[00:20]  * mwhudson lunches
[02:35] <rockstar> mwhudson, yo
[02:36] <mwhudson> rockstar: hi
[02:41] <rockstar> mwhudson, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/libvdpau/master WTF?
[02:42] <mwhudson> rockstar: i don't know
[02:43] <mwhudson> often that means there's whitespace at the end of the url, but that doesn't seem to be the case here
[03:08] <mwhudson> rockstar: it's also possible that it's a ~ vs %7E thing...
[03:12] <rockstar> mwhudson, *groan*
[03:13] <rockstar> mwhudson, that would seem to me that it would be the git server's issue.
[03:14] <mwhudson> rockstar: well just guesswork at this stage
[03:14] <mwhudson> i'll try it i guess
[03:15] <mwhudson> rockstar: nope, no difference
[03:17] <mwhudson> amusing
[03:17] <mwhudson> open thunderbird, 'select all' in a large email, switch to terminal, run xsel -o
[03:17] <mwhudson> --> thunderbird exits
[03:56] <mwhudson> gmb: i'm sure you shouldn't be on facebook right now
[06:05]  * mwhudson eods
[06:42] <al-maisan> Good morning!
[09:06] <mrevell> Hi!
[09:24] <adeuring> good mornin
[09:34] <jml> good morning
[11:00] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:13] <jml> good morning deryck
[11:13] <jml> I just saw bug 445302
[11:13] <mup> Bug #445302: dashed names wrapped in the tag cloud <Launchpad Bugs:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/445302>
[11:13] <jml> and I'm wondering whether there is a way for us to make sure that we never ever ever wrap on dashes in links.
[11:13] <jml> BjornT, ^^^ ?
[11:25] <bigjools> jml: use a nowrap style?
[11:26] <bigjools> james_w: would you be interested in going to a sprint to help us design BFB?
[11:26] <james_w> sure
[11:27] <bigjools> james_w: would December 7-11 work for you?
[11:27] <james_w> indeed it would
[11:27] <bigjools> cool - it might be a bit too late to do it then but UDS and other things get in the way :/
[11:28] <bigjools> I suppose we could have a session at UDS as well
[11:28] <james_w> yeah
[11:28] <james_w> we can certainly spend some time discussing it there
[11:32] <jml> Dec 7-11?
[11:32] <jml> hmm.
[11:33] <jml> bigjools, are you thinking NZ?
[11:33] <bigjools> jml: no
[11:33] <henninge-sprint> mrevell: Hi! ;) Please assign questions for translations to "rosetta-admins" instead of a single member of the team.
[11:33] <bigjools> Europe, prob London again
[11:33] <mrevell> henninge-sprint: will do
[11:33] <jml> bigjools, hmmm.
[11:33] <henninge-sprint> mrevell: cheers
[11:35] <bigjools> jml: wassup?
[11:35] <jml> bigjools, I'm in .au that week.
[11:35]  * bigjools facepalms
[11:36] <jml> bigjools, I can reschedule the flights though.
[11:36] <jml> actually, no I can't. Got to be at a wedding on the 12th.
[11:36] <bigjools> jml: it's a real headache organising this because of other sprints
[11:36] <jml> bigjools, yeah, I'll bet.
[11:36] <bigjools> the other options is to do it before 3.1.10 finishes
[11:37] <bigjools> flacoste was against that, but if it's easier then we have little choice
[11:41] <jml> bigjools, I think I agree with you.
[11:41] <bigjools> jml: we should have kept tim here for another week...oh well
[11:42] <bigjools> jml: so, fancy approving my MP? ;)
[11:42] <thumper> bigjools: that would not have happened  :)
[11:42] <jml> bigjools, I'll take a look at it :)
[11:42]  * thumper is configuring quassel
[11:42] <thumper> and not working
[11:42] <bigjools> ah thumper!
[11:43] <thumper> new laptop :)
[11:43] <bigjools> I don't think we're heading to NZ
[11:43] <bigjools> how is it?
[11:43] <thumper> fast
[11:43] <thumper> but webcam isn't working in karmic
[11:44] <jml> bigjools, if the sprint were in NZ, I could attend on the Dec dates :)
[11:45] <bigjools> it would make it more awkward for others though
[11:45] <bigjools> but I will bear it in mind
[11:48] <jml> bigjools, do you want to talk about this DB patch?
[11:48] <bigjools> jml: yes
[11:49] <jml> bigjools, would you prefer phone, email or IRC?
[11:49] <bigjools> jml: call me again if you like
[11:49] <jml> ok.
