[00:15] <shtylman> Riddell: how come so few kubuntu devs this time around?
[00:16] <Riddell> shtylman: at UDS? 5 is what we normally get
[00:16] <shtylman> really?
[00:16] <shtylman> seemed like we had more last time...
[00:16] <shtylman> maybe not
[00:17] <Riddell> well there's me and agateau too
[00:17] <yuriy> shtylman: lmao @ link
[00:18] <shtylman> gotcha
[00:19] <shtylman> yuriy: im thinking about buying it ... to have instead of 'man ping' ;p
[00:19] <yuriy> argh my clipboard broke
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> UI's done: http://imagebin.ca/view/wXRLd4f.html , http://imagebin.ca/view/OALol1x.html
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Just need to support the displayIf and DontDisplayAfterReboot fields, then get the commands working
[00:22] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: are you keeping that notification you linked to before? seems needlessly vague
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: yeah, click "details" and then that dialog pops up
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> if there's only one hook it's a plain ol' kdialog
[00:23] <Riddell> neversfelde: don't suppose you've packaged the koffice beta?
[00:23] <yuriy> I don't see why anyone would be compelled to click on that notification to get the dialog
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> why would anyone click the systray icon we had before to get a dialog? :P
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> I could try to do it with a notification rather than the kdialog
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> but there's the issue of multiple hooks
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> but then I suppose I could just fire multiple notifications at once
[00:24]  * JontheEchidna thinks out loud
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Still under 500 lines of code :)
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> oh jeez, my 7 year old sister is complaining about getting asked the key every time she logs in for GNOME's NM applet
[00:36] <yuriy> well, that is annoying :P
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah, even 7 year olds agree
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> NetworkMangler sucks :P
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> With our kubuntu laptop running 8.10 all she has to do is click the network from knetworkmanager
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> but she has trouble remembering the key
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> but the kubuntu laptop's screen is broken
[00:42] <txwikinger> wow.. upgrade to karmic download takes 10 hours
[00:43] <yuriy> i thin knetworkmanager makes you do that too
[01:24] <Riddell> reports of progress http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/virtuoso/
[01:41] <shtylman> progress to what?
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> The virtuoso soprano backend
[01:41] <shtylman> sounds fancy
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> more free than the sesame2 backend and faster than the redland backend
[01:42] <shtylman> cool
[01:42] <shtylman> is it faster than the sesame2 backend?
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> being slow wasn't one if sesame2's problems, so dunno
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> plus I never really used sesame2 or redland
[01:45] <shtylman> I don't use desktop search :/
[01:45] <shtylman> I know where my files are...I put them there :)
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> right
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> nothing a grep can't find if I forget
[01:46] <shtylman> indeed
[01:51] <nixternal> bug #424078
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> isn't that usually when you adjust your monitor to not be so far to the left?
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> ~seen rgreening
[01:54] <kubotu> rgreening was last seen 4 hours, 3 minutes and 1 second ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection) and a while before saying "hehe"
[01:58] <shtylman> hehe
[02:18] <ScottK> Tonio_: Have you gotten a chance to look over k-n-d-s yet?   I'm afraid the default fonts in Konqeuror are too big.
[02:26] <ScottK> Apparently old revisions of quassel packages were taking up 5% of my hard drive.
[03:24] <ScottK> So, did we include the right one: http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/118
[03:26] <nixternal> bug #442079
[03:26] <nixternal> just playin' ignore me
[03:27] <shtylman> god dammit shit! ... sorry I just realized that some of the dumb ass problems with go-oo filepicker were caused by some old code that created a KMainWindow on the stack! in a function...so obviously when it was deleted and destructor called some otehr variables were set!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:29] <ScottK> shtylman: Congratulations.
[03:31] <shtylman> now exec works as it is supposed to! which also means that drag and drop to side bar works
[03:32] <shtylman> but still no text in oxygen style!! (cries)
[03:32] <shtylman> sooo close...
[03:38] <ScottK> shtylman: How would you feel about me changing the bug from critical to high?
[03:38] <ScottK> You have made significant progress.
[03:38] <shtylman> um... I would say no.. because progress is independent of the "importance" of the bug
[03:39] <shtylman> hopefully I will get a bit more tonight and update the bug list/report with progress and where it all stands
[03:39] <ScottK> OK
[03:41] <yuriy> hmm progress is good. i'm out of ideas on apport-kde -- have people with hangs and two different crashes. great.
[03:41] <yuriy> and one of those crashes is in userconfig and jockey-kde too
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: if we get 1.0.2 in we'll have the right one.
[03:58] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> I have an FFe bug open with 1.0.1 packging that I meant to throw at vorian
[03:58] <ScottK> Did I ack it already?
[03:58] <heHATEme> yo!
[03:59] <ScottK> There he is.
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> I'd need to bump it to 1.0.2 first anyways
[03:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Stick it at him now.
[03:59] <vorian> bug number please
[03:59] <rgreening> o/
[03:59] <vorian> hallo!
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: btw, did you see that kcm_touchpad project on kde-look?
[04:00] <vorian> i'm 3 weeks away from closing on our house, and all will be normal again
[04:00]  * ScottK tries to figure the symbolic nature of vorian asks for a bug number and rgreening raises his hand.
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> vorian: bug 432725, need to update it to 1.0.2
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> I'll do so tomorrow
[04:00] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kcm_touchpad?content=113335
[04:00] <vorian> is the 4.3.2 all done?
