[00:00] it's just that the menu item is disabled right? [00:00] the only places where it would make sense is livecd and guest session [00:00] and we have a gconf key we can tweak for those [00:00] (I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm just asking) [00:00] rickspencer3, some users are complaining about screen not being locked after suspend resume too [00:00] it seems rather odd, yes [00:01] why oh why did I give a first time linux user a karmic beta disc? [00:01] oops [00:01] heh [00:02] TheMuso, robert_ancell I'll be ready in like 2 mins. [00:02] I did update the wiki btw [00:02] seb128 - thats a preference issue (the screen not locking on lid close) [00:02] i just had a look at the g-p-m log in the bug report [00:02] chrisccoulson, being a preference issue would be respecting the gconf key [00:03] the indicator session code seems to unactive the menu for autologins [00:03] rather than reading the gconf lock key [00:03] seb128 - the indicator issue is separate from the lid-close issue though isn't it? [00:03] seb128 - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/428115/comments/34 [00:03] chrisccoulson, not sure, I was reading new comments on this bug too [00:03] Launchpad bug 428115 in indicator-session "Does not lock screen on lid close when using gdm autologin" [High,Fix released] === asac_ is now known as asac [00:04] yeah, g-p-m gets the lock policy from several gconf keys (one of them tells it whether to use the screensaver config, or g-p-m config) [00:04] chrisccoulson, I'm not sure what is going on for people who claim that suspend doesn't lock screen [00:05] ok, time for team meeting, Eastern Edition? [00:05] robert_ancell, TheMuso? [00:05] sorry for the delay [00:05] here [00:05] hi [00:06] so, my general concern is to make sure that we all understand the status of various parts of the desktop, and know what changes are coming up [00:06] did you guys look over the info from the Euro Edition? [00:06] yes [00:06] oops, I left out NM [00:07] that's very close to done, and testing modems of types is appreciated [00:07] (except 14.4 dial ups, as those are not used too much, I guess) [00:07] * rickspencer3 remembers thinking my first 14.4 was blazing fast [00:07] * TheMuso started with 33.6. [00:07] hehe [00:08] first though, let's talk bugs [00:08] currently, everyone should be focused on targeted, High bugs [00:08] but it seems that not everyone has such bugs assigned [00:09] TheMuso, pedro mentioned some pulse bugs, did he assign those to you? [00:09] rickspencer3: Yes he did, but I don't know where to go with them. Daniel is working on a race which is the result of a lot of those bugs. [00:09] Daniel has not told me what exactly is causing the race. [00:09] so they kind of depend on another bug that Daniel is working on? [00:09] All I know is its somethign to do with alsa storing volumes and pulse storing volumes [00:09] Riddell, hum, bug #444962 [00:09] Launchpad bug 444962 in shared-mime-info "shared-mime-info-0.7-ubuntu1 update is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444962 [00:10] rickspencer3: Yes, but I couldn't vive you a bug number. [00:10] TheMuso, hmmm [00:11] TheMuso, could you please fish out that bug today, and comment on the bugs that pedro assigned to you? [00:11] hrm ok [00:11] It's important that we are up on these issues and can keep users and other engineers apprised of the status [00:12] robert_ancell, are you currently working on any targeted bugs? [00:13] * robert_ancell looks [00:13] robert_ancell, could you add bug #444962 to your list? it seems Riddell broke nautilus with the update he uploaded today [00:13] Launchpad bug 444962 in shared-mime-info "shared-mime-info-0.7-ubuntu1 update is broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/444962 [00:13] gdm guest session, gedit localization translations [00:13] it's 1am there and I need sleep I don't think I will fix that before going to bed but that would be nice to get fixed quickly [00:14] robert_ancell, gedit -> gconf, it's not likely specific to gedit [00:14] seb128, ok, will look at [00:14] thanks [00:14] * rickspencer3 assigns to robert [00:14] * robert_ancell