[00:00] <BUGabundo> personally I think aptitude tends to manage dependy better
[00:00] <Pici> sako: if you're using apt-get then you should be using dist-upgrade to grab packages with new dependencies.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> AFAIK apt-get does NOT have safe-upgrade
[00:00] <sako> i see
[00:00] <mika_video> The mc (midnight commander) should be on the first (=install) CD of [K]Ubuntu
[00:00] <Pici> BUGabundo: it has upgrade and dist-upgrade
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Pici: I know
[00:01] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, what is special about safe-upgrade ?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: from aptitude? it's the default upgrade methof
[00:01] <sako> Pici: what does that mean? new dependencies??? if they changed up the dependencies for a package?
[00:01] <mika_video> Also, it would be nice if  Freepascal and Lazarus would be installable by commanding "aptitude install ..."
[00:01] <test34> what does the gui upgrade program use? apt-get or aptitude?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> replacing old 'upgrade' deaned unsafe
[00:01] <BUGabundo> test34: none
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Update-Manager is another Front end to dkpg
[00:02] <Pici> sako: Yes, if a package requires a new package as a result of a dependency change, an apt-get upgrade (or aptitude safe-upgrade) will NOT install it, only full-upgrade/dist-upgrades will.
[00:02] <test34> BUGabundo, ok
[00:02] <joaopinto> test34, none, it uses libapt, like the apt-* and aptitude
[00:02] <sako> i see.. so the reason why i am getting packages "held back" is likely cause they have new dependencies?
[00:02] <commander__> can anyone help me please
[00:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: not true
[00:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: update-manager uses either Apt or synaptic from what I remember
[00:03] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no
[00:03] <mika_video> about Freepascal: the man page should say: "No, FreePascal s not broken. If you think it is broken, just put {$mode Delphi} in the first few lines of your pascal source files, and it will work fine"
[00:03] <BUGabundo> it has scripts that invoke apt-get , yes for downloading packages
[00:03] <BUGabundo> but install script are dpkg direct AFAIK
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ask MVO tommoroow :)
[00:04] <Pici> Or grab the source now and look/
[00:04] <joaopinto> uhh ? that is not true
[00:04] <mika_video> Because if you do not put  {$mode Delphi} in your FreePascal source files, you will gt weird error messages trying to for example: try { some code here} finally { more code here} end;
[00:05] <balor> I don't seem to be able to create projects (in any programming language) in the latest karmic Eclipse.  Anyone else seeing this issue?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> nvm
 Did you try FreePascal ?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: Pici: joaopinto that's OT for this place
[00:05] <BUGabundo> ping me back if either you find out :D
[00:06] <balor> mika_video, No.  I've never written Pascal
[00:06] <commander__> hello!!
[00:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I'm not that curious about it :)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> heeh
[00:06] <BUGabundo> chicken
[00:06] <peterson> hello commander_, do you need help?
[00:06] <commander__> i need help with sound period
[00:07] <joeb> Enabling a (Broadcom STA) driver in Karmic causes visual effects to be turned off. Has anyone seen this problem before?
[00:07] <peterson> what is your problem commander_?
[00:07] <mika_video> Actually it is Objectpascal. But many folks wite Pascal since it's shorter. But nobody uses the original Pascal (as described by some outdated ISO standard) anymore.
[00:07] <commander__> i have no sound on beta here
[00:08] <balor> commander__, What kind of sound card do you have
[00:08] <mika_video> for short: ObjectPascal is at least equally powerful as C++.
[00:08] <commander__> i dunno..unless u talking about the intel x3100 graphics
[00:09] <joaopinto> BUGabundo,  update-manager uses python-apt, which is a python wrapper for libapt*, it does not depend on apt-* or dpkg*
[00:09] <balor> mika_video, All programming languages are equivlalent.  Church-Turing thesis.
[00:09] <joaopinto> update-manager does depends on synaptic
[00:09] <BUGabundo> yay
[00:10] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: earns his good boy badge :)
[00:10] <mika_video> possibly. Java coders claim that Java is faster due to it's garbage collection. Well, maybe in average it is, but if we consider also the worst case, Java sucks  !
[00:11] <balor> commander__, On an Intel box with that card, you've probably got something that uses snd_hda_intel.  lspci wll tell you
[00:11] <commander__> i know it's HDA Intel
[00:11] <balor> commander__, Are you sure you're fully updated?
[00:12] <commander__> yep
[00:12] <mika_video> Or what do you think is better: a) use 100 microseconds CPU time 10 times a second for memory management or b) use 0% CPU time for memory management for 29.5 minutes and then use 100% of CPU time for memory management for 30 seconds ? (Java actually does this !)
[00:12] <joaopinto> mika_video, what ? that is extremely out of topic, but any java junior developer knows that java is slower because of the garbage collection
[00:12] <commander__> just got some more updates
[00:13] <mika_video> I just found a web page that claims that Java is faster. Well, even if during one hour java uses less time for memory management, locking up your PC for 30 seconds is too big price to pay for that !
[00:14] <commander__> now i'm fully updated
[00:14] <joaopinto> mika_video, one page is not "Java Developers" oppinion :)
[00:14] <mika_video> Not that I would beleieve it without a doubt ....
[00:15]  * NoelJB wonders when this became #java
[00:15] <mika_video> But where should I put this wish: The mc (midnight commander) should be on the first (=install) CD of [K]Ubuntu
[00:16] <BronzeAu> Hi all. Have an interesting one for you. Please read description for steps I have done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk
[00:17] <mika_video> Also, the behaviour of mc should be verified when NON-ascii characters are typed (both on a real text console and using those virtual text windows on a GUI screen)
[00:17] <commander__> balor u there?>
[00:18] <jbuncher> is anyone else chainloading into grub 2 from grub legacy on karmic?  latest updates have them conflicting and want one or the other to be removed.
[00:18] <mika_video> mc is an old program and it's behaviour was originally designed with those "1 character = 1 byte" encodings. It may misbehave when used with UTF-8 encoded unicode.
[00:18] <BronzeAu> So... what your thoughts please? :)
[00:19] <NoelJB> jbuncher, ask cjwatson in #grub
[00:19] <jbuncher> NoelJB, thx
[00:20] <BronzeAu> Should I take this problem elsewhere perhaps? Not reading boot image and not updating the grub in recovery.
[00:21] <legend2440> BronzeAu: did it say something like   no resume image?
[00:21] <BronzeAu> I think so. Will have a quick look on the vid.
 here's what I would try (please tell me if that does not work properly): 1. Install Ubuntu karmic onto a partition, and install it's bootloader on the start of that partition. To the installer, do NOT specify a "/boot" mount point. Then manually copy needed files form that partition's /boot subdirectory to the PC's real "/boot" partition and manually edit the already installed GRUB's (installed by some older version) files to inc
[00:21] <mika_video> lude your new karmic installation. Have you tried this ?
[00:22] <legend2440> BronzeAu: is ubuntu running? can you get a terminal?
[00:23] <BronzeAu> (46 sec) it says trying to resume from /dev but then says kimit: No resume image.
[00:23] <legend2440> BronzeAu: is ubuntu running? can you get a terminal?
[00:23] <BronzeAu> No - Wont boot at all. Win7 will and I can get into recovery.
[00:24] <jbuncher> mika_video, not sure about that process.  My current setup is someone convoluted.  I have a grub managed by my hardy install that's on the MBR, and I chainload into the karmic grub legacy that's on just the karmic partition.  From there, it chainloads into karmic grub 2.
[00:24] <BronzeAu> Cannot get into Ubuntu at all
[00:24] <balor> BronzeAu, You're booting a kernel
[00:24] <balor> BronzeAu, The problem is that you're not gerring fully through that process
[00:24] <BronzeAu> I'm onthe wife machine Vista (*sigh*) across the room.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, It sounds like something isn't handing over to init correctly.
[00:25] <BronzeAu> Ok. How can I update / replace the kernel then?
[00:25] <BronzeAu> It was only installed yesterday.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, Boot off a boot disk.  Specify root=/dev/sda3 (or whatever your _root_ device is) in the kernel parameters.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, That _should_ bring your system up.
[00:26] <BronzeAu> Ran fine all day and until late last night installing packages and updates. Would upgrade to karmic though.
[00:26] <balor> BronzeAu, +1 is sometimes a roller-coaster ride.  It's unstable by name and nature.
[00:26] <BronzeAu> Nah - I'm fine with that. It's a test machine for testing.
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, good
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, Boot off a disk and specify your correct root device
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, That /should/ get you into your system
[00:28] <BronzeAu> So can you link me to some steps I need to go through for that: "Specify root=/dev/sda3 " I'm not ofay with terminal speek yet but learning fast.
[00:28] <balor> BronzeAu, After that, I'm afraid I'm off to bed.  These other happy hackers may be able to assist.
[00:28] <BronzeAu> I have a Jaunty boot disk
[00:28] <fluvvell> BronzeAu:, I've just looked at your youtube video, you are booting, you just don't have a desktop?
[00:28] <kaddi> anyone know if there is a way of using the old kaffeine 0.9.x under Karmic instead 1.0.pre2
[00:28] <balor> BronzeAu, You'll need a karmic one.
[00:29] <BronzeAu> Thanks Balor - I'm just out of bed. 10.30 here in Oz after a 4.30am sojourn.
[00:29] <balor> BronzeAu, 0029 here in the UK.  But I'm Irish so my body clock is 0029+3mins
[00:30] <BronzeAu> Nah - Don't have one and tried three times to download a Karmic .iso with no luck on any image. Not the burner. Each image was corrupt.
[00:30] <balor> BronzeAu, Bittorrent.  It'll help ensure the image is correct.
[00:30] <drbobb> has anyone tried Karmic on a laptop with SiS video?
[00:30] <BronzeAu> he he *Laughs* at Balor
[00:31] <balor> BronzeAu, I'm not on Telstra :)
[00:31] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, your youtube video shows a compaq boot spash at start? Am I talking to the right person?
[00:31] <kaddi> drbobb: whar ia SiS video?
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Yep - tried that. And the Ubuntu iso and a ftp download from work.
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Yes.
[00:31] <drbobb> a SiS brand video card
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Thats me (Braddanvip)
[00:31] <balor> BronzeAu, If the checksums don't match after comming off BT you've got bigger issues.
[00:31] <kaddi> drbobb: ah, then I haven't no.
[00:31] <drbobb> acer used to put them in a number of models
[00:32] <drbobb> up to 2 or 3 years ago
[00:32] <IndyGunFreak> why doesn't empathyhave sound
[00:32] <balor> drbobb, I have _a_ SiS card on a Celeron box.  It's dreadful.
[00:32] <IndyGunFreak> drbobb, i've got an acer, whats the prob?
[00:32] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, your computer is booting, you just don't get to desktop. What happens with a Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:32] <BronzeAu> Non of the sums matched on any download. So I went down the shop and bought the latest Linux mag with had Jaunty.
[00:32]  * IndyGunFreak never checks the checksums
[00:32] <drbobb> balor: absolutely. But I can't afford to scrap my laptop at this time
[00:33] <IndyGunFreak> !empathy
[00:33] <BronzeAu> Installed Jaunty and tried to Upgrade but it would get 3/4's torugh and spit it.
[00:33] <balor> drbobb, If you're having issues.  Run it in VESA
[00:33] <balor> drbobb, They have no 3d acceleration anyway
[00:33] <drbobb> IndyGunFreak: well Jaunty had serious problems with these video cards
[00:33] <BronzeAu> I'll try the ctrl+alt F1 now.
[00:33] <BronzeAu> BRB
[00:33]  * BUGabundo move BUGabundo /dev/BED. cu guys tomorrow
[00:34] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, It should give you a text login screen
[00:34] <IndyGunFreak> anybody know why empathy doesn't have sound?
[00:34] <drbobb> balor: VESA performance is pathetic, and I'm not talking about 3d at all
[00:35] <drbobb> support for SiS cards in x.org regressed seriously after Hardy
[00:35] <Ian_Corne> SiS?
