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rockstarmwhudson, yo02:35
mwhudsonrockstar: hi02:36
rockstarmwhudson, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/libvdpau/master WTF?02:41
mwhudsonrockstar: i don't know02:42
mwhudsonoften that means there's whitespace at the end of the url, but that doesn't seem to be the case here02:43
mwhudsonrockstar: it's also possible that it's a ~ vs %7E thing...03:08
rockstarmwhudson, *groan*03:12
rockstarmwhudson, that would seem to me that it would be the git server's issue.03:13
mwhudsonrockstar: well just guesswork at this stage03:14
mwhudsoni'll try it i guess03:14
mwhudsonrockstar: nope, no difference03:15
mwhudsonamusing03:17
mwhudsonopen thunderbird, 'select all' in a large email, switch to terminal, run xsel -o03:17
mwhudson--> thunderbird exits03:17
mwhudsongmb: i'm sure you shouldn't be on facebook right now03:56
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* mwhudson eods06:05
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al-maisanGood morning!06:42
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mrevellHi!09:06
adeuringgood mornin09:24
jmlgood morning09:34
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deryckMorning, all.11:00
jmlgood morning deryck11:13
jmlI just saw bug 44530211:13
mupBug #445302: dashed names wrapped in the tag cloud <Launchpad Bugs:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/445302>11:13
jmland I'm wondering whether there is a way for us to make sure that we never ever ever wrap on dashes in links.11:13
jmlBjornT, ^^^ ?11:13
bigjoolsjml: use a nowrap style?11:25
bigjoolsjames_w: would you be interested in going to a sprint to help us design BFB?11:26
james_wsure11:26
bigjoolsjames_w: would December 7-11 work for you?11:27
james_windeed it would11:27
bigjoolscool - it might be a bit too late to do it then but UDS and other things get in the way :/11:27
bigjoolsI suppose we could have a session at UDS as well11:28
james_wyeah11:28
james_wwe can certainly spend some time discussing it there11:28
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jmlDec 7-11?11:32
jmlhmm.11:32
jmlbigjools, are you thinking NZ?11:33
bigjoolsjml: no11:33
henninge-sprintmrevell: Hi! ;) Please assign questions for translations to "rosetta-admins" instead of a single member of the team.11:33
bigjoolsEurope, prob London again11:33
mrevellhenninge-sprint: will do11:33
jmlbigjools, hmmm.11:33
henninge-sprintmrevell: cheers11:33
bigjoolsjml: wassup?11:35
jmlbigjools, I'm in .au that week.11:35
* bigjools facepalms11:35
jmlbigjools, I can reschedule the flights though.11:36
jmlactually, no I can't. Got to be at a wedding on the 12th.11:36
bigjoolsjml: it's a real headache organising this because of other sprints11:36
jmlbigjools, yeah, I'll bet.11:36
bigjoolsthe other options is to do it before 3.1.10 finishes11:36
bigjoolsflacoste was against that, but if it's easier then we have little choice11:37
jmlbigjools, I think I agree with you.11:41
bigjoolsjml: we should have kept tim here for another week...oh well11:41
bigjoolsjml: so, fancy approving my MP? ;)11:42
thumperbigjools: that would not have happened  :)11:42
jmlbigjools, I'll take a look at it :)11:42
* thumper is configuring quassel11:42
thumperand not working11:42
bigjoolsah thumper!11:42
thumpernew laptop :)11:43
bigjoolsI don't think we're heading to NZ11:43
bigjoolshow is it?11:43
thumperfast11:43
thumperbut webcam isn't working in karmic11:43
jmlbigjools, if the sprint were in NZ, I could attend on the Dec dates :)11:44
bigjoolsit would make it more awkward for others though11:45
bigjoolsbut I will bear it in mind11:45
jmlbigjools, do you want to talk about this DB patch?11:48
bigjoolsjml: yes11:48
jmlbigjools, would you prefer phone, email or IRC?11:49
bigjoolsjml: call me again if you like11:49
jmlok.11:49
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gary_posterallenap: ping?12:06
allenapgary_poster: pong12:06
gary_posterallenap: hi!  It looks like I was the one missing a crucial detail in the MP, sorry about that.  That said, if you want to change the script to use Python 2.5 and be run with buildout, I think we could pretty easily.12:09
