[00:14] <nixternal> cool, arora got a nice little mention on lifehacker, and the comments all seem good too
[00:15] <neversfelde> and bug #444986, too. the fix also adds MP4 support. The bug, which caused the problem with building it is fixed.
[00:24] <yuriy> *sigh* just bolting on a kmainwindow doesn't do any good. but i did confirm that using just a kmainwindow works
[01:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 419465
[01:44] <lex79> it seems acked
[02:42]  * JontheEchidna just wrote his first flatfile config parser
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> it was about as much of a pain as I'd thought it would be
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I'll probably look at it tomorrow (in my time zone)
[02:47] <lex79> perfect thanks
[02:47]  * JontheEchidna is consumed with writing a upgrade hook parser
[02:51] <lex79> ehehe I'm consumed with libqt4 upgrade :P
[02:53] <lex79> uhm kdeutils and kdeplasma-addons is still 4.3.1 in backport :(
[02:53] <lex79> oh and ftbs in staging, perfect
[03:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: Please let ^nookie know that his countdown banner is up if you see him
[04:41] <JontheEchidna> upgrade hooks are broken in update-notifier-kde
[04:44] <rgreening> ouch
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> poor McUser won't know to restart firefox now :(
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> come to think of it, I haven't seen any hook notifications since 8.10
[04:46] <rgreening> me neither
[04:46] <JontheEchidna> The logic for parsing them makes my head spin
[04:46]  * JontheEchidna wrote new logic for his u-n-k replacement
[04:48] <rgreening> yay
[04:49] <JontheEchidna> that's the discussion you came in on in kde-devel, me stumbling on the last mistake for parsing (that I know of)
[04:49] <JontheEchidna> I forgot to put brackets around my else if and else statements, lol
[04:51] <JontheEchidna> Tomorrow Imma implement the GUI for showing hooks in my replacement. But it would still be nice if hooks could be fixed for 9.10
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> but for now, sleep. nn
[04:56] <rgreening> nn
[04:59] <ScottK> Anyone fixing kdepim?
[05:08] <nixternal> hrmm, bpython is destroyed in the repos, new debian version + changes to python version == FTW!
[05:16] <rgreening> ouch
[05:16] <nixternal> fixing it now though
[05:17] <nixternal> my question is this, should I just edit the version in the repos to fix it, should i grab the newer release from debian and fix that, or should I grab the latest release from upstream and use that?
[05:20] <nixternal> new upstream release it is
[08:30] <Mamarok> question: is the fglrx driver in Karmic addressing the issue some people had with cards not being supported?
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: digikam FFe submitted as bug 445232, test packages in my PPA
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: will subscribe ubuntu-release when done with some testing
[08:56] <Lure> and other testers appreciated
[10:05] <neversfelde> mhh, no entries in kickoff menu anymore, I guess that is not normal :)
[10:23] <Riddell> NCommander: so what's the problem with  the new sip in ubuntu?
[10:26] <Riddell> hmm, not terribly flattering http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#5384740988513775778
[10:27] <Riddell> ooh that's a bit better http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#5384741895999609730
[10:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you had this issue? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209714
[10:31] <Riddell> #kde-devel suggests dfaure forgot a backport
[10:42] <Riddell> bwa ha ha http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#5389257074567799026
[10:43] <Riddell> surf and snooze http://picasaweb.google.com/sea.kayaking.scotland/WetWestPaddlefest2009RiverGarry#5389257378995269554
[11:13] <neversfelde> Riddell: could you have a look at bug 444466
[11:13] <neversfelde> it would fix kid3
[11:17] <Tonio_> anyone working on kdepim ? it currently ftbfs... I'm going to fix, but I'd like to be sure no one is doing this right now
[11:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[11:21] <katoda> hi, where can I get any info about Your custom app, that converts GTK notifications into KDE4 notifications?
[11:27] <Riddell> katoda: freedesktop.org has the visual notification spec
[11:30] <Riddell> neversfelde: onto it
[12:07] <markey> is it safe to upgrade currently on karmic?
[12:07] <markey> asking because on Mamarok's box KDE looks very very strange now
[12:08] <Riddell> I don't think there's any killer bugs  as long as you  don't  want  to log out
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: just for my personal knowledge.. what is the status of kubuntu+bootsplash ?
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: still nothing here, I assume that's normal
[12:10] <Riddell> there's a very brief splash after X and before KDM starts
[12:10] <markey> Riddell: Mamarok says I should tell you that her system is completely bricked
[12:10]  * markey shrugs
[12:10] <Riddell> that's all that is intended to  be there
[12:11] <Riddell> markey: wibble, what did she do?
[12:11] <markey> her panel is now at the top
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: using wplash of ksplash ?