[00:35] <drbobb> nobody was maintaining the driver anymore afaik
[00:35] <BronzeAu> Through recovery I'm into the terminal: steve@steve-desktop:~$
[00:36] <BronzeAu> Entered terminal via recovery mode. just chose cancel and when it prompted i entered my username.
[00:37] <drbobb> I'm coping by running the core x.org packages from hardy in an otherwise jaunty system, but a recent gnome upgrade seems to have broken keyboard handling
[00:37] <commander_> does anyone know how can i get sound on here
[00:37] <BronzeAu> Can I do anything in terminal to get it to continue through the boot?
[00:38] <BronzeAu> For those just in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- See 46 sec mark.
[00:39] <BronzeAu> anyone?
[00:39] <legend2440> BronzeAu: i think that no resume image has something to do with incorrect swap uuid so in terminal type sudo blkid and make note of the swap  uuid
[00:40] <BronzeAu> ok. will do.
[00:40] <legend2440> BronzeAu: then in terminal type   sudo nano /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume  and see if the uuid's  match with the swap uuid
[00:41] <BronzeAu> Says command not found for sudo blkid
[00:41] <drbobb> balor: so did you try karmic on that machine?
[00:41] <commander_> i been patient long enough and people r deliberately ignoring me.I thought we were adults.
[00:41] <commander_> i need help please
[00:42] <BronzeAu> Sorry commander - I'm no help and taking up these good peoples time as well.
[00:43] <BronzeAu> Apologies.
[00:43] <IndyGunFreak> commander_, whats wrong
[00:43] <zmjjmz> ergh
[00:43] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok try   cat /etc/fstab and make note of swap uuid
[00:43] <BronzeAu> Will try that sudo nano now Legend
[00:43] <zmjjmz> commander_: uh, can you tell us what sound device you're using?
[00:44] <commander_> i have asked for help several times about my sound problem
[00:44] <IndyGunFreak> is anyone getting sound w/ Empathy, or is it just me.. i have sounds enabled, i've started/restarted empathy..
[00:44] <commander_> what sound device.be more specific
[00:44] <zmjjmz> I've not used empathy
[00:44] <zmjjmz> commander_: what's listed for sound by alsa?
[00:45] <zmjjmz> Also, has anyone actually managed to get hulu to work decently on the gma950 in Karmic?
[00:45] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, its very odd, i have all the boxed checked to enable sound, but i've not gotten a peep out of empathy, sound seems fine otherwise
[00:45] <commander_> HDA Intel;
[00:45] <commander_> i dunno
[00:45] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, do you know empathy has support channels.
[00:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, I think your problem is with graphic card support, it has nothing to do with uuid
[00:46] <kaddi> anyone know if there is a way of using the old kaffeine 0.8.x under Karmic instead 1.0.pre2
[00:46] <zmjjmz> IndyGunFreak: I believe their support has been taken over by gnome
[00:46] <IndyGunFreak> hmm,
[00:46] <zmjjmz> commander_: what happens when you do espeak hi?
[00:46] <BronzeAu> Ok - I got the UUID
[00:47] <BronzeAu> Long enough. Can't tell the O's from 0's but.
[00:47] <commander_> huh?
[00:47] <commander_> look i know i had sound when i had jaunty and when i got karmic there's no sound
[00:47] <zmjjmz> commander_: uh, run espeak hi in the terminal
[00:47] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok write it down and then  ctrl x to close nano  and in terminal try  cat /etc/fstab and see if swap uuids match
[00:47] <kaddi> commander_: if you reply to somebody put the name in front of it, so the person knows you're talking to him/her
[00:47] <BronzeAu> Graphics was working fine yesterday. Even had Compiz running well. The signal does normally cut uot during start up.
[00:48] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok write it down and then  ctrl x to close nano  and in terminal try  cat /etc/fstab and see if swap uuids match
[00:48] <BronzeAu> Ok. Cool will do. Will just have to write all that down.
[00:48] <benh> hoy
[00:48] <benh> so latest batch of karmic updates broke 3G USB modems ...
[00:48] <kaddi> hi :)
[00:48] <IndyGunFreak> man, this is annoying me
[00:48] <zmjjmz> benh: oshit, I have to get mine working
[00:48] <commander_> z in what order? sudo apt what
[00:48] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, looking at your video, the screen switches a couple of times and then goes to monitor saver.  Usually, doing a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg resets your graphics. Has nobody else viewed the video?
[00:48] <jbuncher> Is there anyway to get the audio in karmic to remember to default to a non-permanent input?  I have to go into the settings every time I plug in the webcam and switch over the audio input.  I didn't have to do this in Hardy.
[00:48] <drbobb> BronzeAu: oh but why so much writing, haven't you heard of saving stuff in files, or cut and paste?
[00:49] <grahal> any reason why karmic stopped playing lot's of video types that used to work with jaunty before a distro upgrade? plugin search starts but does not find the codecs that were already installed in the system
[00:49] <jbuncher>  fluvvell BronzeAu that's what it looks like to me, system boots fine, but looks like gdm or x is messed.
[00:49] <legend2440> drbobb: he's doing this from recovery console
[00:49] <benh> zmjjmz: maybe it's something HW with my laptop tho... but yeah, it was working 2 days ago
[00:49] <benh> something weird happens with "options" and the modem disconnects
[00:49] <zmjjmz> I haven't updated though
[00:49] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you do an update yesterday? There was a new kernel...
[00:49] <zmjjmz> I guess I won't for a bit
[00:49] <drbobb> legend2440: and that makes a difference, how?
[00:49] <BronzeAu> says comand not found
[00:50] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok then nano /etc/fstab
[00:50] <BronzeAu> I did an update yesterday but it spat it 3/4's of the way through.
[00:51] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you get a login prompt on normal boot when you tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? (or has karmic removed text consoles????)
[00:51] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: tty1-6 all work
[00:51] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, bingo. Theres your problem. Guys this has nothing to do with his fstab
[00:51] <BronzeAu> I got to terminal through recovery but it does give me terminal for about 3sec so you have to be quick in putting in your username.
[00:52] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, reboot and got to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:52] <zmjjmz> hm
[00:53] <fluvvell> "go" not got, sorry
[00:53] <benh> kernel log when plugging the modem is http://pastebin.ca/1602818
[00:53] <benh> (huawei 169 bog standard stuff)
[00:53] <benh> tries with 2 modems, same siht
[00:53] <BronzeAu> UUID's match. Ok will reboot
[00:53] <kaddi> what does tty stand for?
[00:54] <fluvvell> zmjjmz, anything new in recovery to help reset graphics in karmic?
[00:54] <benh> teletype :-)
[00:54] <zmjjmz> Oct  8 10:44:36 pasglop kernel: [   54.049084] option: option_instat_callback: error -108
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: right
[00:54] <zmjjmz> :/
[00:54] <kaddi> I'd never have guessed. :p thanks :)
[00:54] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: make a xorg.conf and make dontzzap false?
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: -108 that's -ESHUTDOWN
[00:54] <zmjjmz> ok
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: something made the stick go away
[00:55] <zmjjmz> evil usb spirits :|
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: the usb-storage also fails mounting it
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: ie, something goes bonkers in USB ... tried older kernel, same shit
[00:55] <BronzeAu> Ok. I'm in the bios
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: smells like something userspace is doing
[00:55] <fluvvell> zmjjmz, dontzzap is new to me.
[00:55] <revf> I can't see the karmic upgrade anymore in update-manager or do-release-upgrade.  I think the upgrade program crashed earlier without putting my repositories back to normal, and my sources list is all karmic instead of jaunty now
[00:55] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: and dontzap
[00:55] <zmjjmz> make sure that's disabled too
[00:55] <revf> how can i fix it to finish downloading/installing the upgrade?
[00:55] <benh> btw
[00:55] <benh> somebody knows a decent mirror in .au that isn't 2 weeks off ?
[00:55] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, Bios? How do you figure that?
[00:56] <revf> I already tried %s/karmic/jaunty/g on the source list and that didn't help very much
[00:56] <revf> although it seemed like a step in the right direction
[00:56] <revf> what else does the installer normally reset when it's canceled during the download process?
[00:56] <BronzeAu> Did you want me in Bios or elsewhere.
[00:56] <commander_> zmjjmz where ru man?
[00:56] <zmjjmz> commander_: here
[00:57] <zmjjmz> commander_: what happened when you ran espeak hi
[00:57] <benh> au.archives.ubuntu.com is fubar
[00:57] <benh> has been for a few days
[00:57] <commander_> ok how u want me to run it sudo apt what?
[00:57] <IndyGunFreak> man this sound thing in empathy is annoyng
[00:57] <zmjjmz> uh
[00:57] <commander_> i asked uthois b4
[00:57] <IndyGunFreak> no logical reason for it
[00:57] <zmjjmz> just, run it in terminal
[00:57] <zmjjmz> any terminal
[00:57] <zmjjmz> IndyGunFreak: well, I use Pidgin :P
[00:57] <zmjjmz> with the sounds muted, but still
[00:58] <commander_> nothing
[00:58] <benh> there's some weirdo stuff with sound in karmic
[00:58] <zmjjmz> a long pause before said nothing?
[00:58] <benh> lots of "clics"
[00:58] <zmjjmz> benh: yeah
[00:58] <BronzeAu> So.. Should I be in Bios or elsewhere?
[00:58] <benh> even after disabling the sound effects stuff
[00:58] <revf> does anyone know what changes the karmic upgrader makes to the repositories and then undoes if the install is canceled?
[00:58] <zmjjmz> benh: it cut out on me earlier, only to work fine right after
[00:58]  * benh blames curseaudio
[00:58] <revf> I think I need to make those changes manually
[00:58] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, i don't have a prob w/ pidgin, but i actually like empathy better... little smaller/cleaner.. but the no sound is annoying.. and i can't figure out how to set it.. i have sounds enabled
[00:58] <zmjjmz> yep
[00:58] <BronzeAu> Sorry
[00:58] <revf> or undo them manually, rather
[00:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you may have done the keypress too early. At 46 seconds in your video it shows steves-desktop :login
[00:58] <aprilhare> hey
[00:58] <commander_> what about my modem on my laptop?
[00:58] <fluvvell> thats where you want to be
[00:58] <BronzeAu> I'm not keeping up bacause I'm backwards and forwards
[00:59] <zmjjmz> commander_: what about it?
[00:59] <BronzeAu> Ok. I'll do it there.
[00:59] <aprilhare> has anyone had a fsck yet - no progress bar, screen goes black, you're left scratching your head about whats going on?
[00:59] <Pici> !mirrorstatus | benh
[00:59] <aprilhare> have to press ctrl-alt-f8 to even know it's fsck?
[00:59] <jbuncher> aprilhare, no fsck that I recall
[00:59] <commander_> the last time zm someone on here said tht might bethe cause of it
[00:59] <benh> thanks bot !
[01:00] <djdarkman> hello, I have a machine with an external harddrive and karmic doesn't want to boot it, what should I do, is this issue fixable?
[01:00] <aprilhare> jbuncher: well be warned the drop bear surprises you when you least expect it
[01:00] <benh> I switched to the main US mirror for now
[01:00] <Pici> benh: I actually just made that factoid, a few people have been asking about that lately.
[01:00] <jbuncher> aprilhare, drop bear?
[01:00] <zmjjmz> commander_: that would be a pretty big problem
[01:01] <aprilhare> jbuncher: karmic koala == drop bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear
[01:01] <zmjjmz> not sure why your modem would be affecting your sound device
[01:01] <aprilhare> jbuncher: carnivorous form of koala :D
[01:01] <benh> heh it's fun
[01:01] <sako> hey all, what's up with dist-upgrade wanting to remove empathy?
[01:01] <legend2440> commander_: in terminal try   speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[01:01] <benh> so karmic install gets you grub2
[01:01] <sako> maybe I don't understand exactly what dist-upgrade does...
[01:01] <benh> but then, a full upgrade removes it and puts grub1 instead
[01:01] <zmjjmz> anyways, I would try restarting pulseaudio or such
[01:01] <jbuncher> aprilhare, aha, I see
[01:02] <zmjjmz> revf: dumb question, but you did sudo apt-get update right?
