=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:15] Riddell: how come so few kubuntu devs this time around? [00:16] shtylman: at UDS? 5 is what we normally get [00:16] really? [00:16] seemed like we had more last time... [00:16] maybe not [00:17] well there's me and agateau too [00:17] shtylman: lmao @ link [00:18] gotcha [00:19] yuriy: im thinking about buying it ... to have instead of 'man ping' ;p [00:19] argh my clipboard broke [00:20] UI's done: http://imagebin.ca/view/wXRLd4f.html , http://imagebin.ca/view/OALol1x.html [00:21] Just need to support the displayIf and DontDisplayAfterReboot fields, then get the commands working [00:22] JontheEchidna: are you keeping that notification you linked to before? seems needlessly vague [00:22] yuriy: yeah, click "details" and then that dialog pops up [00:22] if there's only one hook it's a plain ol' kdialog [00:23] neversfelde: don't suppose you've packaged the koffice beta? [00:23] I don't see why anyone would be compelled to click on that notification to get the dialog [00:23] why would anyone click the systray icon we had before to get a dialog? :P [00:24] I could try to do it with a notification rather than the kdialog [00:24] but there's the issue of multiple hooks [00:24] but then I suppose I could just fire multiple notifications at once [00:24] * JontheEchidna thinks out loud [00:27] Still under 500 lines of code :) [00:28] oh jeez, my 7 year old sister is complaining about getting asked the key every time she logs in for GNOME's NM applet [00:36] well, that is annoying :P [00:38] yeah, even 7 year olds agree [00:38] NetworkMangler sucks :P [00:39] With our kubuntu laptop running 8.10 all she has to do is click the network from knetworkmanager [00:39] but she has trouble remembering the key [00:39] but the kubuntu laptop's screen is broken [00:42] wow.. upgrade to karmic download takes 10 hours [00:43] i thin knetworkmanager makes you do that too === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:24] reports of progress http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/virtuoso/ [01:41] progress to what? [01:41] The virtuoso soprano backend [01:41] sounds fancy [01:41] more free than the sesame2 backend and faster than the redland backend [01:42] cool [01:42] is it faster than the sesame2 backend? [01:43] being slow wasn't one if sesame2's problems, so dunno [01:44] plus I never really used sesame2 or redland [01:45] I don't use desktop search :/ [01:45] I know where my files are...I put them there :) [01:46] right [01:46] nothing a grep can't find if I forget [01:46] indeed [01:51] bug #424078 [01:51] Launchpad bug 424078 in fedora "Display is shifted to the left!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424078 [01:52] isn't that usually when you adjust your monitor to not be so far to the left? [01:54] ~seen rgreening [01:54] rgreening was last seen 4 hours, 3 minutes and 1 second ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection) and a while before saying "hehe" [01:58] hehe [02:18] Tonio_: Have you gotten a chance to look over k-n-d-s yet? I'm afraid the default fonts in Konqeuror are too big. [02:26] Apparently old revisions of quassel packages were taking up 5% of my hard drive. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:24] So, did we include the right one: http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/118 [03:26] bug #442079 [03:26] just playin' ignore me [03:26] Launchpad bug 442079 in netbook-launcher "icons unsorted and overlapping" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442079 [03:27] god dammit shit! ... sorry I just realized that some of the dumb ass problems with go-oo filepicker were caused by some old code that created a KMainWindow on the stack! in a function...so obviously when it was deleted and destructor called some otehr variables were set!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [03:29] shtylman: Congratulations. [03:31] now exec works as it is supposed to! which also means that drag and drop to side bar works [03:32] but still no text in oxygen style!! (cries) [03:32] sooo close... [03:38] shtylman: How would you feel about me changing the bug from critical to high? [03:38] You have made significant progress. [03:38] um... I would say no.. because progress is independent of the "importance" of the bug [03:39] hopefully I will get a bit more tonight and update the bug list/report with progress and where it all stands [03:39] OK === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [03:41] hmm progress is good. i'm out of ideas on apport-kde -- have people with hangs and two different crashes. great. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:41] and one of those crashes is in userconfig and jockey-kde too [03:58] ScottK: if we get 1.0.2 in we'll have the right one. [03:58] OK. Good. [03:58] I have an FFe bug open with 1.0.1 packging that I meant to throw at vorian [03:58] Did I ack it already? [03:58] yo! === heHATEme is now known as vorian [03:59] There he is. [03:59] Nope [03:59] I'd need to bump it to 1.0.2 first anyways [03:59] JontheEchidna: Stick it at him now. [03:59] bug number please [03:59] o/ [03:59] hallo! [03:59] rgreening: btw, did you see that kcm_touchpad project on kde-look? [04:00] i'm 3 weeks away from closing on our house, and all will be normal again [04:00] * ScottK tries to figure the symbolic nature of vorian asks for a bug number and rgreening raises his hand. [04:00] vorian: bug 432725, need to update it to 1.0.2 [04:00] Launchpad bug 432725 in kmymoney2 "[FFe] New upstream release (kmymoney2 1.0.1)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432725 [04:00] I'll do so tomorrow [04:00] rgreening: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kcm_touchpad?content=113335 [04:00] is the 4.3.2 all done? [04:01] I think so [04:01] yeah [04:01] JontheEchidna: read yer email :) [04:01] i feel so isolated [04:01] :( [04:01] * JontheEchidna checks email [04:01] hey vorian [04:01] * ScottK reads planet KDE and discovers we got just what we needed: Another media player written from scratch. [04:01] hello [04:01] * JontheEchidna doesn't have an email yet [04:02] JontheEchidna: hmm. I updated the whiteboard... it should have sent a reply.. maybe not... [04:02] ok [04:02] Heya vorian [04:02] Anyway.. short answer.. no. Im planning on directly using xinput [04:03] hello, again [04:05] lol [04:06] geeeez, kmoney is such a crappy app [04:06] * vorian hopes upstream is not here and awake atm [04:06] JontheEchidna: what testing did you do? [04:07] need to do more of that actually, which is why I hadn't flung it at you yet [04:07] ah, ok [04:07] All I did was pbuild then find that pbuild didn't copy the debs out [04:07] i'll subcribe to it then [04:08] but now that I have to update it anyways it's not so bad that it didn't copy them out [04:08] hehe [04:08] whoa! someone changed the ninjas icon [04:10] Riddell: how's a fella get on the kubuntu-dev train? [04:11] First we have to make a process. [04:11] nixternal promised to draft something up. [04:11] roger that [04:11] Then we get the process approved by the development membership board. [04:11] nixternal: congrats btw on your CC gig [04:11] Oh, now you suck up. [04:11] ;-) [04:11] hehe [04:12] the TB minutes were not very descriptive [04:46] dtchen: Careful. Nullack is a professional QA person who is very good at explaining how all this ought to be done. [07:26] * jussi01 waves to Nightrose - waves are back! :D [08:02] * Tm_T is still waiting to get wave invite ): [08:03] Tm_T: If I had any.... [08:03] aye [08:08] ScottK: not yet for the kns settings... will do soon [08:09] ScottK: I have to reinstall it first [08:14] JontheEchidna: the fix works !!!!!!!! [08:14] JontheEchidna: but only for qt apps.... kde apps do crash now :) [08:14] JontheEchidna: maybe just a rebuild against is needed... or we need to patch... dunno [08:15] hmm, no Qt 4.6 before Karmic+1 ? [08:22] Tm_T: I don't think so [08:23] Tm_T: you can call it Lucid now :D [08:25] jussi01: I cannot [08:25] ? [08:26] my what-you-call-brain doesn't allow it somehow [08:27] Tonio_: aye, seems like I might try to backport then when it's time [08:28] yup :) [08:28] * Tm_T goes back to hunting this kwin crash [08:29] Tm_T: I was unable to reproduce :-( [08:30] mgraesslin: roger, all trunk there? [08:30] mgraesslin: I finally should have build done, so I'll kick session up in a few minutes [08:31] great [08:45] what's the situation of translations in Karmic? all works fine? [08:46] oi oi! [08:49] nixternal: did you notice waves