund!
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:57] <Moc> Amaranth: your welcome ;)
[17:57] <arand> I want my bandwidth back!
[17:57] <Moc> oh VLC sound issues is also annoying
[18:00] <joaopinto> Moc, thank you for beeing annoying also, and unlike vlc or empathy we can't apt-get remove you
[18:00] <arand>  /j #ubuntu-whine
[18:01] <Moc> joaopinto: /ignore Moc
[18:01] <Dr_Willis> Wine? >hic<
[18:01] <jester7> dns help...anyone?
[18:01] <Moc> it close ennuf, but I'm leaving, got more dev to do in #freeswitch
[18:02] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: u drunk
[18:02] <eagles0513875> *you
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  :)   its past 9 am! its ok!
[18:02] <gribouille> arand, if I install the bootloader to the partition I'm installing ubuntu to, how can I boot the new ubuntu ?
[18:05] <arand> gribouille: you'll have to edit your current bootloader to jump to that partition and load it... But like I said, that is only if you really have something against using grub2
[18:05] <gribouille> arand, I just don't want to have any problems
[18:06] <Dr_Willis> gribouille:  then dont use 'beta' operating systems. :)
[18:06] <gribouille> Dr_Willis, it won't remain beat very long
[18:06] <Dr_Willis> test it out. file bugs..  run with the leet people. :)
[18:06] <Dr_Willis> gribouille:  then with that logic.. learn to use it and grub2 then.. go for it!
[18:06] <gribouille> arand, can't I install grub2 afterwards ?
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> grub2 will let you have huge grub splash screens
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:07] <gribouille> Dr_Willis, most of the time, I don't even see grub running
[18:08] <dupondje> apparmor pisses me off :(
[18:08] <arand> gribouille: You could yes... Although like I said, just letting karmic pull in grub as the default loader for the whole system would probably be the easiest, and hence possibly less prone to misstakes...
[18:08] <Ian_Corne> !apparmor
[18:08] <Ian_Corne> what is it? :p
[18:08] <Dr_Willis>  a security 'frame4work' :)
[18:09] <gribouille> arand, during installation, does karmic list the systems it detects ?
[18:09] <Dr_Willis> a way to lock down what files specific apps can access
[18:09] <arand> gribouille: yes it does.
[18:10] <gribouille> I'll see then
[18:10] <dupondje> Ian_Corne: can't fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/287038/ :(
[18:10] <joaopinto> arand, are you sure ? I don't remember the installer listing the grub2 entries
[18:12] <arand> During install partitioning it will list operating systems currently on the system, that was what you asked?
[18:12] <joaopinto> don't think so, since he is concered about grub, which is not related to the partition manager
[18:12] <astronouth7303> does the new upstart arrangement have an event for network daemons to start on?
[18:12] <joaopinto> and it lists partitions, not installed OSes
[18:21] <dupondje> looks like nobody can help me on Apparmor shizzle ?
[18:22] <rsk> dupondje: reported a bug?
[18:23] <joaopinto> dupondje, what apparmor shizzle ?
[18:23] <alankila> so what's with the stupid gnome appearance dialog? I can't turn on compiz, says desktop effects couldn't be enabled. However, using terminal to execute compiz --replace works just fine.
[18:23] <dupondje> joaopinto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/287038/
[18:24] <Amaranth> alankila: arg, I _fixed_ that :/
[18:24] <alankila> this problem's been there most of the time of the karmic development phase, and it even worked a while ago. I'm on radeonhd, ati x1250.
[18:24] <Amaranth> alankila: Does it start compiz then say it couldn't be started and switch back?
[18:25] <alankila> Amaranth: how long time ago did you fix it? I'm just apt-get updating from the state of system about 1 week ago
[18:25] <Amaranth> alankila: Month or so, I think
[18:25] <joaopinto> dupondje, that is odd, apparmor is working fine with the dchpc lient on me
[18:25] <alankila> Amaranth: yes, it seems to kill the window manager then dither for while and then put the old window manager back and says couldn't be enabled
[18:26] <Amaranth>  -- Travis Watkins <amaranth@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:24:06 -0500
[18:26] <Amaranth> alankila: Does compiz take a long time to start?
[18:27] <alankila> it might: this system is flash-based and while updating the system disk is seriously IO starved
[18:27] <alankila> (running from usb stick)
[18:27] <dupondje> joaopinto: weird :s
[18:27] <joaopinto> dupondje, well, if it's blocking you just disable the profile for now
[18:27] <alankila> so what, there's a time limit?
[18:27] <Amaranth> alankila: gnome-appearance-properties waits 8 seconds then decides if compiz isn't saying it is running it must have failed
[18:27] <alankila> hmm, okay. That might be it, then.
[18:28] <dupondje> joaopinto: ok true, but still it sux :p
[18:28] <Amaranth> alankila: not much we can do there
[18:28] <Amaranth> alankila: we need the check
[18:28] <alankila> because it did take a while for compiz --replace to determine if compiz could be enabled on the system, testing Xgl, texture-from-pixmap, etc.
[18:28] <joaopinto> dupondje, file a bug report about it anyway
[18:29] <Amaranth> alankila: that part should be fixed in lucid at least, I'm going to just start compiz and patch it to launch metacity if it fails
[18:29] <alankila> Amaranth: that sounds like a good plan.
[18:29] <Amaranth> alankila: since we're mostly just checking stuff compiz itself will check anyway
[18:30] <Amaranth> alankila: `time CM_DRY=yes compiz`
[18:30] <Amaranth> alankila: what is the real time reported?
[18:30] <alankila> 4,8 seconds now
[18:31] <Amaranth> that would explain it
[18:31] <alankila> running a second time it took 0,35s
[18:31] <tux> are now working nm applet, with static connections?
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: gconftool --set --type string /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: that's the main thing gnome-appearance-properties does that you want, it'll make compiz be your WM at next login
[18:32] <alankila> it just takes a bit too long to read these binaries while the system disk is contested by the running dist-upgrade, that's all.
[18:32] <alankila> very useful, thanks
[18:33] <alankila> but anyway, now I know to just try to enable compiz twice because it should work the second time if I run into this issue.
[18:34] <Yakov> someone help.. upgraded to KK and my powerbookg4 fan will not shut off it just blowing at max speed
[18:34] <alankila> I think this is some 2 MB/s flash. It's almost too slow to bother with, but it's the kind of flash device that has only very small hat that protrudes from the usb port so I can keep it permanently installed unlike the faster usb stick I have which had to be installed and removed all the time.
[18:35] <rsk> it's better to have it blowing than haveing the pc overheat and die at least
[18:35] <Yakov> lol yea
[18:35] <rsk> in the meanhile report it as a bug to launchpad Yakov
[18:35] <Yakov> but its really loud
[18:35] <alankila> manufacturers aren't too keen to advertise that they have slow-ass flash only on their devices. Next time I'm purchasing I'll look for one that advertises speed and has comparable form factor.
[18:36] <genii> Yakov: Is it the system fan or the GPU fan? (of a video card which might have a fan speed control app available, for instance)
[18:39] <Yakov> i think its the system fan... but I'm not sure... I've only heard 1 fan on my  powerbook
[18:40] <Cyberschorsch> hi, does anyone know if there a release of ipmasq for 9.10?
[18:40] <smn__> dang!
[18:40] <smn__> upgraded topday and the only thing that i cna find that is broken is my sound. anyone that can help me fix it?
[18:42] <joaopinto> Cyberschorsch, check packages.ubuntu.com
[18:43] <Cyberschorsch> ah ok ty
[18:43] <smn__> Anyone to help me fix my broken sound?
[18:44] <smn__> in the harwre box it dont apear any device(?) and output tab is dummy output stereo..... i dont understand this
[18:45] <Res2216firestar> Whoever helped me with configuring my boot.ini to show ubuntu yesterday, thanks a lot :)
[18:45] <DopeGhoti> Res2216firestar: you're very welcome!
[18:45] <ubuntu_> heloo
[18:45] <ubuntu_> hello*
[18:45] <DopeGhoti> glad you're up and running :)
[18:46] <Cyberschorsch> hmm is it possible (and clever :D) to install the jaunty version of the ipmasq package on karmic?
[18:46] <Steil> hi
[18:47] <Amaranth> !info ipmasq karmic
[18:47] <ubuntu_> i've installed kubuntu 9.10 beta and it was fine, but i needed windows
[18:47] <ubuntu_> so two hours ago i've installed it too
[18:48] <ubuntu_> and then, MBR was overwritten
[18:48] <Cyberschorsch> windows rapes the mbr
[18:48] <ubuntu_> but
[18:48] <ubuntu_> when i am about to install new one
[18:48] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu_: http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-recover-grub2-after-windows.html
[18:48] <Amaranth> Cyberschorsch: poor choice of words there
[18:49] <Cyberschorsch> you may be right
[18:49] <Amaranth> Cyberschorsch: basically "trigger warning"
[18:49] <Cyberschorsch> k
[18:50] <ubuntu_> thanks DopeGhoti, i'll check it out
[18:50] <smn__> Anyone to help me fix my broken sound?
[18:50] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu_: When setting up dual-booting, always install Windows *first* because it will gleefully overwrite your bootloader, as you have found.  I hope my link is helpful :)
[18:50] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: i know
[18:50] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: but i didn't realised i'll need windows at all
[18:51] <Cyberschorsch> you could use virtualbox :)
[18:51] <ubuntu_> until i discovered there's no accurate autoCAD software on linux
[18:51] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu_: If a similar situation presents itself in the future, you might look into setting up Windows in a VM rather than dual-booting.  Just a thought :)
[18:52] <joaopinto> if you need autocad and 3d rendering, a VM is not a good option
[18:52] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: virtualbox doesn't support directx , nor opengl
[18:52] <DopeGhoti> KVM (from what I've read) does support OpenGL though
[18:52] <joaopinto> doesn't VB supports opengl ?
[18:53] <smn__> any way to reverse the upgrade to 9.10?
[18:53] <DopeGhoti> though for 3D applications, dual-booting would probably be more effective
[18:53] <joaopinto> smn__, reinstalling
[18:53] <Technoviking> smn__: no sorry
[18:53] <smn__> dosnt the var/ folder have a backup?
[18:54] <smn__> i canbt have the system with no sound :(
[18:54] <smn__> strange thing that is the only thing that is boken though
[18:54] <joaopinto> smn__, you understand the meaning of beta right ? file a bug report about it with the details
[18:55] <Amaranth> smn__: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[18:55] <Amaranth> run that command, fill in the details about the problem
[18:55] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: ok, i think it worked
[18:55] <smn__> hey hey i know... i dont have anythong important on this system... its just bugs me that the sound going poff in the air is the only bug i have
[18:56] <DopeGhoti> ubuntu_: excellent, glad to've helped :)
[18:56] <Amaranth> smn__: open up alsamixer and make sure nothing is muted
[18:56] <joaopinto> smn__, so don't ask about downgrading ;)
[18:56] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: i'll check it, if i wouldn't come back in 10 minutes, than it really worked :)
[18:56] <ubuntu_> DopeGhoti: good bye and very many thanks ;)
[18:57] <Amaranth> Making downgrading work would be possible but it would require changes to a bunch of stuff for a case we don't want to waste time on or promote
[18:57] <Amaranth> Well, it might be, anyway
[18:58] <joaopinto> Amaranth, if the upgrade is already complex, don't even mention downgrading :P
[19:03] <tj83_> any kernel hackers here interested in solving a major wireless chipset problem?
[19:03] <bucky> what major wireless chipset problem ?
[19:04] <rsk> !ask | tj83_
[19:04] <tj83_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b bucky, I have described the problem here its with the RTL8187B chip
[19:04] <NoelJB> tj83_, #ubuntu-kernel ?