no more bugs please :) [00:15] hehe [00:15] it's nothing bug fixing from here on out [00:15] ok, enough about bugs [00:15] let's touch on the status of the areas you guys "own" [00:15] just let folks know about any remaining issues or possible upcoming changes [00:15] rickspencer3: Just a note, there is no real need to assign me to pulse bugs, as the audio team, which I am a member of, gets them anyway. [00:16] So if anyone needs to be assigned, its the audio team and we can then go from there [00:16] robert_ancell, compiz? [00:16] awaiting 0.8.4 release, seems stable at the moment though [00:16] when is it going in? [00:16] We just did a new snapshot of that, actually [00:17] mvo said since every commit was fixing bugs in ubuntu there was no point for a FFe [00:17] so, when can we expect to see it uploaded? [00:17] Already done [00:17] hehe [00:17] negative time, like that [00:17] so no more compiz changes expected? other than the stray bug fix maybe? [00:17] At least compiz itself was done and I think he did plugins-main today [00:18] We still need the other bits updated for a couple more crash fixes and such and upstream has already fixed another bug for netbook users [00:18] okay, so a few more bug fixes going in [00:18] thanks [00:19] TheMuso, audio? [00:19] Should we cherry pick from here on or just get new snapshots since they only fix our bugs so far? [00:19] rickspencer3: The only real show stopper atm I think is the volume restore/saving issues as explained above [00:19] dtchen is working on that afaik [00:20] TheMuso, a "show stopper"? [00:20] that serious? [00:20] rickspencer3: well users are filing bugs about it, and its affecting myself and pitti. [00:20] not a show stopper, but its the biggest target on our list atm. [00:20] okay [00:21] is the bug targeted to the release? [00:21] if I knew what bug it was, I could tell you [00:21] i.e I am not sure which bug Daniel is using as a base [00:21] TheMuso: Did you see asac's bug with audio popping every couple seconds? I think he assigned to you. [00:21] If that happens for everyone with that model of laptop that'd be pretty bad [00:21] Amaranth: I saw it, don't think he assigned to me [00:22] again, Daniel knows more about whats going on with that stuff [00:23] ok. moving on [00:23] robert_ancell, GDM? [00:24] biggest issue seems to be guest account, other than that seems ok [00:24] thought pitti just assigned me something which I will look into today [00:24] robert_ancell, this is the "requiring a password" issue? [00:25] lol [00:25] robert_ancell, your bug list has indeed grown since we last talked [00:25] :) [00:25] this one is targeted - http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/443133 [00:25] Launchpad bug 443133 in gconf "the gettext schemas translations are not being used" [High,Confirmed] [00:26] rickspencer3, there are 3 issues with guest account [00:26] ok [00:26] I only see one that is assigned to you, I guess you are helping pitti with the others? [00:27] I can assign bugs to robert_ancell if that's helping somebody ;-) [00:27] I investigated one, pitti and seb128 have indicated some of the issues I found are already tracked in other bugs [00:27] * seb128 runs away from robert_ancell [00:27] seb128, it seems to be a popular hobby in the last 24 hours, indeed [00:27] NO MORE BUGS PLEASE! [00:27] ;-) [00:28] it's hard to tell if he's smiling when he yells that [00:28] 8) [00:28] I'm at a reasonable distance from him right now so I'm not too scared [00:28] robert_ancell, note that at this phase, we fix bugs at "best effort" [00:28] ;-) [00:28] UDS is getting closer.. [00:28] right, I will need to be nicer in the next weeks ;-) [00:28] rickspencer3, sure, I'm following that strategy already [00:29] so the expectation is that you will work on them in priority order [00:29] robert_ancell, right, I just didn't want you to feel stressed that too many bugs = you fail if you can't fix them all [00:29] and if they're all high? ;) [00:29] np, thanks [00:29] robert_ancell, I don't get the shared-mime-info issue there so maybe not breaking for every but still worth looking at if you get it [00:30] ok, so "some issues with guest sesssion" [00:30] I guess I'll have to do some fishing to get specifics on that tomorrow [00:30] robert_ancell, any changes other than bug fixes planned for GDM? [00:30] no [00:30] ok [00:30] moving on ... [00:30] TheMuso, accessability? [00:31] wasn't there a serious accessibility issue with GDM last week? [00:31] rickspencer3: my only issue that I am trying to solve is speech-dispatcher's alsa audio code crashing randomly. Its beyond my current skills and experience to fix, so I've put a call out to the a11y community, with no response so far. [00:32] maybe someone from the foundations team can help [00:32] they like to find and fix crashers [00:32] :) [00:32] heh right [00:32] TheMuso, what is the bug #? [00:32] I'll see if I can get some help for that [00:32] rickspencer3: just a second. Problem is the stack trace is incomplete, due to apport not having dbgsym packages for speech-dispatcher for some reason [00:33] ok [00:34] There is bug 440278 and bug 432337, both dispalying the random nature of this crash. [00:34] Launchpad bug 440278 in speech-dispatcher "sd_espeak assert failure: wave.cpp:716: size_t wave_write(void*, char*, size_t): Assertion `(22050*2*sizeof(uint16_t)) >= bytes_to_write' failed." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440278 [00:34] Bug 432337 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/432337 is private [00:35] bug 432337 [00:35] Bug 432337 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/432337 is private [00:35] oh well [00:35] hang on [00:36] TheMuso, how often does this occur? [00:36] this seems rather serious [00:36] rickspencer3: very very randomly [00:36] sometimes one every two minutes, sometimes hours [00:36] is that *infrequently* [00:36] yes [00:36] ok [00:36] bug 432337 [00:36] Launchpad bug 432337 in speech-dispatcher "sd_espeak crashed with SIGSEGV in memcpy()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432337 [00:37] TheMuso, if you are working on this bug, please make sure it is assigned to you [00:37] ok [00:37] * TheMuso sighs [00:37] what's wrong? [00:37] are these also audio team bugs? [00:37] nothing, just red tape. :) [00:37] TheMuso, it's not red tape [00:37] anyway, assigned [00:38] it's important to know where our resources are being allocated [00:38] if someone needs help, and you don't have bugs assigned, how will anyone know whether you are available? [00:38] also, if someone in the community is hitting this bug, how will they know that there is someone who cares and is working on it? [00:38] Yeah I know [00:40] TheMuso, the desktop team has a culture of practicing good bug hygein [00:40] we use our bug stats daily [00:40] * rickspencer3 gets off soap box [00:40] robert_ancell, TheMuso any other business? [00:40] no [00:41] no [00:41] coolio [00:41] TheMuso, btw do you think you will have time to look at this ubuntu-sounds for empathy bug before karmic? [00:41] So this is the perfect time to break compiz, right? [00:41] seb128: Probably, but if we have to add files, licensing is a concern. [00:42] TheMuso, oh? we can't copy sounds from the xdg theme? [00:42] seb128: We could, I' [00:42] TheMuso, what about having a binary from the xdg theme we would install by default? [00:42] seb128: We could, I'd just have to dig up the license for them and make sure all of that is added [00:43] seb128: I'll have a look if I get a chance. [00:43] TheMuso, should I assign the bug to you? it's assigned to me for now but I think it's rather a sound theme thing [00:43] seb128: sure [00:43] thanks [00:48] good night everybody [01:10] oh dear [01:10] shared-mime-info breakage! [01:19] robert_ancell, djsiegal tells me that he can't log in, that gdm just restarts whenever he logs in [01:19] surely if this were a widespread issue, we would know, right? [01:20] rickspencer3, I hadn't heard of this, I would expect this would be well known. [01:20] rickspencer3, is he online now? [01:20] rickspencer3 - sounds like X crashing. has he tried without compiz? [01:23] djsiegel, hey, have you looked in /var/log/gdm? [01:24] * Amaranth cries [01:24] It's going to be compiz crashing the ati driver or