[01:02] <aprilhare> jbuncher: ignore the bit in that article about it being non-existant (bad publicity for .au you see)
[01:02] <benh> I think startupmanager depends on grub1 or something like that
[01:02] <BronzeAu> I used to have a VW baja called Drop Bear
[01:02] <BronzeAu> Search for it on youtube
[01:02] <BronzeAu> Ok - I'm there.
[01:02] <revf> zmjjmz: yeah, a couple times.  it's weird because
[01:02] <commander_> it wasn't .he told me sudo apt-get something
[01:02] <Martyn> BronzeAu : hee .. good name for a car.   I bet the Ozzies were amused
[01:02] <revf> OK well this has spanned four or five sessions of downloading the packages so far
[01:02] <BronzeAu> I'm an Ozzie
[01:02] <zmjjmz> commander_: and did you?
[01:02] <commander_> or sudo apt-remove
[01:02] <revf> and the time it crashed was, like, the second-most-recent
[01:02] <revf> and after it did that
[01:03] <djdarkman> can grub2 boot from USB disks at all?
[01:03] <revf> when I went into sudo update-manager -d, the list was cluttered up with hundreds of packages, presumably the ones I'd just downloaded
[01:03] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, do you have the login prompt?
[01:03] <zmjjmz> djdarkman: most BIOS' can
[01:03] <BronzeAu> It says 5 packages can be updates. I'm in terminal where it says in capials "No Warranty!" he he
[01:03] <revf> which i think is because it's using the karmic repos
[01:03] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:03] <revf> but then I could still see/run the distro installer
[01:03] <BronzeAu> I'm logged in.
[01:03] <commander_> yeah..just cna't remeber it.but what u just told me to do all it says playback open error
[01:03] <revf> now I am having the same symptom in the list but the button to upgrade isn't there anymore
[01:03] <djdarkman> zmjjmz, it's not my bios, it's Karmic it doesn't recognize my harddrive at boot
[01:03] <zmjjmz> commander_: can you pastebinit?
[01:03] <BronzeAu> put in my username and password.
[01:04] <sako> hey all, what's up with dist-upgrade wanting to remove empathy?
[01:04] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:04] <jbuncher> aprilhare, lol, will do.
[01:04] <revf> and do-release-upgrade says there is no new version
[01:04] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:04] <zmjjmz> sako: maybe they gave up and wanted to replace it with pidgin?
[01:04] <revf> even after apt-get update
[01:04] <djdarkman> is there a cure for this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1272142
[01:04] <BronzeAu> Ok. Will do.
[01:04] <sako> zmjjmz: hmm? i don't think so did they?
[01:04] <zmjjmz> revf: maybe you should replace the sources.list with something new
[01:04] <zmjjmz> Sakarias: maybe
[01:04] <zmjjmz> er
[01:04] <zmjjmz> sako: maybe
[01:04] <revf> hmm
[01:04] <revf> like what?
[01:04] <revf> can I get a clean jaunty copy somewhere?
[01:05] <zmjjmz> probably
[01:05] <revf> I tried just subbing "jaunty" for every "karmic" and
[01:05] <revf> that got rid of all the crap in the update-manager list
[01:05] <revf> but didn't make the button appear
[01:05] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:05] <BronzeAu> The Dropbear - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6-6EN53S8
[01:05] <revf> could there be some other file that now thinks it's karmic that's messing me up?
[01:06] <zmjjmz> revf: it migth have done that in whatever script controls the update manager
[01:06] <sebsebseb> Shame the  new  GDM can't just be configured with another theme,  I like the blubuntu GDM theme in the repo :)   So I am wondering if it's possible to have it on the new GDM or not.   Oh let's run some commands that a blog gives,  I think not, unless maybe I know what they do.  Anyway this came up in my Google search http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html Plus I am not on that type of lap top.  I am on a desktop
[01:06] <sebsebseb> in fact.   Also KDM is rather nice now unlike before,  still would like a bit of sound on it though, like the old GDM.
[01:06] <Pici> BronzeAu: Lets try to keep it on-topic here.
[01:07] <aprilhare> BronzeAu: nice vdub :) but karmic koala i call drop bear for good reason, especially when i find myself with a black screen during boot with no idea whats going on
[01:07] <revf> zmjjmz: do you mean that the upgrade script changed stuff?  that's kind of been my assumption, that it made changes as part of the install process and then didn't undo them since it crashed
[01:07] <zmjjmz> yeah
[01:07] <revf> I don't know what changes it would make besides changing the sources.list though
[01:07] <zmjjmz> I'm not well versed in the upgrade script, but it may have another configuration file somewhere
[01:08] <revf> is there a way I could look at the script?
[01:08] <revf> or would that be too complicate
[01:08] <revf> d
[01:08] <sako> so on 9.10 should we not be doing dist-upgrades?
[01:08] <zmjjmz> probably, just vim the script in /usr/sbin
[01:08] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: yeah boot up goes wrong
[01:08] <BronzeAu> Ok - at first it said command not found so i retyped it in the hope that I typed it wrong and it said xserver.org is not installed
[01:08] <revf> do you know the name of it by any chance
[01:08] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: turning the computer off, and  then on again though,  as is said for many computer issues :D, well it actsaully fixes it
[01:08] <revf> I don't know what it is, and I can't run it since the button isn't there in update-manager
[01:08] <BronzeAu> Oh - sorry about the offtopic.
[01:08] <zmjjmz> revf: eh, I'd run a locate
[01:09] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no dot dude, just a -
[01:09] <zmjjmz> it may be part of update-manager
[01:09] <BronzeAu> I'm new to IRC
[01:09] <zmjjmz> revf: do you know python?
[01:09] <BronzeAu> oh, ok. sorry:-[
[01:10] <revf> a bit
[01:10] <revf> I just looked at do-release-upgrade but it's pretty opaque
[01:10] <revf> it's not complicate, it just mostly calls apis
[01:10] <revf> +d
[01:10] <zmjjmz> :|
[01:10] <tuxxy> anyone else have errors with their twinview specifically when attempting to save the config
[01:11] <sebsebseb> No one here right now,knows about trying to theme the new GDM, if it's even possible?  didn't think so
[01:11] <zmjjmz> see if it opens any files
[01:11] <revf> how do I do that?
[01:11] <BronzeAu> Nope. says there is no xserver-org either.
[01:11] <revf> sorry I am pretty new at all this
[01:11] <zmjjmz> uh, hold up
[01:12] <legend2440> tuxxy: did you try  gksudo nvidia-settings  so you have permission to save changes?
[01:12] <zmjjmz> revf: search for open
[01:12] <BronzeAu> Im new at this too. 3rd day on IRC. 5th year with Ubuntu. First time playing at terminal level.
[01:12] <revf> oh I see what you mean
[01:12] <revf> I thought you meant upon running it
[01:12] <benh> ok so GSM stick works on jaunty
[01:13] <benh> on another box
[01:13] <revf> it's mostly this kind of thing
[01:13] <revf>  print _("Checking for a new ubuntu release")
[01:13] <revf>   m = MetaReleaseCore(useDevelopmentRelease=options.devel_release,
[01:13] <revf>                       useProposed=options.proposed_release)
[01:13] <benh> so it's either a HW problem with my USB or karmic userspace problem, I'll try booting jaunty off USB later to see
[01:13] <revf> very abstracted
[01:13] <BronzeAu> This is what I typed in: In case of mistake. sudo dbkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[01:13] <djdarkman> hello, is there a way to install karmic with the good old grub that actually works?
[01:14] <natewiebe13> im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta.. anyone know why?
[01:14] <natewiebe13> ^using a live cd
[01:14] <natewiebe13> ^and also on alternate
[01:14] <sebsebseb> Is there maybe a way to install the old GDM into karmic or configure  the new one so I can theme it hmm
[01:15] <BronzeAu> Still there?
[01:15] <commander__> zmjjmz i'm back
[01:15] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: probably breaking a fsck is a bad idea.
[01:15] <revf> I'm going to take a closer look at the sources.list
[01:16] <zmjjmz> commander_: you left?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: maybe, but  when  it does th flashing white curour,  it seems to only do that, and nothing else, also I think it does the fsk first
[01:16] <BronzeAu> So should I just do a reinstall of Jaunty and forget the upgrade.
[01:16] <sebsebseb> !details | BronzeAu
[01:16] <sebsebseb> BronzeAu: what exactly is wrong with the new GDM for you?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> BronzeAu: also if you upgraded from 9.04, it won't put on the new GDM
[01:16] <BronzeAu> Um - I've been here for an hour
[01:17] <natewiebe13> im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta.. anyone know why? both on live and alternate
[01:17] <Pici> sebsebseb: Yes it will.
[01:17] <BronzeAu> Well almost.
[01:17] <tuxxy> legend2440, yes of course
[01:17] <BronzeAu> I'll post the vid again.
[01:17] <sebsebseb> ah I put GMD
[01:17] <sebsebseb> GDM
[01:17] <sebsebseb> I meant Grub
[01:17] <sebsebseb> my issue is GDM, his issue is Grub
[01:17] <BronzeAu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- 46sec mark
[01:17] <BronzeAu> Read description
[01:18] <BronzeAu> UUID's match
[01:18] <legend2440> tuxxy: a way around that is  somewhere in nvidia-settings is a preview window to see changes. you can copy then paste that into your xorg.conf file
[01:18] <revf> yeah it looks completely normal, nothing weird about it at all
[01:18] <sebsebseb> Pici: new GDM with no theming yes,  and no Grub 2 on upgrades  by what I read
[01:18] <BronzeAu> I did an upgrade from Jaunty to Karmi yesterday but it spat it 3/4 way through install.
[01:18] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: i turned to it and the screen was black. thats not filling me with confidence
[01:18] <revf> i have to, I'll try to figure this out again in a bit
[01:18] <revf> thanks for your help zmjjmz
[01:19] <revf> *have to go
[01:19] <zmjjmz> k
[01:19] <sako> The following packages will be upgraded: evolution-plugins linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic ubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: Are you on Karmic?
[01:19] <sako> can someone explain what dist-upgrade does?
[01:19] <sako> pleaseeeeee
[01:19] <Pici> sako: I thought we went over this already.
[01:19] <BronzeAu> Just tried sudo dbkg-reconfigure xserver-org but it says xserver-org is not installed
[01:20] <tuxxy> legend2440, hang on ill get the errors
[01:20] <natewiebe13> sebsebseb, Pici: im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta..  both on live and alternate.. any ideas?
[01:20] <Pici> BronzeAu: its xserver-xorg
[01:20] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: yes
[01:20] <zmjjmz> sako: basically, changes the repos and then installs some stuff
[01:20] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: it seems there  default Ext4 support in Karmic hasn't been 100% properly done hence the fsck issues,  well hopefuly that's  nice and  stable by the final
[01:20] <sako> we did, but would it be safe to do it?
[01:20] <Pici> natewiebe13: I don't know, sorry.
[01:20] <commander__> can anybody and i do mean anybody help
[01:20] <BronzeAu> Ok - will try that then as well. Ta
[01:20] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: I did manual partitioning, but anyway  Ext4 in 9.10 yep
[01:20] <BronzeAu> BRB - Its across the room
[01:20] <legend2440> tuxxy: probably something like your xorg.conf is missing a Section
[01:20] <Pici> sako: Yes.  I always do dist-upgrades.
[01:20] <sako> i see
[01:20] <sako> thanks Pici
[01:21] <sako> well I would assume I have to at some point since I have 9.10 beta
[01:21] <zmjjmz> commander__: maybe
[01:21] <Pici> sako: But just be careful if it says its removing packages, if you arent sure about what the packages do, then ask or wait.
[01:21] <commander__> nothing happened..terminal still processing
[01:21] <aprilhare> W:Failed to fetch http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch, W:Failed to fetch http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[01:21] <BronzeAu> do I say yes
[01:21] <zmjjmz> doing what, commander__
[01:22] <commander__> i need sound zmjjmz
[01:22] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, which question?
