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nixternalcool, arora got a nice little mention on lifehacker, and the comments all seem good too00:14
neversfeldeand bug #444986, too. the fix also adds MP4 support. The bug, which caused the problem with building it is fixed.00:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 444986 in kid3 "the "Open File" dialog of kid3-qt on Ubuntu 9.10 does not work correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44498600:15
yuriy*sigh* just bolting on a kmainwindow doesn't do any good. but i did confirm that using just a kmainwindow works00:24
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lex79JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 41946501:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419465 in plasma-widget-fancytasks "New upstream release plasma-widget-fancytasks 0.9.8" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41946501:44
lex79it seems acked01:44
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* JontheEchidna just wrote his first flatfile config parser02:42
JontheEchidnait was about as much of a pain as I'd thought it would be02:43
JontheEchidnalex79: I'll probably look at it tomorrow (in my time zone)02:46
lex79perfect thanks02:47
* JontheEchidna is consumed with writing a upgrade hook parser02:47
lex79ehehe I'm consumed with libqt4 upgrade :P02:51
lex79uhm kdeutils and kdeplasma-addons is still 4.3.1 in backport :(02:53
lex79oh and ftbs in staging, perfect02:53
ryanakcaRiddell: Please let ^nookie know that his countdown banner is up if you see him03:25
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JontheEchidnaupgrade hooks are broken in update-notifier-kde04:41
rgreeningouch04:44
JontheEchidnapoor McUser won't know to restart firefox now :(04:45
JontheEchidnacome to think of it, I haven't seen any hook notifications since 8.1004:45
rgreeningme neither04:46
JontheEchidnaThe logic for parsing them makes my head spin04:46
* JontheEchidna wrote new logic for his u-n-k replacement04:46
rgreeningyay04:48
JontheEchidnathat's the discussion you came in on in kde-devel, me stumbling on the last mistake for parsing (that I know of)04:49
JontheEchidnaI forgot to put brackets around my else if and else statements, lol04:49
JontheEchidnaTomorrow Imma implement the GUI for showing hooks in my replacement. But it would still be nice if hooks could be fixed for 9.1004:51
JontheEchidnabut for now, sleep. nn04:54
rgreeningnn04:56
ScottKAnyone fixing kdepim?04:59
nixternalhrmm, bpython is destroyed in the repos, new debian version + changes to python version == FTW!05:08
rgreeningouch05:16
nixternalfixing it now though05:16
nixternalmy question is this, should I just edit the version in the repos to fix it, should i grab the newer release from debian and fix that, or should I grab the latest release from upstream and use that?05:17
nixternalnew upstream release it is05:20
Mamarokquestion: is the fglrx driver in Karmic addressing the issue some people had with cards not being supported?08:30
LureRiddell: digikam FFe submitted as bug 445232, test packages in my PPA08:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445232 in digikam "FFe for digikam 1.0.0-beta5 (merge with debian)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44523208:56
LureRiddell: will subscribe ubuntu-release when done with some testing08:56
Lureand other testers appreciated08:56
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neversfeldemhh, no entries in kickoff menu anymore, I guess that is not normal :)10:05
RiddellNCommander: so what's the problem with  the new sip in ubuntu?10:23
Riddellhmm, not terribly flattering http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#538474098851377577810:26
Riddellooh that's a bit better http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#538474189599960973010:27
RiddellJontheEchidna: you had this issue? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20971410:31
ubottuKDE bug 209714 in general "crash opening systemsettings/language region" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate]10:31
Riddell#kde-devel suggests dfaure forgot a backport10:31
Riddellbwa ha ha http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#538925707456779902610:42
Riddellsurf and snooze http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#538925737899526955410:43
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neversfeldeRiddell: could you have a look at bug 44446611:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 444466 in id3lib3.8.3 "libid3 crashes (stack smashing) when reading VBR MP3 file" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44446611:13
neversfeldeit would fix kid311:13
Tonio_anyone working on kdepim ? it currently ftbfs... I'm going to fix, but I'd like to be sure no one is doing this right now11:17
RiddellTonio_: go ahead11:17
Tonio_Riddell: kk11:17
katodahi, where can I get any info about Your custom app, that converts GTK notifications into KDE4 notifications?11:21
Riddellkatoda: freedesktop.org has the visual notification spec11:27
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Riddellneversfelde: onto it11:30