are back? [08:49] .d [08:58] jussi01: yes, I wrote a Google Wave Robot to interact with bug trackers, right now only LP works, but I will hopefully implement the rest tomorrow :) [09:01] on that note, it is time to go to bed... g'nite all! see you in like 6 hours \o/ [09:28] JontheEchidna: technically the qt patch changes what needs change... [09:29] JontheEchidna: as soon as the drag icon starts, it segfaults, which means I touched what needs to be touched :) [09:29] also qt builds, which is good [09:29] there is just a little thing to fix I guess, I'll try to read the backtrace [09:30] JontheEchidna: maybe kde components just need rebuid since I changed .h files... [09:30] JontheEchidna: I can't get qt apps to crash [09:32] JontheEchidna: they certainly need rebuild... [09:32] JontheEchidna: I'll put everything in my ppa and we'll see :) [09:34] JontheEchidna: although it seems to fix correctly in kmail :) [09:34] just dolphin crashes in fact [10:08] another sunny day [10:08] :) [10:51] Riddell: may I ask for your help regarding to the qt patch I'm trying to write ? [10:51] Riddell: it works at some points, I'm not tht far to get something that works.... [10:51] Riddell: just.... I'm stick right now [11:01] Tonio_: hmm, am I likely to know the qt codebase any better than you? [11:04] Riddell: I'll send an email to lubos [11:04] Riddell: he fixed for qt3, and the patch is probably right now just incomplete.... I hope he'll accept to help [11:13] Riddell: email gone... maybe with some chance he'll help :) [11:21] Riddell: you may not know it better than me, but are a far more accurate coder :) [11:25] Riddell: no, but I can do it [11:29] neversfelde: would be rocking if you did, do you know where to find it? [11:29] Riddell: yes [11:30] Riddell: I tried building kid3 twoo times locally and there was no problem, I don't know what to do? [11:31] neversfelde: let me try [11:33] Riddell: if you need to reupload it, upstream suggested a change for debian/rules http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/288511/ [12:09] nookie^: how about doing a horizontal version of your release image to go in the banner space? === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [12:15] neversfelde: missing backslash of doom http://paste.ubuntu.com/288533/ [12:16] Riddell: oh, thanks for your help [12:23] Riddell: where do u plan to have that horizontal image? [12:23] and is it size 250x50? === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [12:26] nookie^: well same place as the banner is now [12:28] Riddell: im not sure im following you sry.. we have an image there already the banner i did? [12:28] do u want a final release image? like Kubuntu 9.10 released or something? [12:29] nookie^: right [12:29] nookie^: you did a square 9.10 released but it might be useful to have it as a banner [12:29] Riddell: yeah sure im sure i can come up with something [12:30] Riddell: btw that banner is not correct in place in FF3.5 on mac and ie7 on windows [12:39] nookie^: I'm sure ryanakca would love any fixes :) [12:43] Riddell: hehe [12:43] ryanakca: ping? [12:43] Riddell: any idea what's the problem with qt4 in the archives ? I was able to build it in a ppa with no problem [12:45] Tonio_: no, it is yet to reach the top of my todo list [12:45] kk [12:46] Riddell: I'm testing right now... [12:46] Riddell: I suspect there is something going wrong in the source package... [12:46] Riddell: the only difference between this one and the one sent on my ppa is that I rebuilt the source package === m4v_ is now known as m4v [13:17] Riddell: qt4 builds in a pbuilder chroot and a ppa... [13:18] Riddell: I don't get why it fails in the buildd [13:21] Riddell: I'm restarting the build on launchpad, just to be sure there wasn't a temp issue [13:50] * txwikinger_work is looking forward to the Canadian winter... still too hot to bicycle to work :D [13:52] * txwikinger_work really likes the new kmail in karmic !!! [14:04] agateau: so indicator still does not work for me this morning. And not, kopete (in addition to kmail) do not show up in the indicator [14:04] Tonio_: qt still broken [14:04] rgreening: what version of plasma-widget-indicatordisplay do you have? [14:05] Im up to date as of 5 minutes ago.. but Ill check... [14:05] you want 0.4.1-0ubuntu2 [14:05] oh... that's not in main yet [14:06] one two one two [14:06] groovy, new keyboard, no more double spaces or random carrage returns, any typos are now my own [14:06] I show 0.4.0-0ubuntu1 [14:07] Riddell: yeah I just saw that... [14:07] Riddell: that's due to the buildd somehow, I just tested in a pbuilder chroot and it works like a charm [14:11] Riddell: I have to update arora with two fixes... will you be able to upload after I have tested/built local [14:12] Riddell: fixes are: http://bit.ly/yqz8P and http://bit.ly/8ON5P [14:15] oh I am so damn tired [14:16] I ended up falling asleep about 05:00 and waking up at 07:30 :/ [14:16] nixternal: my snoring wake you? [14:16] I didnt have to cuddle [14:16] :) [14:16] I think it did [14:17] I woke up missing a sock too [14:17] lol [14:17] that's a lie, I hate wearing socks when I don't have to :) [14:18] time to go pick up my sis, and grab a pumpkin spice latte from starbucks [14:18] nixternal: you need to get some sleep ;) [14:32] ScottK, Riddell: What up with kne dude [14:33] davmor2: hmm? [14:34] Riddell: makes it harder to test when it doesn't exist [14:35] rgreening: can do, let me know if you have a debdiff or whatever [14:44] patching now then testing === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [14:58] Riddell: arora built/installed/tested locally. New patches work execellent [14:59] rgreening: groovy, do you have a debdiff? [14:59] 1 sec [15:00] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/arora_0.10.1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [15:01] Riddell: actually not a debdiff [15:01] rgreening: nope, got the .dsc? [15:01] I uploaded to my PPA [15:01] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa/+files/arora_0.10.1-0ubuntu3.dsc [15:02] Riddell: that ok? [15:02] sorted [15:02] cool. ty [15:03] Riddell: I think with qt 4.6, kde4.4, arora coul dhave a chance as a default browser... [15:03] now that it has adblock, wallet, etc.. but is currently missing java and moonlight/silverlight doesn't work in it [15:03] Riddell: do you work on the kubuntu-docs? [15:04] mcas_: that's mostly nixternal's doing [15:04] ah ok [15:04] thx Riddell [15:04] nixternal: ping [15:08] hola [15:08] anyone want to go over http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.10.01/kubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-beta-released-everyone-needed/#comment-5383 <- listed some valid issues I feel (except for Firefox by default) [15:09] mcas_: pong [15:09] hi nixternal [15:09] howdy [15:09] is it to late for bugs in kubuntu-docs? [15:09] unfortunately so, though you can still file them and they will get fixed for Lucid [15:09] hmpf [15:10] though for Lucid, my plans that I hope I can do, is totally rewrite the docs from scratch, because right now they are shite at best [15:10] everytime to late ;-) [15:10] I had 0 time in karmic to work on them, and I hope that isn't the issue for Lucid [15:11] perhaps i can help you out for lucid [15:11] digikam is sorta hefty for a by-default application [15:11] the marble dependency is huge [15:12] JontheEchidna: where is it by default? [15:12] Riddell: it's not, this is in refernce to the comment in nixternal's blog [15:12] we did have it on the CD once but it's too big as you say [15:13] As for 4. in the comment nixternal linked to, the lancelot developer has expressed his wishes that lancelot not be made default, plus it's sorta RAM-hungry for a default menu [15:14] Lancelot os slower then the KDE default menu in my tests (visual). And quite chunky. I have no issue with the current menu. No slowness. [15:14] 6. KMenuEdit sucks, it was mostly just ported to KDE4 w/ KDE3 support [15:15] We could do a Blueprint for Lucid for KMenuEditor update and push upstream... [15:15] should be easy enough... [15:15] We don't really have enough manpower to properly mainttain all the applications we currently maintain [15:15] right [15:16] I really can't see us taking on very many more [15:16] a menu editor seems to be surprisingly hard to do, KDE and Gnome have both struggled [15:17] THe idea would be push upstream.. make kmenuedit not suck :) [15:17] they are only .desktop files.... [15:17] and a couple of xml files [15:18] easy enough to list, but allowing the user to modify every last