[04:01] <ScottK> I think so
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:01] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: read yer email :)
[04:01] <vorian> i feel so isolated
[04:01] <vorian> :(
[04:01]  * JontheEchidna checks email
[04:01] <rgreening> hey vorian
[04:01]  * ScottK reads planet KDE and discovers we got just what we needed: Another media player written from scratch.
[04:01] <vorian> hello
[04:01]  * JontheEchidna doesn't have an email yet
[04:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: hmm. I updated the whiteboard... it should have sent a reply.. maybe not...
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> ok
[04:02] <ScottK> Heya vorian
[04:02] <rgreening> Anyway.. short answer.. no. Im planning on directly using xinput
[04:03] <vorian> hello, again
[04:05] <rgreening> lol
[04:06] <vorian> geeeez, kmoney is such a crappy app
[04:06]  * vorian hopes upstream is not here and awake atm
[04:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: what testing did you do?
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> need to do more of that actually, which is why I hadn't flung it at you yet
[04:07] <vorian> ah, ok
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> All I did was pbuild then find that pbuild didn't copy the debs out
[04:07] <vorian> i'll subcribe to it then
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> but now that I have to update it anyways it's not so bad that it didn't copy them out
[04:08] <vorian> hehe
[04:08] <vorian> whoa! someone changed the ninjas icon
[04:10] <vorian> Riddell: how's a fella get on the kubuntu-dev train?
[04:11] <ScottK> First we have to make a process.
[04:11] <ScottK> nixternal promised to draft something up.
[04:11] <vorian> roger that
[04:11] <ScottK> Then we get the process approved by the development membership board.
[04:11] <vorian> nixternal: congrats btw on your CC gig
[04:11] <ScottK> Oh, now you suck up.
[04:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:11] <vorian> hehe
[04:12] <vorian> the TB minutes were not very descriptive
[04:46] <ScottK> dtchen: Careful.  Nullack is a professional QA person who is very good at explaining how all this ought to be done.
[07:26]  * jussi01 waves to Nightrose - waves are back! :D
[08:02]  * Tm_T is still waiting to get wave invite ):
[08:03] <jussi01> Tm_T: If I had any....
[08:03] <Tm_T> aye
[08:08] <Tonio_> ScottK: not yet for the kns settings... will do soon
[08:09] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have to reinstall it first
[08:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: the fix works !!!!!!!!
[08:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but only for qt apps.... kde apps do crash now :)
[08:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: maybe just a rebuild against is needed... or we need to patch... dunno
[08:15] <Tm_T> hmm, no Qt 4.6 before Karmic+1 ?
[08:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I don't think so
[08:23] <jussi01> Tm_T: you can call it Lucid now :D
[08:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: I cannot
[08:25] <jussi01> ?
[08:26] <Tm_T> my what-you-call-brain doesn't allow it somehow
[08:27] <Tm_T> Tonio_: aye, seems like I might try to backport then when it's time
[08:28] <Tonio_> yup :)
[08:28]  * Tm_T goes back to hunting this kwin crash
[08:29] <mgraesslin> Tm_T: I was unable to reproduce :-(
[08:30] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: roger, all trunk there?
[08:30] <Tm_T> mgraesslin: I finally should have build done, so I'll kick session up in a few minutes
[08:31] <mgraesslin> great
[08:45] <Tm_T> what's the situation of translations in Karmic? all works fine?
[08:46] <nixternal> oi oi!
[08:49] <jussi01> nixternal: did you notice waves are back?
[08:49] <jussi01> .d
[08:58] <nixternal> jussi01: yes, I wrote a Google Wave Robot to interact with bug trackers, right now only LP works, but I will hopefully implement the rest tomorrow :)
[09:01] <nixternal> on that note, it is time to go to bed... g'nite all! see you in like 6 hours \o/
[09:28] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: technically the qt patch changes what needs change...
[09:29] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: as soon as the drag icon starts, it segfaults, which means I touched what needs to be touched :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> also qt builds, which is good
[09:29] <Tonio_> there is just a little thing to fix I guess, I'll try to read the backtrace
[09:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: maybe kde components just need rebuid since I changed .h files...
[09:30] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I can't get qt apps to crash
[09:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: they certainly need rebuild...
[09:32] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll put everything in my ppa and we'll see :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: although it seems to fix correctly in kmail :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> just dolphin crashes in fact
[10:08] <Riddell> another sunny day
[10:08] <jussi01> :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I ask for your help regarding to the qt patch I'm trying to write ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works at some points, I'm not tht far to get something that works....
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: just.... I'm stick right now
[11:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, am I likely to  know the qt codebase any better than you?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll send an email to lubos
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: he fixed for qt3, and the patch is probably right now just incomplete.... I hope he'll accept to help
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: email gone... maybe with some chance he'll help :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: you may not know it better than me, but are a far more accurate coder :)
[11:25] <neversfelde> Riddell: no, but I can do it
[11:29] <Riddell> neversfelde: would be rocking if you did, do you know where to find it?
[11:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[11:30] <neversfelde> Riddell: I tried building kid3 twoo times locally and there was no problem, I don't know what to do?
[11:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: let me try
[11:33] <neversfelde> Riddell: if you need to reupload it, upstream suggested a change for debian/rules http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/288511/
[12:09] <Riddell> nookie^: how about doing a horizontal version of your release image to go in the banner space?
[12:15] <Riddell> neversfelde: missing backslash of doom http://paste.ubuntu.com/288533/
[12:16] <neversfelde> Riddell: oh, thanks for your help
[12:23] <nookie^> Riddell: where do u plan to have that horizontal image?