[01:22] <sako> Pici it says it will remove libgd2-noxpm then it installs libgd2-xpm?
[01:22] <sako> is that okay?
[01:22] <BronzeAu> or no in xserver-xorg
[01:22] <Pici> sako: that sounds okay to me
[01:22] <zmjjmz> that's fine
[01:22] <sako> great
[01:22] <sako> looks like they resolved the empathy issue btw
[01:22] <sako> :)
[01:22] <sako> just got an upgrade
[01:22] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no to the framebuffer question
[01:22] <test34> Flash on Karmic 64bit, sometimes you click X times and it does nothing (when trying to play a video for example)...  Is this a known bug ? I couldn't find it on launchpad
[01:23] <zmjjmz> test34: happens to me too
[01:23] <tuxxy> legend2440, VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:23] <tuxxy> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[01:23] <sako> any other useful packages like ubuntu-restricted-extras i should check out?
[01:23] <zmjjmz> you can't really file bugs against flash though
[01:23] <BronzeAu> Autodetect keyboard: yes or No
[01:23] <aprilhare> test34: are you still using the version in the repos? you're better off using the version from adobe (true 64 bit rather than wrappered)
[01:23] <commander__> zm u got any ideals?
[01:23] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no
[01:23] <BronzeAu> K
[01:23] <zmjjmz> commander__: yea, but my ideals won't help your sound problem
[01:24] <aprilhare> it may be alpha but its good alpha rather than drop bear alpha
[01:24] <test34> aprilhare, maybe that is the problem then, let me see
[01:24] <zmjjmz> commander__: did you try restarting either alsa-utils or pulseaudio>
[01:24] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: is there a 32-bit version of that then?
[01:24] <tuxxy> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:24] <legend2440> tuxxy: yes i've had that error. so  make your changes then click  save xc configuration and in the box click Show Preview and copy then paste into xorg.conf
[01:24] <commander__> where is pulseaudio?
[01:25] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: the amd64 version of adobe flash in the ubuntu repos is in fact the 32 bit version in a 64 bit wrapper
[01:25] <test34> aprilhare, I thought there was no 64bit versions and that they all use the wrappers
[01:25] <aprilhare> test34: untrue
[01:25] <legend2440> tuxxy: may want ot backup old xorg.conf  just in case
[01:25] <tuxxy> legend2440, where is this preview buttion bud
[01:25] <tuxxy> oh its ok I can always reconfigure xorg
[01:25] <aprilhare> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[01:25] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: so would I see any improvement using Adobe's alpha on an atom?
[01:25] <commander__> synaptic said i got it installed but where?
[01:25] <wirechief_> the karmic installer is hung configuring Apt, whats the best way to proceed ?
[01:25] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, hows it going?
[01:25] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: give it a try, you will receive less crashes methinks
[01:26] <BronzeAu> Ok - It's overwritten the file
[01:26] <legend2440> tuxxy: click Save X config button then box pops up  Show Preview is in there
[01:26] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: ok
[01:26] <zmjjmz> I'll try that then
[01:26] <test34> zmjjmz, with 32bit you dont have this problem
[01:26] <tuxxy> legend2440, if I clcik save to x config file it errors with this "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[01:26] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, ok now try      sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:26] <zmjjmz> test34: yeah, but flash is still shat
[01:26] <BronzeAu> Gave me a heap of questions about my keyboard
[01:26] <tuxxy> then shuts down
[01:26] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yeah well... you may have answered yes to detect keyboard or something.
[01:27] <DanaG> For me, I'd rather have nspluginwrapper... even if it makes Flash crash more often, it ALSO makes crashes not take down the browser.
[01:27] <legend2440> tuxxy: are you in gksudo nvidia-settings? if so close out and open from the system>admin>nvidia settings in the menu
[01:27] <aprilhare> DanaG: erm. i don't see how that is true. it reduces crashes altogether.
[01:28] <DanaG> I've still had Flash take down the browser in the 64-bit Flash 10.
[01:28] <aprilhare> ok whatever
[01:28] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, ok so have you tried      sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart    ?  If it gives the blank screen again, you return with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:28] <test34> aprilhare, should I uninstall the deb flash32 bit before installing the 64bit tar.gz?
[01:28] <tuxxy> legend2440, it gives mem same error as I was using gksudo
[01:29] <aprilhare> test34: i believe it would be wise yes
[01:29] <FloridaGuy> where's can i get the latest kde for ubuntu 9.10
[01:29] <BronzeAu> It came up with a interface asking yes or no because there is already an xserver currently running
[01:29] <commander__> z where do i go to restart it and more importantly find it?
[01:29] <commander__> !!
[01:29] <BronzeAu> Also told me instructions to change consoles
[01:30] <legend2440> tuxxy: after you press  Save X configuration button does a box pop up?
[01:30] <BronzeAu> like Ctrl+Alt+7
[01:30] <tuxxy> yes an erro box with the error "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[01:30] <tuxxy> *error
[01:31] <tuxxy> and in terminal it reads
[01:31] <tuxxy> VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:31] <tuxxy> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[01:31] <tuxxy> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:31] <BronzeAu> So yes or no the the "X server already running on display" questions
[01:31] <legend2440> tuxxy: can you paste your xorg.conf file?
[01:31] <legend2440> !paste
[01:31] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try sudo reboot at this point.
[01:31] <tuxxy> sure
[01:32] <BronzeAu> Ok. so don't choose yes or no then. Just exit out of menu and sudo reboot.
[01:32] <tuxxy> legend2440, http://pastie.org/646250
[01:32] <BronzeAu> Thanks for your patience fluvvell for you support btw.
[01:35] <Berzerker-> having a problem, just installed karmic on my desktop
[01:35] <BronzeAu> Nope. No luck. same same
[01:35] <Berzerker-> installed the nvidia driver and now I can't startx
[01:35] <Berzerker-> says no screens found
[01:35] <BronzeAu> Plan D?
[01:35] <benh> so today updates don't fix the GSM
[01:36] <BronzeAu> I'm back at terminal. No boot.
[01:36] <tuxxy> legend2440, maybe I should just paste my old xorg into the new on
[01:36] <legend2440> tuxxy: yea that how mine looked when i installed karmic. but i just copied and pasted from the preview window . yes i would try that
[01:37] <[31d1]_> hmm, apt wants to remove startupmanager and grub, to upgrade grub-common and grub-pc
[01:37] <test34> aprilhare, so far flash 64 bit version is working good, thanks !
[01:37] <aprilhare> np
[01:37] <[31d1]_> i wonder if that's what i'm supposed to do, or if i just need to wait for further updates
[01:37] <BronzeAu> Any idea guys?
[01:37] <Berzerker-> anyone?
[01:37] <zmjjmz> how can I check what version of flash I'm using?
[01:38] <tuxxy> ok brb
[01:38] <Berzerker-> [31d1]_, did you look at what it installs? maybe it installs it again
[01:38] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: if you get lots of npviewer crashes you're using wrappered ver
[01:38] <test34> zmjjmz, riight click on a flash video and click about flash
[01:38] <legend2440> tuxxy: actually before i did clean install of karmic i saved xorg.conf from jaunty and used that
[01:38] <aprilhare> its a bit hard since both vers have same ver string
[01:38] <aprilhare> size
[01:38] <aprilhare> size is the easiest way to tell
[01:39] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, so you've rebooted and no joy?
[01:39] <infexion> ok so are any other people have problems with sound in 9.10?
[01:39] <BronzeAu> No joy - same same
[01:39] <[31d1]_> Berzerker-: http://ix.io/mX from aptitude full-upgrade
[01:39] <zmjjmz> yeah
[01:39] <zmjjmz> I'm using Adobe's latest
[01:39] <zmjjmz> still shat
[01:39] <BronzeAu> I'm not worried. The machine is a test machine only and for me to learn more about terminal commands
[01:39] <[31d1]_> looks plausible
[01:40] <Berzerker-> aprilhare, any idea?
[01:40] <infexion> I have some strange jarring pop noise that occurs after a sound starts playing... but if I continually play sound there are no problems ie. playing music.
[01:40] <Berzerker-> aprilhare, installed nvidia driver, now I can't startx
[01:40] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, the problem lies with either your graphics / monitor selection or your gdm.  At least you can describe your problem a bit more clearly now.
[01:40] <BronzeAu> I'm happy to just reinstall Jaunty if this TS is to much bother to people here.
[01:41] <aprilhare> Berzerker-: sorry no idea. nvidia working fine here
[01:41] <test34> my gmail is crashing firefox now...
[01:41] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you have an nvidia or ati graphics card?
[01:41] <infexion> BronzeAu: I reinstalled 9.04 just so I could get back some functionality. I figure it is better for now until they actually come out with an official release.
[01:41] <BronzeAu> Whats gdm stand for: Grub ...
[01:41] <infexion> BronzeAu: but for the sake of figuring out bugs try to get it working for now
[01:41] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, gnome display manager
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Ok - well I'll just go with the reinstall. The updates are killing my download allocation after three attempts (3x700mb) to get a good Karmic image.
[01:42] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you're way past grub and you don't need to reinstall if you can solve this.
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Ok - got gdm. Ta
[01:42] <zmjjmz> or you could give up and install slim
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Happy to persist if you guys want to. could be valuable intel.
[01:44] <DanaG> hmm, "nvidia" -- you should say what driver, and what sort of card.
[01:44] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, any ideas what your graphics card is?
[01:44] <aprilhare> bye
[01:44] <BronzeAu> So where to from here? Do you want me to see what sort of card I have?
[01:45] <BronzeAu> Ok - Can I find out via software or bust open the case and see.
[01:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, also what happens if you boot with a kernel older than the latest? (maybe item 3 on your grub boot menu?)
[01:45] <BronzeAu> It should be in the Bios yes?
[01:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, probably not in your bios
[01:46] <commander_> i need some help with my sound
[01:46] <BronzeAu> Ok - Will try the older kernel.
[01:46] <BronzeAu> Give me a sec - it's across the room.
[01:46] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, if you prefix your reply with my nick and a punctuation mark, I'll get an indication you replied to me rather than a general comment to all.
[01:47] <zmjjmz> commander_: so restarting pulseaudio and/or alsa-utils didn't work?
[01:48] <commander_> nope
[01:49] <commander_> i dunno how to get alsa utils u guys aren't being specific
[01:50] <DanaG> BronzeAu: lspci should tell you the video card.
[01:52] <BronzeAu> Hmmm - that was interesting. When I rebooted it said it had to shut down the Gnome Display Manager first. No luck booting with the older kernel.
[01:53] <BronzeAu> Ok - What do I do with Iscpi? Just type it into the terminal?
[01:53] <DanaG> yeah. And look for a line with nvidia.
[01:53] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Like this fluvvell?
[01:53] <DanaG> easier:
[01:53] <DanaG> lspci | grep VGA
[01:54] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yep
[01:54] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Ok - Getting up to speed on the IRC ettiquette
[01:54] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, good, whats the response regarding the VGA?
[01:54] <commander_> CAN SOMEONE HELP PLEASE!!!1
[01:55] <commander_> That's all i ask
[01:55] <fluvvell> commander_ , you may have to be patient untill someone becomes free
[01:55] <commander_> i been patient all day to be exact
[01:55] <BronzeAu> DanaG: What do I do with the Ispci? do I type it into the Terminal, Google it, look t up on Wikipediea?
[01:55] <DanaG> If it's just one line (with the 'grep'), you can paste it here.
[01:56] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, type lspci | grep VGA    exactly as it is.  The upline is usually above the enter key
[01:56] <DanaG> With shift.
[01:56] <fluvvell> DanaG; hes on another pc
[01:56] <BronzeAu> Ok - Ta. Sorry for my denseness
[01:58] <BronzeAu> Yeah - Computer says "Command Not Found".
[01:58] <fluvvell> commander_, don't forget this is community ie FREE support, nobody is paid. You may be able to access an expert in your area if its urgent.
[01:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you typed it wront
[01:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you typed it wrong (lol!)