detail of the menu makes things surprisingly more complicated [15:18] things can get out of sync when new apps get installed [15:18] stale entries stay after apps are removed [15:18] hard to do properly, to say the least [15:19] true.. the same issues had plagued windows too... last I used it. so it would be no different :) [15:20] agateau: OMG! indicator working much better now :) [15:20] kmenuedit did get two crasher fixes for 4.3.2 though [15:20] rgreening: party \o/ [15:21] rgreening: pushed fixed for the scrollbar bugs, btw [15:21] back in a bit [15:21] cool. this is much better now agateau [15:21] rgreening: need to release a new tarball, but since I am on limited-work mode (aka paternity leave) this will have to wait for tomorrow [15:22] agateau: np. For Lucid, we need to get akregator added in :) [15:22] rgreening: I think I remember you mentionning this, yes :) [15:23] kids want me now, have to go [15:25] Does anyone know what version of the Akonadi server will be distributed with karmic? [15:28] Seems that PasteHelper::paste has some bugs. [15:28] oops. [15:30] I don't get any sound when playing sounds in karmic. AFAICS nothing is muted. Are there known sound problems in it? [15:35] steveire: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi says 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 [15:36] steveire: sound is working good here, the usual practice is to remove pulseaudio [15:37] Aptitude tells me it's not installed already. I guess it's not installed by default? [15:38] no, only by gnome stuff should you install that later [15:38] we probably have a page on how to debug sound issues, dtchen is likely to know [15:40] I notice that's not the latests Akonadi. I made a change in trunk recently that I'd like to see in karmic. Will that version be updated if we make a new release? I'm not sure how distros handle the kdesupport stuff. [15:41] steveire: we take our version from http://download.akonadi-project.org/ [15:41] steveire: if you have a patch we can add that easily enough [15:42] It will be in the next tagged/released version anyway I guess. [15:42] steveire: a new version would work too but it would have to be strictly bugfixes only as we're in deep feature freeze [15:42] steveire: but it would have to be toot sweet, we release in three weeks [15:43] final freeze is in about a week too [15:43] right [15:43] steveire: but give us the patch and a good description of what it does and we'll get it in [15:44] http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/kdesupport/akonadi/server/src/handler/fetchhelper.cpp?r1=1032262&r2=1032261&pathrev=1032262 [15:44] It makes the closing brace of a literal be followed by CRLF instead of just LF [15:45] a patch so simple even I can understand it :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [15:45] The code in kdepimlibs/akonadi already handles both cases, but a stricter imap parser requires that it is CRLF [15:45] there was me worried it would need some kdepim genius to read it [15:45] "the kdepim runes say..." [15:46] Well the patch is so simple it's dangerous. Don't underestimate the simple ones. [15:46] Are there patches in kubuntu for kdepimlibs/akonadi? [15:46] iirc those are pretty pristine [15:47] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-members/kdepimlibs/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/ nothing in kdepimlibs [15:47] for akonadi we only have what debian patched [15:47] yep http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/patches/ [15:49] * Riddell adds steveire's patch to akonadi [15:50] Oh, sorry, not kdepimlibs/akonadi. Are there any to the server? As long as server/src/imapsteamparser.cpp ::hasLiteral looks something like : http://dpaste.com/104337/ it's all good. [15:51] * steveire does an apt-get source to check [15:51] steveire: no patches to the server, just the ones to the build system at http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/patches/ [15:53] Ok, the hasLiteral there should be fine anyway. Cheers. [15:53] Riddell: could we get a sync for soundkonverter? Debian picked up a fix we made to our packages and it'd be nice to have it autosync next cycle [15:54] JontheEchidna: ok [15:54] steveire: but we still need your patch? [15:54] Yep [15:55] I was just checking