[19:04] <tj83_> NoelJB, ok, thanks did not know that was there, I'll ask
[19:05] <bucky> tj83_, OPTION #2  doesn't work for you on that webpage?
[19:05] <tj83_> bucky, its "works" but not correctly, and yes, that is my page, i am the creator
[19:05] <rsk> tj83_: have you tried git kernel?
[19:06] <tj83_> rsk, no, this has now been a problem from 8.10 to 9.10 on going seems nobody is working on the project or i have not been able to locate the project developers
[19:06] <dupondje> joaopinto: you have apparmor-profiles installed ?
[19:06] <joaopinto> dupondje, yes
[19:06] <rsk> tj83_: you should send a bugreport to the lkml
[19:06] <dupondje> weird
[19:07] <dupondje> after removing apparmor-profiles
[19:07] <tj83_> I'll also add that this is the same no matter the distribution. fedora as well as others.
[19:07] <dupondje> cleaning the apparmor cache 2 times
[19:07] <dupondje> it started working again :s
[19:07] <dupondje> somehow
[19:07] <joaopinto> dupondje, apparmo-profiles is the one enforcing those rules
[19:07] <dupondje> no those are just additional rules
[19:08] <dupondje> its not a needed package
[19:08] <joaopinto> let me check
[19:09] <Twigathy> My install is pretty screwed
[19:10] <Twigathy> BUT I got it to boot, if I add this to my rc.local: http://paste.lisp.org/display/88297
[19:10] <joaopinto> dupondje, apparmo is not required in any case, but yes the rules are optional
[19:10] <joaopinto> of you remove the rules, you are just removing the root cause of the problem
[19:10] <Twigathy> I have no idea why /var/run/network, /dev/shm and /dev/pts dissapear on reboot >:(
[19:11] <dupondje> joaopinto: its just weird it now works without having the rule
[19:11] <bucky> Twigathy, is this in a virtual machine?
[19:11] <joaopinto> dupondje, removing apparmor rules is not expected to break anythying
[19:11] <Twigathy> no, this is my desktop. It boots off NFS though, which is slightly "interesting" at times
[19:12] <joaopinto> apparmo rules are not required
[19:12] <Twigathy> bucky: if you've any idea what's going on then feel free to yell suggestions at me. I got fed up and just hacked my way to a solution :/
[19:13] <bucky> tj83_, did you try the dark modified driver?
[19:13] <tj83_> bucky i have not been able to make it work outside of 2.6.24 :(
[19:13] <dupondje> joaopinto: the dhclient3 rule is still active
[19:13] <dupondje> but removed the apparmor-profiles package
[19:13] <dupondje> and it works
[19:13] <dupondje> thats the weird thing
[19:14] <tj83_> bucky, it works fabulous with 2.6.24
[19:14] <joaopinto> dupondje, that is odd
[19:14] <bucky> ic
[19:14] <bucky> Twigathy, is it because of this? http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/NFS-Root.html#ss5.1
[19:15] <Omar87> Hi all
[19:15] <southern> My wifi was working good after i upgreaded to 9.1 but now the icon freezes and it wont let me connect to anything. everytime i try to update Ubuntu, it says i need to partial upgrade. i did that a few times. It still says i need to partial upgrade now but then it says it is upgraded. anyone know what is going on?
[19:15] <Omar87> How do I find the new mono package names?
[19:15] <tj83_> southern, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:15] <Twigathy> bucky: no, I don't think so. The initramfs stuff has worked for...a ery long time without problems
[19:15] <Twigathy> just a recent round of updates have killed it somewhat
[19:15] <tj83_> southern, then try to update again
[19:17] <tj83_> southern you can also kill nm-applet (netowrk icon) with sudo killall nm-applet then simply start nm-applet back from alt+f2 run the command nm-applet
[19:17] <Twigathy> grah, I think this might be a re-install jobbie
[19:18] <Twigathy> If only SSDs were more affordable ... :-)
[19:18] <Twigathy> 26
[19:18] <Twigathy> no.
[19:18] <DopeGhoti> FCVO 'SSD', they are :)
[19:19] <sunshinepants> fairly affordable
[19:19] <Twigathy> I could buy a 8GB ComactFlash for £25 or so, but performance wouldn't be terribly good
[19:19] <Twigathy> p
[19:19] <Twigathy> ugh, fail typing today!
[19:21] <rexterd> a gpg has something to do with signature right?  what does trustdb.gpg ,trusted.gpg do to apt-get
[19:21] <bucky> tj83_, did you see this? http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-kernel-team/374927-fwd-realtek-rtl8187b-driver-karmic.html
[19:23] <tj83_> bucky, good find, TY, bookmarked, will look into that.
[19:23] <Nattgew> rexterd: maybe that's where it stores the keys that you add to software sources?
[19:23] <Pres-Gas1> Anyone working with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/442197
[19:24] <Pres-Gas1> I have a Dell Latitude 2100 that I can throw in that is having the same issues.
[19:24] <bucky> tj83_, i think linux mint has this figured out.. maybe you could get a dcs file from them and build one for karmic
[19:24] <tj83_> bucky, your speaking way above my head.. but i will research this also.
[19:25] <bucky> *dsc
[19:25] <bucky> sometimes i get my mords wixed up
[19:27] <floating> whats the command to launch ubuntus filebrowser
[19:27] <rexterd> Nattgew: i have some errors doing apt-get update, can that be the because of the gpg files
[19:27] <floating> ah, nautilus
[19:27] <Nattgew> rexterd: what are the errors like?
[19:27] <DopeGhoti> rexterd: what errors?  Could you pastebin them?
[19:28] <Pres-Gas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/442197
[19:28] <Pres-Gas> Sorry about the repeat...I got disconnected.
[19:29] <rexterd> W: GPG error: cdrom://karmic karmic Release: Couldn't access keyring
[19:30] <Nattgew> rexterd: the W means it's just a warning, it shouldn't keep it from working...
[19:31] <rexterd> Nattgew: ah ok so mere warning
[19:32] <webbb82> i need help i was doing a update and it crashed now it says it can only do a partial upgrade  how do i fix this i forgot the command
[19:33] <DopeGhoti> webbb82: Just go ahead and to the partial upgrade- that should finish the upgrade that was stopped by the crash
[19:33] <webbb82> isnt there a command to make sure im not missing anythin important
[19:34] <DopeGhoti> webbb82: once it's done wtih the partial upgrade, just run an the update manager as norman and have it recheck for updates.
[19:34] <Novita> hey all, Does anyone know where to change the login manager theme in 9.10?
[19:36] <rexterd> is there such a gtkdialog on ubuntu?
[19:36] <Novita> sorry i dropped out
[19:36] <Novita> Did anyone reply to my question by chance?
[19:41] <hariseldon99> Hi. My nvidia just got borked beyond repair in my karmic installation, and I'm trying to roll back to my onboard intel card, but xorg refuses to show and drops me to a tty. How do you reconfig xorg in karmic?
[19:42] <bucky> hariseldon99, you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:43] <Pres-Gas> hariseldon99, did you use the nvidia x server settings panel to config the card?  It should have backed up the old config file.
[19:43] <hariseldon99> bucky: tried that already. It didn;t change xorg.conf
[19:43] <hariseldon99> doesn;t karmic use a new kind of config for xorg?
[19:44] <blueyed> Anyone else bitten by bug 444563?
[19:44] <blueyed> And why are the ubuntu servers still so slow?
[19:44] <blueyed> getting 250kb/s now at least, but far from max.
[19:44] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: I installed the nvidia debs from apt repo and it automatically configged my card when it was working. There was no backup of xorg.conf :(
[19:46] <Pres-Gas> hariseldon99, that is too bad.  I have a dual head setup, so I just automatically go to that panel
[19:46] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: Isn;t there a way to reconfig xorg in karmic, or do I have to reformat/reinstall?
[19:47] <Laibsch> Is Karmic going to be released with 2.6.31 or with a later kernel?  2.6.30 introduced a regression wrt prism wifi cards that was fixed in 2.6.32 which is why I ask.
[19:48] <tormod> Laibsch, which cards exactly?
[19:49] <Pres-Gas> hariseldon99, lemme look into something...hang on before re-installing
[19:49] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: Thanks. I'll wait...
[19:49] <Laibsch> tormod: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14000 has the details
[19:49] <tormod> Laibsch, it will be 2.6.31 but fixes for regressions can be cherry-picked
[19:49] <Laibsch> I hope it can easily be cherrry-picked
[19:49] <Laibsch> I wouldn't know
[19:50] <Laibsch> I'll create a ticket to it gets on the radar
[19:50] <Laibsch> tormod: you want me to cc you to that ticket?
[19:50] <tormod> Laibsch, thanks, can you please open a bug report and tag it regression
[19:52] <ilPisano> last update remove empathy from my system
[19:52] <bucky> !release
[19:52] <Pres-Gas> hariseldon99, what version of the nvidia drivers did you use...185?
[19:53] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: I think so. It was the latest offerred by the repos
[19:53]  * Pres-Gas dives back into his search...
[19:53] <ilPisano> if i try to reinstall tell me it has dependence not satisfied: libempathy-gtk28 and empathy-doc
[19:54] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: Should I uninstall the nvidia drivers (xorg keeps trying to load them and fails, since I removed the defective nvidia)
[19:55] <Pres-Gas> I think I have a very basic xorg.conf...I will mssg you what it is...
[19:56] <Pres-Gas> That is about as basic as you can get, hariseldon99
[19:57] <Laibsch> tormod: bug 444801 it is
[20:02] <BUGabundo> howdy everyone
[20:03] <DopeGhoti> !hi | BUGabundo
[20:05] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:05] <BUGabundo> don't even know what to reply to that
[20:06] <bucky> speechless!
[20:06] <mzz> in previous versions I was able to use preferences -> sound to disable the sound on login. Where did that go in karmic?
[20:07] <mzz> same question also applies to the sound on displaying the login prompt (iirc administration -> login window had an option to turn that off)
[20:07] <junkY_San> hey, i'm using kubuntu and i want to connect to a pptp server. i've setup the connection but when i click on it using the networkmanager-tray-icon nothing happens
[20:08] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: I booted the live CD. There is no xorg.conf. I believe karmic uses a different config system for xorg
[20:09] <DopeGhoti> iirc, xorg.conf is now entirely optional
[20:09] <kiwnix> what is the "usefullness" of "desktopcouch"? (it is on the ubuntu-desktop task)
[20:09] <BUGabundo> Need to get 295MB of archives. After unpacking 791MB will be used.
[20:09] <BUGabundo> glad I have a 320GiBs disk
[20:09] <Pres-Gas> hmmm, either that, or you just need to rename the xorg.conf file and reboot with no conf file at all, hariseldon99.  I have seen plenty of machines not have that file.
[20:09] <BUGabundo> this is CRAZY
[20:09] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: k I'll try that
[20:11] <bucky> BUGabundo, dist-upgrade ?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> as always
[20:11] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[20:12] <kane77> is anyone else having problems with amarok? for me it won't play songs, just skip them.. in console there is "xine_open for gapless playback failed!"
[20:12] <bucky> aptitude clean ?
[20:12] <hariseldon99> Pres-Gas: \o\
[20:12] <hariseldon99> \o/
[20:12] <hariseldon99> it worked!
[20:12] <hariseldon99> My nvidia is still borked though. I've no friggin' idea how THAT happened. Gotta buy a new one I guess
[20:14] <Pres-Gas> Happy to be of service, hariseldon99.  Now if I can only figure out bug 442197.  I wanna add info or volunteer my machine, but no takers.
[20:16] <DopeGhoti> hariseldon99: your video card was physically broken‽  How in the world did that happen?
[20:18] <JoshuaL> is dbus still running in karmic?
[20:19] <joaopinto> JoshuaL, ?
