[00:02] <yofel> commander_: Not really, you would have to upgrade 8.04->8.10->9.04->9.10, I think a fresh install would be better if you really want karmic
[00:02] <MCROnline_> jetrii:  this has happened when one of my keys was stuck down (by my kids) i think it was the printscreen key in my case
[00:02] <euxneks> installing ubuntu karmic koala on a virtualbox and there are links in the installer
[00:03] <euxneks> this is after I select "Install Ubuntu" and do a clean install
[00:03] <jetrii> MCROnline_: It only happens to gnome, KDE and XFCE boot up fine.
[00:03] <euxneks> I click a link and it opens firefox but not until after a couple of times firefox complains at me
[00:03] <MCROnline_> jetrii have you checked it isnt remembering a session that this happened in..?
[00:04] <jetrii> Also, the applications seem to open and close very quickly. They close themselves before I can kill them, making the entire tree pretty hard to close
[00:04] <jetrii> It's not
[00:04] <JazzplayerL9> So last update my files all lost their associations and now everything opens with gedit or openoffice including pictures and PDFs, any fix?
[00:04] <jetrii> Only way to get rid of it is to logout which sends a kill signal to all of them then cancel the logout as soon as the last Nautilus window is closed
[00:05] <yofel> JazzplayerL9: see bug 444962
[00:05] <JazzplayerL9> Thanks
[00:05] <yofel> o.=
[00:06] <yofel> bug 444962
[00:06] <yofel> :)
[00:11] <commander_> i figured tht thanks
[00:12] <euxneks> oh wow
[00:13] <euxneks> that's a fast boot
[00:13] <test34> I like how when a modal windows is in use the one underneath becomes dark gray
[00:13] <funkyHat> I appear to have lost some svg icons, or something *is confused*
[00:14] <meff> hey all.. i cant pinpoint which pkg did it, but all a sudden all my icons are fuxord.. i cant pick them in launcher dialogs and other places they've disappeared
[00:14] <meff> help would be great
[00:15] <MCROnline_> known bug mate, read ubotto
[00:15] <MCROnline_> Launchpad bug 444962 in shared-mime-info "shared-mime-info-0.7-ubuntu1 update is broken"
[00:15] <meff> ahh i figured it might've been that
[00:15] <meff> thank you :)
[00:16] <test34> I guess I will uncheck shared-mime-info then
[00:16] <meff> is there a website or whatnot where broken packages are shown as discovered?
[00:16] <MCROnline_> launchpad
[00:16] <yofel> meff: the only page that keeps track of that is the bug tracker
[00:17]  * meff nods
[00:17] <meff> thanks
[00:17] <cbmuser> hey, whats with the bootsplash? karmic is coming in three weeks and there is still nothing but text console.
[00:17] <cbmuser> I have seen many people being confused about it
[00:17] <DopeGhoti> cbmuser: odd; I have seen the xsplash working just fine
[00:18] <meff> i dont get teh splash either.. on my Eee or PC
[00:18] <meff> who knows :)
[00:18] <cbmuser> xsplash is working
[00:18] <cbmuser> but
[00:18] <MCROnline_> me neither... but as long as the pc starts =)
[00:18] <cbmuser> the time between grub and gdm is way too long to be just blank
[00:18] <Martyn> Hmm .. I haven't tried the NBR
[00:18] <Martyn> I should install it on my Lenovo S10 and see what happens
[00:19] <cbmuser> I don't understand why they're not using kms
[00:19] <Martyn> cbmuser : I haven't seen bootsplash (from grub) but I do see the xsplash
[00:19] <cbmuser> I have seen the incoming artworks in the wiki
[00:19] <Martyn> I know that my video card doesn't suppot 640x480 in VBE
[00:19] <Martyn> but it does support 1024x600 easily
[00:20] <cbmuser> my card even supports kms
[00:20] <Martyn> I've had to tweak my settings in /etc/default/grub
[00:20] <Martyn> cbmuser : Do you have a link to the page with the artwork?
[00:20] <Martyn> I'd love to see it :)
[00:20] <cbmuser> as far as I understand, the idea was to start gdm as soon as possible
[00:21] <cbmuser> and then do all the splash artwork in X
[00:21] <cbmuser> but gdm takes too long to start
[00:21] <DopeGhoti> From what I read, it was about minimizing the number of screenmode changes
[00:21] <Martyn> Yep
[00:21] <Martyn> and it does do that
[00:21] <MCROnline_> starting gdm a.s.a.p is best.
[00:21]  * Martyn wants to see the bootsplash art!
[00:21] <Martyn> -grin-
[00:21] <cbmuser> Martyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[00:21] <DopeGhoti> Indeed, some of those mockups are beautiful
[00:21] <SilentDis> hello, just installed beta Kubuntu 9.10, my alsa sound devices freaked out.  for example, they all list as 'default'.  i had them named, and working under everything (wine and the like) in 9.04.  i remember it was an alsactl command to fix this, but can't remember the exact paramaters to pass.  anyone seen anything similar?
[00:22] <cbmuser> DopeGhoti: but there *is* kms
[00:22] <cbmuser> why such homebrew stuff
[00:22] <cbmuser> kms was conceived right for that
[00:23] <cbmuser> look at Fedora with plymouth, they have awesome boot animations
[00:23] <Martyn> I see...
[00:23] <Martyn> Mr. Doob boot  interation 5 is what won out
[00:23] <Martyn> I do see that splash :)
[00:23] <Martyn> and I have to admit that the silent grub2 is .. odd but not offputting
[00:23] <funkyHat> The idea is to get X up as soon as possible, so why not put the splash in the normal X, loading up another splash will just slow it down, apparently.
[00:24] <cbmuser> but you don't need that if you use kms
[00:24] <cbmuser> the kernel sets the proper mode directly after grub
[00:24] <cbmuser> and there are no more modeswitches
[00:24] <cbmuser> you can even fade in the gdm login pane over the text console
[00:24] <xguru> what is gnome-shell?
[00:25] <xguru> new feature?
[00:25] <cbmuser> the new UI of gnome 3.0
[00:25] <funkyHat> horribleness
[00:25] <Martyn> cbmuser : On platforms where kms breaks though ( Some nVidia cards .. even some ATI cards! ) it breaks -hard-
[00:25] <cbmuser> it is a replacement for metacity, to be more exact
[00:25] <Martyn> with no graceful failure modes
[00:25] <xguru> ah, ok
[00:25] <DopeGhoti> cbmuser: indeed, what Martyn said.
[00:26] <cbmuser> so? plymouth has a fallback if kms is not well-supported
[00:26] <SilentDis> alright... another question.  I have a 64-bit chip in my box, would like to push to 64-bit linux with 9.10.  will i have any headaches with wine apps because of this?
[00:26] <blackcoffeerider> hello
[00:27] <cbmuser> SilentDis: no, not really
[00:27] <nick125> shouldn't.
[00:27] <nick125> I've been running 64-bit for a long time and I've never had WINE issues.
[00:27] <cbmuser> the only apps which can cause pain are Skype and acroread, they're not native 64 bits
[00:28] <cbmuser> even flash has managed the leap towards 64bits, even though it took them ages
[00:28] <SilentDis> cbmuser:  thanks.  I'll just do a reinstall then, i've been holding off specifically because of that. :)
[00:28] <cbmuser> my Debian box at work runs on 64 bit for over a year now, I think
[00:28] <cbmuser> no problems whatsoever
[00:29] <SilentDis> one final question then, since i'll just be reinstalling now, i have / and /home on different partitions, and would rather like to just keep /home unformatted for the time.  should i kill off anything in ~/ to make this easier?
[00:29] <test34> cbmuser, my skype works fine in 64bit with 32bit libs except for the fact that I can't choose a different output for ringing and speakers with Skype 2.1 Beta (but I had the same problem with a 32 bit system)
[00:29] <blackcoffeerider> hey guys
[00:30] <cbmuser> test34: I know, my Skype runs well on amd64 as well
[00:30] <cbmuser> there's just the issue with the avatar icons
[00:30] <cbmuser> they don't show on 64bits unless you apply a hack
[00:31] <ghendar> SilentDis, define "kill off"
[00:31] <SilentDis> ghendar: any particular config files i should delete in ~/ before reinstalling.  for example, ~/.kde or the like
[00:31] <cbmuser> SilentDis: just backup everything
[00:32] <cbmuser> don't need to dump everything because of 32->64bits
[00:32] <SilentDis> cbmuser: therein lies the problem, heh.  it's become... difficult to backup a 1TB drive that's mostly full.  and payday isn't for 2 weeks, so I can't go out and buy a 1TB drive lol
[00:32] <ghendar> SilentDis, if you want to go back to the defaults
[00:33] <ghendar> SilentDis, backups are always recommended
[00:33] <cbmuser> SilentDis: you have gigabytes in your .-folders?
[00:33] <SilentDis> cbmuser: i'm having all sorts of sound issues after going 9.04 to 9.10.  most of the mission critical stuff is backed up, but some movies and music aren't.
[00:33] <test34> SilentDis, you could create a new user or rename your current one
[00:34] <SilentDis> test34: that's a good idea, actually.  just name it backup and give myself proper access when i get over, and i can pull in any settings i absolutely need.  thanks :)
[00:34] <blackcoffeerider> I'm having a problem with the framebuffer console, it is just black... - Nvidia 185 driver works with X11 - Kernel 2.6.31-11-generic x86_64 - GFX Card: GeForce 8600 GT 10de:0402
[00:34] <cbmuser> SilentDis: "sound issue" is too generic
[00:34] <SilentDis> cbmuser: i mentioned it earlier, no one responded.
[00:34] <blackcoffeerider> running Karmic by the way
[00:34] <test34> SilentDis, np, thats exactly what I do when I want to start clean;)
[00:35] <SilentDis> cbmuser: besides, it is beta, might as well test out the installer too, and report back any problems i have :)
[00:36] <SilentDis> cbmuser: the only things i really wanna save is ~/Music, ~/Video and ~/.wine (admitted WoW addict) *blush*
[00:37] <SilentDis> before i do this... might as well be absolutely certain... quick way to check my processor chipset?  I'm 99% certain it's an AMD64, but i want to be sure i grab the right item :)
[00:37] <legend2440> i just applied the latest updates for karmic and now all of my  file associations are messed up. for example   avi's open with gedit and html open with gedit.there was one update called  shared-mime-info that i think is the culprit. anyone else seen this problem?
[00:38] <cbmuser> SilentDis: well, I am in the channel all the time but not at the keyboard ;)
[00:38] <test34> How can I find out when was the latest change to gspca in the kernel?
[00:39] <Martyn> okay, install of the beta on a lenovo S10-2 failed
[00:39] <Martyn> at CD boot
[00:39] <Martyn> sad
[00:39] <Martyn> I'm going to download the alternate-install just in case
[00:39] <iflema> try another cd....
[00:40] <Martyn> I may switch to trying USB install
[00:40] <yofel> legend2440: see bug 444962
[00:40] <cbmuser> I just rebooted my karmic machine after a longer time to see if the bootsplash has changed over the recent updates
[00:40] <SilentDis> take care, and thanks all.  pulling installer torrent now :)
[00:40] <cbmuser> but it's still very ugly
[00:41] <Martyn> but it -does- work
[00:41] <cbmuser> if it's not going to change, people will definetely complain
[00:41] <Martyn> and it looks like we'd expect
[00:41] <cbmuser> it takes too long
[00:41] <iflema> is the beta iso a live boot image or just for install????
[00:41] <Martyn> live and install
[00:41] <maco> iflema: both
[00:41] <cbmuser> Martyn: why not put the shutdown splash between grub and gdm
[00:41] <cbmuser> ?
[00:41] <cbmuser> that one looks nice
[00:42] <Martyn> that's an extra videomode change
[00:45] <cbmuser> Martyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/443282
[00:45] <cbmuser> do you think that's a nice bootsplash?
[00:48] <legend2440> yofel: thank you
[00:49] <yofel> legend2440: np
[00:52] <sheldon_85> hi anyone have some troubles with mime types ??
[00:52] <sheldon_85> all of my files don t have the mime type
[00:52] <sheldon_85> on my karmic
[00:53] <yofel> sheldon_85: add yourself to bug 444962
[00:53] <sheldon_85> ok
[01:00] <blackcoffeerider> anyone having the same fbconsole issue as me mentioned before no?
[01:03] <zen|tao> blackcoffeerider: Didn't see what you said before; but karmic borked my framebuffer :( [ on  nvidia 9600GT ]
[01:03] <ghendar> whoa... plasma desktop just died... looks so weird now
[01:05] <blackcoffeerider> zen|tao: same thing here with a 8600 gt
[01:05] <blackcoffeerider> ghendar: strange little artefacts everywhere?
[01:06] <blackcoffeerider> ghendar: with smal pieces of colors
[01:06] <ghendar> blackcoffeerider, no, it just went to black
[01:06] <zen|tao> Also got strange video playback issues - my .mov files playback colours are on acid o_0
[01:06] <murielgodoi> hi guys, I just update my 9.10 and I lose all Brazilian Portuguese language which I set in my install, Is that common or a bug?
[01:06] <ghendar> blackcoffeerider, existing apps survived though ;)
[01:07] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: sounds like a bug
[01:07] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: nao tive problemas com o sistema alemao
[01:08] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: mas nem com as traducoes brasileiros
[01:08] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: I not no success on setting it again on "Language Support"
[01:08] <blackcoffeerider> zen|tao: what have you tried so far
[01:09] <murielgodoi> murielgodoi: let's keep writing in english, so others can also help
[01:09] <ghendar> what the.... it just did it again!  Apearently it doesn't want me to write this email in tbird :/
[01:09] <zen|tao> blackcoffeerider: turning it off! lol
[01:09] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: let's keep writing in english, so others can also help
[01:09] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: sudo apt-get install language-pack-br
[01:09] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: sorry ;-)
[01:10] <ipatrol> Why is the update manager syaing 'distribution upgrade' ?
[01:10] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: actually i am not sure wether or not i did that with german and brazilian portuguese anyway
[01:10] <thiebaude> hi blackcoffeerider
[01:10] <thiebaude> long time no see,lol
[01:11] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: lol
[01:11] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: seems as if i am not alone with that framebuffer screwup since karmic
[01:12] <thiebaude> blackcoffeerider, ok, is there a fix?
[01:12] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: none so far....
[01:12] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: I will restart X to check if that package install solved my problem
[01:12] <thiebaude> hopefully by Oct 29th
[01:13] <ghendar> comcast is throttling and making updates slow like dialup speeds
[01:14] <ipatrol> Have we explored an update-via-bittorrent system?
[01:15] <thiebaude> http://www.linux.com/media-library/videos/108558-linuxcon-roundtable-the-linux-kernel-straight-from-the-source-
[01:15] <zen|tao> blackcoffeerider: Are you having any video playback (colour) isuues?
[01:15] <ipatrol> All ubuntu systems come with Transmission don't they?
[01:15] <blackcoffeerider> zen|tao: only minor ones small colorartifacts every now and then
[01:15] <blackcoffeerider> ipatrol: yes they do
[01:16] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: hi
[01:16] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: no success :(
[01:16] <ipatrol> so we could use transmission to update via bittorrent
[01:16] <ipatrol> If transmission has a CLI, all we need to do is use it
[01:16] <Dai> !apt-torrent | ipatrol
[01:16] <ipatrol> thx ubottu
[01:17] <thiebaude> !ubottu
[01:18] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: My system is part in English,  part in Portuguese as before... any hint?
[01:18] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: could you please check if libdirectfb-bin is installed on your system
[01:18] <ipatrol> I know ubottu is a bot ;-)
[01:18] <thiebaude> blackcoffeerider, yes 1 sec
[01:18] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: which part is english whcih in portuguese_
[01:19] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: all mixed, for example some aplications names in gnome menu are in english others in portuguese
[01:19] <thiebaude> blackcoffeerider, not it isn't but now it is
[01:19] <blackcoffeerider> dough!
[01:20] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: aptitude messages are in portuguese in terminal
[01:20] <thiebaude> blackcoffeerider, what does it do?
[01:20] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: r u running gnome or kde?
[01:20] <thiebaude> libdirect
[01:20] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: gnome
[01:21] <thiebaude> blackcoffeerider, its in synaptic
[01:21] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: no i just thought it might be an issue with me not having that install causing my framebuffer to fail....
[01:21] <thiebaude> ok
[01:21] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: but since it wasnt installed at your place its probably unrelated
[01:22] <thiebaude> yea, no problems
[01:24] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: See my mixed language desktop http://yfrog.com/04screenshotnuj
[01:25] <ArkoldThos> anyone having problems with tuxguitar on karmic?
[01:26] <thiebaude> murielgodoi, wow, that is weird
[01:26] <ricardoromao> hello, anyone knows how to permit desktop users to halt the computer without password on 9.10 ?
[01:27] <murielgodoi> thiebaude: yep.. I got that even reinstalling language-pack-br and restarting the X
[01:27] <NoelJB> ricardoromao, just works for me.  I just did it.
[01:27] <murielgodoi> ricardoromao: There is a option for that in the wizard install
[01:27] <NoelJB> except I cancelled it.
[01:27] <thiebaude> murielgodoi, did you check if there any bugs on that?
[01:28] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: sudo apt-get install language-support-pt ?
[01:28] <murielgodoi> thiebaude: you mean, on language-pack-br package?
[01:28] <ricardoromao> murielgodoi, NoelJB I installed for just one user, and after the installation I create the another user
[01:28] <thiebaude> yes
[01:28] <thiebaude> murielgodoi,
[01:28] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: remove language-pack-br it is for bretonic ;-P
[01:28] <blackcoffeerider> i'm not sure it was before
[01:29] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: woot!
[01:29] <ricardoromao> and when my user or the other try to reboot or halt the system, ubuntu asks me the password
[01:29] <ricardoromao> but the other user don't need to know the root password
[01:29] <BLUELION1> HI ALLL
[01:29] <NoelJB> ipatrol, see also the apt-transport-debtorrent package
[01:29] <BLUELION1> freaks
[01:30] <c_korn> using update-manager does not upgrade but waits for other tasks to finish. but I do not have any other apt tasks running
[01:32] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: check it! apt-cache search language-support-br -> metapackage for Breton language support
[01:33] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: There is the package language-support-pt, but no package for language-support-pt-br
[01:33] <ricardoromao> other thing, I installed the Authorizations tool, but in 9.10 it's litle poor, compared to 9.04
[01:33] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: thats what i find disturbing too
[01:34] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: I will try the pt one to verify if the portugal's one is working fine
[01:36] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: seems to be a bug anyway...
[01:37] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: Now my desktop is part in english,  part in pt :/
[01:37] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: How can I confirm it before to fill a bug?
[01:38] <blackcoffeerider> i'm having the same here - so that makes two of us
[01:38] <blackcoffeerider> but still
[01:38] <yukongt> every time i go to the update manager, it says something about a partial upgrade and it says it is going to do a distribution upgrade, but every time it says my system is up to date and closes. Why doesnt it update like normal? i am using 9.1
[01:39] <blackcoffeerider> check if the package is marked as incomplete
[01:39] <thiebaude> !bugs
[01:39] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: could be that it is still work in progress
[01:40] <murielgodoi> thiebaude: in that case the package is language-support-pt-br?
[01:40] <thiebaude> murielgodoi, yes
[01:40] <blackcoffeerider> thiebaude: i suspect it to be
[01:40] <blackcoffeerider> but hang on a sec
[01:41] <murielgodoi> thiebaude: but the language-support-pt-br is not in the repository,  thats is the problem :)
[01:41] <murielgodoi> thiebaude: so I can't "ubuntu-bug language-support-pt-br"
[01:42] <thiebaude> !launchpad
[01:42] <zmjjmz> X keeps randomly flashing something
[01:42] <zmjjmz> and Akregator seems to slow the system down to a halt
[01:42] <blackcoffeerider> hang on guys booting my laptop with 9.04
[01:43] <blackcoffeerider> i want to replicate the steps there
[01:45] <thiebaude> zmjjmz, which graphics card?
[01:45] <blackcoffeerider> no package pt-br either
[01:45] <thiebaude> afk
[01:45]  * thiebaude heating chili brb
[01:46] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: I'm trying to check about that in #ubuntu-br
[01:47] <zmjjmz> thiebaude: intel gma950
[01:47] <zmjjmz> on a dell mini 9
[01:47] <centrinia> Why did the latest "apt-get dist-update" for my beta karmic koala installation cause nautilus to list every file as being text/plain?
[01:48] <thiebaude> zmjjmz, ok, just wondering
[01:48] <zmjjmz> still better than Jaunty :D=
[01:49] <thiebaude> !intel
[01:49] <NoelJB> centrinia, not here.  that's odd.
[01:49] <thiebaude> by bad thats 9.04
[01:50] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: i only have language-pack-pt on 9.04 installed all right
[01:50] <zmjjmz> yeah
[01:50] <zmjjmz> 9.10 still sucks, but it's as sucky as it was in 8.10
[01:50] <zmjjmz> it's like X has a little seizure
[01:50] <thiebaude> zmjjmz, 9.10 is being worked on
[01:50] <centrinia> Okay, I'll create another user account and see if it happens there. :p
[01:50] <zmjjmz> at random times
[01:50] <thiebaude> is still
[01:51] <zmjjmz> thiebaude: I've reported bugs on this, actually
[01:51] <thiebaude> cool
[01:51] <zmjjmz> just wondering if anyone had a problem before
[01:51] <zmjjmz> or, now
[01:51] <zmjjmz> does anyone in this chan use a dell mini?
[01:52] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: seems as if  language-pack-pt serves for us brasilians also
[01:52] <simba_> yey....depend problems for eclipse is finalely resolved...thank you :)
[01:53] <spirit-sight> what is geoclue computer janitor is recommending it be removed after I have done the update today
[01:54] <Amaranth> !info geoclue
[01:54] <zmjimz> motherfrakkers
[01:54] <zmjimz> X just conked out
[01:54] <zmjimz> blank screen on tty7
[01:54] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[01:55] <zmjimz> Amaranth: >.>
[01:55] <zmjimz> anywars
[01:55] <blackcoffeerider> zmjimz: same thing here with nvidia gfx card
[01:55] <zmjimz> blackcoffeerider: hm
[01:55] <zmjimz> using an intel gma950 pos here
[01:55] <blackcoffeerider> hmmm....
[01:56] <spirit-sight> so what does geoclue do for us? I didnot get much out of the bots info
[01:57] <zmjimz> pastebin.com/f4b07c6e5
[01:57] <zmjimz> that's my xorg.0.log
[01:57] <zmjimz> anyone want to peruse it?
[01:57] <JanC> zmjimz: are you sure the mini 9 has a gma950 and not a gma500 ?
[01:57] <zmjimz> JanC: yeah, the 10 has the gma500
[01:58] <JanC> ah, okay, because that would be bad luck  ;)
[01:58] <zmjimz> yeah
[02:03] <Antioch> Im having issues installing Karmic Beta on an old P4. It keeps hanging at random stages of the install (Ive only gotten so far as the paritioner).
[02:03] <Antioch> Anyone else experience this?
[02:03] <ricardoromao>  anyone knows how to permit desktop users to halt the computer without password on 9.10 ?
[02:03] <zmjimz> ricardoromao: shouldn't that happen anyways?
[02:04] <ricardoromao> zmjimz, when has two or more users loged that happen
[02:04] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: got it  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-es-base/+bug/442742
[02:05] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: they already know that bug
[02:05] <ricardoromao> zmjimz, on 9.04 has the authorization tool, to edit the policies, but on 9.10 don't appear this rules :(
[02:06] <blackcoffeerider> murielgodoi: for spanish systems....
[02:06] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: That also affects pt packages
[02:07] <murielgodoi> blackcoffeerider: There is a description about the packages affected
[02:10] <blackcoffeerider> ok
[02:10] <blackcoffeerider> i just double checked - 9.04 is all fine
[02:14] <zmjimz> uh
[02:14] <zmjimz> where is xorg.conf or its replacement in Karmic?
[02:14] <zmjimz> because it's not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:14] <yofel> zmjimz: by default there isn't one, since X doesn't require one anymore
[02:14] <zmjimz> orlyu
[02:15] <zmjimz> so where do I configure X?
[02:15] <yofel> zmjimz: you can generate a dummy one with 'sudo Xorg -configure' you'll fine the file in /root/ then copy it over to /etc/X11/
[02:16] <yofel> s/fine/find
[02:23] <zmjjmz> :|
[02:23] <zmjjmz> well restarting got X back
[02:23] <zmjjmz> not the best solution
[02:38] <bcurtiswx> how do I have grub2 re-search for OS's ?
[02:38] <virtuald> update-grub
[02:38] <virtuald> or update-grub2
[02:38] <GuyFromHell> So I want to help out with the beta test but the netbook version seems to be being distributed as an iso, which is useless to me unless someone has a magic incatation to install that on a flash drive. any suggestions?
[02:39] <bcurtiswx> ty
[02:39] <GuyFromHell> everything i'm finding online is really hacky and i'm wondering if there's a Right Way (tm)
[02:39] <virtuald> guyfromhell: just google it
[02:41] <gnubie> GuyFromHell;  http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/   have you check here?
[02:42] <GuyFromHell> gnubie: i did but clearly i missed the gigantic penguin at the top.
[02:42] <GuyFromHell> got thrown off by the ss and thought it was windows only
[02:42] <GuyFromHell> gnubie: thanks, i'll try that
[02:42] <bcurtiswx> virtuald: the image -12 doesn't show althought update-grub lists it
[02:42] <gnubie> GuyFromHell;  goodluck
[02:44] <wirechief_> i think i got unetbootin once from apt-get with Jaunty (perhaps the one before that too)
[02:45] <bcurtiswx> how do I update grub 2?
[02:47] <virtuald> that's how you do it. if it doesn't work you should track it down, isn't that why you run the beta so you can fix stuff before the release?
[02:47] <Mach> why does the 9.10 beta version has too many errors?
[02:47] <bcurtiswx> virtuald: i believe you... im looking into it
[02:47] <asonge_> i'm having an issue with flash in ff3 or chromium when compiz is on where i can't left click.
[02:47] <Mach> will the whole release one would be good?
[02:47] <asonge_> (in the flash-drawn area)
[02:48] <asonge_> it seems that other mouse events are received
[02:48] <asonge_> i can right click and hover events seem to trigger
[02:49] <Mach> will the whole release one would be good?
[02:49] <Mach> why does the 9.10 beta version has too many errors?
[02:49] <bbeck> I saw a screenshot of the new boot up graphics for Ubuntu, and I was wondering if Kubuntu also looked as nice.  When I tried out the rc disk I don't remember it looking like that.
[02:49] <asonge_> Mach: beta means "not yet ready"
[02:50] <Mach> so when it will be ready?
[02:50] <asonge_> a launch date will be set whenever they feel like they can stage a stable release
[02:51] <NoelJB> Mach, because its a beta?  Actually, I'd say that so far, Karmic feels like the best beta in years.
[02:51] <asonge_> Mach: linux is still mostly volunteers
[02:51] <Mach> i am worried about 1 thing on this karmic
[02:51] <NoelJB> asonge_, not quite.  there is a schedule
[02:51] <Mach> i cannot connect with a mobile internet connection
[02:52] <asonge_> NoelJB: i'm sure there's a timetable with a set of goals...but if a few key people are busy with other things, it'll get pushed  back, etc
[02:52] <Mach> and also when i connect to a wireless device. it get stoned
[02:52] <virtuald> mach: release schedule is in the topic
[02:52] <asonge_> virtuald: oh you just make things too easy
[02:52] <virtuald> :)
[02:53] <Mach> i dont like windows
[02:53] <NoelJB> asonge_, no, really there is a fairly strict schedule.
[02:53] <Mach> especially vista
[02:53] <asonge_> i see that.
[02:53] <Mach> it keeps crahses
[02:53] <Mach> crashing*
[02:54] <NoelJB> Mach, I was just using WWAN this evening.  What network, which card, are you up to date with Karmic?
[02:55] <Mach> well
[02:55] <NoelJB> Mach, I use CDMA.  There were some GSM fixes put in this evening.
[02:55] <Mach> in my country there is a wireless device that u attach to usb
[02:55] <NoelJB> yes, yes, which country, which device?
[02:55] <asonge_> Mach: if you're outside the US, 99% chance you're GSM
[02:55] <Mach> yeah
[02:55] <Mach> i am GSM
[02:56] <zmjjmz> what model card?
[02:56] <Mach> i dont know
[02:56] <Mach> surely its Zain
[02:56] <zmjjmz> what carrier?
[02:56] <Mach> carrier?
[02:57] <zmjjmz> Mach: cell phone provider
[02:57] <Mach> yeah
[02:57] <zmjjmz> oh, ok
[02:57] <Mach> Zain is the provider
[02:57] <Mach> in kuwait we have Wataniya & Zain and Viva
[02:57] <NoelJB> that's fine, more interested to know the make/model of the GSM card.
[02:58] <NoelJB> lsusb should tell you.
[02:58] <fqhuy> hi, Ive had trouble with Cmedia CMI-8738 in karmic
[02:58] <Mach> so do u expect that it will be fixed when it is released?
[02:58] <zmjjmz> fqhuy: what's that?
[02:59] <fqhuy> the soundcard was recornized but the sound was alway stopped randomly whatever driver or software I used
[02:59] <Mach> so do u expect that it will be fixed when it is released?
[03:00] <fqhuy> pulseaudio, alsa, ...
[03:00] <NoelJB> Mach, it will only be fixed if people who have problems report them, and help to get them fixed.
[03:00] <fqhuy> totem said something like connection terminated ...
[03:00] <Mach> well i reported it
[03:00] <NoelJB> qedx, for example, helped us to understand and then fix a network sharing problem today.
[03:00] <fqhuy> the same problem with fedora 11
[03:00] <NoelJB> Mach, what bug #?
[03:01] <Mach> yep
[03:01] <Mach> a bug
[03:01] <Mach> i think in launch.net
[03:01] <Mach> or something
[03:01] <NoelJB> mach, yes, WHICH bug?   What is the # for it?
[03:01] <fqhuy> zmjjmz: hello
[03:01] <Mach> just a sec i will post the link
[03:02] <NoelJB> you can just say Bug # and ubottu will tell us the rest.
[03:02] <Mach> Bug 444954
[03:02] <NoelJB> ah, well THAT would be a problem  :-)
[03:03] <asonge_> NoelJB: i've got a reproducable bug here, i think...at least for my hardware :)
[03:03] <Mach> huh?
[03:03] <Mach> what do u mean noel?
[03:03] <NoelJB> mach, the bug is currently listed as private.  some other folks can see it, but I (for example) can't, nor do I believe that Dan can.
[03:04] <zmjjmz> fqhuy: what driver is it using?
[03:04] <Mach> whos Dan?
[03:04] <NoelJB> mach is it still pending retrace?  that should make it public when done.
[03:04] <NoelJB> Mach, one of the primary authors of the network and modem managers
[03:04] <NoelJB> asonge_, what kind of bug?  is it reported?
[03:04] <fqhuy> zmjjmz: any driver the same problem , pulse audio, alsa, jack, esd
[03:04] <Mach> good so i think they could fix it
[03:04] <zmjjmz> those are systems, but ok
[03:05] <asonge_> NoelJB: i'm not *seeing* it, but it could have been, gimme 5 minutes to restart...just upgraded all the packages
[03:05] <NoelJB> mach, go to that bug and subscribe me.  "Subscribe another person."
[03:05] <asonge_> NoelJB: when compiz is on, flash doesn't respond to left clicks
[03:05] <fqhuy> zmjjmz: I m sure that no problem with sound card, because windows worked well
[03:05] <Mach> ok
[03:05] <asonge_> NoelJB: i get feedback from flash ui's showing hovers and i can right click
[03:05] <NoelJB> asonge_, ah ... you want someone other than me for that.  :-)
[03:06] <asonge_> but, left click does nothing
[03:06] <NoelJB> asonge_, I can't reproduce it,.  flash works fine for me, and I do use compiz.
[03:06] <NoelJB> was Amaranth looking at it?
[03:06] <Amaranth> NoelJB: Nope, I'm ignoring the bug with flash that happens with 32-bit, 64-bit, and all WMs
[03:07] <Mach> whats ur nick?
[03:07] <Mach> noel
[03:07] <NoelJB> Amaranth, ok
[03:07] <NoelJB> Mach, should be the same as I have here.
[03:07] <Mach> ok
[03:08] <zmjjmz> fqhuy: what does lsmod have to say about the driver?
[03:08] <Mach> done
[03:09] <fqhuy> zmjjmz: wait a minute
[03:10] <Mach> noel
[03:10] <Mach> u got it?
[03:11] <NoelJB> Mach, sort of ... I just plated dinner.
[03:11] <asonge_> NoelJB: i wish i knew what other variables within compiz i might be able to eliminate
[03:12] <Mach> should i make it public?
[03:12] <nick125> Hm. When you upgrade a 9.04 install to 9.10, will it try to move existing filesystems from ext3 to ext4
[03:12] <jrgp> nick125: no
[03:13] <jrgp> but if you do a fresh install, it'll use ext4 for the new partitions it creates by default
[03:13] <Mach> u mean downloading the iso file?
[03:13] <NoelJB> Mach, you have that set as a security vulnerability.  NO ONE useful can see it.  You need to change that.
[03:14] <Mach> how can i change that?
[03:14] <Amaranth> NoelJB: actually we can all see security bugs afaik
[03:14] <Amaranth> NoelJB: but not everyone can see private bugs
[03:14] <NoelJB> Amaranth, really?  it says "this report is private.  security vulnerability"
[03:14] <Amaranth> NoelJB: it can be both :)
[03:14] <NoelJB> Me, Mach, and Security Team are the only subscribers.
[03:15] <Antioch`> Is karmic known to freeze on intel graphics systems like it did in 9.04?
[03:15] <arand> Bug #445067
[03:15] <Antioch`> I cant seem to install the thing without it randomly freezing
[03:15] <NoelJB> Mach, fixed.
[03:15] <Mach> ok
[03:15] <NoelJB> bug 444954
[03:15] <Mach> done
[03:15] <Technoviking> how do you find the changelog on a new program?
