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| * robbiew waves to evand | 15:58 | |
| evand | hallo | 15:58 |
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| * james_w waves | 15:58 | |
| mvo | hey | 15:58 |
| * robbiew barely gets agenda out | 15:58 | |
| robbiew | after realizing the wiki is fubar'd | 15:59 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| robbiew | https://pastebin.canonical.com/23051/ | 16:00 |
| robbiew | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:00 |
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| robbiew | let's get started... | 16:02 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Ubuntu 9.10 Deliverables | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu 9.10 Deliverables | 16:02 |
| robbiew | james_w: so we're done with what we plan to do for Daily Builds and DD, right? | 16:02 |
| robbiew | still waiting on LP to address "The Bug"? | 16:03 |
| james_w | yeah | 16:03 |
| james_w | I think that might be close to done | 16:03 |
| james_w | at the moment they are working on getting more disks for codehosting | 16:03 |
| james_w | so we have been asked to refrain from pushing up branches for new packages right now | 16:04 |
| robbiew | ok...thanks for that info | 16:04 |
| robbiew | slangasek: around? | 16:04 |
| robbiew | liw: do you know if anything progressed with the DEP on Copyright Licensing? | 16:05 |
| liw | robbiew, I have not seen any progress on DEP5 | 16:05 |
| liw | (Steve is welcome to kick me if I've missed it) | 16:06 |
| __keybuk | DEP? | 16:06 |
| mvo | PEP | 16:06 |
| mvo | with a different spelling I guess | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/ | 16:06 |
| liw | DEP = Debian Enhancement Proposal; http://dep.debian.net/ and http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ | 16:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/ | 16:06 |
| robbiew | okay...well I guess we missed this one...again :/ | 16:07 |
| __keybuk | Ah, not DEPendency then | 16:07 |
| robbiew | we need to make progress on this in Lucid...possibly implementing before the DEP is accepted | 16:07 |
| __keybuk | I bet whoever named that thought they were being cute ;) | 16:07 |
| robbiew | as OEM is dying from tracking this stuff by hand in a spreadsheet | 16:07 |
| liw | __keybuk, we didn't think we were being cute, I think :) | 16:08 |
| mvo | liw: is that your doing (the naming)? | 16:09 |
| liw | robbiew, do you want me to dust off the API design I did long ago, and spend a day on writing up a prototype and a sample cli app for querying stuff? might help dislodge things if there's code available | 16:09 |
| liw | mvo, me and Dato and Zack | 16:09 |
| robbiew | liw: sure | 16:10 |
| robbiew | I'll take whatever I can get :D | 16:10 |
| mvo | liw: heh :) ok | 16:10 |
| liw | robbiew, then I*ll do that before the end of the month :) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | liw: there's also code in lintian these days I think, which may be a useful basis | 16:10 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] liw to dust off the API design he did long ago, and spend a day on writing up a prototype and a sample cli app for querying stuff | 16:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: liw to dust off the API design he did long ago, and spend a day on writing up a prototype and a sample cli app for querying stuff | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | or at any rate code in a bug report against lintian somewhere | 16:11 |
| liw | cjwatson, ok, I'll give that a look | 16:11 |
| * robbiew got abused by lintian when doing his first package...whipped me into shape good :P | 16:11 | |
| robbiew | cjwatson: I'm embarrassingly uninformed on the progress of archive reorg...my own fault | 16:12 |
| robbiew | :/ | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | I think we've finally managed to mostly complete the argument about how delegated upload teams should handle new memberships | 16:13 |
| robbiew | ok | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | I said yesterday that I'd give it a day for further comments; there have been some but I think they can probably be integrated | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | that means that by final we will pretty definitely have at least ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu, and mythbuntu reorg'ed | 16:14 |
| robbiew | nice | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | it's not perfect, but not too bad progress for the cycle | 16:14 |
| robbiew | yep...especially with the other "fun" we've had | 16:15 |
| robbiew | thanks | 16:15 |
| robbiew | the last one is mine and slangasek's | 16:15 |
| robbiew | Release coordination with debian...which is progressing....slowly...but progressing | 16:15 |