[01:59] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try the lower case version of   LSPCI    first
[01:59] <BronzeAu> I typed lspci | grepVGA
[01:59] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you also need a space after grep
[02:00] <BronzeAu> ok. Will do that
[02:01] <BronzeAu> Ok - that worked
[02:01] <BronzeAu> typeing it in now
[02:02] <BronzeAu> 01:05.0 VGA compatable controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Raedon Espress 200 G series]
[02:03] <BronzeAu> I also says before I did the graphics card search that i have 5 files that need updating.
[02:04] <BronzeAu> "5 packages can be updated 0 packages are security updates.
[02:04] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Sorry I forgot to use you nick.
[02:04] <commander_> z my sound card is Realtek ALC268
[02:05] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yep
[02:05] <DanaG> Is that on the system you installed nvidia drivers on?
[02:05] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you've just hit the problem on the head.
[02:05] <yoga> I wonder where is the menu.lst file?
[02:05] <Berzerker_> DanaG, is what the system
[02:06] <BronzeAu> commander: I know its frustrating mae but it the risk we take.
[02:06] <DanaG> Meaning, if you have two computers, you ran the command on the one with the problem, right?
[02:06] <yoga> How do I set the bot menu?
[02:06] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, in fact I'm about to travel to my fathers house to fix the very same graphics card based issue with exactly the same faults. Its a 3 hr drive,
[02:06] <Berzerker-> DanaG, yes, I'm on a different computer right now. other one is sitting at a console
[02:06] <DanaG> ah, anyway, the output from the broken one says ATI?  If so, the solution is simple: just remove the nvidia drivers.
[02:07] <Berzerker-> what?
[02:07] <BronzeAu> Bugger - well: Who know's you might have the answer before you go at this rate. he he
[02:07] <Berzerker-> they're nvidia cards
[02:07] <Berzerker-> and nothing says ATI
[02:07] <DanaG> er, sorry, two overlapping conversations.
[02:07] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Whoops. Forgot nic again. Grrrr
[02:07] <Berzerker-> oh
[02:07] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, so you could keep asking here in the meantime. I recommend you don't try a reinstall as once it updates, you'll probably be back in the same boat.
[02:07] <DanaG> Meant that for BronzeAu.  Sorry me.
[02:07] <DanaG> er, silly me.
[02:08] <BronzeAu> Hmmm - Rock | me | hardplace.
[02:08] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, sorry mate - I have to shoot. But As I said, keep asking and now you have more ammo.  Your graphics card, no desktop and (I'm guessing) karmic koala with updates installed.
[02:09] <BronzeAu> Thanks fluvvell
[02:10] <BronzeAu> So... Commander : I'll fix your sound problem and you can fix my boot problem eh?
[02:13] <BronzeAu> Hi guys.
[02:13] <virtuald> i hear no sound from empathy. why is that?
[02:14] <BronzeAu> Commander is having problems with his sound card and I'm having boot problems. Any helpers?
[02:16] <yoga> I just upgrade to KDE 4.3.2, the X Window will restart it self from time to time, anyone have the same problem?
[02:16] <wirechief_> ubuntu-netbook-remix will not install it stops on configuring apt at 80% is this a known issue ?
[02:17] <BronzeAu> Yeah - there are no gurus active here at the moment. I just went into #ubuntu and invited some people to come and help. No joy by the looks though.
[02:17] <commander__> does anyone have any suggestions
[02:17] <lfaraone> wirechief_: uh, what is it configuring?
[02:17] <BronzeAu> BRB - Will ask again in 20.
[02:17] <commander__> my sound card is a RealTek ALC268
[02:17] <wirechief_> its in the installer and the stage that apt is being configured
[02:18] <BronzeAu> Going to try some sudo updates and see if that fixes it.
[02:18] <wirechief_> i have tried twice now and it fails at the same place
[02:18] <wirechief_> the cd checks out ok with the integrity check and sha256sum on the download
[02:18] <Skif> wirechief_: I'm running UNR-karmic now, but I installed as of about three weeks ago. :(  Maybe try an older install image?
[02:18] <MindSpark> hi, I've noticed during upgrades that I am getting this error every time: something about the eeepc-laptop module build failed and installation skipped
[02:19] <wirechief_> Skif thats a idea, also it wont boot from a usb stick
[02:19] <MindSpark> I think this is affecting my wifi from running unless restarted every time it goes to sleep and often needs several restarts
[02:19] <oldude67> commander__, do you have any sound at all?
[02:19] <DanaG> BronzeAu: oh yeah, so if the thing has an ATI card, then it has no business having NVIDIA drivers installed.  =þ
[02:19] <wirechief_> either that or ill just install debian.
[02:20] <wirechief_> and wait for the final, this thing is pretty buggy at the moment
[02:20] <commander__> none only a beep when i shut down and manuallt reboot
[02:20] <oldude67> commander__, what desktop are you running gnome or kde???
[02:20] <commander__> gnome
[02:21] <commander__> oldude67
[02:21] <oldude67> commander__, go into system settings under multimedia and see if it loaded the sound card.
[02:21] <Berzerker-> how do I uninstall nvidia drivers from the command line?
[02:22] <commander__> how do i getthere
[02:22] <Skif> I recently upgraded to karmic (and then reinstalled), and ever since, my microphone (built-in on a HP Mini 110) hasn't worked.
[02:22] <commander__> thru terminal
[02:22] <oldude67> commander__,give me a minute and i will switch to gnome desktop and give you a hand installing a few things at the moment tho.
[02:23] <Skif> Sound Preferences notices it, says it's not muted, but nothing comes out when I try Skype or Cheese.
[02:23] <commander__> ok
[02:23] <jdfoote3> Hi - I just installed Karmic, and I can't get network-manager to work. When I try to connect to a wireless network, the network-manager icon disappears. Can anyone help?
[02:23] <Skif> jdfoote3: that *just* happened to me yesterday.  I upgraded about 5 minutes ago, and now it's working.\
[02:23] <oldude67> jdfoote3, are you using that machine now?
[02:23] <oldude67> jdfoote3, if so update
[02:24] <jdfoote3> oldude67 Unfortunately, I don't have a wired connection
[02:24] <jdfoote3> So I'm kinda stuck
[02:25] <oldude67> ok be back in a minute.
[02:25] <jdfoote3> oldude67: awesome, thanks
[02:25] <Skif> I even fired up alsamixer and made sure everything there was unmuted and set to its highest level, and still can't seem to record any sound.  Any ideas?
[02:26] <yoga> exit
[02:28] <BronzeAu> any Gurus here yet?
[02:28] <zachtib> hey, I was wondering about the version of Eclipse that ships with Karmic. It was updated (finally!) to 3.5.1, but other packages, specifically eclipse-cdt are on much older versions. the version of eclipse-cdt is 3.1.2, while the version that corresponds to eclipse 3.5.1 is cdt 6.0.1
[02:28] <zachtib> I mentioned this to my mother, who does some development for eclipse, and she wasn't even sure such an old cdt build would work with eclipse 3.5
[02:29] <oldude67> commander__, ok im in gnome now, let me make sure its all up and running real quick
[02:29] <NoelJB> zachtib, well, if someone who cared actually maintained the package, it could be kept more up to date.
[02:30] <zachtib> NoelJB: yeah... I'm just worried someone will install eclipse and eclipse-cdt in Karmic and it'll break =/
[02:30] <jdfoote3> So, is there any way to update network-manager without being connected to the Internet? Can you manually update?
[02:30] <oldude67> commander__, ok at the top of do you see the tab that system? if so click on it and go to preferences and then to system settings.
[02:31] <oldude67> commander__, in the systems settings you will see a icon that says multimedia and click on it and see if your sound card comes up.
[02:31] <NoelJB> zachtib, eclipse is maintained by Ubuntu, eclipse-cdt by MOTU.
[02:31] <BronzeAu> This is my problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- 46sec mark. Flavvell Isolated the problem to either the Graphics Monitor or the GDM. Any further help please
[02:31] <oldude67> jdfoote3, if you have no network and cant reach the internet then it would be hard to update
[02:32]  * NoelJB just booked travel for the UDS.  :-)
[02:32] <jdfoote3> oldude67, Ok, I guess I'll figure out a way to get it connected
[02:32] <jdfoote3> Thanks
[02:32] <zachtib> ok... I'm thinking this late the best thing might be to remove eclipse-cdt from the repos and just install it via eclipse's addon mngr
[02:32] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, ?
[02:32] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, what's up?
[02:32] <test34> jdfoote3, download the update with a computer that is connected to the internet, then copy the files on a CD and transfer to the computer without network
[02:32] <wirechief_> The cd past the media test and the sha256sum check, I have tried twice to install and it fails at the same point at 80 % configuring Apt
[02:32] <wirechief_> I tried to use the "skip" however that doesnt seem to have any affect.
[02:32] <wirechief_> I am installing the distro on a Acer Aspire one N250 with atom processor, I have installed ubuntu Januty remix 9.04 and it had worked fine so I know that it should work. It has been over 30 minutes on this step of the install at the moment and i will let it continue till tommorow.
[02:33] <NoelJB> what test34 said would work :-)
[02:33] <wirechief_> dam
[02:33] <jdfoote3> test34, how would I do that?
[02:33] <jdfoote3> Where could I d/l the update from?
[02:33] <NoelJB> zachtib, not a bad idea
[02:33] <jdfoote3> Right now I have a Windows box that is working, sitting next to my Ubuntu box that isn't connected
[02:33] <jdfoote3> I can move files via a flash drive or whatever
[02:33] <BronzeAu> Any takers???
[02:34] <jdfoote3> Basically, it sounds like I just need to update network-manager
[02:34] <Skif> interestingly, when I record a movie in cheese, the video starts updating VERY VERY slowly. I wonder if something in the PulseAudio chain is slowing down sound recording to the point where it isn't getting processed by the app until after the app has stopped recording sound?
[02:34] <Skif> I remember in jaunty I had to uninstall pulseaudio to get any sound recorded at all, but I was hoping to not have to do that with karmic.
[02:34] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, for individual packages, there are several ways, but personally, I'd just download the current ones from the Network Manager PPA.
[02:34] <Crypia> Hello - How can I change the startup order of gmd in Karmic?  I'm at a bit of a loss with upstart and am wondering if gdm
[02:34] <jdfoote3> Do I just d/l the newest version of network-manager, with its required libraries? Once I do that, how do I tell my box to use those files to update?
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, what is broken, specifically?
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, wait ... better thought ...
[02:35] <BronzeAu> Crypia - You and I might have the same prob I think.
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, download the current iso, and then when you book karmic, tell it to update from the iso.
[02:35] <NoelJB> that ought to work.,
[02:36] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, when I start my computer, network manager loads, then when I try to connect to a network, network-manager disappers
[02:36] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it not possible to move gdm's startup order?  I'm starting to think it isn't :(
[02:36] <BronzeAu> I'm having gdm probs too.
[02:36] <jbuncher> BronzeAu, what gdm probs?
[02:36] <BronzeAu> Crypia - I don't know. Thats why I'm here too.
[02:36] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, where do I tell it to update from the .iso? In Update manager?
[02:36] <BronzeAu> Wont progress.
[02:36] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, try downloading the current daily build, burning the CD, and then telling karmic to upgrade using it.  I believe that should work.  anyone?
[02:36] <Crypia> BronzeAu: how's it affecting you?  I need gdm to wait just a bit during startup so I can get a few other services to start first, namely mysql, mythbackend and lircd
[02:37] <BronzeAu> Sorry - forgot nic. new to IRC
[02:37] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, that sounds doable, I'll start d/ling the ISO
[02:37] <test34> jdfoote3, try ftp://lug.mtu.edu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/ (in internet explorer or whatever)
[02:37] <BronzeAu> Mine just stalls I think: See 46sec mark here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk
[02:38] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, software sources ought to help, if you have the CD in the drive.
[02:38] <Skif> No ideas about recording sound?
[02:38] <Berzerker-> how can I install nvidia 180 without installing 185? when I run apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 it says it's going to install 185 also
[02:38] <IndyGunFreak> is anyone else not getting sound in empathy?