that the end that reads the data does not expect the buggy behaviour. [15:56] steveire: there's no such file fetchhelper.cpp in akonadi 1.2.1 [15:57] looks like it's fetch.cpp [15:58] Yes, line 332 it seems. [16:02] steveire: groovy, uploaded [16:02] Cool. I'll test when it comes back down the pipes. [16:03] JontheEchidna: sync done [16:04] thanks [16:06] davmor2: Thanks for noticing. Respining KNE now. [16:07] ScottK: did the netbook discussion on kde-promo get anywhere? [16:08] Riddell: Yes. I got some feedback that I need to digest and send out some proposed info to Kubuntu Devel. [16:08] Having the click through warning come back was part of the results from that discussion. [16:09] yeah that's on my todo [16:22] anyone left on jaunty? [16:26] Riddell: me [16:28] Nightrose2: could you test plasma-widget-networkmanagement ? [16:28] Riddell: My wife and kid's computers are Jaunty, so if it's something low risk I can try it (they are both 4.2.4.) [16:28] Nightrose2: from https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging [16:28] (those are both desktops though, so no wireless) [16:28] ScottK: best to test wireless [16:28] Riddell: i left my netbook at university :/ [16:29] can only test on desktop [16:29] well desktop is better than nothing [16:29] k [16:29] anything I should check for? [16:29] * ScottK needs to go run errands so perhaps a bit later [16:30] Nightrose2: if it connects to the network :) [16:30] Nightrose2: you'll need to run "knetworkmanager" [16:30] and quit the plasma applet [16:30] already running that [16:31] * Nightrose2 downloads package [16:32] Riddell: I saw some bug mail about bug 443335 ... if you implemented the page that the default home page searches as a configurable option, that = brilliant [16:32] Launchpad bug 443335 in kdebase "point Kubuntu default home page to Google Custom Search and include proper identifier" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443335 [16:32] call me brilliant baby [16:33] this is just for the search box embedded in that page, right? [16:33] yes [16:33] Riddell is brilliant :) [16:34] we knew that already ;-) [16:34] Riddell: Don't forget you were going to announce it .... [16:34] but he probably likes to hear it from time to time :D [16:34] (brilliant, but with a long TODO) [16:34] ScottK: I have a blog planned, or would you prefer kubuntu-devel ? [16:35] I can only imagine the blog title: [16:35] rickspencer3, evil desktop overlord, forces crass commercial features into sweet community distro [16:35] his email address is: [16:35] his home phone number is: [16:35] :) [16:37] anybody left on hardy? [16:38] rickspencer3eee: ohh Riddell wouldn't be _that_ mean ;-) [16:38] he'd be more snealy [16:38] *sneaky [16:40] ScottK: it was cronjob that noticed ;) I just read it and thought WTF! [16:42] hardy? [16:42] Riddell: i need to update to 4.3.2 first [16:42] that will take a while [16:42] I might have a server HD somewhere with hardy on it :D [16:43] it was a long shot [16:43] * txwikinger_work did a do-release-upgrade last night [16:43] the only problem was openoffice [16:48] calling rickspencer3eee evil would be like calling Gumby satan. rickspencer3eee is more like cheer bear :) === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [17:14] hmm, what does this mean: [17:14] W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_chromium-daily_ppa_ubuntu_dists_karmic_main_binary-amd64_Packages) [17:14] can I remove the Chromium PPA now? [17:16] markey: it means that you have that repository repeated somewhere in your sources [17:16] ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-netbook-intro.txt [17:24] tsimpson: sure, but I've checked, it's not repeated [17:24] it's why I'm wondering :) [17:24] markey: not hidden in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is it? [17:24] check in /etc/apt/sources.list and in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ [17:25] ah, ok [17:25] indeed [17:25] chromium-daily-ppa-karmic.list [17:25] where does this come from? [17:25] it may come from a package/script if not from you [17:26] ok [17:26] so I can remove the other custom PPA for Chromium I guess [17:26] yeah [17:26] thanks [17:27] is there any chance that ubuntu might one day a technique for hot-swapping kernels? [17:27]