[12:23] <nookie^> and is it size 250x50?
[12:26] <Riddell> nookie^: well same place as the banner is now
[12:28] <nookie^> Riddell: im not sure im following you sry.. we have an image there already the banner i did?
[12:28] <nookie^> do u want a final release image? like Kubuntu 9.10 released or something?
[12:29] <Riddell> nookie^: right
[12:29] <Riddell> nookie^: you did a square 9.10 released but it might  be useful to  have it as a banner
[12:29] <nookie^> Riddell: yeah sure im sure i can come up with something
[12:30] <nookie^> Riddell: btw that banner is not correct in place in FF3.5 on mac and ie7 on windows
[12:39] <Riddell> nookie^: I'm sure ryanakca would love any fixes :)
[12:43] <nookie^> Riddell: hehe
[12:43] <nookie^> ryanakca: ping?
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what's the problem with qt4 in the archives ? I was able to build it in a ppa with no problem
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, it is yet to  reach the top of my  todo list
[12:45] <Tonio_> kk
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing right now...
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect there is something going wrong in the source package...
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only difference between this one and the one sent on my ppa is that I rebuilt the source package
[13:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: qt4 builds in a pbuilder chroot and a ppa...
[13:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't get why it fails in the buildd
[13:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm restarting the build on launchpad, just to be sure there wasn't a temp issue
[13:50]  * txwikinger_work is looking forward to the Canadian winter... still too hot to bicycle to work :D
[13:52]  * txwikinger_work really likes the new kmail in karmic !!!
[14:04] <rgreening> agateau: so indicator still does not work for me this morning. And not, kopete (in addition to kmail) do not show up in the indicator
[14:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: qt still broken
[14:04] <Riddell> rgreening: what version of plasma-widget-indicatordisplay do you have?
[14:05] <rgreening> Im up to date as of 5 minutes ago.. but Ill check...
[14:05] <Riddell> you want 0.4.1-0ubuntu2
[14:05] <rgreening> oh... that's not in main yet
[14:06] <Riddell> one two one two
[14:06] <Riddell> groovy, new keyboard, no more double spaces or random carrage returns, any typos are now my own
[14:06] <rgreening> I show 0.4.0-0ubuntu1
[14:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I just saw that...
[14:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's due to the buildd somehow, I just tested in a pbuilder chroot and it works like a charm
[14:11] <rgreening> Riddell: I have to update arora with two fixes... will you be able to upload after I have tested/built local
[14:12] <rgreening> Riddell: fixes are: http://bit.ly/yqz8P and http://bit.ly/8ON5P
[14:15] <nixternal> oh I am so damn tired
[14:16] <nixternal> I ended up falling asleep about 05:00 and waking up at 07:30 :/
[14:16] <rgreening> nixternal: my snoring wake you?
[14:16] <rgreening> I didnt have to cuddle
[14:16] <rgreening> :)
[14:16] <nixternal> I think it did
[14:17] <nixternal> I woke up missing a sock too
[14:17] <rgreening> lol
[14:17] <nixternal> that's a lie, I hate wearing socks when I don't have to :)
[14:18] <nixternal> time to go pick up my sis, and grab a pumpkin spice latte from starbucks
[14:18] <txwikinger_work> nixternal: you need to get some sleep ;)
[14:32] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: What up with kne dude
[14:33] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm?
[14:34] <davmor2> Riddell: makes it harder to test when it doesn't exist
[14:35] <Riddell> rgreening: can do, let me know if you have a debdiff or whatever
[14:44] <rgreening> patching now then testing
[14:58] <rgreening> Riddell: arora built/installed/tested locally. New patches work execellent
[14:59] <Riddell> rgreening: groovy, do you have a debdiff?
[14:59] <rgreening> 1 sec
[15:00] <rgreening> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/arora_0.10.1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz
[15:01] <rgreening> Riddell: actually not a debdiff
[15:01] <Riddell> rgreening: nope, got the .dsc?
[15:01] <rgreening> I uploaded to my PPA
[15:01] <rgreening> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/arora_0.10.1-0ubuntu3.dsc
[15:02] <rgreening> Riddell: that ok?
[15:02] <Riddell> sorted
[15:02] <rgreening> cool. ty
[15:03] <rgreening> Riddell: I think with qt 4.6, kde4.4, arora coul dhave a chance as a default browser...
[15:03] <rgreening> now that it has adblock, wallet, etc.. but is currently missing java and moonlight/silverlight doesn't work in it
[15:03] <mcas_> Riddell: do you work on the kubuntu-docs?
[15:04] <Riddell> mcas_: that's mostly nixternal's doing
[15:04] <mcas_> ah ok
[15:04] <mcas_> thx Riddell
[15:04] <mcas_> nixternal: ping
[15:08] <nixternal> hola
[15:08] <nixternal> anyone want to go over http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.10.01/kubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-beta-released-everyone-needed/#comment-5383 <- listed some valid issues I feel (except for Firefox by default)
[15:09] <nixternal> mcas_: pong
[15:09] <mcas_> hi nixternal
[15:09] <nixternal> howdy
[15:09] <mcas_> is it to late for bugs in kubuntu-docs?