[12:11] <markey> and nothing really works
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: ksplashx
[12:11] <markey> Riddell: giving the keyboard to Mamarok
[12:11] <markey> hi
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe my computer is just booting too fast and I don't see it then... benefits of ssd :)
[12:11] <markey> I installed beta, fresh install, ext4 etc
[12:12] <Tonio_> I must say I boot in less that 5 secs... that might be the reason
[12:12] <markey> then I updated KDE to 4.3.2, had a plasma crash and had to do everything in a terminal
[12:12] <markey> impossible to restart plasma then, did an rsync of my saved home, removed the old .kde again and restarted
[12:13] <markey> now I am in a KDE with two activities, Newspaper + Applications
[12:14] <markey> no way to get a panel at the bottom, a tiny panel on top with everything sliding all the time
[12:14] <Riddell> markey: that means you have plasma-netbook  installed, is that what you wanted?
[12:14] <markey> not at all
[12:14] <markey> I downloaded the regular Kubuntu CD for amd64
[12:15] <Riddell> markey: killall plasma-netbook; apt-get remove plasma-netbook kubuntu-netbook-default-settings kubuntu-netbook; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:15] <markey> since I installed stuff with the aptitude ncurses interface, I might well have installed stuff by accident though
[12:15] <markey> Riddell: thx, will try that
[12:21] <markey> ok, it's markey back
[12:21] <markey> can we get a new version of ShowChock into Karmic?
[12:21] <markey> Choqok*
[12:21] <markey> 0.6.6 is a bit buggy
[12:23] <Riddell> looks like debian are up to 0.9.1
[12:23] <Riddell> markey: any idea if that version is less buggy?
[12:36] <markey> Riddell: I would assume so
[12:36] <markey> it's newer, after all
[12:36] <markey> haven't tried it though
[12:36] <markey> the author is quite good
[12:36] <markey> I tend to trust him
[12:36] <Nightrose> wait a sec
[12:37] <markey> time's up!
[12:37] <Nightrose> you don't want 0.9.1
[12:38] <Nightrose> it's an alpha and missing a lot of things current stable has
[12:38] <Nightrose> check the latest news on their websote
[12:38] <Nightrose> go with 0.6.6
[12:39] <Riddell> "If you want to try new changes and don’t need leaked features, an upgrade may be funny, otherwise, I recommend you to stay with previous stable release (0.6.6) and wait for a later version…"
[12:39] <markey> oh ok
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdepim fixed, uploading
[13:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: rock
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's the one
[13:28] <jussi01> scissors? oh, not playing that... :P
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: seen bug 414572?
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> do we use the kubuntu twitter feed enough to justify maintaining that patch?
[13:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's on  my  todo for the week
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> great
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> I'm backporting the systemsettings crash
[13:51]  * ScottK currently has no X on his laptop, so figuring that out is job #1.
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could I get a sponsor of kde4libs from bzr?
[14:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's new?
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: dfaure's patch for the systemsettings klocale crash
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> there's already a ton of dupes
[14:18] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: worth uploading to jaunty kubuntu backports too?
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> yes, a mail was sent out to kde-packagers (which I haven't received, funnily)
[14:20] <ScottK> How do I disable ksplashx?
[14:21] <Riddell> rm /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[14:21] <Riddell> for the kdm bit
[14:21] <Riddell> ScottK: why would  you want to?
[14:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Because my laptop won't get a running X at the moment with KDM, but boot to recovery mode and then startx works.
[14:22] <ScottK> So I'm trying to narrow things down.
[14:29] <ScottK> OK, well it fixed itself, so nevermind for now.
[14:31] <mvo> hello, can someone help me with bug #444661, i.e. what do I have to depend on to make policykit-1 integration work with qt?
[14:34] <Riddell> mvo: there  is no policykit-1 for kde yet, so it needs whatever gnome uses
[14:34] <ScottK> mvo: kpackagekit uses policykit, so that might give a clue
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> I think fedora has done some work on it
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> (a frontend for policykit-1 for KDE
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> )
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's  not complete
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> no need to duplicate work
[14:34] <Riddell> ScottK: kpackagekit uses policykit 0.9
[14:34] <mvo> thanks!
[14:35] <ScottK> Ah, right.
[14:35] <mvo> that is helpful, now I just need to figure out why the gtk stuff is not working under kde :)
[14:35] <davmor2> ScottK: Good news we might be one step closer to a working wubi install \o/
[14:35] <ScottK> Nice.