[03:15] <arand> This is a rather nasty bug here, Amaranth should I be shouting at someone in particular about this?
[03:16] <Amaranth> arand: with flash? probably adobe
[03:16] <NoelJB> Mach, that looks like it refers to code we fixed.  can you please do apt-get update, aptitude safe-upgrade, and see if you get new code?
[03:17] <arand> Amaranth: ↑ the bug I just mentioned, nothing to do with flash...
[03:17]  * asonge_ is the flash guy
[03:17] <Amaranth> arand: *shrug*
[03:17] <NoelJB> Mach, also please run apport-collect 444954
[03:17] <Amaranth> arand: graphics guy
[03:17] <Mach> noeljb: when i install the 9.10 i cannot connect to the internet
[03:17] <Mach> ???
[03:18] <Mach> how can i do the update?
[03:18] <Mach> gimme the command on terminal
[03:18] <arand> Amaranth: huh? graphics guy?
[03:18] <jdsbluedevl> hi, did today's update break anyone else's desktop icons?
[03:18] <asonge_> jdsbluedevl: i just did an update and my icons are still there
[03:18] <NoelJB> Mach, if you can't connect to the internet, that's a challenge.
[03:19] <arand> jdsbluedevl: icons as in icons on the dektop or in menus?
[03:19] <jdsbluedevl> arand: on the desktop
[03:19] <Mach> well i dont know noel
[03:19] <Mach> this is all i can do
[03:19] <wakingrufus> hi, is there any known bug  in the karmic beta where when installing from the live cd, the installer just quits out as it is starting the partitioner after you choose your username and pass?
[03:19] <Mach> i reported a bug
[03:20] <Mach> i wish they would fix it
[03:20] <arand> jdsbluedevl: hmm, no, have not experienced that, are nautilus set to draw desktop?
[03:20] <asonge_> Mach: it's rough when no one can reproduce it (if they don't have the hardware, etc)
[03:20] <BotLobsta> has anyone else had problems opening files with evince in the past day or 2?
[03:20] <leleobhz>   grub-pc: Conflicts: grub (< 0.97-54) but 0.97-29ubuntu58 is to be installed.
[03:20] <NoelJB> asonge_, Mach, I think we did fix it, but you can't download it.
[03:20] <leleobhz> what the hell?
[03:20] <asonge_> NoelJB: yeah, i see what you're sayin g:)
[03:21] <Mach> noel
[03:21] <jdsbluedevl> arand: not sure, just rebooted computer to boot into recent kernel (I had booted into a previous kernel to see if it was a kernel problem)
[03:21] <Mach> how about i download it now
[03:21] <Mach> then when it comes to release
[03:21] <jdsbluedevl> but it wasn't a problem before
[03:21] <NoelJB> Mach, a couple of choices.  you can download and install today's ISO, or we can try to do it the hard way.
[03:21] <Mach> i will update the new release
[03:21] <Mach> so downloading the iso is much better
[03:22] <NoelJB> actually ... yes ... you could download the daily build, and tell APT to updated from it.
[03:22] <Mach> yeah so i will wait for the whole release then
[03:22] <NoelJB> mach yes, get the iso.
[03:22] <jdsbluedevl> arand: how would I be able to determine if Nautilus is set to draw the desktop?
[03:23] <Mach> ok guys
[03:23] <Mach> i am going off
[03:23] <Mach> c ya all
[03:26] <jdsbluedevl> does anyone in here know how to check if Nautilus is drawing my desktop?
[03:27] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, well, what do you see on your screen?
[03:27] <jdsbluedevl> a bunch of broken desktop icons
[03:28] <NoelJB> ???
[03:28] <jdsbluedevl> as in, they're desktop launchers, but their icons are missing, and they aren't executing properly when I click on them
[03:28] <rahearn> Does anyone know where the empathy buddy list is stored on karmic?  I'd like to sync to machines by keeping the directory/file on ubuntu one, but all i've found is the rather useless ~/.config/Empathy/contact-groups.xml file
[03:28] <NoelJB> Amaranth, isn't there a pastebin for pictures?
[03:29] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, what do you see if you right click on them and bring up properties?
[03:29] <jdsbluedevl> under type, one shortcut has "plain text document"
[03:30] <jdsbluedevl> I'm not sure that's supposed to be the case
[03:33] <bodhi_zazen> Any idea where I can find a guide on how to remaseter a 9.10 live CD ?
[03:33] <bodhi_zazen> or build one from scratch ?
[03:33] <bodhi_zazen> There are many undocumented features, such as how to boot a CD using grub2
[03:33] <bodhi_zazen> how to theme gdm ?
[03:35] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, something got hosed, it sounds like.
[03:36] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, I wonder if you could replace and rebuild your desktop.
[03:36] <jdsbluedevl> I could probably wait until tomorrow's build to see if that fixes it
[03:36] <NoelJB> the desktop is the ~/Desktop directory
[03:37] <arand> rahearn: check ~/.mission-control/ (What a thouroughly _logical_ name >_<)
[03:37] <NoelJB> arand, oh good to know.
[03:38] <rahearn> arand: exactly what i was looking for
[03:38] <rahearn> thank you,  i never would have thought to look there
[03:38] <dodddummy> i upgraded a couple of days ago and all was good.  but today when i upgraded all of the file associations seem to be broken.  ogg files report as text files, desktop shortcuts appear as text files on the desktop, etc.
[03:39] <jdsbluedevl> dodddummy: welcome to the club.  I don't know what happened, either
[03:39] <dodddummy> jdsbluedevl, at least it's not just me
[03:40] <dodddummy> :)  i'll not upgrade my other machine just yet.
[03:40] <jdsbluedevl> dodddummy: yeah, I thought it was just me, too
[03:40] <NoelJB> Actually, this is at least the 3rd or 4th time today that I've seen the same report.
[03:40] <arand> It's empathy, telepathy, mission-control, butterfly, and who knows what...
[03:40] <NoelJB> have you guys reported it in LP?
[03:40] <dodddummy> NoelJB, i haven't as it just happened to me.
[03:41] <dodddummy> searched a bit and didn't see anything so i came here to see if it's known.
[03:41] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: wouldn't know what package to report the bug in
[03:42] <dodddummy> ubuntu 9.10 :)
[03:42] <dodddummy> xdg-open thinks they're text files, too.
[03:42] <jdsbluedevl> problem is all files are "plain text document"
[03:43] <jdsbluedevl> click on a jpeg, tries to open gedit
[03:43] <jdsbluedevl> click on an mpeg, tries to open gedit
[03:43] <dodddummy> other than that 9.10 looks pretty sweet
[03:43] <jdsbluedevl> and changing association for jpeg changes association for all
[03:44] <thiebaude> hope that doesn't happen to me
[03:44] <Veinor> serves you right for using a GUI :P
[03:44] <dodddummy> thiebaude, i'd not upgrade then
[03:44] <dodddummy> lol
[03:44] <Veinor> but serioulsy, yeah, report that
[03:45] <dodddummy> i'm thinking would be the same on an x-less system.
[03:45] <thiebaude> dodddummy, yea, i'll think i will hold off on anymore updates in 9.10
[03:45] <thiebaude> update
[03:48] <yanger> xfwm4 isn't starting correctly? i just installed xubuntu karmic on my test system. got the circular busy mouse icon, and later it dissappeared. had menubars at the top and taskbars below, but if i started a program, didn't fill up. manually starting xfwm4 corrected it.. kinda? seemed to of layered on top of the bad one.. or is it just me?
[03:52] <BotLobsta> jdsbluedevl, look at bug #444962
[03:53] <BotLobsta> i had a problem with evince thinking all pdf's were text files and downgrading to the older shared-mime-info fixed it
[03:53] <Tronic> Tab completion is broken on my system :/
[03:53] <Tronic> It fails to complete the rest if a name contains a space in it.
[03:54] <Tronic> (if there are multiple options after that space)
[03:54] <jdsbluedevl> ok, how do I downgrade to the older version?
[03:54] <Tronic> Is anyone else seeing this?
[03:54] <yanger> hmm "Hardware Drivers" when installing the nvidia drivers, is called "Untitled window" :P
[03:54] <BotLobsta> i downloaded the 0.60-2 version (for whatever architecture) from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/shared-mime-info/
[03:55] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, start with nautilus, and we can go from there./
[03:55] <Tronic> Steps to reproduce: touch Foo\ num1 Foo\n num2; then tab-complete ls F<tab> and you get Foo\ num, but then tab completion no longer works (doesn't list the options, doesn't continue if you enter one of the numbers).
[03:55] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: downgrade nautilus?
[03:56] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, and perhaps include a screenshot
[03:56] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, actually ... did nautilus change recently?
[03:56] <jdsbluedevl> don't know
[03:57] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, for me, on Oct 3.  How often have you upgraded?
[03:57] <jdsbluedevl> every day
[03:57] <jdsbluedevl> but I don't remember what updated when
[03:57] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, /var/log/dpkg.log will tell you what's changed.  when did THIS break?
[03:58] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, see if you can associate this breakage to a set of entries in /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:58] <Peddy> Every single file (image, video, .desktop) on my system is recognized as text/plain by Nautilus, and so it tries to open all of them with Gedit. Is anyone else experiencing this?
[03:59] <gbear14275> I was wondering if someone could pass a link to me or some information about the upcoming 9.10 server edition?  I tried to download it from this link: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/  but its broken.  I found this page: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/  but am not sure what version I'm looking for.  Can someone tell me about the upcoming server versions or by chance point me to the "regular" server 
[03:59] <NoelJB> Peddy, jdsbluedevl is seeing it., as are others
[03:59] <NoelJB> and others, like me, are not
[03:59] <dodddummy> Peddy, yep.  it's a bug.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shared-mime-info/+bug/444962
[03:59] <myk_robinson> seems like something has happened to mime types for me. some of my images and pdfs are recognized as plain text documents for some reason. How do I fix this?
[03:59] <Peddy> Thanks friends.
[03:59] <Peddy> Interestingly, it doesn't happen in XFCE
[04:00] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: nautilus last updated on 10/2
[04:00] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, see above.
[04:01] <dodddummy> peddy, the work around in that link worked for me.
[04:01] <gbear14275> anyone have any pointers to the beta server edition?
[04:01] <Peddy> thanks dodddummy, trying now.
[04:01] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: how would I associate the log with the breakaged?
[04:01] <jdsbluedevl> *breakage
[04:01] <Peddy> it's pretty funny, nautilus tries to render text previews for all the files
[04:02] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, don't bother.  read bug 444962.  is THAT your bug?  :-)
[04:02] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: yes, it is
[04:02] <jdsbluedevl> well, it is indeed shared-mime-info, I guess
[04:02] <maccam94> anyone else seeing nautilus file preview weirdness?
[04:02] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, so it is being worked on.  did you try the  "update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/" command to see if it helps?
[04:03] <NoelJB> maccam94, Welcome to tonight's FAQ.  See Bug 444962
[04:03] <maccam94> NoelJB: k, just checking
[04:03]  * NoelJB wonders why he ISN'T seeing the bug :-)
[04:03] <dodddummy> i went ahead and locked shared-mime-info to that version.
[04:03] <maccam94> NoelJB: have you rebooted since the update?
[04:03] <dodddummy> NoelJB, which version of shared-mime-info do you have installed?
[04:04] <dodddummy> and did you restart x
[04:04] <NoelJB> maccam94, hmmm ... come to think of it ... no.  I've been suspending and resuming.
[04:04] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: I followed one of the first instructions, which was to delete it.  I guess restarting X isn't enough to regenerate.  I'll reboot first
[04:04] <maccam94> NoelJB: that would probably do it
[04:04] <NoelJB> shared-mime-info                           0.70-0ubuntu1
[04:04] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: what's your CPU, 32- or 64-bit?
[04:05] <gbear14275> anyone have any links to 9.10 server live cd?
[04:05] <NoelJB> 64 bit
[04:05] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: that could be why.
[04:05] <dodddummy> i'm 32 bit
[04:06] <BotLobsta> im 64 bit and i had the same problem happen to me
[04:06] <NoelJB> probably saved simply by suspending and not rebooting.
[04:06] <dodddummy> NoelJB, might as well reboot
[04:07] <NoelJB> dodddummy, LOL if it aint broke, I aint fixing it!  [translation: not rebooting just to see if I can break my desktop :-)]
[04:07] <maccam94> NoelJB: the reason that it's not broken for you is because you haven't killed and started nautilus
[04:07] <dodddummy> NoelJB, don't you know you're compelled to reboot when that popup shows?
[04:08] <jdsbluedevl> crap, I removed ~/.local/share/mime and now can't do that update command
[04:10] <jetrii> There seems to be a problem with Eclipse + PyDev on Ubuntu 9.10. Installing Eclipse + Eclipse-Pydev doesn't seem to do anything. Pydev doesn't show up anywhere in the eclipse config. Is there a way to fix this?
[04:10] <gbear14275> I apologize for asking multiple times... but would really appreciate a pointer to a regular server version of 9.10 if there is going to be one... or someone telling me that there won't be a "regular" server version
[04:11] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, hold on ... I just did it.
[04:11] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, try ...
[04:11] <NoelJB> rm -rf ~/.local/share/mime/ ; mkdir -p .local/share/mime/packages ; update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/
[04:12] <NoelJB> dodddummy, what popup?  I've had no popup about needing a reboot since the .12 kernel and updated network-manager.
[04:13] <Peddy> my speakers make a popping sound when a sound is played, after a period of inactivity... It seems almost like the sound card is closed then re-opened, or something like that. Anyone with similar experiences?
[04:13] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, that help?
[04:13] <dodddummy> NoelJB, when i upgraded today i got the reboot now or later popup.  i can't refuse that popup.  i think i'm ocd
[04:14] <jdsbluedevl> well, I did that, then re-started nautilus
[04:14] <jdsbluedevl> no dice
[04:15] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, stay subscribed to that bug report, and you'll get notice when it is fixed.  looks like they know what is wrong and just need to get it released.
[04:15] <jdsbluedevl> NoelJB: or do I need to re-start X and not just re-start Nautilus?
[04:15] <NoelJB> jdsbluedevl, still not broken for me, so I'm not trying toooo hard to find out.
[04:16] <arand> Peddy: yes, I think I've heard that now and then, even here in jaunty... but not very loud though...
[04:17] <Peddy> arand, hm... I only started getting it after today's set of updates. Do you know what sound chipset you have?
[04:18] <arand> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[04:19] <arand> Although, I'm not to fussed about it, so long as it's only when inactive or becoming active....
[04:19] <Peddy> Mine appears randomly, for example it happens when I ctrl-backspace or alt-tab.
[04:19] <dodddummy> jdsbluedevl, i restarted x
[04:20] <NoelJB> dodddummy, and?  fixed or no?
[04:20] <dodddummy> NoelJB, fixed
[04:20] <NoelJB> :)
[04:21] <arand> Peddy: does not appear for me
[04:21] <jdsbluedevl> dodddummy: not working for me
[04:21] <dodddummy> but i tried to lock the version number but when i do upgrade again it updated it.  guess i'll have to used to fixed this
[04:21]  * arand 's brain's fuzzy, need sleepz...
[04:21] <jdsbluedevl> also, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace not restarting X
[04:22] <Peddy> alt-SysRq + k is the new ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:22] <arand> jdsbluedevl: dontzap?
[04:22] <dodddummy> jdsbluedevl, errr Ctrl-Alt-Backspace was taken out by default with 9.04
[04:22] <gsevil1> virtualbox crash on 9.10, do you know how to fix?
[04:22] <dodddummy> jdsbluedevl, you have to dontzap it
[04:22] <jdsbluedevl> ok, how do I do that?
[04:23] <dodddummy> jdsbluedevl, google dontzap.
[04:23] <Peddy> jdsbluedevl, you could do alt-SysRq + K if you like. It doesn't require fiddling with conf files.
[04:24] <Trizicus> i setup vsftpd and I cannot access (anonymously) my ftp server via firefox but it can be accessed anonymously via ftp. How do I fix this?
[04:24] <arand> !dontzap
[04:24] <Peddy> until ubuntu devs decide to disable that too...
[04:24] <dodddummy> Peddy, that takes screenshots for me to i just put in dontzap
[04:24] <jdsbluedevl> nvm, re-enabled it
[04:25] <jdsbluedevl> still broken
[04:25] <Peddy> dodddummy, read ubottu's comment if you really want to install an additional package, or you could try the alt-sysrq thing again. Press alt+sysrq down simultaneously, then, holding them down, hit K.
[04:26] <NoelJB> Trizicus, I just had that issue when setting up an ftp server.  had to do with passive vs active ftp.  extra steps to getting passive working, which firefox seemed to want.
[04:27] <NoelJB> Trizicus, but I can't give you details, since I'm using the Apache FTP Server, not vsftpd
[04:27] <dodddummy> Peddy, for me alt+sysrq takes a screenshot.  anyway i'm used to ctrl+alt+backspace.  even my 8 year old is.  after jaunty for about a week when some flash thing locked up on him he comes in and says, "dad crtl+alt+backspace is broken"
[04:27] <jdsbluedevl> regardless, restarting X didn't fix the problem
[04:28] <Peddy> dodddummy, 'sudo apt-get install dontzap' then 'sudo dontzap --disable'
[04:28] <legend2440> jdsbluedevl: to enable ctrl alt bkspce  open preferences>keyboard>layout options>key sequence to kill xserver  and put check in box that says enable ctrl alt backspace
[04:28] <jdsbluedevl> no, I got that
[04:28] <jdsbluedevl> I'm talking about the shared-mime-info problem
[04:29] <dodddummy> Peddy, oh, i did that the when i installed jaunty.  didn't know you thought i didn't know how to dontzap.
[04:30] <Peddy> dodddummy, oh haha, I'm talking to the wrong person.
[04:30] <Peddy> either way, I think it's retarded how they disabled ctrl-alt-backspace.
[04:30] <dodddummy> Peddy, i suggested googling it so he could read why in case that mattered to him :)
[04:30] <Veinor> I keep getting this error when I try to install Karmic:
[04:30] <Veinor> "??? ???"
[04:32] <Veinor> Real helpful. :/
[04:32] <Peddy> Veinor, you didn't ask a question.
[04:32] <Potatohead> my brightness keys don't work with 9.04 or 9.10 anyone know if there is something I can turn on to fix this. I usually hit FN F7 and F8 but that doesn't do it. I can hit FN and the play and it works.
[04:33] <goat-eee> empathy is the suck for IRC
[04:33] <Veinor> Well, the obvious one is "what's going on? D:"
[04:34] <Veinor> I'm thinking of redoing the USB drive I'm installing off of.
[04:34] <goat-eee> bug 397504
[04:34] <goat-eee> and gnome dev says they like it that way :(
[04:35] <dodddummy> Potatohead, i noticed that on my laptop, too.  i usually don't need the brightness but yesterday i noticed it didn't work on 9.04.  you have a dell?
[04:35] <NoelJB> Potatohead, what hardware?  I have a thinkpad, and just used them in a meeting tonight.
[04:35] <dodddummy> worked before 9.04
[04:36] <Potatohead> No its an HP G60
[04:38] <Potatohead> Volume and the media player keys all work, just anything that is from f1 to f8 is out
[04:38] <Peddy> Potatohead, could you open 'xev' from a terminal and see if Fn+F1 gives a different output to just F1?
[04:40] <NoelJB> take a look at bug 217504 and see if that describes the problem
[04:40] <Potatohead> xev is showing key codes
[04:41] <Peddy> right. Is the combined keycode for Fn+F1 different to F1 by itself?
[04:41] <zmjjmz> great
[04:41] <zmjjmz> sound broke
[04:42] <Peddy> Take a look at  that bug report. Also, I have no idea how brightness controls work, I don't know if they're at operating-system level, or through ACPI and the BIOS.
[04:43] <torn> Will Karmic Koala support an encrypted root partition during installation?
[04:43] <Potatohead> Peddy the FN and F1 keys are different. I'm looking over the bug now. Doesn't look to be a fix for this yet
[04:43] <torn> I believe openSUSE 11.2 will (which 11.1 lacked), so I'm wondering if this will be a feature on Ubuntu 9.10.
[04:44] <Potatohead> Funny it would affect not just one brand
[04:44] <Potatohead> I can add brightness controls to the panel and use that to adjust it, but the keys are nice to have as well.
[04:46] <Peddy> of course, key shortcuts are awesome. I recently obtained an old HP media keyboard with 30+ media keys, and only 3 of them worked (the others weren't even detected by xev). :/
[04:46] <Peddy> Do you still have older kernels installed?
[04:47] <torn> I really hope no current compatibility/support for hardware is affected with Karmic. Hardware compatibility is the most precious thing going for desktop Linux distros.
[04:47] <torn> Does anyone know about the root encryption question?
[04:48] <Peddy> root partition encryption?
[04:48] <torn> Yes.
[04:48] <Peddy> What is the question?
[04:48] <Potatohead> Peddy sorry were you talking to me about the kernel?
[04:48] <torn> (I asked the question a few lines up.)
[04:48] <Peddy> Potatohead, yup.
[04:49] <Potatohead> Got the latest and greatest today and did a reboot
[04:49] <wastrel> i just did upgrades but haven't rebooted
[04:49] <wastrel> busy w/ hulu
[04:49] <Peddy> Potatohead, do you have your older ones (the ones where your media keys worked) still installed?
[04:49] <BronzeAu> Howdy all. I had a problem updating from 9.04 to 9.10. I'm new to IRC. Is this where I would ask or paste the details somewhere else?
[04:49] <Potatohead> Peddy looks like the problem has been there since Hardy and not fixed yet
[04:50] <Peddy> Potatohead, ah, right. You've never, ever had them working?
[04:50] <Potatohead> They haven't worked on this laptop. Its a new on I just got about a month ago. Other than the FN keys Ubuntu works awesome on it.
[04:51] <Veinor> Okay, yeah, every time I try to install Karmic I just ge ta bunch of quesiton marks.
[04:51] <Potatohead> I did a wipe and but 9.10 on fresh just to see if it got fixed :) guess it's on going
[04:51] <Potatohead> but = put
[04:52] <Veinor> during the "detecting file systems" step
[04:52] <Peddy> Potatohead, right. Sorry about the kernel questions, I thought you had it working once upon a time. I can't help you there, I have no idea about FN keys. Are you asking in #ubuntu too?
[04:52] <torn> Peddy, may I paste my questions again?
[04:52] <Peddy> torn, I read it. I'm not sure if it's an option during install time, but it's certainly possible
[04:53] <Peddy> so, I'm not really helping XD
[04:53] <BronzeAu> During update (Alt-F2) I got : W:Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[04:53] <Potatohead> Yea they didn't know either :) but the bug report did answer it. Thanks for the assist on it, very much appreciated.
[04:53] <torn> Peddy, I was hoping it was supported during installation, since a lot can go wrong trying to do it manually.
[04:54] <BronzeAu> Followed by: , W:Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[04:54] <BronzeAu> And lastly:, E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[04:54] <torn> Peddy, I FINALLY got openSUSE 11.1 to run under an encrypted root partition, but I made many mistakes in the process.
[04:54] <torn> Peddy, it was a nice learning experience though...
[04:54] <Peddy> torn, where did you boot from?
[04:54] <Peddy> was /boot unencrypted, or did you use some other fancy method?
[04:55] <goat-eee> BronzeAu: you could try the apt-get update again or try from another mirror
[04:55] <BronzeAu> Any ideas?
[04:55] <Potatohead> Have a good night all work in the morning and once again thanks
[04:55] <Peddy> Potatohead, good night :) good luck
[04:56] <torn> Peddy, an unencrypted boot.
[04:56] <torn> * /boot
[04:56] <Peddy> BronzeAu, try changing your server, they could be having problems with theirs... system>administration>software sources.
[04:57] <torn> Had to recreate the initial RAMdisk as well (initrd) with a few extra modules to support unlocking an encrypted partition (in my case, / )
[04:57] <BronzeAu> Ok - I'll give the apt-get update a go from terminal. Ok. Ok, Ill do the server first then.
[04:57] <BronzeAu> Thanks - I'll let you know how I go.
[04:57] <MongoTheMad> Is anyone else having a problem running X on 9.10 with AMD64?
[04:57] <torn> Peddy, basically, the HOWTOs on the web were not 100% accurate. So I had to do some trial and error, until finally I got success. (And I'm a complete idiot when it comes to this stuff. I got lucky.)
[04:57] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, working fine for me. What's your problem? What graphics do you use?
[04:58] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, I have an ATI card.
[04:58] <Peddy> torn, haha, very cool. Are you still running openSUSE?
[04:58] <BronzeAu> It was set to the Australian Server - I have changed it to the main server.
[04:58] <torn> I'm dead tired, so night all.
[04:58] <torn> Peddy, yes, I am.
[04:58] <BronzeAu> Night torn.
[04:58] <Peddy> bye, night
[04:59] <torn> Peddy, supposedly it will still work even after doing a dist-upgrade to 11.2.
[04:59] <torn> Night!
[04:59] <Peddy> impressive
[04:59] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, X freezes after it loads showing only my mouse and I cannot switch to any terminals
[04:59] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, it sounds like a graphics problem. What ATi drivers do you have installed?
[05:00] <torn> (Oh, and I plan to install Xubuntu 9.10 on my netbook the day it comes out. What a freaking awesome distro. Anyways, night! For real!)
[05:00] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, probably the ones that came with the install. this is a fresh install. Should I get the drivers from ati?
[05:00] <Peddy> torn, haha I installed xubuntu-desktop just for fun, it's very cool XD I haven't really had a chance to mess with it.
[05:01] <freenose> What app does karmic uses to encrypt the home dir during install?
[05:01] <Peddy> Freeaqingme, ecryptfs
[05:01] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, I have no idea. You could enter recovery mode and try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, but I have no experience with ati cards.
[05:02] <freenose> Peddy: thanks
[05:02] <Peddy> freenose*
[05:02] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, would that package have ati drivers?
[05:02] <webbb821> i am trying to install gimmie in karmic but i keep getting depends not met any clue where to get what i need  http://pastebin.com/m16034b5c
[05:03] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, if you think it's possible to get the drivers without a GUI, it could be a good idea. Try downloading them from AMD's website, and putting them on a USB flash drive, then installing from terminal.
[05:04] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, 'linux-restricted-modules' apparently contains ATI binary drivers.
[05:06] <MongoTheMad> I am in a root shell now, wont let me apt-get. Sals cannot write /var/cache/apt
[05:06] <MongoTheMad> says*
[05:06] <Peddy> 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-extras'?
[05:06] <legend2440> webbb821: install  libgnome-menu-dev    libgtk2.0-dev   and   python-gtk2-dev
[05:07] <webbb821> oh itd the dev file i need?
[05:07] <legend2440> webbb821: yes
[05:07] <webbb821> i was wondering cause i have libgnome menu installed
[05:07] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, its a root terminal. tried that as well. did not work
[05:07] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, ps -ef | grep -i dpkg ?
[05:09] <MongoTheMad> that shows something
[05:09] <webbb821> legend2440: thanks
[05:09] <legend2440> webbb821: your welcome
[05:09] <MongoTheMad> root 690 6060 0 21:08 tty1 00:00:00 grep -i dpkg
[05:10] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, hmm. You don't have another instance of apt-get or dpkg running in another terminal?
[05:11] <MongoTheMad> nope
[05:11] <Peddy> does it say anything other than 'cannot write'?
[05:13] <MongoTheMad> "Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock" and "The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened"
[05:13] <chu_> Hey guys.
[05:13] <Peddy> rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:14] <MongoTheMad> I booted to a read only file system
[05:14] <MongoTheMad> -_-
[05:14] <Peddy> Oh, right. lol, how'd you manage that?
[05:14] <zmjjmz> :|||
[05:15] <MongoTheMad> I thought single was supposed to give you a rw file system
[05:15] <MongoTheMad> is there a way to mount it read write from this terminal?
[05:16] <Peddy> I think there is. I'm not good with it, though. What's the output of 'mount'?
[05:16] <chu_> Is anyone willing to take me through *exactly* how do to a clean update? (i.e. I want to remove Jaunty and start new with Karmic).
[05:16] <zmjjmz> /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /proc type proc (rw)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:16] <zmjjmz> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[05:17] <zmjjmz> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:17] <zmjjmz> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/zj1992/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=zj1992)
[05:17] <zmjjmz> 192.168.1.105:/ on /media/pikachu type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536,user=zj1992)
[05:17] <Peddy> zmjjmz, I wasn't asking you.
[05:17] <zmjjmz> er
[05:17] <zmjjmz> well, that's what it is Peddy
[05:17] <zmjjmz> Peddy: yep, I sohuld have known before I did that
[05:17] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, what's the output of 'mount'?
[05:18] <chu_> Or does anyone know of any documentation that might explain exactlythe steps I need to go through?
[05:18] <MongoTheMad> what zmjjmz said, Peddy
[05:18] <zmjjmz> MongoTheMad: no, it's different for you
[05:19] <zmjjmz> I'd pastebinit
[05:19] <MongoTheMad> except for the last two lines, it is the same
[05:19] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, could you just say the line referring to '/' when you enter 'mount'?
[05:19] <MongoTheMad> /dev/sdb1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[05:20] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, I don't know. Try entering recovery mode again, choosing 'drop to root shell'
[05:20] <MongoTheMad> It didn't give me a drop down menu last two times I booted into it
[05:20] <chu_> Bah
[05:22] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, can you do cd /
[05:22] <Peddy> 'cd /'
[05:22] <Peddy> then 'touch test'
[05:22] <MongoTheMad> cannot: read only file system
[05:23] <sethm131> Hey, sorry to disturb anyone but does anybody here happen to know a fix for the following issue? I'm getting this error whenever I try and do anything through the terminal. I can't open Synaptic or anything :/. 'E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.'
[05:24] <MongoTheMad> I rebooted into read write mode
[05:24] <MongoTheMad> weird
[05:25] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, install linux-restricted-extras
[05:25] <MongoTheMad> no package
[05:26] <Veinor> Yeah, I can't install Karmic at all. What the hell?
[05:26] <Peddy> linux-restricted-modules*
[05:27] <Veinor> I get a dialog box labeled "??? ???" with the text "??? ???"
[05:27] <sethm131> @Veinor, where are you installing it from?
[05:27] <MongoTheMad> Peddy, same error
[05:27] <Veinor> sethm131: Installing UNR from a thumb drive.
[05:27] <Peddy> linux-restricted-modules-common ?
[05:27] <Peddy> You probably need to enable restricted sources, 1 sec
[05:28] <biped> guys, I'm trying to back up my home folder to a flash drive, and after sudo -r source destination I still get permission denied errors. SHould I be using another command?
[05:28] <sethm131> Veinor: Oh, alright. I don't know much about USB installation, sorry. My best solution is to install 9.04 and then upgrade using the Update Manager.
[05:28] <Veinor> bleh.
[05:28] <Veinor> Testing 9.04, yeah.
[05:28] <biped> that's sudo cp -r source destination
[05:28] <Veinor> It's failing on the partitioning, I think.
[05:29] <sethm131> Failing in the process of trying to create a partition?
[05:30] <Veinor> It goes through the partition editor just fine.
[05:30] <Veinor> Then when it tries to actually install, it just dies.
[05:30] <Peddy> MongoTheMad, add the line 'deb http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic universe restricted multiverse main' to /etc/apt/sources.list using 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list'. Then, 'sudo apt-get update' then it linux-restricted-modules should become available.
[05:30] <sethm131> Oh, alright. Try burning the image to a CD and install it through that.
[05:30] <nroot> Hi I am using ubuntu+1
[05:31] <nroot> And since last update i am not able to connect to my wireless network
[05:31] <nroot> right now i am using lan
[05:31] <sethm131> nroot: Does it recognize the Wireless network?
[05:31] <Veinor> trying it from a different thumb drive
[05:31] <nroot> nm-applet simply hangs when i select the network
[05:32] <nroot> sethm131: yes it does
[05:32] <sethm131> nroot: Is it a secure network?
[05:32] <nroot> yes
[05:32] <nroot> sethm131: yes it is secure
[05:33] <sethm131> nroot: Alright, that could be where your problem is. Check to make sure the password is correct and everything. I know that 9.04 had issues connecting to secure networks...
[05:33] <MongoTheMad> is there a mirror for security.ubuntu.com?
[05:34] <sethm131> MongoTheMad: Check out this site. not sure if there's anything there, seems promising though... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127549
[05:34] <nroot> sethm131: it does not even prompt for password and it was already a saved network, but now when I select "edit connection" I am not seeing my saved wireless networks
[05:34] <disismt> hi all
[05:35] <MongoTheMad> sethm131, not what I was looking for
[05:35] <sethm131> It says that archive.ubuntu.org works as a mirror
[05:36] <sethm131> Sorry if I'm misunderstanding though
[05:36] <sethm131> My brain shuts off around midnight
[05:36] <sethm131> #nroot Hit System > Administration > Network Tools
[05:36] <sethm131> nroot: And then once you're there, in the little dropdown box where it says Network Device, let me know what it says
[05:37] <MongoTheMad> I am stuck on waiting for headers
[05:37] <nroot> sethm131: ok
[05:38] <nroot> loopback, wlan0, wmaster0, pan0, eth0
[05:39] <disismt> I was upgrading my system to 9.10 and in the middle of downloading packages, my system rebooted (hard). Then I did apt-get upgrade ti finish things. After that I did apt-get clean, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade but for more than an hour now I get output like  http://paste.ubuntu.com/287562/ . What to do? Please help!
[05:39] <aprilhare> hey
[05:39] <nroot> sethm131: loopback, wlan0, wmaster0, pan0, eth0 . I think pan0 is bluetooth
[05:39]  * aprilhare wonders whose palm needs to be greased to get webcam support under karmic
[05:39] <sethm131> nroot: is loopback the one that was selected by default?
[05:39] <MongoTheMad> disismt, you cry.
[05:39] <aprilhare> it worked with later kernel under jaunty!
[05:39] <nroot> sethm131: yes
[05:40] <disismt> MongoTheMad, that's not helpful
[05:40] <MongoTheMad> sorry :/
[05:40] <sethm131> nroot: Select it again (if it's not already selected). At the bottom left of the box, there should be 'Interface Information'. what does it say the state is?