[12:06] <gary_poster> allenap: ping?
[12:06] <allenap> gary_poster: pong
[12:09] <gary_poster> allenap: hi!  It looks like I was the one missing a crucial detail in the MP, sorry about that.  That said, if you want to change the script to use Python 2.5 and be run with buildout, I think we could pretty easily.
[12:09] <gary_poster> But anyway, would you like to have a build engineer coordination call sometime today?  I'm not sure when your EOD is, but I could talk at 15:30 UTC or sometime between 18:00 and 19:00 UTC
[12:10] <allenap> gary_poster: 1530 UTC would be grand.
[12:10] <gary_poster> allenap: cool!  I'll put it on the calendar
[12:20] <BjornT> jml: i'm sure there's a way not to wrap on dashes (for web pages); we've spent a lot of effort trying to get things to actually wrap :)
[12:31] <jml> BjornT, yeah. I'm mostly anxious for us to solve this problem exactly once :)
[12:38] <intellectronica> BjornT, jml: i think `a {whitespace: nowrap}` might be the fix for all links (haven't tried it yet, though)
[12:38] <intellectronica> jml: what about branch paths, though? do you really want to avoid wrapping them? sometimes wrapping links is useful
[12:38] <BjornT> jml: it's not that simple, since we actually want some links to wrap, i think
[12:39] <jml> intellectronica, that would work if we never want to wrap links, which is a different thing from not wanting to wrap on '-' in links.
[12:39] <BjornT> jml: i.e., we've tried to solve this problem once already, but in the opposite direction!
[12:39] <intellectronica> jml: right. i don't know if there's a way to solve that. i somehow suspect there isn't. we should ask martin - he knows more about css
[12:40] <jml> BjornT, heh
[12:41] <jml> BjornT, so it's a matter of tweaking our solution?
[12:41] <BjornT> jml: yeah, i think so
[14:42] <sinzui> barry: bug 246564
[14:42] <mup> Bug #246564: Roles and status should have an "Edit" icon in the project homepage <javascript> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <ui> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/246564>
[14:57] <barry> reviewers -> #launchpad-meeting in 3m
[15:05] <barry> beuno: ping
[15:07] <beuno> barry, hi
[15:08] <barry> beuno: hi.  was just wondering if you wanted to come over to #launchpad-meeting and say a few things about ui?  intellectronica is giving a good summary right now.  if not, that's cool
[15:09] <beuno> barry, I'm there, but on a call
[15:16] <Fly-Man-> Morning all
[15:16] <Fly-Man-> When is the next cleaning of the staging server planned ?
[15:18] <beuno> Fly-Man-, it happens every 24hs, AFAIK
[15:18] <Fly-Man-> beuno: so the next redoing will be tomorrow 9 AM UTC ?
[15:18] <beuno> Fly-Man-, I don't know the time
[16:01] <sinzui> bac; ready?
[16:01] <bac> yes
[16:10] <intellectronica> leonardr: hi. deryck and i are wondering what it would take to start using the latest version of restful in LP
[16:10] <leonardr> intellectronica: we'd need to upgrade to python 2.5
[16:10] <intellectronica> leonardr: in particular we're interested in getting r27
[16:10] <deryck> ouch
[16:10] <leonardr> because the new version uses the wsgi standard library
[16:11] <intellectronica> leonardr: oh ok. so is the pragmatic solution to backport this change?
[16:11] <leonardr> intellectronica: do you really mean r27 of lazr.restful? that's very old and not very interesting
[16:11] <intellectronica> do you know what's the eta on py2.5?
[16:11] <deryck> leonardr, it is interesting for bug 423924.
[16:11] <mup> Bug #423924: Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description <inline-description> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924>
[16:12] <deryck> which is causing a lot of pain for people
[16:12] <intellectronica> leonardr: no, i'm talking nonsense
[16:12] <intellectronica> leonardr: i mean http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/lazr.restful/unicode-errors-bug-331990/revision/27?start_revid=27
[16:13] <leonardr> intellectronica: this is a branch you haven't landed yet?
[16:13] <deryck> isn't this r27 of lazr.restful trunk?
[16:13] <intellectronica> leonardr: i'm pretty sure i have. i'm trying to locate the landing
[16:14] <intellectronica> deryck: no, that's my own branch
[16:14] <leonardr> intellectronica, maybe you landed it on launchpad-pqm's branch instead of the lazr.restful trunk?