[20:19] <JoshuaL> nvm :p
[20:20] <legend2440> mzz: open  preferences>startup applications and uncheck login sounds
[20:21] <hariseldon99> DopeGhoti: It wasn't physically broken. It just stopped working for no reason
[20:22] <hariseldon99> DopeGhoti: I moved it over from my compu to this one (the one I'm using to log into irc right now) but lspci doesn;t even show it to be present
[20:22] <mzz> legend2440: ooh, that dialog is much more useful now than I remember it being in the past. Thanks!
[20:23] <legend2440> mzz: your welcome
[20:24] <hariseldon99> my beautiful 9400 GT.. gone.
[20:24] <hariseldon99> woe is me. Oy Vey, and all that!
[20:25] <hariseldon99> Anywho. Thanks for all your help, everyone. Sleepy time for me now
[20:28] <Laibsch> Hehe
[20:29] <natewiebe13> would a lack of usplash appearing be from nvidia graphics or from 535 bad sectors on the harddrive?
[20:29] <Laibsch> grub just grew by a whopping 539MB of installed size
[20:29] <Laibsch> ;-)
[20:29] <Laibsch> that's got to be a record
[20:29] <joaopinto> Laibsch, known problem
[20:29] <Laibsch> bug number?
[20:29] <DopeGhoti> Laibsch: wait, what‽  That's a really big bootloader
[20:29]  * Laibsch was just about to report it
[20:30] <Laibsch> DopeGhoti: isn't it?
[20:30] <Laibsch> ;-)
[20:30] <joaopinto> https://launchpad.net/bugs/444587
[20:30] <DopeGhoti> short of du -sch /boot, now can I check on that?
[20:30] <Laibsch> joaopinto: thanks
[20:31] <Laibsch> DopeGhoti: aptitude will show you in the list of packages to be updated
[20:31] <Laibsch> You can also check http://packages.ubuntu.com/grub
[20:31] <[31d1]_> thanks as well legend2440, that was annoying the heck out of me
[20:32] <Laibsch> Then go to the specific version you want and look at installed size
[20:32] <DopeGhoti> Laibsch: hmm, my /boot is ~36M
[20:32] <Laibsch> DopeGhoti: similar thing here
[20:32] <legend2440> [31d1]_: your welcome
[20:32] <Laibsch> DopeGhoti: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/grub lists the installed-size
[20:32] <DopeGhoti> Laibsch: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/grub-pc shows appox size as ~1MB
[20:33] <DopeGhoti> remember, grub-pc is the package for what's being called grub2
[20:33] <Laibsch> I'm still running grub
[20:33] <Laibsch> And I likely won't change for the next two months
[20:34] <Alexxxxxxx>  <Alexxxxxxx> I need help, network-manager in karmic hangs up [23:31] <Alexxxxxxx> I can see wireless networks but when I click one of them it freezes
[20:34] <DopeGhoti> ah.  I'm just used to not seeing legacy GRUB in here anymore :)
[20:34] <rrittenhouse> Is there any way to re-enable scrolling on the desktop to switch desktops in Karmic?
[20:34] <eagles0513875> !patience |Alexxxxxxx
[20:34] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, you need to update Karmic with the latest updates... then i should work again. I had the same issue...
[20:35] <DopeGhoti> rrittenhouse: install CCSM, and rebind the mousewheel
[20:35] <Alexxxxxxx> I just did, actually it stopped working right after update...
[20:35] <Laibsch> DopeGhoti: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/i386/grub/filelist will show that the particular package does not even install in /boot, though
[20:35] <eagles0513875> Alexxxxxxx: seems like there is another version in updates again i just downloaded it
[20:35] <Martyn1> urk
[20:35] <Alexxxxxxx> what is the version of your NM?
[20:35] <Martyn1> linux-generic update .. REALLY?
[20:35] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, after the latest kernel was installed, it worked for me again...
[20:35] <Martyn1> REALLY?
[20:35] <Martyn1> *sigh*
[20:35] <eagles0513875> even an upgrade for grub2
[20:35] <rsk> Martyn1: quite rly
[20:35] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, let me check
[20:35] <Martyn1> damnit
[20:35] <Martyn1> I just finished updating.
[20:36] <Martyn1> *goes and re-updates*
[20:36] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, NetworkManager Applet 0.7.996
[20:36] <Alexxxxxxx> ah kernel, do I need any specific command for it?
[20:36] <Alexxxxxxx> it only updates daily build of xulrunner :(
[20:36] <Martyn1> 2.6.31-12 downloading
[20:36] <MaikB> Hi there.  I just installed kubuntu 9.10 beta into a virtual box and get "You don't have the necessary privileges to perform this action" when trying to install something via KPackageKit
[20:36] <eagles0513875> Alexxxxxxx: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:36] <Martyn1> reading launchpad notes on why 2.6.31-11 was fail
[20:37] <Alexxxxxxx> thanks
[20:37] <rsk> Martyn1: url me
[20:37] <nemo> hm. every time I use an opengl screensaver, the password dialog is invisible
[20:37] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, just try to update again with your normal ethernet cable...
[20:37] <MaikB> shouldn't it ask for the password instead?
[20:37] <nemo> kind of a shame. the opengl ones are the niftiest
[20:37] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, can you do "uname -a" ?
[20:37] <Alexxxxxxx> while we`re at it, jaunty design was nicer :)
[20:37] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, mine is Linux ubuntu 2.6.31-12-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon Oct 5 22:08:01 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:38] <Martyn1> rsk : I'd love to .. but I can't find any notes on -why- 2.6.31-12 was updated
[20:38] <Martyn1> Alexxxxxxx: I like the clean look of 9.10
[20:38] <natewiebe13> would a lack of usplash appearing be caused by nvidia graphics or from 535 bad sectors on the harddrive?
[20:38] <Martyn1> Alexxxxxxx: But you're free to create your own theme :)
[20:38] <Alexxxxxxx> how do I know my kernel version?
[20:39] <rsk> Alexxxxxxx: uname -a
[20:39] <Martyn1> natewiebe13 : I thought we switched to xsplash!
[20:39] <Alexxxxxxx> ok I got -11 and dist-upgrade doesnt work
[20:39] <MaikB> Found a related bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/367669
[20:39] <natewiebe13> Martyn1: from what i know.. usplash is still being used.. usplash is still currently installed
[20:39] <jemark> Martyn, i have no idea... I think that the previous update was not complete... so you need to update it again via the network ethernet connection, it will get more updates and then the wireless should work again.
[20:39] <Alexxxxxxx> do I have to install -12 manually?
[20:39] <scyx> hi, i'm up for some experiments, should i try the karmic beta? is the netbook remix stable enough? oh, and is it possible to install the moblin remix packages on top of a netbook remix once umr is final?
[20:40] <natewiebe13> Martyn: plus i can view usplash on some computers.. except not mine.. usplash is the white logo (no text)
[20:40] <eagles0513875> Alexxxxxxx: no you dont
[20:40] <Alexxxxxxx> ok then what do I do?
[20:40] <eagles0513875> Alexxxxxxx: your not connected to the internet are you
[20:40] <Alexxxxxxx> ehm how do u think I talk to u then? :)
[20:40] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, it will update it automatically... like what is said more up.. just in the terminal type: "sudo apt-get update" then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[20:41] <Alexxxxxxx> I just did, twice
[20:41] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, hehehe
[20:42] <Alexxxxxxx> how long ago was the update? maybe the mirror isnt sync`ed yet?
[20:42] <natewiebe13> is anyone able to see the white logo with blackscreen on startup.. instead of text?
[20:42] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, probabely... you can try a different one? I use the main dutch mirror ;)
[20:42] <Martyn1> rsk : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux-meta/2.6.31.12.23
[20:43] <Martyn1> rsk: It's an ABI update.
[20:43] <Martyn1> Tim Gardner was responsible for the checkin to the linux-meta package
[20:43] <MaikB> Just to be sure: Is this the right channel to discuss the kubuntu 9.10 beta?
[20:43] <Alexxxxxxx> can I use a different mirror with some command without editing sources.list?
[20:43] <iceroot> MaikB: yes
[20:44] <Alexxxxxxx> or maybe someone will be so kind and gimme a link for a latest kernel download?
[20:44] <MaikB> So what should I do?  Report a new one, add a comment to the existing ...?
[20:45] <natewiebe13> Alexxxxxxx: for 2.6.31-12?
[20:45] <MaikB> bug report
[20:45] <Alexxxxxxx> yep
[20:45] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, at software sources... select server for Netherlands... that's what I have and I have the latest kernel now.
[20:45] <MaikB> The first thing a new users sees is that he/she can't install anything
[20:45] <MaikB> this is mayor
[20:45] <natewiebe13> Alexxxxxxx: i386 or amd64?
[20:46] <Alexxxxxxx> i386
[20:46] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, i have i686
[20:46] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, mine is Linux ubuntu 2.6.31-12-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon Oct 5 22:08:01 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:47] <JoshuaL> i try to write a python script
[20:47] <JoshuaL> no idea if i have to ask here btw
[20:47] <JoshuaL> but it concerns dbus and networkmanager
[20:47] <Alexxxxxxx> hm so could 686 be updated earlier?
[20:47] <JoshuaL> ignore me :(
[20:47] <JoshuaL> :p
[20:47] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, have you tried to update it already?
[20:47] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, i just did the update one hour ago...
[20:48] <Alexxxxxxx> I chose a different mirror in synaptic, its so slow that Im waiting for index
[20:48] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, which mirror?
[20:49] <JoshuaL> does karmic still use networkmanager?
[20:49] <natewiebe13> im using main server and its alright
[20:49] <gnubie> Alexxxxxxx;  if you are using the gnome desktop. System>Administration>Software Sources, Download from, choose other, then select fastest mirror.
[20:49] <natewiebe13> JoshuaL: yes
[20:49] <JoshuaL> ok
[20:49] <JoshuaL> natewiebe13, does it still use dbus?
[20:49] <Alexxxxxxx> package list is 5mb long! why not archive it? I have chosen the fastest already but asIve said earlier it doesnt want to gimme -12
[20:49] <natewiebe13> JoshuaL: karmic is using dbus yes
[20:49] <JoshuaL> ok
[20:50] <scyx> i'm up for some experimenting, should i try the karmic beta? is the netbook remix stable enough? and is it possible to install the moblin remix packages on top of a netbook remix once umr is final?
[20:50] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, my list is more than 10 mb ;)
[20:50] <Alexxxxxxx> ok here they are, server isnt synced yet
[20:50] <JoshuaL> then I can bug #python with my problem
[20:50] <funkyHat> I've just updated all my packages and now when I plug in a USB drive it doesn't get mounted or appear in "Computer" in nautilus
[20:50] <Alexxxxxxx> half an hour download from the main server :(
[20:50] <funkyHat> It still shows up if I run lsusb though
[20:50] <Omar87> Hi.
[20:50] <Mc-kay> Is there a server related ubuntu channel, its about mail server issues?
[20:50] <eross> can I go from 8.04 to the beta?  also when the release is final, do people usually have to uninstall the beta and install teh release fresh?
[20:50] <natewiebe13> scyx: there is acutally a ubuntu moblin remix
[20:50] <genii> Mc-kay: #ubuntu-server
[20:51] <funkyHat> Mc-kay: #ubuntu-server
[20:51] <Mc-kay> thanks
[20:51]  * genii hands funkyHat a coffee
[20:51]  * funkyHat sips
[20:51] <Omar87> I just installed Karmic Koala Beta, and when I tried to play some music, I found the sound to be sort of not clear.
[20:51] <scyx> natewiebe13: i know, but i'd like to install the netbook remix first, since the moblin remix doesn't seem to be as polished yet.
[20:51] <bucky> funkyHat, dpkg -l usbmount  is it still installed?