gary_posterBut anyway, would you like to have a build engineer coordination call sometime today?  I'm not sure when your EOD is, but I could talk at 15:30 UTC or sometime between 18:00 and 19:00 UTC12:09
allenapgary_poster: 1530 UTC would be grand.12:10
gary_posterallenap: cool!  I'll put it on the calendar12:10
BjornTjml: i'm sure there's a way not to wrap on dashes (for web pages); we've spent a lot of effort trying to get things to actually wrap :)12:20
jmlBjornT, yeah. I'm mostly anxious for us to solve this problem exactly once :)12:31
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intellectronicaBjornT, jml: i think `a {whitespace: nowrap}` might be the fix for all links (haven't tried it yet, though)12:38
intellectronicajml: what about branch paths, though? do you really want to avoid wrapping them? sometimes wrapping links is useful12:38
BjornTjml: it's not that simple, since we actually want some links to wrap, i think12:38
jmlintellectronica, that would work if we never want to wrap links, which is a different thing from not wanting to wrap on '-' in links.12:39
BjornTjml: i.e., we've tried to solve this problem once already, but in the opposite direction!12:39
intellectronicajml: right. i don't know if there's a way to solve that. i somehow suspect there isn't. we should ask martin - he knows more about css12:39
jmlBjornT, heh12:40
jmlBjornT, so it's a matter of tweaking our solution?12:41
BjornTjml: yeah, i think so12:41
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sinzuibarry: bug 24656414:42
mupBug #246564: Roles and status should have an "Edit" icon in the project homepage <javascript> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <ui> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/246564>14:42
barryreviewers -> #launchpad-meeting in 3m14:57
barrybeuno: ping15:05
beunobarry, hi15:07
barrybeuno: hi.  was just wondering if you wanted to come over to #launchpad-meeting and say a few things about ui?  intellectronica is giving a good summary right now.  if not, that's cool15:08
beunobarry, I'm there, but on a call15:09
Fly-Man-Morning all15:16
Fly-Man-When is the next cleaning of the staging server planned ?15:16
beunoFly-Man-, it happens every 24hs, AFAIK15:18
Fly-Man-beuno: so the next redoing will be tomorrow 9 AM UTC ?15:18
beunoFly-Man-, I don't know the time15:18
sinzuibac; ready?16:01
bacyes16:01
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intellectronicaleonardr: hi. deryck and i are wondering what it would take to start using the latest version of restful in LP16:10
leonardrintellectronica: we'd need to upgrade to python 2.516:10
intellectronicaleonardr: in particular we're interested in getting r2716:10
deryckouch16:10
leonardrbecause the new version uses the wsgi standard library16:10
intellectronicaleonardr: oh ok. so is the pragmatic solution to backport this change?16:11
leonardrintellectronica: do you really mean r27 of lazr.restful? that's very old and not very interesting16:11
intellectronicado you know what's the eta on py2.5?16:11
deryckleonardr, it is interesting for bug 423924.16:11
mupBug #423924: Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description <inline-description> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924>16:11
deryckwhich is causing a lot of pain for people16:12
intellectronicaleonardr: no, i'm talking nonsense16:12
intellectronicaleonardr: i mean http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/lazr.restful/unicode-errors-bug-331990/revision/27?start_revid=2716:12
leonardrintellectronica: this is a branch you haven't landed yet?16:13
deryckisn't this r27 of lazr.restful trunk?16:13
intellectronicaleonardr: i'm pretty sure i have. i'm trying to locate the landing16:13
intellectronicaderyck: no, that's my own branch16:14
leonardrintellectronica, maybe you landed it on launchpad-pqm's branch instead of the lazr.restful trunk?16:14
deryckbzr log -r 27 bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk/16:14
leonardraaargh16:15
deryckthat would be the case then, right?  Wrong branch?16:15
intellectronicaderyck: no, you're right, it is r27 of trunk too16:15
intellectronicaand the timing looks correct. so the question is, is this revision not used in LP yet? it's quite old16:16
intellectronicaand if it is, then obviously the fix doesn't work16:16