[05:42] <nroot> sethm131: multicast is active and status is disabled
[05:42] <nroot> sethm131: multicast is active and status is active (sorry)
[05:42] <nroot> sethm131: multicast is disabled and status is active (sorry)
[05:42] <nroot> :-P
[05:42] <sethm131> 3rd time's the charm :D
[05:43] <sethm131> nroot: Alright, go through wlan0 and wmaster0 and see what those have listed for their state
[05:44] <Veinor> yeah, it's a karmic ubiquity bug
[05:44] <nroot> sethm131: both are active
[05:45] <sethm131> Veinor: What is?
[05:45] <Veinor> the ??? ???
[05:46] <sethm131> Veinor: Oh, alright
[05:46] <MongoTheMad> Is there a reason why headers take so long to load?
[05:46] <Veinor> 9.04's installing fine; filing it as a bug on launchpad
[05:46] <sethm131> Veinor: Alright, sounds good
[05:46] <sethm131> nroot: Have you been able to connect to other wireless networks?
[05:46] <Veinor> then I'm going to try upgrading it from 9.04 after I get that installed.
[05:47] <sethm131> Yeah, just run Update Manager. It'll give you the option to upgrade. Just make sure your computer doesn't shut down halfway through. I had that problem. Such a pain to get it fixed.
[05:47] <sethm131> I have to go though. Sorry nroot. I would check to make sure that Karmic allows you to connect to secure networks. That's my only guess :/
[05:48] <nroot> sethm131: once i select *any* wireless network. the network manager applet stops responding. Only option then is to kill it and start again and then loop...
[05:48] <sethm131> nroot: Oh, okay. Try posting a thread on the ubuntu-forums website. Somebody there can prolly help you out. Sorry I'm no help
[05:48] <nroot> sethm131: yes i was able to connect before. it broke only after last update. thanks for your time :-)
[05:49] <sethm131> Hmm, I'm not sure then. Sorry again that I wasn't much help. Best of luck, and have a good night :)
[05:50] <nroot> sethm131: good night
[05:52] <godstar> Anyone running Karmic64?
[05:57] <MongoTheMad> godstar, I am trying
[05:57] <MongoTheMad> but my graphics card is broken :o
[05:58] <godstar> MongoTheMad: Hmm. That's why I asked. I guess if it breaks then it breaks. I usually wait for the release party actually.
[05:58] <NoelJB> godstar, of course
[05:59] <NoelJB> godstar, working fine here.  most stable version of ubuntu yet for me, bar none.
[05:59] <godstar> NoelJB: Sounds tempting. :D
[05:59] <godstar> Gonna try it. Take your word for it NoelJB.
[05:59] <NoelJB> nroot, what is your network problem?  I was elsewhere, and saw something about you having an issue?
[05:59] <MongoTheMad> godstar, I have ATI and I am trying to get the drivers installed. you may have better luck
[06:00] <NoelJB> nroot, if you have the hang on the nm-applet, you need to update and upgrade.  it is already fixed.
[06:01] <NoelJB> bug 444181
[06:01] <NoelJB> scary when I have bug #s memorized
[06:01] <godstar> MongoTheMad: hmm. I'm running ATI as well. Works seamless with JJ64.
[06:02] <godstar> MongoTheMad:  NoelJB: Gonna update my system first. Then distro upgrade.
[06:03] <NoelJB> godstar, backup, backup, backup  :-)
[06:05] <godstar> Here goes everything.
[06:09] <biped> Guys, I'm trying to backup my home folder to a flash drive before I run update manager in Karmic. When I sudo cp -r source destination I get permission errors.
[06:11] <aprilhare> generic icons look screwed up with the latest update (i held back for a number of days).
[06:16] <godstar> biped: Do you have permissions to write to the usb drive?
[06:23] <Omar87> I can't install flash player 10 on my computer.
[06:23] <Omar87> Trying to install the .deb packages gives me an error like: "bad file descriptor".
[06:26] <Omar87> Can anybody help me?
[06:27] <Veinor> awesome, now the newest karmic won't install at all
[06:27] <NoelJB> Omar87, 32 or 64 bit system?
[06:28] <Omar87> NoelJB, 32
[06:28] <NoelJB> ok.  then you want the package, and I don't know what's wrong with it.  sorry.  off to bed for me.
[06:28] <Omar87> NoelJB, thanks a lot for your effort. :)
[06:55] <aprilhare> grrr compiz is more unstable than ever
[06:55] <ssd7> Did a recent update anyone elses ability to open files?
[06:57] <xnok> hello
[06:59] <ssd7> all of my documents suddenly have the type text/plain or application/octet-stream
[07:00] <ibkanat> Hi I am having trouble getting my web cam to work.. Had it working with hardy I had to download gspcav make  but it doesnt seem to work for 2.6.31-12-generic
[07:01] <ibkanat> I guess the answer is to buy a new web cam... but it was working with ubuntu in 9.04
[07:04] <ibkanat> it kind of works except the screen is all green
[07:04] <PaulWall> it kind of works except the screen is all green
[07:04] <ibkanat> the led comes on and displays in cheese
[07:04] <ibkanat> :)
[07:06] <ibkanat> is there a better place to get help on freenode?
[07:07] <Veinor> are the UNR daily remixes not working?
[07:08] <Veinor> er, UNR dailies
[07:08] <DanaG> "displays in cheese" -- hmm, I just had a mental image of a screen full of swiss cheese.
[07:08] <Veinor> like, for example, I can't actually configure the partitions.
[07:10] <PaulWall> are the UNR daily remixes not working?
[07:10] <PaulWall> ulWall> are the UNR daily remixes not working?
[07:11] <Veinor> >
[07:11] <Veinor> ?
[07:11] <Veinor> I downloaded the latest Karmic remix and tried to install, but it failed. Couldn't even set the partitions up.
[07:12] <PaulWall> > I downloaded the latest Karmic remix and tried to install, but it failed. Couldn't even set the partitions up.
[07:15] <godstar> PaulWall: Try to install JJ 9.04 Remix first then due the distro upgrade.
[07:15] <PaulWall> PaulWall: Try to install JJ 9.04 Remix first then due the distro upgrade.
[07:17] <jussi01> PaulWall: are you a bot? or why are you copying everything?
[07:17] <PaulWall> PaulWall: are you a bot? or why are you copying everything?
[07:17] <jussi01> PaulWall: test
[07:17] <godstar> hmm.
[07:17] <PaulWall> PaulWall: test
[07:18] <jussi01> its a bot.
[07:18] <PaulWall>  hmm.
[07:18] <PaulWall> its a bot.
[07:18] <jussi01> PaulWall: feel free to comback if you are not a bot. but please discontinue this behaviour if you do.
[07:19] <PaulWall> ulWall: feel free to comback if you are not a bot. but please discontinue this behaviour if you do.
[07:19] <commander_> i need help.i can't upgrade
[07:19] <godstar> Ty jussi01
[07:19] <godstar> commander_: What's up?
[07:20] <commander_> it said i'm in a unusable state
[07:20] <commander_> my laptop
[07:20] <godstar> commander_: are you even getting to Grub?
[07:20] <commander_> i dunno
[07:21] <commander_> i go thru the process of update manager ..
[07:21] <commander_> n everything
[07:21] <godstar> Hmm.
[07:21] <commander_> said something about errors
[07:22] <godstar> commander_: do you know how to get into recovery console?
[07:22] <godstar> commander_: have you tried apt-get update?
[07:22] <commander_> no
[07:23] <commander_> i just did it
[07:23] <godstar> commander_: you can also try to run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:23] <godstar> commander_: in terminal as well.
[07:24] <bullgard4> Does Karmic install the DEB program package gnome-keyring by default? (Or did I install it by hand?)
[07:25] <commander_> godstar what do i do
[07:26] <godstar> commander_: try to run sudo dpkg --configure -a inside terminal
[07:26] <godstar> commander_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:27] <commander_> it just bring me back to the beginning of the terminal
[07:28] <godstar> commander_: are you trying to do a distro upgrade?
[07:28] <commander_> yes
[07:28] <commander_> update
[07:28] <godstar> commander_: update or upgrade?
[07:28] <commander_> upgrade
[07:28] <godstar> commander_: two different things.
[07:28] <commander_> upgrade G
[07:29] <godstar> commander_: can you get to the desktop in Ubuntu?
[07:30] <commander_> how?
[07:32] <godstar> commander_: does your computer even boot to the Ubuntu Desktop?
[07:32] <commander_> u want me to reboot or something
[07:32] <commander_> what?!
[07:32] <godstar> oi
[07:33] <iflema> ugh
[07:33] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[07:34] <godstar> commander_: Reboot. Login to your account. On your keyboard press the ALT+F2 keys and type update-manager -d then click 'run'.
[07:34] <Umeaboy> May I ask why I get an update for laptop when I'm using a stationary?
[07:34] <Umeaboy> laptop-mode-tools
[07:34] <commander_> godstar hold on i think it gonna work thru terminal
[07:35] <commander_> i did a sudo spt-get upgrade
[07:35] <commander_> sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:35] <gajop> this last update just screwed up my ability to open pdf files with evince :|
[07:35] <godstar> gajop: reinstall evince.
[07:36] <godstar> gajop: nm. I guess you were tol.
[07:36] <gajop> godstar, "tol"?
[07:36] <commander_> b caause when i did sudo apt-get update all the backports from Karmic showed up
[07:36] <godstar> tol=talking out loud
[07:37] <godstar> That reminds me. How can I become a Ubuntu Member?
[07:37] <gajop> godstar, ok, how do you reinstall stuff? any way other than removing and then installing? since ubuntu's package managers desire to get rid of other deps as well
[07:38] <godstar> gajop: are you doing a 'removal' or 'complete removal' in Synaptic?
[07:39] <gajop> godstar, synaptic? lol; no i prefer command line utils :P
[07:39] <commander_> g is it ok?
[07:40] <gajop> godstar, anyhow, i reinstalled it; i'm still getting: "File type unknown (application/octet-stream) is not supported"
[07:41] <godstar> gajop: you can try to do the aptitude purge 'app name' inside terminal and reinstall it. If this would too fail, I would try the add/remove gui and see if that does not resolve the issue.
[07:42] <bullgard4> Does Karmic install the DEB program package gnome-keyring by default? (Or did I install it by hand?)
[07:42] <dto> is there any ppa with a newer release of LAME?
[07:43] <godstar> bullgard4: all distros so far have come w gnome-keyring. And yes, Karmic comes with it by default.
[07:44] <rabidweezle> kubuntu has it's own keyring o_O
[07:44] <rabidweezle> at least in prior versions
[07:45] <MaWaLe> www.google.com
[07:45] <MaWaLe> ooops : sorry : windows mistake
[07:45] <rabidweezle> xD
[07:47] <rabidweezle> I did have a question, will I need to format my laptop to get ext4 when kKK comes out (kubuntu) to get the speed bonuses?
[07:48] <godstar> rabidweezle: I would say yes, especially if your / dir is ext3.
[07:48] <rabidweezle> or is there a way to format to ext4 without losing all my files?
[07:49] <godstar> rabidweezle: Not that I know of.
[07:49] <MaWaLe> rabidweezle : http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/04/how-to-convert-your-ext3-partition-to.html
[07:49] <rabidweezle> k, I'll just backup my home dir then
[07:49]  * rabidweezle looks
[07:50] <gajop> converting to ext4 isn't that hard
[07:50] <Veinor> ubuntu inside me? ew.
[07:50] <gajop> just be sure to do it once you unmount the partition you're converting, so if it's / you would need a livecd
[07:50] <MaWaLe> with karmic koala, ext4 is the by default file system
[07:51] <bullgard4> godstar: Thank you very much for your help.
[07:51] <rabidweezle> Thanks for the link MaWaLe
[07:51] <godstar> bullgard4: anytime.
[07:51] <MaWaLe> neverlind rabidweezle
[07:51] <MaWaLe> s/neverlind/nevermind :p
[07:52] <MaWaLe> i have to get some rest :d
[07:52] <rabidweezle> rest is for the weak
[07:52] <rabidweezle> ;)
[07:52] <godstar> lol
[07:53] <MaWaLe> not when you didn't sleep for 3 days
[07:53] <rabidweezle> ahh
[07:53] <rabidweezle> man, I used to do that
[07:53] <rabidweezle> I think everytime you do that you shorten your life by 2 weeks xD
[07:54] <godstar> no way.
[07:54] <MaWaLe> so i have to be died since the time i do so often
[07:54] <rabidweezle> ditto lol
[07:54] <godstar> tritto
[07:54] <godstar> lol
[07:54] <rabidweezle> I just called it "getting married"
[07:55] <MaWaLe> rabidweezle, i'm married and have a son also :p
[07:55] <rabidweezle> ditto
[07:55] <rabidweezle> lol
[07:55] <MaWaLe> and at home i have to leave my laptop to my son (frozen bubble and GCompris) :p
[07:56] <rabidweezle> I'm raising him on linux myself, he loves frozen bubble and tux kart
[07:56] <MaWaLe> so recently i bought him a desktop ;)
[07:56] <rabidweezle> mine's too young for his own desktop yet
[07:56] <rabidweezle> he's only 3
[07:57] <MaWaLe> mine is 3 years and a half xd
[07:57] <rabidweezle> maybe once he hits 5 to do his homework on
[07:57] <MaWaLe> he's bordn the 18th may 2006
[07:57] <rabidweezle> mine is a little too rough for computers yet
[07:58] <rabidweezle> he likes taking stuff apart piece by piece
[07:58] <MaWaLe> not for ubuntu use ;) ubuntu is designed for all ages even youngest one ;)
[07:59] <rabidweezle> true
[07:59] <rabidweezle> you pretty much can't break linux by playing around as a user
[07:59] <MaWaLe> rabidweezle, try to show him GCompris : he would love it
[07:59] <rabidweezle> kk
[08:00] <rabidweezle> man, wish I was born when he was
[08:00] <rabidweezle> already have broadband, lcd tv's, mass production high powered laptops, mp3 players...
[08:01] <rabidweezle> I had a stick
[08:01] <rabidweezle> lol
[08:01] <MaWaLe> and the PSP xd
[08:01] <rabidweezle> I had a gamegear after a while
[08:02] <MaWaLe> godstar, you asked for how bacoming an ubuntu member ??
[08:02] <rabidweezle> Imagine what your son's kid is going to have when he wakes up
[08:02] <godstar> MaWaLe: I did.
[08:03] <MaWaLe> godstar, it's so simple
[08:03] <MaWaLe> get a look here : http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[08:03] <MaWaLe> and here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[08:03] <MaWaLe> rabidweezle, TELEPORTATION :p
[08:04] <MaWaLe> so they will not have to drive to go work :(
[08:05] <godstar> MaWaLe: Ty.
[08:05] <rabidweezle> man, that would rock
[08:05] <godstar> Upgrade complete. Rebooting.
[08:05] <Deathvalley122> lol
[08:05]  * Deathvalley122 can't waits for karmic to be realeased
[08:06] <MaWaLe> Deathvalley122, you can try the beta one and so you can help debugging it with declaring your bugs
[08:06] <Deathvalley122> :S
[08:07] <Deathvalley122> I think I have tried that last time
[08:07] <MaWaLe> it's one of the way you can contribute with ubuntu
[08:07] <Deathvalley122> it screwed up my graphic driver
[08:07] <mzz> hmm, odd. I have Xorg frequently take 100% cpu the first time it runs after boot. If I log out and back in it tends to be fine. And it's usable before then, it just hogs the cpu.
[08:07] <mzz> I randomly tried strace-ing X, and it seems to be stuck doing *something* to /dev/tty7.
[08:08] <MaWaLe> Deathvalley122, since the beta release, i think that it's so stable : you can have a try
[08:08] <mikedep333> hey, all my files in nautilus are being opened with gedit
[08:08] <mikedep333> such as examples.desktop
[08:09]  * rabidweezle is afraid since he had to like smash his head on pavement to get his virgin mobile EVDO usb dongle to work in jaunty
[08:09] <mikedep333> well, the jpg is being rendered
[08:09] <mikedep333> but even an mp3 is being opened with gedit
[08:09] <mikedep333> should I reset some gnome config files or something?
[08:09] <Deathvalley122> nah I'll wait I am not a rush MaWaLe
[08:11] <mikedep333> anyone?
[08:12] <Deathvalley122> MaWaLe: when karmic does get released is it gonna be a mandatory upgrade or a optional upgrade?
[08:13] <mikedep333> Deathvalley122, new ubuntu releases are never mandatory, you just are strongly encouraged to upgrade once support for jaunty ends in 1 year
[08:13] <MaWaLe> Deathvalley122, it depends how you configure your update manager
[08:13] <rabidweezle> there's no such thing as "mandatory" just don't expect support for older other than LTS
[08:13] <SandGorgon> my zshrc isnt working properly on karmic - it gives errors with setopt. anybody know why
[08:13] <MaWaLe> but you'll be notified and it depends on your wish iof you want to migrate or not
[08:13] <Deathvalley122> hmm
[08:14] <rabidweezle> From what I saw of the boot up times for karmic though, I am really tempted to upgrade
[08:14] <MaWaLe> rabidweezle, 3 years for LTS and 18 months for regular releases ;)
[08:15] <mikedep333> rabidweezle, yeah
[08:15] <rabidweezle> :)
[08:15] <MaWaLe> mikedep333, you changed the mime type of all your files :s
[08:16] <MaWaLe> so you set it to be opened with gedit !!!
[08:16] <mikedep333> I don't know how it got like that
[08:16] <mikedep333> but since it isn
[08:16] <mikedep333> *isn't an issue on the guest account
[08:17] <mikedep333> I should be able to clear it
[08:18] <mac_v> !logs
[08:18] <MaWaLe> mikedep333, the file where your mime type are stored is : ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list
[08:19] <MaWaLe> mikedep333, and for all the system : /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[08:20] <MaWaLe> mikedep333, you can copy the second file and replace your own one to restore it to the default values
[08:22] <mikedep333> MaWaLe, thanks, logging out now
[08:23] <bullgard4> Why did Karmic install automatically the DEB program package 'postfix'?
[08:24] <roset> yup it's broke.
[08:24] <roset> eh.
[08:25] <gajop> heh, today's updates really screwed ubuntu for most users, pdfs can't be opened by evince and everything is automatically opened with gedit
[08:25] <Veinor> yeah.
[08:25] <mikedep333> MaWaLe, replacing defaults.list didn't help. I ended up renaming ~/.local/share/applications and ~/.local/share/mime and that fixed it
[08:26] <mzz> bullgard4: "aptitude why postfix" might know
[08:27] <MaWaLe> mikedep333, when you copied the files to your home dir do you change the permissions ?
[08:27] <mikedep333> MaWaLe, oh, let me try that
[08:27] <mzz> hmm, does ctrl+alt+f1 normally still work to switch vts?
[08:28] <mikedep333> MaWaLe, it is owned by me with rw access
[08:28] <mikedep333> and it was so before
[08:28] <MaWaLe> mzz, yes, push it twice (sometimes you have to do that to let it work)
[08:29] <mzz> MaWaLe: I've hit it about a dozen times now, and xev does see XF86_Switch_VT_1, but nothing happens
[08:29] <mzz> MaWaLe: this might be related to whatever's making X spin at 100% cpu usage trying to do something to /dev/tty7, which I'm trying to debug. Oh well, I have ssh
[08:32] <wekt> mzz what is the onnection with tty7?  Do you run Intel graphics?
[08:32] <mikedep333> are other people having trouble with the mime types?
[08:32] <wekt> mikedep333: no
[08:32] <mzz> wekt: nope, via. It's repeatedly failing a call to tcflush on /dev/tty7, iiuc. Still debugging, but hitting unrelated bugs while doing so, so it's a bit slow.
[08:35] <mzz> wekt: hah. I think I'm failing in xf86FlushInput, which tries to read and throw away all available input on an fd. So it's repeatedly waking up because there's input available on tty7, failing the tcflush, therefore never actually reading (and ignoring) the available input, and then immediately waking up again, etc
[08:36] <wekt> I'm also noticing extreme slowness rencently.  perhaps it is the same issue.  X consumes much CPU.
[08:38] <mzz> weird, I don't actually see any calls to xf86FlushInput in the xorg-server source
[08:38] <mzz> hmm, perhaps it's in the input driver
[08:38] <godstar> Hmm. Just upgraded to KK64. My partitions wont mount. "authentication required"
[08:43] <capiira> hi anyone experiencing compiz problems after latests karmic updates?
[08:43] <gajop> mikedep333, yes :P
[08:46] <wekt> capiira: experiencing X problems.  not specific with compiz
[08:46] <capiira> ah ok maybe its x too
[08:46] <capiira> just noticed because compiz dont run anymore
[08:47] <capiira> but maybe you're right, the desk feels super slow too
[08:47] <cgsawtell> hey
[08:48] <capiira> hou
[08:48] <cgsawtell> is anyone else having problems updating?
[08:48] <mzz> wekt: if it's the same thing I see you'll have X spinning at 100% cpu, and for some reason it goes away here if I log out and back in
[08:48] <mzz> it doesn't actually feel that slow, but it's a laptop and the spinning fan is annoying
[08:49] <capiira> im on netbook ;D maybe thats why it feels slow here
[08:50] <mzz> also, my current opinion on what happens if I try to "report a bug" in ubuntu is unprintable.
[08:51] <NoReflex> Hey guys! Do you know how I can open a multipart email attachment in Ubuntu (Karmic)?
[08:51] <wekt> mzz in that case, i will log out & back in
[08:52] <Veinor> From what I've heard, updating from a base install is a bad move?
[08:52] <Veinor> I mean, updating from the ISo
[08:57] <wekt> Are you having a probem regarding reporting or reading bugs, mz?
[08:57] <wekt> mzz
[09:00] <mzz> wekt: reporting. Specifically: being told to "Use the menu" to report bugs in the X server with a gdb session sitting on a non-ubuntu machine (yay ssh) is not helping my mood much.
[09:01] <wekt> I understand. mzz.   Using apport-cli worked well.  I understand Ubuntu wanting to use apport to increase reliability & in the nd provide a better UI.  Will be more reliable iff all users use apport instead of WWW UI.  See the directions for using apport-cli?
[09:02] <wekt> I guess the problem is that the non-ubuntu machine has no apport-cli package.
[09:02] <mzz> wekt: again, the gdb session I have (which I'm convinced has *much* more interesting information than anything apport could come up with) is not on a ubuntu system.
[09:03] <wekt> you use apport-cli to file the bug, not to just gather info.
[09:03] <mzz> non-ubuntu systems tend to have pretty decent webbrowsers but are a bit low on working apport-clis, and even if they had one they wouldn't buy me anything, what with apport-cli presumably wanting an apt db.
[09:04] <mzz> it really feels like I'm being punished for trying to file a decent bug report for a non-user-facing app
[09:04] <wekt> apport-cli would just construct the correct URL for you.
[09:04]  * mzz sighs and tries apport-cli
[09:05] <wekt> but then it will launch the web browser on the machine fwith broken X
[09:05] <godstar> So far KK64 is a success.
[09:05] <godstar> Minor issues, though is to be expected in Beta.
[09:09] <gribouille> hi
[09:09]  * mzz is literally making incoherent angry noises now, which is unusual
[09:09] <Sledger1> anyone in here ever personally setup a WinTV-HVR-1600 and had it work?
[09:09] <mzz> "After copying it to a different system you can file that report using ubuntu-bug -c <location of apport file>. "
[09:09] <mzz> dear ubuntu: sometimes people like to file bugs from systems that aren't ubuntu systems.
[09:10] <gribouille> I've succesffully installed karmic, but there is just a little problem : grub boots the new system by default. how can I make it boot the old system ?
[09:10] <wekt> wow.  i looked for the web page to describe filing bug reports on launchpad.net & no longer find it.
[09:13] <Veinor> mzz: Yeah, the current bug report mechanism is kinda sucky
[09:14] <Veinor> meawhile, you can go to http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect
[09:14] <Sledger1> I need to download the drivers for my winTV card
[09:14] <Sledger1> it says they are here
[09:14] <Sledger1> http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/v4l-dvb/v4l-dvb/v4l-dvb/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.zip/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.gz/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.bz2/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.gz
[09:14] <Sledger1> Any help in this matter?
[09:14] <Sledger1> I cannot find where to download the driver..
[09:15] <capiira> veinor yeah but sadly you cant report directly to karmic
[09:15] <Veinor> where did you get that link from, Sledger1
[09:15] <Sledger1> Veinor:  vendors site
[09:15] <mzz> Veinor: which requires me to manually construct the bloody url, after reading through most of that reporting bugs wiki page to even *find* the bloody template
[09:15] <Veinor> cyeah. :/
[09:15] <Veinor> Sledger1: try http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/v4l-dvb/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.zip ?
[09:16] <Veinor> er
[09:16] <Veinor> http://linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/v4l-dvb/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.gz
[09:16] <Sledger1> great, but I always have trouble with Makefile
[09:16] <Sledger1> Veinor: yes that's the site, which link do I push?
[09:16] <Veinor> Oh
[09:16] <Veinor> you see the line under "Mercurial Repositories" with "v4l-dvb" at the start?
[09:17] <Sledger1> yes
[09:17] <Veinor> .. huh. It's not letting me download any of them
[09:17] <mzz> and I just tried apport-cli, which produced an apport file, but apparently there isn't a *form* I can use to upload that file, nooooo, I have to use the ubuntu-bug utility. Seriously, wtf?
[09:17] <Veinor> hold on a second.
[09:17] <Sledger1> nod.
[09:17] <wekt> With all the cons,you can still console yourself by saying, "At least it's not the Debian Bug Tracking System"
[09:18] <Sledger1> http://linuxtv.org/downloads/
[09:18] <Veinor> Try http://linuxtv.org/downloads/linuxtv-dvb-1.0.1.tar.gz and see if that works?
[09:18] <joaopinto> mzz, you can report a bug directly from the web, you just need to manually edit the url, I doin't know the details
[09:18] <capiira> uhmm /me likes the debian bug system :)
[09:19] <wekt> joaopinto: Veinor provided details.
[09:19] <capiira> just browse for right package and write a mail
[09:19] <Sledger1> Veinor:  that worked now if you could please, explain to me on how to install it, it has makefile and INSTALL
[09:19] <joaopinto> ops, great :)
[09:19] <mzz> fortunately the bug is already filed. Guess how much faster I would've found out if I would've just gotten to the previous bug report form, which would've allowed me to enter the summary, after which it would've given me exactly the bug I just found as a potential duplicate!
[09:19] <Veinor> Sledger1: type make
[09:19] <Veinor> in a terminal in tht directory
[09:20] <wekt> capiira: Often my reports vanish in Debian BTS.  They need some action from maintainer i guess.   you also have all the problems of e-mails in your BTS
[09:21] <Sledger1> ok
[09:21] <capiira> thats true too
[09:21] <Sledger1> Veinor:  *** [dvb] Error 2
[09:21] <Veinor> hm
[09:21] <Sledger1>  *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.31-11-generic/build/Rules.make'.  Stop.
[09:22] <Sledger1> let me pastebin it
[09:22] <Veinor> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.31-11-generic
[09:22] <Veinor> ?
[09:22] <capiira> but i see lot of untouched/unseen bug reports of approx 5 months ago in launchpad too
[09:23] <Sledger1> http://pastebin.com/d743263e3
[09:23] <Sledger1> Veinor:  do I need to do that?
[09:23] <wekt> capiira: by 'vanish' i mean that i write them, then they are not visible by web interface.
[09:23] <capiira> ah ok
[09:24] <Sledger1> linux-headers-2.6.31-11-generic is already the newest version.
[09:24] <Sledger1> I tpyed "make"
[09:24] <Veinor> Sledger1: yes
[09:24] <Veinor> hm
[09:24] <Sledger1> and that pastebin is the outcome
[09:24] <Veinor> copy-paste INSTALL into pastebin for me?
[09:25] <Sledger1> joe@joe-desktop:~/Download/linuxtv-dvb-1.0.1$ INSTALL
[09:25] <Sledger1> INSTALL: command not found
[09:26] <Veinor> ah, found it
[09:26] <Sledger1> ISN'T IT ./make
[09:26] <Veinor> downloaded it myself
[09:26] <Veinor> I meant the contents of the install file
[09:26] <Sledger1> oh
[09:26] <Sledger1> lol
[09:26] <Veinor> gimme a second
[09:28] <Veinor> I dunno, try asking on the forums :/
[09:28] <Veinor> or ask again here later
[09:35] <ubuntistas> how can my change my name in karmic any clue?
[09:35] <koolhead17> hey all
[09:36] <ubuntistas> how can my change my name in karmic any clue?
[09:39] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: You can change you 'name' in the user management app, but changing your username will be trickier
[09:39] <KruyKaze> i cannot set individual file associations anymore
[09:40] <KruyKaze> can you help me?
[09:41] <ubuntistas> where is that joeboy? is it easy?
[09:42] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: System->Administration->Users and groups
[09:43] <ubuntistas> yes iam there joeboy but how can i do that, i cannot find a way to do that
[09:43] <KruyKaze> can someone help me get file associations work again ?
[09:44] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: doubleclick on your account, alter the 'Real name' setting (I've never actually tried this btw, I assume it works)
[09:44] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: like I say, altering your actual username is probably rather more involved
[09:45] <ubuntistas> joeboy thatt's what i to do, change my username
[09:45] <ubuntistas> i mean want
[09:45] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: might be easier to just make yourself a new account and copy your stuff over
[09:45] <alpha> KruyKaze: does it have sth to do with Karmic? (Ubuntu 9.10)
[09:46] <KruyKaze> alpha, i am on karmic
[09:47] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: if you're up for taking a risk, edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and see what happens (my prediction is stuff will break)
[09:48] <godstar> KruyKaze: file association as in files will not open with appropriate apps?
[09:48] <ubuntistas> anyway thx joeboy iam not going to try that one
[09:48] <Joeboy> ubuntistas: you are wise :-)
[09:48] <KruyKaze> godstar, when i set an association it changes it for ALL extentions
[09:49] <Sledger1>  You must have the kernel sources for the kernel you are actually using
[09:49] <Sledger1> (04:49:07) Sledger1:   installed, and symlinked to /lib/modules/$(KERNEL_VERSION)/build.
[09:49] <Sledger1> (04:49:07) Sledger1:   Otherwise, change the path for KERNEL_LOCATION in DVB/driver/Makefile.
[09:49] <godstar> KruyKaze: I am really sure. Have you done the usual apt-get clean, apt-get update etc?
[09:50] <wekt> mzz: what bug #?
[09:50] <KruyKaze> godstar, no
[09:50] <Sledger1> does anyone understand this
[09:50] <godstar> KruyKaze: Try that in terminal.
[09:50] <KruyKaze> godstar, both?
[09:50] <godstar> KruyKaze: sudo apt-get clean
[09:50] <godstar> KruyKaze: sudo apt-get update
[09:51] <godstar> KruyKaze:  1st then second yes.
[09:51] <Joeboy> anyone else seing weird desktop preview wrongness - http://tubbs.trition.org.uk/files/Screenshot-1.png ?
[09:51] <KruyKaze> done
[09:51] <mzz> wekt: bug 439138
[09:51] <KruyKaze> godstar, done
[09:51] <godstar> KruyKaze: you may want to update your source list
[09:51] <Sledger1> ;/
[09:51] <Sledger1> no?
[09:52] <mzz> wekt: I'm moving on to debugging why the apport report for my resume not working broke launchpad, after which I'll try to debug the actual resume problem
[09:52] <KruyKaze> god all i have is canonical and medibuntu
[09:52] <KruyKaze> godstar*
[09:53] <godstar> KruyKaze: one sec
[09:53] <KruyKaze> godstar, ok
[09:54] <godstar> KruyKaze: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1148410.html
[09:54] <godstar> KruyKaze: then run your update manager again. See if that does not fix the file issue.
[09:55] <godstar> I just upgraded to KK64 like 30 mins ago, so I am trying to unbreak some things myself.
[09:56] <godstar> Currently my update manager is not updating. Updates just fine on my KK NBR I have running.
[09:56] <KruyKaze> godstar, i'll edit accordingly and test thanks
[09:56] <godstar> KruyKaze: Anytime.
[09:57] <Veinor> oh, is the file association issue fixed?
[09:57] <Veinor> so it's safe to update?
[09:58] <KruyKaze> Veinor, still trying to fix it
[09:58] <Veinor> ah.
[09:58] <KruyKaze> Veinor, brb
[09:58] <Veinor> I meant, has it been fixed server-side
[09:58] <Veinor> so it won't break any new machines
[09:59] <tanath> my last round of updates broke my desktop icons >.<
[10:00] <tanath> icons show as pages, text includes .desktop, and running them gives a prompt. and why i say to run it, it opens the file in gedit.
[10:00] <tanath> *when i
[10:01] <KruyKaze> ok rebooting brb
[10:04] <dodddummy> a bug for the desktop icons revert shared-mime-info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shared-mime-info/+bug/444962
[10:05] <Ali_> hi guys i have a little probem - some file types are now showing as text files! eg rm files mp4 files and doc files - so all the icons are showing up as text files - any way to solve this?
[10:05] <mikedep333> hey, so on windows, my acer aspire 1410 gets 6 hours of battery life under light usage, on karmic, it only gets 4. should I report this as a bug or something?
[10:06] <KruyKaze> that did not work
[10:06] <tanath> also, recent updates have messed up the bottom gnome panel so that i have to keep clicking to give a window focus
[10:06] <KruyKaze> i mean changing the sources list
[10:06] <mikedep333> Ali_, yes, I'm having the same problem
[10:06] <mikedep333> probably an update will fix it
[10:06] <tanath> Ali_, same here
[10:06] <Ali_> aha
[10:06] <mikedep333> I did a hackish solution
[10:06] <mikedep333> but I may have made things worse for me in the long run
[10:06] <Ali_> hmm
[10:06] <Ali_> so no solution yet?