[15:09] <nixternal> unfortunately so, though you can still file them and they will get fixed for Lucid
[15:09] <mcas_> hmpf
[15:10] <nixternal> though for Lucid, my plans that I hope I can do, is totally rewrite the docs from scratch, because right now they are shite at best
[15:10] <mcas_> everytime to late ;-)
[15:10] <nixternal> I had 0 time in karmic to work on them, and I hope that isn't the issue for Lucid
[15:11] <mcas_> perhaps i can help you out for lucid
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> digikam is sorta hefty for a by-default application
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> the marble dependency is huge
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: where is it by default?
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's not, this is in refernce to the comment in nixternal's blog
[15:12] <Riddell> we did have it on the CD once but it's too big as you say
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> As for 4. in the comment nixternal linked to, the lancelot developer has expressed his wishes that lancelot not be made default, plus it's sorta RAM-hungry for a default menu
[15:14] <rgreening> Lancelot os slower then the KDE default menu in my tests (visual). And quite chunky. I have no issue with the current menu. No slowness.
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> 6. KMenuEdit sucks, it was mostly just ported to KDE4 w/ KDE3 support
[15:15] <rgreening> We could do a Blueprint for Lucid for KMenuEditor update and push upstream...
[15:15] <rgreening> should be easy enough...
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> We don't really have enough manpower to properly mainttain all the applications we currently maintain
[15:15] <Riddell> right
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> I really can't see us taking on very many more
[15:16] <Riddell> a menu editor seems to be surprisingly hard to do, KDE and Gnome have both struggled
[15:17] <rgreening> THe idea would be push upstream.. make kmenuedit not suck :)
[15:17] <rgreening> they are only .desktop files....
[15:17] <rgreening> and a couple of xml files
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> easy enough to list, but allowing the user to modify every last detail of the menu makes things surprisingly more complicated
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> things can get out of sync when new apps get installed
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> stale entries stay after apps are removed
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> hard to do properly, to say the least
[15:19] <rgreening> true.. the same issues had plagued windows too... last I used it. so it would be no different :)
[15:20] <rgreening> agateau: OMG! indicator working much better now :)
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> kmenuedit did get two crasher fixes for 4.3.2 though
[15:20] <agateau> rgreening: party \o/
[15:21] <agateau> rgreening: pushed fixed for the scrollbar bugs, btw
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> back in a bit
[15:21] <rgreening> cool. this is much better now agateau
[15:21] <agateau> rgreening: need to release a new tarball, but since I am on limited-work mode (aka paternity leave) this will have to wait for tomorrow
[15:22] <rgreening> agateau: np. For Lucid, we need to get akregator added in :)
[15:22] <agateau> rgreening: I think I remember you mentionning this, yes :)
[15:23] <agateau> kids want me now, have to go
[15:25] <steveire> Does anyone know what version of the Akonadi server will be distributed with karmic?
[15:28] <steveire> Seems that PasteHelper::paste has some bugs.
[15:28] <steveire> oops.
[15:30] <steveire> I don't get any sound when playing sounds in karmic. AFAICS nothing is muted. Are there known sound problems in it?
[15:35] <Riddell> steveire: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi says 1.2.1-0ubuntu1
[15:36] <Riddell> steveire: sound is working good here, the usual practice is to remove pulseaudio
[15:37] <steveire> Aptitude tells me it's not installed already. I guess it's not installed by default?
[15:38] <Riddell> no, only by gnome stuff should you install that later
[15:38] <Riddell> we probably have a page on how to debug sound issues, dtchen is likely to know
[15:40] <steveire> I notice that's not the latests Akonadi. I made a change in trunk recently that I'd like to see in karmic. Will that version be updated if we make a new release? I'm not sure how distros handle the kdesupport stuff.
[15:41] <Riddell> steveire: we take our version from http://download.akonadi-project.org/
[15:41] <Riddell> steveire: if you have a patch we can add that easily enough
[15:42] <steveire> It will be in the next tagged/released version anyway I guess.
[15:42] <Riddell> steveire: a new version would work too but it would have to be strictly bugfixes only as we're in deep feature freeze
[15:42] <Riddell> steveire: but it would have to be toot sweet, we release in three weeks
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> final freeze is in about a week too
[15:43] <Riddell> right
[15:43] <Riddell> steveire: but give us the patch and a good description of what it does and we'll get it in
[15:44] <steveire> http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/kdesupport/akonadi/server/src/handler/fetchhelper.cpp?r1=1032262&r2=1032261&pathrev=1032262
[15:44] <steveire> It makes the closing brace of a literal be followed by CRLF instead of just LF
[15:45] <Riddell> a patch so simple even I can understand it :)
[15:45] <steveire> The code in kdepimlibs/akonadi already handles both cases, but a stricter imap parser requires that it is CRLF
[15:45] <Riddell> there was me worried it would need some kdepim genius to read it
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> "the kdepim runes say..."
[15:46] <steveire> Well the patch is so simple it's dangerous. Don't underestimate the simple ones.
[15:46] <steveire> Are there patches in kubuntu for kdepimlibs/akonadi?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> iirc those are pretty pristine
[15:47] <Riddell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdepimlibs/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/  nothing in kdepimlibs
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> for akonadi we only have what debian patched
[15:47] <Riddell> yep http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/patches/
[15:49]  * Riddell adds steveire's patch to akonadi
[15:50] <steveire> Oh, sorry, not kdepimlibs/akonadi. Are there any to the server? As long as server/src/imapsteamparser.cpp ::hasLiteral looks something like : http://dpaste.com/104337/ it's all good.
[15:51]  * steveire does an apt-get source to check
[15:51] <Riddell> steveire: no patches to the server, just the ones to the build system at http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/patches/
[15:53] <steveire> Ok, the hasLiteral there should be fine anyway. Cheers.