something [01:24] heh, what happened with your failsafe session stuff? [01:28] chrisccoulson: I dunno if the patch ever got into gdm to complete the gnome-session side [01:29] ah, ok. i'm not sure either [01:29] If not gdm is currently showing you a failsafe session that doesn't actually work [01:29] hi guys [01:29] let's DO this [01:30] bye guys [01:31] rick is gone, let's put gnome-do in the default install! [01:31] robert_ancell: so, I am at gdm [01:31] djsiegel: Try the failsafe session [01:32] Amaranth: I am not sure how to do that [01:33] I don't see that option [01:33] there should be a sessions option at the bottom of the screen after you clicked your user [01:33] I have language and keyboard settings [01:35] chrisccoulson: ^ [01:37] Amaranth robert_ancell ^ [01:38] hrm, wth [01:38] djsiegel, yeah, that's odd. I'm fully updated and I see a sessions list [01:38] djsiegel, can you look at the logs in /var/log/gdm (you need to be root) [01:39] yes [01:39] the -greeter ones? [01:39] all of them, actually from a terminal do: [01:39] sudo service gdm stop [01:39] sudo rm /var/log/gdm/* [01:39] sudo service gdm start [01:40] then look at what logs were created [01:40] ok [01:40] * djsiegel just used sudo as root [01:41] robert_ancell: it made :0-{greeter,slave,}.log [01:41] and after attempting to log in? [01:42] The session combobox is hard-coded to always be there... why is yours missing?? [01:42] duplicated them, adding .1 suffix [01:43] ok, what is in the :0.log? [01:43] that is the pre-loging-attemt [01:44] I don't see anything weird [01:44] lots of stuff about intel(0) [01:45] and the other logs? [01:45] well I diffed all the logs, and after failed loging [01:45] could not open xsplash.log [01:46] pam_unix(gdm:session): session closed for user david [01:46] xsplash: Fatal IO error 11 [01:46] Resource temp unavail on X server :0.0. [01:46] * robert_ancell looking at recent changes to gdm [01:47] I get some complains that a timestamp of 0 was passed around the WM [01:47] I get that in my logs [01:48] djsiegel, could you try apt-get removing xsplash and see if that works? [01:48] so software-center has made my stepdad love ubuntu and now one of his friends is going to dual boot after seeing it [01:48] win [01:48] Amaranth: really? [01:48] Amaranth: had he seen Add/Remove before? [01:48] djsiegel, also, and apt-get install --reinstall gdm just as a sanity check [01:48] djsiegel: No, first time using Ubuntu himself [01:48] Amaranth: ok, so it wasn't something that Software Center has that Add/Remove did not :) [01:48] just wondering [01:49] compiz helped too :) [01:49] expo mode blew them away, apparently [01:50] Amaranth: we need to make that easier to use [01:50] how to people discover that crazy key combo? [01:50] robert_ancell: it didn't fix it [01:50] I showed him the shortcut for it [01:50] I removed xsplash and --reinstalled gdm [01:50] djsiegel, do you still get xsplash mentioned in the logs? [01:50] djsiegel: Have you rebooted since all this started? [01:51] Amaranth: yes [01:51] An upgrade to dmraid wiped /tmp [01:51] ah, ok then [01:51] oooh, my gdm restart and shut down menu items do nothing [01:51] djsiegel, is dbus running? [01:53] robert_ancell: after removing xsplash, I still get this warning that xsplash.log could not be appended to [01:54] how do I check on dbus? [01:54] shows up in ps [01:54] ps aux | grep dbus - is it running for the gdm user? [01:56] yes [01:56] Sorry, I have to go. I have been working since Sunday morning... [01:56] need a break [02:00] djsiegel, oh, sorry for keeping you up. I will look out for problems [02:00] no need to apologize, I just will have to debug later [03:06] so is there some configgy way to make gdm load in username/password mode, rather than "pick your user from a list" mode? [03:09] rickspencer3, I don't think so, that was discussed on a list somewhere recently [03:09] pgraner, hey [03:09] jono, never mind, that was a pm [03:09] jono: sup [03:09] wrong channel [03:09] kenvandine, I was chatting with pgraner about these empathy issues [03:09] rickspencer3, np [03:09] pgraner, is there a way I can kill pulse and reload my alsa kernel