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> erf, forgot to push a typo fix to bzr
[14:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: uh oh, I already uploaded, karmic  and jaunty
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> I'll testbuild once more to make sure everything's good
[14:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: foo, failed to build
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that typo'd cause a build failure
[14:51]  * JontheEchidna uploads a testbuild to ninjas since private PPAs have the best build scores
[14:52] <freinhard> can one donate a build server? got a dual p3-866 here doing nothing
[15:01] <jussi01> Nightrose: ping
[15:01] <Nightrose> jussi01: pong
[15:02] <jussi01> Nightrose: have you looked at google wave recently? do you still have all your waves?
[15:02] <jussi01> mine have all disappeared somewhere...
[15:04] <Nightrose> jussi01: looks ok here
[15:04] <jussi01> :/
[15:04] <Nightrose> but they migh have some problems after letting in a lot more people
[15:04] <jussi01> yeah maybe. Ive got nothing. not even the welcome one
[15:04] <Nightrose> strange
[15:08] <ScottK> Is it known/common that the networking icon doesn't change when connecting via wired ethernet?
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes
[15:11] <Riddell> I assume it's just lack of artwork (just an assumption though)
[15:11] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[15:11]  * ScottK almost never uses wired, but did today for the first time in Karmic.
[15:11] <ScottK> Riddell: We had an icon for it before and the icon is from Oxygen.
[15:11] <ScottK> Quassel uses the same icon for networking stuff, so I know it's there.
[15:13] <yuriy> I think wstephenson said the icons were temporary, but it would be nice to have a wired connected icon there, that's really confusing
[15:15] <ScottK> At least we could use the same one we used in Jaunty.
[15:18] <heliocastro> agateau: ping
[15:18] <agateau> heliocastro: pong
[15:18] <heliocastro> agateau: Hi. We have a request for opencv 2.0 in our distro. DO you think kipi is safe with that ?
[15:18] <rgreening> agateau: any luck looking into why indicator does not see kmail as a running application eventhough it is configured to use indicator?
[15:20] <agateau> heliocastro: I know nothing about opencv :/ better ask Gilles Caullier about that
[15:20] <agateau> rgreening: I am updating right now to check it
[15:20] <heliocastro> agateau: Thanks. I go for Gilles. Btw congrats for you new baby
[15:21] <agateau> heliocastro: hehe thanks :)
[15:29] <rgreening> oocalc hangs for long periods of time in file dialog... anyone else seeing this?
[15:29] <rgreening> agateau: ty
[15:31] <yuriy> rgreening: sounds familiar. shtylman ^
[15:31] <rgreening> could be related to... bugs 424132?
[15:33] <rgreening> though I am not crashing.. just takes a long time to respond when changing folders, clicking the name, etc...
[15:46] <agateau> rgreening: ScottK: Riddell: I think I found the problem with indicators,
[15:46] <agateau> I somehow forgot to upload latest plasmoid source
[15:46] <ScottK> agateau: Great.  What's the fix?
[15:46] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:46]  * agateau blushes
[15:46] <agateau> Package version 0.4.1 of the plasmoid
[15:49] <rgreening> at least theres a quick fix. lets get it uploaded :)
[15:49] <rgreening> ty agateau
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, current kde4libs bzr should build
[16:14] <Riddell> agateau: ok I'll do  that
[16:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that too
[16:24] <ScottK> It'd be easier to figure out where to change the icon name if things in the KNM code had more descriptive names than case 0, case 1, case 2 (or maybe some comments).
[16:25] <Mamarok> *sniff" where's my PySol?
[16:26] <Riddell> yay, Mamarok is alive!
[16:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: oh, I never died, what gave you that idea?
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is bug 419465 acked? lex was looking for a sponsor but I want to make sure
[16:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: btw, I found out what I did wrong: installed all things plasma-*
[16:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If it's just me, it needs a 2nd ack.
[16:27] <ScottK> Mamarok: So you were running plasma-netbook?
[16:27] <Mamarok> but my PySol solitaire game is not in the repos anymore :(
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I think stephen patroya gave an ack too
[16:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: In that case it's fine
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, he deferred to vorian
[16:28] <Mamarok> ScottK: yep, it was almost funny, besides that I didn't even have a terminal option, Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't show anything
[16:28] <ScottK> Then it needs a 2nd ack.
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ^
[16:39] <yuriy> ScottK: ouch. where are the enums
[16:39] <yuriy> Trolltech's API guidelines make a big deal of using enums
[16:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I might have a fix for the drag/drop icon :)
[16:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: there was a patch in qt3 that misses in qt4, and most of the code base is the same, so I just ported it.... let's see
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: wow, you'll be a hero if it works
[16:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: http://svn.uludag.org.tr/viewcvs/devel/desktop/kde/qt/files/0068-xcursors-cache-fix.patch?revision=5148&root=pardus&sortby=author&view=markup&pathrev=5217
[16:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm talking about this patch
[16:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I've been tracking this thing for a complete year now
[16:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: checking at pardus code sometimes helps :) I found that one by chance :)
[16:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we had the patch merged directly with qt3 sources, that's why I couldn't see the patch in the package
[16:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: technically I see no reason it doesn't work... we'll see :)
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you can't imagin how many days I've been spending on that one without telling anyone :)
[16:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it's probably the issues I spent the most time in my all life, even including my professional work...