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could we get a sync for soundkonverter? Debian picked up a fix we made to our packages and it'd be nice to have it autosync next cycle
[15:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ok
[15:54] <Riddell> steveire: but we still need your patch?
[15:54] <steveire> Yep
[15:55] <steveire> I was just checking that the end that reads the data does not expect the buggy behaviour.
[15:56] <Riddell> steveire: there's no such file fetchhelper.cpp in akonadi 1.2.1
[15:57] <Riddell> looks like it's fetch.cpp
[15:58] <steveire> Yes, line 332 it seems.
[16:02] <Riddell> steveire: groovy, uploaded
[16:02] <steveire> Cool. I'll test when it comes back down the pipes.
[16:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sync done
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:06] <ScottK> davmor2: Thanks for noticing.  Respining KNE now.
[16:07] <Riddell> ScottK: did the netbook discussion on kde-promo get anywhere?
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  I got some feedback that I need to digest and send out some proposed info to Kubuntu Devel.
[16:08] <ScottK> Having the click through warning come back was part of the results from that discussion.
[16:09] <Riddell> yeah that's on my todo
[16:22] <Riddell> anyone left on jaunty?
[16:26] <Nightrose2> Riddell: me
[16:28] <Riddell> Nightrose2: could you test plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[16:28] <ScottK> Riddell: My wife and kid's computers are Jaunty, so if it's something low risk I can try it (they are both 4.2.4.)
[16:28] <Riddell> Nightrose2: from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[16:28] <ScottK> (those are both desktops though, so no wireless)
[16:28] <Riddell> ScottK: best to test wireless
[16:28] <Nightrose2> Riddell: i left my netbook at university :/
[16:29] <Nightrose2> can only test on desktop
[16:29] <Riddell> well desktop is better than nothing
[16:29] <Nightrose2> k
[16:29] <Nightrose2> anything I should check for?
[16:29]  * ScottK needs to go run errands so perhaps a bit later
[16:30] <Riddell> Nightrose2: if it connects to the network :)
[16:30] <Riddell> Nightrose2: you'll need to run "knetworkmanager"
[16:30] <Riddell> and quit the plasma applet
[16:30] <Nightrose2> already running that
[16:31]  * Nightrose2 downloads package
[16:32] <rickspencer3eee> Riddell: I saw some bug mail about bug 443335 ... if you implemented the page that the default home page searches as a configurable option, that = brilliant
[16:32] <Riddell> call me brilliant baby
[16:33] <rickspencer3eee> this is just for the search box embedded in that page, right?
[16:33] <Riddell> yes
[16:33] <rickspencer3eee> Riddell is brilliant :)
[16:34] <Nightrose2> we knew that already ;-)
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Don't forget you were going to announce it ....
[16:34] <Nightrose2> but he probably likes to hear it from time to time :D
[16:34] <ScottK> (brilliant, but with a long TODO)
[16:34] <Riddell> ScottK: I have a blog planned, or would you prefer kubuntu-devel ?
[16:35] <rickspencer3eee> I can only imagine the blog title:
[16:35] <rickspencer3eee> rickspencer3, evil desktop overlord, forces crass commercial features into sweet community distro
[16:35] <rickspencer3eee> his email address is:
[16:35] <rickspencer3eee> his home phone number is:
[16:35] <rickspencer3eee> :)
[16:37] <Riddell> anybody left on hardy?
[16:38] <Nightrose2> rickspencer3eee: ohh Riddell wouldn't be _that_ mean ;-)
[16:38] <Nightrose2> he'd be more snealy
[16:38] <Nightrose2> *sneaky
[16:40] <davmor2> ScottK: it was cronjob that noticed ;) I just read it and thought WTF!
[16:42] <txwikinger_work> hardy?
[16:42] <Nightrose2> Riddell: i need to update to 4.3.2 first
[16:42] <Nightrose2> that will take a while
[16:42] <txwikinger_work> I might have a server HD somewhere with hardy on it :D
[16:43] <Riddell> it was a long shot
[16:43]  * txwikinger_work did a do-release-upgrade last night
[16:43] <txwikinger_work> the only problem was openoffice
[16:48] <rgreening> calling rickspencer3eee evil would be like calling Gumby satan. rickspencer3eee is more like cheer bear :)
[17:14] <markey> hmm, what does this mean:
[17:14] <markey> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_chromium-daily_ppa_ubuntu_dists_karmic_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[17:14] <markey> can I remove the Chromium PPA now?
[17:16] <tsimpson> markey: it means that you have that repository repeated somewhere in your sources
[17:16] <Riddell> ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-netbook-intro.txt
[17:24] <markey> tsimpson: sure, but I've checked, it's not repeated
[17:24] <markey> it's why I'm wondering :)
[17:24] <Riddell> markey: not hidden in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is it?
[17:24] <tsimpson> check in /etc/apt/sources.list and in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:25] <markey> ah, ok
[17:25] <markey> indeed
[17:25] <markey> chromium-daily-ppa-karmic.list
[17:25] <markey> where does this come from?
[17:25] <tsimpson> it may come from a package/script if not from you
[17:26] <markey> ok
[17:26] <markey> so I can remove the other custom PPA for Chromium I guess
[17:26] <tsimpson> yeah
[17:26] <markey> thanks
[17:27] <markey> is there any chance that ubuntu might one day a technique for hot-swapping kernels?