modules [03:09] so I can test [03:10] jono: ps -ef | grep pulse then kill the pids [03:10] jono: might be a more elegant way to do that [03:11] jono: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart [03:12] pgraner, will that stop everything talking to alsa and re-load afresh? [03:12] jono: it should [03:12] jono: your last call caused empathy on my end to segfault [03:12] * pgraner restarts empathy [03:13] "pulseaudio -k", then "sudo modprobe -r whatever" works for me [03:14] pgraner, dude I saw you for a second! [03:14] jono: just segfaulted again [03:14] there is some funky nonsense going on here [03:14] jono: yea, it still seems to have some serious bugs [03:14] pgraner, you are getting segfaults with empathy when you connect to jono? [03:14] weird [03:15] rickspencer3: yep [03:16] jono, after reloading all the alsa goodness, make sure pulseaudio is running again [03:16] kenvandine,it seems to restart [03:16] ok [03:16] jono: died again [03:16] jono, you do have another problem at home still [03:17] oh well [03:17] anothe rproblem? [03:17] well, the UPnP issue [03:17] kenvandine, ahhh yes [03:17] which was better at the coffee shop :) [03:17] so it won't work great... but even with that failure you were getting the gstreamer problems [03:17] so if that goes away... you are in better shape :) [03:18] kenvandine, so tomorrow I should test in the coffee shop [03:18] are you running it with those variables set? [03:18] if so, grep them for that same error [03:18] see if you are still getting it [03:19] jono: I just video wit rickspencer3 , hahaha [03:21] so, weird that pgraner and I can chat, but jono an pgraner can't [03:21] rickspencer3, well jono has two issues, UPnP negotiation times out at his router, but that shouldn't completely kill it [03:22] and the sound thing [03:22] jono, your desktop is evil, that is the only explenation [03:23] * kenvandine thinks jono should listen to some jimmy buffet, his desktop will like him more :) [03:23] * pgraner agrees with kenvandine [03:24] hm, seems like kenvandine's message caused the janc_test disconnect/reconnect [03:24] :) [03:25] jono, do you do any online gaming? like xbox live, etc? [03:26] that stuff usually needs UPnP to work well as well [03:26] kenvandine: for the record I"m not using a router, I'm using a linux box so I don't have commercial firmware getting in the way [03:26] hehe [03:26] kenvandine: can you retry a /me ? [03:26] that helps [03:26] * kenvandine jumps [03:26] hm, so that's not what triggered it :-/ [03:31] arg, the autopartitioner made _just_ enough room for ubuntu [03:32] no room for upgrades or installing new stuff [03:32] * JanC tests [03:33] Amaranth: there is a bug about that [03:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/421407 [03:35] Launchpad bug 421407 in ubiquity "[Jaunty and Karmic] the installer by default proposes a wrong size for the Ubuntu partition (far too small)" [High,Fix released] === robert_ancell is now known as robert_ancell-af === robert_ancell-af is now known as robert_ancell [06:42] Good morning! [07:29] meh. did a new devkit-power screw up battery support? [08:15] Good morning [08:15] TheMuso: as far as I understood mat_t, it was on shutdown and on low battery [08:17] hello there [08:17] morning here ! [08:23] hey seb128, morning pitti, lut huats :) [08:23] lut huats didrocks [08:25] hello seb128 didrocks and pitti [08:34] * pitti hugs didrocks, seb128, and huats, bonjour [08:34] hey pitti [08:34] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:34] the Fench mafia :) [08:34] * didrocks hugs pitti [08:34] hehe :) [08:40] mvo, i found that update-notifier wasn't working for reboots in xfce, so i've got a merge request that adds hal as a fallback. can you take a look when you get a moment? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/update-notifier/hal-fallback/+merge/12971 thanks [08:42] superm1: sure. did you had a chance to talk to cody about the icon change? [08:43] mvo, yeah, cody wasn't keen upon it since they don't use humanity for xubuntu. mac_v didn't want to carry it directly in humanity either, so i just made a separate theme that inherits from humanity and just provides that icon [08:43] superm1: ok, thanks. diff looks fine (for reboot), commited [08:43] cool thanks mvo [08:44] not sure what to do when halsectomy is fully done, but at least this helps for this release [08:45] superm1: yeah, I will upload today or tomorrow (I will do some triage to see if there are other changes to pick first) [08:45] okay sounds good [08:47] pitti, it's peculiar that devicekit-power only provides suspend and hibernate methods. wouldn't it make sense to also provide halt and reboot from devicekit-power rather than asking gdm and kdm and friends to go implement it? [08:47] superm1: indeed; however, halt/reboot are already provided by ConsoleKit [08:47] (no need for gdm/kdm to do it) [08:47] there was a looooong and heated thread about it [08:48] but William didn't give in, so it's still how things work :-( [08:48] pitti, oh neat! so that's basically the same thing that Reboot() did from HAL? [08:48] on org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Restart() that is [08:48] right [08:49] okay well then when halsectomy is done, that change i just submitted to update-notifier can just be converted to consolekit then instead [08:49] it checks for multiple users and requests the corresponding PK privilege (reboot for single user/reboot for multiple users being logged in) [08:49] oh so there is a slight difference then. HAL just has a frenzy and reboot regardless [08:50] same basic result though [08:50] hey pitti [08:50] hey chrisccoulson! thanks for your screensaver lock investigations [08:50] you're welcome. so, we just need to change the defaults really:) [09:04] indeed [09:17] chrisccoulson: hm, /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled is false for me (and the default), and yet the screen locks with lid close [09:17] but I have use_screensaver_settings = false [09:17] pitti - thats expected. with use_screensaver_settings = false, g-p-m uses it's own policy [09:17] right [09:18] but use_screensaver_settings = false is also the default [09:18] ah, ok. i checked the schema on my machine, and it said true, but perhaps it is overridden in /usr/share/gconf/defaults somewhere [09:19] chrisccoulson: well, "default" in the sense of "I don't have it in my ~/.gconf" [09:19] I'm a bit undecided about /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled, but my gut feeling is that "false" is a better default [09:19] 10_gnome-power-manager:/apps/gnome-power-manager/lock/use_screensaver_settings false [09:19] it was like that for previous Ubuntu releases, and changing it now is unexpected [09:20] yeah, makes sense [09:20] so, the user in this report has broken their config somehow ;) [09:20] yes [09:20] that's ok then:) [09:21] although, i'm not entirely sure how they discovered that key [09:23] seb128 - want me to work on a g-s-d change to make gdm theming work? [09:24] chrisccoulson, you think you can get that done this week? in which case that would be great [09:25] yeah, that shouldn't be too difficult [09:25] I'm not sure to understand how those schemas path changes work right now [09:25] the current one seems g-s-d keys specific [09:25] but the one we want to change are not [09:25] but the one we want to change are not g-s-d things [09:26] seb128: you have a broken killswitch on your dell as well, I suppose? (i. e. if you boot with the switch being on, you can't ever activate wifi) [09:27] hum xchat-gnome crashed [09:27] was funny to see you jump in and out [09:27] seb128: you have a broken killswitch on your dell as well, I suppose? (i. e. if you boot with the switch being on, you can't ever activate wifi) [09:27] pitti, I didn't try I never touch to this thing [09:28] ok; there's a test kernel for it, but no amd64 yet [09:28] I will try next time I reboot [09:28] oh, amd64 is there now, rad [09:29] I'll test it myself then [09:38] seb128 - the way i will do the GDM change is to add a new key for the xsettings plugin to tell it which keys to load the theme info from. then we just specify a different location for the GDM session [09:38] /"GDM change"/"g-s-d change" [09:38] that seems to be the least intrusive way [09:38]