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hipitihopdarthanubis: sorry I don't see upgrade instructions there... can I do a dist-upgrade or must I use the ISO image ?00:15
Misteror can i install a packed from cd?00:16
Misterbye00:21
hadsHmm stick around and someone could have helped.00:44
hadsold-releases00:44
hipitihopcan I upgrade from 9.04 to the new beta without using the ISO ?01:03
hadsYes01:04
hadsupdate-manager can do it somehow, or you can go CLI with do-release-upgrade01:05
hadsupdate-manager -c -d I think01:05
hipitihopI'm happy to go cli as I tend to ssh in anyway .. do you have a handy link to these instructions ?01:06
hadsCool, just ssh in and issue `sudo do-release-upgrade`01:08
mrandIf it isn't a pure server, the correct command appears to be sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop01:41
mrandProbably won't be the end of the world if you leave off the "desktop"01:41
hipitihophads: sorry, been away distracted.. will do01:47
hipitihophads: should I stop the backend ?01:48
hipitihopmrand: thanks for the clarification, I might not do it via ssh and instead go with streight terminal on the box itself01:50
mrandhipitihop that's command line, regardless of ssh or straight terminal.01:52
mrandIt somehow changes the behavior of how it upgrades some desktop packages.  Can't remember what right now, and it isn't easy to find out - it isn't well documented (there is even a Ubuntu bug on the fact it isn't well documented).01:53
hipitihopmrand: sure, just thought it might be a little safer then a wireless ssh session if connection is lost or otherwise. Maybe I should use 'screen' then01:54
mrandInteresting point on the wireless ssh.  I think I've done that an not had a problem, but if it is easy to do on a real terminal, why not!01:55
hipitihophmm after all that it reports: Checking for a new ubuntu release ...No new release found02:00
hipitihopmrand: sorry, do I need to change something in update manager first ?02:04
hadsOh, try adding a -d for devel release02:09
hadsInteresting, I hadn't noticed the modes, wonder what they actually do.02:10
hipitihophads: I see, added -d and it seems to now be off doing its thing02:12
mrandSorry - yes since 9.10 isn't released yet, you need the -d02:15
hipitihopmrand: all cool, thanks for help02:16
hipitihopgrr... now getting "Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch"02:25
mrandtry again?02:30
hadsYes, sorry, I missed the -d off my original line.02:45
schnerfirc has been more reliable than http for me for decent size files. is there a mythbuntu iso dcc bot?05:46
superm1no05:47
superm1but there are many http mirrors05:47
superm1so if you got a slow one, just try again and you'll usually be handed a different one05:47
schnerfthank you. i'll give it a shot.05:50
mrandOr you might be able to torrent it.05:50
mrandoh well.05:50
* mrand waves05:50
sidhgreetings gentlemen08:56
sidhis there owner of HAUPPAUGE Nova TD 500 DVD-T cards ?08:56
sidhDVB*08:56
beatbreaki'm trying to test Mythbuntu 9.10 but it's saying "this version of MythTV requires an updated database (schema is 30 versions behind) - how do i get the schema up to date?09:14
beatbreakI've tried to do a system update and that won't help, also looked into mythtv-setup but i can't see where it is on there09:22
beatbreaki'm sorry if my engligh is not so good09:22
hadsRunning mythtv-setup should upgrade the database for you.09:22
hadsNote that you can't downgrade.09:22
beatbreakwhere do i press in mythtv-setup ?09:23
hadsIt should do it automatically I believe.09:24
beatbreaki try again09:25
beatbreaksame result, what have I done wrong? should i restart my backend?09:31
sidhbeatbreak: i'm new to mythtv/mythbuntu, but i can tell you that if you have hauppauge nova td 500 dvb-t card, you will experience some problem with beta 9.10, whereas you won't with 9.0409:31
beatbreakthat's my card09:32
beatbreakwill it be fixed when the official comes out?09:33