| robbiew | thinking we can coordinate around a set of core packages...toolchain, kernel, maybe X | 16:16 |
| * robbiew needs to talk to doko about the python 2.6 "drama" in Debian | 16:17 | |
| robbiew | fun :/ | 16:17 |
| robbiew | moving on | 16:17 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Boot (yay!) | 16:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Boot (yay!) | 16:17 |
| doko__ | robbiew: didn't see any progress about GCC | 16:18 |
| robbiew | first of all, great work _keybuk....I think Karmic is shaping up quite nicely ;) | 16:18 |
| __keybuk | Quite nicely | 16:18 |
| __keybuk | In the English sense | 16:18 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:18 |
| liw | could you translate that? | 16:18 |
| __keybuk | I spent the day debugging mount issues, and have new code ready to drop | 16:18 |
| robbiew | doko_: ack...we should probably talk sometime this week | 16:19 |
| __keybuk | Next week I look at I/O issues | 16:19 |
| __keybuk | liw: English often mean "bad" when they say "quite good" and "good" when they say "not bad" | 16:20 |
| __keybuk | Americans mean the opposite | 16:24 |
| robbiew | yep | 16:24 |
| robbiew | anyway | 16:24 |
| evand | silly Brits | 16:24 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: _keybuk: so I'd like to enable usplash at boot by default and find a way to hide the console messages | 16:24 |
| __keybuk | Sure | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | we talked about a timeout at one point, perhaps that's still feasible | 16:24 |
| liw | so... karmic is doing badly? or well? or there is no karmic and I'm hallucinating? or I should stop trying to pretend I know any English? *thoroughly confused now* | 16:24 |
| robbiew | I had the Qa team triage a bunch of bugs to get a listing of kernel messages...that we can possibly silence, if the kernel team can do it | 16:24 |
| __keybuk | cjwatson has the ball on usplash | 16:24 |
| __keybuk | liw: Awesome on SSD, pain on HDD | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | __keybuk: if you're OK with a timeout in principle, I can beat on that | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | I just got sidetracked | 16:24 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: well, the only problem with a timeout is that people get confused...some see it, some don't...I've gotten tons of bugs on it | 16:24 |
| robbiew | "it" being where's usplash | 16:24 |
| robbiew | even on relatively fast booting machines | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | right, but if X shows up within (say) three seconds will they care? | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | I do see your point, just don't want to regress SSD boot time | 16:24 |
| __keybuk | Let's just turn it on for karmic | 16:24 |
| robbiew | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ66Lnbztig</TT | 16:24 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ66Lnbztig</TT | 16:24 |
| __keybuk | And work on better for lynx | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | __keybuk: ok, your call, will do | 16:24 |
| robbiew | what about the console messages? | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | starting usplash will hide nearly all of them, if it works properly | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | modulo shutdown | 16:25 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: well | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | nearly> this is hand-waving to account for tty switches and stuff | 16:25 |
| __keybuk_ | Oops | 16:25 |
| robbiew | not really..there's a bit of a flicker | 16:25 |
| robbiew | I tried both ways | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | oh, that | 16:26 |
| __keybuk_ | Missed that bit | 16:26 |
| cjwatson | robbiew: I don't have an answer yet that I entirely like (though I know you suggested console=tty6 as a fallback), but I'll see what's possible; I'm sure it can be arranged somehow that at least we flicker to a black screen | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | I don't think that at present we can get rid of the flicker entirely | 16:27 |
| robbiew | right | 16:28 |
| __keybuk_ | console= is overridden by usplash no? | 16:28 |
| robbiew | I can re-test, but last time I just enabled Usplash...I still saw flashes of console messages | 16:28 |
| __keybuk_ | usplash and X end up with messages on their VT anyway I think | 16:28 |
| robbiew | before usplash started I think | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk and I talked about various console handling issues, which are currently in my court to fix, e.g. cryptsetup's dodgy use of 'console owner' | 16:29 |