[20:52] <DopeGhoti> eross: one can usually update from one release to the next- to get to 9.10 from 8.04, you will first have to update to 8.10 to 9.04
[20:52] <natewiebe13> scyx: never been a fan of the netbook remix.. i just install standard karmic on netbooks
[20:52] <Alexxxxxxx> btw why would karmic load firestarted?
[20:52] <funkyHat> bucky: nope!
[20:52] <Alexxxxxxx> aint it paranoid?
[20:52] <Alexxxxxxx> it takes resources after all
[20:52] <funkyHat> bucky: I assume it should be?
[20:52] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, and do you have a list of updates now?
[20:53] <scyx> natewiebe13: hm, i like how the panels get combined into one, but i'm not a fan of the new karmic launcher, so i guess i'll try the moblin remix..
[20:53] <Alexxxxxxx> I do have, but I hope local mirror will be updated sooner than I d/l it from US
[20:53] <Alexxxxxxx> but if it wasnt for an hour already, I should prolly switch...
[20:53] <scyx> is the moblin remix actually a full ubuntu install or is it slimmed down? can i switch between the default desktop and the moblin ui?
[20:54] <natewiebe13> scyx: i havent looked into that.. i just know that they exist
[20:54] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, so you used the US one...
[20:54] <Alexxxxxxx> Current status: 3545 new [+3247]. but upgrade doesnt work :(
[20:54] <natewiebe13> main server: 40kb/s
[20:54] <natewiebe13> [thumbs down]
[20:55] <jemark> Alexxxxxxx, what did you type? are u using gnome or kde?
[20:55] <Omar87> I just installed Karmic Koala Beta, and when I tried to play some music, I found the sound to be sort of not clear.
[20:55] <Alexxxxxxx> gnome, I used apt-get and aptitude
[20:56] <Alexxxxxxx> for local mirror, now playing with synaptic and different ones
[20:56] <Alexxxxxxx> KDE sucks btw
[20:56] <natewiebe13> Alexxxxxxx: amen to that
[20:56] <joaopinto> what about respecting other people work/taste ?
[20:56] <Alexxxxxxx> I also love the automatic mirror chooser, it always says that I have problems with connection
[20:56] <Avoloos> n1 philosophy but KDE has it "light" moments ;)
[20:57] <nemo> Omar87: stuttery?
[20:57] <nemo> Omar87: using pulseaudio?
[20:57] <Alexxxxxxx> No, I dont respect other peoples tastes, ok;)
[20:57] <BUGabundo> Alexxxxxxx:  natewiebe13 that's not nice to say
[20:57] <nemo> Omar87: maybe clicks and pops too?
[20:57] <Omar87> nemo, yeah, probably.
[20:57] <Alexxxxxxx> ok Im sorry Ill behave just tell me why mirrors are updated so slowly
[20:57] <Omar87> nemo, does karmic come with Pluseaudio by default?
[20:57] <natewiebe13> BUGabundo, joaopinto: just opinion, not necessarily fact
[20:58] <BUGabundo> Omar87: of course
[20:58] <nemo> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22pulseaudio+sucks%22&word2=%22pulseaudio+rocks%22
[20:58] <Omar87> BUGabundo, why of course? Pulseaudio is weak.
[20:58] <BUGabundo> oh man
[20:58] <BUGabundo> I wish OPs would start a kick spree
[20:58] <BUGabundo> :\\
[20:58] <nemo> well. pulseaudio is a neat idea, but as many folks have ranted, just releasing it to masses seems like a bad idea.
[20:59] <rniamo> hi
[20:59] <nemo> just isn't solid yet
[20:59] <Pici> Alexxxxxxx: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:59] <mzz> nemo: I said the same but I recently found a use case for it
[20:59] <nemo> well.
[20:59] <nemo> there are a lot of use cases *for* it
[20:59] <natewiebe13> i like pulseaudio.. works great for me with a creative x-fi
[20:59] <rniamo> i have a problem with karmic koala : xserver-xorg doesn't want to be installed with an update
[20:59] <nemo> mzz: it is good for bluetooth, network sound...
[20:59] <mzz> (specifically my desktop's sound is now coming out of my laptop's speakers)
[20:59] <mzz> err, headphone
[20:59] <Alexxxxxxx> olala thank you very much
[21:00] <Omar87> nemo, I'm not at all against it. It's good, but it still needs a lot of work to become better and Alsa.
[21:00] <Alexxxxxxx> thats really useful
[21:00] <nemo> mzz: is just that it seems to have *significantly* raised the level of linux sound fail
[21:00] <Omar87> than* Alsa
[21:00] <Alexxxxxxx> Pici rocks, even if he uses kde
[21:00] <nemo> mzz: not to mention screwing up w/ openal and SDL
[21:00] <mzz> nemo: yep, it does not play nice with others
[21:00] <nemo> mzz: I'm tired of crashes in totem, crashes in flash, crashes in hedgewars, crashes in wesnoth, crashes in vlc... and if not crashing, stuttering, popping, locking up, or using 100% of CPU
[21:00] <rniamo>  i have an error : can't connect to /com/ubuntu/upstart
[21:00] <nemo> mzz: but there are more than enough blogs out there discussing this :)
[21:01] <mzz> nemo: I haven't really crashed it. It does seem a bit more cpu-hungry than I'd expect.
[21:01] <nemo> mzz: definitely does not play nice with Qt
[21:01] <nemo> haven't worked out why, precisely
[21:01] <funkyHat> bucky: according to the description of usbmount I should use pmount and hal if I want an icon for devices I plug in...
[21:02] <nemo> but combination of qt/pulseaudio/SDL causes 100% CPU on several systems I've tried, w/ activity in main polling
[21:02] <bucky> ok
[21:02] <Alexxxxxxx> lets collectively hate late repo updaters
[21:02] <mzz> funkyHat: hal, probably, but generally you already are. pmount, not so much
[21:02] <bucky> funkyHat, hal is deprecated.. by udev
[21:02] <mzz> err
[21:02] <funkyHat> bucky: yeah i know
[21:02] <mzz> you're actually right :)
[21:02] <tj83> anyone have compiz desktop effects broken with recent updates?
[21:02]  * mzz is behind
[21:02] <funkyHat> But in any case neither pmount or usbmount is installed
[21:03] <mzz> funkyHat: gnome system? iirc nautilus is what handles icons showing and automounting there.
[21:04] <funkyHat> mzz: yep regular ubuntu system here. Apparently nothing is handling automounting right now
[21:04] <Omar87> nemo, how do I choosa Alsa instead of Paluseaudio?
[21:04] <Omar87> Pulseaudio
[21:04] <len> Speaking of sound, mine broke with Karmic.  First it started resetting my volume to zero after every reboot.  Now a few updates latter, it will retain the volume level but just not work at all.
[21:04] <schmidtm> hi if i boot in recovery-mode and select resume normal boot the display-manager is not started but i drop to a login shell and have to start the display-manager manually
[21:05] <nemo> Omar87: uninstall pulseaudio
[21:05] <Cliff`> hi everyone
[21:05] <Omar87> nemo, then reboot?
[21:05] <mzz> funkyHat: is the dmesg spew, including detecting partitions on sd<whatever>, correct?
[21:05] <nemo> Omar87: reboot shouldn't be necessary, should be able to just kill off pulseaudio if it wasn't halted already
[21:06] <nemo> but couldn't hurt
[21:06] <nemo> Omar87: you miiiight need a sound dæmon - but. you might not.  there's always esound :)
[21:06] <mzz> ugh, esound
[21:06] <nemo> lol
[21:06] <nemo> mzz: you know, I've hated on esound for years
[21:06] <nemo> but it hasn't caused me as much trouble as pulse
[21:06] <mzz> well, perhaps that has uses too, but I don't know what they are.
[21:06] <Alexxxxxxx> are there any people from Czech republic? Can you please stop updating your system for a moment?
[21:07] <tj83> how quickly do updated packages propagate out to mirror servers? the Main US servers are always bogged down with traffic, i love my local mirror but i have noticed not all the same packages are available.
[21:07] <mzz> Alexxxxxxx: heh
[21:07] <nemo> mzz: well, network sound is fun. true, not very useful for 99% of people
[21:07] <len> It's my mythbuntu machine that has the broken sound.  It uses xfce, and I'm not sure if it's even using pulseaudio, but I'll check.
[21:07] <Alexxxxxxx> why would all swedish repos be so late?
[21:07] <mzz> nemo: pulse is also supposed to do clever things with volume control, and its handling of multiple soundcards is useful for some laptop users.
[21:07] <Alexxxxxxx> Theyve got a lot of bandwidth
[21:07] <bucky> Alexxxxxxx, try Hungary? they have all the smart people and all the fast servers
[21:08] <Alexxxxxxx> they also have hot porn stars while we`re atit
[21:08] <Alexxxxxxx> smartness references are mixed
[21:08] <bucky> lol
[21:08] <nemo> mzz: heh. the clever things it has done with volume control is, on one machine, mute it every single time I log in, and on the other, periodically lose track of device, and use some random channel for volume control
[21:08] <Omar87> I must declare that I'm extremely impressed by the amazing booting speed Ubuntu Karmic has to offer!
[21:08] <nemo> mzz: I have some comments in some bugs that are still not resolved
[21:08]  * nemo pokes around
[21:09] <Omar87> Dear Ubuntu developers, I would like to shake hands with you all and express my pride to be part of your community.
[21:09] <Omar87> You've all done a great job!
[21:09] <nemo> hm. do any devs hang out in here? :)
[21:10] <nemo> one or two I guess
[21:10] <nemo> and some drivers?
[21:10]  * mzz wonders how this ubuntuone thing is supposed to work
[21:10] <Alexxxxxxx> whats the point of a late update anyways? or is that "day late" approximate, so they just check the server every other day?
[21:10] <edgy> Hi, when I boot amarok request to open kwallet and asks me for the password, why??
[21:10]  * NoelJB is looking for anyone trying to do connection sharing with karmic.
[21:10] <nemo> mzz: network backup?
[21:10] <nemo> dunno. doesn't seem that interesting to me
[21:10] <mzz> nemo: well, I found a "connect" button in nautilus for it, but it's not actually doing anything, afaict.
[21:11] <nemo> mzz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/400682/comments/57
[21:11] <nemo> mzz: my system has basically been doing tricks like this
[21:11] <nemo> if I do a forced alsa reload, I sometimes get a totally different configuration, that works for a while
[21:11] <nemo> but overall not very usable
[21:11] <edgy> nemo: did you try the latest version?
[21:12] <nemo> mzz: contemplating moving my SB32 from my server to this machine, but the pulseaudio page says they have problems even with that
[21:12] <nemo> edgy: my karmic is fully up to date if that's what you mean
[21:12] <edgy> nemo: no, alsa in karmic is old, update it
[21:12] <nemo> edgy: stability has slightly improved, random control of channels is still there, as well as stutters, pops and freezes
[21:12] <nemo> edgy: you're kidding :-/
[21:12] <mzz> nemo: on a different distro I had pulse raise volume to 100% on startup consistently, which was rather annoying
[21:13] <mzz> so I do know what you mean
[21:13] <NoelJB> edgy, from where?  I don't see anything newer in the audio dev ppa
[21:13] <nemo> edgy: see. this is why pulseaudio shouldn'tve been added, reminds me of state of sound 10 years ago
[21:13] <nemo> edgy: constantly chasing the friggen' bleeding edge
[21:13] <edgy> nemo: no not kidding alsa is improving very fast and they fixed many many things in the  latest snapshot
[21:13] <nemo> once it was stabilised...