beatbreakI bought this card for Linux to work09:34
beatbreakhttp://pastebin.com/m36f3fc1a here is output09:36
beatbreakI make a terrible mistake, i bought wrong card, i thought it is most popular. my big mistake, so stupid me09:38
superm1um don't start mythbackend like that09:38
sidhbeatbreak: the problem i experienced with 9.10 is that the device can not be "opened," then you can not retrive channels info, scanning and so on, it is a permission problem that i gave up to solve, and install a 8.04 which , at least recognize the pci card, even if i can not make it work well09:38
superm1it's got an init script for a reason09:38
superm1the init script will run it as the right user and make sure only one is running at a time09:39
superm1there ain't a chance that you will have proper functionality if two instances of mythbackend are trying to grab your DVB device (as shown in that log)09:39
superm1those look like 0.21 launches too.  mythbuntu 9.10 runs 0.2209:40
superm1so those are not compatible with mythbuntu 9.1009:40
beatbreaksidh, it works good on 9.0409:40
superm1sidh, that is supposed to be fixed by a web update in 9.1009:41
superm1channel scanning was broke with the version on the beta disk09:41
superm1so do your apt updates and things should be fine09:41
beatbreaksuperm1, really? i try now09:41
superm1beatbreak, it doesn't look like you are running 9.10 though, you would have a 0.22 mythtv version then09:42
beatbreaki have Arch linux backend, then MythBuntu Frontend09:43
sidhIf someone owns a HAUPPAUGE NOVA TD 500 DVB-T card and can make it works with reliability, could you PLEASE tell me your set up of this device, I'll pay you with Belgian beers (the best ever in the world)09:43
superm1beatbreak, then you need to upgrade your arch backend to 0.22 too, or use mythbuntu 9.04 for your frontend09:43
beatbreakMythBuntu never worked well so I made some reports to fix networking, i hope is fixed now09:43
sidhbeatbreak: yes on 9.04 the card is well recognized09:43
beatbreakoh i see, Arch uses MythTV 0.21-209:45
beatbreakis 0.22 in beta?09:45
beatbreakon mythTV website they have 0.21 also09:48
hipitihopwhile doing upgrade from 9.04 to beta I notice this in my terminal window "Preconfiguring packages ...Failed to connect to database (incorrect admin password)"09:50
beatbreaki don't understand, beta release needs 0.22 but the official release is 0.21 - am i mistake?09:53
sidhbeatbreak: why do you need 9.1009:53
sidh.09:53
sidh?09:53
beatbreaksidh, because networking never worked properley in 9.0409:54
sidhnetworking ?09:54
sidhyou mean NFS09:54
beatbreaksidh, i spoke to Ubuntu and make a report to fix in 9.1009:54
beatbreakno not NFS, ummm how do you say? i start MythBuntu then when i'm on desktop network starts, but it fails in background during startup procedure09:55
sidhbeatbreak: i use mythbuntu on on CF card, with all media exported on a NFS/ZFS server (FreeBSD of course), no problem with data09:55
sidhthe LAN is gigabyte with jumboframes09:55
beatbreakETH0 only detected when desktop starts, not in start up. so it makes it hard to map netowrk drive and ping/wol server09:56
sidhyes i noticed that too09:57
beatbreakit's important for me that it is fixed09:57
beatbreakit's not a mythbuntu problem, it's an Ubuntu problem09:58
beatbreakbut now i have mythbuntu problem with new version you say?09:58
beatbreaknothing work right, i make some mistake somewhere?09:58
sidhbeatbreak: before moving to mythbuntu, i tried the last version of LinHES (archlinux based) the network stack is much more well implemented09:58
sidhbut as i need to compile lirc and lcdproc , and the only linux i'm used to is debian , i chose mythbuntu then10:00
beatbreaksidh, i'm not ever use Knoppix too, Arch is good, and too Debian base10:00
beatbreaklirc is such a complicated in Arch it make me pull me hair10:01
beatbreakmythbuntu is very quick for this one. So myth backend = arch, myth frontend = mythbuntu. it make me happy10:02