[16:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: beleive me, if I fix this, getting drunk with a champagne bottle :)
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> I'll celebrate too. I did do a bit of debugging work with ruphy for that one. But not nearly a years worth :P
[16:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: just do you know if there is a launchpad bug for this one ? I can't find it
[16:50] <Tonio_> I know there is a kde one, and have the ID
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, just a sec
[16:50] <Tonio_> kk thx
[16:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you can't imagin my reaction when I saw the patch on pardus/qt3 branch by change....
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe there wasn't one
[16:51] <Tonio_> it was like "OHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD"
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> ah, I'm looking in the wrong kdebase
[16:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah maybe
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> cursors are in -workspace
[16:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I searched but couldn't find
[16:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: people would probably report to dolphin anyway, not workspace
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: bug 280113
[16:52] <Tonio_> it's in dolphin the most visible
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> plasma is probably the second most visible^
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> since it's clicky-draggy
[16:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you are the Malone Lord
[16:53] <Tonio_> definately impressive in malone usage...
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> I control the very ether of the malone database, calling bugs to my name
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> bugs fear my name and flock to my call
[16:54]  * JontheEchidna feels like a Greek god
[16:55] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: haha
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> Few still utter the archaic label "malone", but even those who don't know my name :P
[16:56]  * JontheEchidna stops before it goes to his head
[16:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: uploading to my ppa, if you wanna test the fix too :)
[16:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: will you be at next UDS ?
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: I won't be able to attend due to school
[17:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I personnaly won't, my sponsoring request was rejected
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> :(
[17:00] <ScottK> Tonio_: He's got misplace priorities.
[17:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: which is fair, a little roration is always good
[17:00]  * JontheEchidna nods
[17:00] <yuriy> Tonio_: oh you too? :(
[17:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: any idea who has been sponsored appart from you ?
[17:00] <Tonio_> yuriy: yeah
[17:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: I recall rgreening mentioning he was sponsored.
[17:01] <Tonio_> yuriy: well I haven't been as active during this cycle than in the past, for personal reasons
[17:01] <Tonio_> yuriy: so less contribution added to the fact I've been sponsored more than most people in the past explain I won't be there :)
[17:02] <Tonio_> ScottK: kk, only 3 people isn't a lot :) I hope there are more sponsored kubuntu devs
[17:02] <ScottK> Tonio_: I suspect there are, I just don't know who.
[17:03] <Tonio_> ScottK: if that also means there are more kde devs invited, that's good :)
[17:03] <ScottK> I didn't here about that yet.
[17:03] <ScottK> I hope so also
[17:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it acceptable to ask you who will be there this time ?
[17:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: or is that confidential ?
[17:04] <Tonio_> ScottK: I might be able to attend to some sessiosn remotelly eventually
[17:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: you may
[17:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: so ? ^_^
[17:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, more correct would be "can you respond if I ask ?" :)
[17:05] <Riddell> ScottK, rgreening
[17:05] <Riddell> nhandler, shtylman, txwikinger_work
[17:06] <Riddell> me and agateau
[17:06] <Tonio_> great :)
[17:08] <Tonio_> I don't know much about txwikinger :) nice for you too nhandler :)
[17:08] <Lure> Riddell: I have tested digikam and it looks all fine to me - I think bug 445232 is ready for ubuntu-release approval
[17:08] <Riddell> anyone else want to test digikam?
[17:10] <rgreening> me
[17:10] <Riddell> rgreening: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/ppa/+files/digikam_1.0.0~beta5-1ubuntu1~ppa~lure1_i386.deb
[17:10] <rgreening> point me to it
[17:10] <rgreening> ty
[17:10] <rgreening> dl now
[17:10] <rgreening> hey Tonio_ :) long time no speak...
[17:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: yup yup :)
[17:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: lot of work, and tracking my bug #1
[17:11] <rgreening> Tonio_: I guess filesharing never happened :)  I have asked to retarget for Lucid..
[17:11] <rgreening> ;)
[17:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: it will for lucid, that's my priority, but I had to do with less time this time
[17:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: new job, travelling and so on...
[17:11] <rgreening> less than 6 months :)
[17:12] <rgreening> hee-hee
[17:12]  * rgreening will miss Tonio_ this UDS
[17:12] <rgreening> and his stories...