markeyis it safe to upgrade currently on karmic?12:07
markeyasking because on Mamarok's box KDE looks very very strange now12:07
RiddellI don't think there's any killer bugs  as long as you  don't  want  to log out12:08
Tonio_Riddell: just for my personal knowledge.. what is the status of kubuntu+bootsplash ?12:10
Tonio_Riddell: still nothing here, I assume that's normal12:10
Riddellthere's a very brief splash after X and before KDM starts12:10
markeyRiddell: Mamarok says I should tell you that her system is completely bricked12:10
* markey shrugs12:10
Riddellthat's all that is intended to  be there12:10
Riddellmarkey: wibble, what did she do?12:11
markeyher panel is now at the top12:11
Tonio_Riddell: using wplash of ksplash ?12:11
markeyand nothing really works12:11
RiddellTonio_: ksplashx12:11
markeyRiddell: giving the keyboard to Mamarok12:11
markeyhi12:11
Tonio_Riddell: maybe my computer is just booting too fast and I don't see it then... benefits of ssd :)12:11
markeyI installed beta, fresh install, ext4 etc12:11
Tonio_I must say I boot in less that 5 secs... that might be the reason12:12
markeythen I updated KDE to 4.3.2, had a plasma crash and had to do everything in a terminal12:12
markeyimpossible to restart plasma then, did an rsync of my saved home, removed the old .kde again and restarted12:12
markeynow I am in a KDE with two activities, Newspaper + Applications12:13
markeyno way to get a panel at the bottom, a tiny panel on top with everything sliding all the time12:14
Riddellmarkey: that means you have plasma-netbook  installed, is that what you wanted?12:14
markeynot at all12:14
markeyI downloaded the regular Kubuntu CD for amd6412:14
Riddellmarkey: killall plasma-netbook; apt-get remove plasma-netbook kubuntu-netbook-default-settings kubuntu-netbook; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop12:15
markeysince I installed stuff with the aptitude ncurses interface, I might well have installed stuff by accident though12:15
markeyRiddell: thx, will try that12:15
markeyok, it's markey back12:21
markeycan we get a new version of ShowChock into Karmic?12:21
markeyChoqok*12:21
markey0.6.6 is a bit buggy12:21
Riddelllooks like debian are up to 0.9.112:23
Riddellmarkey: any idea if that version is less buggy?12:23
markeyRiddell: I would assume so12:36
markeyit's newer, after all12:36
markeyhaven't tried it though12:36
markeythe author is quite good12:36
markeyI tend to trust him12:36
Nightrosewait a sec12:36
markeytime's up!12:37
Nightroseyou don't want 0.9.112:37
Nightroseit's an alpha and missing a lot of things current stable has12:38
Nightrosecheck the latest news on their websote12:38
Nightrosego with 0.6.612:38
Riddell"If you want to try new changes and don’t need leaked features, an upgrade may be funny, otherwise, I recommend you to stay with previous stable release (0.6.6) and wait for a later version…"12:39
markeyoh ok12:39
Tonio_Riddell: kdepim fixed, uploading13:02
RiddellTonio_: rock13:18
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JontheEchidnaRiddell: that's the one13:26
jussi01scissors? oh, not playing that... :P13:28
JontheEchidnaRiddell: seen bug 414572?13:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414572 in kdeplasma-addons "KDE Microblogs plasmoid does not show friend timelines nor public timeline" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41457213:30
JontheEchidnado we use the kubuntu twitter feed enough to justify maintaining that patch?13:30
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RiddellJontheEchidna: that's on  my  todo for the week13:44
JontheEchidnagreat13:44
JontheEchidnaI'm backporting the systemsettings crash13:44
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* ScottK currently has no X on his laptop, so figuring that out is job #1.13:51
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JontheEchidnaRiddell: could I get a sponsor of kde4libs from bzr?14:13
RiddellJontheEchidna: what's new?14:17
JontheEchidnaRiddell: dfaure's patch for the systemsettings klocale crash14:17
JontheEchidnathere's already a ton of dupes14:17
RiddellJontheEchidna: worth uploading to jaunty kubuntu backports too?14:18
JontheEchidnayes, a mail was sent out to kde-packagers (which I haven't received, funnily)14:19
ScottKHow do I disable ksplashx?14:20
Riddellrm /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup14:21
Riddellfor the kdm bit14:21
RiddellScottK: why would  you want to?14:21
ScottKRiddell: Because my laptop won't get a running X at the moment with KDM, but boot to recovery mode and then startx works.14:22
ScottKSo I'm trying to narrow things down.14:22
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ScottKOK, well it fixed itself, so nevermind for now.14:29
mvohello, can someone help me with bug #444661, i.e. what do I have to depend on to make policykit-1 integration work with qt?14:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 444661 in software-center "Software-center run as normal user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44466114:31
Riddellmvo: there  is no policykit-1 for kde yet, so it needs whatever gnome uses14:34
ScottKmvo: kpackagekit uses policykit, so that might give a clue14:34