[17:27] <markey> the reboots are my greatest issue with kubuntu currently
[17:27] <markey> there's KSplice for hotswapping
[17:27] <markey> one day use*
[17:28] <markey> you basically have to reboot every day when using a pre-release
[17:28] <markey> you could argue, "but it's a pre-release!"
[17:29] <markey> but more and more people are doing this
[17:29] <Riddell> you can ignore the reboot notification?
[17:29] <markey> they make my feel like I'm being naughty :)
[17:29] <markey> like I'm ignoring something important
[17:30] <Riddell> I'll turn it into a noticiation one day which you can click "yay or nay" on
[17:30]  * Riddell patches kdelibs for dfaure again
[17:31] <tsimpson> I have heard of ways for hot-swapping a kernel, but I'm not sure how well tested/robust it is and what any consequences are (if any)
[17:31] <markey> not sure about the robustness
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> speaking of notifications, does anybody want to test my new notifier? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+junk/update-helper-notifier
[17:31] <markey> they were intended for servers, so I assume it's robust
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> testing/code review welcome
[17:32] <markey> anyway, brb, reboot ;)
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> it still needs to keep track of what upgrade hooks it's diplayed and there is a problem with the upgrade hook notifications coming up twice, but otherwise it notifies of needed reboots, apport crashes and upgrade hooks
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> ...and I need to figure out how to get running upgrade hook commands working
[17:36] <markey> also, is there a way to disable Apport completely?
[17:36] <markey> I've followed all the guides on the net
[17:36] <Riddell> markey: rm /etc/default/apport
[17:36] <markey> but there still comes a ksudo when something crashes, for Apport
[17:36] <markey> ok
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> for that you can sudo apt-get remove apport-kde
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> update-notifier-kde looks for the executable and notifies if is found to be present
[17:40] <markey> ok cheers, did that
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> you can test by: killall --signal SEGV systemsettings
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> assuming systemsettings is open, of course ;-)
[17:42] <markey> I know how to test it, thanks :)
[17:42] <markey> works fine, now Dr Konqi comes up
[17:42] <markey> I prefer it
[17:43]  * JontheEchidna too
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it'd be a good idea to have a checkbox in apport-kde that would disable apport and let dr konqi come in
[17:43] <markey> I think so
[17:43] <markey> that would be nice
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> I'd be glad if we didn't use apport for crashes at all. It's not like we have enough people to triage all the upstream crashes we get for all of KDE.
[17:44] <markey> well I can understand the desire to collect good crash information from users
[17:44] <markey> but apport seems a bit.. cumbersome
[17:44] <markey> Dr Konqi is nice and simple
[17:46] <tsimpson> the problem is that Dr Konqi doesn't work without debugging symbols
[17:46] <tsimpson> which are stripped from all packages
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> half the time apport fails to retrace incomplete reports anyway
[17:47]  * JontheEchidna is not a fan
[17:47] <tsimpson> still better than 100% with no traces
[17:47] <tsimpson> it's not perfect (or even good), but it's something
[17:50] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: btw i fixed u-n-k to check /etc/default/apport
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> when they do retrace, most of the time they are either already reported upstream or rot in Launchpad until the user doesn't feel like providing status updates anymore
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> I mean, there have been a few times when apport-provided backtraces have lead to the resolution of an upstream bug
[17:50] <yuriy> hmm if retracing is failing that needs to be fixed, do apport people know about this?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> I think I pinged pitti back in the 8.10 days, and things have gotten somewhat better
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> it's still not reliable though
[17:54] <yuriy> markey: can you elaborate on "cumbersome"?
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> It's very hard if you just want to get a backtrace
[17:55] <markey> yuriy: I just don't like it
[17:55] <markey> I need the backtrace
[17:56] <markey> as a developer
[17:56] <markey> the rest is not of interest
[17:57] <yuriy> so, as a developer. it's certainly very user oriented. what if we added a -with-crash-handler option to apps to reenable dr konqi for development?
[18:00] <markey> yuriy: adding to that, Dr Konqi has always been a part of KDE
[18:00] <markey> I don't think it's nice to disable it in Kubuntu
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> Development releases aren't targetted at users, so why should the crash handler be? Dr. Konqi should fit the usecase of a distro tester and/or developer just fine
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> Until we can build up a proper triage team that can handle all upstream crash reports in Kubuntu, I'd advocate not using apport for crash reporting in development releases, instead reporting them to KDE via Dr. Konqi
[18:01] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: has it been a major burden?
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> we have around 1.5 people trying to triage 4,000 bugs
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> most of them are just pumpkins waiting around for upstream to fix that we wouldn't backport anyways
[18:03]  * markey knows how hard this is, although Amarok gets much less than that
[18:03] <yuriy> so there are actually fewer people triaging now than there were a year ago?
[18:03] <markey> it's still a giant flood
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger triages when he can, and I am really the only full time triager
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> recently nixternal has taken an interest
[18:03] <sci> i can't resume using the "alt+shift+f12" shortcut for resume compositing mode
[18:04] <sci> kubuntu 9.10 beta + update
[18:04] <sci> it's bug?
[18:05] <yuriy> markey: do you find downstream bugs a significant issue in b.k.o?