[17:12] <Tonio_> rgreening: hopefully in 6 month, unless this time I'm sponsored and not you :)
[17:12] <Lure> who is coming to UDS from Kubuntu?
[17:13] <rgreening> who knows....
[17:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^
[17:13]  * rgreening has big plans this cycle too... 
[17:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I saw that bug for ksnapshot,I don't have a mac anymore
[17:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: so I have a print key and can test :)
[17:16]  * rgreening wishes we had kdernel 2.6.32, intel drv 2.9.0, mesa 7.6, drm 2.4.14... and then I could run the unigine demo... :(
[17:17] <Riddell> man digikam has an ugly first use wizard
[17:24] <Riddell> rgreening: digikam behaving  itself?
[17:24] <rgreening> Riddell: got a amd one...
[17:24] <rgreening> same location? I guess
[17:24] <Riddell> yes
[17:24] <rgreening> k..
[17:25] <rgreening> got to get that one.
[17:27]  * txwikinger_work wonders if he gets kubuntu CDs in time for Ontario Linuxfest
[17:35] <neversfelde> bug 444986
[17:35] <neversfelde> the fix also adds mp4 support to kid3 again, the bug is fixed
[17:35] <neversfelde> so if someone would have a look at it?
[17:38] <rgreening> Riddell: digikam seems fine
[17:43] <rgreening> Riddell: I tried a bunch of stuff. seems stable to me
[17:46] <Riddell> rgreening: thanks
[17:48] <freinhard> omg..cups..who did this? its white, nice. it's unusable! so many clicks...
[17:49] <Nightrose> jussi01: hmmm now the wave is broken here too :/
[17:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: about that ksnapshot issue...
[17:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: 361116 isn't a dupe of 365379 (which is fixed in 4.3) bug a dupe of 364641.
[17:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I just tested and it works on a new kde session
[17:50] <rgreening> Riddell: np
[17:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but won't for old profiles... there is no easy way to fix this as rules are numbers, which is a problem to fix in kds
[17:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I suggest to mark 365379 as fixed, and make 361116 dupe of 364641
[17:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: is that fine with you ?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> ok
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> let me look at all the bugs and take this in
[17:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: kk
[17:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I don't know how to "deduplicate" in fact, can you tell me ?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: apparently it doesn't work in konqueror, but you open up the duplicate box, clear the field and press enter
[17:53] <Tonio_> kk
[17:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: looking
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> so
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> bug 365379 currently shows up as a dupe of bug 361116
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> which should be a duplicate of 364641?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: ^
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> 364641 is fixed in 4.3.2 I believe
[17:55] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm doing it, gimme a second
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> ah, ok. I'm a bit confused
[17:55]  * JontheEchidna is currently dealing with nested QMaps
[17:55] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I don't know about 364641
[17:56] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but I'm marking 365379 as fixed with 4.3
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> it should be fixed in 4.3.2, but pre-4.3.2-generated config will still show the problem
[17:56] <natschil> Hello. I would like to suggest that the following patch/workaround http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1755/ be put into  the ubuntu packages, as not doing so would break the user experience for some of those of use who use compiz and kde together from 4.2 to 4.3
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> (for 364641)
[17:57] <Riddell> neversfelde: uploaded
[17:58] <natschil> It allows for stuff like this to happen: http://i.linux-bg.org/g/b-411447596gal.pl.png, which in my opinion is *very* useful...
[17:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah, that's a pain, since the keys have a number and ID, there is no real way to override the user's khotkeysrc
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: so, mark as fixed in 4.3.2 and say there's not much we can do for overriding current settings?
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> I suppose baleeting the user's khotkeysrc would not be nice
[18:00] <ScottK> natschil: Given the negative reaction from upstream, I think we probably don't.
[18:00] <rgreening> ryanakca: do you have hte new pages ready for testing somewhere? And did we ever get the theme, etc uploaded?
[18:00]  * rgreening cant remember
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> plus it's only a week before final freeze and the patch isn't exactly trivial
[18:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: kk
[18:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks
[18:01] <rgreening> \o/
[18:01] <rgreening> anyone backporting arora 0.10.1 to Jaunty?
[18:01]  * rgreening thinks it would be a good thing...
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> Even if upstream could make up their minds and come to the conclusion that they wanted the plasma patch right now, it'd still be too late to have any level of quality assurance
[18:02] <natschil> JontheEchidna: ScottK: ok. I'll have to compile my own kde then, and I hope not too many people use this feature...maybe it should somehow be added to a ppa then.
[18:02] <kishore> for some reason marble is not built with QT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUT defined and as a result prints a lot of data in the terminal. Is this intentional?