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leonardrintellectronica: when you say "it is r27 of trunk", what is the url of "trunk"?16:17
leonardrr27 if lp:lazr.restful is this:16:17
leonardrtimestamp: Fri 2009-04-17 10:23:45 -040016:17
leonardr[r=gary] Add some features to the example web service necessary to test lazr.restfulclient.16:17
intellectronicaleonardr: the one owned by launchpad-pqm16:17
intellectronicabzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk16:17
leonardrok, i would say you already backported it16:18
leonardrbut didn't put it in the main release16:18
intellectronicaleonardr: but isn't the pqm-owned branch the one we're using in LP?16:18
leonardrthere's a chance that lazr.restful is now an external dependency and that we install it from an egg rather than using a pqm-managed branch16:18
deryckintellectronica, leonardr -- yes, it's an egg.  eggs/lazr.restful-0.9.5-py2.4.egg/lazr/restful/_resource.py doesn't have this change.16:19
leonardrwe should get rid of the pqm-managed branch, it is confusing a lot of people16:20
intellectronicaah ok, so we need to port this change to the new branch16:20
intellectronicaleonardr: yes, if it's no longer in use lets get it out of the way16:20
leonardrit looks like revisions 27-30 were all applied to this branch16:20
leonardrflacoste or gary_poster, can you confirm this? that ~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk is not in use and should be destroyed so it stops confusing people?16:20
deryckleonardr, by "applied to this branch" you mean the one in use by LP, or the one you want deleted?16:24
leonardrderyck: revisions 27-30 of the pqm-managed branch were not landed on lp:lazr.restful16:24
intellectronicaright, so we need to forward-port those, and then get a new egg for LP?16:24
leonardryeah16:24
deryckleonardr, right.  So is this just a matter of merging in those revisions and we'll be good?16:24
leonardryes, but 'get a new egg' is easier said than done due to the 2.5 thing16:24
deryckah, right.  crap.16:24
leonardrthe branches i have in review right now were meant to remove the 2.5 dependencies, but i couldn't remove all of them16:24
deryckleonardr, at the least, can we get r27 from the pqm branch.16:24
intellectronicai guess we could backport this into a branch right before the 2.5 deps are introduced. but that already gets quite complicated16:24
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leonardrgary will also know when the 2.5 work will be done. i think he's going to pair with someone next week to do it16:25
flacosteleonardr: it's not in use and can be dropped16:26
leonardrok16:27
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leonardri'll forward-port those 3 revisions, make sure there are no lost revisions, and then delete that branch16:27
leonardrthen we can figure out how to get it into launchpad16:27
intellectronicaleonardr: so can you take over the foundations task of bug #331990 ?16:28
mupBug #331990: The inline editor widget reports a JSON error when saving non-ASCII characters <javascript> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <lazr.restful:Fix Released by intellectronica> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/331990>16:28
leonardrwell, i can take over the lazr.restful task16:28
leonardrthen we'll deal with the foundations task. but there's no reason why you should have to worry about it, you're just the person who happened to notice the problem16:29
intellectronicaleonardr: i'm not worried at all :) but i guess deryck wants to have the fix for this cycle. it now causes several bugs, not just the one we fixed before16:30
deryckintellectronica, leonardr --exactly, but I can close bug 423924 as a dupe of 331990.  But I would like to see it this cycle, since the description field has cause for non-ascii frequently.16:31
mupBug #423924: Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description <inline-description> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924>16:31
kfogelderyck: I saw you milestoned bug #397188 -- thanks!16:35
deryckkfogel, np!  thanks for the poke about it.16:35
abentleyrockstar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97383016:43
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gary_posterleonardr: sorry it took so long to reply.  Is everything dealt with already?17:00