[16:14] <deryck> bzr log -r 27 bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk/
[16:15] <leonardr> aaargh
[16:15] <deryck> that would be the case then, right?  Wrong branch?
[16:15] <intellectronica> deryck: no, you're right, it is r27 of trunk too
[16:16] <intellectronica> and the timing looks correct. so the question is, is this revision not used in LP yet? it's quite old
[16:16] <intellectronica> and if it is, then obviously the fix doesn't work
[16:17] <leonardr> intellectronica: when you say "it is r27 of trunk", what is the url of "trunk"?
[16:17] <leonardr> r27 if lp:lazr.restful is this:
[16:17] <leonardr> timestamp: Fri 2009-04-17 10:23:45 -0400
[16:17] <leonardr> [r=gary] Add some features to the example web service necessary to test lazr.restfulclient.
[16:17] <intellectronica> leonardr: the one owned by launchpad-pqm
[16:17] <intellectronica> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk
[16:18] <leonardr> ok, i would say you already backported it
[16:18] <leonardr> but didn't put it in the main release
[16:18] <intellectronica> leonardr: but isn't the pqm-owned branch the one we're using in LP?
[16:18] <leonardr> there's a chance that lazr.restful is now an external dependency and that we install it from an egg rather than using a pqm-managed branch
[16:19] <deryck> intellectronica, leonardr -- yes, it's an egg.  eggs/lazr.restful-0.9.5-py2.4.egg/lazr/restful/_resource.py doesn't have this change.
[16:20] <leonardr> we should get rid of the pqm-managed branch, it is confusing a lot of people
[16:20] <intellectronica> ah ok, so we need to port this change to the new branch
[16:20] <intellectronica> leonardr: yes, if it's no longer in use lets get it out of the way
[16:20] <leonardr> it looks like revisions 27-30 were all applied to this branch
[16:20] <leonardr> flacoste or gary_poster, can you confirm this? that ~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk is not in use and should be destroyed so it stops confusing people?
[16:24] <deryck> leonardr, by "applied to this branch" you mean the one in use by LP, or the one you want deleted?
[16:24] <leonardr> deryck: revisions 27-30 of the pqm-managed branch were not landed on lp:lazr.restful
[16:24] <intellectronica> right, so we need to forward-port those, and then get a new egg for LP?
[16:24] <leonardr> yeah
[16:24] <deryck> leonardr, right.  So is this just a matter of merging in those revisions and we'll be good?
[16:24] <leonardr> yes, but 'get a new egg' is easier said than done due to the 2.5 thing
[16:24] <deryck> ah, right.  crap.
[16:24] <leonardr> the branches i have in review right now were meant to remove the 2.5 dependencies, but i couldn't remove all of them
[16:24] <deryck> leonardr, at the least, can we get r27 from the pqm branch.
[16:24] <intellectronica> i guess we could backport this into a branch right before the 2.5 deps are introduced. but that already gets quite complicated
[16:25] <leonardr> gary will also know when the 2.5 work will be done. i think he's going to pair with someone next week to do it
[16:26] <flacoste> leonardr: it's not in use and can be dropped
[16:27] <leonardr> ok
[16:27] <leonardr> i'll forward-port those 3 revisions, make sure there are no lost revisions, and then delete that branch
[16:27] <leonardr> then we can figure out how to get it into launchpad
[16:28] <intellectronica> leonardr: so can you take over the foundations task of bug #331990 ?
[16:28] <mup> Bug #331990: The inline editor widget reports a JSON error when saving non-ASCII characters <javascript> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <lazr.restful:Fix Released by intellectronica> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/331990>
[16:28] <leonardr> well, i can take over the lazr.restful task
[16:29] <leonardr> then we'll deal with the foundations task. but there's no reason why you should have to worry about it, you're just the person who happened to notice the problem
[16:30] <intellectronica> leonardr: i'm not worried at all :) but i guess deryck wants to have the fix for this cycle. it now causes several bugs, not just the one we fixed before
[16:31] <deryck> intellectronica, leonardr --exactly, but I can close bug 423924 as a dupe of 331990.  But I would like to see it this cycle, since the description field has cause for non-ascii frequently.
[16:31] <mup> Bug #423924: Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document when updating bug description <inline-description> <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Bugs:In Progress by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/423924>
[16:35] <kfogel> deryck: I saw you milestoned bug #397188 -- thanks!
[16:35] <deryck> kfogel, np!  thanks for the poke about it.
[16:43] <abentley> rockstar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=973830
[17:00] <gary_poster> leonardr: sorry it took so long to reply.  Is everything dealt with already?