[18:02] <ScottK> natschil: Any launchpad user that's signed the code of conduct can have a PPA, so go ahead, please just make sure people understand not to file bugs from your packages.
[18:04] <natschil> ok, thanks for looking at the patch everyone... I hope kde 4.4 somehow finds a "nice" fix this feature as it is something I really miss since 4.2
[18:04] <kishore> since its meant to be Qt only and KDE too, it uses qDebug() instead of kDebug() in its code
[18:05] <ScottK> Continuing the dialog with upstream KDE and coming to some kind of resolution is the best way natschil
[18:05] <Riddell> kishore: ug.  is there a way to turn that off at runtime?
[18:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: are enabling password storage and adblock by default ?
[18:06] <rgreening> yeah
[18:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: if not maybe we should do it, no ?
[18:06] <rgreening> :)
[18:06] <Tonio_> great :)
[18:06] <rgreening> icefox said if we were gonna patch, he would rather make it the default and so he did .. :)
[18:07] <kishore> Riddell:  I cannot find an option for that...
[18:07] <rgreening> so, we have no patches required except the kubuntu specific flash installer hook
[18:07] <Tonio_> rgreening: then you should look into this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Mousegestures+for+all+Browsers?content=109576
[18:08] <Tonio_> rgreening: we can make it to work in KDS :)
[18:08] <Tonio_> rgreening: mouse gestures is another thing we miss in arora
[18:09] <kishore> Riddell: I have however tried to build marble (from svn) with that macro defined and then it's fine
[18:09] <Riddell> kishore: I'm asking upstream what  they  want us  to do
[18:09] <kishore> ok
[18:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know of a way to import khotkeys within kconfupdate ?
[18:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't  understand
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can't deploy shortcuts from within KDS since they have a label and incremental ID
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: so they can conflict with user's defined ones
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: but there is a way to import them graphically
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about a way to automate this process
[18:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea on that point ?
[18:12] <Tonio_> it would have been easy with dcop... dunno if that's possible with dbus
[18:13] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna, rgreening since we just discussed this problem any help is welcome too :)
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> I'm a total noob when it comes to kconf_update scripts
[18:14] <Riddell> well you can write a  script to do it and have kconf_update  run that script if  you like
[18:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: for the gestures, wouldn't they just go in the associated kds dir .. looks liek the system ones are here... /usr/share/kde4/apps/khotkeys/
[18:14] <Riddell> I don't know what you want to do  with dcop but dbus  will  have  all the  same interfaces
[18:15]  * rgreening doesn't think automating this is a good idea...
[18:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: can't be done in KDS, that's the problem
[18:16] <rgreening> Tonio_: you have tried?
[18:16] <Tonio_> because they have an ID that will conflict with the user's
[18:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: yep
[18:16] <rgreening> hmm....
[18:16] <rgreening> Tonio_: ask upstream how to do it correctly...
[18:16] <Tonio_> lemme test... anyway
[18:17]  * rgreening thinks this is something that so get into upstream tree proper so all benefit
[18:17] <Tonio_> rgreening: maybe this as been addressed in 4.3.2 indeed, you might be right.... so lemme test :)
[18:20] <rgreening> s/so/should/
[18:20] <rgreening> :)
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know why http://pastebin.ca/1601876 results in the compiler thinking I gave the foreach 3 arguments?
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> /home/jonathan/src/update-helper-notifier/updatehelpernotifier.cpp:287:49: error: macro "Q_FOREACH" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> nested QMaps ftl
[18:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: so, technically you are right :)
[18:24] <Tonio_> rgreening: but it won't work correctly with arora since arora get the right click "click" event and not "release" for it's context menu...
[18:24] <Tonio_> too bad :)
[18:25] <rgreening> Tonio_: jump onto #arora and speak with icefox on this. he may have a suggestion or be able to provide a fix
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> maybe I only need a QList of QMaps...
[18:26] <Tonio_> rgreening: kk
[18:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: no need for that, I got it to work, and it works like a charm :)
[18:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want mouse gestures in arora ?
[18:29] <Tonio_> I can make all this to work in kds
[18:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: just you decide if that deserves the effort that late in the cycle
[18:30] <ScottK> Tonio_: I wouldn't add features at this point.
[18:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: technically this is not features, but configuration...
[18:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: enabling an existing feature in fact
[18:31] <ScottK> Tonio_: If you enable it by default where it wasn't before, it presents a new feature to the user.
[18:31] <ScottK> Same thing
[18:31] <Tonio_> yep I tend to agree...
[18:31] <Tonio_> ScottK: also making arora to rock is super important for US, as webbrowsing is a major issue for our users I think no ?
[18:32] <Tonio_> ScottK: I would tend to consider this deserves a feature exception...