JontheEchidnaI think fedora has done some work on it14:34
JontheEchidna(a frontend for policykit-1 for KDE14:34
JontheEchidna)14:34
RiddellJontheEchidna: it's  not complete14:34
JontheEchidnano need to duplicate work14:34
RiddellScottK: kpackagekit uses policykit 0.914:34
mvothanks!14:34
ScottKAh, right.14:35
mvothat is helpful, now I just need to figure out why the gtk stuff is not working under kde :)14:35
davmor2ScottK: Good news we might be one step closer to a working wubi install \o/14:35
ScottKNice.14:35
JontheEchidnaerf, forgot to push a typo fix to bzr14:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: uh oh, I already uploaded, karmic  and jaunty14:42
JontheEchidnaI'll testbuild once more to make sure everything's good14:45
RiddellJontheEchidna: foo, failed to build14:50
JontheEchidnayeah, that typo'd cause a build failure14:51
* JontheEchidna uploads a testbuild to ninjas since private PPAs have the best build scores14:51
freinhardcan one donate a build server? got a dual p3-866 here doing nothing14:52
jussi01Nightrose: ping15:01
Nightrosejussi01: pong15:01
jussi01Nightrose: have you looked at google wave recently? do you still have all your waves?15:02
jussi01mine have all disappeared somewhere...15:02
Nightrosejussi01: looks ok here15:04
jussi01:/15:04
Nightrosebut they migh have some problems after letting in a lot more people15:04
jussi01yeah maybe. Ive got nothing. not even the welcome one15:04
Nightrosestrange15:04
ScottKIs it known/common that the networking icon doesn't change when connecting via wired ethernet?15:08
RiddellScottK: yes15:10
RiddellI assume it's just lack of artwork (just an assumption though)15:11
ScottKOK.  Thanks.15:11
* ScottK almost never uses wired, but did today for the first time in Karmic.15:11
ScottKRiddell: We had an icon for it before and the icon is from Oxygen.15:11
ScottKQuassel uses the same icon for networking stuff, so I know it's there.15:11
yuriyI think wstephenson said the icons were temporary, but it would be nice to have a wired connected icon there, that's really confusing15:13
ScottKAt least we could use the same one we used in Jaunty.15:15
heliocastroagateau: ping15:18
agateauheliocastro: pong15:18
heliocastroagateau: Hi. We have a request for opencv 2.0 in our distro. DO you think kipi is safe with that ?15:18
rgreeningagateau: any luck looking into why indicator does not see kmail as a running application eventhough it is configured to use indicator?15:18
agateauheliocastro: I know nothing about opencv :/ better ask Gilles Caullier about that15:20
agateaurgreening: I am updating right now to check it15:20
heliocastroagateau: Thanks. I go for Gilles. Btw congrats for you new baby15:20
agateauheliocastro: hehe thanks :)15:21
rgreeningoocalc hangs for long periods of time in file dialog... anyone else seeing this?15:29
rgreeningagateau: ty15:29
yuriyrgreening: sounds familiar. shtylman ^15:31
rgreeningcould be related to... bugs 424132?15:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 424132 in openoffice.org "[kubuntu] OOo KDE file dialog is utterly broken." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42413215:32
rgreeningthough I am not crashing.. just takes a long time to respond when changing folders, clicking the name, etc...15:33
agateaurgreening: ScottK: Riddell: I think I found the problem with indicators,15:46
agateauI somehow forgot to upload latest plasmoid source15:46
ScottKagateau: Great.  What's the fix?15:46
ScottKAh.15:46
* agateau blushes15:46
agateauPackage version 0.4.1 of the plasmoid15:46
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rgreeningat least theres a quick fix. lets get it uploaded :)15:49
rgreeningty agateau15:49
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ok, current kde4libs bzr should build16:04
Riddellagateau: ok I'll do  that16:14
RiddellJontheEchidna: that too16:14
ScottKIt'd be easier to figure out where to change the icon name if things in the KNM code had more descriptive names than case 0, case 1, case 2 (or maybe some comments).16:24
Mamarok*sniff" where's my PySol?16:25
Riddellyay, Mamarok is alive!16:26
MamarokRiddell: oh, I never died, what gave you that idea?16:26
JontheEchidnaScottK: is bug 419465 acked? lex was looking for a sponsor but I want to make sure16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419465 in plasma-widget-fancytasks "New upstream release plasma-widget-fancytasks 0.9.8" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41946516:26
MamarokRiddell: btw, I found out what I did wrong: installed all things plasma-*16:26
ScottKJontheEchidna: If it's just me, it needs a 2nd ack.16:27
ScottKMamarok: So you were running plasma-netbook?16:27
Mamarokbut my PySol solitaire game is not in the repos anymore :(16:27
JontheEchidnaScottK: I think stephen patroya gave an ack too16:27
ScottKJontheEchidna: In that case it's fine16:27
JontheEchidnaoh, he deferred to vorian16:27
MamarokScottK: yep, it was almost funny, besides that I didn't even have a terminal option, Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't show anything16:28
ScottKThen it needs a 2nd ack.16:28
JontheEchidnalex79: ^16:28
yuriyScottK: ouch. where are the enums16:39