[17:04] <leonardr> gary: no, i'm still not clear on how to make a custom egg for launchpad
[17:05] <gary_poster> leonardr: doc/buildout.txt in Launchpad has instructions on how to do this.  I'm also happy to answer questions.
[17:06] <leonardr> all right, i'll work on it once i land all the stuff i've already got in the air
[17:06] <gary_poster> leonardr: cool
[17:11] <BjornT> gary_poster: speaking of buildout, can you take a look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bjornt/lazr-js/buildoutification/+merge/13003 when you have time?
[17:12] <BjornT> flacoste: you might be interested to take a look as well ^^^
[17:12] <gary_poster> BjornT: will do.  I'll take lunch and then take a look.
[17:13] <jml> hmmm.
[17:23] <sinzui> bac: I sent my sketch of the captcha
[17:34] <jml> sinzui, can you please forward to me also?
[17:44] <sinzui> jml: sent
[17:48] <leonardr> intellectronica, it looks like yours was the only fix that wasn't already in the main lazr.restful trunk
[17:49] <intellectronica> leonardr: interesting. would you like me to prepare a branch, or have you already got one?
[17:49] <leonardr> i've got one
[17:52] <intellectronica> leonardr: cool, thanks
[17:57] <leonardr> intellectronica: your test passes for me even when i don't make the change to _resource.py
[17:59] <intellectronica> leonardr: oh
[18:01] <mrevell> Night nurse!
[18:02] <intellectronica> oh dear
[18:02] <intellectronica> leonardr: so, do you think this was fixed independently, and the bug deryck was talking about it different? or is the test not good enough?
[18:03] <leonardr> my gut feeling is the test isn't good enough
[18:03] <leonardr> do you remember the test failing and then succeeding once you made that change?
[18:04] <intellectronica> leonardr: tbh, no i don't remember, since i worked on it quite some time ago. i assume that was the case
[18:04] <leonardr> if that's the error you're getting, you've correctly identified the problem
[18:04] <leonardr> (ie. if "entity-body was not a well-formed json document" was the error)
[18:05] <leonardr> can you reproduce the problem on the website and give me the string you used?
[18:05] <intellectronica> leonardr: i'm trying to reproduce this with the old branch
[18:05] <leonardr> actually maybe i ported the test wrong
[18:07] <leonardr> yes, that was the problem
[18:07] <leonardr> never mind
[18:07]  * intellectronica sighs with relief
[18:10] <beuno> deryck, ping
[18:10] <deryck> beuno, hi
[18:10] <beuno> deryck, hi. I'd like to have a quick chat about the activity link
[18:11] <deryck> beuno, ok.  Skype?
[18:11] <beuno> can we bring it back somewhere on the page, untul we have a conrete plan to show all the info?
[18:11] <beuno> deryck, I think IRC will do, but we can jump to skype if it doesn't  :)
[18:11] <deryck> beuno, sure, I'm not opposed to bringing it back.  Just didn't want to have to think about where to bring it back. :)  And honestly, I thought we'd have more time to do activity work, but having said that....
[18:12] <deryck> beuno, I wanted to talk to you about the bug page anyway.  Should we just work on a proper design rather than worrying too much about the link now, and include the link as part of the new design work?
[18:12] <beuno> deryck, how about at the end of the last comment?
[18:13] <deryck> beuno, that's fine by me.
[18:13] <beuno> well, mdz was very worried about this, so if we can make him happy very cheaply, it may be worth doing
[18:13] <beuno> deryck, I'd love to talk about the bug page, I started a mockup on the plane  :)
[18:14] <deryck> beuno, yes, it's cheap and trivial, we can do it this week.  But also, I would love to start thinking about the larger bug page design this week if we can.
[18:14] <beuno> deryck, lets do both
[18:14] <deryck> beuno, right, sounds good.
[18:15] <deryck> beuno, can you comment on the bug for the activity link with your thoughts about positioning?  Then, I'll assign to this milestone.
[18:15] <beuno> deryck, sure. Do you have the # handy?
[18:16] <deryck> beuno, Bug #436818
[18:16] <mup> Bug #436818: Bug Activity Log no longer linked in 3.0 UI <Launchpad Bugs:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/436818>
[18:17] <beuno> deryck, thanks. And lets schedule a call as well
[18:17] <deryck> beuno, ok.  what day/time works for you?  Or do you want to just schedule me via the Google calendars, and I'll confirm? :)
[18:19] <beuno> deryck, I'll try the google calendar dance
[18:19] <deryck> beuno, cool, thanks!