[18:32] <Tonio_> any opinion guys ?
[18:32] <neversfelde> Riddell: did you already upload kid3? I got a suggestion from upstream to improve debian/rules a bit.
[18:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: I agree, but I think adding new features should only be done if it's important and non-controversial.  I think some people love mouse gestures, others it drives them nuts.
[18:33] <Riddell> neversfelde: it  failed  to build
[18:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: what about adding the config, but not enabling mouse gestures by default
[18:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: so that we can document that people who want them can easilly enable them
[18:33] <ScottK> Tonio_: Adding a non-default option I think would be OK
[18:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: good compromise I think
[18:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: can't say I've  ever had a need for  mouse gestures
[18:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can understand this
[18:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll just push the gestures and not enable them by default
[18:34] <Tonio_> I think that makes sense, no ?
[18:34] <Tonio_> most people love gestures, I do...
[18:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: Most people tend to think others want the same thing as them, even when they don't....
[18:35] <Tonio_> ScottK: as opera and firefox already support gestures, I'll disable them for those 2 browsers and only add the arora part
[18:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: the thing is that someone who wants them currently doesn't have them at all with arora
[18:36] <ScottK> Tonio_: What's the default in Firefox?
[18:36] <neversfelde> Riddell: the same package build in my ppa without problems
[18:36] <ScottK> Tonio_: I agree with adding the option to Arora
[18:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: no gestures, but installation is easy
[18:36] <rgreening> could it be imported but not enabled Tonio_ or ScottK? Then its config but not present as a feature unless user turns on the config
[18:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's why I consider we can make it easy without making it the default
[18:36] <neversfelde> Riddell: I#ll have another look at it
[18:36] <ScottK> OK
[18:36] <Tonio_> rgreening: let's go :)
[18:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: only arora is fine right ?
[18:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: and simpler to maintain btw
[18:41] <rgreening> sure... only do arora
[18:41] <rgreening> its not the default .. so I'd be ok with adding the gestures non-enabled and only for arora. We can investigate for lucid doing more...
[18:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: technically it is easier to do more, since the file is already written :)
[18:46] <Tonio_> rgreening: otherwise I have to change it
[18:46] <lex79> ScottK: can you retry qt4 for see what happens? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.3-0ubuntu1
[18:50] <ScottK> lex79: Why do you think it would be different?
[18:51] <lex79> ScottK: because is strange, on armel in main archive build fine, and the same package in ninja ppa build fine, you can see in ninja ppa
[18:51] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try it
[18:52] <lex79> thanks
[18:56] <nookie^> ryanakca: banner is looking nice on the website =)
[19:09] <lex79> ftbs again on qt4 :(
[19:10] <Riddell> lex79: can  you recreate the problem in the buildds?
[19:11] <lex79> Riddell: I don't know how, and I'm wondering why in ppa works
[19:12] <rgreening> lex79: which ppa?
[19:13] <lex79> ninja
[19:13]  * rgreening homes not the one with qt4.6
[19:13] <rgreening> ok
[19:13] <rgreening> strange
[19:13] <lex79> rgreening: it's the same package, I downloaded it from maina archive and push in ppa
[19:13] <lex79> *main
[19:21] <rgreening> lex79: got a link to the failed buildlog
[19:21] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.3-0ubuntu1
[19:23] <Tonio_> hum does kopete obey to knetworkmanager for you ?
[19:24] <Tonio_> it stopped to work for me...
[19:25] <Tonio_> I'm talking about automatic connection/disconnection to protocols
[19:29] <rgreening> Riddell: two KDE blueprints added to UDS-L sprint... (thanks to rickspencer3) - touchpad-config-kde and kubuntu-file-sharing
[19:30] <rgreening> I wanted to get these straightened away as I will be on vacation for the next tow weeks... not sure howmuch net time I may get during the vacation.
[19:30] <rgreening> :)
[19:47] <rgreening> Riddell: did agateau's change for indicator get uploaded?
[19:49] <Riddell> yes
[19:51] <rgreening> awesome
[20:02] <lex79> uploaded kdepim in backport, it was still 4.3.1
[20:16] <rgreening> ok, so, selecting 14,000 messages in your trash and trying to perma delete causes kmail to crash :)
[20:16] <rgreening> haha
[20:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: one question about arora
[20:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: I notice that it doens't seem to cache pages
[20:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: backward and forward reload the page
[20:16] <rgreening> theres an option to turn on
[20:17] <rgreening> iirc
[20:17] <Tonio_> rgreening: should be turned on :)
[20:17] <rgreening> enable network cache..its on for me
[20:17] <Tonio_> rgreening: network cache is enabled on my side
[20:17] <Tonio_> rgreening: but it doesn't seem to work...