[21:13] <NoelJB> edgy, which, of course, is all about pulseaudio
[21:13] <nemo> then switch
[21:13] <Omar87> nemo, lol! It turned out the problem wasn't with Pulseaudio, all I had is to play around a little with alsamixer. :)
[21:13] <nemo> well. alsa has improved, but I assure you my system worked for years before pulse was thrown into the mix
[21:13] <mzz> *alsa* is unstable now? I haven't had any problems with alsa volume control (although I'm not using the device on that bug)
[21:14] <nemo> Omar87: well. that solved it for me too, but the channels pulse is choosing are nonsensical
[21:14] <nemo> Omar87: see my rather muddled comments in bug report above
[21:14] <nemo> mzz: isn't just this one device, I'm focused on this 'cause it is my device, but the problems are many and varied
[21:15] <nemo> mzz: as I was saying here last week, I specifically added to hedgewars 0.9.10/0.9.11 the non-initialisation of SDL (and now openal) if music/sound are unchecked in options (this used to not be the case) *specifically* for ubuntu users using pulseaudio
[21:15] <nemo> mzz: otherwise they would get 100% CPU usage, lockups, game crashes.
[21:15] <tj83> nemo, described to me at atlanta linux fest but canonical ubuntu sound guy, they are taking the hardware support of alsa and porting the configuration flexibility of pulse audio with it to keep up with the development of other newer packages, Skype being the big interest right now, simply cause the alsa project didnt want to do things the way canonical would like then, nor other distributions as well. so alsa has dropped the ball it seems w
[21:15] <tj83> hile they are still the ones to support the hardware.
[21:15] <nemo> mzz: at least if they didn't use sound, the game functioned
[21:16] <nemo> tj83: I have sympathy, enormous sympathy, for that side of things.  not to mention buggy HW
[21:16] <nemo> tj83: but still, should stick with whichever solution offers best stability and user experience
[21:17] <nemo> and merge in pulse once that is solved
[21:17] <aliendude5300> OMG Karmic's login screen settings are WAAAY over simplified :/
[21:17] <Trewas> pulseaudio works on top of alsa (and below, and a bit on the side too), so it's not like there is choice between alsa and pulseaudio, as with pulseaudio you get both
[21:17] <edgy> nemo: for alsa it's better to try this ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-snapshot.tar.gz
[21:17] <edgy> but if it's a pulseaudio problem I don't know
[21:17] <tj83> right right now nemo that puts us in "between a rock and a hard place" for all the linux community. alsa the ole rock and pulse the hard place getting softer by day
[21:17] <aliendude5300> Almost NO settings at all compared to Jaunty
[21:17] <nemo> tj83: oh. another one I don't think I agree with. the choice to stick with wodim
[21:18] <nemo> I think schilly's stuff is considerably more reliable/maintained
[21:18] <aliendude5300> We need to revert this. It seems like a huge step in the wrong direction
[21:18] <nemo> aliendude5300: well "we" aren't the drivers :)
[21:18] <mzz> aliendude5300: the screen itself is improved though (specifically I really like having a keyboard layout switcher there)
[21:19] <nemo> tj83: I know schilly's rant is quite one-sided, but it sums up pretty well the situation none-the-less
[21:19] <tj83> aliendude5300, well, the development is just getting started, its a new direction, not really necessarily the wrong one. change takes time and sometimes is hard.
[21:19] <nemo> and fact is, removing wodim has improved burning on several systems for me
[21:19] <nemo> tj83: sure. all that is true. it just shouldn't be the default.
[21:19] <nemo> is like they are using us all as alpha testers
[21:19] <mzz> why not? what broke?
[21:19] <tj83> I'm just looking forward to letting karmic be lesson learned in all directions and then put what we learn into Lucid Lynx 10.04 LTS what matters most.
[21:19] <tj83> face it all the .10's have been a little on the rocky side.
[21:20] <mzz> oh, pulse still?
[21:20] <tj83> nemo we are all testers
[21:20] <nemo> tj83: even people on hardy/jaunty?
[21:20] <nemo> tj83: still. this is a bit *too* rocky
[21:20] <aliendude5300> tj83: Look at Jaunty's Login Windows settings. Notice all the options that let you change almost anything. Now look at Karmic's Login Screen settings. Notice that there are literally only 3 settings. Notice how much Karmic's implementation sucks.
[21:21] <tj83> in preps for the LTS sure, they will always try to lean from the past. its the only way to move forward.
[21:21] <nemo> mzz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrkit/+bug/149076/comments/58
[21:21] <mzz> aliendude5300: recommend you file bugs (if there aren't any yet) on the specific options you're missing
[21:21] <nemo> mzz: me again :)
[21:21] <Alexxxxxxx> kthxbye
[21:21] <aliendude5300> mzz: I'm missing all the options except for automatic login.
[21:21] <nemo> mzz: but, yeah. ditching wodim has been a consistently reliable solution for me :-p
[21:21] <nemo> mzz: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html - Schilly's rant
[21:22] <mzz> aliendude5300: and you actually messed around with *all* the options in the previous login screen settings dialog? :)
[21:22] <nemo> er. Schily
[21:22] <mzz> nemo: I probably read that one already
[21:22] <tj83> aliendude5300, go back to jaunty or hardy or horay or whatever pleases you. the masses still want the new new and look forward to what is to come.
[21:22] <aliendude5300> mzz: Just about.
[21:22] <aliendude5300> Even the option to hide users from the login screen
[21:22] <eross> if i were to upgrade to karmic beta, is it usually best to reinstall when the release comes out, or is it just an upgrade?
[21:23] <crdlb> you know, ubuntu couldn't keep using gdm 2.20 forever
[21:23] <aliendude5300> and the ability to change the look
[21:23] <mzz> aliendude5300: ok, so file bugs (unless they already exist) for pieces of functionality you need back
[21:23] <nemo> mzz: BTW, I run into you all over the place these days :)
[21:24] <scyx> question: is the moblin remix actually a full ubuntu install or is it slimmed down? can i switch between the default desktop and the moblin ui?
[21:24] <nemo> I wonder if you're on gimpnet too
[21:24] <Omar87> We shall wait and see how the bloated Vista 7 will compete against that. :)
[21:24] <aliendude5300> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2446/3903346203_c96a2a59a8_o.png This is a picture of Jaunty's settings. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3904127090_7a7c8e8a96_o.png This is a picture of Karmic's settings. Do I seriously have to explain why it's a bad idea to remove all these settings that could be useful to someone?
[21:24] <mzz> nemo: nah, just these two networks, but in many more channels than you're seeing me in (this is window 49)
[21:24] <nemo> yeep
[21:25] <nemo> mzz: I try to keep under 19 so I don't have to bother to learn switching beyond that point in irssi
[21:25] <eross> aliendude5300 - it's still beta..?
[21:25] <nemo> BTW, I filed a comment very recently in quite possibly the completely wrong bug...
[21:26] <nemo> I was wondering if anyone else here is experiencing same behaviour
[21:26] <aliendude5300> eross: It will be released in 24 days. The dev team isn't gonna pull a well polished Login Screen manager out of their *** 10 days before Karmic comes out :/
[21:26] <eross> when linus said bloated I think he meant vs previous distros, wasn't comparing it to other OS's. Plus the bloat doesn't mean it will drag it down, like other OS bloat.
[21:26]  * nemo pokes around for comment
[21:26] <mzz> aliendude5300: just comparing the number of controls in the dialogs is not interesting. Again, which of these settings did you actually mess with? I doubt that many people actually use the remote login settings, for example. And I suspect a few things from the previous gdmsetup are now just always available, like accessibility.
[21:27] <aliendude5300> Ability to use themes, ability to remove users from the face browser screen, ability to choose between the login where you typed the user name and had no pictures or the face browser.
[21:27] <aliendude5300> That's all that really matters right now.
[21:27] <mzz> aliendude5300: (I agree that the current dialog is missing a few things, I was looking for the "disable sound on login screen display" option myself earlier. But just filing a single bug "put back previous login screen settings" isn't helpful)
[21:27] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/213099/comments/9
[21:28] <nemo> ^^^ - anyone else getting behaviour like this?
[21:28] <nemo> it is moderately annoying
[21:28] <mzz> nemo: I tentatively blame fglrx
[21:29] <Veinor> My ar9285 keeps dropping connection for a few seconds; my active SSH session doesn't respond to anything, but then a few seconds later every keystroke I press all gets processed.
[21:29] <aliendude5300> I might've tried to develop a better login screen setting window myself, but I know nothing about how gdm works :/
[21:30] <funkyHat> mzz: yeah, dmesg stuff is all there
[21:30] <Veinor> It's not enough to render it unusable, but it's really annoying.
[21:30] <mzz> nemo: works for me using the glmatrix screensaver and unichrome video driver
[21:30] <nemo> mzz: wouldn't surprise me. unfortunately w/o fglrx I get no eye candy at all :-/
[21:30] <nemo> yeah, glmatrix definitely not WFM
[21:30] <mzz> nemo: that is: the screensaver disappears and a password dialog appears if I wiggle the mouse.
[21:30] <crdlb> aliendude5300: it looks like the new gdm does not even have graphical themes
[21:30] <mzz> (it's not running behind the login dialog, it just goes away completely)
[21:30] <nemo> mzz: however, I think I'm seeing reports of same behaviour w/ other graphics cards
[21:31] <mzz> nemo: oh, and I'm not running compiz. That may be relevant.
[21:31] <nemo> ah.
[21:31] <nemo> hmmm
[21:31]  * nemo tries disabling compiz
[21:31] <aliendude5300> Can someone atleast tell me how to remove a user from the gdm login screen by modifying config files?
[21:32] <mzz> Veinor: that's ath9k, right? Argh, that bug's still there?
[21:32] <Veinor> Yeah, ath9k.
[21:32] <zedkappa> O_o i thought it would be quiet in here :P
[21:32] <Veinor> It's not a regression, then? D:
[21:32] <Veinor> ffff
[21:32] <nemo> mzz: nope. that didn't help
[21:32] <Veinor> any way to alleviate symptoms?
[21:32] <mzz> Veinor: it is a regression somewhere around 2.6.31ish in the kernel, if it's what I think it is. Sec.
[21:32] <Veinor> Oh, cool
[21:33] <Veinor> Going to reinstall Jaunty then and use that until it gets fixed.
[21:33]  * aliendude5300 is going to assume the file he is looking for is etc/gdm/gdm.conf and start playing with that.
[21:33] <aliendude5300> ehh... its a blank file?
[21:33] <vigo> I think NM was fixed today,
[21:34] <mzz> Veinor: see https://lists.ath9k.org/pipermail/ath9k-devel/2009-August/002277.html and similar posts from that same list, and consider giving backport-modules (if I recall the name correctly) a spin
[21:34] <Veinor> I'll try that.
[21:34] <Veinor> before killing Karmic and going back to Jaunty.
[21:34] <aliendude5300> ahh... /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[21:35] <zedkappa> ^^ hey i am not an avid ubuntu user, i'm actually just started. is it normal for all of the software in the software center to be incompatible?
[21:35] <aliendude5300> what is the GDM in Karmic?
[21:35] <zedkappa> *bad grammar
[21:35] <aliendude5300> 2.28?
[21:36] <mzz> zedkappa: define "be incompatible"
[21:36] <mzz> aliendude5300: apt-cache policy gdm will tell
[21:36] <aliendude5300> ah...
[21:36] <vigo> zedkappa: Did or have you read the Before you install Karmic and other stuff?
[21:36] <aliendude5300> Does anyone know what Scripting language is used to make the Login Screen preferences dialog box?
[21:37] <aliendude5300> I know Java and C++ I might be able to help make a new one that doesn't suck so much :/
[21:37] <mzz> aliendude5300: trick question! gdmsetup is in c
[21:37] <zedkappa> ya. i guess what my real question is, can you install software from jaunty in karmic?