[18:05] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I didn't take an interest in triaging...just got bored one night :)
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> we should get you bored more often
[18:07] <markey> yuriy: depends on how they are reported. our biggest issues are dupes and missing debug symbols
[18:07] <markey> the signal/noise ratio is very bad
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> out of the 20 apport crashes in our bug tracker, 0 are upstream: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bugs?field.tag=apport-crash
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> a lot of them may still be marked as private, meaning absolutely no work done at all
[18:08] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I think it's better that reports go through apport and LP for various reasons, including that upstreams don't get bugs that are ours and that apport is actively developed, as well as higher quality reports over all with auto retracing.  That's all good *if* we can handle the traffic, which we decided last summer we probably can and would try it out.  If that has changed, this should be reconsidered for Lucid @ UDS
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> In the case of crashes, we rarely have downstream crashes
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> definitely not worth piping every upstream bug through our system to grab
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> for example, we have had about 1 or 2 crashes that were our fault through this whole cycle. The most recent one looked like every other apport report so I filed it upstream since the backtrace was good
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> Turns out an indicator patch was causing kontact to crash on startup if you had search folders
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> so it didn't stop it from getting reported upstream anyways, and the upstream bug got dupes from users anyways
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Most of what I do is find an upstream report for a bug a user has reported to launchpad, then close it when we release a KDE release with a fix
[18:19] <yuriy> i'll write up a pros/cons thing for discussion at uds when i have time.  meanwhile, we should hold more bug days or something to recruit
[18:19] <yuriy> the lack of manpower is the real problem
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> in general, not just limited to bug manpower
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> but then it's always been a problem...
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> (in general, probably for every FOSS project)
[18:20] <yuriy> sure in general, but that seems to have gotten worse
[18:21] <yuriy> you are doing a great job and things are in great shape, but spreading the work would be ++
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> of course :)
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> we need new blood
[18:23] <yuriy> so.. ideas for a bug day?
[18:24] <yuriy> would hate to throw newbies at kdepim
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> kdepim... that's a mess both here and upstream. upstream constantly has bugdays for that one
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> amarok could use some love
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> it has almost as many bugs as kdebase
[18:26] <yuriy> ok so say we hold one, tentatively next wednesday if i make the page over the weekend, and you and apachelogger throttle a little -- try to mentor more than do and see what/who we get
[18:32] <rgreening> Im for helping with bugs... problem is I just don't know how to properly tag half the time...
[18:33] <rgreening> we need some docs, taining/tutorial/refresher and then hold regular bug days.
[18:33] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[18:37] <Nightrose> pkg-kde-tools is being held back by apt - if i tell it to install it wants to remove thos: apport-retrace build-essential cdbs debhelper devscripts dpkg-dev lintian ubuntu-dev-toolstrace
[18:37] <Nightrose> anyone know what's up there?
[19:01] <Mamarok> ok, two problems:
[19:02] <Mamarok> there is no splash screen in Amarok 2.2 final and everytime I change desktop there is an animation, where can I get rid of that?
[19:02] <bmunger> yea the animation is annoying
[19:03] <Mamarok> erxtremely, it's huge and stays for 2 seconds everytime I switch
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: ^do you know where that is?
[19:13] <bmunger> the other part of the multiple desktops is that it affects the cube desktop effect if the pager has the desktops layout in 2x2.. it messes up.  if you set it to 1x4 it works as it should, but it takes more taskbar space
[19:17] <Quintasan|Szel> hiho
[19:20] <rgreening> o/
[19:39] <apachelogger> yo
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> \o
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the blog is good, but that you should send mail to Kubuntu Devel/Users to point people at it.
[20:25] <yuriy> :O why are they upgrading core X stuff now
[20:25] <ScottK> Because this is when it was ready.
[20:32] <rgreening> yay
[20:32] <rgreening> \o/ me was waiting for it
[20:32]  * JontheEchidna sees if he can stop using vesa now
[20:32] <rgreening> Intel 2.9.0 drm 2.4.14 Mesa 7.6 whee
[20:32] <rgreening> Now I can try the Unigine demo on my intel
[20:43] <rgreening> nope. Unigine still no work with latest X updates.. I think it needs kernel 2.6.32
[20:43] <rgreening> dang
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> intel still broken on my machine
[20:45] <rgreening> broken in what way?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> drm fails to do some shit, results in it using a software rasterizer that is slower than vesa
[20:45] <rgreening> ouch
[20:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Bug reported, I assume?
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> reporting now, for one reason or another I have not been able to so far
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> whether it be any form of apport failure or not having the proper logs
[20:48] <ScottK> OK, well the Ubuntu X guys are really focused on bug reports right now, so this is a good time.
[20:49] <yuriy> yeah mine seems a little strange. just upgraded (including to 4.3.2) and i get the nvidia logo, then terminal for a while, then ksplash
[20:55]  * Lure thinks it is funny to see kubuntu's but triage overlord not submitting his own bugs
[20:56]  * JontheEchidna blames apport
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> and also due to the nature of the bug it's quite hard to get info without losing sanity
[20:58] <Lure> JontheEchidna: I have just installed apport-gtk for the time -kde was not working - apport-gtk is preffered anyhow
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> for a while there apport-cli was busted too
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> I did file a bug report for that ;-)
[21:46] <ScottK> Any volunteers to go talk to upstream abou the patch in Bug #432521?  Ubuntu X people are officially too busy.
[21:48] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys, there was no changes to netbook was there?
[21:48] <DarkwingDuck> I'm having an issue where my icons in the menu and my favs have vanished
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> hmm... kdeqt.po only fixes part of the menu shortcuts in kde apps
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> I suppose non-Qt-standard shortcuts wouldn't come from kdeqt.po
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> w/ latest langpack updates knetworkmanager is fully translated :)
[22:09] <Riddell> yay
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> no luck with kpackagekit yet
[22:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you get any reply from dpm or arne?