[10:07] <mikedep333> no good one
[10:07] <Ali_> drat
[10:07] <mikedep333> yeah, this is why it is called beta
[10:07] <Ali_> :)
[10:07] <Ali_> but google is in beta for ever
[10:07] <Ali_> :)
[10:07] <Ali_> ;)
[10:07] <mikedep333> LOL, good point
[10:07]  * Ali_ is stirring 
[10:07] <mikedep333> it could be worse
[10:07] <mikedep333> try reactOS ;)
[10:08] <Ali_> it sure could
[10:08] <Ali_> it could be alpha
[10:08] <Ali_> :D
[10:08] <Ali_> btw i got a mac
[10:08] <Ali_> and i must say
[10:08] <Ali_> i love it
[10:08] <mikedep333> nice, I have a Macbook 5,1
[10:08] <mikedep333> I got it for dirt cheap too
[10:08] <Ali_> although my heart is sill in love with ubunu
[10:08] <mikedep333> same here
[10:08] <Ali_> yeah i got a macbook pro and MAN is it nice
[10:08] <mikedep333> yeah
[10:09] <mikedep333> just consider the battery life
[10:09] <Ali_> but hey i'm just in love with good old ubuntu
[10:09] <mikedep333> my macbook 5,1  (aluminum unibody 13" with a geforce 9400) gets upto 5 horus of battery life with wifi going
[10:09] <mikedep333> and the screen not too dim
[10:09] <mikedep333> of course, that is on OS X
[10:09] <Ali_> yeah
[10:09] <mikedep333> but ubuntu has very lackluster use of the trackpad
[10:10] <Ali_> lackluster?
[10:10] <mikedep333> only in karmic did it introduce dual-click for right-click
[10:10] <mikedep333> and it is done very poorly
[10:10] <tanath> ok, these last updates have made gnome panel worse
[10:10] <mikedep333> well, incomplete I should say
[10:10] <Ali_> there is no way i'm installing ubuntu on my mac :D
[10:10] <tanath> i just clicked a window like 20 times, and can't give it focus. it just eats the clicks
[10:10] <Ali_> i will leave ubuntu for my main machine
[10:10] <Ali_> btw anyone having problems with kacpid eating up all cpu?
[10:11] <mikedep333> Ali_, my native installation of ubuntu was a TON of trouble
[10:11] <mikedep333> on my mac
[10:11] <Ali_> lol that's why i won't install it onmy mac :)
[10:11] <tanath> Ali_, nope
[10:11] <mikedep333> wubi is however a good way to go for a mac
[10:11] <Ali_> foget it
[10:11] <Ali_> just stick with macos x snow leopard on a macbook
[10:11] <mikedep333> ok
[10:12] <Ali_> and stick with ubuntuon a pc
[10:12] <mikedep333> at least you have a moderate amount of free software that way
[10:12] <Veinor> I love my 1005ha.
[10:12] <Ali_> best of both worlds
[10:12] <tanath> anyone else have probs with compiz?
[10:12] <Ali_> anyone using that gnome shell thingy?
[10:12] <mikedep333> tanath, wine is crashing it for me
[10:12] <mikedep333> at least before the last update or two
[10:12] <tanath> mikedep333, wine?
[10:12] <tanath> mikedep333, how is wine crashing it?
[10:12] <mikedep333> wine, the windows emulator, when running windows 3d apps
[10:12] <godstar> Veinor: have you gotten compiz to work on your eeepc?
[10:12] <tanath> oh
[10:13] <Veinor> godstar: yep.
[10:13] <tanath> mikedep333, i haven't been able to get compiz to even run for a couple months on 9.10
[10:13] <tanath> worked before the upgrade though
[10:13] <mikedep333> tanath, I have an intel GMA 4500MHD netbook, a geforce 9400 macbook, and a Geforce 8600GTS desktop. Compiz has run overall well on them
[10:13] <Veinor> godstar: I use fusion-icon and enable indirect rendering.
[10:13] <Ali_> so noone using gnome shell?
[10:13] <Veinor> and turn the textures down to low in ccsm
[10:14] <Ali_> it looks quite good
[10:14] <tanath> fusion-icon and ccsm won't run either
[10:14] <Ali_> but i couldn't figure out how to start it
[10:14] <tanath> they all segfault
[10:14] <godstar> Veinor: hmm.
[10:14] <Veinor> which eeepc do you have?
[10:15] <mikedep333> Veinor, I have an aspire 1410
[10:15] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[10:15] <godstar> Veinor: 901 :(
[10:15] <Veinor> oh, dunno there
[10:15] <mikedep333> godstar, I sold my 901
[10:15] <tanath> mikedep333, any idea what might cause compiz, ccsm, and fusion-icon to all segfault?
[10:15] <mikedep333> it was nice to have a system with linux
[10:15] <mikedep333> tanath, what's your graphics adapter?
[10:15] <JohnFlux> Will 9.10 support my 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[10:15] <mikedep333> and how long has ubuntu been installed?
[10:15] <JohnFlux> In 9.04 it's really slow - I had to disable all effects etc
[10:16] <JohnFlux> I found a guide ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1231030 )  but it's long and complicated
[10:16] <godstar> godstar: Yeah I may upgrade. I still think eeepc is great.
[10:16] <mikedep333> JohnFlux, yes, it will be moderately better, my friend has an x1600 series and he said so
[10:16] <tanath> mikedep333, ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
[10:16] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: hmm, in that case I might just wait/upgrade to 9.10
[10:16] <JohnFlux> rather than trying this rather complicated manual compiling of the driver from git
[10:16] <mikedep333> yeah, I would recommend you wait/upgrade
[10:16] <mikedep333> at least wait till the RC
[10:17] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: that's only a few days, no?
[10:17] <godstar> Veinor: lol that message was intended for you. My bad.
[10:17] <Veinor> ah.
[10:17] <godstar> Veinor: sent to self. :D
[10:17] <Veinor> Yeah, you can get a 1005HA for like... $380 off of amazon.
[10:18] <Veinor> I plan o nswapping the wireless card for a better one and swapping the hard drive for a SDD
[10:18] <JohnFlux> does ubuntu have a "support hardware" guide?
[10:18] <mikedep333> JohnFlux, more like 2 weeks
[10:18] <Veinor> er, SSD
[10:18] <mikedep333> JohnFlux: support hardware guide?
[10:18] <mikedep333> you mean like a hardware compatibility list?
[10:18] <mikedep333> the wiki has info on common hardware
[10:18] <JohnFlux> ah I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[10:19] <Veinor> godstar: I think the 1005HA also has perfect support on karmic
[10:19] <godstar> Veinor: can the ram be upgraded?
[10:19] <Veinor> yes, to 2GB
[10:19] <godstar> Veinor: where can I purchase some?
[10:19] <Veinor> hard drive requires removing the keyboard, but the ram can be popped easily
[10:19] <tanath> wish i knew why compiz wouldn't work anymore
[10:19] <mikedep333> JohnFlux, ati stopped issueing official proprietary drivers (fglrx) for the x1000 series
[10:19] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: how sucky of them
[10:20] <Veinor> gimme a sec, let me look up what I got
[10:20] <Veinor> I ordered it off of amazon
[10:20] <mikedep333> so the open source drivers are the only option on ubuntu 9.10
[10:20] <mikedep333> and they are improving rapidly
[10:20] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: that's cool
[10:20] <Veinor> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F7QRTG/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
[10:20] <tanath> mikedep333, they seem to be doing the opposite to me
[10:21] <Veinor> That's what I got.
[10:21] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati       <-- this would be the open source driver, right?
[10:21] <mikedep333> yeah
[10:21] <mikedep333> anything but fglrx
[10:21] <mikedep333> there is the driver radeon
[10:21] <godstar> Veinor: ohhhh so eeepc gets sodimm like a regular lappy?
[10:21] <mikedep333> radeonhd
[10:21] <Veinor> yep.
[10:21] <godstar> Veinor: ahh in that case.
[10:21] <mikedep333> godstar, yes, but it only uses one
[10:22] <godstar> mikedep333: only uses one what? Slot? Speed?
[10:22] <Veinor> one slot.
[10:22] <mikedep333> yeah
[10:22] <Veinor> unfortunately, you can't easily swap HDDs.
[10:22] <mikedep333> if you have the atom N280, you will benefit from 667 mhz ram
[10:22] <godstar> I have the N270
[10:22] <mikedep333> if you have the atom n270, you will only benefit from 533 mhz
[10:22] <godstar> hmm.
[10:23] <JohnFlux> mikedep333: any idea what the difference between  radeon and radeonhd drivers are?
[10:23] <godstar> Good to know.
[10:23] <godstar> mikedep333: Ty. I'll read up on it.
[10:23] <mikedep333> radeonHD is a newer incomplete driver I think
[10:23] <godstar> Either way its ddr2 :p
[10:23] <mikedep333> I think radeonHD is necessary for the 2000, 3000, 4000 series
[10:24] <godstar> Veinor: so purchase 1 stick, 2gb ddr2 sodimm?
[10:24] <Veinor> yep.
[10:24] <mikedep333> yup
[10:24] <godstar> Done.
[10:24] <Veinor> some 1005HAs have a N280, some have a N270.
[10:24] <godstar> Thank you both.
[10:24] <mikedep333> np
[10:24] <Tarthen> 1005HA?
[10:24] <godstar> Veinor: what do you mean?
[10:24] <Veinor> there's the HA-V and the HA-P
[10:24]  * Tarthen looks at his 1000H and thinks it needs an upgrade
[10:25] <mikedep333> http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon
[10:25] <Veinor> the P is $50 more, but it has the 280 and a better battery.
[10:25] <mikedep333> there is information about the difference between radeon and radeonhd there
[10:25] <Veinor> also if you get it in black, you might want to get some stickers or something as an anti-fingerprint measure ;)
[10:26] <mikedep333> here's my netbook
[10:26] <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-AS1410-8414-11-6-Inch-Sapphire/dp/B002LEXA64/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254906671&sr=8-1
[10:26] <Veinor> I'm going to put some white vinyl stickers on the back and palmrests so they don't get all print-y
[10:26] <godstar> Veinor: did you see the Perchlorate warning on your eeepc box?
[10:27] <Veinor> ?
[10:27] <Veinor> No, I don't recall that
[10:27] <godstar> Veinor: apparently eeepc gives off some chemical called Perchlorate that affects the thyroid.
[10:27] <godstar> Srsly.
[10:27] <Tarthen> What
[10:27] <Veinor> Haha
[10:28] <Tarthen> It's made of standard parts
[10:28] <godstar> Srsly.
[10:28] <Veinor> That sounds like it's something used in manufacturing that you might want to avoid during opening it or something
[10:28] <Veinor> I dunno
[10:28]  * Tarthen ordered his netbook with the extra 266mhz Perchlorate
[10:28] <godstar> Veinor: Do you still have the box you bought it in?
[10:28] <Veinor> Nope.
[10:28] <godstar> lol Tarthen
[10:28] <Veinor> also, perchlorate's effects apparently only last as long as the exposure in healthy adults
[10:29] <mikedep333> can anyone point me to where I can order an ubuntu case sticker?
[10:29] <Veinor> so, uh. don't keep buying them I guess.
[10:29] <Tarthen> >>
[10:29] <Tarthen> isn't the Eee made up of the same motherboard as all the other netbooks?
[10:29] <Veinor> maybe asus is extra paranoid about lawsuits?
[10:29] <Tarthen> and the only special bit is that the bigger eees have HDDs
[10:29] <mikedep333> Tarthen, different netbooks have different motherboards, but they almost all have the same chipsets
[10:30] <godstar> Veinor: right.
[10:30] <Veinor> mikedep333: https://usshop.ubuntu.com/product.php?catid=2&code=09%2095101
[10:30]  * Tarthen has his box here
[10:30] <Veinor> ?
[10:30] <Tarthen> No warning signs
[10:30] <godstar> Tarthen: look at the bottom right of it.
[10:30] <Veinor> aside from one about your battery?
[10:31] <Tarthen> nope
[10:31] <Tarthen> says something about the GPL, a barcode, and some logos
[10:31] <godstar> Tarthen: thats where my warning is
[10:31] <godstar> just below the GPL
[10:32] <Tarthen> barcode
[10:32] <mikedep333> Veinor, thanks, but it won't let me select the quantity
[10:32] <Veinor> Hm
[10:32] <Tarthen> got the manual
[10:32] <Veinor> I dunno, it wasn't on the official store. Maybe they don't sell them anymore?
[10:32] <mikedep333> yeah
[10:33] <Tarthen> the only stuff in the safety bit is Wifi, lithium ion and not to put it in water
[10:33] <Tarthen> 1000H, XP, black, bte
[10:33] <Tarthen> btw*
[10:33] <Tarthen> no death in my netbook, sorry
[10:34] <mikedep333> I love the absence of essays on the bottom of my macbook
[10:34] <Tarthen> netbook itself has nothing about it
[10:35] <Tarthen> wait
[10:35] <Tarthen> some death detected
[10:35]  * Tarthen scratches off the XP license
[10:35] <godstar> If I have to. I'll take a pic of it and then post it on imageshack.
[10:35] <Tarthen> thats better
[10:36] <godstar> Fact is, I'd never heard of that chemical until I was looking at my box today.
[10:36] <Tarthen> Asus wouldn't sell a product that could kill you
[10:36] <godstar> lmao
[10:37] <Tarthen> especially if they are mass selling and have a low profit ratio
[10:37] <Veinor> Technically, it's an ion, not a chemical.
[10:37] <Veinor> ClO₄¯
[10:37] <Tarthen> so all we need is that but positive and we're right
[10:37] <Tarthen> :P
[10:37] <godstar> Time to leave my eeepc turned off and only turn it on as needed or to update it.
[10:38] <Tarthen> eh'
[10:38] <Tarthen> i wouldn't worry, tbh
[10:38] <Veinor> Tarthen: No, if you're positive then you'll attract them!
[10:38] <godstar> I have it right next to me, lid open and all.
[10:38] <Veinor> hm, what else do I need to install
[10:38] <Tarthen> some g4 or so Macbooks gave people lung problems
[10:38] <Tarthen> don't stress, a netbook will do bugger all
[10:38] <Tarthen> just wear a radiation suit
[10:39] <Veinor> oh god, what do I do with .Private
[10:40] <godstar> lol
[10:40] <Tarthen> it was make public
[10:40] <Veinor> I have it all encrypted for some reason and I have no clue how to use that
[10:43] <godstar> Hmm. Does anyone know why Karmic wont update?
[10:43] <Tarthen> ...is there updates?
[10:43] <godstar> Yeah.
[10:44] <Tarthen> tried apt-get?
[10:44] <godstar> My NBR updated fine.
[10:44] <godstar> Tried that.
[10:44] <Tarthen> dpkg repair?
[10:45] <godstar> I am not getting a dpkg error. When I open Update Manager, it shows me updates, then I click install, the updates uncheck themselves and remain uninstalled.
[10:46] <Tarthen> what does apt-get upgrade say
[10:46] <Tarthen> then you'll know if its UM spazzing and not the underlying apt
[10:47] <godstar> I'm running sudo update-manager now. And I am seeing it trying to update. Just spinning its wheels though. Says "applying changes" and not installing anything.
[10:47] <Tarthen> well cancel that
[10:47] <Tarthen> if you can
[10:48] <godstar> Had to force quit it. : /
[10:48] <Tarthen> kayu
[10:48] <Tarthen> now do it in console
[10:48] <Tarthen> sudo apt-get upgrade, and see what it says
[10:48] <godstar> Its locked
[10:49] <godstar> Gotta kill it first.
[10:49] <Tarthen> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[10:50] <Tarthen> then try
[10:50] <godstar> still locked
[10:50] <Veinor> hey, do you know if they fixed the compiz and mime-type bugs?
[10:50] <Veinor> or should I not upgrade?
[10:51] <Tarthen> godstar: sudo rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[10:51] <Tarthen> then
[10:51] <mikedep333> on the us mirror, I don't see any mime-type related fixes
[10:51] <Tarthen> that will unlock it
[10:51] <Tarthen> if that doesn't work, restart
[10:52] <godstar> yeah
[10:52] <godstar> looks like it
[10:52] <godstar> Gonna log out instead
[10:52] <godstar> brb
[10:52] <Tarthen> ....
[10:53] <Tarthen> logout won't fix it >:C
[10:53] <Veinor> mikedep333: oh dear :(
[10:53] <Veinor> not updating, then.
[10:56] <KruyKaze> i tried restting my sources list and updating but still no file association
[10:56] <Tarthen> godstar: you need to reboot
[10:56] <Tarthen> godstar: apt is system wide
[10:57] <godstar> Tarthen: logged out and ran the apt-get upgrade. Its downloading.
[10:57] <godstar> Tarthen: I didn't even think of it. Then again its 6am on my side of the fence.
[10:57] <KruyKaze> oh by the way file association work fine on my laptop
[10:58] <godstar> Tarthen: looks like the gui Update Manager is broke.
[10:58] <godstar> Worked fine in KK NBR like I said.
[10:59] <godstar> Finished updating/installing. Rebooting.
[11:03] <godstar> Tarthen: That seemed to get it. Thx.
[11:03] <damagu> Hey all, my gnome-panel has crashed and it won't reappear. I've restarted x and that doesn't help. I've also managed to get a terminal up and run sudo pkill gnome-panel. That caused it show up briefly but it disappeared again. Can anyone suggest a way to refresh it?
[11:03] <Tarthen> what does running plain gnome-panel do
[11:03] <damagu> It says gnome-panel is already running
[11:04] <Tarthen> hmm
[11:04] <Tarthen> i believe there is already a bug posted somewhere on Launchy
[11:05] <Tarthen> someone got to my blog by a search for "karmic gnome-panel gone" so, it is a known problem it seems
[11:11] <damagu> yeah I found some instructions for what appears to be the same problem
[11:11] <damagu> something to do with the clock.
[11:11] <edgy> Hi, if I hit my touchpad with my finger, I guess this should emulate left-mouse click but it's not working! any tip?
[11:11] <damagu> go to the mouse options in system > preferences
[11:12] <Ali_> hi anyone havng problem wth virtual box
[11:12] <Ali_> with the new kernerl?
[11:12] <Ali_> kernel
[11:12] <Ali_> the kernel module for virtualbox is not compiling
[11:13] <damagu> then there is an option for enabling tap to click
[11:13] <edgy> damagu: unfortunately, it worked. It shouldn't be that easy ;)
[11:13] <edgy> Ali_: it's working for me
[11:13] <Ali_> hmm
[11:13] <Ali_> what kernel u on edgy
[11:13] <Ali_> ?
[11:14] <iflema> Ali_: done this today.... took a little time...
[11:14] <edgy> Ali_: Linux dv6 2.6.31-12-generic-pae #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon Oct 5 23:19:48 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:14] <Ali_> 2.6.31-12-generic
[11:14] <Ali_> how did u fix it?
[11:14] <Ali_> same kernel as me
[11:14] <Ali_> iflema, what was the problem?
[11:14] <edgy> Ali_: no I am using the pae but don't think it would make a diff
[11:15] <edgy> Ali_: I have no problem so I've done nothing to fix it
[11:15] <Ali_> pae?
[11:15] <edgy> Ali_: pae would support RAM > 3G
[11:15] <Ali_> hmm
[11:15] <Ali_> for the vm
[11:15] <Ali_> or for ur machine?
[11:16] <edgy> Ali_: for the real/host/my machine
[11:16] <Ali_> oic
[11:16] <Ali_> iflema, what did u do to get it working?
[11:18] <iflema> Ali_: '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' i waited and it finished.....
[11:21] <Ali_> iflema, it is not compiling for me
[11:21] <Ali_> giving me an error
[11:21] <Tarthen> hmm
[11:21] <Tarthen> downloading now...
[11:21] <Tarthen> you guys i386 or AMD64?
[11:21] <iflema> Ali_: whats the version of virtualbox youron
[11:22]  * TheSage is 64 bit
[11:23] <TheSage> I have had a few Video problems though. And I see Adobe's 64 bit flash is still quite the Alpha.
[11:23]  * Tarthen is too
[11:23] <Ali_> 2.2.4 r47978
[11:23] <Tarthen> :( worst choice ever
[11:23] <Tarthen> specially when you share a /home with a 32bit OS
[11:24] <TheSage> Tarthen - I always run the Ubuntu Beta's at 64 bit then return to 32 Bit once the Final is out.
[11:24] <Tarthen> i've stuck with 32bit
[11:24] <Tarthen> but I gave in to the whole better performance argument
[11:24] <Tarthen> i don't see the difference, everything is equally fast
[11:25] <TheSage> Tarthen - Unless you have something that needs more than 4 gigs of Memory, there is no such gain.
[11:25] <godstar> 64 does seem to run better than 32 was tbh.
[11:25] <Tarthen> hmm
[11:25] <Tarthen> does this PC have 4GB
[11:25] <Ali_> does everything work on 64bit?
[11:25] <Tarthen> kinda
[11:25] <Ali_> i don't quite get how it works
[11:25] <TheSage> Ali_ - For the most part.
[11:25] <Tarthen> Songbird addons are screwed up
[11:26] <Ali_> so u have to install everything again?
[11:26] <edgy> Ali_: no
[11:26] <Tarthen> and Pidgin don't like links
[11:26] <Tarthen> uh
[11:26] <Tarthen> yeah
[11:26] <Tarthen> you do
[11:26] <Ali_> what about debs on sites - 32 bit ones?
[11:26] <godstar> Ali_: Most everything works for KK64 yes.
[11:26] <TheSage> Ali - There are a few glitches here and there though.
[11:26] <Tarthen> you can run 32 and 64 apps in 64bit
[11:26] <Tarthen> but you have to reinstall your OS
[11:26] <godstar> Links are working fine for me.
[11:26] <Tarthen> hm
[11:27] <Tarthen> godstar: Platform and version?
[11:27] <Tarthen> lol
[11:27] <godstar> amd64 KK64 Beta
[11:27] <Tarthen> i got this PC 2nd hand
[11:27] <Tarthen> and the guy I got it off was a tad dodgy, methinks xD
[11:27] <godstar> Just installed it like 3 hrs ago.
[11:27] <Tarthen> ah
[11:27] <TheSage> My recomendation is that unless you have a specific reason you want to run 64 bit, run 32 bit.
[11:28] <Tarthen> I might reinstall when the final comes out
[11:28] <Tarthen> maybe
[11:28] <Ali_> hold on
[11:28] <godstar> Tarthen: Really, I do see the performance difference.
[11:28] <Ali_> if u can install 32 bit apps on 64 bit op sys
[11:28] <Ali_> what's the point of sticking to 32bit op systhen
[11:28] <Tarthen> Ali_: 64bit isn't as mature
[11:29] <godstar> I was running Ubuntu JJ32 on 1.8ghz and 3GB ram
[11:29] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: you can with ia32-libs
[11:29] <Tarthen> Ali_: And some CPU;s are 32bit, like P4 and Atoms
[11:29] <godstar> Ali_: bugs.
[11:29] <KruyKaze> i run 64 on both laptop and desktop
[11:29] <Tarthen> heh
[11:29] <Tarthen> I have a highendish PC
[11:29] <Ali_> u can what with ia32-libs?
[11:30] <Tarthen> Q6600, 3GB RAM, 8600GTS
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: run 32bit apps in a 64bit OS
[11:30] <Tarthen> And I see no diff
[11:30] <Ali_> oh
[11:30] <godstar> Tarthen: same desktop, but just installed the 64bit and notice the diff.
[11:30] <Ali_> it's some kind of virtualisation thingy?
[11:30] <Tarthen> no
[11:30] <Ali_> so u can't run 32 bit apps on 64bit natively?
[11:30] <Tarthen> its a thunker
[11:30] <Tarthen> you can
[11:30] <Tarthen> it thunks down
[11:30] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: it just uses the cpu functionality to run 32bit aps afaik
[11:30] <Ali_> thunks?!
[11:30] <Tarthen> wiki it, it
[11:30] <godstar> Ali_: 64 bit bus from the gate verses 32 bit bus.
[11:30] <Tarthen> it's a term
[11:31] <Ali_> is that american slang?
[11:31] <Tarthen> uh
[11:31] <Ali_> i iz british
[11:31] <Tarthen> VBox compiled
[11:31] <Tarthen> I'm Aussie
[11:31] <Tarthen> and no
[11:31] <Ali_> haha
[11:31] <Ali_> is it aussie slang?
[11:31] <Ali_> :)
[11:31] <Tarthen> it's computer slang, mate :P
[11:31] <Ali_> hahaha
[11:31] <Tarthen> shrimp on the barbie, crikey, etc etc
[11:31] <Ali_> what's a donk btw?
[11:31] <KruyKaze> so is there a solution to my file association problem?
[11:32] <Tarthen> we only say that to take the piss from Americans :P
[11:32] <Ali_> in English English it could be considered rude to refer to one's donk ;)
[11:32] <Tarthen> Ali_: No idea :p
[11:32] <Tarthen> lol
[11:32] <Fundamenta|ist> Well that was interesting
[11:32] <Ali_> crocodile dundee
[11:32] <Tarthen> omg <3
[11:32] <Tarthen> VBox in 64bit reads my 32bit vm's perfectly
[11:32] <Tarthen> hell yes
[11:33] <TheSage> Just got all the updates and it blew away all my Desktop Icons :)
[11:33] <Tarthen> heh
[11:33] <godstar> Yeah. Love VB.
[11:33] <Tarthen> I use desktop cube and make it transparanty
[11:33] <Tarthen> looks bloody awesome
[11:33] <KruyKaze> vbox never worked for me
[11:34] <Tarthen> holy hell
[11:34] <Tarthen> running hardinfo benchmarks and the mouse is lagging
[11:35] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: are you a Ubuntu Member?
[11:35] <Tarthen> not a good thing, methinks
[11:35] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: member?
[11:35] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[11:36] <Ali_> hmm
[11:36] <Ali_> virtual box's website
[11:36] <Ali_> doesn't give a deb for karmic
[11:36] <Ali_> shall i install the jaunty one?
[11:36] <Tarthen> I used Jaunty's
[11:36] <Ali_> did it work?
[11:36] <Tarthen> yep
[11:36] <Ali_> vb 3?
[11:36] <Tarthen> yep
[11:36] <Ali_> cool
[11:36] <iflema> me too
[11:36] <godstar> Yup
[11:37] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: not something ive ever done
[11:37] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: Just wondering.
[11:38] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: i just use the OS.  I dont get tied up in any politics or stuff like that
[11:38] <Tarthen> godstar: I am so doing that
[11:38] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: have you considered becoming UCP?
[11:38] <Tarthen> And I want to take that test next month
[11:38] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: maybe
[11:38] <Tarthen> is there an age limit that you know of?
[11:39] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: the reason I asked about Ubuntu Membership, is coz you seem to be very helpful. Every time I see you around you are helping someone.
[11:39] <godstar> Tarthen: not sure.
[11:39] <Tarthen> hmm
[11:39] <Tarthen> I'm 15, and I'm just wondering if that's too young :P
[11:39] <Tarthen> is for a MS one, pretty sure
[11:40] <Tarthen> although the MS ones are epic intense. memorising how to fix everything is hard
[11:40] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: let me know if you are considering the UCP. I need a study partner. :D then again, you are prolly much further along than I.
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: yeah i like to help but thats all I'm up for
[11:40] <godstar> Tarthen: I am not thinking that UCP has an age limit.
[11:41] <Tarthen> yay
[11:41] <Tarthen> :P
[11:41] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: woah 1600 USD
[11:41] <Tarthen> the online ones are $350
[11:41] <godstar> Tarthen: if you'd like to study let me know. I'm starting with LPIC-1 for the now.
[11:42] <godstar> ActionParsnip1: 1600 USD for what?
[11:42] <Tarthen> LPIC-1?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: i'm busting my CCNA right now, might hit it after though
[11:43] <ActionParsnip1> godstar: http://www.ubuntu.com/training/certificationcourses/server  scroll abot 60% of the way down
[11:44] <Tarthen> http://www.ubuntu.com/training/e-learning/ucp I'm going to do this one
[11:45] <Tarthen> I think I can pass it
[11:45] <Tarthen> -think-
[11:45] <Tarthen> the LAMP stuff will trip me up, I'm sure
[11:48] <godstar> Different server this time at least.
[11:51] <Tarthen> ugh
[11:52] <Tarthen> codeblocks on Linux is a pile of fail with the Darklooks theme
[11:52] <godstar> Tarthen: did you get my lpi link?
[11:52] <Tarthen> nope
[11:53] <godstar> Tarthen: http://lpi.org/eng/certification/ubuntu_certified_professional
[11:53] <Tarthen> ugh dns is horribly slow tonight
[11:53] <godstar> Tarthen: are you using opendns?
[11:54] <Tarthen> nope
[11:54] <Tarthen> don't want to, either
[11:54] <godstar> lol
[11:54] <Tarthen> everything is slow where I live
[11:54] <godstar> Don't blame ya.
[11:54] <Tarthen> 3000km from ISP hub FTL
[11:54] <ActionParsnip1> Tarthen: not with fibre optic
[11:54] <Ali_> ok dudes this is getting annoying
[11:55] <Ali_> all my files are showing up as text files!
[11:55] <Tarthen> o.o
[11:56] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: do they show as text file if you log on as another user
[11:58] <Ali_> ActionParsnip1, just checked as guest user and it seems ok for there
[11:58] <godstar> hmm
[11:58] <godstar> Corrupt profile?
[11:59] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: then its your gconf/gnome settings
[12:00] <Ali_> hmm
[12:00] <Ali_> how do i fix it?
[12:00] <Ali_> this just happened now
[12:00] <Ali_> after the latest update
[12:01] <Tarthen> ahaha
[12:01] <Tarthen> i have it too
[12:01] <Ali_> hmm
[12:01] <Tarthen> thats funny
[12:01] <Ali_> so anyone know how to fix it?
[12:02] <yofel> Ali_: do you mean bug 444962?
[12:03] <KruyKaze> WTF!!!
[12:03] <yofel> KruyKaze: ?
[12:03] <KruyKaze> i added google repos and the file association got fixed
[12:03] <KruyKaze> it makes NO sense
[12:03] <iflema> hmm
[12:04] <yofel> KruyKaze: did you *also* install an glib2 update?
[12:04] <yofel> KruyKaze: (if you mean all files being recognized as text files)
[12:04] <KruyKaze> there was a kernel update that was not there before i added google
[12:04] <Tarthen> update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/
[12:05] <KruyKaze> all files had the same association
[12:05] <Tarthen> that fixes it. parrently
[12:05] <yofel> KruyKaze: see bug 444962
[12:05] <Tarthen> can confirm
[12:05] <Tarthen> update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/
[12:05] <Tarthen> fixes it
[12:06] <MindVirus1> Hello. I just restarted and saw GRUB 1.97 with a list of kernels to choose from instead of the screenless GRUB 2, even though I have grub-pc installed.
[12:06] <MindVirus1> Any suggestions?
[12:06] <KruyKaze> it works now i'm not gonna mess with it :D
[12:06] <godstar> KruyKaze: nice. gratz
[12:06] <Ali_> nice
[12:06] <Ali_> it fixed it
[12:06] <Ali_> ok dudes
[12:06] <Ali_> what;'s the stuff about upstart
[12:06] <Tarthen> :)
[12:06] <Ali_> and grub 2?
[12:06] <yofel> !upstart | Ali_
[12:06] <yofel> !grub2 | Ali_
[12:06] <Ali_> yeah but should i change to them both?
[12:07] <KruyKaze> oh wait what happened to the gdm theme settings?
[12:07] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, that is as intended. Grub 1.97 is Grub 2
[12:07] <yofel> Ali_: grub 2 I don't know, but upstart is forced
[12:07] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: Are you sure?
[12:07] <vistakiller1> hi
[12:07] <mikedep333> I am not sure what you are asking, but I am 100% sure that GRUB 1.97 is GRUB 2
[12:07] <Ali_> how do i know if i am using upstart?
[12:07] <yofel> Ali_: actually jaunty used upstart, but only the sysvinit compatibility layer, not the native interface
[12:07] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: Why the odd versioning scheme?
[12:08] <mzz> MindVirus1: far from the only opensource app doing this
[12:08] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, it is fairly common to see releases like 2.97 corresponding to the version 3
[12:08] <KruyKaze> how do you change the gdm theme on koala?
[12:08] <MindVirus1> OK.
[12:08] <yofel> Ali_: if you have any conf files in /etc/init/ you're using it
[12:08] <mikedep333> yeah, commercial software may not do it, but open source software does do that
[12:08] <Ali_> aha
[12:09] <mzz> commercial software may do the same internally
[12:09] <Ali_> so the old init.d thingy doesn't work now?
[12:09] <mikedep333> mzz, true
[12:09] <Ali_> i don't get what's the difference
[12:09] <mzz> Ali_: it does, the backwards compat layer is still there.
[12:09] <mzz> Ali_: but a few important packages migrated from the compat layer to using upstart scripts directly.
[12:09] <legend2440> yofel: i just updated karmic and  libglib2.0-0 is one of the upgrades. is there a problem with libglib2.0-0? or is it just  the shared-mime-info upgrade that is causing problems?
[12:10] <yofel> legend2440: there was an update of shared-mime-info that changed the mime syntax and glib2 didn't support it
[12:10] <mzz> Ali_: see /etc/init and/or which scripts in /etc/init.d are symlinks to upstart-job
[12:10] <MindVirus1> Why does GRUB2 now use a screen?
[12:10] <mzz> MindVirus1: a what?
[12:10] <MindVirus1> I would prefer the old way.
[12:10] <MindVirus1> mzz: I don't want a list of boot options.
[12:10] <mzz> MindVirus1: if you mean the framebuffer instead of plain vga text usage: you can turn that off, iirc
[12:10] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, do you mean it shows you a menu for 10 seconds instead of having just some text for 2 seconds?
[12:10] <mzz> MindVirus1: see /etc/default/grub
[12:11] <KruyKaze> i was wondering how to edit gdm on koala
[12:11] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, you are using a beta version of Ubuntu. You want backup options
[12:11] <Ali_> AHA
[12:11] <Ali_> ok so i am using upstart
[12:11] <Ali_> ok so now on to grub2
[12:11] <Ali_> should i upgrade?
[12:11] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: The screen is accessible when ESC is pressed.