| robbiew | I'll re-test and post another crappy youtube video if I see anything | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | those are blocking some more sensible handling in usplash | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | __keybuk: we should probably undo that old workaround in which usplash doesn't switch away from its own vt on normal shutdown | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | then it wouldn't matter what was on usplash's vt, as long as we got the ordering right | 16:30 |
| __keybuk_ | Yes | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | (and we could VT_RELDISP it too ...) | 16:31 |
| * robbiew leaves it in the MORE than capable hands of _keybuk and cjwatson | 16:31 | |
| __keybuk_ | Don't know that one | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | tty8 is still allocated when usplash exits, so X's first vt is 7, and then if you use fast user switching you end up on vt 9 | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | and then 10, 11, etc. | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | it's a bit bizarre | 16:31 |
| __keybuk_ | Ahh | 16:32 |
| __keybuk_ | Yes, agree | 16:32 |
| robbiew | ok..we can probably move on | 16:33 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] RC Bugs | 16:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: RC Bugs | 16:33 |
| robbiew | anyone got bugs they need help with...or just want to raise? | 16:33 |
| * mvo got a bunch but will do his best to fix them in time | 16:33 | |
| __keybuk_ | I have lots of those, but in my usual style I only milestoned them once I knew how to fix them | 16:33 |
| mvo | I could do with some help on update-manager bug triage, liw is already a good help, if he can just continue that would be great | 16:34 |
| liw | computer-janitor has a couple of crashes within the Python interpreter that I can't make any progress on | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | I've been trying to beat on build failures, which are normally sort of implicitly RC | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | especially cranking through http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909-karmic.html, now that wgrant has pointed out to me that once there's a newer version in karmic a row disappears out of the main four tables at the top, so it's possible to mostly avoid duplicating work | 16:34 |
| liw | bug #420307 and bug #435580 specifically (please hit me on the head with the cluebat of obviousness) | 16:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420307 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_set_geometry_hints()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420307 | 16:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 435580 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in realloc()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435580 | 16:35 |
| mvo | I also need prioritizing a RT ticket (#35783) so that we get screenshots.ubuntu.com for release | 16:35 |
| robbiew | mvo: ack | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | the number left in main is manageable, but universe (I know) is intimidatingly large | 16:35 |
| mvo | robbiew: many thanks | 16:35 |
| robbiew | [ACTION] robbiew to prioritize RT ticket (#35783) | 16:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: robbiew to prioritize RT ticket (#35783) | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | if you have experience in some weird language or other, then hacking on anything in that list written in $language would be good - it often involves slightly weird skills | 16:36 |
| mvo | robbiew: the important part is screenshots.u.c (the ticket contains another request as well) | 16:36 |
| james_w | I can have a stab at some ftbfs | 16:36 |
| evand | I'm seeing sporadic reports of webkit vomiting all over GTK, causing ubiquity to crash in the slideshow | 16:36 |
| robbiew | mvo: noted | 16:36 |
| mvo | Igot some crashes in software-center too that look like webkit, but its a small number so far | 16:37 |
| mvo | but the html/JS in software-store is not that complicated :) | 16:37 |
| evand | and very odd issues around the install over top of another linux OS code setting the default uid to 0 (which we've patched over, but I'm trying to find the root cause of) | 16:37 |
| * robbiew starts to regret asking about RC bugs...prefers the bliss of ignorance :P | 16:37 | |
| mvo | lol@robbiew | 16:37 |
| __keybuk_ | robbiew: It's a good thing, shows that your team is | 16:38 |
| __keybuk_ | on top of them | 16:38 |
| robbiew | true | 16:38 |
| james_w | wow, you get a shot of Colin's head when you look at any of the build records of any of these failures. That was a little unexpected | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | ftbfs> gwt, jetty6, jinja2 are slightly beyond me | 16:39 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | james_w: yeah, not perhaps entirely desirable ;-) | 16:39 |