[21:37] <NoelJB> anyone else using emacs here?
[21:37] <mzz> aliendude5300: (which is usually not referred to as a scripting language)
[21:37] <mzz> NoelJB: yes
[21:37] <vigo> zedkappa: for the most part, yes.
[21:37] <mzz> zedkappa: generally not a good idea
[21:37] <NoelJB> mzz, did you let the system upgrade you to emacs23?
[21:37] <aliendude5300> hmm
[21:37] <mzz> zedkappa: afaik, at least.
[21:38] <mzz> NoelJB: I ran an "sudo apt-get install emacs23" earlier
[21:38] <mzz> NoelJB: (and then purged emacs-snapshot, which I'd installed earlier)
[21:38] <vigo> zedkappa: Like Package that does Office is still the same name, but it is based on a different kernel.
[21:38] <aliendude5300> do you know what the old login window manager settings package was called?
[21:38] <NoelJB> mzz, if you run emacs, does it appear in a separate window?  I'm seeing it run only in the original xterm
[21:38] <crdlb> aliendude5300: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557553
[21:38] <mzz> NoelJB: I never installed the "emacs" virtual package, if that's what you mean
[21:38] <mzz> NoelJB: it runs graphically.
[21:39] <crdlb> aliendude5300: you can't fix that one with a configuration dialog
[21:39] <NoelJB> mzz, damn ... so why isn't it here?
[21:39] <mzz> aliendude5300: part of the old gdm package
[21:39] <NoelJB> mzz, what packages do you have installed?
[21:39] <mzz> NoelJB: emacs23 and deps. Not emacs23-lucid or emacs23-nox.
[21:39] <zedkappa> mzz,vigo: ok, 1 sec, im going to check something out
[21:40] <NoelJB> mzz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/287279/
[21:40] <mzz> NoelJB: /usr/bin/emacs should be asymlink to /etc/alternatives/emacs which is a symlink to /usr/bin/emacs-x here. What's that for you?
[21:40] <NoelJB> so if I REMOVE emacs23-nox it might work?  I ought to be able to have both.
[21:40] <NoelJB> was just about to check
[21:41] <aliendude5300> crdlb: I bet you could easily do it. Here's one solution: Have a tab called users. List all the users, their displac pic, and their full name in a neatly designed list, and to the left of each have a checkmark to determine if they are displayed. That work?
[21:41] <vigo> NoelJB: I have both emacs working, Client and Gnome
[21:41] <NoelJB> mzz, that would be the bug.  they have it pointing to nox
[21:41] <crdlb> aliendude5300: read the bug; it's not implemented in gdm itself
[21:41] <NoelJB> something in the update b0rked it.
[21:41] <aliendude5300> crdlb: really? why not?
[21:41] <mzz> NoelJB: some poking with update-alternatives may help
[21:41] <crdlb> aliendude5300: how would I know? :)
[21:42] <funkyHat> NoelJB: why do you want emacs23 and emacs23-nox?
[21:43] <funkyHat> emacs32 has everything that -nox has
[21:43] <mzz> NoelJB: also, you could just remove emacs23-nox and use emacs -nw instead
[21:43] <vigo> 22
[21:43] <Veinor> mzz: I tried downloading the latest compat-wireless by the wya
[21:44] <Veinor> didn't help.
[21:44] <Veinor> well, it didn't entirely fix the problem
[21:44] <mzz> Veinor: you might need to reboot (or be pretty thorough in unloadind and reloading modules)?
[21:45] <mzz> s/?//
[21:45] <Veinor> yeah, I did reboot
[21:45] <NoelJB> ah, the upgrade from emacs22 didn't bother to INSTALL emacs23, just emacs23-nox!  that should fix it.
[21:45] <Veinor> I'm going to boot into windows and get a baseline for connectivity in my dorm
[21:45] <vigo> funkyHat: That was not a correction, it was a clarification. so please do not throw marshmallows at me.
[21:45] <Veinor> then play around in karmic
[21:46] <NoelJB> fixed
[21:46] <NoelJB> except for the insanely huge font size
[21:46] <mzz> NoelJB: weird, I wonder if you upgraded at exactly the wrong time
[21:47] <aliendude5300> can someone point me to the gdm svn/git repository?
[21:47] <Veinor> if it doesn't work I can always replace the wireless card.
[21:47] <mzz> aliendude5300: probably see http://git.gnome.org/
[21:47] <NoelJB> mzz, perhaps
[21:47] <mzz> aliendude5300: but make sure you read the bug crdlb linked you to and the bug mentioned on the bottom of that bug first
[21:49] <mzz> am I the only one slightly bothered by "Ubuntu Software Center" being the longest string in the Applications menu, making that menu wider?
[21:50] <funkyHat> It hasn't appeared in my applications menu, for some reason
[21:50] <Slant> Anyone experiencing painful video lagginess in Karmic under Intel chipsets?
[21:50] <Slant> Not a fresh install, upgraded from Jaunty.
[21:50] <funkyHat> I still have "Add/Remove Applications"
[21:52] <bucky> Slant, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[21:53] <Slant> bucky, Thanks.
[21:53] <aliendude5300> ahh... I see. The users to be excluded are specified in lines 79-100 of http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gdm/tree/gui/simple-greeter/gdm-user-manager.c
[21:53] <Slant> bucky, Hmm. I'm under 2.6.31. So, KMS should be on by default.
[21:54] <Slant> How can I check the status?
[21:54] <aliendude5300> Hmm... the users to be excluded need to be imported from a configuration file or something and then parsed into the proper format...
[21:55] <guntbert> mzz: true, but for a bug its a bit too small an issue, isn't it?
[21:55] <mzz> Slant: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should mention it
[21:55] <mzz> guntbert: yeah. I wish I could conveniently demote it to a submenu though.
[21:55] <bucky> Slant, try c. from the command line to see if it makes a difference
[21:56] <Slant> bucky, I suspect "(EE) intel(0): Failed to initialize kernel memory manager" mean it isn't enabled...
[21:56] <bucky> Slant, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[21:56] <NoelJB> mzz, perhaps :-)
[21:56] <mzz> Slant: pastebin your Xorg.0.log and possibly your dmesg?
[21:56] <bucky> Slant, sudo rmmod i915
[21:56] <bucky> Slant sudo modprobe i915 modeset=1
[21:56] <mzz> Slant: oh, nvm, sounds like bucky knows what this is (I don't, I'd have to debug)
[21:56] <bucky> Slant sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[21:57] <NoelJB> mzz, would you prefer it just called Software Center?
[21:57] <Veinor> mzz: ok, I'm going to try backports-modules-karmic
[21:57] <mzz> NoelJB: that'd be shorter, so yeah :)
[21:57] <NoelJB> We would already know that it is Ubuntu
[21:57] <NoelJB> mzz, feel free to file a bug report.
[21:57] <bucky> Slant if it makes a difference add it permanently like the doc says ^^
[21:57] <guntbert> mzz: edit the menu entry yourself :)
[21:58] <mzz> guntbert: I refuse to edit package manager-managed files that aren't config files (outside of /etc)
[21:58] <Slant> bucky, no difference.
[21:59] <guntbert> mzz: nay - right click on applications - edit menu - select the offending line - properties - shorten the name
[21:59] <Slant> Is there a way to check the UXA vs. EXA acceleration status? Or even general acceleration status?
[21:59] <bucky> Slant, are you logged on here from the same  box?
[22:00] <Slant> bucky, no. Different box.
[22:01] <Slant> bucky, anyway, according to that wiki page it's already enabled from the kernel version.
[22:01] <bucky> Slant  video lagginess with the flash plugin ?
[22:01] <Slant> bucky, no. Overall video lagginess.
[22:01] <bucky> Slant, that's not what the page says
[22:01] <Veinor> mzz: bleh, I think it's still there :/
[22:01] <Veinor> although this might be compat-wireless
[22:01] <mzz> guntbert: oh hey, another thing I didn't know actually worked these days
[22:02] <Slant> bucky, video is laggy. Flashing on screen. netbook-launcher pegs to 100% CPU usage. Screen painting is horrendously slow.
[22:02] <bucky> Slant, oh this is a netbook?
[22:03] <vigo> guntbert: Isn't that stuff in Main Menu or Keyboard Shortcuts or Keyboard?
[22:03] <mzz> huh, isn't that envelope indicator on the panel supposed to tell me about new mail?
[22:03] <mzz> vigo: what stuff?
[22:03] <DopeGhoti> mzz: or other things that may need your attention.  Instant messages are the only example I can think of.
[22:04] <guntbert> mzz: and since karmic its in system/prefrences/main menu too ...
[22:04] <vigo> mzz: There was a mention of Right Click choose this or that.
[22:04] <mzz> DopeGhoti: no, I mean it is *not* telling me about new mail (I can start evolution through it, which then does see new mail)
[22:04] <Slant> bucky, yes.
[22:04] <sven-tek910> Hi all. My 9.10 questions: How can i configure the gdm theme? gdmsetup is now reduced to automatic login only? Where is that nice configure dialog gone?
[22:04] <mzz> do I have a pref switched backwards or is that not supposed to work?
[22:05] <mzz> vigo: I knew how to get to the menu editor, I just didn't know that let me edit the name instead of just letting me turn the entry off
[22:05] <bucky> Slant, have you done an sudo apt-get udate && sudo apt-get upgrade lately?
[22:05] <DopeGhoti> mzz: On my system, if (for example) Evolution has focus, it does not get such indications, but if I'm doing something else or AFK, it will indicate how many emails have arrived.
[22:05] <vigo> mzz: Okee dokee, just trying to help as it is now.
[22:05] <DopeGhoti> mzz: but evolution must be running :)
[22:05] <Veinor> hm, backports seems to not work at all!
[22:06] <Slant> bucky, last night.
[22:06] <Slant> bucky, I guess I can right now.
[22:06] <bucky> hmm.. no idea
[22:08] <mzz> DopeGhoti: Bah. I wonder if it's not looking at non-inbox folders, even though evo itself is.
[22:08] <sven-tek910> bye
[22:09] <Veinor> mzz: so should I get the ath9k source and apply the patch that you linked a while ago?
[22:10] <mzz> Veinor: I don't know if it helps. I don't have access to the problematic hardware currently.
[22:10] <vigo> mzz: This forum page covers most all that Main Menu can do, is really a nifty widget: http://ubuntuforums.org/tags.php?tag=main+menu
[22:10] <PMT> World, I'm in Karmic, and I want to get rid of the list of users with an "Other" prompt and instead just have the username/password prompts of old. I don't know where I can change this, though, and searching isn't help.
[22:10] <Veinor> blah :(
[22:11] <bucky> PMT, you mean at the log in screen?
[22:12] <PMT> bucky: I do indeed.
[22:13] <bucky> pmt you could always upgrade to Hardy
[22:14] <guntbert> bucky: what did you say? upgrade to hardy?
[22:15] <bucky> yup.. that's what i do when i can't stand new features
[22:16] <guntbert> bucky: understood - now :-)
[22:16]  * bucky loves the new ugly poop brown default gdm that he got in the last update
[22:17] <bucky> some people resist change...
[22:17] <Veinor> "error: invalid environment block"
[22:17] <Veinor> don't feel like fixing whatever the hell that is. Guess I get to do regression testing anyway :D
[22:18] <Veinor> fdisk format reinstall, doo dah, doo dah
[22:18] <bucky> 439784
[22:18] <scyx> does anyone know if the moblin remix actually is a full ubuntu install or if it's slimmed down? can i switch between the default desktop and the moblin ui?
[22:18] <bucky> Bug 439784
[22:19] <PMT> bucky: your trolling is amusing, but unhelpful. :)
[22:19] <Veinor> bucky: I was planning on installing Jaunty anyway
[22:19] <jbuncher> gribouille : I use 9.10 and 8.04 on both of my machines, you just need separate partitions set up.  I use separate home folders though, so the different settings between different app versions don't conflict.