[18:32] <leonardr> gary, when you have a minute, can you look at allenap's comment on one of my branches? he suggests a patch that i don't think is necessary, but i'm also not sure why it didn't work for him
[18:33] <leonardr> it's at the beginning: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/lazr.authentication/initial-implementation/+merge/12989/comments/33576/+reply
[18:33] <gary_poster> k looking
[18:33] <leonardr> 1. if this is necessary, why doesn't lazr.restful have it? should lazr.restful have it?
[18:33] <leonardr> 2. shouldn't it be in the dependencies in setup.py rather than in buildout.cfg?
[18:43] <sinzui> I am feeling particularly dense today. I haver spent several minutes trying to get a 'smudge' of my screen. Meanwhile, the test I was running says it cannot decode a byte at position 22. Counting the line, I discover I types an acgraved 'ù'
[18:43] <gary_poster> 1. van.testing in lazr.restful depends on wsgi_intercept.  That said, if lazr.restful imports wsgi_intercept itself, then yes, lazr.restful should have a direct dependency as well, for style purposes.  But practically, the connection is an indirect one for lazr.resfful
[18:43] <gary_poster> 2. yes, setup.py
[18:43] <gary_poster> leonardr: ^^^
[18:44] <leonardr> gary, thanks
[18:44] <gary_poster> np
[18:48] <bigjools> sinzui: lol
[19:19] <leonardr> flacoste, i don't have permission to delete or move-out-of-the-way https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/lazr.restful/trunk . can you do it or tell me who to talk to?
[19:21] <leonardr> i'm gonna talk to herb in the meantime
[19:21] <flacoste> leonardr: herb isn't a LOSA anymore, talk to Chex or mbarnett
[19:21] <leonardr> ah, thanks
[19:21] <bac> sinzui:  my gpg-agent problem was the use of pinentry-gtk-2.  when i hacked to use pinentry-x11 all is well.
[19:22] <sinzui> hmm
[19:23] <sinzui> bac: Thanks. I'll see if I can apply this knowledge to my calendar problem
[19:32] <shrike_> anyone install launchpad on sheevaplug (arm cpu)?
[19:35] <leonardr> gary: here's an idea. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/wsgiref
[19:36] <leonardr> if wsgiref is the only thing stopping lazr.restful from working with 2.4, let's make it an external dependency
[19:36] <gary_poster> leonardr: ah-ha!  there you go then.
[19:36] <gary_poster> +1
[19:36] <leonardr> i'll try to get it to work
[19:37]  * rockstar lunches
[19:48] <gary_poster> maxb: so you know, we are going to have a two week "sprint" (in quotes because it is virtual) of me and a couple of other Canonical people to get Launchpad on Python 2.5 (must have) and hopefully Python 2.6 (I have an extra person to help because of that goal).  It will be the next two weeks (week of Oct 12 and Oct 19).
[19:48] <gary_poster> Let me know if/how you'd like to participate.  Even if you don't participate this time, your name will go in the halls of glory for the effort you've already made in this regard, but if you want to join in that would be fantastic.  I'll be doing some preparation the end of this week.
[19:56] <maxb> gary_poster: Ah, thanks. I have been meaning to try to push on with some more of the Python 2.5 stuff, this is a good reason to stop getting distracted :-)
[19:57] <gary_poster> maxb: cool :-)
[20:17] <bac> hi barry
[20:17] <barry> bac: hi
[20:22] <mwhudson> goor morning
[21:07] <kfogel> jml: ping
[21:07] <kfogel> jml: (5 min or less question)
[21:30] <barry> thumper, mwhudson, wgrant and any others -> #launchpad-meeting in 1m
[21:30] <mwhudson> barry: thumper isn't around
[21:30] <barry> mwhudson: ah.  do you still want to meet today?
[21:31] <mwhudson> barry: um, i guess, though we're still standing up
[21:31] <barry> mwhudson: oh, and rockstar
[21:31] <barry> mwhudson: ping me when you're done
[21:31] <barry> mwhudson: actually, give me 15m
[21:31] <mwhudson> barry: cool
[21:33] <rockstar> barry, we're done.
[21:33] <barry> rockstar: ok.  now's a good time after all
[21:33] <barry> mwhudson, rockstar, wgrant, anyone else -> #launchpad-meeting
[21:44] <maxb> "Max, I think it's not daunting for you because, well, you're Max.  And Graham is also Max, or vice versa." --kfogel
[21:45]  * maxb lols
[23:32] <barry> bac ping