[12:11] <mzz> MindVirus1: same for that, see GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET (which I've set to 0 and true respectively, after which I have to hold shift to see the menu)
[12:11] <MindVirus1> Ahh, shift.
[12:11] <Ali_> i'm on GNU GRUB 0.97
[12:11] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, if you want polish, stick with a released version of Ubuntu
[12:11] <mzz> MindVirus1: at least shift worked, I haven't tried other keys but judging from the generated script you have to press shift.
[12:11] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: I don't want polish.
[12:11] <MindVirus1> I have been using Karmic since Alpha 3.
[12:12] <MindVirus1> Probably earlier.
[12:12] <MindVirus1> I report bugs.
[12:12] <mikedep333> ok
[12:12] <mikedep333> well
[12:12] <mikedep333> you can edit the grub config files
[12:12] <MindVirus1> OK. :)
[12:12] <MindVirus1> mzz: I never tried seeing the menu.
[12:13] <Tarthen> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:13] <Tarthen> if you didn't know
[12:13] <MindVirus1> Tarthen: that's for GRUB1.
[12:13] <mzz> MindVirus1: it was displayed by default here, with a 10 second timeout (after installing off the alternate beta cd)
[12:13] <Tarthen> you need to make it writable
[12:13] <Tarthen> MindVirus1: no, that's menu.lst
[12:13] <mzz> Tarthen: I wouldn't edit that directly, since it'll just be overwritten on the next kernel upgrade or the like, if I'm not mistaken.
[12:13] <MindVirus1> Ahh, right. Gentoo has caught up to me.
[12:13] <mikedep333> yeah, grub.cfg is terrible to understand
[12:13] <Tarthen> mhm
[12:13] <mikedep333> but you can shorten the time
[12:14] <mikedep333> "  set timeout=10"
[12:14] <Ali_> err hello
[12:14] <yofel> Tarthen: you do know that you aren't supposed to edit grub.cfg?
[12:14] <Tarthen> regression in forms of being editable, srsly
[12:14] <Ali_> :)
[12:14] <Ali_> didn't i start the grub discussion here
[12:14] <Ali_> ;)
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> yofel: you can though
[12:14] <Tarthen> yofel: That's why there's sudo c:
[12:14] <Ali_> i was asking if i should upgrade to grub2
[12:14] <Ali_> :D
[12:14] <Tarthen> or sudo su
[12:14] <mzz> Tarthen: you can just use /etc/grub.d/40_custom for most things, afaik.
[12:14] <Tarthen> >>
[12:14] <legend2440> yofel: yes i had the shared-mime-info bug so i downgraded shared-mime-info and it fixed it. but is  libglib2.0-0 safe to upgrade?
[12:14] <Ali_> anyone?
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> yofel: i have to as when a kernel gets installed it adds '--no-floppy' causing no boot at all (also adds it to recovery mode)
[12:14] <ActionParsnip1> yofel: bug has been logged
[12:15] <Tarthen> :q
[12:15] <ActionParsnip1> yofel: so I have to manually edit it
[12:15] <MindVirus1> mzz: Hope you don't mind if I'm bothering you. I have GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true, but also GRUB_TIMEOUT="10".
[12:15] <mzz> MindVirus1: just peek at the generated grub.cfg, the actual timeout will be shorter. 3 seconds or so.
[12:16] <mikedep333> this is funny, my grub.cfg is associated with MS office 2003
[12:16] <mikedep333> office 2003 uses cfg files or something, and I have it installed in wine
[12:16] <mzz> MindVirus1: I don't really know how those variables are supposed to interact. I get the feeling this part of the grub.cfg generation hasn't really been hashed out yet.
[12:16] <MindVirus1> Fuck it then.
[12:17] <mzz> mikedep333: .cfg is such a common extension it really shouldn't be associated with anything fancier than a text editor
[12:17] <mikedep333> MindVirus1, we appreciate you trying out karmic to test bugs, but things like this will happen
[12:17] <mikedep333> *to report bugs
[12:17] <mikedep333> lol
[12:17] <mikedep333> mzz, exactly
[12:17] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: I am well aware.
[12:17] <mzz> reminds me: does anyone have another linux (like jaunty) installed using a separate /boot partition? It looks like os-prober doesn't handle that case.
[12:18] <MindVirus1> mikedep333: I am not complaining and this is not a bug.
[12:18] <Ali_> btw yofel
[12:18] <Ali_> yofel thanks for the solution to that problem
[12:19] <yofel> Ali_: np, the bug was rather popular 12h ago when the package got release on the main server ^^
[12:19] <yofel> *released
[12:20] <Ali_> aha
[12:23] <mzz> heh, looks like linux-boot-prober actually gets this right, but /etc/grub/30_os-prober ignores that information.
[12:23] <ActionParsnip1> mzz: my fileserver does, ut its using gentoo
[12:24] <Ali_> so
[12:24] <Ali_> any takes on whether to upgrade to grub2 or not :S
[12:24] <Ali_> :)
[12:25] <yofel> Ali_: nobody here want's to take the responsibility if something breaks for you :P
[12:25] <Ali_> HAHA
[12:25] <Ali_> i noticed :D
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> wow 1259 kB/S from the update servers...
[12:27] <Ali_> nice
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> It pays to update during the  early hours. :)
[12:28] <yofel> Dr_Willis: early hours as from *where* ? (We usually talk in UTC here - 11:28 now :P)
[12:29] <Ali_> haha
[12:29] <Ali_> good old americans :)
[12:30] <mikedep333> lol
[12:30] <mikedep333> I'm at Penn State
[12:30] <mikedep333> I'll whop his butt in a game of what we call football
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> Futball
[12:31] <johnf> anyone tried upgrading a xen host to karmic?
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> 1666kB/s now :)
[12:31] <Ali_> "Soccer"
[12:31] <Ali_> but seriously guys
[12:32] <Ali_> why the flip do u guys call 'hand ball' football??!
[12:32] <Ali_> i mean surely u r supposed to play football with your feet!?
[12:32] <Ali_> :D
[12:32] <rsk> i tought it was called "hand-egg ball"
[12:32] <nunodonat> hello everyone. i'm installing 9.10 from a daily-live, but the installer stops at the "configuring apt" step. the skip button doesnt help. How can I finish the installation?
[12:32] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: ive been saying this for years
[12:32] <Ali_> hahaha
[12:32] <Ali_> and REST room??
[12:33] <Ali_> i mean, we normally go to our bedrooms to REST
[12:33] <Ali_> ;)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: handball is a different game altogether, a bit like speedball just with less violence
[12:33] <rsk> http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Hand_Egg_Ball.jpg
[12:33] <Ali_> ActionParsnip1, are u american?
[12:33] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: UK
[12:34] <Ali_> aha
[12:34] <Ali_> a fellow brit
[12:34] <Ali_> :)
[12:34]  * Dr_Willis eats a fryup, then some bangers and mash, then goes to the loo.
[12:34] <Ali_> no the RESTroom, then
[12:34] <nunodonat> anyone can help? :-/
[12:34] <Ali_> not*
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> fryup for the win :D
[12:35] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | nunodonat
[12:35] <Ali_> sorry nunodonat we are talking about RESTrooms and FOOTball here
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> He did ask.. but ive no idea about the answer.
[12:35] <MindVirus1> Am I the only person with three "Software Sources" menu items in System->Administration?
[12:35] <yofel> ActionParsnip1: he asked it already
[12:36] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: did you verify the CD once initially booted to?
[12:37] <nunodonat> ActionParsnip1: I'm using it now, live-cd version
[12:37] <MindVirus1> Also, is Karmic going to have the new package manager-handling software?
[12:37] <nunodonat> everything is working ok, except this installer..
[12:37] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: it doesnt matter, did you verify the image and burned cd?
[12:37] <nunodonat> no
[12:38] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: dont you think you should, the CD may be defective
[12:38] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: and you have no way of knowing what you have is ok, because at no point have you checked
[12:39] <ActionParsnip1> nunodonat: they put the MD5SUM files on the servers for a reason
[12:42] <dooglus> hi.  is there some way I can find out how much RAM is in a laptop running ubuntu?
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> free command shows ram/used/and how is being used
[12:45] <MindVirus1> Does anyone know?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm there is that ubuntu-software-thinggie there allready
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Unless it got renamed AGAIN...
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> i see add/remove applications is back.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> I guess there WAS that 'ubuntu-software-store' I dont see it in the menus any more
[12:48] <Ian_> ubuntu software store changed to ubuntu software center
[12:48] <Ian_> or centre
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I dont see it in the menus anyu more
[12:48] <Ian_> should be in your first menu
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: is it in alacart?
[12:49] <yofel> gnomefreak: what's alactart?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> I thought it was under system 0< admin
[12:49] <MindVirus1> System->Administration has 3 copies of "Software Sources".
[12:49] <MindVirus1> Is this correct?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yofel: menu editer. the spelling may be wrong
[12:49] <yofel> Dr_Willis: that's where it *was*, it should be at the place where the old gnome Add/Remove was iirc
[12:49] <gnomefreak> MindVirus1: shouldnt
[12:50] <MindVirus1> gnomefreak: would you like a screenshot?
[12:50] <gnomefreak> yofel: it is. at least here
[12:50] <gnomefreak> MindVirus1: not really. i trust you. you should be able to disable the extras
[12:50] <Dr_Willis>  there it is.. at the bootom of htemain menu..
[12:50] <MindVirus1> gnomefreak: I am.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> not where it was a few days ago..
[12:50] <MindVirus1> That changes nothing.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> ya think it would ALSO be in the admin menus
[12:50] <MindVirus1> They are still hiding in /usr/share.
[12:51] <iflema> some of those look kde-ish
[12:51] <gnomefreak> MindVirus1: i still only have one entry
[12:51] <yofel> Dr_Willis: it's supposed to be a replacement for add/remove, so the main menu is exactly where it belongs
[12:52] <MindVirus1> gnomefreak: How do I rid the others?
[12:52] <MindVirus1> Is GPK the preferred new thing?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> not sure maybe try running killall gnome-panel in terminal
[12:53] <MindVirus1> gnomefreak: That won't change anything. I just rebooted.
[12:53] <MindVirus1> My menu is not stale.
[12:53] <gnomefreak> MindVirus1: it was there before reboot?
[12:53] <MindVirus1> yes.
[12:53] <MindVirus1> *Yes.
[12:53] <MindVirus1> Is GPK the preferred new thing, though?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> MindVirus1: than file a bug against it (not sure the package. i just got up a little while ago
[12:54] <gnomefreak> GPK?
[12:54] <MindVirus1> packagekit-gnome
[12:55] <gnomefreak> not sure
[12:55] <Ian_> is there a way to share my ethernet connection to my ad how wireless network, via the nm applet?
[12:56] <iflema> lol
[12:56] <ActionParsnip1> !ics | Ian_
[12:57] <Ian_> update manager doens't check if you'll have enough disk space on upgrade
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> man.. xp is not wanting to see the ubuntu box.. getting on my nerves
[13:00]  * Dr_Willis wonders if the little 'thunk' of the speakers waking up befor they play a sound will ever get fixed also.
[13:00] <ActionParsnip1> Dr_Willis: can you ping and tracert to the box?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. findsmb isent even seeing it now.. but it is on and connected wired to the network. and it is web surfing
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> thats weird
[13:01] <ActionParsnip1> Dr_Willis: cool, can you ping and tracert by name or IP
[13:02] <Ali_> drat
[13:02] <Ali_> just updated
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> xp makes samba drouble shooting even harder...
[13:02] <Ali_> and stupid windows have disappeared
[13:02] <Ali_> i mean the window manager
[13:02] <Ali_> composite hasn't started
[13:02] <Ali_> so how can i restart it?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> I think she may of been connected via wireless even tho she was wired.. going to make her reboot the thing.
[13:02] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: compiz --replace    do you mean?
[13:03] <Ali_> aha
[13:03] <Ali_> yes
[13:03] <Ali_> now the windows are back
[13:03] <Ali_> now do i have to retype that in every time i log in?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: what DE do you use/
[13:04] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: KDE? Gnome? XFCE? LXDE?
[13:05] <ActionParsnip1> oh well
[13:09] <Ali_> cool working now
[13:12] <eagles0513875> !info grip
[13:12] <eagles0513875> !grip
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. thats a weird 'fix'
[13:21] <mzz> um
[13:21] <iflema> m
[13:21] <mzz> yeah, let's not do that
[13:22] <Ali_> anyone know of a good rm to mp3 batch converter?
[13:24] <iflema> since when does fedora use synaptic??
[13:24] <iflema> oops wrong tab..
[13:25] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: if you can find one that will do 1, you can script it to do the rest using bash
[13:27] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1260029
[13:29] <Ali_> cool
[13:29] <Ali_> thanks
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> winff might be able to do it als9o
[13:34] <Ali_> this mencoder seems far too cryptic
[13:34] <Ali_> anything gui based?
[13:34] <Ali_> :S
[13:34] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: gui sucks for batch processes
[13:35] <Ali_> hehe
[13:35] <Ali_> i know
[13:35] <Ali_> ok
[13:35] <Ali_> anything that can just do: command oldfile.*
[13:35] <Ali_> sorry
[13:35] <Ali_> command *.rm
[13:35] <Ali_> and it auto converts them all?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: if the command will accept that, or you can use: for i in *.rm do; command $i; done
[13:37] <Ali_> oooo
[13:37] <Ali_> rmconverter looks good
[13:39] <legend2440> how will we know when its safe to upgrade shared-mime-info? i have it pinned. will i still get future shared-mime-info updates or does pinned prevent that?
[13:41] <Koterpillar> With recent Karmic updates, almost all translation strings have reverted back to English. Is this a known thing to happen, or something I need to report?
[13:43] <Amaranth> Yeah, it's known that the translations are suddenly only like 20%
[13:43] <nemo> um. why am I getting 404s across the ubuntu pool?
[13:43]  * nemo tries a new server
[13:43] <Amaranth> nemo: apt-get update
[13:46] <nemo> I just did that moments ago
[13:46] <nemo> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/onboard/onboard_0.92.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[13:46] <nemo> 404
[13:46] <nemo> (and all the others)
[13:47] <joaopinto> nemo, not for me, it depends on the random server you are getting
[13:47] <eagles0513875> nemo: ifconfig and see if you have an ip
[13:47] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, uh, how is that related to a 404 error :) ?
[13:48] <damagu> anyone got skype working?
[13:48] <eagles0513875> isnt 404 server not found meaning it could be that there is an issue with the internet connection
[13:48] <joaopinto> damagu, good question, i didn't it doesn't allow me to select the input device
[13:48] <eagles0513875> i have on a laptop with built in webcam but could never get built in mic to work
[13:48] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, not it does, it means there is a server responding with a file not found, it's a server side issue, not a client side one
[13:48] <joaopinto> not it does not
[13:49] <eagles0513875> i always get those errors turned around in my head
[13:49] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, unless you classify the server side as the internet :)
[13:49] <nemo> eagles0513875: I'm online talking to you :D
[13:49] <eagles0513875> its a part of the internet
[13:49] <joaopinto> damagu, let me know if you figure how to fix it :P
[13:49] <joaopinto> lol nemo
[13:49] <joaopinto> eagles0513875, nothing that a ifconfig would help
[13:49] <eagles0513875> hehe nemo:P you could be on from another machine
[13:49] <eagles0513875> be back later
[13:50] <eagles0513875> hehe
[13:50] <nemo> yeah, guess I'll need to switch servers
[13:50] <milaz> Hi everybody!
[13:50] <nemo> at one point I had run the ping test to pick a specific server
[13:50] <nemo> but earlier in Karmic that was pretty unreliable
[13:50] <nemo> maybe I'll switch back to that
[13:50] <legend2440> nemo: that onboard version number in the link you posted is wrong    http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/onboard/
[13:51] <mzz> looks pretty right from here
[13:51] <nemo> I just updated 10 minutes ago
[13:51] <joaopinto> --2009-10-07 13:51:03--  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/onboard/onboard_0.92.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[13:51] <joaopinto> Resolving us.archive.ubuntu.com... 91.189.88.40, 91.189.88.45, 91.189.88.46, ...
[13:51] <joaopinto> Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com|91.189.88.40|:80... connected.
[13:51] <joaopinto> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[13:51] <joaopinto>   HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[13:51] <nemo> yeah. guess I have a bad IP here
[13:51]  * nemo switches
[13:51] <mzz> nemo: loaded ok here, but I'm probably just getting a different server out of the rotation.
[13:52] <mzz> (a mesa-common-dev deb isn't loading yet here)
[13:52] <nemo> running test thingy in update manager. thanks.
[13:52]  * mzz is pretty sure he just needs to wait a bit for the mirror to catch up
[13:52] <legend2440> mzz: your right. version number is ok. its still early here :)
[13:55] <milaz> Guys, I'm testing Karmic Beta now, and Xorg goes to 100% CPU usage, although I'm not doing anything extraordinary, not watching movies, and not running screensavers. Any ideas should I report a bug or track this some way?
[13:56] <JoshuaL> my fast user switch applet crashed
[13:56] <kklimonda> the black gdm is final?
[13:56] <JoshuaL> after a reboot
[13:56] <nemo> amusing crash for me the other day
[13:56] <nemo> totem locked up and crashed on closing - typical behaviour for it on all my computers
[13:57] <nemo> however I'd learned it did this, had a change of heart and tried to halt the report which was taking a long time (maybe 'cause it had already locked up)
[13:57] <nemo> anyway. wandered away and an hour later noticed my laptop fan spinning frantically
[13:57] <nemo> apparently GDB was in an endless loop
[13:57] <mzz> milaz: does it fix itself if you log out and back in?
[13:57] <nemo> so the crash reported crashed
[13:58] <milaz> mzz: yes, it does
[13:58] <mzz> milaz: then it may be bug 439138
[14:00] <milaz> mzz: thanks, exactly it is this bug
[14:00] <mzz> milaz: notice the bit about it also breaking vt switching
[14:00] <mzz> milaz: I suspect that's a pretty reliable indicator of it being the same bug
[14:01] <mzz> (I'm hitting that one myself, although not quite consistently, which makes sense given the bug's nature)
[14:02] <aprilhare> hello. has anyone noticed with recent update icons are displaying unusually?
[14:03] <milaz> mzz: yes, I cannot switch VTs
[14:03] <milaz> mzz: CTRL+ALT+Fx do not work
[14:04] <Ali_> yeah aprilhare
[14:04] <Ali_> there's a fix somewhere
[14:05] <Ali_> update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/
[14:05] <Ali_> type that
[14:05] <Ali_> guys how do i restart pulse audio?
[14:05] <Ali_> i ran rmconverter and it took the sound card it seems
[14:06] <Ali_> and now all my other sound doesnt work
[14:06] <Ali_> so i need to give the sound back to pulse audio i think
[14:06] <Ali_> anyone know how to do that?
[14:08] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*
[14:08] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: then press alt+f2 and run pulseaudio
[14:09] <aprilhare> Ali_: ok. typed. now what?
[14:09] <aprilhare> logout or something?
[14:09] <Ali_> strange
[14:09] <Ali_> i just kiolled it
[14:09] <Ali_> and now it worked
[14:09] <Ali_> aprilhare, yeah try logging out and relogging in
[14:09] <ActionParsnip1> Ali_: no worries
[14:09] <aprilhare> brb :)
[14:10] <Ali_> cheers
[14:11] <aprilhare> re
[14:11] <aprilhare> no that didn't do it
[14:11] <aprilhare> all my desktop icons have turned into .desktop files!
[14:11] <aprilhare> all icons are stuffed now
[14:11] <Ali_> woops
[14:11] <aprilhare> except for images.
[14:12] <aprilhare> Ali_: reference?
[14:12] <aprilhare> maybe there were more stepz
[14:12] <Ali_> https://launchpad.net/bugs/444962 aprilhare
[14:14] <Raydiation> like the black colors of the gdm style :)
[14:14] <Raydiation> but the brown is quite ugly
[14:16] <legend2440> aprilhare: try downgrading  shared-mime-info   http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/shared-mime-info/shared-
[14:16] <legend2440> mime-info_0.60-2_i386.deb
[14:16] <aprilhare> downloaded the amd64 file and doing so now :)
[14:18] <aprilhare> brb..
[14:18] <mikedep333> legend2440, thanks a lot!
[14:18] <Ali_> Raydiation, YES BROWN IS URGLY
[14:18] <Ali_> someone PLEASE tell mark shuttleworth
[14:18] <rockrat> hello
[14:18] <Ali_> that MOST human beings think the brown colour scheme is urrrrrrrgly
[14:18] <mikedep333> hey
[14:18] <Ali_> just use blue
[14:18] <rockrat> plz check this >> http://paste-bin.com/view/9c8b43cc
[14:18] <Ali_> soothing
[14:19] <Ali_> blue is nice
[14:19] <aprilhare> fixed :)
[14:19] <aprilhare> how long till update cometh?
[14:21] <Raydiation> Ali_: the brown colorscheme is fine, just the bg in gdm is ugly
[14:21] <mikedep333> Raydiation, I like it
[14:21] <aprilhare> its all very chocolatey and nice
[14:22] <aprilhare> night
[14:23] <Koterpillar> it looks bloody on LCD if you don't look at just right angle.
[14:24] <pwuertz> funny.. I like the brown/orange ubuntu themes.. expecially because everyone else uses some blueish style ^^
[14:24] <rockrat> http://paste-bin.com/view/9c8b43cc
[14:24] <Ali_> i hate the brown colour scheme
[14:24] <Ali_> as do most other ppl i know
[14:26] <pwuertz> by the way.. is anyone running qt4-applications on a gnome desktop? I'm experiencing problems with compiz+screensaver+qt4
[14:27] <pwuertz> text cursers in qt4 applications are gone/stolen from an application when coming back from the  screensaver
[14:27] <kklimonda> is there some weird bug in nautilus? instead of picture thumbnails I see ascii chars as in text files.. it happens with random files
[14:28] <Koterpillar> kklimonda, 444962, I believe.
[14:28] <damagu> joaopinto: I can't get Skype installed at all.
[14:28] <damagu> Does anyone know how to get skype installed?
[14:28] <damagu> It's not in the repos
[14:29] <commander_> hey when i boot in i see i still have ubuntu 9.4 kernel there?any wya to get rid of them? cause i have ubuntu installed inside windows
[14:29] <kklimonda> Koterpillar: thanks, looks like it is it
[14:31] <cetanhota> Morning, what do I need to add to my 9.04 so I can do a upgrade to 9.10. This is a test laptop I use for Ubuntu.
[14:31] <Koterpillar> cetanhota, update-manager -d
[14:32] <cetanhota> thank you sir.
[14:32] <joaopinto> damagu, you just install the .deb from their site ?
[14:37] <mikedep333> commander_, you can remove them in synaptic
[14:38] <commander_> u know what i mean...is it ok to remove them after distro upgrade?
[14:38] <mikedep333> commander_, yes
[14:38] <rockrat> plz help >> http://paste-bin.com/view/9c8b43cc
[14:38] <damagu> joaopinto: it gives me errors
[14:39] <damagu> did you use the ubuntu 8.10 one?
[14:39] <commander_> it'll say i.e. ubuntu 9.10 karmic repeated 4x ,then Windows Vista and below tht ubuntu 9.4 jaunty
[14:39] <joaopinto> yes
[14:39] <mikedep333> commander_, you mean it offers to boot the entire Jaunty OS? weird
[14:40] <joaopinto> installs fine here
[14:40] <damagu> yeah me too
[14:40] <commander_> unfortunately i have to go allll the way back to 8.04 to get it again
[14:40] <mikedep333> commander_, I have never heard of people keeping old kernels for a good reason
[14:41] <ActionParsnip1> mikedep333: incase the newest one starts going nuts
[14:41] <legend2440> damagu: what is the error message?
[14:41] <commander_> no no.when i turn on my laptop it ask me do i want to go into Windows or Ubuntu n i choose ubuntu .remember i installed it inside WIndows
[14:42] <damagu> dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor.
[14:42] <mikedep333> commander_, ok
[14:43] <legend2440> damagu: in terminal type  sudo dpkg -i skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.47-1_i386.deb
[14:44] <legend2440> damagu: that descriptor error is a problem with  gdebi
[14:44] <commander_> mikedeep it's no problem right
[14:44] <damagu> ah okay
[14:44] <commander_> i hope it goe thru
[14:44] <commander_> goes
[14:45] <mbeierl> Anyone know anything about smb mounts via gvfs-mount?
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> mbeierl: i know them in fstab
[14:47] <mikedep333> mbeierl, I either use smb:// in nautilus or I use mount -t cifs
[14:48] <mbeierl> The issue is that I see permission -rxw------, owner me, group me, on the file, but when I go to rm the file it says permission denied
[14:50] <dooglus> so - I installed 32 bit karmic on my 64 bit machine.  it isn't seeing all 4GB of RAM, so I'd like to switch to the 64 bit version
[14:50] <dooglus> I set up my home to be encrypted at install time
[14:50] <dooglus> do I need to do anything to make sure it's mountable in the new install?  /home is a separate partition
[14:51] <ActionParsnip1> mbeierl: is the file open: lsof | grep <filename>    will tell you
[14:52] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip1: thanks, but no the file is not open.  The mount is new after a reboot of all things and I went to delete the file directly
[14:52] <dooglus> mbeierl: perhaps you don't have write permission on the containing directory?
[14:53] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip1: it's definitely a mis-match between the real SMB permissions on the file share and the reported permissions by samba/cifs
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:53] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip1: checked that already too.  directory also says -rwx------
[14:53] <absaloutebeginne> hi can anyone please tell me how to install Karmic/9.10 using the terminal??
[14:54] <dooglus> absaloutebeginne: I would expect you can edit your sources.list by hand and do a regular update, dist-upgrade
[14:54] <absaloutebeginne> i'll give it a shot
[14:54] <pwuertz> mbeierl, I don't think its possible for smb to display the correct permissions
[14:55] <ActionParsnip1> mbeierl: is the mount, mounted so you can write to the directory?
[14:55] <absaloutebeginne> i've gone into my sources list, and cannot find a dist upgrade option
[14:56] <dooglus> absaloutebeginne: I mean edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to say 'karmic' instead of 'jaunty', then 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[14:56] <dooglus> absaloutebeginne: you're meant to update one step at a time - ie. not straight from intrepid to karmic, but via jaunty
[14:57] <absaloutebeginne> yeah I'm running Jaunty at the moment
[14:57] <ActionParsnip1> !upgrade | absaloutebeginne
[14:57] <joaopinto> dooglus, that is not the recommended procedure to upgrade !
[14:58] <joaopinto> absaloutebeginne, please ignore the instructions from dooglus , you just need to run: update-manager -d
[14:58] <ActionParsnip1> absaloutebeginne: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core; sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:58] <mbeierl> ActionParsnip1: I can delete other files and create new ones and delete the ones I've created.  I'm going to mount the share using NFS to see what the real permissions are.  I'm pretty sure this is a bug in cifs not shows permissions correctly and not being able to deal with it
[14:58] <joaopinto> absaloutebeginne, and please have in mind that it's beta, don't upgrade unless you can afford to have a broken system
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> mbeierl: then log a bug if you suspect one
[14:59] <absaloutebeginne> i have it on my desktop, but i need to re-install Mac OSX, so im going to try it on my old laptop
[15:01] <absaloutebeginne> thank you joaopinto and ActionParsnip1
[15:02] <joaopinto> mbeierl, have you checked that the share on the server has write permissions ? I believe samba will report the FS permissions without applying the share specific access mask
[15:03] <joaopinto> the share can be read-only, and the file rw from a remote FS perspective
[15:04] <rockrat> thanks
[15:04] <Gika> hello
[15:05] <Gika> i have a problem with 9.10 beta...after yesterday's updates, my ubuntu marks every file as "text file", even though they're mp3s or avis or jpgs or whatever
[15:05] <mbeierl> joaopinto: thanks, yes I've got write perms on the share and the dir, I can create/read/write/delete other files, but certain files which have the "read-only" attribute set on the Windows file system cannot be deleted.  This would be a bug from what I can tell: cifs shows the file as "rwx" but really it's "r-x" and there is no method whatsoever to change the permission via cifs
[15:05] <joaopinto> Gika, known issue
[15:06] <Gika> joaopinto: ok then, just wanting to know if it was only me
[15:07] <joaopinto> mbeierl, read only is a special attribute, not a file privilege, samba is expected to show you the file privileges
[15:07] <Gika> also, other issue: my update manager has two "undoable" updates of grub which remove grub2 to put grub1 and is asking me to do a "partial upgrade", what should i do?
[15:07] <joaopinto> it is not clear for me that it is a bug
[15:08] <wekt> what non-KDE IRC client can filter joins & parts out of a channel window?  --so that they are not intermingled with the chat text.
[15:08] <NoelJB> Gika, bug 444962
[15:08] <kulight> wekt: pidgin
[15:08] <joaopinto> xchat ?
[15:09] <Ian_> !pastebin
[15:10] <Gika> NoelJB: is there a workaround other than downgrading?
[15:10] <NoelJB> Gika, the new code is pushed.  I see it in my update list now.
[15:10] <wekt> joaopinto: are you sure?  I think not.  I tried xchat & did not see that feature.  I also did not see that feature in pidgin, kulight.  I know there is an extended proferences feature to pidgin.  perhaps I need that?  or maybe there is some preference setting i did not find.
[15:11] <Gika> i don't yet, but i use a mirror...i'm switching to the official servers
[15:11] <dooglus> I just booted from a 64 bit live CD.  the CPU is stuck at 100% on the xorg process.  that wasn't the case in the 32 bit install I have.
[15:11] <wekt> I will try pidgin immediately.
[15:12] <NoelJB> Gika, you should see it fixed when you get 2.22.1-0ubuntu2.  if not, let us know.
[15:12] <kulight> wekt-kvirc: its a plugin called "Join/Part Hiding"
[15:12] <kulight> wekt-kvirc, im using it right now
[15:13] <Gika> ok NoelJB, thanks.  also, do you know if there's a bug filed for my other problem? > <Gika> also, other issue: my update manager has two "undoable" updates of grub which remove grub2 to put grub1 and is asking me to do a "partial upgrade", what should i do?
[15:13] <joaopinto> wekt, yes I am sure, let me search for the option
[15:14] <joaopinto> wekt-kvirc, http://xchat.org/faq/#q211
[15:14] <NoelJB> Gika, don't know.  might be related to bug 410886
[15:15] <Gika> i don't think i have vmbuilder NoelJB, is it related to virtualbox?
[15:16] <NoelJB> Gika, but it did result in a conflicts entry being added to grub-common
[15:16] <Gika> yes, that's true
[15:16] <Askar_> I have waited for 2 weeks or something to upgrade because im offered a partial upgrade and I have been told not to do that.. :(
[15:16] <Askar_> update*
[15:17] <Gika> so i should ignore the "partial update" warning, right?
[15:19] <Askar_> but how long can it take for this to be "fixed" so I can upgrade? :O
[15:20] <dschulz> hi all
[15:21] <dschulz> anyone experiencing sound lockups when switching between ttys ?
[15:23] <dschulz> recently noticed that if I switch to tty01 while amarok is running.. sound stops until I change to tty07 again
[15:23] <dschulz> but after that, sound is crappy for a while
[15:23] <dschulz> anyone can try to reproduce what i describe?
[15:24] <Kernel2603> salve
[15:24] <Kernel2603> karmic la rilasciano il 29 ottobre?'
[15:24] <wekt> thanks.  I'll give pidgin a try for a while.
[15:25] <Gika> sì Kernel2603 (in questo canale parlano inglese però)
[15:25] <Kernel2603> sorry
[15:25] <Gika> se vuoi altre delucidazioni contattami in privato
[15:25] <Kernel2603> i want to know some difference between 9.04 and karmic 9.10
[15:25] <Pici> Kernel2603: The beta link in the topic lists some of the new features
[15:25] <Gika> there's plenty of them at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta Kernel2603
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !it | Kernel2603
[15:26] <Kernel2603> i know
[15:26] <Kernel2603> but i can speak english no problem
[15:27] <sageNsand> After reading the forum it appears there is problems in the update. I think I'll wait a day or so and read the forum, but I want to share this with you. Something I never see before is in the Notification area I have a red circle icon with a explanation mark in it and it says:
[15:27] <sageNsand> "The update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems or by a repository that is no longer available. Please update manually by clicking on this icon a then selecting 'Check for updates' and check if some of the listed repositories fail"
[15:27] <sageNsand> When I do manual check it says I'm up to date. Does this mean there is a problem with the servers?
[15:28] <Gika> sageNsand, you might be using a mirror which has yet to synchronize with the main server
[15:28] <sageNsand> I'll wait a day or so
[15:37] <thiebaude> what can i do about:Sorry, the program "compiz.real" has closed unexpectedy?
[15:39] <thiebaude> i dont use compiz, anymore
[15:40] <Gika> thiebaude if you don't use compiz uninstall it through synaptic
[15:41] <thiebaude> Gika, thanks, i'll do that
[15:41] <dooglus> is anyone familiar with the new encrypted home feature in karmic?
[15:43] <thiebaude> Gika, i had a few compiz entries in synaptic that i removed
[15:43] <thiebaude> bbl 80mb of updates
[15:43] <joaopinto> dooglus, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedHomeDirectory
[15:44] <dooglus> joaopinto: I am needing to reinstall karmic, and am wondering if I need to do anything before hand to be able to keep the contents of my encrypted home
[15:45] <flukebox> hi all
[15:45] <joaopinto> dooglus, no idea :\
[15:46] <flukebox> hi all .... i just updated to 9.10.. and find out that my nautilus ..open with commands are no more working ... anyway to fix that or revert back?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dooglus, back it up if you can
[15:48] <nostahl> hi guys any threat doing the latest updates/upgrade?
[15:48] <Mach> is there linux insurrance?
[15:48] <rsk> Mach: what is that?
[15:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> hey all
[15:48] <BluesKaj> dooglus, I reinstalled karmic on / by using the manual partition option without formatyting of course , all my app conf files and settings were saved altho some apps disappeared
[15:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> running the new Karmic beta, any ideas why I have the ugly login screen?