[02:38] <NoelJB> Berzerker-, you can't  we don't use 180 anymore.  185.36 is the standard driver for karmic.
[02:38] <Crypia> BronzeAu: have you applied all the updates that are available?
[02:38] <NoelJB> the fact that 180 points to 185 is to transition.
[02:39] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, 185 doesn't work for me.
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It's either my gdm or graphics monitor selection. but thats as far as I have got so far.
[02:39] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, gives me flickering screen ending in a GDM crash on boot
[02:39] <test34> Berzerker-, get it straight from nvidia.com ?
[02:39] <Crypia> BronzeAu: are you in front of that computer right now?
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Tried - tried and tried. Keep not connecting to the manager
[02:39] <Berzerker-> test34, no I used the hardware drivers window
[02:39] <NoelJB> Berzerker-, sorry.  works for me.  unfortunately, you can report it, but most likely only nvidia can fix it.
[02:39] <jdfoote3> test34, what file do I want? I mean, the ideal would be if I could just update network-manager (or whatever libraries are broken)...
[02:39] <test34> Berzerker-, I mean try to get it from nvidia.com
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Yep. Well - its across the room.
[02:40] <test34> jdfoote3, try what NoelJB said then
[02:40] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you probably just need some updates, can you connect to it on the network or does it lockup hard?
[02:40] <NoelJB> if you don't like 185, you can try 190.  if you don't like either, you can do what I used to do, and install manually from the nvidia web site.
[02:40] <jdfoote3> Ok - thanks test34 and NoelJB, I'll try some things :)
[02:40] <BronzeAu> Compared the UUID's and conf.d/resume. no joy there either.
[02:40] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, basically, you want all of the karmic packages from here: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages
[02:41] <NoelJB> as a quick and dirty.  but try the ISO first.
[02:41] <Berzerker-> how do I stop GDM
[02:41] <Berzerker-> from a console
[02:41] <NoelJB> service gdm stop
[02:41] <BronzeAu> I'm net connected on both computers but it won't resolve the addresses.
[02:41] <Berzerker-> didn't work
[02:41] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry keep forgetting to use you nic
[02:41] <Berzerker-> oh had to sudo
[02:41] <Crypia> BronzeAu: can you go to that Karmic computer and hit the control-alt-F1 buttons?  that should get you a text-login prompt unless the pc is completely locked up
[02:42] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, should I download a precompiled kernel intereface?
[02:42] <BronzeAu> I'm in terminal now.
[02:42] <jdfoote3> Thanks, NoelJB, will do
[02:42] <BronzeAu> Have tried sudo apt-get update; upgrade and dist-upgrade.
[02:42] <Berzerker-> oh nvm
[02:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: update everything, login and do this "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -y -u upgrade"
[02:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: I'll bet that fixes your issues, if after you update and reboot, let me know if you still have the issue
[02:43] <BronzeAu> Crypia: When I do sudo apt-get update it comes back with two pages of "Failed to fetch..."
[02:43] <jdfoote3> NoelJB or test34, is this the right place for the updated ISO? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:44] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it plugged into the network with a network cable?
[02:44] <Berzerker-> test34, file straight from nvidia doesn't work
[02:44] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Ok - will try that then. Yeah. Network cable.
[02:44] <Berzerker-> does the same thing
[02:44] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, yes
[02:44] <BronzeAu> Yep - Black Cat5
[02:45] <Crypia> Crypia: try this before the updates "sudo ifup eth0", for some reason my eth0 (1st network card) was down until I brought it up
[02:45] <test34> Berzerker-, you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver fron nvidia to nv until you figure something out (at least it will work but without acceleration)
[02:46] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Do I enter the entire string including the ; or both commands seperately?
[02:46] <Crypia> BronzeAu: I used my nick lol, try this before the updates "sudo ifup eth0", for some reason my eth0 (1st network card) was down until I brought it up
[02:46] <Crypia> the ; seperates two commands that you can type on the same line, it's just a handy thing to do
[02:46] <Berzerker-> test34, nv does the same thing
[02:46] <test34> Berzerker-, what does it do?
[02:47] <Berzerker-> test34, screen flickers ending in a GDM crash
[02:47] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Ok. Trying now - Will reply with result.
[02:47] <Berzerker-> down to console
[02:47] <test34> Berzerker-, when I had this problem, I had to do a apt-get update; upgrade; dist-upgrade from the live-cd
[02:48] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  It say it ignoring the unknown interface eth0
[02:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  So does that mean no connectivity.
[02:49] <Crypia> BronzeAu: what does "sudo ifconfig" show?  any good IP addresses other than 127.0.0.1?
[02:49] <test34> Berzerker-, try this: http://pastie.org/646303
[02:49] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yup, your not connecting to the Internet
[02:50] <test34> Berzerker-, just change /dev/sda1 for your / partition
[02:50] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry not good at terminal at all hence why I'm here. It said command not found to sudo ipconfig
[02:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: it's ifconfig, not ipconfig (ipconfig is windows)
[02:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: ifconfig, as in interface config
[02:51] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry mybad.
[02:52] <tj83> gnome seems like tripping acid today
[02:52] <DanaG> oh yeah, about nvidia drivers... I think there's a ppa with some other versions somewhere.\
[02:52] <BronzeAu> Crypia: That displayed a page of data - what do we need to know from it?
[02:53] <tj83> DanaG, so your saying there is a new bug in nvidia driver and should get out of ppa?
[02:53] <Crypia> BronzeAu: any nice ip addresses, like 192.168.1.22 or something similar?
[02:53] <DanaG> no, I'm just saying that a PPA exists.
[02:53] <BronzeAu> tj83: Apparently there was an update yesterday. Hence why.
[02:54] <DanaG> I haven't used nvidia in a while... my nvidia (GF Go 7600) laptop is laying on a shelf; my new one uses ATI.
[02:54] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So type that in after the sudo ifconfig?
[02:54] <tj83> DanaG, BronzeAu i mean, its usable, i am sure wont be long before new update sets it right?
[02:55] <Crypia> BronzeAu: nope, we're just looking for any valid IP addresses in the page of stuff you got from "sudo ifconfig", trying to figure out why you're not on the internet
[02:55] <tj83> should specify the device too sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.22
[02:55] <Berzerker-> test34, that cp command doesn't work, says the two are the same file
[02:55] <tj83> Crypia, you check dns info?
[02:56] <tj83> can you ping the router?
[02:56] <test34> Berzerker-, try to skip that cp command
[02:56] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  There are no ip's displayed except for the 127 one.
[02:56] <Crypia> tj83: nope, didn't check that yet, I'd like to know what his subnet is before sugging a router ping, but that's a good thought
[02:56] <test34> Berzerker-, it is not always necessary
[02:57] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you're networking isn't configured for some reason, you're not using MAC filtering on your router's switch are you?  Has this pc connected to the internet with another OS before?
[02:57] <test34> or maybe even never..
[02:57] <BronzeAu> Crypia & tj83: I gotta learn your language. I guess I'm inthe right place to do that.
[02:59] <Berzerker-> test34, ok now what, reboot?
[02:59] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Has been on the ney for years where it is on XP, Live CD's Dapper right through, Yesterday with Fedora11, windows7 and then Jaunty install and Karmic Upgrade. Thats where things went wrong. 3/4's through it spat the dummy and wont reboot since. I rebooted this morning after a night of downloads to no go.
[02:59] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432620
[03:00] <darthanubis> YEA! The bug I submitted is being FIXED!
[03:00] <darthanubis> LOVE THAT!
[03:00] <tj83> BronzeAu, if you just do sudo dhclient etho (wire)
[03:00] <tj83> what happens?
[03:00] <darthanubis> now if we can just get LIFEREA fixed that'd be great. I need my feeds
[03:00] <BronzeAu> Ok brb
[03:00] <test34> Berzerker-, did it update anything?
[03:01] <Berzerker-> test34, yes, linux kernel, that was about it
[03:01] <Berzerker-> test34, still doing the same thing though
[03:01] <test34> Berzerker-, sorry then I don't know that worked for me
[03:01] <Berzerker-> welp, back to jaunty
[03:02] <BronzeAu> Crypia: it said "syntax error near unexpected token '('
[03:02] <tj83> BronzeAu, sorry ont use (wire) thats not part of the command
[03:03] <tj83> dont*
[03:03] <BronzeAu> Crypia: If I leave off the (wire) it says command not found.
[03:03] <DanaG> eth0
[03:03] <BronzeAu> Ok. will replace o with 0
[03:03] <tj83> ah, yes. eth0
[03:04] <Crypia> BronzeAu: make sure you type dhclient too, not dhpclient
[03:04] <tj83> hey, i had that part correct
[03:04] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It want nuts! Filled the page with stuff which I'm sure will be useful/ What do we need to know from it.
[03:05] <tj83> www.pastebin.ca
[03:05] <tj83> paste it in there, give us the URL
[03:05] <Crypia> tj83: yup, you did, I jus thought BronzeAu might not have since he got command not found
[03:05] <Crypia> tj83: he can't get to pastebin from that pc :(
[03:05] <tj83> it will hopefully give you a lease "sucessful"
[03:06] <tj83> no lease? it will say sleeping
[03:07] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It said lots of stuff like Listening, Sending, Sending on, listed heaps of IP addresses, a DHCPACK etc etc
[03:07] <tj83> right BronzeAu the result is the important part
[03:07] <tj83> and if it were heaps, then likely no lease
[03:08] <BronzeAu> at the end it said "Renewal in 41630 seconds"
[03:08] <Crypia> Crypia: does "sudo ifconfig" give you some IP address anywhere?  like 192.168.1.22 ?
[03:08] <mark232> quick stupid question: are there no proper localizations yet for the 9.10 beta? or am I looking in the wrong places?
[03:08] <Crypia> shoot, I'm Crypia lol
[03:08] <Crypia> BronzeAu: now try "sudo apt-get update ; sudo -y -u apt-get upgrade"
[03:08] <tj83> we are off tonight its ok, it my b-day, slightly intoxicated.
[03:09] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks so much for your patience.
[03:09] <joelle> Just updated to karmic beta, snd-hda-intel is spamming dmesg with spurious response messages, sound doesn't work. any ideas?
[03:09] <Crypia> tj83: brilliant idea with dhclient
[03:09] <bobertdos> Anyone else noticing the fast switcher crashing, causing the graphical shutdown options to close in the top panel? (Gnome, obviously)
[03:10] <tj83> I cant believe the talk of all this visual problems in karmic so late. :(
[03:10] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Connected and downloading
[03:10] <joelle> I don't have any visual ones, just lack of auditory ones ;)
[03:11] <Crypia> joelle: what version of alsa comes with karmic anyway? 1.0.20?
[03:11] <Crypia> BronzeAu: Let's see what happens after a reboot after all the updates, let me know
[03:11] <tj83> joelle, was it working before recent updates?
[03:11] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Hopefully these are the packages it couldn't get yesterday.
[03:11] <BronzeAu> Will sure do.
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Go you need other details from me to report this as a bug.
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Could be handy
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Doing headers now
[03:12] <Crypia> joelle: what does alsactl -v show?
[03:13] <tj83> i wish someone would fix my bug #254438
[03:13] <Skif> Anybody have any suggestions on why my microphone doesn't seem to be working with pulseaudio?
[03:13] <joelle> Crypia: sec
[03:13] <joelle> 1.0.20
[03:15] <tj83>  BronzeAu how did you get the updates w/out Internet connectivity?
[03:16] <joelle> Crypia: it seems it's trying to use the HDMI output, how can i tell it to not do that?
[03:16] <bobertdos> Skif: Have you checked the mic level in alsamixer (via the terminal)?
[03:16] <Skif> bobertdos: yep; turned everything on at its highest level.
[03:16] <Crypia> joelle: does "sudo /etc/init.d/./alsa-utils restart" or "sudo /etc/init.d/./alsasound restart" help?