[20:18] <rgreening> dunno. ping icefox on #arora
[20:19] <rgreening> Riddell: indicator still not working for kmail here... uless the update isn't published yet to archives
[20:19] <Tonio_> rgreening: sure
[20:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: mybad it works... just not as fast as I would expect :) I guess this is more qtwebkit
[20:22] <rgreening> probably
[20:23] <rgreening> qt 4.6 would improve this.. but thats for Lucid+KDE4.4 before we try Qt4.6 I woudl guess...
[20:30] <Tonio_> rgreening: yeah I read that qt 4.6 will improve a lot on the webkit side
[20:31] <Tonio_> rgreening: as well as have java support
[20:37] <rgreening> \o/
[20:44] <neversfelde> Riddell: I build kid3 two times without problems locally. Probably I made a mistake with the debdiff, shall I upload another to the bug report?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: your build built fine here too. (I did test :P)
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> but it failed in the archive :(
[20:46] <neversfelde> hehe, I also added the changes upstream send me.
[20:52] <ryanakca> nookie^: :)
[20:54] <neversfelde> rgreening: I totally forgot about kpackagekit, is this problem solved or does it need more investigation?
[20:55] <rgreening> kpackagekit always needs attention...
[20:55] <rgreening> :)
[20:56] <rgreening> I dont recall anything being fixed/solved recently with it...
[21:02] <txwikinger_work> does kpackagekit work with ldap authentication now?
[21:03] <neversfelde> rgreening: ok, I will test it again. Did you upload your patch for k3b?
[21:11] <ScottK> lex79: See Debian Bug 550127 - they got it too.
[21:13] <lex79> yes
[21:13] <rgreening> neversfelde: which was that?
[21:13]  * rgreening doesn't remember...
[21:13] <neversfelde> rgreening: for normalize-audio
[21:14] <rgreening> yes
[21:14] <rgreening> shazam
[21:14] <rgreening> :)
[21:14] <rgreening> I provided to debian too.
[21:14] <rgreening> works sweet
[21:17] <neversfelde> cool
[21:19] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I saw that a fix you provided got lost. I think it was revision 4 of the bzr branch for k3b
[21:21] <rgreening> not something I did? though, right?
[21:23] <bmunger> So does the kubuntu karmic usplash work for anyone?  I have 3 machines running it and none seem to have a usplash even though I see it updated from time to time.
[21:23] <neversfelde> rgreening: no, it was some uploads before
[21:23] <rgreening> neversfelde: ok. good.
[21:24] <rgreening> bmunger: usplash == turned off for *buntu intentionally
[21:25] <bmunger> good to know, thanks rgreening.  wasn't sure if there was something wrong with what I was doing
[21:25] <Mamarok> hm, I can't change my Regional settings anymore, systemsettings crashes at every try, do I need an additional package?
[21:25] <rgreening> nope. part of the faster boot times
[21:25] <rgreening> Mamarok: a fix was uploaded.
[21:25] <bmunger> yes it is really fast too, I love it
[21:25] <rgreening> Mamarok: try updating
[21:26] <Mamarok> rgreening: nice, thx :)
[21:26] <rgreening> bmunger: yeah. getting better for sure
[21:26] <rgreening> Mamarok: np
[21:26]  * Mamarok loves Karmic
[21:26] <rgreening> hehe
[21:27] <Mamarok> it's really fast, 32 Minutes fresh install from working system to working system is hard to beat :)
[21:27] <Mamarok> and the startup is a real rocket :)
[21:30] <txwikinger_work> Mamarok: how stable?
[21:36] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: I changed this morning, runs since midday, so I can't tell more than for 8 hours :)
[21:37] <txwikinger_work> Mamarok: 8 hours is quite stable in my book ;)
[21:41] <Mamarok> txwikinger_work: 1 month is what I call stable, and 4.3.1 ran more than a month on Jaunty without problems
[21:45] <txwikinger_work> Mamarok: Well..
[21:46]  * txwikinger_work wonders if http://www.ece.nus.edu.sg/stfpage/eletp/Projects/PhotoSketch/index.htm is open source :D
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/TxWqkuV.html , http://imagebin.ca/view/jjHHBW.html
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> if I can parse translations for the hooks and actually run the upgrade hook commands, upgrade hook support will be complete
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, and once I stop double-notification of the same hook
[23:35] <shtylman> http://www.amazon.com/review/R2VDKZ4X1F992Q/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg2/179-0270709-0424271?ie=UTF8&cdPage=2
[23:35] <shtylman> to distrct everyone for a moment ^ :)
[23:42] <Riddell> that review has probably increased sales of that book significantly
[23:45] <shtylman> indeed