leonardrgary: no, i'm still not clear on how to make a custom egg for launchpad17:04
gary_posterleonardr: doc/buildout.txt in Launchpad has instructions on how to do this.  I'm also happy to answer questions.17:05
leonardrall right, i'll work on it once i land all the stuff i've already got in the air17:06
gary_posterleonardr: cool17:06
BjornTgary_poster: speaking of buildout, can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/lazr-js/buildoutification/+merge/13003 when you have time?17:11
BjornTflacoste: you might be interested to take a look as well ^^^17:12
gary_posterBjornT: will do.  I'll take lunch and then take a look.17:12
jmlhmmm.17:13
sinzuibac: I sent my sketch of the captcha17:23
jmlsinzui, can you please forward to me also?17:34
sinzuijml: sent17:44
leonardrintellectronica, it looks like yours was the only fix that wasn't already in the main lazr.restful trunk17:48
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intellectronicaleonardr: interesting. would you like me to prepare a branch, or have you already got one?17:49
leonardri've got one17:49
intellectronicaleonardr: cool, thanks17:52
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leonardrintellectronica: your test passes for me even when i don't make the change to _resource.py17:57
intellectronicaleonardr: oh17:59
mrevellNight nurse!18:01
intellectronicaoh dear18:02
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intellectronicaleonardr: so, do you think this was fixed independently, and the bug deryck was talking about it different? or is the test not good enough?18:02
leonardrmy gut feeling is the test isn't good enough18:03
leonardrdo you remember the test failing and then succeeding once you made that change?18:03
intellectronicaleonardr: tbh, no i don't remember, since i worked on it quite some time ago. i assume that was the case18:04
leonardrif that's the error you're getting, you've correctly identified the problem18:04
leonardr(ie. if "entity-body was not a well-formed json document" was the error)18:04
leonardrcan you reproduce the problem on the website and give me the string you used?18:05
intellectronicaleonardr: i'm trying to reproduce this with the old branch18:05
leonardractually maybe i ported the test wrong18:05
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leonardryes, that was the problem18:07
leonardrnever mind18:07
* intellectronica sighs with relief18:07
beunoderyck, ping18:10
deryckbeuno, hi18:10
beunoderyck, hi. I'd like to have a quick chat about the activity link18:10
deryckbeuno, ok.  Skype?18:11
beunocan we bring it back somewhere on the page, untul we have a conrete plan to show all the info?18:11
beunoderyck, I think IRC will do, but we can jump to skype if it doesn't  :)18:11
deryckbeuno, sure, I'm not opposed to bringing it back.  Just didn't want to have to think about where to bring it back. :)  And honestly, I thought we'd have more time to do activity work, but having said that....18:11
deryckbeuno, I wanted to talk to you about the bug page anyway.  Should we just work on a proper design rather than worrying too much about the link now, and include the link as part of the new design work?18:12
beunoderyck, how about at the end of the last comment?18:12
deryckbeuno, that's fine by me.18:13
beunowell, mdz was very worried about this, so if we can make him happy very cheaply, it may be worth doing18:13
beunoderyck, I'd love to talk about the bug page, I started a mockup on the plane  :)18:13
deryckbeuno, yes, it's cheap and trivial, we can do it this week.  But also, I would love to start thinking about the larger bug page design this week if we can.18:14
beunoderyck, lets do both18:14
deryckbeuno, right, sounds good.18:14
deryckbeuno, can you comment on the bug for the activity link with your thoughts about positioning?  Then, I'll assign to this milestone.18:15
beunoderyck, sure. Do you have the # handy?18:15
deryckbeuno, Bug #43681818:16
mupBug #436818: Bug Activity Log no longer linked in 3.0 UI <Launchpad Bugs:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/436818>18:16
beunoderyck, thanks. And lets schedule a call as well18:17
deryckbeuno, ok.  what day/time works for you?  Or do you want to just schedule me via the Google calendars, and I'll confirm? :)18:17