[03:16] <Skif> bobertdos: interestingly, when I unmute everything in alsamixer, the sound preferences dialog claims the mic is muted, and vice-versa.
[03:16] <tj83> i got a update in which i went from one channel in alsamixer to many and in the gui it was unmuted and could not adjust sound up. in alsamixer i found 4 channels muted.
[03:16] <bobertdos> what program are you trying to use with it, Skif?
[03:17] <Skif> bobertdos: anything, really.  Cheese, Skype, you name it.
[03:17] <Crypia> Crypia: can you install gnome-alsamixer?  It's the best gui mixer to check certain boxes and settings
[03:17] <Crypia> joelle: sorry, using my own nic again, can you install gnome-alsamixer?  It's the best gui mixer to check certain boxes and settings
[03:18] <bobertdos> hmm
[03:18] <BronzeAu> tj83: It's connected now
[03:18] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Finished Crypia. Should I sudo reboot now.
[03:19] <Skif> bobertdos: when I record a movie via cheese, it get INCREDIBLY slow.  Like multiple seconds per frame slow.  I suspect a connection.
[03:19] <BronzeAu> tj83: I don't know how we got it connected?
[03:19] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yeah, reboot, let see what happens, if it still fails then we should figure out why you're not connecting to the network during bootup, that might hangup gdm a bit since it's network aware
[03:19] <joelle> Crypia: I don't see any cards other than the HDMI (silicon image chip).
[03:20] <mark232> are we not able to test the localizations in the beta?
[03:20] <joelle> that's no good :|
[03:20] <Crypia> joelle: are there still more updates available?  "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -y -u upgrade" ?
[03:20] <BronzeAu> Crypia: is the command simply sudo reboot?
[03:20] <Crypia> BronzeAu: sudo shutdown -r now
[03:21] <test34> sudo reboot should also work
[03:21] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Can you link me to somewhere on the net that has all the common commands and the correct grammar please?
[03:22] <joelle> Crypia: doing it now
[03:22] <commander__> can anyone help me with my sound?
[03:22] <commander__> i have a Realtek ALC268
[03:22] <commander__> sound card
[03:22] <commander__> hope tht enuff info
[03:22] <kruykaze> amarok is not playing songs in karmic
[03:23] <zmjjmz> commander__: open alsamixer
[03:23] <tj83> BronzeAu, "all" of them lol? that would be awesome
[03:23] <zmjjmz> select that
[03:23] <Crypia> BronzeAu: this might be a start --> http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[03:23] <commander__> ok it's open
[03:23] <commander__> i got alsamixergui
[03:23] <joelle> upgrading now. I'll let you know how it goes, Crypia
[03:24] <tj83> BronzeAu, even if you could find a list of all them, would probably have to be in database form... too many, and still yet the all the options to said number of commands are forever endless
[03:24] <tj83> lol
[03:25] <Crypia> joelle: do a reboot after it's all done
[03:26] <test34> tj: autocomplete command could possible take care of the options?
[03:26] <BronzeAu> Crypia: UPDATE: Ok. It said Loading grub then lost video signal for about 10 seconds. I go to read (Development Branch) in the boot up before that so it has updated from the older. Final line says : "Kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot..." then it just lists the version and end with terminal prompt.
[03:26] <Skif> here's a screenshot of gnome-alsamixer (with my mic not working): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33273631/Screenshot-GNOME%20ALSA%20Mixer.png
[03:26] <test34> possibly
[03:27] <commander__> zmj i opened it now what?
[03:27] <Crypia> BronzeAu: are any of the options 2.6.31-11?
[03:28] <test34> 2.6.31-12 is out now
[03:28] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it at a login prompt or the grub boot menu prompt?
[03:29] <joelle> Crypia: and all of a sudden there's sound. thanks ;)
[03:30] <commander__> hello
[03:31] <wastrel> hey dudes is there a way to fix url parsing in gnome-terminal
[03:31] <Crypia> joelle: sweet!  I've had some weirdness with sound too, mute is sometimes on, or volumes set to ZERO, etc...
[03:31] <wastrel> like how it breaks at :'s and whatnot
[03:31] <test34> mute constantly comes back.. after updates maybe?
[03:31] <BronzeAu> Crypia: it does not say the version although it may have said it in the selection to boot screen at the beginning. It does say however that it was..."trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and then lists my massive uuid#
[03:32] <Crypia> test34: I'm on server x64 and don't see 2.6.31-12 yet
[03:32] <Crypia> BronzeAu: ewwww
[03:32] <BronzeAu> Crypia: I don't know what prompt I'm at. When it stalled and lost video signal I went ctrl+alt and F1
[03:32] <test34> Crypia, I'm on desktop 64bit and I'm running it.. maybe you need a better mirror;)
[03:32] <BronzeAu> Crypia: LOL Your not filling me with joy Crypia. ROFL
[03:33] <Crypia> BronzeAu: try ctrl+alt and F7, that's where gdm should be, if that's not workign go to ctrl+alt and F2 and login at the text prompt
[03:33] <joelle> Crypia: new question for ya -- after the upgrade the screen brightness buttons stopped working. I know these are usually hit or miss, but since they worked before, figure I might as well mention it
[03:33] <Crypia> test34: I did switch my mirrors to get a nice fast one, but it might be a bit behind, but it's nice and fast ;)
[03:34] <Crypia> joelle: that's odd, I kind of that was more lower level hardware only, not an os function
[03:34] <test34> Crypia, I'd rather have one that is a little slower but more up-to-date
[03:35] <BronzeAu> Crypia: ctrl+alt F7 lost video signal. ctrl+alt f2 gave command prompt. Have logged in. am at steve@steve-desktop:~$
[03:35] <kruykaze> is there a good gmail notifier for karmic?
[03:35] <Crypia> test34: I'm the oposite, lol.  I'm using ftp.ussg.iu.edu
[03:35] <joelle> Crypia: it was definitely part of the OS-- a little thing came up on the screen
[03:35] <joelle> same as the volume
[03:35] <systemshock869> Anyone have their madwifi disappear after upgrading to karmic?
[03:36] <test34> Crypia, mine is slower but I'm all updated, sorry;)
[03:37] <test34> Crypia, you can download the updates at a faster speed later.. maybe tomorrow?
[03:37] <webbb82> i just got a big update  is there more comming?
[03:37] <test34> ok have fun good night
[03:37] <Crypia> test34: yeah, I'll check tomorow, I've got enough stuff finally working for today that I'm afraid to update ;)
[03:37] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So... Chalk it up to experience and go with a reinstall you reckon?
[03:37] <test34> Crypia, good point
[03:38] <Crypia> BronzeAu: which ISO did you installed from?
[03:38] <systemshock869> Can anyone help with the atheros madwifi driver?
[03:38] <systemshock869> Updated today and my wireless card disappeared
[03:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Jaunty. I had Dapper. Upgraded from the latest Linux mag here in Oz.
[03:39] <Crypia> Crypia: oh yuck, yeah, if you can save your data, wipe the partitions clean, repartition in ext4 and start from scratch
[03:39] <webbb82> what update did they just put out
[03:40] <BronzeAu> Happy to install again. I have two weeks off to play with all this stuff and two spare computers to do what I need to do. just testing Window 7 and the latestest and Greatest Fedora and Ubuntu / edubuntu.
[03:40] <Crypia> BronzeAu: sorry, wrong nick again, what's my problem?!:!  oh yuck, yeah, if you can save your data, wipe the partitions clean, repartition in ext4 and start from scratch
[03:41] <DanaG> weird... gnome-bluetooth shows bluetooth:disabled, yet "rfkill list" shows bluetooth being enabled.
[03:41] <DanaG> And gnome-bluetooth doesn't let me re-enable bluetooth.
[03:41] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Too easy - I can do that. Anything of value is on an est terra drive.
[03:41] <DanaG> https://myportal.calpoly.edu/render.userLayoutRootNode.uP;jsessionid=A9B6AE3809A8AE400C56C8E0F4CF31CE
[03:41] <wastrel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/377367
[03:42] <Crypia> BronzeAu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:42] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So look - thanks so much for your time and patience guys. especiall you Crypia. I really appreciate it. Do you want to or would you like me to try and log this as a bug or do you think the dev would already know about it?
[03:43] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thats an AMD image. I'm on a 32bit machine.
[03:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: It's up to you, they might be working on the bug already, see what happens after a super clean install
[03:44] <Crypia> BronzeAu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:45] <webbb82> im a little confused i just did apt-get upgrade --fix-missing and i get this   xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-wallpapers xulrunner-1.9.1 xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support
[03:45] <webbb82> 98 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:45] <webbb82> Need to get 6,749kB/206MB of archives.
[03:45] <webbb82> After this operation, 10.5MB disk space will be freed.
[03:45] <webbb82> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[03:45] <BronzeAu> Ok - Coolies. Thanks. I just cut the end off the link and redirected to i386
[03:46] <webbb82> oops sorry
[03:46] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Is that a bootable image?
[03:46] <Trizicus> how do I update grub2?
[03:46] <Trizicus> the menu
[03:47] <webbb82> can someone take a look and see whats going on http://pastebin.com/m6e4ee67d
[03:47] <webbb82> please
[03:47] <bobertdos> !grub2
[03:47] <Crypia> BronzeAu: oh yeah for sure, all the ISO's are, you know how to write it to a CD properly, right?
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you could do it from the command line on the current karmic install like this:
[03:48] <webbb82> i did fix missing and it was trying to del files not install missing stuff
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu:  wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:48] <commander__> how can i get alsa-utils?
[03:48] <commander__> oldude67 r u here?
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: cdrecord karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: and then you're done, the command line is your friend! :)
[03:48] <DanaG> handy hint for cd burning: burn at a slower-than-max speed.
[03:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks - I'll download it on this machine and burn it to disk when done.
[03:49] <DanaG> er, how'd I copy that address I pasted?
[03:49] <DanaG> I meant to paste this:
[03:49] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20091007-4.png
[03:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Haven't had a lot of luck with iso images. the last three had bad sums. My wife is not happy with our downloads atm.
[03:50] <Crypia> DanaG: how do people make boot charts like that?
[03:51] <DanaG> !info bootchart
[03:51] <Volkodav> anybody has the lock screen not working in xfce ?
[03:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: what do you have to loose other than a few cents for the CD, give it a shot, it might just work and you'll learn two new command ;)
[03:51] <webbb82> can someone look at this and see if they can figure out why its trying to remove files insted of install  missing  depends  http://pastebin.com/m6e4ee67d
[03:51] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks again. Thats a 1.5 hours download so I'll came backin when done and let those that are here know how I wen with the reinstall.
[03:51] <kruykaze> what replaces gm-notify in koala?
[03:52] <DanaG> hmm, so why is my boot so slow?
[03:52] <Zotha> I'm having problems getting 9.10 to work with my intel agn wireless adapter, also, cant get my sprint cdma evdo usb modem to work.  I can get wired eth0 to work though.
[03:52] <BronzeAu> Thanks Crypia: Have written it down. I will cross the room and give it a spin. Ta
[03:53] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yw and good luck
[03:53] <guest329104> Hello. Anyone here running Ubuntu 9.10 beta? I do not see icons next to the next of System -> Preferences, Administration, etc.
[03:53] <guest329104> Is this normal?
[03:53] <kruykaze> same problem here
[03:54] <guest329104> Ok good; I was thinking maybe I had a corrupt download o_o
[03:54] <kruykaze> hehe
[03:54] <kruykaze> you can always check the disc for errors
[03:55] <guest329104> kruykaze: I didn't feel like wasting yet another CD-R so I stuck it on a flash drive.
[03:55] <thiebaude> guest329104, you can add them back
[03:55] <kruykaze> :D
[03:55] <guest329104> thiebaude: Cool.
[03:55] <kruykaze> how did you mount it?
[03:56] <guest329104> kruykaze: When you switch themes, does it give a message saying "the theme will not look proper because you do not have the Human theme installed"?
[03:56] <kruykaze> guest329104, i installed the human theme
[03:56] <Adola> Anyone have Plymouth working with Karmic?