yuriyTrolltech's API guidelines make a big deal of using enums16:39
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I might have a fix for the drag/drop icon :)16:44
Tonio_JontheEchidna: there was a patch in qt3 that misses in qt4, and most of the code base is the same, so I just ported it.... let's see16:44
JontheEchidnaTonio_: wow, you'll be a hero if it works16:45
Tonio_JontheEchidna: http://svn.uludag.org.tr/viewcvs/devel/desktop/kde/qt/files/0068-xcursors-cache-fix.patch?revision=5148&root=pardus&sortby=author&view=markup&pathrev=521716:45
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I'm talking about this patch16:45
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I've been tracking this thing for a complete year now16:45
Tonio_JontheEchidna: checking at pardus code sometimes helps :) I found that one by chance :)16:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: we had the patch merged directly with qt3 sources, that's why I couldn't see the patch in the package16:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: technically I see no reason it doesn't work... we'll see :)16:46
JontheEchidna:)16:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: you can't imagin how many days I've been spending on that one without telling anyone :)16:48
Tonio_JontheEchidna: it's probably the issues I spent the most time in my all life, even including my professional work...16:48
Tonio_JontheEchidna: beleive me, if I fix this, getting drunk with a champagne bottle :)16:49
JontheEchidnaI'll celebrate too. I did do a bit of debugging work with ruphy for that one. But not nearly a years worth :P16:49
Tonio_JontheEchidna: just do you know if there is a launchpad bug for this one ? I can't find it16:50
Tonio_I know there is a kde one, and have the ID16:50
JontheEchidnayeah, just a sec16:50
Tonio_kk thx16:50
Tonio_JontheEchidna: you can't imagin my reaction when I saw the patch on pardus/qt3 branch by change....16:50
JontheEchidnahmm, maybe there wasn't one16:50
Tonio_it was like "OHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD"16:51
JontheEchidnaah, I'm looking in the wrong kdebase16:51
Tonio_JontheEchidna: yeah maybe16:51
JontheEchidnacursors are in -workspace16:51
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I searched but couldn't find16:51
Tonio_JontheEchidna: people would probably report to dolphin anyway, not workspace16:52
JontheEchidnaTonio_: bug 28011316:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280113 in kdebase "Ugly mouse cursor when dragging and dropping plasma widget to desktop" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28011316:52
Tonio_it's in dolphin the most visible16:52
JontheEchidnaplasma is probably the second most visible^16:52
JontheEchidnasince it's clicky-draggy16:52
Tonio_JontheEchidna: you are the Malone Lord16:52
Tonio_definately impressive in malone usage...16:53
JontheEchidnaI control the very ether of the malone database, calling bugs to my name16:53
JontheEchidnabugs fear my name and flock to my call16:53
* JontheEchidna feels like a Greek god16:54
Tonio_JontheEchidna: haha16:55
JontheEchidnaFew still utter the archaic label "malone", but even those who don't know my name :P16:56
* JontheEchidna stops before it goes to his head16:56
Tonio_JontheEchidna: uploading to my ppa, if you wanna test the fix too :)16:59
Tonio_JontheEchidna: will you be at next UDS ?16:59
JontheEchidnaTonio_: I won't be able to attend due to school17:00
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I personnaly won't, my sponsoring request was rejected17:00
JontheEchidna:(17:00
ScottKTonio_: He's got misplace priorities.17:00
Tonio_JontheEchidna: which is fair, a little roration is always good17:00
* JontheEchidna nods17:00
yuriyTonio_: oh you too? :(17:00
Tonio_ScottK: any idea who has been sponsored appart from you ?17:00
Tonio_yuriy: yeah17:00
ScottKTonio_: I recall rgreening mentioning he was sponsored.17:01
Tonio_yuriy: well I haven't been as active during this cycle than in the past, for personal reasons17:01
Tonio_yuriy: so less contribution added to the fact I've been sponsored more than most people in the past explain I won't be there :)17:01
Tonio_ScottK: kk, only 3 people isn't a lot :) I hope there are more sponsored kubuntu devs17:02
ScottKTonio_: I suspect there are, I just don't know who.17:02
Tonio_ScottK: if that also means there are more kde devs invited, that's good :)17:03
ScottKI didn't here about that yet.17:03
ScottKI hope so also17:03
Tonio_Riddell: is it acceptable to ask you who will be there this time ?17:03
Tonio_Riddell: or is that confidential ?17:04
Tonio_ScottK: I might be able to attend to some sessiosn remotelly eventually17:04
RiddellTonio_: you may17:04
Tonio_Riddell: so ? ^_^17:04
Tonio_Riddell: hum, more correct would be "can you respond if I ask ?" :)17:05
RiddellScottK, rgreening17:05
Riddellnhandler, shtylman, txwikinger_work17:05
Riddellme and agateau17:06
Tonio_great :)17:06
Tonio_I don't know much about txwikinger :) nice for you too nhandler :)17:08
LureRiddell: I have tested digikam and it looks all fine to me - I think bug 445232 is ready for ubuntu-release approval17:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445232 in digikam "FFe for digikam 1.0.0-beta5 (merge with debian)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44523217:08