hipitihopwhy does the upgrade have problems logging into the database with "Setting up mythtv-database (0.22.0~trunk22242-0ubuntu1) ...Failed to connect to database (incorrect admin password) "10:18
darthanubishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/+bug/21246010:34
darthanubissuperm1, Ive been meaning to check this out. I'll get back with you concerning this soon10:35
hipitihopwell that upgrade was less then spectacular ... did not boot into desktop and left me at a login prompt10:40
hipitihopdoes do release upgrade log everything ? as I may have missed some other errors10:41
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sidhok i found this strange behaviour17:22
sidhfor having sound on TV, i have to choose /dev/surround51, and for having video sound , i have to choose /dev/dsp1, in the set up menu17:22
sidhwhy isn'it possible to use the same ouput for both tv and video ?17:23
sidhit is quite boring to change that settings each time ...17:23
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sidhanybody ' here ?18:32
CyberKnetoccasionally19:02
CyberKnetI do not know the answer to your question though sorry.19:02
sidhok after i aptitude remove --purge kaffeine, i f i choose /dev/ALSA:surround51 as device i can watch tv and play music BUT i can not play video with mplayer20:02
sidhif i cat a file in /dev/dsp1 the speakermake noise, so the device is ok20:12
sidhwhy mplayer can not use that device20:12
bhaa___i'm running karmic, but since my q is mythtv specific i thought id try here...21:28
bhaa___apparently the mythtv package depends on nvidia libvdpau 185.21:28
bhaa___for other reasons i have nvidia 19021:28
bhaa___mythtv install wants to remove 19021:28
bhaa___is there any way of avoding this?21:29
bhaa___perhaps if the devs could change the package dependency...?21:29
bhaa___(i tried installing and couldnt get X running then)21:30
mrandI thought that they had made it so that it could depend on any of those.  If you're willing to wait a while, hopefully a superm1 can stop by and answer it.  When did you last update?21:30
superm1jya needs to push his vdpau independent package into debian first21:31
mrandAt a minimum, you should be able to pin the one you want to use.21:31
superm1likely won't be able to fix that for karmic21:31
bhaa___mrand: today a few hours ago.21:31
mrandBut he should be able to pin, right?21:31
bhaa___but its from danish servers which are a bit behind i belive21:31
mrandtoday is fine, regardless of server.21:31
superm1you can pin the package, but we are hard depending on the name "nvidia-185"21:31
bhaa___i didnt try pinning, it should work that way?21:32
bhaa___ill try21:32
bhaa___superm1: so it wont work then21:32
superm1so if the 190 driver is packed into a 185 name it will work21:32
superm1but otherwise no21:32
bhaa___ah, i see21:32
superm1the problem will be properly resolved for 10.0421:33
superm1it's a little too late in 9.10 to fix it properly though21:33
superm1mostly because NVIDIA didn't release the open source vdpau library for a long time21:33
bhaa___i see21:34
bhaa___so in conclusion, no push'n play solution until 10.4 (reminds me of osx tiger:)21:35
bhaa___i'll keep an eye on ppa's etc.21:35
bhaa___or do find some other workaround...21:35
bhaa___since it hasnt been resolved. are there non-trivial reasons the dependencies hasnt just been changed to accept both.21:37
bhaa___(asking in case i want to rebuild mythtv and change the dep myself)21:37
superm1well what's it link to?  can you check ldd output for mythfrontend?21:39
bhaa___but i cant install it....21:39
superm1we might be able to hardcode it to something like Depends: libvdpau, and have both drivers provides: libvdpau21:39
bhaa___mythfrontend that is :)21:39
superm1of course.  that would make it way too easy.21:40
bhaa___right...21:41

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