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> not yet
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> "Shift" for keyboard shortcuts seems untranslated still. I can't tell if the others would be since crtl and alt are the same in spanish and english
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> it shows up translated in both kdelibs and kdeqt so I have no clue why it isn't translated
[22:20] <Nookie^> ryanakca: ping?
[22:22] <ryanakca> Nookie^: pong
[22:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: did koffice get anywhere?
[22:25] <Nookie^> ryanakca: i have discovered something with the counter
[22:25] <Nookie^> if u press on it then the page will update
[22:25] <Nookie^> but then it's not getting in correct place back again
[22:26] <Nookie^> can u remove the link in the counter then it would not be clickable and the bug will be gone
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> This is too crazy
[22:28] <ryanakca> Nookie^: Yes
[22:28] <Nookie^> ryanakca: great!
[23:06] <Mamarok> is the desktop changing animation Ku buntu specific or is this KDE?
[23:06] <Riddell> Mamarok: which part?  the large popup arrow?
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> there's an option for the popup in KWin's config, so it is upstream, but it's only on by default in Kubuntu
[23:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the popup?
[23:15] <Mamarok> ok, as this is getting on my nerves, everytime I change desktop this animation shows up for two seconds
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^that
[23:16] <Riddell> I think it's Tonio_'s doing
[23:16] <DarkwingDuck> It reminded me of the little dang paperclip that used to be in MS Office
[23:17] <Mamarok> oh, and btw, do you guys know that System Settings is crashing all the time?
[23:17] <Mamarok> it didn't in Jaunty with KDE 4.3.2
[23:18] <Riddell> there's a crash in regional that should be fixed by now
[23:19] <Riddell> I can't even work out how to get more than one virtual desktop to test it
[23:19] <Mamarok> no, what happens is that the App gets "lost" the first time you start it and one has to kill systemsettings first to get it working
[23:20] <Mamarok> and the regional is fixed, yes
[23:20] <Mamarok> still, I have to try twice to have systemsettings working, with a 'killall systemsettings' in between
[23:21] <Mamarok> nut maybe I should just restart with that kernel revision of today
[23:21] <Mamarok> but*
[23:24] <Riddell> can't say I've heard of that system settings issue
[23:24] <Riddell> it probably needs gdb to debug it
[23:27] <Mamarok> hm, I will restart tomorrow and chek out
[23:29] <Mamarok> hm, that animation is tenacious, can't get ridd of it, where in Kwin is that?
[23:29] <Mamarok> really annoying, takes away 2 seconds of your time everytime
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: "popup desktop name on desktop switch" in the "Window Behavior" section
[23:33] <valgaav> Mamarok : systemsettings works ok for me... on the other hand I'm stuck with english kde no metter what I do :P
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> for some reason it was unchecked. I guess the kcm doesn't read the config value?
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> valgaav: the langpack builders ran out of space and shipped mostly-empty language packs. Updates should be available in the very near future if they aren't already available
[23:34] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: well, that's not even there, I don't have desktop effects activated
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> it's not a desktop effect, it's in the first section of the "Window Behavior" module
[23:35] <valgaav> yeah I found a fixed launchpad bug about it so I thought it should work already
[23:35] <Mamarok> that's deactivated here
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> right, that's a bug with the config module
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> click it twice then hit apply, and the animation of doom should go away
[23:37] <Mamarok> oh, it's actually the "Desktop navigation wraps around" option
[23:37] <Tonio_> Mamarok: any problem with desktop changing animation ?
[23:37] <Mamarok> Tonio_: that should really be deactivated, I switch desktop and once I have swithced I get that animation for 2 seconds
[23:38] <Mamarok> takes unnecessary time from my work
[23:38] <Tonio_> Mamarok: which one ? the window that appears with an arrow in it ?
[23:39] <Mamarok> Tonio_: yes, that one, it's "Desktop navigation wraps around" in the Windows Behaviour
[23:39] <Tonio_> it's only half a second here, and nobody appart from you complained about that....
[23:39] <yuriy> i did notice it's a little annoying
[23:39] <yuriy> but it's not up for 2 seconds either
[23:39] <Tonio_> Mamarok: the thing is I think it's nice fopr most people
[23:39] <Mamarok> well, it appears onyl *after* the switch is done, and lasts for, well let's say one second, still annoying
[23:39] <Tonio_> Mamarok: only half a second here....
[23:40] <Mamarok> annoying notheless
[23:40] <yuriy> umm i just shut down and my screen turned a very interesting purple color
[23:40] <Tonio_> Mamarok: not that I don't want to disable this... but it looks like most people are happy with this
[23:40] <Mamarok> Tonio_: I don't see the point of it neither, since those people who use more than two destops (I use 8) know where their stuff lays
[23:41] <Tonio_> Mamarok: I'd like to get more opinions on that point before makng a decision
[23:41] <Mamarok> might be usefull for noobs, but only in the beginning
[23:41] <yuriy> Tonio_: was the idea to help people new to multiple desktops get the ida?
[23:41] <yuriy> idea
[23:42] <Tonio_> yuriy: yep that the point
[23:42] <Tonio_> notifying them so that they know they are changing desktop
[23:43]  * Tonio_ thinks he'd better go sleep and discuss all of this tomorow :)
[23:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know if there's a bug for packagekit translations being broken?
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: there is, sec
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 425373
[23:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Quassel now has Dr. Konqi support which translates to apport support on Kubuntu.  I'll upload something soonish