Riddellanyone else want to test digikam?17:08
rgreeningme17:10
Riddellrgreening: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/ppa/+files/digikam_1.0.0~beta5-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure1_i386.deb17:10
rgreeningpoint me to it17:10
rgreeningty17:10
rgreeningdl now17:10
rgreeninghey Tonio_ :) long time no speak...17:10
Tonio_rgreening: yup yup :)17:11
Tonio_rgreening: lot of work, and tracking my bug #117:11
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)17:11
rgreeningTonio_: I guess filesharing never happened :)  I have asked to retarget for Lucid..17:11
rgreening;)17:11
Tonio_rgreening: it will for lucid, that's my priority, but I had to do with less time this time17:11
Tonio_rgreening: new job, travelling and so on...17:11
rgreeningless than 6 months :)17:11
rgreeninghee-hee17:12
* rgreening will miss Tonio_ this UDS17:12
rgreeningand his stories...17:12
Tonio_rgreening: hopefully in 6 month, unless this time I'm sponsored and not you :)17:12
Lurewho is coming to UDS from Kubuntu?17:12
rgreeningwho knows....17:13
rgreeningTonio_: ^17:13
* rgreening has big plans this cycle too... 17:13
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I saw that bug for ksnapshot,I don't have a mac anymore17:14
Tonio_JontheEchidna: so I have a print key and can test :)17:14
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* rgreening wishes we had kdernel 2.6.32, intel drv 2.9.0, mesa 7.6, drm 2.4.14... and then I could run the unigine demo... :(17:16
Riddellman digikam has an ugly first use wizard17:17
Riddellrgreening: digikam behaving  itself?17:24
rgreeningRiddell: got a amd one...17:24
rgreeningsame location? I guess17:24
Riddellyes17:24
rgreeningk..17:24
rgreeninggot to get that one.17:25
* txwikinger_work wonders if he gets kubuntu CDs in time for Ontario Linuxfest17:27
neversfeldebug 44498617:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 444986 in kid3 "the "Open File" dialog of kid3-qt on Ubuntu 9.10 does not work correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44498617:35
neversfeldethe fix also adds mp4 support to kid3 again, the bug is fixed17:35
neversfeldeso if someone would have a look at it?17:35
rgreeningRiddell: digikam seems fine17:38
rgreeningRiddell: I tried a bunch of stuff. seems stable to me17:43
Riddellrgreening: thanks17:46
freinhardomg..cups..who did this? its white, nice. it's unusable! so many clicks...17:48
Nightrosejussi01: hmmm now the wave is broken here too :/17:49
Tonio_JontheEchidna: about that ksnapshot issue...17:49
Tonio_JontheEchidna: 361116 isn't a dupe of 365379 (which is fixed in 4.3) bug a dupe of 364641.17:50
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I just tested and it works on a new kde session17:50
rgreeningRiddell: np17:50
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but won't for old profiles... there is no easy way to fix this as rules are numbers, which is a problem to fix in kds17:50
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I suggest to mark 365379 as fixed, and make 361116 dupe of 36464117:51
Tonio_JontheEchidna: is that fine with you ?17:51
JontheEchidnaok17:51
JontheEchidnalet me look at all the bugs and take this in17:51
Tonio_JontheEchidna: kk17:52
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I don't know how to "deduplicate" in fact, can you tell me ?17:52
JontheEchidnaTonio_: apparently it doesn't work in konqueror, but you open up the duplicate box, clear the field and press enter17:52
Tonio_kk17:53
Riddellneversfelde: looking17:53
JontheEchidnaso17:53
JontheEchidnabug 365379 currently shows up as a dupe of bug 36111617:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 365379 in ubuntu "[Jaunty] PrtScrn not binding to Ksnapshot on LiveCD Session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36537917:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 361116 in kubuntu-default-settings "ksnapshot doesn't work by pressing the "print"-key" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36111617:54
JontheEchidnawhich should be a duplicate of 364641?17:54
JontheEchidnaTonio_: ^17:54
JontheEchidna364641 is fixed in 4.3.2 I believe17:55
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I'm doing it, gimme a second17:55
JontheEchidnaah, ok. I'm a bit confused17:55
* JontheEchidna is currently dealing with nested QMaps17:55
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I don't know about 36464117:55
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but I'm marking 365379 as fixed with 4.317:56
JontheEchidnait should be fixed in 4.3.2, but pre-4.3.2-generated config will still show the problem17:56
natschilHello. I would like to suggest that the following patch/workaround http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1755/ be put into  the ubuntu packages, as not doing so would break the user experience for some of those of use who use compiz and kde together from 4.2 to 4.317:56
JontheEchidna(for 364641)17:56
Riddellneversfelde: uploaded17:57