[15:49] <eagles0513875> hey BluesKaj
[15:49] <BluesKaj> dooglus, reinstalling the missing apps was easily done and all the previous settings with those apps were retained
[15:49] <BluesKaj> hi eagles0513875
[15:50] <nostahl> i havnt updated for a week or two on karmic. any threats doing the latest udates without breaking
[15:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> anyone? :(
[15:53] <NinjaPlimsolls> im still getting this GDM login screen: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/Sr34Ip_wWXI/AAAAAAAADQo/N2xwyFMqrog/s1600-h/ubuntu910finalartwork-large_005.jpg
[15:53] <rsk> NinjaPlimsolls: because you installed it
[15:54] <BluesKaj> nostahl, you're in for a large update , you really should update more often in order to keep the changes as minimal as possible from uipdate to update.
[15:54]  * Mach is waiting for full release for karmic
[16:00]  * Dr_Willis can never access LOOOONG url;s like that in weechat.
[16:00] <Dr_Willis> the text wrapping goofs up the url handler of gnome-terminal
[16:00] <davisc> Dr_Willis: Worked fine for me there in gnome-terminal...
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> davisc:  the wrapping of the text is what breaks it in weechat.
[16:01] <davisc> Ah, right
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> when it goes to the next line when it wraps it gets idented   and a | put in there.
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> wich is a littel annoying.
[16:01] <fabio_27> hi, little question, how do I access the grub2 menu at boot to use a different kernel than the standard one? pressing esc doesn't do anything
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> fabio_27:  Unhide the grub2 menu by editing the /etc/default/grub file
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> thers some bugs where it dosent get unhidden  by default when it should
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> ie: add the # to comment out the setting
[16:03] <fabio_27> ah thank you very much
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure why the thing even tries to hide the menu..
[16:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> ive just used the update manager in Karmic beta and its saying its doing a distribution upgrade?
[16:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> does that mean its getting newer stuff, or its sticking me back on 9.04
[16:06] <joaopinto> NinjaPlimsolls, if you are on beta, is doing upgrades on beta
[16:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> joaopinto, thanks mate... just wondered why its doing a whole dist upgrade thats all! :P
[16:08] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | NinjaPlimsolls
[16:09] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[16:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> Pici, thanks
[16:10] <nostahl> i held off updating after that screw up with the upstart heh
[16:10] <NinjaPlimsolls> nostahl, plz dont say that! If i don't come back after restarting its cause Karmic nuked itself ;)
[16:11] <nostahl> heh
[16:11] <nostahl> im updating right now to the latest and greatest
[16:11] <Pici> There was a warning in the /topic when that was happening and we removed it when the issue was resolved.
[16:11] <davisc> NinjaPlimsolls: But that's the fun of testing! :-)
[16:12] <nostahl> pici i had updated right as it rolled out i didnt see a topic when i did it heh
[16:12] <thiebaude> davisc, yep
[16:12] <NinjaPlimsolls> davisc, indeedy mate :)
[16:12] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh dear, its asking me if I wanna keep GRUB :S
[16:13] <EvilRoey> hello
[16:13] <EvilRoey> Any chance that Ubuntu 9.10 will come with kernel 2.6.32?
[16:13] <joaopinto> EvilRoey, No
[16:13] <EvilRoey> great
[16:13] <EvilRoey> no r600 for me, heh
[16:13] <nostahl> ninja i like grub2
[16:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah now gonna try it out
[16:14] <joaopinto> it would be insane to change the kernel after beta
[16:14] <EvilRoey> right
[16:14] <nexsja> 'ello. Since i've installed 9.04b my mysql server has stopped functioning. It just doesn't start now.
[16:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> does it still look like a 1980's plain bootloader?
[16:14] <joaopinto> nexsja, you mean 9.10 beta ?
[16:14] <nexsja> joaopinto, yes, sorry.
[16:14] <EvilRoey> joaopinto:  I mean I agree, I just don't like that the r600 ati driver is in kernel 2.6.32+ only
[16:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> ooooh restart window, lets see what happens! wish me luck folks! :P
[16:14] <thiebaude> ok
[16:14] <nostahl> solong ninja
[16:14] <nostahl> nice knowin yya
[16:14] <thiebaude> haha
[16:15] <joaopinto> nexsja, clean install or upgrade ?
[16:15] <nexsja> http://pastebin.ca/1601513 this is what i get when i want to start mysql
[16:15] <nexsja> joaopinto, upgrade
[16:16] <joaopinto> hum, you are the second report I see about mysql upgrade failing
[16:16] <nexsja> hm, it started now. Though didn't. I guess i did smtn again.
[16:16] <joaopinto> ok :)
[16:17] <nexsja> I've created a directory in /var/run/ named mysql, gave the user mysql permissions to this dir and... this is the second time i've done this
[16:17] <nexsja> so, i guess, when i do a restart my mysql server won't work again
[16:17] <joaopinto> nemo, erm, wait, you are fixing it manually ?
[16:17] <joaopinto> ops, nexsja
[16:17] <nexsja> yas
[16:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> ooooooh linux you sexy girl, gimme a kiss!
[16:18] <thiebaude> NinjaPlimsolls, great
[16:18] <thiebaude> sexy and fast
[16:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> and just upgraded without nuking itself
[16:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> bonus ;)
[16:19] <nexsja> linux is weird. Sometimes nothing works, but when people fix it - they're happy. Me included. Though nobody choses, for example, a Mac where everything works... Or at least that's what they say
[16:20] <NinjaPlimsolls> is it possible to auto-authenticate? ive never worked out how to stop having to put passwords in to install stuff, or scratch my nose, etc etc
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> You dont want to GET me started on teh issues ive had with Macs.....
[16:20] <Dr_Willis> NinjaPlimsolls:  yes.. but thats bad practice... and sounds like a windows feature. :)
[16:20] <NinjaPlimsolls> LOL
[16:20] <thiebaude> Dr_Willis, yep
[16:20] <NinjaPlimsolls> call me lazy
[16:20] <fabio_27> hmm i'm trying to use a 2.6.30 kernel from the kernel-ppa with karmic. somehow the structure for dvb devices is different than with the official 2.6.31. I get /dev/dvb0.dvr0 etc. devices instead of /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 etc. any help how I can change that to the way it is on the 2.6.31 kernel?
[16:20] <NinjaPlimsolls> fabio_27, thats because the HAL has been deprecated
[16:24] <nexsja> NinjaPlimsolls, it is possible, though all your passwords will be quite v0
[16:24] <nexsja> visible to everyone
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> nexsja, including my login pass?
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> im the only user of this machine
[16:24] <fabio_27> I see, now way to use a 2.6.30 kernel with karmic?
[16:24] <nostahl> when are they going to give you thee ability to do simple commands in empathy like /j #ubuntu+1
[16:24] <nexsja> NinjaPlimsolls, don't know about that, but all your ftp, wireless and other passwords will be just saved in plain text
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> nexsja, ok bad idea then! :P
[16:24] <nexsja> Dr_Willis, well, from what i've heard from some mac fans they say that everything runs pretty smoothly :>
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> looking forward to the single-window GIMP 2.8 however, finally able to beat Photoshop? hmmmm
[16:24] <nexsja> NinjaPlimsolls, why just not use photoshop under wine? :D
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> CS4 needs hardware acceleration
[16:24] <NinjaPlimsolls> never managed to get it working
[16:24] <nexsja> and CS3?
[16:24] <Ian_> because photoshop costs moneys?
[16:24] <nostahl> 166 megs out of 296 megs
[16:24] <kaddi> nexsja: from what people experienced in my surrounding. mac equals to at least one hardware failure in the first 3 month and from there it only goes downhill. Which doesn't stop them from being mac-fans. It just proves the great customer service if you have to send in your product 3 times a year :p
[16:25] <xipi> hi. can i dare to use karmic as a production system, already?
[16:25] <xipi> or is it still too shaky?
[16:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> kaddi, thats weird, ive known people with 10 year old macs that are still running
[16:25] <nostahl> but but... they only use "mac certifed" computer parts heh
[16:25] <nostahl> how could they fail lol
[16:25] <nexsja> xipi, you would, although it has minor instabilities
[16:25] <xipi> nexsja: like which?
[16:25] <joaopinto> xipi, you should not
[16:25] <kaddi> xipi: I'm doing this right now, but I wouldn't advise it. Not if you really need your PC. It's been running without a glitch for me though.
[16:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> xipi, im having some troubles installing deb packages
[16:26] <nexsja> xipi, well, i'm having some trouble with mysql and some quite annoying issues with wireless
[16:26] <joaopinto> nexsja, do not recommend beta for a production system
[16:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> xipi, so if you get the same problem, just sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[16:26] <xipi> ok. thanks for the info
[16:26] <xipi> maybe i should wait a little longer
[16:26] <nexsja> joaopinto, i'm not recommending it, just saying that it's usable, not that i advise it :>
[16:26] <nostahl> cant wait for the jailbreak to come out for my ipod touch 3g
[16:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> karmic seems fine to me
[16:26] <NinjaPlimsolls> but I like bleeding edge
[16:27] <joaopinto> nexsja, it's usable right now, it mayne unusable tomorrow
[16:27] <nexsja> did anybody else, by the way, had any issues with wireless?
[16:27]  * NinjaPlimsolls shudders at the thought of wireless
[16:27] <nexsja> :D
[16:27]  * NinjaPlimsolls caresses his Cat6e patch cable
[16:27] <kaddi> no :D
[16:27] <nullkuhl> hello, i have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala Beta , however i try inserting my usb drive in it but ubuntu doesnt detect it, it doesnt show up in fdisk list and when i type lsusb i get nothing , please advice.
[16:27] <nexsja> yes, linux+wireless = fun.
[16:28] <nostahl> type dmesg
[16:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> is it formatted?
[16:28] <Ian_> nexsja: no problems whatsoever
[16:28] <kaddi> is there a way of keeping ubuntu from removing wicd and reinstalling networkmanager with every upgrade?
[16:28] <nullkuhl> yes its formated
[16:28] <Joeboy> nexsja: mine has started autoconnecting to the wrong network, but that might not be a karmic thing as that was happening to my fg too in jaunty
[16:28] <nullkuhl> i even tried more than 1 device
[16:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> as what?
[16:28] <nullkuhl> same prob
[16:28] <Ian_> nm applet is really going forward and i didn't have any driver problems
[16:28] <nullkuhl> fat32
[16:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> you using a hub at all?
[16:28] <NinjaPlimsolls> or straight on the USB headers?
[16:29] <nullkuhl> straight
[16:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> interesting
[16:29] <nexsja> Well. for me, i've noticed that, dunno why, the range of wireless networks has shortened since 9.04. When i first installed 9.04 i was amazed by the amount of wireless networks found by linux, and now a windows machine gets better connection then me in the same range
[16:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> open a terminal and dmesg > boot
[16:29] <NinjaPlimsolls> open the boot file in your home folder and do a search for USB
[16:29] <Joeboy> I'm getting frequent crashes of metacity/awesome (whichever session I run). anyone else seeing anything like that, or have any idea why?
[16:29] <nexsja> and i've had these weird issues that a network just disappears suddenly.
[16:30] <nullkuhl> usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
[16:30] <nullkuhl> usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
[16:30] <nullkuhl> usbcore: registered new dervice driver usb
[16:30] <NinjaPlimsolls> check, check, check
[16:30] <NinjaPlimsolls> keep going
[16:31] <nullkuhl> its quite massive
[16:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> yeah you should have loads more USB lines
[16:31] <nullkuhl> hmm
[16:31] <NinjaPlimsolls> one for each of your usb slot
[16:32] <JazzplayerL9> crap...just a warning for people...latest update, don't hide anything in your main gnome menu or your Apps menu will disappear.  Found that out the hard way...related to Alacarte
[16:32] <nullkuhl> any idea then
[16:32] <NinjaPlimsolls> JazzplayerL9, as in .file?
[16:32] <nostahl> why hide icons in the app menu
[16:32] <NinjaPlimsolls> oh in the menu, scratch that
[16:32] <JazzplayerL9> NinjaPlimsolls, yeah...the menu itself is active, but nothing is there
[16:33] <JazzplayerL9> NinjaPlimsolls, Places and System still show up for me
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> that makes it more use4r friendly
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[16:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> JazzplayerL9, youve lost me
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> a empty applications menu bug.
[16:33] <JazzplayerL9> what Dr_Willis said
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> Yea whgat he said
[16:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> nullkuhl, not sure what the problem could be to be honest, try the USB device on a different machine
[16:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> may have failed?
[16:34] <nullkuhl> no
[16:34] <nullkuhl> works
[16:35] <nullkuhl> ill try rebooting now
[16:35] <NinjaPlimsolls> ok chap let me know how it goes
[16:35] <nullkuhl> aha
[16:35] <nullkuhl> reboot works
[16:35] <kaddi> congrats :D
[16:35] <nullkuhl> seems that the koala was asleep
[16:35] <nullkuhl> lol
[16:36] <kaddi> lol
[16:36] <NinjaPlimsolls> tadaaa
[16:36] <NinjaPlimsolls> too many eucalyptus leaves
[16:37] <NinjaPlimsolls> anyone else having problems using the dpkg GUI?
[16:37] <nullkuhl> btw
[16:37] <nullkuhl> my koala is just installed 2 min ago, and some icons started disappearing at the menu already
[16:42] <SKB> The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[16:43] <SKB> ?
[16:43] <thiebaude> !details
[16:47] <jtimberman> i just did an apt-get upgrade on my karmic system, and now networking doesn't start up, complains that /var/run/network/ifstate doesn't exist. is this a known issue?
[16:49] <vega-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/377432
[16:52] <jtimberman> why was init changed fundmentally in the middle of the "feature freeze" is this documented somewhere?
[16:54] <jtimberman> rsyslog init script is broken too
[16:55] <Nattgew> is anyone else having problems with wireless recently?
[16:59] <Mach> does anyone know a program better than wine?
[17:00] <darthanubis> linux?
[17:00] <vigo> !wine
[17:00] <Mach> ubuntu
[17:01] <kaddi> what do you want to do?
[17:01] <Mach> running windows applications on ubuntu
[17:01] <darthanubis> google virtualization
[17:01] <darthanubis> !virtualization
[17:02] <Mach> !VMWare
[17:02] <Mach> !Qemu
[17:02] <Pici> !msgthebot
[17:02] <SKB> !Cedega
[17:03] <Mach> so also wine runs game huh?
[17:03] <SKB> yes, wine runs games
[17:03] <darthanubis> !flood
[17:04] <Mach> !Karmic
[17:05] <Mach> so it will release at 29th
[17:05] <Pici> Thats what it says.
[17:05] <Mach> nice
[17:07] <Mach> btw
[17:07] <Mach> when i use wine for running mirc
[17:07] <Mach> the nicklist is pretty messed up
[17:08] <NoelJB> jtimberman, do you mean the introduction of upstart?
[17:09] <NoelJB> Nattgew, bug 444181
[17:09] <Mach> lol
[17:09] <NoelJB> Nattgew, if it isn't that, I'm not aware of anything new.
[17:09] <Mach> he has the same problem
[17:09] <Mach> as i posted
[17:09] <Mach> noeljb remember?
[17:09] <NoelJB> Mach, problem?  which?
[17:09] <Mach> well
[17:10] <Mach> when i use wine for running a mirc
[17:10] <Mach> the nicklist is pretty messed up
[17:10] <SKB> use linux alternatives
[17:10] <Mach> how?
[17:10] <Pici> Mach: Are you running Karmic?
[17:10] <NoelJB> Mach, you mean bug 444954
[17:10] <Mach> nope
[17:11] <Mach> 9.04
[17:11] <Mach> no no
[17:11] <Pici> Mach: Then you should be directing your questions to #ubuntu.  #ubuntu+1 is only for Karmic issues.
[17:11] <Mach> oh
[17:11] <Mach> sorryh
[17:12] <Mach> bug 444181
[17:12] <Mach> same as my problem
[17:13] <kaddi> try wicd :p
[17:13] <Mach> wots that?
[17:13] <Pici> Mach: #ubuntu
[17:13] <NoelJB> kaddi, the bug is already fixed.
[17:15] <wirechief_> I cannot get karmic-netbook-remix-i386.iso to boot from my usb stick, i used dd if=karmic-netbook-remix-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M to put the .iso on my usb stick
[17:15] <Nattgew> my problem is that it just won't connect to the network, keeps asking for a password
[17:15] <kaddi> Mach a different network-manager. NoelJB: I was just kidding. I don't really believe in fixing problems in one app by installing a different one. This being said, I've been very happy with wicd for 2 years now, while NM never really worked for me.
[17:16] <wirechief_> i checked the karmic-netboo-remix-i386.iso's sha256sum and it was ok.
[17:16] <wirechief_> date of download was today
[17:16] <Mach> where can i get wicd?
[17:17] <DopeGhoti> Mach: looks like it's in the repos; just apt-get wicd
[17:17] <Nattgew> wpa_supplicant[1261]: Association request to the driver failed
[17:17] <Nattgew> would that indicate a drive issue?
[17:17] <Nattgew> driver
[17:17] <Mach> E: Invalid operation wicd
[17:18] <kaddi> Mach this will remove network-manager though! So if you decide to stop halfway through or if something goes wrong with the installation you might be left without internet connection
[17:18] <legend2440> Mach: its in the repos. but you have to enable Universe
[17:18] <kaddi> Mach apt-get install wicd ;)
[17:18] <Mach> oh
[17:18] <Mach> its gona remove the network-manager?
[17:18] <Mach> then no thanks
[17:18] <vigo> kaddi: Did that work for you?
[17:19] <NoelJB> besides, the problem Mach has is that because his karmic wireless is b0rked, he can't install the fix.  which means that he wouldn
[17:19] <NoelJB> t be able to install wicd, either.
[17:19] <Mach> excatly noeljb
[17:19] <NoelJB> he said that he's waiting for a release cd to fix it.
[17:19] <Mach> u got it
[17:19] <Pici> NoelJB: Mach said he was running 9.04
[17:19] <Mach> yeah
[17:20] <Mach> after i formatted
[17:20] <FlipStonE> hello, i have a problem with my sound, after my upgrades of today... limewire plays music, vlc and mplayer don't...
[17:20] <kaddi> vigo, you mean the command: apt-get install wicd? To the best of my recollection yes, although that was some 2 years ago. :p All the later installs of wicd I did by removing network-manager and installing the deb-package by hand from usb
[17:20] <NoelJB> Pici, because if he were back running karmic, he'd have no networking :-)
[17:20] <Mach> i installed 9.04 again
[17:20] <vigo> kaddi: Okee dokee, Thank you.
[17:21] <NoelJB> Mach, the release candidate comes out on the 22nd.
[17:21] <jemark> Mach i habe karmic with working network-manager and the latest kernel update
[17:21] <Mach> yeah i got no pro with that
[17:21] <Mach> i can wait
[17:22] <Mach> oh
[17:24] <NoelJB> Nattgew, if you want, please try the packages from the PPA (https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages) and if they don't work, file a bug report.
[17:24] <sur> I think my Nautilus settings are broken somehow after an update yesterday. Is it me or everyone. It is OK if it is not only me
[17:24] <Nattgew> NoelJB, how would I know if the problem is with Network Manager?
[17:24] <sur> looks like mime has gone
[17:24] <NoelJB> sur, it isn't just you, but it should be fixed now.
[17:25] <sur> and cannot arrange icons
[17:25] <NoelJB> sur do another update and upgrade
[17:25] <NoelJB> you want a new glib and some other changes.
[17:25] <NoelJB> Nattgew, you can stop by #nm and ask if you want another opinion :-)
[17:25] <jemark> NoelJB, :) yes, I had the problem yesterday but after the update the nm-applet worked again ;)
[17:26] <sur> NoelJB, OK trying an update now. Will let you know
[17:26] <Nattgew> thanks, I'll try that
[17:26] <NoelJB> kaddi, I use wired, wireless and CDMA.  NM (now :-)) handles all of that quite seamlessly for me.
[17:27] <djm62> I connect to the internet via wimax, and NetworkManager doesn't handle it... unfortunately that means that Empathy refuses to believe I
[17:27] <djm62> ...I'm connected (darn netbook keyboard with return next to ')
[17:27] <NoelJB> djm62, file a bug report, if you haven't already.  to put it on the radar if it isn't.
[17:28] <kaddi> NoelJB: I might give it a try again at some point. After the upgrade it didn't see my network, so I simply removed it again and installed wicd, which immediately recognized it.
[17:28] <kaddi> gotta run now. see you
[17:29] <djm62> where do I file the bug report?  It seems like it isn't an issue with NetworkManager, but it cuts across several applications that believe NM: for example UbuntuOne, empathy, and pidgin (I have a workaround for pidgin)
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Err.. thers a feature in 9.10 to set the network manager to use 'wicd' instead of the network-manager' thing. I recall. No need to 'remove' one or the other.
[17:29] <Mach> Noeljb got any idea how to fix this?
[17:29] <Mach> i cant hear anything
[17:30] <Mach> when i play some video clips or music .. i cant hear a sound
[17:30] <NoelJB> djm62, launchpad.  and if NM can't connect via wimax, that seems a legit place to start.
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> Mach:  you have sounds other wise? try playing the clips in vlc, or mplayer?
[17:30] <Mach> well i tried
[17:30] <Mach> well
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> Mach:  is it 'some' clips.. or ALL video files?
[17:31] <Mach> all of them
[17:31] <djm62> NoelJB: I meant which package... I wouldn't be using beta if I didn't know where to report bugs.  NM not doing something it isn't supposed to do isn't really a bug though...
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> Mach:  installed the w32codecs package yet?   i find totem a little brain dead in  some ways. im pretty much able to play anything i cqan find with vlc/gnome-mplayer and the w32codecs
[17:32] <Mach> where can i install it?
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> !medibuntu
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> !w32codecs
[17:33] <NoelJB> djm62, network-manager.  it would be marked as a feature request/wishlist.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> those are at the medibuntu repo.
[17:33] <NoelJB> djm62, unless you feel that NM shouldn't manage wimax.  Why shouldn't it?
[17:34] <NoelJB> djm62, the fact that other things don't believe that you ARE connected ... well, that would be a different bug.  :-)
[17:34] <djm62> NoelJB: I'm sure it will, but that's not the real problem... my wimax thingmy works fine, I'm using it now.  The problem is that last thing you mentioned
[17:35] <djm62> I mean, the NM guys are no doubt aware of wimax: I don't think I need to report that as a bug until it's supposed to work and doesn't
[17:36] <sur> NoelJB, Ubuntu servers are slow, do you think MIT mirrors would have the updates already? Is there lag between those mirrors in terms of package availability?
[17:37] <NoelJB> sur, not a clue
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> sur:  there can be a lag but rarely for very long (a few hrs perhaps)
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> !info basic256
[17:40] <djm62> OK I'll report the "I thought we were offline" thing against NM, as NM is the  common factor... better minds than I can move it to the correct place(s)
[17:40] <domjohnson> Heyyy
[17:40] <domjohnson> How goes it?
[17:40]  * sur reboots
[17:40] <Mach> so Noel
[17:41] <Mach> any ideas?
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. IT would be nice if the 'Ubuntu software center' rembered my password when i authenicate...
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> typing it for each app  i install is a little... tedious
[17:43] <Mach> brb
[17:45] <vigo> Dr_Willis:  Is there a line of code that can be altered for that. Like timeout=03 or whatever?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> vigo:  not that i see, i just ran it with gksudo software-center     - that kicked it quiet!
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> software-center.... needs work.. badly
[17:46] <domjohnson> I still have no sound
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> But it is a work in progress
[17:47] <domjohnson> hmm...software center isnt the default add/rem programs on here,,,
[17:47] <vigo> Dr_Willis: Nice job, is the usr pwd in cache or someplace still or is there a flush after X?
[17:48] <NoelJB> Dr_Willis, and so is integration with policykit.
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> Its at the bottom of the applications menu.
[17:48] <NoelJB> (a work-in-progress)
[17:48] <domjohnson> Its not, Dr_willis
[17:48] <domjohnson> Not for me
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> I see my self still using synaptic......
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> domjohnson:  it just moved there for me after todays updates (or yesterdays)\
[17:48] <nostahl> why dont they implement common irc commands like /j
[17:48] <nostahl> in empathy
[17:48] <domjohnson> ohhh
[17:48] <domjohnson> Im just updating now
[17:48] <domjohnson> Im using xchat on here
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> it was under system -> admin  where i really think it SHOULD be...
[17:49] <domjohnson> for msn i use emesene
[17:49] <domjohnson> what is /j anyway?
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> short for /join
[17:49] <nostahl> lets you join another room ie /j #ubuntu+1
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> a command that most EVERY irc client does
[17:50] <DopeGhoti> I'd be amused by any IRC client with no /join command
[17:50] <nostahl> how stupid is it that they dont let you in empathy
[17:50] <jtimberman> irssi ftw. :)
[17:50] <nostahl> and how did empathy make it into karmic because of that
[17:50] <domjohnson> ok
[17:50] <DopeGhoti> wait— empathy has no /join‽
[17:50] <nostahl> nope you have to go to the contact list
[17:50] <nostahl> go to room
[17:50] <nostahl> and then hit join
[17:50] <DopeGhoti> wait— channels are 'contacts'‽
[17:51] <domjohnson> Use XChat
[17:51] <nostahl> then a popup comes up and you type the room in there
[17:51] <DopeGhoti> Wow, empathy sounds less and less interesting to me now
[17:51] <domjohnson> What do you use, DopeGhoti?
[17:51] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: I alternate between xChat and irssi
[17:51] <domjohnson> :D
[17:51] <domjohnson> I use XChat
[17:52] <domjohnson> Its interface isnt too tidy, but its still good
[17:52] <nostahl> i use to use pidgin just for the other protocols
[17:52] <nostahl> trying empathy to figure out what the dev's thought it's redeeming qualities were
[17:52] <nostahl> maybe im overlooking something
[17:53] <DopeGhoti> nostahl: afaik, it's the engine behind it (telepathy) and that by rolling in Empahy, they can lose Ekiga
[17:53] <nostahl> who even uses ekiga
[17:54] <nostahl> skype is top
[17:54] <DopeGhoti> nostahl: people who want AVoIP
[17:54] <nostahl> i have skype on all of my devices
[17:54] <nostahl> love it
[17:54] <snek> i'm having problems automounting a few XFS partitions with Karmic.. made directories under /media and added the correct lines to /etc/fstab, anybody else have a problem like this?
[17:55] <snek> my /etc/fstab: http://pastebin.org/38731
[17:55] <snek> i have to sudo mount -a on ever reboot to get them to mount
[17:55] <domjohnson> I have a question for you all - why do [i]you[/i] think that ubuntu has no viruses?
[17:55] <snek> domjohnson, because of the way linux permissions work
[17:56] <DopeGhoti> why is pastebin forwarding me to 'wallpapersuggest'‽
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> !info pyrocket
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm....
[17:56] <nostahl> dopeghoti pastie.org ftw
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> I know what i want for Xmas now... :P
[17:56] <Pici> DopeGhoti: What url are you using to access the pastebin?
[17:56] <SKB> hehe
[17:56] <DopeGhoti> nostahl: that *was* pastebin.org
[17:56] <nostahl> dopeghoti read again pastie.org
[17:56] <DopeGhoti> ah
[17:57] <nostahl> stumbled across it last month its really nice and quick to upload
[17:57] <snek> indeed, my /etc/fstab on pastie: http://pastie.org/645606
[17:58] <snek> could it be the last two numbers? because they are 0 0 and my / is 0 1?
[17:58] <domjohnson> Oh dear...
[17:58] <domjohnson> How do i add another partition onto ubuntu?
[17:58] <nostahl> gparted
[17:58] <domjohnson> I just got a low disk space warning
[17:58] <DopeGhoti> Is there a way to change pastebinit's default pastebin clone?
[18:00] <domjohnson> Right, but like, to mount it so that its sort of intergrated into my home foler
[18:00] <DanaG> weird... wubi for karmic doesn't work on a win7 PC I have here.  Optiplex 740.
[18:00] <domjohnson> *folder
[18:00] <domjohnson> nvm
[18:00] <DanaG> Try (hd0,0) FAT16: No WUBILDR
[18:00] <DanaG> Try (hd0,1) NTFS5:   <hangs here>
[18:00] <domjohnson> huh?
[18:00] <domjohnson> Who was that directed to?
[18:01] <snek> domjohnson, you can actually mount a dir on another drive into a dir where you need more space
[18:01] <RPG_Master> OK, I filled my hard drive, which I know does funky stuff to ubuntu
[18:01] <RPG_Master> Now my icons are white pieces of paper on my desktop :(
[18:03] <brynjarh> I just created a ubuntu usb install disk but when I select anything in the boot menu I get "Boot loader  /casper/vmlinz" and nothing else, except for Boot from first had disk, then it boots from first hard disk.
[18:03] <DanaG> Who was my question directed to?  To anyone who can answer.
[18:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[18:04] <nostahl> they need to suck up karmic's gut
[18:04] <nostahl> it getting too big
[18:05] <nostahl> 3.5 gigs
[18:05] <RPG_Master> SO... can anyone help me and my missing/messed up icons?
[18:05] <nostahl> getting too big for my eeepc's sda1
[18:05] <rsk> nostahl: including swap?
[18:05] <bucky> bug #402190
[18:05] <nostahl> just /root
[18:06] <rsk> dosen't sound right
[18:06] <nostahl> just did sudo aptitude autoclean
[18:06] <nostahl> and sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:06] <nostahl> and it dropped it to the 3.5 gig mark
[18:06] <nostahl> was nearing 4 gigs
[18:07] <rsk> maybe ubuntu is not for you then
[18:07] <nostahl> pft
[18:07] <nostahl> could always go back to the superior Arch linux :)
[18:07] <rsk> yep
[18:07] <snek> remove some things then
[18:08] <snek> or start with a bare install and work your way up
[18:08] <nostahl> only installed filezilla and skype
[18:08] <RPG_Master> so, no one knows how to fix my issue?
[18:08] <RPG_Master> :(
[18:08] <snek> mine is using 3.2gb now and i have quite a few things installed
[18:09] <snek> RPG_Master, maybe try setting your theme to another icon set?
[18:09] <djm62> mine is a bit big for my sda1 (eeepc901)
[18:10] <RPG_Master> snek: Didn't fix it :(
[18:10] <slacker_nl> pfff
[18:10] <djm62> which is a shame, because aside from that it's the best machine I've ever owned, and everything worked OOTB
[18:10] <MichaelKohler> how can I automatically re-generated my /boot/grub/menu.lst? "uname -r" says "2.6.31-11-generic", but in my menu.lst I just have 2.6.28-xx entries..
[18:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My netbook has a 120gb hd. :)
[18:10] <RPG_Master> Is there like a pastebin for screenshots?
[18:10] <snek> imageshack.us?
[18:10] <slacker_nl> my cpu is going beserk, X is continuesly taking 99% CPU
[18:11] <slacker_nl> MichaelKohler: update-grub
[18:11] <coppro_> okay, this is bad
[18:11] <Joeboy> ooh
[18:11] <DopeGhoti> RPG_Master: picpaste.com
[18:11] <RPG_Master> snek: I was hoping for something quick
[18:11] <nostahl> dr_willis ya but the good netbooks are ssds :)
[18:11] <snek> i thought karmic didn't use menu.lst anymore??
[18:11] <vigo> RPG_Master: Yes there is, but I have to look it up again.
[18:11]  * Joeboy notices awesome is taking up ~95% cpu
[18:11] <coppro_> okay, this is bad
[18:11] <coppro_> I just updated and now X is a CPU hog
[18:12] <slacker_nl> coppro_: i have the same issue
[18:12] <coppro_> also, my console (non-X)l no longer sets the font correctly at startup
[18:12] <MichaelKohler> snek: possible.. I kinda messed up with the grub
[18:12] <slacker_nl> coppro_: same issue
[18:12] <coppro_> ThinkPad?
[18:12] <slacker_nl> coppro_: dell latitude d630
[18:12] <coppro_> Intel graphics chip?
[18:13] <slacker_nl> full of intel hardware, saw an xorg intel upgrade today
[18:13] <slacker_nl> yes sir
[18:13] <coppro_> probably it then
[18:13] <snek> yeah the xorg intel drivers are known to be buggy sometimes
[18:13]  * coppro_ is about to try rebooting with an old kernel
[18:13] <coppro> what the...
[18:13] <Joeboy> coppro: didn't work for me
[18:14] <snek> i just apt upgraded and have no problems with an nvidia card
[18:14] <Joeboy> fwiw
[18:14] <coppro> rebooted, missed grub, and now the console font is right
[18:14] <slacker_nl> coppro: don't think that is an issue
[18:14] <coppro> trying X now
[18:14] <slacker_nl> think the issue is xorg
[18:14] <MichaelKohler> slacker_nl: thxc
[18:14] <slacker_nl> np
[18:14] <coppro> slacker_nl: try 'sudo service kdm/gdm stop' and rebooting; seems to have worked for me
[18:15] <slacker_nl> coppro: did that earlier today
[18:15] <slacker_nl> worked for that reboot
[18:15] <snek> but.. wouldn't a reboot automatically do a gdm stop?
[18:15] <slacker_nl> but came back tonight
[18:16] <slacker_nl> well, i'm going to restore to yesterday's setup, pin some packages and check if it is X org kernel related
[18:16] <coppro> just rebooted, didn't happen
[18:16] <coppro> weird
[18:16] <coppro> good that someone is looking into this.
[18:17] <coppro> I'd guess it's a kernel issue as the console font should be set before X starts, and if that's failing it can't be an X issue
[18:17] <RPG_Master> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png
[18:17] <RPG_Master> :(
[18:17] <slacker_nl> well, see you in a bit
[18:17] <slacker_nl> rstoring
[18:17] <RPG_Master> ^check it out and please help
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> looks like its showing the contents of the .desktop files not the icons for them, for one thing...
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> at least thats what the black text is.
[18:18] <coppro> yeah, that's what I thought
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> did you just drag/drop items from the menus to the desktop to get those icons?