| doko__ | cjwatson: looking at jjinja | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | doko__: thanks | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | evand: webkit> I forwarded one bug about that upstream | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | bug 434413 | 16:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 434413 in pywebkitgtk "Dragging from the installer Webkit widget crashes Ubiquity" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434413 | 16:40 |
| evand | ah, awesome. Thanks | 16:40 |
| __keybuk_ | We so need a ddtt tag | 16:40 |
| mvo | evand: I had the same and added some magic to the html to disallow dragging (as a workaorund) | 16:41 |
| evand | mvo: ah, cool. I'll cherry pick that from you then. | 16:42 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Good News | 16:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good News | 16:43 |
| robbiew | any of that? | 16:43 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:43 |
| liw | hey, that wasn't on the agenda, now I'm unprepared | 16:43 |
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| robbiew | heh | 16:44 |
| robbiew | wow...nothing...how depressing :P | 16:44 |
| robbiew | cool | 16:44 |
| __keybuk | I keep meaning to make a dacia-sandero package for this section just to get a laugh from one other person | 16:44 |
| liw | wait | 16:44 |
| liw | I have one | 16:44 |
| james_w | hah | 16:44 |
| mvo | I got RTL languages fully (well, hopefully) working in software-center | 16:45 |
| liw | we have very little snow in Finland so far, and I have managed to find my bright light lamp | 16:45 |
| mvo | if someone actually uses a rtl language, I would appreciate feedback :) | 16:45 |
| robbiew | mvo: cool | 16:45 |
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| robbiew | liw: lol..okay...I guess that counts :D | 16:45 |
| liw | robbiew, you were so desperate :) | 16:45 |
| robbiew | indeed | 16:45 |
| __keybuk | mvo: I'm sure slangasek speaks reverse polish | 16:45 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:45. | 16:45 |
| robbiew | thanks all | 16:46 |
| robbiew | __keybuk: good one | 16:46 |
| liw | muchas gracies | 16:46 |
| mvo | __keybuk: haha | 16:46 |
| evand | lol | 16:46 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:46 |
| james_w | thanks all | 16:46 |
| * mvo runs to do some errands | 16:47 | |
| ara | hello :) | 18:01 |
| bdmurray | hi | 18:01 |
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| pedro_ | hola | 18:01 |
| ara | marjo is traveling to lexington today and he asked me to be the chair of the meeting | 18:02 |
| ara | so, here we are | 18:02 |
| ara | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is ara. | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:02 |
| ara | [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:02 |
| ara | sbeattie, can you give us a summary, please? | 18:02 |
| davmor2 | hello | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | Yep, this week was a bit slow on the SRU front. | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity for the past week (since 2009-09-30): | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | * Jaunty: 3 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, tzdata, zsync) and 2 pushed to -updates (kadu, tzdata) | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | * Intrepid: 3 new packages in -proposed (landscape-client, tzdata, zsync) and 1 pushed to -updates | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | (tzdata) | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | * Hardy: 4 new packages in -proposed (apt-cacher, debian-installer, tzdata, zsync) and 2 pushed to -updates (linux, tzdata) | 18:03 |
| sbeattie | * Dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales) and also pushed to -updates. | 18:04 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to Storm, A. Karl Kornel, and Artur Rona for testing SRUs this week. | 18:04 |
| sbeattie | As always, assistance in testing SRUs is greatly appreciated. | 18:04 |
| sbeattie | That's all I have for SRUs. | 18:04 |
| ara | OK, thanks sbeattie :) | 18:05 |
| ara | [TOPIC] - Bugday highlights -- pedro_ | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: - Bugday highlights -- pedro_ | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | Not a lot to share this week, we didn't organize a bug day last week (-ETOOMUCHTODO) | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | and i was about to run one this week for the confirmed without package bugs | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | but.. the ubuntu wiki is kind of br0ken , it doesn't allow you to create a new page | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | so i might skip the bug day for this week if that's not fixed soon | 18:06 |