natschilIt allows for stuff like this to happen: http://i.linux-bg.org/g/b-411447596gal.pl.png, which in my opinion is *very* useful...17:58
Tonio_JontheEchidna: yeah, that's a pain, since the keys have a number and ID, there is no real way to override the user's khotkeysrc17:58
JontheEchidnaTonio_: so, mark as fixed in 4.3.2 and say there's not much we can do for overriding current settings?17:58
JontheEchidnaI suppose baleeting the user's khotkeysrc would not be nice17:59
ScottKnatschil: Given the negative reaction from upstream, I think we probably don't.18:00
rgreeningryanakca: do you have hte new pages ready for testing somewhere? And did we ever get the theme, etc uploaded?18:00
* rgreening cant remember18:00
JontheEchidnaplus it's only a week before final freeze and the patch isn't exactly trivial18:00
Tonio_JontheEchidna: kk18:00
neversfeldeRiddell: thanks18:01
rgreening\o/18:01
rgreeninganyone backporting arora 0.10.1 to Jaunty?18:01
* rgreening thinks it would be a good thing...18:01
JontheEchidnaEven if upstream could make up their minds and come to the conclusion that they wanted the plasma patch right now, it'd still be too late to have any level of quality assurance18:02
natschilJontheEchidna: ScottK: ok. I'll have to compile my own kde then, and I hope not too many people use this feature...maybe it should somehow be added to a ppa then.18:02
kishorefor some reason marble is not built with QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT defined and as a result prints a lot of data in the terminal. Is this intentional?18:02
ScottKnatschil: Any launchpad user that's signed the code of conduct can have a PPA, so go ahead, please just make sure people understand not to file bugs from your packages.18:02
natschilok, thanks for looking at the patch everyone... I hope kde 4.4 somehow finds a "nice" fix this feature as it is something I really miss since 4.218:04
kishoresince its meant to be Qt only and KDE too, it uses qDebug() instead of kDebug() in its code18:04
ScottKContinuing the dialog with upstream KDE and coming to some kind of resolution is the best way natschil18:05
Riddellkishore: ug.  is there a way to turn that off at runtime?18:05
Tonio_rgreening: are enabling password storage and adblock by default ?18:06
rgreeningyeah18:06
Tonio_rgreening: if not maybe we should do it, no ?18:06
rgreening:)18:06
Tonio_great :)18:06
rgreeningicefox said if we were gonna patch, he would rather make it the default and so he did .. :)18:06
kishoreRiddell:  I cannot find an option for that...18:07
rgreeningso, we have no patches required except the kubuntu specific flash installer hook18:07
Tonio_rgreening: then you should look into this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Mousegestures+for+all+Browsers?content=10957618:07
Tonio_rgreening: we can make it to work in KDS :)18:08
Tonio_rgreening: mouse gestures is another thing we miss in arora18:08
kishoreRiddell: I have however tried to build marble (from svn) with that macro defined and then it's fine18:09
Riddellkishore: I'm asking upstream what  they  want us  to do18:09
kishoreok18:09
Tonio_Riddell: do you know of a way to import khotkeys within kconfupdate ?18:09
RiddellTonio_: I don't  understand18:10
Tonio_Riddell: we can't deploy shortcuts from within KDS since they have a label and incremental ID18:11
Tonio_Riddell: so they can conflict with user's defined ones18:11
Tonio_Riddell: but there is a way to import them graphically18:11
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking about a way to automate this process18:11
Tonio_Riddell: any idea on that point ?18:11
Tonio_it would have been easy with dcop... dunno if that's possible with dbus18:12
Tonio_JontheEchidna, rgreening since we just discussed this problem any help is welcome too :)18:13
JontheEchidnaI'm a total noob when it comes to kconf_update scripts18:13
Riddellwell you can write a  script to do it and have kconf_update  run that script if  you like18:14
rgreeningTonio_: for the gestures, wouldn't they just go in the associated kds dir .. looks liek the system ones are here... /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys/18:14
RiddellI don't know what you want to do  with dcop but dbus  will  have  all the  same interfaces18:14
* rgreening doesn't think automating this is a good idea...18:15
Tonio_rgreening: can't be done in KDS, that's the problem18:15
rgreeningTonio_: you have tried?18:16
Tonio_because they have an ID that will conflict with the user's18:16
Tonio_rgreening: yep18:16
rgreeninghmm....18:16
rgreeningTonio_: ask upstream how to do it correctly...18:16
Tonio_lemme test... anyway18:16
* rgreening thinks this is something that so get into upstream tree proper so all benefit18:17
Tonio_rgreening: maybe this as been addressed in 4.3.2 indeed, you might be right.... so lemme test :)18:17
rgreenings/so/should/18:20
rgreening:)18:20
JontheEchidnaAnybody know why http://pastebin.ca/1601876 results in the compiler thinking I gave the foreach 3 arguments?18:21
JontheEchidna/home/jonathan/src/update-helper-notifier/updatehelpernotifier.cpp:287:49: error: macro "Q_FOREACH" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 218:22
JontheEchidnanested QMaps ftl18:22
Tonio_rgreening: so, technically you are right :)18:23