[18:19] <RPG_Master> Yeah, a LONG time ago, this just started happening today
[18:19] <domjohnson> GRR
[18:19] <Dr_Willis> i would test see if it also affects a NEW user.. and see if it affects NEW icons you drag from the menus
[18:19] <domjohnson> it logged me off suddenly
[18:19] <domjohnson> then the mouse wasnt working
[18:19] <domjohnson> so i had to reboot
[18:19] <domjohnson> some "maintenance" thing came up
[18:19] <domjohnson> i cancelled
[18:19] <domjohnson> It didnt boot
[18:19] <domjohnson> brb
[18:20] <RPG_Master> Dr_Willis: Can I test that in a guest account?
[18:20] <Dr_Willis> RPG_Master:  no idea... try it and see
[18:20] <RPG_Master> ok, brb
[18:20] <Dr_Willis> but if it works.. is that really a valid test. :)
[18:21] <Joeboy> RPG_Master: try update-mime-database.real -V ~/.local/share/mime/
[18:21] <djm62> wow, that NetworkManager/EverythingThatUsesNetworkManager bug has been around for years
[18:22] <Joeboy> (that seemed to fix it for me, although that might have been coincidental)
[18:23] <RPG_Master> Joeboy: Didn't work :(  Also, its opening images in gedit :O
[18:23] <Joeboy> RPG_Master: log out and in again?
[18:23] <Ian_> how do i install plugins in the eclipse supplied by the karmic repo's :p
[18:23] <RPG_Master> ok
[18:24] <boondoklife> hey guys I have a question, On the beta page it says to report any messages that come up after grub and before splash. do i use apport-bug to do this and if so what program should i feed it?
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> I get o many messages there boondoklife  its scary. :)
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> imust get like 30 lines of text
[18:25] <boondoklife> well i only get about 5 so not that bad =P
[18:25] <boondoklife> just a bunch of usb clamoring
[18:25] <Dr_Willis> I still get an 'acerfan' message and like 30 usb messages and some about fsck
[18:26] <boondoklife> heh i get the fsck messages too and some starting blah blah blah messages
[18:26] <domjohnson> I get loads of lines too
[18:26] <domjohnson> i get several
[18:27] <domjohnson> I get an fsck message
[18:27] <boondoklife> Im really just happy my btheadset works now without alot of scripting
[18:27] <domjohnson> How do you report them ,anyway?
[18:27] <domjohnson> Because they varyn from boot to boot
[18:27] <boondoklife> domjohnson: that is what I was asking =P
[18:28] <domjohnson> i know bondo
[18:28] <domjohnson> I was wondering too :)
[18:28] <RPG_Master> FIXED :D
[18:28] <RPG_Master> thanks :)
[18:28] <Joeboy> RPG_Master: awesome
[18:29] <MichaelKohler> why does gnome-do show my about 150% CPU time in the System Monitor? isn't that kinda weird?
[18:30] <MichaelKohler> or is it because I have a dual core so it shows in total 200%?
[18:30] <FloridaGuy> firefox keeps closeing on me....and opera wont install....tryed reinstalling gdebi....but still wont open to install opera
[18:31] <balor> Have the Power Preferences for on battery power disappeared in Karmic?
[18:31] <Ian_> how do i install plugins in the eclipse supplied by the karmic repo's
[18:32] <FloridaGuy> firefox keeps closeing on me....and opera wont install....tryed reinstalling gdebi....but still wont open to install opera
[18:32] <domjohnson> Need to go into the live disc
[18:32] <domjohnson> so be back in about half an hour or so
[18:33] <boondoklife> balor: do you mean the tab in system -> prefs -> power managment?
[18:34] <balor> boondoklife, Yes.
[18:34] <boondoklife> Anyone have an issue with empathy and nickserv messages crashing it?
[18:34] <boondoklife> balor: I have that tab on mine, so it should be there
[18:34] <balor> boondoklife, thanks
[18:35] <boondoklife> balor: np
[18:38] <tehbaut> heh, well the installer /was/ stuck on step 3, but now it's doing something
[18:38] <tehbaut> oh, screensaver tried to start
[18:39] <tehbaut> so still stuck on step 3 (from inside live demo environment)
[18:39] <tehbaut> should I keep waiting? it's been about 10 mins now
[18:40] <boondoklife> can i get two people pm me, trying to see if that will crash empathy so i can report it.
[18:42] <jedipottsy> hey can somone help with UNR?
[18:42] <imachine> what's UNR ?
[18:42] <jedipottsy> im missing some game icons in the game section, and there is large spaces where some items are
[18:42] <jedipottsy> Ubuntu netbook remix
[18:42] <imachine> aha
[18:42] <imachine> dunno about it
[18:42] <imachine> it's still beta innit
[18:42] <imachine> :)
[18:43] <Berzerker-> jedipottsy, what netbook
[18:43] <Berzerker-> jedipottsy, and when did you install it
[18:44] <badmox_> hi i have an error on startup on an 64bit system "can not read '/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules'" file is there but empty
[18:45] <boondoklife> badmox_: i dont have that file on my box, if it is empty then move it to your desktop
[18:45] <boondoklife> badmox_: and try again
[18:49] <jedipottsy> Berzerker-: Dell mini 9 and i installed it today
[18:53] <jedipottsy> this is my problem http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/104/iconproblem.png
[18:56] <lukehasnoname> has anyone had Suspend break since the latest update?
[18:56] <guest1> Hello
[18:56] <guest1> Using pidgin
[18:57] <guest1> i keep getting an error when using GParted
[18:57] <guest1> While its running the simulation of resizing filesyystem
[18:57] <davisc> This might be a stupid question, but you only need the headers when you're compiling something against the kernel, right?
[18:57] <guest1> It says something like |no action"
[18:58] <lukehasnoname> davisc: I think so
[19:00] <mac_v> NoelJB: awesome bug title ;) Bug #445674
[19:01] <NoelJB> mac_v, you have an issue with it?  or a solution?  :-D
[19:01] <NoelJB> mac_v, I want a pony, too, but I don't think that a 24 hour clock is asking too much :-)
[19:01] <mac_v> NoelJB: no issues , just a fan of the title ;)
[19:01] <NoelJB> mac_v, :-)
[19:02] <lukehasnoname> Anyone have suspend troubles?  The suspend and hibernate buttons have completely disappeared from my desktop.
[19:02] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, saw someone else report that today.  they still work for me.
[19:02] <sri> howdy
[19:03] <sri> I'm trying to upgrade to karmic beta.. but I seem to have ran into a packaging error that I haven't encountered before.
[19:03] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, hmmm ... what do you mean by "buttons"  I have them on the indicator-session menu (upper right)
[19:03] <guest1> luke - if mine goes into standby it doesnt come out of it
[19:03] <sri> I upgraded using the synaptic method over the network.  What I get is this:
[19:03] <sri> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libpam-modules
[19:04] <sri> it's trying to upgrade base-files
[19:04] <sri> any ideas?
[19:05] <lukehasnoname> NoelJB: I usually don't use the indicator applet. I usually press the power button on my laptop which brings up the gnome window for Shudown/hibernate/sleep/restart. It's gone now from that window.
[19:05] <lukehasnoname> I just brought the indicator applet back for a sec and all options are there.
[19:05] <lukehasnoname> I'm going to try sleeping...
[19:06] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, ok.  I haven't tried my power button.  can try.  I rarely touch it unless I need to do a hard shutdown or power-on.
[19:07] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, confirming (if you want to open a bug report).  I see only shutdown and restart.
[19:07] <JoshuaL> !info network-manager
[19:07] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, so if you do open a bug report, let me know the bug #
[19:07] <lukehasnoname> NoelJB: What package would I file that under? Idea/
[19:08] <guest1> I have an error while shrinking my windows partition
[19:08] <NoelJB> lukehasnoname, ENOCLUE ... gnome-power-manager and let them reassign??
[19:09] <lukehasnoname> perhaps. Also, some power options have dropped from the main gnome menu
[19:09] <lukehasnoname> balst
[19:09] <boondoklife> guest1: what type of problem and what filesystem is it?
[19:09] <lukehasnoname> *blast
[19:09] <guest1> I get the error on "grow filesystem to fill partition">"Run simulation"
[19:09] <guest1> and the error is
[19:10] <dfgas> how do i make more of the animated/time changed backgrounds?
[19:10] <guest1> ntfsresize [Then a load of stuff i dont think is relevant] Then "--no action"
[19:10] <guest1> can anyone help?
[19:11] <boondoklife> guest1: are you using the install cd to do this?
[19:11] <NoelJB> dfgas, I'd look at the one that's there and try to clone it, for a start.
[19:12] <NoelJB> dfgas, and when you figure it all out, let ME know.  :-)  I was thinking the same thing the other day.
[19:13]  * NinjaPlimsolls cant believe what he's just found
[19:13] <guest1> boondoklife
[19:13] <guest1> yes
[19:13] <guest1> Im guessing im showing up as guest1?
[19:13] <Berzerker-> yes
[19:13] <guest1> I show up on here as "domjohnson"
[19:13] <guest1> Grr
[19:13] <guest1> Evilll
[19:14] <domjohnson> What about now?
[19:14] <davisc> Which is prefered for bug reports? dmesg > blah.txt or /var/log/dmesg?
[19:15] <NoelJB> davisc, even better?  ubuntu-bug <package> and it will decide what it wants.  but otherwise, I suppose /var/log/dmesg.
[19:17] <boondoklife> domjohnson: can you pastebin the error messages?
[19:17] <domjohnson> ok
[19:21] <NoelJB> dfgas, OK, look at /usr/share/backgrounds/.  there is a cosmos/ directory from the gnome-screensaver package.  the xml file describes the behavior, the files are the images.
[19:21] <domjohnson> boonoklife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288027/
[19:21] <domjohnson> *boondoklife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288027/
[19:22] <NoelJB> dfgas, looks really straightforward to do.
[19:22] <boondoklife> domjohnson: hmm i dont think the permission denied messages are normal, can you try to run it in gksudo
[19:22] <domjohnson> k
[19:22] <domjohnson> How do i do that?
[19:23] <domjohnson> gksudo gparted ?
[19:23] <chris2kn5> Help. :3  I installed Karmic for first time 30min ago.  I got a broken network connection.  What do I do from this point? It worked great in previous versions.
[19:23] <boondoklife> domjohnson: yup
[19:23] <domjohnson> ok
[19:23] <domjohnson> YAY! I GUESSED A COMMAND!
[19:23] <domjohnson> lol
[19:23] <boondoklife> lol
[19:23] <yofel> chris2kn5: can you tell us what network card you have?
[19:23] <chris2kn5> yofel, Will do.
[19:24] <domjohnson> Hmm....The terminal just dissapears
[19:24] <domjohnson> the thing comes up that says @starting terminal"
[19:24] <yofel> chris2kn5: you can find out by typing 'lspci' in a terminal. Also: is it wired or wireless?
[19:24] <domjohnson> but then it just dissapears
[19:24] <chris2kn5> yofel, Also, I'm able to connect via eth0 + wlan0.  I got IP addresses.  It's just that it wouldn't work for some reason.
[19:25] <chris2kn5> yofel, Wireless --> PRO/Wireless 4965 AG orAGN
[19:25] <NinjaPlimsolls> I've just seen a transformation pack that makes Vista look like Ubuntu.... surely thats like putting lipstick on a pig!?
[19:25] <yofel> chris2kn5: ok, then let's try something else, what do you get when you run 'ping google.com' in a terminal?
[19:25] <joaopinto> before he could try just to ping it's gateway :P
[19:26] <chris2kn5> yofel, Wired --> 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller.  Ping failed for local network, let alone external. :(
[19:26] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, so you are using dchp and your interface got an IP address ?
[19:26] <chris2kn5> joakim-, Yes.
[19:26] <domjohnson> hmm
[19:26] <domjohnson> Im getting loads of permission denied things
[19:26] <domjohnson> like
[19:26] <domjohnson> i cant even launch firefox
[19:26] <domjohnson> Im gonna reboot
[19:27] <domjohnson> be back soon
[19:27] <domjohnson> probs as @guest1@
[19:27] <chris2kn5> I got two separate IP address -- wlan0 + eth0.  But for some reason, I can't use Firefox or anything else. This baffled me. :o
[19:27] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, netstat -r
[19:27] <joaopinto> first you need to be sure your interface is getting the proper net info from dhcp
[19:27] <joaopinto> like, an expected IP, gateway, and netmask
[19:28] <dooglus> does ndiswrapper work on the AMD64 version of ubuntu?
[19:28] <chris2kn5> joaopinto, Some of them looks generic or null. Eg, I use 192.168.1.* but it generated 192.168.0.0 and such.
[19:28] <dooglus> with 32 bit windows drivers?
[19:28] <jbuncher> anyone else currently running gurb2 along with grub legacy in karmic?  latest updates have them conflicting, one seems to need to be removed....
[19:29] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, generic means not the expected value ?
[19:29] <strider_> hi there
[19:29] <chris2kn5> If this helps, I'm using Dell XPS M1530.
[19:30] <chris2kn5> joaopinto, It looks okay -- but I never used netstat -r before. I'm not sure how it should looks like.  I'll test it on my netboot.
[19:30] <mvo> sri: hm, do you get the same immediate configuration error when you use the update-manager method of upgrading?
[19:30] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, run: sudo dhclietn eth0
[19:30] <joaopinto> dhclient
[19:30] <strider_> last updates of karmic just broke all my file associations !
[19:31] <joaopinto> strider_, known issue, bering worked
[19:31] <joaopinto> being
[19:31] <strider_> ok cool
[19:31] <strider_> and the one where the preview supposed to go inside the icons appearing randomly all over a window ?
[19:31] <chris2kn5> joaopinto, That worked great!  I got the www at my whim now! :)  What was the issue?
[19:32] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, yoi failed to get dhcp configuration during boot
[19:32] <joaopinto> failed
[19:33] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, there is still somthing wrong if you don't get network after rebooting
[19:33] <chris2kn5> joaopinto, I see. Is this something I will have to do at every boot? Okay. Ill reboot to determine.
[19:33] <Fffars> hello everybody
[19:33] <joaopinto> chris2kn5, you will need to check, it could be a temporary problem with the connection/dhcp server
[19:33] <Fffars> i have bug with Karmic
[19:34] <TheInfinity> report it :)
[19:34] <Fffars> on my Acer AOD250 don't work click in touchpad
[19:34] <Fffars> just button
[19:34] <Fffars> of touchpad
[19:35] <cetanhota> did you go into mouse settings and turn it on
[19:35] <Lysi> Hi, anyone knows about server probs updating Karmic?
[19:35] <chris2kn5> Fffars, How do you know the touchpad button isn't physically broken? :)
[19:35] <domjohnson> back
[19:35] <Fffars> its work in 9.04
[19:36] <cetanhota> Fffars, just setup my test laptop. using click on touch pad was not turned on by default.
[19:36] <Berzerker-> Fffars, it's disabled by default System > Preferences > Mouse
[19:36] <Fffars> ok. later
[19:36] <strider_> oh my, never seen such a glitch on Gnome ^^ http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5541/screenshotetswitch0114f.png
[19:36] <Berzerker-> Fffars, check "Enable mouse clicks with touchpad
[19:36] <Berzerker-> or not.
[19:36] <boondoklife> domjohnson: did it work
[19:36] <cetanhota> lol, its a bug its a bug. lol
[19:37] <chris2kn5> joaopinto, I have to run the said command again to get wlan0 working. Is it a bug or something that went haywire? This is a clean beta installation, not upgrade.
[19:38] <tj83_> anyone know how soon after karmic release does Lucid come to #ubuntu+1?
[19:38] <NoelJB> chris2kn5, clean beta?  have you updated yet?
[19:38] <Ian_> update wants to remove grup-pc
[19:38] <chris2kn5> NoelJB, Oh that is right.  I haven't.  I had network issues. :3
[19:38] <NoelJB> chris2kn5, there are 100s of updates since the beta, including to networking.
[19:38] <dfgas> NoelJB, cools, thanks will check it out
[19:38] <Pici> tj83_: Usually about when the toolchain is updated and the repositories  open.
[19:38] <yofel> tj83_: the channel is usually closed for ~2 weeks
[19:38] <Ian_> is that good?
[19:38] <tj83_> Pici, and approximately when is this?
[19:38] <NoelJB> chris2kn5, if you can update now, please do, then check again.  if you still have network issues, please let me know.
[19:39] <tj83_> Pici, i missed the start of testing with Karmic... I have really enjoyed watching it grow... reason i ask
[19:40] <Pici> tj83_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[19:40] <Pici> Probably closer to UDS though
[19:40] <Berzerker-> tj83, October 29th is the karmic release date.
[19:40] <Berzerker-> tj83, Lucid probably won't get here for another few weeks after that.
[19:41] <tj83_> Pici, Berzerker- ty.
[19:42]  * NoelJB ponders if the default theme for 10.4 should be *clearlooks
[19:43] <Berzerker-> new linux kernel is out
[19:43] <Berzerker-> -12
[19:43] <domjohnson> boondoklife: no
[19:43] <domjohnson> it failed
[19:43] <domjohnson> :"
[19:43] <domjohnson> :@
[19:44] <boondoklife> same error?
[19:45] <domjohnson> Yeah
[19:45] <domjohnson> Wait
[19:45] <domjohnson> Maybe not
[19:46] <domjohnson> ohhh
[19:46] <domjohnson> i closed it
[19:46] <bucky> ikonia, screw you britt... if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking german now
[19:46] <domjohnson> Ill try again
[19:46] <Berzerker-> bucky, if it wasn't for us, we'd be speaking german also
[19:46] <boondoklife> domjohnson: lol
[19:46] <Ian_> idd :p
[19:47] <Ian_> bucky: i'm sure you fought alot of wars :o
[19:47] <NoelJB> Berzerker-, bucky now now, guys ... let's keep that out of the channel  :-)
[19:49] <bucky> how come a user can't change their own passwd in ubuntu?
[19:50] <DopeGhoti> bucky: they can
[19:50] <bucky> try it
[19:50] <DopeGhoti> I've done it just today, in fact.
[19:50] <bucky> type passwd
[19:51] <DopeGhoti> bucky: it's working normally
[19:51] <ikonia> bucky: we've discussed this
[19:51] <ikonia> stop please
[19:51] <bucky> no.. you've discussed it, i'm not done
[19:52] <domjohnson> bucky: i hate to be some kind of "bossy" person, but if you want to argue, go do it on a private message channel
[19:52] <DopeGhoti> bucky: what misbehaviour are you seeing, precisely?
[19:52] <bucky> domjohnson, you ask enough dumb questions for three people that are all faq and doc
[19:53] <bucky> how come a user can't change their own passwd in ubuntu?
[19:53] <ikonia> bucky: drop the attitude to people now. It's a fair question he's asking
[19:53] <bucky> ikonia, which question are you refering to
[19:53] <ikonia> fair comment
[19:53] <DopeGhoti> bucky: what misbehaviour are you seeing, precisely?  It works normally for me.
[19:54] <domjohnson> The question is "Can anyone help with the errors im getting with gparted"
[19:54] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: what errors?
[19:54] <domjohnson> Sec
[19:55] <domjohnson> I cant remember the exact error messages
[19:55] <domjohnson> so running it again to get them
[19:55] <ikonia> domjohnson: need to get them really to be able to take it forward.
[19:55] <domjohnson> I kno
[19:55] <domjohnson> *know
[19:55] <domjohnson> Got them
[19:55] <domjohnson> just a sec
[19:56] <ikonia> domjohnson: don't forget to use a pastebin if they are long
[19:56] <domjohnson> i know :)
[19:56] <domjohnson> Just pasting it in now :)
[19:56] <ikonia> cool
[19:57] <joaopinto> bucky, an user is allowed to change it's own password by default, a broken or special configuration could prevent that, now, what is you real problem ?
[19:58] <pvandewyngaerde> if i open the volume slider at the top right, my hardware volume up and down buttons on my headset dont work anymore
[19:58] <bucky> joaopinto, sorry... busy right now conjuring up a spell to haunt ikonia with the ghost of lilo...
[19:59] <joaopinto> there is people with too much free time
[19:59] <DopeGhoti> joaopinto: indeed. they're called hobbyist progremmers ;)
[20:00] <domjohnson> ikonia: boondoklife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288042/
[20:00] <ikonia> lets see
[20:01] <imachine> hey
[20:01] <imachine> my volume control has disapeaerd
[20:01] <imachine> what shuld I do?
[20:01] <imachine> i can't control me volume
[20:01] <imachine> vrything else works fine
[20:01] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: am I missing somehting? It reads like it was a successful run
[20:01] <imachine> any ideas?
[20:01] <imachine> can't readd it
[20:02] <domjohnson> My thoughts exactly, but the partitions havent changed size...
[20:02] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: wait, nvm, I can't read apparently :p
[20:02] <imachine> it's not there to be chosen amontst.
[20:02] <imachine> any takers?
[20:02] <imachine> :D
[20:02] <ikonia> domjohnson: I don't actually see any errors in that paste
[20:02] <imachine> also, I have no polish trans ;(
[20:02] <imachine> it's all in nglish now
[20:03] <ikonia> domjohnson: what lines are you looking at as a problem
[20:03] <DopeGhoti> imachine: look at lines 24-46
[20:03] <imachine> any help would'e swell
[20:03] <imachine> :)
[20:03] <imachine> DopeGhoti, ??
[20:03] <DopeGhoti> imachine: of domjohnson's paste
[20:03] <imachine> 24-46?
[20:03] <imachine> huh
[20:03] <JoshuaL> whats the name of the applet in right of the clock?
[20:03] <imachine> ??
[20:03] <imachine> DopeGhoti, linkplease?
[20:03] <JoshuaL> i accidentaly deleted it
[20:04] <JoshuaL> in the gnome-panel
[20:04] <domjohnson> Time?
[20:04] <domjohnson> Shut down?
[20:04] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: ah
[20:04] <Lysi> anyone knows what's wrong with the main server and how long it can take to fix?
[20:04] <domjohnson> DopeGhoti: You know whats wrong?
[20:04] <joaopinto> Lysi, which main server ?
[20:04] <ikonia> domjohnson: it looks more like a warning telling you to do a test with -n -s to test it first
[20:04] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: looks like there's not enough free space on the partition you're trying to shrink to hold the data therein
[20:04] <imachine> DopeGhoti, ok so I looked
[20:04] <imachine> DopeGhoti, and?
[20:04] <slacker_nl> mmm
[20:04] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: see lines 33, and 42
[20:04] <imachine> DopeGhoti, what's happening
[20:05] <imachine> I see there's hd issues or so
[20:05] <imachine> partition
[20:05] <slacker_nl> appears that intel X org shizzle is coming from the kernel
[20:05] <imachine> what's that to do with my problems ;)
[20:05] <slacker_nl> i upgraded xorg and no issues
[20:05] <Lysi> joaopinto: try updating karmic via main server
[20:05] <JoshuaL> domjohnson, the thing what also says your username and where you can set your IM status
[20:05] <imachine> of missing translations
[20:05] <imachine> and so forth
[20:05] <imachine> :)
[20:05] <slacker_nl> Lysi: use a mirror instead
[20:05] <imachine> I want to control volume, is there an app for it?
[20:05] <imachine> and if so, what's the package called?
[20:05] <imachine> :D
[20:05] <slacker_nl> imachine: on kde, kmix
[20:05] <imachine> can somebody tell me?
[20:05] <slacker_nl> on gnome, dunno
[20:05] <imachine> slacker_nl, no, on gnome
[20:05] <imachine> ehh
[20:05] <imachine> :p
[20:05] <imachine> kde? ubuntu is gnome innit
[20:06] <imachine> can't use kde here right
[20:06] <imachine> it's shite
[20:06] <imachine> right?
[20:06] <imachine> :D
[20:06] <slacker_nl> pff
[20:06] <imachine> never tried ubuntu kde
[20:06] <domjohnson> heh
[20:06] <slacker_nl> /whatever
[20:06] <joaopinto> !enter | imachine
[20:06] <imachine> had on arch + 3.4
[20:06] <Lysi> slacker_nl: you mean trying another server?
[20:06] <imachine> 3.5
[20:06] <domjohnson> Hmm....So i need to make a smaller Hmm....So i need to make a smaller partition change?
[20:06] <imachine> heheheh joaopinto okk soz.
[20:06] <slacker_nl> Lysi: yes
[20:06] <boondoklife> domjohnson: after doing that, it doesnt show you as the size you waned
[20:06] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: that, or free up space on that partition
[20:06] <boondoklife> domjohnson: *wanted?
[20:06] <imachine> slacker_nl, no, is it 4.x ?
[20:06] <imachine> does it run ok?
[20:06] <imachine> slacker_nl, an you ell me more about it
[20:06] <slacker_nl> imachine: 4.3.1 runs really nice
[20:06] <domjohnson> huh?
[20:06] <imachine> i'd like to hear
[20:06] <imachine> kk
[20:06] <imachine> nice
[20:06] <Lysi> slacker_nl: thanks I'll try
[20:07] <slacker_nl> imachine: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop and see for yourself
[20:07] <imachine> slacker_nl, I don't want to mess my system up. I don't want dual menus.
[20:07] <slacker_nl> imachine: some screenshots can be found at http://opperschaap.net/ubuntu/karmic
[20:07] <imachine> is it possible to loose the duality of those menus, after deinstalling?
[20:07] <domjohnson> One advantage of KDE = Kdenlive
[20:07] <DopeGhoti> imachine: you'll only un one at a time (of GNOME and KDE)
[20:07] <slacker_nl> imachine: very default desktop, only changed the wallpaper
[20:07] <imachine> like purging the whole kubuntu-destkop
[20:07] <domjohnson> Even though it still runs under gnome...
[20:07] <imachine> ? :)
[20:07] <domjohnson> I use gnome
[20:07] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: what is Kdenlive?
[20:07] <domjohnson> Dont like KDE
[20:07] <domjohnson> Kdenlive is a video editing application
[20:08] <domjohnson> That is pretty good
[20:08] <dfgas> is there a flash64bit yet? or better to go with a 32bit firefox?
[20:08] <domjohnson> Compared to other linux video editors
[20:08] <DopeGhoti> interesting
[20:08] <imachine> ttp://opperschaap.net/ubuntu/karmic's a dad link
[20:08] <imachine> dead*
[20:08] <slacker_nl> crap
[20:08] <imachine> also, qt4 runs great with gtk2
[20:08] <imachine> so..
[20:08] <imachine> nopproblem
[20:08] <slacker_nl> imachine: some screenshots can be found at http://opperschaap.net/~wesleys/ubuntu/karmic
[20:08] <DopeGhoti> !enter | imachine
[20:08] <imachine> t can run great with gnome ubuntu
[20:08] <imachine> that application you mentioned :)
[20:08] <joshjtl> hi folks, does anyone know how to install latest moblin on ubuntu?
[20:08] <Pici> imachine: please stop pressing enter every 4 words.
[20:08] <imachine> Pici, yeah man ok chill soz
[20:09] <imachine> I'm not used to 'calm and ordered' irc ;p
[20:09] <imachine> :-) sorry
[20:09] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: are you trying a new repartition size now (out of curiosity)
[20:09] <domjohnson> Yep
[20:09] <domjohnson> Changing it to 4.8GB
[20:10] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: keep me posted; I hope it works properly this time :)
[20:11] <domjohnson> cross fingers!
[20:11] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, the indicator-session applet?  the one with your name and the shutdown/reboot/etc controls?  or did you lose a different one?
[20:11] <JoshuaL> anyone else having the issue that when you turn of the sound scheme it still plays the login ready file?
[20:11] <JoshuaL> NoelJB, yes that one
[20:12] <JoshuaL> no thats not the one
[20:12] <domjohnson> Still get the error
[20:12] <domjohnson> im gonna try 1MB
[20:12] <JoshuaL> well, its not the thing with the envelope, but the one with shutdown/reboot my name etc..
[20:12] <kane77> what is the proper way to change timezone? because I can't change it in karmic :/
[20:12] <JoshuaL> but indicator-session isnt the one NoelJB
[20:12] <NoelJB> domjohnson, kdenlive is very nice, yes, but you can still use it with gnome  :-)
[20:13] <domjohnson> I know, NoelJB
[20:13] <NoelJB> dfgas, yes, there is a 64 bit flash. you have to get it direct from adobe
[20:13] <domjohnson> kane77: Click on the time box thingy
[20:13] <dfgas> and it will work for 9.10?
[20:13] <domjohnson> Then go on locations
[20:13] <domjohnson> and click edit
[20:14] <domjohnson> then type in where you live
[20:14] <domjohnson> No
[20:14] <domjohnson> click add
[20:14] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, indicator session applet should be the one.
[20:14] <domjohnson> Then type where you live
[20:14] <domjohnson> The city
[20:14] <JoshuaL> NoelJB, that one only adds the envelop stuff
[20:14] <JoshuaL> :(
[20:14] <domjohnson> And click on the thing in the drop down box
[20:14] <domjohnson> And that adds the timezone and etc
[20:15] <domjohnson> it also gives you the weather
[20:15] <domjohnson> So, for me, the city is Newcastle
[20:15] <domjohnson> and i click on the one "North east, GB"
[20:15] <kane77> domjohnson, thanks that worked..
[20:15] <domjohnson> Your welcome :)
[20:16] <domjohnson> This time next year it will be October
[20:16] <domjohnson> And it will be thursdday
[20:16] <kane77> domjohnson, I was trying System->Administration->Time and date, but setting it there had no effect whatsoever.. This might me confusing for some people
[20:18] <sako> hey all, I have a problem with the eclipse package
[20:18] <sako> it tells me this installation is not setup for software updates
[20:19] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, I just added a second one here.  *NOT* Indicator Applet.  The next one: Indicator Applet Session.  If you are seeing envelopes, you added the wrong one.
[20:20] <JoshuaL> NoelJB, Indicator Applet Session does not appear in my add to panel dialog :(
[20:22] <Nattgew> are there any preferences for gnome-shell?
[20:22] <sako> anyone get eclipse on 9.10? Are you able to download plugins?
[20:24] <sako> actually.. what is the best way to remove eclipse from ubuntu karmic? I should just get it from eclipse.org
[20:24] <sako> apt-get remove eclipse?
[20:24] <sako> how can i hit all the dependencies and config files too?
[20:24] <JoshuaL> add --purge
[20:24] <JoshuaL> iirc
[20:25] <JoshuaL> and sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:25] <JoshuaL> removes unused dependencies iirc
[20:26] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, dpkg -l | grep indicator-applet-session ... do you see it?
[20:26] <NoelJB> Nattgew, yes.  the preference is not to use it.  :-p
[20:26] <JoshuaL> NoelJB, no
[20:27] <sako> I am running 9.10 beta, is there some place I can check if updates are broken before upgrading?
[20:27] <domjohnson> 2MB worked
[20:27] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, you are on ubuntu or kubuntu?  just checking.
[20:27] <sako> I have a bunch of updates available on my system
[20:27] <JoshuaL> ubuntu
[20:27] <JoshuaL> but
[20:27] <JoshuaL> when i do apt-get install indicator-applet-session
[20:27] <Nattgew> NoelJB: I see, the options are "on" and "off"...
[20:27] <JoshuaL> it asks me to insall it
[20:27] <JoshuaL> so ill try that
[20:28] <JoshuaL> it shows a empathy package too
[20:28] <JoshuaL> and i removed empathy
[20:28] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, yes, install it.  you may (will) also have to restart your session, but afterwards, you should be able to put it back.
[20:28] <JoshuaL> so that might be my problem
[20:28] <NoelJB> yeah, empathy is kind of integrated now.  :-\
[20:29] <NoelJB> Nattgew, you had to install it by hand.  it isn't stock with Karmic.
[20:29] <NoelJB> Nattgew, and it doesn't (and apparently never will) play with compiz.
[20:29] <JoshuaL> brb logging out
[20:29] <domjohnson> Kubuntu is EVIL
[20:29] <domjohnson> What is so great about Xubuntu?
[20:29] <Nattgew> NoelJB: yeah, I did, and I noticed... that's why I wanted to know if there were any preferences
[20:29] <domjohnson> Thats XFCE, isnt it?
[20:30] <slacker_nl> domjohnson: great, i'm the devil, so that's why I use KDE
[20:30] <domjohnson> lol
[20:31] <JoshuaL> NoelJB, reinstalling did the trick thanks
[20:31] <domjohnson> What are the different 'buntus again?
[20:31] <NoelJB> JoshuaL, welcome :-)
[20:32] <domjohnson> Theres easy peasy, Ubuntu Studio, Xubuntu, Kubuntu
[20:32] <domjohnson> Ubuntu
[20:32] <Pici> !flavors
[20:32] <domjohnson> What else?
[20:32] <NoelJB> http://ubuntuindex.com/website/ubuntu-flavors/
[20:32] <domjohnson> Ah yes
[20:32] <domjohnson> MythBuntu
[20:32] <domjohnson> Whats that?
[20:32] <Pici> domjohnson: The ones that ubottu listed are the only official ones.
[20:32] <domjohnson> I know
[20:32] <domjohnson> theres things like crunchbang as well
[20:33] <Pici> But those are unofficial and we do not support them here.
[20:33] <domjohnson> ok
[20:34] <domjohnson> wowww 340 people
[20:34] <domjohnson> wowsa
[20:34] <domjohnson> lol
[20:36] <sur> hello all, gnumeric segfaults when I try to print a document
[20:40] <domjohnson> Sur: looks like everyones away atm...I would help you if i could, but i have no idea what segfaults means!
[20:40] <domjohnson> lol
[20:42] <DopeGhoti> tl;dr: a segfault is a program crashing because of a programming error
[20:42] <jbicha> !bug | sur
[20:43] <jbicha> also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind
[20:45] <sur> :)
[20:45] <domjohnson> Are all the people that make ubuntu devlopers 'employed' by canonical or do people just submit patches and etc over the internet like is the case with the kernel?
[20:47] <sur> domjohnson, I think gnumeric wants to reach somewhere in memory that it should not
[20:47] <__mikem> Does anyone know if the next version of ubuntu is finally getting a new default theme?
[20:47] <sur> __mikem, what's wrong with this one?