| davmor2 | pedro_: you forgot the tm after Br0ken | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | *sigh* | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | heh | 18:07 |
| ara | pedro_, well, there will be time to run bug days when karmic goes out :D | 18:07 |
| pedro_ | that's so true ;-) | 18:07 |
| ara | pedro_, a "duplicates" one | 18:07 |
| ara | ok, so, last item on the agenda | 18:07 |
| ara | [TOPIC] Karmic Beta numbers - ara | 18:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic Beta numbers - ara | 18:08 |
| ara | OK, so we had Karmic Beta last week and I am glad to share that we reached 98.9% coverage!! | 18:08 |
| davmor2 | ara: 100% honest | 18:08 |
| pedro_ | \o/! | 18:08 |
| ara | Thanks a lot to everybody that helped testing | 18:09 |
| ara | do you guys have any concerns from the testing phase for beta? things that can be improved for RC? | 18:10 |
| ara | do you also think Karmic is going to be a great Ubuntu release? | 18:10 |
| fader_ | I'd say Karmic is going to rock but I don't want to jinx it :D | 18:10 |
| davmor2 | I think karmic will be the release that produces the most bug reports | 18:10 |
| bdmurray | the best evar | 18:10 |
| sbeattie | I had... quirky behavior from a karmic host testing karmic guests, such that I wasn't sure whether issues I saw were problems with the images or issues with virtualbox. | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | But I think the features that have gone in will mean that lucid will be friggin' awesome | 18:11 |
| ara | sbeattie, I had the same problem | 18:12 |
| ara | sbeattie, I tried kvm but it is very slow for me | 18:12 |
| fader_ | sbeattie, ara: what sort of issues? I didn't see anything unusual with kvm | 18:12 |
| ara | fader_, UTC hw clock, mainly | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | fader_: kvm on my amd cpu host was significantly slower than virtualbox on the same host for some unknown reason. | 18:13 |
| ara | sbeattie, same for me | 18:13 |
| fader_ | Interesting... I'll have to install virtualbox and compare behavior | 18:13 |
| fader_ | (and speed) | 18:13 |
| ara | fader_, it would be nice to have a kvm session during the QA track at UDS ;-) | 18:14 |
| sbeattie | I had issues where I rebooted a karmic guest, got no X, then powered down the guest, booted it back up, and then X in the guest came up fine. | 18:14 |
| sbeattie | (on virtualbox) | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | there was a kvm track just not in qa it was very interesting though | 18:14 |
| ara | sbeattie, the respawning issue? | 18:14 |
| fader_ | ara: I could happily participate as a user but I'm no kvm wizard :) | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | ara: beg kirkland | 18:14 |
| ara | davmor2, I was at that one. I was thinking more on a hands on tutorial | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | ara: no, this was different, IIRC. Post a jaunty->karmic upgrade. | 18:15 |
| ara | fader_, ^ | 18:15 |
| kirkland | ara: davmor2: sure, guys, i'll be happy to do one | 18:15 |
| kirkland | guys/gals | 18:15 |
| kirkland | :-) | 18:15 |
| ara | kirkland, nice :) | 18:15 |
| fader_ | \o/ | 18:15 |
| kirkland | fwiw, i have one scheduled for OpenWeek | 18:15 |
| ara | kirkland, good to know! | 18:16 |
| davmor2 | kirkland: You Rock Dude | 18:16 |
| ara | ok, any other topics? | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | We might have a working wubi tomorrow which would be nice :) | 18:18 |
| ara | davmor2, no kidding? | 18:18 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Excellent! | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | the only thing maybe stopping it at the minute is installer issues that are in the ubiquity install. So fingers crassed everyone | 18:19 |
| davmor2 | crossed even | 18:19 |
| * cr3 crasses fingers | 18:19 | |
| ara | ok, anything else? | 18:20 |
| ara | ok, let's wrap up | 18:21 |
| ara | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:21. | 18:21 |
| ara | thanks everyone for attending the meeting | 18:21 |
| fader_ | Thanks all | 18:21 |
| davmor2 | thanks | 18:21 |
| pedro_ | thanks! | 18:21 |
| sbeattie | woo, thanks! | 18:21 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: that's harsh only thanking woo | 18:22 |
| ara | I would post the logs and summary whenever the wiki is fixed... | 18:22 |
| davmor2 | I'm assuming that someone has reported it's breakage? | 18:23 |
| ara | s/would/will | 18:23 |
| sbeattie | ara: thanks for doing that, BTW. That reminds me that I should backfill in the SRU data entries. | 18:23 |
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