Tonio_rgreening: but it won't work correctly with arora since arora get the right click "click" event and not "release" for it's context menu...18:24
Tonio_too bad :)18:24
rgreeningTonio_: jump onto #arora and speak with icefox on this. he may have a suggestion or be able to provide a fix18:25
JontheEchidnamaybe I only need a QList of QMaps...18:26
Tonio_rgreening: kk18:26
Tonio_rgreening: no need for that, I got it to work, and it works like a charm :)18:29
Tonio_Riddell: do we want mouse gestures in arora ?18:29
Tonio_I can make all this to work in kds18:29
Tonio_Riddell: just you decide if that deserves the effort that late in the cycle18:30
ScottKTonio_: I wouldn't add features at this point.18:30
Tonio_ScottK: technically this is not features, but configuration...18:30
Tonio_ScottK: enabling an existing feature in fact18:30
ScottKTonio_: If you enable it by default where it wasn't before, it presents a new feature to the user.18:31
ScottKSame thing18:31
Tonio_yep I tend to agree...18:31
Tonio_ScottK: also making arora to rock is super important for US, as webbrowsing is a major issue for our users I think no ?18:31
Tonio_ScottK: I would tend to consider this deserves a feature exception...18:32
Tonio_any opinion guys ?18:32
neversfeldeRiddell: did you already upload kid3? I got a suggestion from upstream to improve debian/rules a bit.18:32
ScottKTonio_: I agree, but I think adding new features should only be done if it's important and non-controversial.  I think some people love mouse gestures, others it drives them nuts.18:32
Riddellneversfelde: it  failed  to build18:33
Tonio_ScottK: what about adding the config, but not enabling mouse gestures by default18:33
Tonio_ScottK: so that we can document that people who want them can easilly enable them18:33
ScottKTonio_: Adding a non-default option I think would be OK18:33
Tonio_ScottK: good compromise I think18:33
RiddellTonio_: can't say I've  ever had a need for  mouse gestures18:33
Tonio_Riddell: I can understand this18:34
Tonio_Riddell: I'll just push the gestures and not enable them by default18:34
Tonio_I think that makes sense, no ?18:34
Tonio_most people love gestures, I do...18:34
ScottKTonio_: Most people tend to think others want the same thing as them, even when they don't....18:35
Tonio_ScottK: as opera and firefox already support gestures, I'll disable them for those 2 browsers and only add the arora part18:35
Tonio_ScottK: the thing is that someone who wants them currently doesn't have them at all with arora18:36
ScottKTonio_: What's the default in Firefox?18:36
neversfeldeRiddell: the same package build in my ppa without problems18:36
ScottKTonio_: I agree with adding the option to Arora18:36
Tonio_ScottK: no gestures, but installation is easy18:36
rgreeningcould it be imported but not enabled Tonio_ or ScottK? Then its config but not present as a feature unless user turns on the config18:36
Tonio_ScottK: that's why I consider we can make it easy without making it the default18:36
neversfeldeRiddell: I#ll have another look at it18:36
ScottKOK18:36
Tonio_rgreening: let's go :)18:36
Tonio_rgreening: only arora is fine right ?18:39
Tonio_rgreening: and simpler to maintain btw18:39
rgreeningsure... only do arora18:41
rgreeningits not the default .. so I'd be ok with adding the gestures non-enabled and only for arora. We can investigate for lucid doing more...18:41
Tonio_rgreening: technically it is easier to do more, since the file is already written :)18:46
Tonio_rgreening: otherwise I have to change it18:46
lex79ScottK: can you retry qt4 for see what happens? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.3-0ubuntu118:46
ScottKlex79: Why do you think it would be different?18:50
lex79ScottK: because is strange, on armel in main archive build fine, and the same package in ninja ppa build fine, you can see in ninja ppa18:51
ScottKOK.  I'll try it18:51
lex79thanks18:52
nookie^ryanakca: banner is looking nice on the website =)18:56
lex79ftbs again on qt4 :(19:09
Riddelllex79: can  you recreate the problem in the buildds?19:10
lex79Riddell: I don't know how, and I'm wondering why in ppa works19:11
rgreeninglex79: which ppa?19:12
lex79ninja19:13
* rgreening homes not the one with qt4.619:13
rgreeningok19:13
rgreeningstrange19:13
lex79rgreening: it's the same package, I downloaded it from maina archive and push in ppa19:13
lex79*main19:13
rgreeninglex79: got a link to the failed buildlog19:21
lex79https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.3-0ubuntu119:21
Tonio_hum does kopete obey to knetworkmanager for you ?19:23
Tonio_it stopped to work for me...19:24
Tonio_I'm talking about automatic connection/disconnection to protocols19:25
rgreeningRiddell: two KDE blueprints added to UDS-L sprint... (thanks to rickspencer3) - touchpad-config-kde and kubuntu-file-sharing19:29
rgreeningI wanted to get these straightened away as I will be on vacation for the next tow weeks... not sure howmuch net time I may get during the vacation.19:30
rgreening:)19:30
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rgreeningRiddell: did agateau's change for indicator get uploaded?19:47
Riddellyes19:49
rgreeningawesome19:51