[20:47] <__mikem> its several years old
[20:48] <sur> __mikem, I do not think it will. I do not like brown personally
[20:49] <__mikem> Great, so basically the artwork team STILL hasn't figured out the importance of marketability :(
[20:54] <jiffe> what are the "cloud computing cluster" and "cloud computing node" options in 9.10 ?
[21:00] <meatbun> what will be new to 9.10? upgrading from 904?
[21:02] <jbicha> meatbun: try http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta
[21:02] <kklimonda> meatbun: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/beta, scroll down
[21:03] <meatbun> thx
[21:04] <mac_v> domjohnson: not all are canonical employees... why the doubt ?
[21:04] <vinvin> hi, I am using kubuntu karmic and have a problem with sound, level is very low and I wan only hear bass sounds
[21:09] <JazzplayerL9> random question...this is my first time messing with pulseaudio...used to setting a default sound level with sudo alsactl store...but that doesn't seem to work to keep my sound levels right and I have to go back into alsamixer to change them again.  How do I set a default sound level?
[21:20] <Pelo> what's the current version, are we in RC yet ?
[21:22] <guntbert> Pelo: look at the topic :-)
[21:22] <Pelo> :-(
[21:24] <dfgas> NoelJB, wow that took a bit of digging, but I found it. heh. thank you again
[21:24] <j0nr> evening
[21:25] <j0nr> ok, i have a problem, that i do not believe is karmic specific, but seeing as i am on karmic i should ask in here...
[21:25] <IndyGunFreak> shoot..
[21:25] <IndyGunFreak> man, the intel graphics are still an issue i seee
[21:25] <IndyGunFreak> not that i care, i d on't do DE
[21:26] <j0nr> i have a completely fresh install, everything seems to work except the network is a bit funny.... update manaer never finishes downloading the cache. and more bizarrely, in FF i can go to google, perform a search but go no further than that
[21:26] <j0nr> google keeps working as in it returns search results but i cannot go to any other sites
[21:27] <domjohnson> mac_v: just wondering
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, that is weird
[21:27] <IndyGunFreak> wireless or wired?
[21:28] <j0nr> IndyGunFreak: wired
[21:28] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[21:28] <domjohnson> Can you type in addresses of websites?
[21:29] <domjohnson> And go to them?
[21:30] <mauri> im looking for a tool like partition manager that is able to manage ntfs partition (resize)
[21:30] <j0nr> domjohnson: i can type them but they never seem to get there
[21:30] <commander_> i need help guys...i have no sound
[21:30] <j0nr> just constantly 'connecting...'
[21:32] <ripps> j0nr: that sounds like your unable to connect to your isp's dns servers... how do connect to the internet and do you use a router?
[21:33] <jbwiv> hello all. So I just ran an upgrade via apt-get to upgrade to Koala, but on boot I get a grub error: "Error 15: not found". I'm betting this is because I use LVM + Software Raid (although upgrade has worked in the past). Any ideas what I can do or do I simply have to download the alternative cd and install manually?
[21:34] <domjohnson> mauri: partition manager does that
[21:34] <j0nr> ripps: I am able to use other machines on the same network... behind a router.
[21:34] <mauri> domjohnson: no, it seems not able to manage ntfs partitio...only ext
[21:34] <ghendar> "Error 15: not found" sheesh, that's about as helpful an error as "Keyboard Error: No Keyboard Found. Press F1 to continue..."
[21:35] <domjohnson> mauri: im using it right now to make an ntfs partition smaller
[21:35] <domjohnson> you cant make them bigger
[21:35] <ripps> j0nr: do you have nm-applet connect automatically, or do you have customized profile?
[21:35] <domjohnson> with anything
[21:35] <domjohnson> because there is no physical space there
[21:35] <domjohnson> you have to make one partition smaller to make another bigger
[21:35] <j0nr> ripps: this is a competely fresh install, so nm is auto connecting
[21:35] <ripps> hmmm... dchp should be connecting to the dns for you, I don't know why it's not working...
[21:36] <jbwiv> ghendar: yeah, I agree
[21:36] <mauri> domjohnson: which version do you use
[21:36] <jbwiv> I presume it's trying to find the root partition
[21:36] <domjohnson> umm...the one that comes with the 9.04 live cd
[21:36] <ripps> j0nr: can you access your router's config page?
[21:36] <jbwiv> seems like I've seen this at some point in the past when the initrd didn't include software raid/lvm support
[21:36] <mauri> domjohnson: mine is 1.0.0
[21:36] <jbwiv> which sucks...because you'd think the upgrade would recognize that I was using both
[21:37] <domjohnson> this one is 0.4.3
[21:37] <domjohnson> So yours should be able to
[21:37] <ghendar> jbwiv, dist-upgrades are like inviting a bull into a china room... you have a backup right?
[21:38] <jbwiv> ghendar: yep, sure do
[21:39] <j0nr> ripps: yeah
[21:39] <domjohnson> mauri: what are you trying to do?
[21:39] <mauri> domjohnson: simply resize a ntfs partition
[21:39] <domjohnson> Make it bigger or smaller, though?
[21:40] <domjohnson> And does it throw an error message when you try, or can you just not do it?
[21:40] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: I'm back after an hour AFK- how did the repartition go?
[21:40] <domjohnson> You mean the 2MB one? it worked
[21:40] <DopeGhoti> domjohnson: excellent! :)
[21:40] <domjohnson> just resized my #! partition
[21:40] <mauri> domjohnson: in my case smaller, but it the same.... the option is not available for ntfs partitions
[21:40] <ghendar> jbwiv, it doesn't take long to install from scratch, so I usually do a fresh install rather than wasting time with the fallout that inevitably occurs when dist-upgrading
[21:40] <domjohnson> And im putting my Docs and settings from windows onto there
[21:40] <domjohnson> And then...you get the point
[21:41] <ripps> j0nr: I don't know the specifics, but you can try creating a custom profile in NetworkManager to connect to your router and then specify the dns manually in the profile, you can probably find out your isp's dns servers in your router's status page
[21:41] <domjohnson> My docs and settings is about 15GB
[21:41] <domjohnson> Right, so your in partition manager
[21:41] <domjohnson> and you click on the NTFS partition you want
[21:41] <jbwiv> ghendar: yes, lesson learned. Download the alternate cd now. I have my disks reasonably partitioned so the install shouldn't take long. Thanks for your advice
[21:41] <domjohnson> but you cant press resize?
[21:41] <domjohnson> It might be mounted
[21:41] <domjohnson> so you need to go into file manager>unmount
[21:41] <mauri> domjohnson: no, it is not mounted
[21:42] <ghendar> jbwiv, you welcome
[21:42] <domjohnson> hmm..Are you on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[21:42] <mauri> domjohnson: mount and unmot option are disable in partition manager
[21:42] <mauri> domjohnson: kubuntu
[21:42] <domjohnson> Ok
[21:42] <domjohnson> Well im on normal Ubuntu
[21:42] <domjohnson> So install GParted
[21:42] <domjohnson> It might work...
[21:42] <domjohnson> just possibly...
[21:43] <mauri> domjohnson: thanks but i've already tried it
[21:43] <domjohnson> oh.
[21:43] <domjohnson> Umm...Your welcome?
[21:43] <domjohnson> lol
[21:43] <domjohnson> im out of ideas...
[21:43] <domjohnson> hmm....
[21:43] <domjohnson> Can you do a screenshot and upload it to tinypic or something like that?
[21:44] <domjohnson> Just of what it looks like when you select the NTFS partition
[21:44] <domjohnson> Or whereever is the latest stage you can get to
[21:44] <oldude67> am using ubuntu's startup program for my flash drive to redo the system, does it work well or should i just down load the disk and burn one?
[21:45] <domjohnson> never tried it
[21:45] <domjohnson> but a lot of people do that, oldude67
[21:46] <oldude67> ya i have heard people talking about it, so i figured i would give it a try.
[21:46] <oldude67> ok well be back in a bit going to give it a go...
[21:50] <fluvvell> I've put karmic into a laptop, just did updates and the new kernel- broadcom wireless died, whats the quickest way to fix it? Remove and replace restricted drivers?
[21:50] <domjohnson> You should be able to boot from the old kernel on your grub menu
[21:50] <domjohnson> But aside from that, i dont know
[21:50] <fluvvell> true,
[21:51] <ghendar> fluvvell, for broadcom I usually connect via a wire and then use the proprietery hardware tool to remove then add the wireless back
[21:51] <fluvvell> that was my most recent thought too. thanks.
[21:52] <fluvvell> Should the new kernel trigger a rebuild or something?
[21:52] <fluvvell> Is that a "bug" ?
[21:53] <ghendar> fluvvell, generally it would, but if it needs to download stuff to do that and you are only on the wireless it becomes a chicken and egg problem... hence go to the wire
[21:53] <fluvvell> yep, good point.
[21:53]  * ghendar hates broadcom
[21:54] <joshjtl> hey folks anyone know if there is an irc channel for ubuntu moblin remix?
[21:56] <domjohnson> Say bye-bye, crunchbang
[21:56] <domjohnson> (NOOOOOOOO!!!DONT KILL ME! JSUT BECAUSE IM ON YOUR LARGER HARD DRIVE!)
[21:56] <domjohnson> But Crunchbang, thats exactly why
[21:56] <domjohnson> Now go to sleep.
[21:56] <domjohnson> AND NEVER WAKE UP!
[21:56] <domjohnson> (NOOOOOOO!!!!)
[21:57] <domjohnson> anyway...
[21:57] <domjohnson> !enter
[21:57] <domjohnson> :"
[21:57] <domjohnson> :@
[21:57] <domjohnson> By Cmoe
[21:57] <joaopinto> domjohnson, please behave
[21:57] <thiebaude> !offtopic | domjohnson
[21:57] <domjohnson> sorry
[21:57] <domjohnson> :(
[21:57] <NoReflex> Hey guys! I just installed Kubuntu karmic beta and I have a problem with my sound system. I have a Dell Inspiron 1520 notebook and lspci says : Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller. My problem is whenever a sound is generated I can hear a crackling sound for about 1-2 seconds before
[22:01] <falstaff|h> hello, i wrote a upstart job which spans a startx in a loop, i cant access any console now the screen just flashes, any idea? i have no cdrom in that system, so would be fine without rescue cd.. is there a kernel parameter to JUST invoke a shell (no init/upstart...?)
[22:01] <falstaff|h> hmm, init=/bin_/s
[22:01] <joaopinto> init=binary ?
[22:01] <falstaff|h> does this work?
[22:02] <joaopinto> it works for a regular init, not sure about upstart
[22:03] <falstaff|h> omg, this grub2 is.... i dont know.. i liked the old one :-)
[22:04] <falstaff|h> hm, kernel panic :-)
[22:06] <commander_> i need help fo the 3rd time i asked
[22:06] <nsgn> howdy there. so i've read over the 9.10 stuff and am excited  about the release...but i wonder most about the interface/theme.  has it been tweaked or changed much?
[22:07] <sebsebseb> nsgn no not exactly
[22:07] <nsgn> wow, exit is not close window
[22:07] <ghendar> commander_, if you were more specific than "I have no sound" you might be helped sooner
[22:07] <nsgn> got back just in time to see sebsebseb's answer, but nothing before it
[22:08] <sebsebseb> well there's the new GDM (Gnome Display Manager log in screen), which apparantly can't be themed :(
[22:08] <nsgn> cause honestly i'm enjoying 9.04 except for the theme. windows feel too chunky, desktop is not very customizable
[22:08] <sebsebseb> the boot up theme  has changed as well
[22:08] <sebsebseb> Nice theme for the  Ubuntu App Centre,  which has replaced add/remove
[22:09] <nsgn> are those two issues i just mentioned any different, or should i be looking elsewhere to resolve my issues?
[22:09] <commander_> i said tht about 4x already..n yes i have no sound
[22:09] <joaopinto> nsgn, you can always change the theme, the theme capability on what relates to gnome shoudn't have much changes
[22:09] <sebsebseb> nsgn: as for the actsaul Ubuntu theme it's like before
[22:09] <sebsebseb> by the way you had something odd or whatever just now, well I coudn't auto complete your name at first
[22:09] <nsgn> i know, i used quit on accident earlier
[22:10] <nsgn> i'm here though
[22:10] <nsgn> poor wireless issues atm
[22:10] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Ubuntu  Software Centre above  (altough actsaully it's called center :( )
[22:10] <nsgn> what about it?
[22:10] <sebsebseb> looks a lot nicer than add/remove which it has replaced
[22:11] <nsgn> i guess i'm trying to decide if i should go to 9.10 or look for another distro
[22:11] <ghendar> !polite | commander_
[22:11] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Ext4 by default :)  not for Ext3  9.04 upgrades though
[22:11] <BUGabundo> boas
[22:11] <commander_> i've been polite and patient ghendar
[22:11] <BUGabundo> oh look its sebsebseb.
[22:11] <joaopinto> nsgn, picking a distro based on the default theme is a bit odd, anyway, probably you want to ask on #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:11] <BUGabundo> long time no se
[22:12] <BUGabundo> e
[22:12] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: I don't know who you are
[22:12] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:12] <AlanBell> commander_: tell us what you have done so far
[22:12] <nsgn> joaopinto: i guess i've found changing themes in ubuntu to be difficult. am i missing some easy way to do it? i enjoy the feature set but really am tired of the chunky default theme
[22:12] <sebsebseb> nsgn: as for other distros, if you want newer stuff first,   Fedora :)   unfortunatly Fedora 11 didn't  like my partition set up, so I coudn't install
[22:12] <AlanBell> commander_: what is your sound card, did it work in Jaunty?
[22:13] <AlanBell> commander_: does it fail from a liveCD?
[22:13] <sebsebseb> nsgn: well in a virtual machine I could install of course
[22:13] <joaopinto> nsgn, I assume you are talking about gnome themes, the process to change gnome themes is the same for any distro, you just need to read the how-to
[22:13] <commander_> yes.the last time i think it had something to do with the modem
[22:14] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: re fedora 11: extended partitions?
[22:14] <nsgn> is it a gnome issue that the desktop is so horribly uncustomizable? i want to make text go beside the icons, make the icons tiny, etc
[22:14] <nsgn> i think i was spoiled having OSX on my last laptop :)
[22:14] <commander_> no just only when i upgraded to 9.10
[22:14] <slacker_nl> nsgn: could be ;)
[22:14] <nsgn> apple's theming and desktop were really slick
[22:14] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: I don't know,   I didn't use LVM,  I wanted to remove /   and keep /home and data partitition.   anyway this is off topic for in here
[22:15] <nsgn> main focus for me is efficient use of screen space. that's my reason for wanting to change the themes and desktop settings. i multitask a ton but use a 13inch laptop screen cause i'm always on the go
[22:15] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: and then the installer gives me an error, and says it's probably a bug and to report it
[22:15] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: i had the same issue with fedora 11 because of extended partitions
[22:16] <AlanBell> commander_: so what is the modem and explain what happened last time, was that on Jaunty?
[22:16] <sebsebseb> slacker_nl: well hopefuly it's fixed in Fedora 12
[22:16] <AlanBell> commander_: what computer is it? laptop/desktop/make/model
[22:17] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: i sure hope so
[22:17] <commander_> laptop.
[22:17] <commander_> it was working well on Jaunty
[22:18] <sebsebseb> nsgn: The Ubuntu Software Centre is  probably the most interesting thing in  Karmic to be honest,  except for default Ext4 support of cousre
[22:18] <commander_> HP Pavilion dv6833us
[22:18] <nsgn> sebsebseb: got ya. maybe my hopes for wonderous amazing new computer awesomeness were too high then :)
[22:18] <sebsebseb> nsgn: It will eventaully repalce Synaptic and that by what I read
[22:19] <slacker_nl> sebsebseb: unfortunatly it is not working 100% with kde (software-center)
[22:19] <sebsebseb> KDE 4 as a GUI no thanks,  since  it's to differnet from KDE 3
[22:19] <sebsebseb> a few KDE apps in Gnome though yes
[22:20] <sebsebseb> it seems to have put on most of or all of KDE 4 anyway, even though I only told it to install  a few apps
[22:20] <sebsebseb> it as in Karmic
[22:21] <sebsebseb> (and few apps, as in  KDE apps,  plus I installed other non KDE apps)
[22:21] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Well I guess Canonical  properly care about the Long Term Support releases,  and then the other releases that aern't non  LTS,  are about  new features, and trying things
[22:21] <joaopinto> sebsebseb, that is not a softwara center problem, that is how the dependencies are set now, installing from synaptic will have the same result
[22:22] <sebsebseb> joaopinto: I didn't install from the software centre
[22:22] <sebsebseb> apt-get commands :)
[22:22] <nsgn> so i guess my final question is...is it worth a 9.04 user installing?
[22:22] <joaopinto> ah ok, you were talking about software center not correctly handling kde apps install
[22:23] <joaopinto> nsgn, it's beta, if you are not planning to test and report problems, no
[22:23] <sebsebseb> joaopinto: well  yes something seems to have not done it properly this time round, since what I said
[22:23] <sebsebseb> I didn't want most/all of KDE installed, just some of the apps  in Gnome :)
[22:23] <nsgn> joaopinto: i don't mind testing and reporting as i use. i'm on a notebook i had to do some help to get properly supported on 9.04 in the first place
[22:24] <sebsebseb> well  at least it  let me try  logging into another session using the new GDM, but I didn't need to do that
[22:24] <joaopinto> nsgn, so yes, give it a try
[22:24] <nsgn> i'm just generally wondering if 9.10 is anything worth the bother. i guess i expected more changes
[22:24] <sebsebseb> nsgn: indeed at what you put
[22:24] <sebsebseb> nsgn: I am still thinking about if I am going to upgrade the other computer that runs 9.04 with Ext4,  to 9.10 or not
[22:24] <joaopinto> nsgn, IMHO there aren't much changes from an user interface perspective
[22:24] <nsgn> but perhaps my issues are with gnome. i feel it is pretty behind compared to macosx or even windows 7
[22:25] <joaopinto> nsgn, have you filed bug reports about those issues ?
[22:25] <sebsebseb> nsgn: to be honest Ubuntu is behind  with default eye candy big time, when comparing to many other distros, and even Windows and Mac OS X
[22:25] <sebsebseb> they don't even have a theme for Grub
[22:25] <nsgn> i'm pretty tempted some days to just go back to osx...but i left over issues with apple not being open. i want so bad to stay with open software
[22:25] <sebsebseb> most/all other distros that I have tried have a default theme for Grub
[22:25] <joaopinto> nsgn, and please stop comparing projects which are not comparable from a develpment resources perspective
[22:26] <sebsebseb> joaopinto: Do you program?
[22:26] <nsgn> joaopinto: i'm not speaking anything against the devs of ubuntu, but more expressing my personal experience. the whole reason i dumped osx for linux/ubuntu is because i really really believe in what the guys behind this project are doing
[22:26] <joaopinto> sebsebseb, I don't do active development these days, except for python, but yes, I have development skills
[22:26] <nsgn> so no disrespect here
[22:27] <nsgn> but on the other hand i switched cold turkey and am still getting a grip on the whole linux world
[22:27] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Have you tried Karmic yet?
[22:28] <joaopinto> sebsebseb, he is asking it he should try, so, no, he didn't
[22:28] <joaopinto> if
[22:28] <igormorgado> heya! the 9.10 installer is insane, he is trying to repartition my disk without ask me! how can  I choose what I want?
[22:28] <nsgn> sebsebseb: nope
[22:28] <sebsebseb> nsgn: ok this is what I suggest
[22:28] <commander_> Sorry Alan had to log out...is there a way to resolve this sound i don't have on Karmic
[22:28] <sebsebseb> nsgn: don't  put it on pshyically yet, unless your an actsaul tester  that will report bugs, or developer
[22:28] <joaopinto> igormorgado, uh, without ask you ? there is a screen where you must set the partition method
[22:28] <sebsebseb> nsgn: you can however burn a Live CD and try, or with enough RAM try in a virtual machine :)
[22:28] <joaopinto> igormorgado, the default is to use the entire disk
[22:28] <igormorgado> joaopinto: this screen isnt being showed to me
[22:29] <joaopinto> igormorgado, are you using a desktop cd ?
[22:29] <nsgn> sebsebseb: i've got the ram to VM it. i guess i'll play with that. thanks. i was mainly wondering the improvements. you've given me an idea now
[22:29] <igormorgado> joaopinto: as I can see in processes tree. It start to run resize my ntfs
[22:29] <dash> I'm having the most interesting problem
[22:29] <igormorgado> joaopinto: yes. desktop cd
[22:29] <dash> whenever a key is depressed on my usb keyboard, my usb mouse doesn't move the pointer
[22:29] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Virtualbox :)
[22:29] <igormorgado> ntfsresize -f -i /dev/sdb1
[22:30] <dash> this makes playing quake /super/ hard.
[22:30] <xamox> how do I get wifi working in karmac?
[22:30] <igormorgado> xamox: my wifi is working, thank you =D
[22:30] <igormorgado> xamox: is a rtl8187
[22:30] <dash> Anybody else seen this?
[22:30] <sebsebseb> nsgn: np and vm's are pretty cool really :)
[22:30] <xamox> igormorgado, mine is not. I enabled the broadcom driver but a no go.
[22:31] <nsgn> sebsebseb: actually already have VMware Workstation all configured. i use it extensively
[22:31] <igormorgado> xamox: i havent a broadcom cant help =D
[22:31] <sebsebseb> nsgn: oh right I see, well Virtaulbox can even run vmdk files
[22:31] <igormorgado> joaopinto: any idea?
[22:31] <wirechief_> anyone having issues with karmic netbook-remix : https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix-launcher/+bug/445817
[22:31] <nsgn> sebsebseb: so i've heard. i've not tried virtualbox for much yet. bought workstation because of the graphics acceleration support and cross compatibility with my vmware servers
[22:32] <sebsebseb> nsgn: I assume you paid for Workstation or got it free legally, if not you shoudn't really be running it
[22:32] <joaopinto> igormorgado, whe did that ntfsresize command came from ?
[22:32] <nsgn> sebsebseb: "bought"
[22:32] <nsgn> that would imply i paid for it, yes
[22:32] <sebsebseb> nsgn: ok
[22:32] <nsgn> i support software i like
[22:32] <nsgn> vmware makes solid stuff
[22:33] <dash> seems to happen no matter what mouse I use.
[22:33] <sebsebseb> nsgn: ideally we should be running  as much opensource/freesoftware as possible really :)  ,but there is some good closed source software out there as well
[22:33] <igormorgado> joaopinto: from ps tree. I will not paste all tree here. But after the keyboard screen, it start to READING DISKS, and stay there... checking in ps axwwwf  I could notice that /lib/partman/display.d/10initial_auto is calling /lib/partman/automatically_partition/10resize_use_free/choices
[22:34] <igormorgado> and this is calling ntfsresize -f -i /dev/sdb1
[22:34] <AlanBell> commander_: you can use lspci to find out exactly what your soundcard is
[22:34] <nsgn> sebsebseb: yup. i really loved what apple was doing, but couldnt take some of the closed decisions they were making. the leap to ubuntu was quite a leap, but it has been highly educational to me
[22:34] <AlanBell> commander_: and then search launchpad/google for any bugs raised against it
[22:35] <joaopinto> igormorgado, well, no idea, it would be a critical bug if you really didn't selected next on the part manager section by mistake
[22:35] <AlanBell> commander_: failing that you can file a bug, with all the information you have now got
[22:35] <sebsebseb> 1love > nsgn
[22:35] <sebsebseb> !love > nsgn
[22:36] <igormorgado> joaopinto: indeed it is.. I have a uncommon partition here, and plenty disks
[22:36] <joaopinto> igormorgado, just don't abort the ntfsresize and you should be safe
[22:36] <dupondje> somebody knows how to create pdf from .chm file? Tries chm2pdf, but it segfaults :(
[22:36] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Wikipedia have a rather good vender lock in page, where yep Apple and Microsoft, but other technology companies get mentioned as well
[22:36] <joaopinto> dupondje, if it segfaults file a bug report about it
[22:37] <igormorgado> joaopinto: i have 2 1.5tb disks, I dont want partiotiner to mess with my data disk
[22:37] <joaopinto> can't you just print the chm  ?
[22:37] <joaopinto> igormorgado, I hope is not important data without backups, you are installing beta :)
[22:37] <dupondje> joaopinto: will do, but bugreport is 75mb ! not cool with a 0,4mbit upload speed ;)
[22:37] <blueglasses> whats the best remote to use with moovida?
[22:38] <igormorgado> joaopinto: all data is still there.. =D isnt IMPORTANT, but is my data =D
[22:38] <joaopinto> igormorgado, please file a bug report
[22:38] <sebsebseb> nsgn: Anyway now this is a pretty good and interesting page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter  I suggest reading the Rationale they have have some interesting points there
[22:38] <igormorgado> joaopinto: doing right now! =D
[22:39] <blueglasses> joaopinto és português?
[22:39] <joaopinto> igormorgado, I believe the package for the installer is ubiquity
[22:39] <joaopinto> !pt | blueglasses
[22:39] <sebsebseb> !pr |  blueglasses
[22:39] <joaopinto> and yes, I am
[22:39] <nsgn> gotta run now. thanks
[22:42] <fluvvel> quit
[22:46] <blueyed> any hints about bug 333563?
[22:46] <blueyed> sry, bug 444563
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you in here
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: need a bit of help to make mic work
[22:52] <joaopinto> anyone using skype on karmic ?
[22:52] <FloridaGuy> ubuntu 9.10....for some reason i cant install any 3rd party deb packages...like opera...my printer drivers...tryed uninstalling and reinstalling gdebi..but still nothing
[22:52] <BUGabundo> !skype
[22:52] <joaopinto> FloridaGuy, pastebin the error that you get ?
[22:53] <Volkodav> I have skype working fine
[22:53] <FloridaGuy> joaopinto, i just click on the deb file and get nothing...
[22:53] <Volkodav> and opera and drivers
[22:54] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: how did you chose input?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> FloridaGuy: try $ sudo dkpg -i PACKAGENAME.deb
[22:54] <Volkodav> input ?
[22:54] <joaopinto> FloridaGuy, open a terminal and run: sudo gdebi package.deb
[22:54] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, gdebi is safer if there is  a problem
[22:55] <FloridaGuy> should the package be on desktop or home folder
[22:55] <joaopinto> it doesn't matter, as long you "cd" to the correct dir
[22:56] <zniavre> gdebi is bugged atm
[22:57] <FloridaGuy> joaopinto, Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/bin/gdebi", line 29, in <module>    import apt ImportError: No module named apt
[22:57] <joaopinto> FloridaGuy, uh, your system is seriously broken
[22:57] <joaopinto> FloridaGuy, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:57] <safruhani> hi, will it be possible to upgrade from beta version to stable version of karmic koala?
[22:58] <joaopinto> safruhani, if you are doing updates regularly, you will be using the stable once it's released
[22:58] <madberry> safruhani: October 29th
[22:59] <safruhani> thank you so much our friends
[22:59] <FloridaGuy> joaopinto, if so..its a beta fault...lol
[23:00] <joaopinto> FloridaGuy, I am not aware of any gdebi/python-apt beta problem
[23:00] <safruhani> good bye to everybody
[23:00] <safruhani> haa
[23:00] <safruhani> i have a question too
[23:00] <safruhani> what about the mono support of this version
[23:00] <safruhani> does it increase
[23:01] <safruhani> applications which are using mono
[23:01] <safruhani> like tomboy
[23:01] <ripps> !beta
[23:01] <igormorgado> safruhani: no.. gnote is the replacement
[23:01] <safruhani> vov!
[23:01] <safruhani> igormorgado: ubuntu doesn't use mono by default =?
[23:01] <igormorgado> no replacement to tangerine AFAIK.
[23:01] <igormorgado> safruhani: no.
[23:02] <safruhani> igormorgado: increasing or decreasing?
[23:02] <igormorgado> safruhani: this makes no sense
[23:02] <igormorgado> safruhani: decreasing
[23:02] <igormorgado> safruhani: someone has spreaded this hoax.
[23:02] <safruhani> very good situation
[23:03] <safruhani> igormorgado: i don't understand what do you want to say at last
[23:03] <KnifeySpooney> Whenever I boot karmic, bootchart makes invalid images
[23:03] <safruhani> igormorgado: what about the rhythmbox
[23:03] <joaopinto> igormorgado, uh ? tomboy is the default
[23:03] <safruhani> hımzzz
[23:04] <KnifeySpooney> Does bootchart work for anyone else in karmic?
[23:04] <joaopinto> safruhani, there is a clear statement about ubuntu and mono, there is nothing blocking mono from being adopted from an ubuntu perspective
[23:04] <KnifeySpooney> I'm thinking it has stopped working due to karmic's boot changes, but i'm not sure
[23:04] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: how invalid? .png fails to get generated? Broken?
[23:05] <safruhani> joaopinto: what about banshee?
[23:05] <safruhani> joaopinto: is it default on 9.10 ?_
[23:05] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: They are generated but image loading fails in image-viewer and firefox.
[23:05] <joaopinto> safruhani, what is the use of all those questions ? can I provide you some usefull info ?
[23:05] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: my last image from 3 hours ago is ok, lemme check if there was an BC update
[23:06] <safruhani> joaopinto: yes please
[23:06] <joaopinto> safruhani, the default is rhytmbox
[23:06] <safruhani> ok thanks
[23:07] <igormorgado> safruhani: but mono is still there, anyone can use and devel on it. I would not dare! =D
[23:08] <safruhani> thanks and good bye
[23:09] <KnifeySpooney> yofel: i have to go, might be back later. Thanks for the help
[23:09] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: did it only fail once or did you try to reboot again? (can you upload the image somewhere? (imagebin.ca))
[23:10] <yofel> missed him -.-
[23:15] <gajop> is it me or has sound stopped working now?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> gajop: it usualy does
[23:16] <gajop> BUGabundo, some update happened and i'm not getting any sound at all
[23:17] <gajop> and at least i think i've got everything unmuted
[23:17] <BUGabundo> gajop: kill PA
[23:17] <BUGabundo> killall pulseaudio
[23:17] <BUGabundo> and it will restart on it self
[23:17] <gajop> yep
[23:18] <gajop> thanks, bb
[23:18] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, hey
[23:19] <BUGabundo> hey thiebaude
[23:19] <BUGabundo> misssed you too :D
[23:21] <thiebaude> BUGabundo, yea, haven't been around testing until 9.10
[23:21] <BUGabundo> you and me :(
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Need to get 299MB of archives. After unpacking 537MB will be freed.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> this a joke, right?
[23:22] <thiebaude> haha
[23:22] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, isn't that the grub bug fix ?
[23:23] <thiebaude> i better check my updates
[23:23] <joaopinto> what's wrong with that message, one of the packages just replaces an existing much bigger package
[23:23] <joaopinto> After unpacking and replacing...
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> my console is all messed up
[23:24] <BUGabundo> can't scroll ok
[23:24] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:24] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/288160/
[23:25] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: ^^^^^
[23:25] <mika_video> at least with KUbuntu 7.10 apparmor module confilcts with driver for Canon LBP-660 laser printer. Has this bug been fixed ? If not, is there an easy way to blacklist apparmor so it will never be loaded ?
[23:27] <BUGabundo>  bug 444703
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, you can just remove apparmor or disable the profile in question
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, have you reported the bug ?
[23:28] <mika_video> I have no idea how to report a bug
[23:28] <joaopinto> mika_video, launchpad.net
[23:28] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: wrong
[23:28] <BUGabundo> LP is a Project manager :)
[23:29] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, which allows to report bugs
[23:29] <BUGabundo> mika_video: you should use ubuntu-bug
[23:29] <joaopinto> LP is a framework, it provides a bug tracker
[23:31] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, like I said, it's the grub bug fix that will free that space
[23:31] <tzanger> good evening
[23:31] <tzanger> great work on 9.10, the upgrade from 9.04 was seamless
[23:31] <tzanger> there are a couple of things I'd like to report, wondering whre the appropriate place to reporti s
[23:32] <joaopinto> tzanger, ubuntu-bug package
[23:32] <joaopinto> assuming you are refering to bugs
[23:32] <tzanger> joaopinto: yep
[23:32] <mika_video> I found this: "Note: If you use Kubuntu, please see the Kubuntu variant of this page here." .... but now: is KUbuntu developed tarallel and in the same time as Ubuntu? or does KUbuntu's final version's preparing only start after the new Ubuntu version is out?
[23:33] <mika_video> just found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> !bug
[23:40] <commander__> AlanBell r uthere?
[23:40] <commander__> i need help with my sound
[23:45] <commander__> HELP
[23:53] <commander__> i have no sound
[23:53] <BUGabundo> commander__: rebooted?
[23:53] <sako> hey guys, if i get 9.10 beta is it still suggested to reinstall when 9.10 is released?
[23:53] <BUGabundo> sako: NO
[23:54] <BUGabundo> where do your ppl get that idea??
[23:54] <sako> also I see a lot of packages that say held back?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> you just update as often as you wish
[23:54] <BUGabundo> and you get  what ever is in the archive at that given moment
[23:54] <sako> what do held back packages mean? it's not updating those packages?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> sako: sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:55] <sako> i see
[23:55] <sako> thanks BUGabundo
[23:56] <BUGabundo> np
[23:56] <sako> btw what is the difference between safe-upgrade?
[23:56] <sako> and full-upgrade?
[23:56] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[23:56] <peterson> hello; I'm testing out 9.10 and in order to upgrade apt-get asks me if I want to remove libgd2-noxpm and replace it with libgd2-xpm (partial upgrade thing). Does anyone know if it's safe to do it? I mean, they're both libgd2...
[23:57] <BUGabundo> sako: full upgrade jumps dependcy
[23:57] <BUGabundo> peterson: same thing I said to sako
[23:57] <BUGabundo> peterson: : sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:57] <peterson> humm ok I only got the last part. thank you =)
[23:58] <sako> whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[23:58] <test34> why wouldn't it do a safe-upgrade as a default option ?
[23:59] <Pici> aptitude handles manually installed packages a bit differently than apt-get, but other than that, they are the same
[23:59] <sako> so apt-get also has safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[23:59] <BUGabundo> sako: they are both front-ends for dpkg
[23:59] <sako> i have been doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade