| DBO | MDC1, you here? | 03:20 |
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| mac_v | ara: regarding... Bug #444548 , i dont understand. there are only 4 icons for volume. high , medium , low and mute , you can see the different icons in the usr/share/Humanity/status/24/ , the volume mute is very different from volume low. if there is some other problem it must be a bug in the volume applet | 12:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 444548 in humanity-icon-theme "Not having a muted icon for the volume applet causes confusion" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444548 | 12:41 |
| mac_v | i'm not sure the bug is in humanity but rather think its a bug in the volume applet | 12:43 |
| mdc_work | mac_v, seems to be working for me :) | 12:43 |
| mac_v | works for me too... but confused why the bug is filed in humanity | 12:44 |
| ara | mac_v, way to do reproduce it, turn the volume down completely, shows the muted icon, right click, unmute, and it is the same icon, but different stats | 13:52 |
| ara | s/stats/states | 13:53 |
| mac_v | ara: hmm... ok. so how do we fix this? new icon for the volume 0? i dont like how it was previously in human , [using volume low for volume 0] | 13:54 |
| mac_v | ara: could you check the last comment i wrote | 13:54 |
| * ara checks | 13:54 | |
| ara | mac_v, I commented the bug | 13:57 |
| ara | "I think the zero volume icon should be the same as low, but without the darken of the last trunk. That will make the difference between the two." | 13:57 |
| mac_v | ara: yeah , i was thinking the same too | 13:58 |
| mdc_work | DBO, now i am (but at work) | 14:30 |
| DBO | ah I was wondering if you know where in the nautilus codebase the icons on the sidebar for mounted volumes are created | 14:30 |
| DBO | mmm just asking makes me find it | 14:31 |
| DBO | nevermind | 14:31 |
| mdc_work | hehe :) | 14:33 |
| DBO | hiiiiiiiiiiii MacSlow | 14:45 |
| MacSlow | DBO, hey Jason | 14:46 |
| MacSlow | DBO, just debugging the nasty dbus issue in notify-osd | 14:46 |
| MacSlow | DBO, thanks for the forkbomb-script... Neil gave it to me this morning | 14:46 |
| DBO | it was fun to write | 14:46 |
| DBO | I'll have you know I ran it first :P | 14:47 |
| MacSlow | :) | 14:47 |
| DBO | I was thinking about how to solve this issue however | 14:47 |
| DBO | it really does come down to simply not giving dbus back what it wants in a timely manner, right? | 14:47 |
| DBO | so lets just dispatch all whatever work that was going to get done into an glib idle handler, and return to dbus what it wants pretty much right away | 14:48 |
| DBO | this should prevent notify OSD from ever ever ever being slow with the response | 14:48 |
| DBO | also, neil is smelly | 14:48 |
| DBO | Neil, what do you think of dispatching all the work notify-osd is going to do on incoming dbus calls into a glib idle handlers, and then freeing ourselves up to reply to dbus immediately? | 14:49 |
| DBO | mmm I think I have been too obtuse | 14:51 |
| MacSlow | DBO, Neil is busy atm talking with Jay and David | 14:52 |
| DBO | so MacSlow, what do you think of dispatching the handling of incoming calls | 14:53 |
| MacSlow | DBO, it makes sense | 14:54 |
| MacSlow | I cannot see what possible side-effects that might have | 14:54 |
| DBO | well there is one easy way to find out | 14:54 |
| MacSlow | doing it of course :I | 14:55 |
| MacSlow | :) | 14:55 |
| DBO | but the quickest one I can think of is that hammering notify osd with that script will result in starving out all notifications (most likely) | 14:55 |
| MacSlow | just looking at stack.c:564 | 14:55 |
| DBO | it be nice if that method were shorter | 14:55 |
| DBO | just moe all the non-dbus stuff into another method | 14:55 |
| MacSlow | I'm on it | 14:56 |
| DBO | also | 14:56 |
| DBO | there is a condition where you return true AND set error | 14:56 |
| DBO | this is incorrect | 14:56 |
| DBO | that should return false I believe | 14:57 |
| MacSlow | some people more familiar with DBus advised me to do that | 14:57 |
| MacSlow | the reason behind that I cannot recall atm | 14:57 |
| DBO | really? | 14:57 |
| DBO | okay, I will trust, the spec sheet says not to though *makes note* | 14:58 |
| DBO | probably should add a comment in there to that effect | 14:58 |
| MacSlow | DBO, it has to always return true | 14:58 |
| MacSlow | just asked ted | 14:58 |
| DBO | why does the dbus specification say to return false if you set an error? | 14:58 |
| DBO | ted isn't here is he? | 14:58 |
| MacSlow | tedg, he is | 14:59 |
| * DBO pokes tedg | 14:59 | |
| tedg | Heh, it should probably return FALSE, but I thought there was a bug. | 15:00 |
| tedg | I mean, it'd be better to return false, but I doubt that's the issue. | 15:00 |
| DBO | ok | 15:01 |
| DBO | i suspect somewhere we have a poorly performing or IO bound thing happening between dbus call received and dbus call returned | 15:02 |
| DBO | and this is causing the hangups | 15:02 |
| DBO | DanRabbit, | 15:09 |
| DanRabbit | hey! | 15:09 |
| DBO | you desire to pull latest Docky 2.0, it contains a mounted volumes plugin | 15:09 |
| DanRabbit | I've been having trouble compiling | 15:10 |
| DanRabbit | unresolved dependencies | 15:10 |
| DBO | well give me the error | 15:10 |
| DanRabbit | I'm just missing some packages | 15:10 |
| DanRabbit | I have to not be lazy and go hunt them down | 15:10 |
| DanRabbit | but, check these out: http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Docky2/Docky_alt2.svg and http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Docky2/Docky.svg | 15:11 |
| DanRabbit | And PsyberS liked this one, http://www.elementary-project.com/abuse/Docky2/Docky_alt.svg | 15:11 |
| DanRabbit | DBO: hey, I'm totally late for school | 15:14 |
| DanRabbit | so, I'll catch you later ;) | 15:14 |
| DBO | looking | 15:14 |
| DBO | later | 15:14 |
| DBO | oh man those are awesome | 15:15 |
| DanRabbit | let me know if you like any of those and then I can do all sizes | 15:15 |
| DBO | I love the white anchor | 15:15 |
| DanRabbit | DBO: btw, I'm starting on monochrome panel icons in elementary | 15:15 |
| * DBO gets ready to switch back | 15:16 | |
| DanRabbit | you should pull bzr, I've got the wireless | 15:16 |
| DBO | awesome | 15:16 |
| DanRabbit | next is volume :D | 15:17 |
| DanRabbit | okay really g2g | 15:17 |
| DanRabbit | bye :D | 15:17 |
| DBO | awesome | 15:17 |
| DBO | love you babe | 15:17 |
| DBO | DanRabbit, go to school | 15:24 |
| djsiegel | mac_v DanRabbit lool, did Humanity get the U1 icons? | 15:34 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: yup | 15:37 |
| DBO | djsiegel, did you see the new Docky icon mockup? | 15:41 |
| djsiegel | DBO, no, can I see later? Pretty busy now. | 15:41 |
| DBO | roger | 15:42 |
| lool | djsiegel: You dont run karmic? | 16:06 |
| mac_v | lool: djsiegel at times doesnt even run Ubuntu ;p | 16:50 |
| === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch | ||
| lool | mac_v: haha | 17:02 |
| lool | mac_v: I'll be away in the next days; do you have upload contacts for humanity-icon-theme while I'm abroad? | 17:03 |
| lool | mac_v: I'd recommend chatting with pitti if you need to get any update; he's desktop team tech lead and release manager and aware of the humanity status | 17:03 |
| djsiegel | lool mac_v, that is so unfair | 17:03 |
| lool | mac_v: If you like we can do a status summary when I come back (Monday) | 17:03 |
| djsiegel | I have been an ubuntu user since it came out, and was running Karmic until last night when dist-upgrade made X crash on every login, returning me to GDM! | 17:04 |
| djsiegel | so there! | 17:04 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: ;p | 17:04 |
| djsiegel | But, yes, I am on snow leopard until I sort out Karmic... | 17:04 |
| mac_v | lool: i think we can do the next update on monday , or if needed i can as pitti , but do mention it to him also | 17:04 |
| djsiegel | But don't you want your designers exposed to other OSes? | 17:04 |
| djsiegel | ;) | 17:04 |
| * mac_v hates djsiegel getting ideas from OSX :/ | 17:05 | |
| djsiegel | mac_v: I hope that means you're not a GNOME Do user :) | 17:05 |
| djsiegel | anyway, ideas don't materialize out of nothing unfortunately | 17:06 |
| mac_v | ;) | 17:06 |
| djsiegel | it's incredibly frustrating when people want you to design something, but somehow not be influenced by past work | 17:06 |
| djsiegel | it's the exact opposite expectation of open source, where you are free and encouraged to build on past work of others | 17:06 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: lol , calm down :) | 17:07 |
| * mac_v was just kidding | 17:07 | |
| djsiegel | I am calm :) | 17:08 |
| === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno | ||
| DBO | chaotic, when you got a chance can I borrow you for some quick feedback? | 17:53 |
| jcastro | tedg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 18:27 |
| jcastro | you cannot escape me ted gould | 18:27 |
| mrooney|w | oh yeah, I was trying to figure out something to give a talk on last night! | 18:28 |
| mrooney|w | but most things I could think of seem more appropriate for a developer week | 18:29 |
| jcastro | heh | 18:29 |
| mrooney|w | open week is specifically aimed at non-developers right? | 18:30 |
| jcastro | yeah | 18:31 |
| jcastro | but you can have a bit of stuff in there | 18:31 |
| tedg | jcastro: I can't, but the wireless in Montreal can! | 18:31 |
| DBO | tedg, its all the moose, they chew on the wifi signals | 18:32 |
| tedg | DBO: It's the Tim Horton doughnuts, they make to me too slow to catch the packets! | 18:32 |
| DBO | also, moose antlers, when in high enough concentration act like a Faraday cage | 18:32 |
| mrooney|w | hm, there isn't anyone talking about getting started with bug triaging...I wonder if that would be useful | 18:35 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: ping | 18:39 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: You should be working on a non-trunk branch of humanity moving forward, not with an Incoming folder in the trunk branch :) | 18:40 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: bah... i think we wont be doing anymore icons.. it was just created more for jonian.. he kept adding too many icons :) he is a machine | 18:47 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: ah, ok | 18:47 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: please just use branches | 18:48 |
| DBO | how many people are working on icons? | 18:48 |
| mac_v | 3 | 18:48 |
| DBO | erm | 18:48 |
| DBO | humanity | 18:48 |
| djsiegel | we should be working off of a karmic branch of humanity and only do changes based on UIF approved bugs | 18:48 |
| djsiegel | since we're working off of trunk, more work is going on that isn't being carefully reviewed, and it becomes hard to figure out which revisions are blessed | 18:48 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: dont worry , i dont expect any more icons ;) they are almost all done more than what human theme ever had and nearly equal to gnome | 18:49 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: awesome work | 18:50 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the funny thing was we just zoomed since you said Ubuntu was using humanity and did nearly 160 revs.. that really made lool dizzy ;p | 18:51 |
| mac_v | most of the revs were minor color edits .. some icons got 4-5 edits untill all 3 of us agreed upon using it ;) | 18:52 |
| === djsiegel_ is now known as djsiegel | ||
| jcastro | djsiegel: want to do an openweek topic? | 20:03 |
| djsiegel | jcastro: sure | 20:03 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 20:03 |
| jcastro | pick a slot and roll with it! | 20:03 |
| jcastro | tedg: see how cooperative djsiegel is? He embraces working with the community | 20:03 |
| tedg | jcastro: I'm not into your and djsiegel's man-love fest ;) | 20:04 |
| djsiegel | albeit begrudgingly | 20:04 |
| jcastro | someday I'll get you gould! *shakes fist* | 20:05 |
| djsiegel | mac_v DanRabbit1, I have to agree that the antenna symbol in the nm-applet should go away... :) | 21:17 |
| djsiegel | not now, of course | 21:18 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: why so? | 21:18 |
| djsiegel | because it's not a meaningful symbol to most people | 21:19 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the fedora guys have had a look at the icons and they have been saying its the way to go | 21:19 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the same icon is used in cell phones too ;) | 21:19 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: Please don't say "the fedora guys said" when we are talking about Ubuntu's default icons | 21:19 |
| djsiegel | :) | 21:19 |
| djsiegel | each indicator should be a basic shape with some detail | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | a cohesive whole | 21:20 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: well , i didnt actually talk to the fedora guys , but the asac was telling me this ;) | 21:20 |
| mac_v | but asac* | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | this little symbol off to the side feels like a piece has broken off | 21:20 |
| djsiegel | if we needed that symbol for some reason, I would put it in the middle of the signal bars, over them | 21:21 |
| djsiegel | (as-is, that would not work, but you get the idea) | 21:21 |
| Laney | how can I start notify-osd in debug mode? | 21:21 |
| Laney | nm | 21:46 |
| DBO | DanRabbit1, you here? | 21:55 |
| lamalex | djsiegel: what are the nicks of your collegues who can give me some design review help? Do they come in here ever? | 22:31 |
| djsiegel | lamalex: chaotic, ivanka, mpt, mt, kwwii, djsiegel | 22:33 |
| lamalex | djsiegel: thanks :) | 22:33 |
| djsiegel | lamalex: np | 22:33 |
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