lex79uploaded kdepim in backport, it was still 4.3.120:02
rgreeningok, so, selecting 14,000 messages in your trash and trying to perma delete causes kmail to crash :)20:16
rgreeninghaha20:16
Tonio_rgreening: one question about arora20:16
Tonio_rgreening: I notice that it doens't seem to cache pages20:16
Tonio_rgreening: backward and forward reload the page20:16
rgreeningtheres an option to turn on20:16
rgreeningiirc20:17
Tonio_rgreening: should be turned on :)20:17
rgreeningenable network cache..its on for me20:17
Tonio_rgreening: network cache is enabled on my side20:17
Tonio_rgreening: but it doesn't seem to work...20:17
rgreeningdunno. ping icefox on #arora20:18
rgreeningRiddell: indicator still not working for kmail here... uless the update isn't published yet to archives20:19
Tonio_rgreening: sure20:19
Tonio_rgreening: mybad it works... just not as fast as I would expect :) I guess this is more qtwebkit20:21
rgreeningprobably20:22
rgreeningqt 4.6 would improve this.. but thats for Lucid+KDE4.4 before we try Qt4.6 I woudl guess...20:23
Tonio_rgreening: yeah I read that qt 4.6 will improve a lot on the webkit side20:30
Tonio_rgreening: as well as have java support20:31
rgreening\o/20:37
neversfeldeRiddell: I build kid3 two times without problems locally. Probably I made a mistake with the debdiff, shall I upload another to the bug report?20:44
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: your build built fine here too. (I did test :P)20:45
JontheEchidnabut it failed in the archive :(20:45
neversfeldehehe, I also added the changes upstream send me.20:46
ryanakcanookie^: :)20:52
neversfeldergreening: I totally forgot about kpackagekit, is this problem solved or does it need more investigation?20:54
rgreeningkpackagekit always needs attention...20:55
rgreening:)20:55
rgreeningI dont recall anything being fixed/solved recently with it...20:56
txwikinger_workdoes kpackagekit work with ldap authentication now?21:02
neversfeldergreening: ok, I will test it again. Did you upload your patch for k3b?21:03
ScottKlex79: See Debian Bug 550127 - they got it too.21:11
ubottuDebian bug 550127 in qt4-x11 "FTBFS: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `src/tools/bootstrap/Makefile'," [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/55012721:11
lex79yes21:13
rgreeningneversfelde: which was that?21:13
* rgreening doesn't remember...21:13
neversfeldergreening: for normalize-audio21:13
rgreeningyes21:14
rgreeningshazam21:14
rgreening:)21:14
rgreeningI provided to debian too.21:14
rgreeningworks sweet21:14
neversfeldecool21:17
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: I saw that a fix you provided got lost. I think it was revision 4 of the bzr branch for k3b21:19
rgreeningnot something I did? though, right?21:21
bmungerSo does the kubuntu karmic usplash work for anyone?  I have 3 machines running it and none seem to have a usplash even though I see it updated from time to time.21:23
neversfeldergreening: no, it was some uploads before21:23
rgreeningneversfelde: ok. good.21:23
rgreeningbmunger: usplash == turned off for *buntu intentionally21:24
bmungergood to know, thanks rgreening.  wasn't sure if there was something wrong with what I was doing21:25
Mamarokhm, I can't change my Regional settings anymore, systemsettings crashes at every try, do I need an additional package?21:25
rgreeningnope. part of the faster boot times21:25
rgreeningMamarok: a fix was uploaded.21:25
bmungeryes it is really fast too, I love it21:25
rgreeningMamarok: try updating21:25
Mamarokrgreening: nice, thx :)21:26
rgreeningbmunger: yeah. getting better for sure21:26
rgreeningMamarok: np21:26
* Mamarok loves Karmic21:26
rgreeninghehe21:26
Mamarokit's really fast, 32 Minutes fresh install from working system to working system is hard to beat :)21:27
Mamarokand the startup is a real rocket :)21:27
txwikinger_workMamarok: how stable?21:30
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Mamaroktxwikinger_work: I changed this morning, runs since midday, so I can't tell more than for 8 hours :)21:36
txwikinger_workMamarok: 8 hours is quite stable in my book ;)21:37
Mamaroktxwikinger_work: 1 month is what I call stable, and 4.3.1 ran more than a month on Jaunty without problems21:41
txwikinger_workMamarok: Well..21:45
* txwikinger_work wonders if http://www.ece.nus.edu.sg/stfpage/eletp/Projects/PhotoSketch/index.htm is open source :D21:46
JontheEchidnahttp://imagebin.ca/view/TxWqkuV.html , http://imagebin.ca/view/jjHHBW.html21:52
JontheEchidna\o/21:52
JontheEchidnaif I can parse translations for the hooks and actually run the upgrade hook commands, upgrade hook support will be complete21:53
JontheEchidnaoh, and once I stop double-notification of the same hook21:54
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shtylmanhttp://www.amazon.com/review/R2VDKZ4X1F992Q/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg2/179-0270709-0424271?ie=UTF8&cdPage=223:35
shtylmanto distrct everyone for a moment ^ :)23:35
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Riddellthat review has probably increased sales of that book significantly23:42
shtylmanindeed23:45

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