[22:19] <Veinor> to do some regression testing.
[22:20] <MaximLevitsky> Is there a way to opt out of launchpad redirecting to ubuntu wiki page when reporting bugs?
[22:20] <bucky> PMT, you can change it somewhat in System=>Administration=>Login Screen  but that's about it
[22:20] <MaximLevitsky> without a url edit that is
[22:20] <jbuncher> MaximLevitsky : To my great annoyance, it doesn't seem like it.
[22:21] <bucky> PMT if that's not good enough.. backport your own package from an earlier version of gdm
[22:21] <MaximLevitsky> Yestraday I had to fight with fscked filesystem, and on top of that, that redirection
[22:21] <MaximLevitsky> I thought that firefox is broken....
[22:22] <DopeGhoti> MaximLevitsky: if it was just fscked, why would you have to fight with it? ;)
[22:22] <jbuncher> MaximLevitsky : Yeah, I know, that redirect (esp if you're not expecting it) is the *last* thing you want to see when reporting a bug when you're not sure what the package is.
[22:22] <MaximLevitsky> DopeGhoti: never lost the dpkg database?
[22:24] <NoelJB> mzz, I don't think it was when I did the upgrade.  I recently upgraded Karmic VM has the same emacs23 problem.
[22:24] <mzz> NoelJB: well, I didn't upgrade, so I can't really help.
[22:25] <NoelJB> :-)
[22:26] <vigo> NoelJB: Emacs 22 x11 works fine, or at least launches.
[22:27] <mzz> are there supposed to be more options below the second separator in indicator-applet-session (the one on the right of the top panel by default)?
[22:27] <NoelJB> and apparentl they have the X and NOX packages conflicting now.
[22:28] <MaximLevitsky> What is the best way to annoy maintainers?
[22:28] <Amaranth> mzz: upgrade and log out
[22:28] <BluesKaj> mzz , add taskbars
[22:28] <MaximLevitsky> I mean I have libmms
[22:28] <aliendude5300> Yo... I think the passwd -a command is broken in Karmic. Can someone verify? I am running the command as root by the way.
[22:28] <MaximLevitsky> I fixed there few bugs
[22:28] <phako> since when is the modification of the apt database so slow?
[22:28] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: Why would you want to annoy us?
[22:29] <MaximLevitsky> But it isn't maintained for a lot of time
[22:29] <NoelJB> MaximLevitsky, easy.  stop reporting bugs.
[22:29] <NoelJB> (by which I mean, if you stop reporting them, that would be annoying)
[22:29] <MaximLevitsky> Because I want to watch mms stream, and libmms just fails all the time
[22:29] <mzz> Amaranth: no upgrades, and I just rebooted, which fixed one of the separators but not the second one
[22:30] <MaximLevitsky> I tried to contact the maintainer, but no reply
[22:30] <Amaranth> mzz: weird, I don't have any at the bottom
[22:30] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: Oh, upstream maintainer for libmms
[22:30] <mzz> Amaranth: what's the package and version I need to be on?
[22:30] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: Fork it
[22:30] <jbuncher> Are there any motu devs in here that would be interested (or at least willing) to make libstdc++5 available in Karmic?  Some proprietary programs still depend on it, and will make upgrading to Karmic impossible for some.
[22:30] <sroecker> hi guys, can you open pictures with nautilus? i can't and there are no previews
[22:30] <aliendude5300> jbuncher: what's a MOTU dev?
[22:30] <Amaranth> mzz: I have 0.1.6-0ubuntu1
[22:30] <NoelJB> !motu
[22:31] <mzz> Amaranth: of what? I'm on indicator-applet-session-0.2.0-0ubuntu1
[22:31] <Amaranth> The MOTU report to Council Greyskull
[22:31] <aliendude5300> ehh... I don't even know how to make a deb package :/
[22:31] <Amaranth> mzz: indicator-session
[22:31] <Amaranth> mzz: so they broke it again between my version and yours
[22:31] <mzz> Amaranth: ahh, too many packages. indicator-session is 0.1.6-0ubuntu1
[22:31] <jbuncher> aliendude5300 : master of the universe, I figured there's no shot at getting libstdc++5 officially supported in main, so I'm hoping there's a a kind universe dev who will take pity on some of us users.
[22:31] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth, in fact maybe that what I will do
[22:31] <Amaranth> mzz: my indicator-applet-session is 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 too
[22:31] <mzz> Amaranth: (indicator-applet, indicator-applet-session and indicator-session are all different packages)
[22:32] <Amaranth> mzz: Perhaps you have multiple users and I don't?
[22:32] <sroecker> jbuncher, you cold take the old package and upload it to a ppa
[22:32] <mzz> (no indicator-session-applet yet though!)
[22:32] <mzz> Amaranth: nope, just me.
[22:32] <MaximLevitsky> However, all I need is to accept there two patches
[22:32] <aliendude5300> wait.. masters of the universe? That crappy old movie? Is that an intentional play on words?
[22:32] <mzz> Amaranth: thanks for checking, I'll debug.
[22:32] <Veinor> mzz: do you know if there's any way I can use the old version (which seems to work without that bug) with Karmic?
[22:32] <Veinor> like, use the old version of whatever module
[22:32] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: it's a cartoon :)
[22:33] <aliendude5300> same thing :/
[22:33] <Veinor> because testing on a 1008HA that I happen to have isn't dropping connection at all.
[22:33] <BluesKaj> aliendude5300, I think it just worked out like a play on words universe/multiverse are repos
[22:33] <mzz> Veinor: I don't know what you'd have to downgrade. I suspect it'd be pretty hairy to do it without running an older (2.6.30 or so) kernel, and I don't know how many side effects that would have.
[22:33] <Veinor> yeah, that's probably true :/
[22:33] <Veinor> thanks for the help anyway
[22:33] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: Everyone ignores the movie
[22:33] <Veinor> at least now I know how to fix it as a last resort
[22:33] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Nah, pretty sure it was intentional considering Council Greyskull :)
[22:34] <aliendude5300> Anyways, could someone here test if passwd -a is broken or if it is just on my machine?
[22:34] <mzz> aliendude5300: gives me the usage screen
[22:34] <jbuncher> sroecker :  ....tempting, though I've never done anything like that before.  Is that fairly easy to set up (>1 hour at cli with instructions?).
[22:34] <Amaranth>        -a, --all
[22:34] <Amaranth>            This option can be used only with -S and causes show status for all
[22:34] <Amaranth>            users.
[22:34] <BluesKaj> lucky coincidence maybe Amaranth ...not all are scifi movie / gamer fans
[22:34] <mzz> aliendude5300: works if I add -S :)
[22:34] <BluesKaj> i hope :)
[22:34] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: These guys are :)
[22:35] <NoelJB> MaximLevitsky, you might want to use the quilt patch system.  that's how we handle patches in other ubuntu packages.
[22:35] <mzz> aliendude5300: might be nice if the documentation mentioned that or it implied -S though.
[22:35] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, shudda figgered :)
[22:35] <sroecker> jbuncher, the hardest thing is to sign the ubuntu code of conduct ;) instructions are very good
[22:35] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: I'm former and hopefully soon to again be MOTU :)
[22:35] <BluesKaj> bbl
[22:35] <MaximLevitsky> NoelJB: that doesn't matter. I need to have a patch accepted upstream
[22:35] <aliendude5300> mzz: it should imply -S by default. It shouldn't be needed.
[22:36] <MaximLevitsky> NoelJB: but upstream doesn't responds
[22:36] <jbuncher> sroecker : ah, the step I've been avoiding because I don't use a pgp key often and don't want to misplace it
[22:36] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: Blame the dude that invented it 20 years ago or whatever :P
[22:36] <vigo> aliendude5300: What did you want tested?
[22:36] <mzz> jbuncher: misplacing a gpg key requires effort
[22:36] <aliendude5300> vigo: passwd -a
[22:36] <Amaranth> aliendude5300: Probably never going to be changed at this point
[22:36] <mzz> Amaranth: why not? I can't imagine anything actually relying on passwd -a not working
[22:37] <Amaranth> mzz: You'd be surprised
[22:37] <jbuncher> mzz : I have a knack for breaking my systems and finding very obscure bugs, this probably includes losing gpg keys.
[22:37] <NoelJB> MaximLevitsky, use your descretion
[22:37] <Amaranth> You can go ahead and file the bug upstream though
[22:37] <mzz> jbuncher: oh, *losing* a gpg key is easy
[22:37] <aliendude5300> Amaranth: I can change it MYSELF... probably takes less than 15 minutes unless passwd is written in assembler. ;)
[22:37] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: Try to get the patches into Debian and/or Ubuntu
[22:37] <vigo> aliendude5300: I get no valid response using that.
[22:38]  * mzz wonders what's up with this mail-indicator-applet
[22:38] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: There are a few packages that lack their original upstream and get maintained in Debian while other distros just pull changes from them now
[22:38] <aliendude5300> passwd -a should list the password status on all accounts.
[22:38] <aliendude5300> but it only works with passwd -S -a
[22:38] <vigo> Ahhh
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: I try, but problem is that upstream is ubuntu
[22:39] <DopeGhoti> (or -Sa, or -aS)
[22:39] <aliendude5300> I could easily fix this if it's written in C/C++ or Java ;)
[22:39] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: This is an Ubuntu-native package?
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> https://launchpad.net/libmms
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: almost
[22:39] <aliendude5300> Only one problem -- where's the source code for passwd?!?
[22:39] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: err, no, that just means the developers use launchpad
[22:39] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: ah, soren though
[22:39] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: exactly
[22:40] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: bug 439764 is scary :/
[22:40] <aliendude5300> would passwd be provided by base-passwd?
[22:40] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: add an also affects for the distro package
[22:40] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: perhaps mark that one as a security vulnerability
[22:40] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: should get some eyes
[22:41] <sroecker> jbuncher, google ppaquickstart, the source package for libstdc++5 is gcc3. apt-get source gcc-3.3 and try to build it, but I dunno how hard it is to build gcc
[22:41] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth, this bug is what I really hate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libmms/+bug/238984
[22:41] <Amaranth> sroecker: the source is gone too :)
[22:41] <DopeGhoti> aliendude5300: I think it's in the passwd package
[22:42] <sroecker> lol, didnt think about that
[22:42] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: mark them against ubuntu too
[22:42] <MaximLevitsky> I had closed there a dosen of duplicated
[22:42] <mzz> sroecker: takes a while, but should be doable apart from that
[22:42] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: did that of course
[22:42] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: apparently not the right way
[22:42] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: should have clicked on "Also affects distribution"
[22:42] <mzz> sroecker: (it takes a while because at least on gentoo building libstdc++.so.5 involves building g++ to build it with)
[22:42] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: I did that
[22:42] <jbuncher> sroecker, I was just going to ask for all of that, thanks!  I assume I should try building it on Karmic?  Also curious as to how "building" of a gcc package actually works, isn't gcc used to build other packages?
[22:43] <aliendude5300> DopeGhoti: I can't locate a 'passwd' package.
[22:43] <sroecker> mzz, ah yes, that was the part I was worrying about
[22:43] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: They aren't showing up
[22:43] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: ah, about buffer overflow, that I will correct
[22:43] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: it should have made one bug number show for both upstream and the distro
[22:43] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: the other one you linked isn't reported in ubuntu either
[22:43] <mzz> jbuncher: it involves building gcc using any c compiler (including a newer gcc), then using that gcc to build gcc, then using that new gcc to build g++, then using that g++ to build libstdc++.so.5, iirc. But the build system should just figure all that out.