beunoderyck, I'll try the google calendar dance18:19
deryckbeuno, cool, thanks!18:19
leonardrgary, when you have a minute, can you look at allenap's comment on one of my branches? he suggests a patch that i don't think is necessary, but i'm also not sure why it didn't work for him18:32
leonardrit's at the beginning: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.authentication/initial-implementation/+merge/12989/comments/33576/+reply18:33
gary_posterk looking18:33
leonardr1. if this is necessary, why doesn't lazr.restful have it? should lazr.restful have it?18:33
leonardr2. shouldn't it be in the dependencies in setup.py rather than in buildout.cfg?18:33
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sinzuiI am feeling particularly dense today. I haver spent several minutes trying to get a 'smudge' of my screen. Meanwhile, the test I was running says it cannot decode a byte at position 22. Counting the line, I discover I types an acgraved 'รน'18:43
gary_poster1. van.testing in lazr.restful depends on wsgi_intercept.  That said, if lazr.restful imports wsgi_intercept itself, then yes, lazr.restful should have a direct dependency as well, for style purposes.  But practically, the connection is an indirect one for lazr.resfful18:43
gary_poster2. yes, setup.py18:43
gary_posterleonardr: ^^^18:43
leonardrgary, thanks18:44
gary_posternp18:44
bigjoolssinzui: lol18:48
leonardrflacoste, i don't have permission to delete or move-out-of-the-way https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk . can you do it or tell me who to talk to?19:19
leonardri'm gonna talk to herb in the meantime19:21
flacosteleonardr: herb isn't a LOSA anymore, talk to Chex or mbarnett19:21
leonardrah, thanks19:21
bacsinzui:  my gpg-agent problem was the use of pinentry-gtk-2.  when i hacked to use pinentry-x11 all is well.19:21
sinzuihmm19:22
sinzuibac: Thanks. I'll see if I can apply this knowledge to my calendar problem19:23
shrike_anyone install launchpad on sheevaplug (arm cpu)?19:32
leonardrgary: here's an idea. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/wsgiref19:35
leonardrif wsgiref is the only thing stopping lazr.restful from working with 2.4, let's make it an external dependency19:36
gary_posterleonardr: ah-ha!  there you go then.19:36
gary_poster+119:36
leonardri'll try to get it to work19:36
* rockstar lunches19:37
gary_postermaxb: so you know, we are going to have a two week "sprint" (in quotes because it is virtual) of me and a couple of other Canonical people to get Launchpad on Python 2.5 (must have) and hopefully Python 2.6 (I have an extra person to help because of that goal).  It will be the next two weeks (week of Oct 12 and Oct 19).19:48
gary_posterLet me know if/how you'd like to participate.  Even if you don't participate this time, your name will go in the halls of glory for the effort you've already made in this regard, but if you want to join in that would be fantastic.  I'll be doing some preparation the end of this week.19:48
maxbgary_poster: Ah, thanks. I have been meaning to try to push on with some more of the Python 2.5 stuff, this is a good reason to stop getting distracted :-)19:56
gary_postermaxb: cool :-)19:57
bachi barry20:17
barrybac: hi20:17
mwhudsongoor morning20:22
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kfogeljml: ping21:07
kfogeljml: (5 min or less question)21:07
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barrythumper, mwhudson, wgrant and any others -> #launchpad-meeting in 1m21:30
mwhudsonbarry: thumper isn't around21:30
barrymwhudson: ah.  do you still want to meet today?21:30
mwhudsonbarry: um, i guess, though we're still standing up21:31
barrymwhudson: oh, and rockstar21:31
barrymwhudson: ping me when you're done21:31
barrymwhudson: actually, give me 15m21:31
mwhudsonbarry: cool21:31
rockstarbarry, we're done.21:33
barryrockstar: ok.  now's a good time after all21:33
barrymwhudson, rockstar, wgrant, anyone else -> #launchpad-meeting21:33
maxb"Max, I think it's not daunting for you because, well, you're Max.  And Graham is also Max, or vice versa." --kfogel21:44
* maxb lols21:45
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barrybac ping23:32

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