[22:43] <DopeGhoti> aliendude5300: I see it on my karmic server- apt-cache show passwd
[22:44] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth:
[22:44] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmms/+bug/439764
[22:44] <jbuncher> mzz, Yikes, thank god for the build system then.
[22:44] <mzz> jbuncher: (and it might not build gcc twice, I'm not sure)
[22:44] <FFEMTcJ> my mouse is slowing to a crawl!! :-(
[22:44] <mzz> jbuncher: (it definitely builds gcc twice if you're actually building a gcc you want to install, but it might not here)
[22:45] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libmms/+bug/238984
[22:45] <aliendude5300> ahh... you would be right although the source code can't be downloaded using apt-get source. You have to go to http://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/features.php
[22:45] <MaximLevitsky> Amaranth: now both bugs state that they do affect ubuntu, right?
[22:45] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: marked as High and a security vulnerability
[22:46] <Amaranth> MaximLevitsky: yep
[22:46] <jbuncher> mzz sroecker :  Where should I apt-get the source from?  My sources.list is set up for karmic, which doesn't have that package.
[22:47] <aliendude5300> Found it.
[22:47] <sroecker> jbuncher, forgot to tell you: packages.ubuntu.com/gcc-3.3
[22:47] <mzz> jbuncher: I don't know what the most convenient way is, but just grabbing it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ works (the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz)
[22:48] <sroecker> jbuncher, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/libstdc++5 then dget -x url-of-the-dsc.file
[22:48] <sroecker> it loads alle the stuff then
[22:48] <aliendude5300> checking out SVN right now
[22:48] <lamalex> Does anyone know anything about OSS4 and why ubuntu (or more distros in general) haven't adopted it?
[22:49] <aliendude5300> Too bad I don't have commit priveledges. Even if I fix this it probably wont get committed.
[22:49] <DopeGhoti> lamalex: because they're too busy beating their fists against pulseaudio? :)
[22:49] <jbuncher> mzz sroecker :  Ok, I'm going to try and get the pgp/ppa stuff set up, then I'll try to grab the package
[22:49] <aliendude5300> OMFG The SVN checkout uses over 500MB for such simple functionality :/
[22:50] <mzz> sroecker: ah, I didn't know that one yet
[22:51] <mzz> aliendude5300: of?
[22:51] <aliendude5300> Just the basic password management tool source code.
[22:51] <mzz> odd.
[22:51] <aliendude5300> See for yourself: svn checkout svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-shadow/ pkg-shadow
[22:51] <aliendude5300> :/
[22:52] <aliendude5300> I think the useless tags directory is the problem.
[22:53] <yofel> jbuncher: I already compiled gcc-3.3 for karmic. If you want it grab it from my ppa https://edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/off-ppa/+packages
[22:53] <aliendude5300> Whatever -- I figured out exactly how to fix it... but theres a comment in the source code that says the -a argument requires -S
[22:53] <aliendude5300> from the source code: http://pastebay.com/59451
[22:53] <PMT> bucky: that login configuration dialog doesn't allow me to force typing a user/pass
[22:53] <mzz> aliendude5300: err, yeah, you're pulling a slightly excessive number of tags there
[22:54] <PMT> It allows either picking a user or forcing auto-login
[22:54] <aliendude5300> to fix that, all you have to do is use a block comment around the if (anyflag || !Sflg || (optind < argc)) statement.
[22:54] <bucky> yup
[22:54] <ryanakca> What happened to the 'loop' module? 'modprobe loop' no longer works, it complains of an unknown module.
[22:54] <PMT> That's precisely useless to me, since I wanted to force people to type their username, as there are several hundred users, and I don't want people scrolling to find themself.
[22:54] <aliendude5300> sigh... I guess it's intended functionality even if it's stupid :/
[22:55] <sroecker> weird, nautilus tries to open all pictures with gedit
[22:55] <mzz> aliendude5300: I'd keep the other checks and just remove the !Sflg one
[22:56] <mzz> ryanakca: seems to be builtin. Why?
[22:56] <jbuncher> yofel, sroecker, mzz :  Thanks, I'll try the package from yofel's ppa first.  That might be a bit less hassle.
[22:57] <bucky> PMT, you could just disable gdm and log in at the console
[22:57] <ryanakca> mzz: I'm trying to mount an encrypted cd ... I have cryptoloop and aes loaded... but when I pass '-o loop=/dev/loop0' to mount, it says it's going to use 'loop' instead of '/dev/loop0'
[22:57] <sroecker> sure ;)
[22:57] <bucky> ryanakca, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1156789
[22:58] <mzz> ryanakca: what's the actual problem?
[22:58] <ryanakca> bucky: thanks
[22:58] <PMT> bucky: not if I want a graphical login for users, I can't.
[22:59] <mzz> ahh
[22:59] <mzz> different loop module? that strikes me as weird
[22:59] <aliendude5300> I'm going to go to the developer's IRC channel and ask someone to commit that for me.
[22:59] <bucky> PMT, look thru apt-cache search gdm  maybe you can find something
[22:59] <Trizicus> Where can I find the latest release notes on updates for ubuntu?
[23:00] <mark___> Hi all.. i think i just did something silly.  After an update (already on Karmic) my gnome desktop has every icon blank with .desktop at the end (like before you give it permission to run) any idea what i get these files associated back with?
[23:00] <yofel> Trizicus: you mean the list of changes done to the updated packages?
[23:00] <Trizicus> each time i update i want release notes and or top level directory so i can look at that daily lol
[23:00] <PMT> bucky: Find something to do...what? There are no plugins to do this that I see in there, I could run kdm or xdm instead, but that seems silly at best.
[23:01] <ryanakca> mzz: http://pastebin.ca/1599719 is
[23:01] <bucky> PMT, maybe edgy-gdm-themes would revert back to the old behavior
[23:01] <bucky> pmt do you want to piss and moan about this to me or find a solution?
[23:02] <yofel> Trizicus: there is something called apt-listchanges (don't know how it works though) and this ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/karmic-changes
[23:02] <mzz> ryanakca: yeah, I see now. Not sure if loading the loop module from loop-aes-source is supposed to still work.
[23:02] <PMT> bucky: I'd prefer the latter.
[23:02] <sroecker> mark___, can you open any file on the desktop? i think nautilus is broken right now
[23:03] <Trizicus> thanks
[23:03] <sroecker> cant open any file in nautils, not only pictures
[23:05] <jbuncher> sroecker, I didn't have that issue with nautilus right before I rebooted, and I was current as of ~4pm
[23:05] <sroecker> jbuncher, me neither, just updated like an hour before
[23:05] <ryanakca> mzz: I'll try installing it.
[23:06] <jbuncher> sroecker : I guess I haven't booted back into karmic yet, but I don't remember nautilus updates.  I'll check in a bit (downloads are going really slowly today).
[23:07] <mark___> sroecker: I cannot.  Thanks for the confirmation.  i will sit tight and wait for an update.  I installed eclipse and i thought i borked my setup :)
[23:07] <jbuncher> sroecker, Incidentally, googling for ppaquickstart only seems to give links asking for the quick start guide to be updated.
[23:07] <sroecker> lol
[23:07] <mark___> sroecker: it happened after i did a kernel update
[23:08] <sroecker> jbuncher, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA?action=show&redirect=PPAQuickStart
[23:08] <jbuncher> sroecker, thanks
[23:08] <sroecker> mark___, i am looking at /var/log/dpkg.log right now
[23:10] <sroecker> I installed too much today, cant find the culprit
[23:10] <sroecker> ah
[23:11] <sroecker> maybe shared-mime-info
[23:11] <mark___> srroecker: It happened after i did a kernel update
[23:11] <mark___> sroecker: that sounds more likely :)
[23:11] <mark___> sroecker: it only came to light after i rebooted, so i havent restarted on turned machine off in 3 days
[23:13] <jbuncher> sroecker, just installed the shared-mime-info package, rebooting to see if that is the likely culprit
[23:15] <funkyHat> After a recent update very large icons don't seem to be drawn properly in gnome, can anyone confirm this?
[23:15] <funkyHat> i.e. they appear pixelised
[23:16] <sroecker> jbuncher, ha, got him. installed an older version of shared-mime-info and restarted nautilus. everything works
[23:16] <mark___> funkyhat: I don't have icons at all.. i just have blank looking fikes with the .desktop extension showing, like firefox.desktop
[23:16] <jbuncher> sroecker, ok
[23:17] <sroecker> mark___, jbuncher https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shared-mime-info/0.60-2/+build/962714/+files/shared-mime-info_0.60-2_i386.deb
[23:17] <sroecker> this one works
[23:17] <mark___> Thanks!!! very much
[23:18] <mark___> going to restart x :)
[23:20] <jbuncher> sroecker, thanks, I'll just wait for the fix in the repos
[23:20] <mark___> That worked TY
[23:20] <sroecker> jbuncher, If anyone knows abou it
[23:21] <jbuncher> sroecker, I figure they'll know soon enough.  I can just get some actual work done in hardy while I wait :)
[23:21] <sroecker> hehe
[23:22] <jbuncher> yofel, I got the link to the debs (for libstdc++5) in your ppa, but I'm not clear on how to add that to my sources.list (specifically, what the link is).  Can you provide this?
[23:23] <yofel> jbuncher: if you want to just install libstdc++5, klick on the arrow beside 'gcc-3.3' and download the .deb for your architecture. You don't need to add the whole ppa
[23:23] <jbuncher> sroecker, Hilarious.  Even with the broken mime package installed, my mathematica notebooks still open correctly when clicked on in nautilus.
[23:23] <jbuncher> yofel, ok, thanks.
[23:24] <sroecker> jbuncher, that is strange. i filed a bug report for it. bug 444962
[23:25] <jbuncher> sroecker, Indeed, but Wolfram is diabolical and evil, so I just assume they're finding a way to not play by the mime rules.  That, or the standard mime package wouldn't touch the .nb extension for some reason.
[23:26] <sroecker> jbuncher, ah, I see why you need libstdc++5. evil mathematica. I updated to v7.0 which works without that
[23:27] <jbuncher> sroecker, yeah, though I'd like to not pirate the package, or pay wolfram another fee just because they decide to be so dependent on one library.
[23:47] <outbri> I've got a question on tab complete. Did karmic change the way it works? When I try to cd into a directory with multiple names (John\ Doe), and there's another directory with the same first name (John B), tab complete won't complete any more than 'John'. Why?
[23:48] <yofel> outbri: pressing tab twice should give you the different possibilities
[23:49] <outbri> Nope, no matter how many times I press it it still only gives me my first option
[23:52] <outbri> So to give a real world example, I have a 'music' directory, and then 'John Denver', 'John Reuben', and 'John Powell' in there. From my home directory, I type in mu, hit tab and get music. Then I hit J, nothing, again and I get a dozen choices. I type o and get John\. From there I get no more choices.
[23:52] <villewitt> I just made a simple test outbri - and I agree...
[23:53] <villewitt> it looks like a bug
[23:53] <Twigathy> iirc, that was supposedly fixed a while back...
[23:53] <Twigathy> but apparently not, because I just checked and mine misbehaves in the same way
[23:54] <yofel> hm... maybe I just have some option in my bashrc that fixes that? (I have a lot in there...)
[23:54] <Twigathy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/419509
[23:56]  * villewitt is thinks that ubottu gives very useful information...
[23:57]  * yofel agrees with villewitt
[23:57] <jetrii> I just upgraded to 9.10. Whenever I log on, gnome opens endless nautilus windows in the taskbar. I don't actually see the window, their taskbars just get smaller and smaller as more open. Has anyone experienced this?
[23:57] <outbri> So the fix was released yesterday? Maybe I need to make sure I've got all the updates..
[23:59] <villewitt> nice - monochrome icon for bluetooth... almost there now...
[23:59] <commander_> can i upgrade from 8.04?