[03:57] <guest329104> kruykaze: A nifty little program called UNetbootin. It works fine if you select "Ubuntu 9.04 Live 64."
[03:57] <guest329104> kruykaze: So did I, but I'm still getting the little error message :P
[03:57] <kruykaze> guest329104, why 9.04/
[03:57] <kruykaze> ?
[03:58] <guest329104> kruykaze: Because 9.10 wasn't an option for the installer.
[03:58] <kruykaze> guest329104, so you put in karmic image but used the 9.04 "option"?
[03:58] <guest329104> kruykaze: Yes.
[03:59] <wastrel> apparently there's a patch for the broken url parsing in gnome-terminal
[03:59] <wastrel> upstream patch
[03:59] <kruykaze> guest329104, thx
[03:59] <kruykaze> guest329104, i should start using that
[03:59] <wastrel> imma have to build my own package or summmat
[04:00] <guest329104> kruykaze: Go to System -> Preferences -> Appearance and change the theme to New Wave...do you see "This theme will not look as intended because...etc."
[04:00] <kruykaze> guest329104, ok
[04:00] <guest329104> kruykaze: If you want to stop using blank discs all the time, yes :P
[04:01] <guest329104> I'm so happy that my X-Fi finally works (Creative sucks though lol).
[04:01] <kruykaze> guest329104, theme works fine
[04:01] <guest329104> kruykaze: You don't see a message though?
[04:01] <guest329104> In that window?
[04:01] <kruykaze> guest329104, nooope
[04:01] <guest329104> Dang.
[04:01] <guest329104> hmm
[04:01] <kruykaze> hey
[04:01] <DanaG> ugh, gnome-appearance-properties no longer gives tooltips for wallpapers.
[04:02] <kruykaze> what do you use for gmail notifications?
[04:02] <guest329104> kruykaze: Are you on 64 bit?
[04:02] <kruykaze> yes
[04:02] <Nattgew> so I just reinstalled from the Beta and was about to reboot when I had a kernel panic... I haven't had one of those in a while. I rebooted and it immediately says something about a kernel panic, vfs unable to mount root from unknown block
[04:02] <guest329104> Ubuntu 9.10 is one of the best operating systems of all time! OF ALL TIME!
[04:02] <guest329104> brb
[04:03] <kruykaze> lol ok
[04:03] <kruykaze> Nattgew, done updates?
[04:03] <kruykaze> brb
[04:03] <Nattgew> kruykaze, I hadn't done any updates yet
[04:03] <kruykaze> u should brb
[04:04] <Nattgew> it's kind of hard to do updates when it panics at 0.8s
[04:05] <wastrel> nobody cares about the gnome terminal url parsing bug because nobody uses terminal anymore in ubuntu
[04:06] <Nattgew> wastrel: i do... it's not the only bug nobody cares about, of course
[04:09] <kruykaze> Nattgew, lol
[04:10] <kruykaze> Nattgew, so it's not just an error message
[04:10] <Nattgew> well it comes up right after grub loads the kernel
[04:10] <kruykaze> and you only have 1 kernel to choose from?
[04:11] <Nattgew> well i have a second ubuntu install... it just times out "waiting for the root partition"
[04:11] <Nattgew> windows loaded fine...
[04:11] <kruykaze> but only 1 kernel for koala?
[04:12] <Nattgew> yeah, -11 that came with the beta
[04:12] <kruykaze> donno what to tell you
[04:12] <kruykaze> there has been a couple of kernels sinse beta
[04:12] <Nattgew> hmm, i did a fsck from the livecd, that seems to have fixed the boot error
[04:12] <kruykaze> but if you can't boot :/
[04:13] <Nattgew> i guess something with ext4 went wrong when the kernel paniced...
[04:13] <kruykaze> did you just do the switch?
[04:14] <vinoman> I installed beta with a ext3 partition.  seems to be working fine. has ext4 been faster?
[04:14] <Nattgew> to karmic you mean{
[04:14] <kruykaze> i had ext4 since 9.04
[04:14] <Nattgew> yeah me too
[04:15] <kruykaze> installation took 6mins and 25 secs
[04:15] <kruykaze> i was impressed
[04:15] <vinoman> you notice any difference?
[04:15] <vinoman> that much faster?
[04:15] <kruykaze> i don't remember but there are benchmarks
[04:16] <vinoman> ext4 seems as stable as ext3?
[04:16] <kruykaze> yes
[04:16] <kruykaze> no problems here
[04:17] <vinoman> good to know. I'll be reinstalling with final ver. 10/29. I'll set it to ext4
[04:17] <Nattgew> if i want to add a script to run at boot and shutdown, should i do it the old way or is there some special upstart way to do it?
[04:18] <kruykaze> Nattgew, i have no idea about what you mean
[04:20] <Nattgew> kruykaze: scripts are linked into /etc/rc1.d, etc. to run when they're supposed to... you run update-rc.d to link scripts there
[04:21] <guest329104> Am I just ignorant or will Empathy will not minimize a chat window into the main IM window...?
[04:21] <kruykaze> Nattgew, no experience with that
[04:21] <kruykaze> guest329104, u were gonna tell memwhat gmail notifier u use
[04:22] <BronzeAu> I need to reinstall Karmic. I was hoping to rescue some of the downloaded apps to my external HD. Can someone give me code to dump this from whatever directory it stores apps (Tux..., Compiz, Edu apps) into the ext drive?
[04:22] <guest329104> kruykaze: I actually haven't set one up yet :D
[04:22] <kruykaze> guest329104, first time with ubuntu?
[04:23] <guest329104> kruykaze: Oh no, I just installed Karmic though.
[04:23] <guest329104> kruykaze: Been onboard since 5.04 :)
[04:23] <kruykaze> guest329104, what did you use before koala?
[04:24] <commander__> does anyone have problem w/sound on here
[04:24] <kruykaze> commander__, what problem?
[04:24] <commander__> my youtube vids don't have sound
[04:24] <guest329104> kruykaze: jaunty some. I dual boot it so I'm not a super-active user :D
[04:24] <BronzeAu> Kruukaze: Same here. 5.04 for me as we. Handed out 300Live CD's at the local shopping centre.
[04:25] <commander__> when u upgrade to 9.10 beta there's no sound
[04:25] <guest329104> commander__: There is for me.
[04:25] <kruykaze> BronzeAu, nice!
[04:25] <BronzeAu> commander: Are you still trying to get that fixed commander?
[04:25] <commander__> guest how u did it
[04:25] <kruykaze> commander__, did you choose devices with padevchooser?
[04:26] <commander__> no i didn't and what is that?
[04:26] <kruykaze> install it and use it
[04:26] <commander__> do i term it or what?
[04:26] <commander__> thru terminal right
[04:26] <Nattgew> how should I get the wl driver working?
[04:26] <kruykaze> =pulse audio device chooser
[04:26] <kruykaze> Nattgew, what do you have?
[04:27] <commander__> kruy ok what next?
[04:27] <kruykaze> did you rin it/
[04:28] <kruykaze> ?
[04:28] <kruykaze> run*
[04:28] <Nattgew> kruykaze: i have a bcm4312... it's the reason i had to reinstall the beta, by the way... jockey shows the sta driver but when i tell it to activate, it does nothing
[04:28] <kruykaze> "tell" it to activate?
[04:29]  * DanaG misread "sta" as "sata"... and was about to ask what Broadcom had to do with SATA.
[04:29] <Nattgew> click on the button that says "activate"
[04:29] <BronzeAu> Any ideas room: Re "I need to reinstall Karmic. I was hoping to rescue some of the downloaded apps to my external HD. Can someone give me code to dump this from whatever directory it stores apps (Tux..., Compiz, Edu apps) into the ext drive? "
[04:30] <kruykaze> i am soooo confused where is that button? a physical button?
[04:31] <guest329104> To the devs who made 9.10: I don't know how you made it boot this freaking fast, but it's awesome :D
[04:31] <Nattgew> yes, there's a list of drivers, then it says whether it's activated or not (says it's not), and then a button that says "activate"
[04:31] <guest329104> ~14 second boot time.
[04:31] <kruykaze> guest329104, still waiting on the answer
[04:31] <guest329104> kruykaze: The answer to what?
[04:32] <mikedep333> hey, is the mime bug still present for other people? I did an update an hour ago
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, notifier before karmic
[04:32] <mikedep333> I went back to the old shared-mime-info
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: Never used a notifier with ubuntu.
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, loooool
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: :P
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, you are such a tease :D
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: Haha.
[04:33] <kruykaze> you manually go to check your emails?
[04:33]  * DanaG uses gnubiff.
[04:33] <DanaG> I have it set to quack at me when I have new messages.
[04:33] <DanaG> It can use either POP or IMAP.
[04:34] <DanaG> yeah, I do mean "quack".  Even though the icon is a penguin.
[04:34] <kruykaze> gnubiff?
[04:34] <kruykaze> does it have push?
[04:35] <guest329104> kruykaze: I'm not an email freak, so yes :)
[04:36] <guest329104> (Not saying that you are of course.)
[04:36] <kruykaze> lol
[04:36] <kruykaze> i am
[04:36] <kruykaze> that's why i was looking for push email
[04:36] <DanaG> no, gnubiff just polls.
[04:36] <kruykaze> don't wanna wait 3 mins between messages lol
[04:37] <kruykaze> well the main thing is that gm-notify was integrated with jaunty but now i don't find any options
[04:39] <MTecknology> apparenlty bootup takes a long time in 9.10 :(
[04:40] <guest329104> MTecknology: Hah, are you kidding me?
[04:40] <guest329104> MTecknology: It's like coming out of S3 sleep for me.
[04:40] <MTecknology> huh?
[04:40] <MTecknology> http://imagebin.ca/img/M9c3Scr.png
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: Its biggest feature is that it has an extremely fast boot time. You must have some sort of computer malfunction.
[04:41] <MTecknology> what do you consider fast?
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: Approximately 14 seconds here.
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: It's taking you 85 seconds? Dang.
[04:42] <guest329104> MTecknology: 14 seconds from when the BIOS hands over the reigns of course :)
[04:42] <MTecknology> I'm getting ~30; and I use openbox, gnome isn't even on here
[04:42] <guest329104> MTecknology: Weird.
[04:42] <MTecknology> it's reporting wrong because of bootchart rending the chart I think
[04:42] <MTecknology> not sure
[04:45] <MTecknology> guest329104: It's pretty bad.. I realize I have an encrypted partition; but at worst it should cut 5%; and it's a 7200rpm
[04:46] <MTecknology> guest329104: does apparmor load in the kernel?
[04:47] <guest329104> MTecknology: Not sure.
[04:52] <guest329104> Darn. :( My X-Fi input still won't work.
[04:53] <MTecknology> I wonder if tweaking grub will help some
[04:54] <MTecknology> scary territory
[05:00] <angelus> how smart would it be for a ubuntu newbie to install the Koala right now ???
[05:01] <MTecknology> angelus: don't
[05:02] <angelus> thanks ...
[05:04] <guest329104> Anyone here have an X-Fi?
[05:04] <guest329104> MTecknology: What audio do you have?
[05:06] <MTecknology> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[05:06] <MTecknology> guest329104: ^
[05:06] <MTecknology> reboot time; change grub and I hope I did it right
[05:07] <guest329104> MTecknology: K thanks.
[05:07] <glenn> just downloaded karmic iso and going to try and install... it is asking for a login on the install cd
[05:07] <glenn> what would it be?
[05:08] <stefan_> um maybe just like guest I think
[05:09] <MTecknology> this boot time is horrible :(
[05:12] <glenn> no dice on guest
[05:12] <glenn> tryed ubuntu
[05:13] <kruykaze> huh?
[05:13] <MTecknology> there's yet another kernel..
[05:13] <glenn> karmic install is asking for a username and passwordd kruykaze
[05:14] <glenn> tryed guest and ubuntu neither work
[05:14] <kruykaze> oh you're not the one that set it up?
[05:15] <glenn> umm it is a install cd.. nothing is setup
[05:15] <kruykaze> wow never seen such a thing'
[05:15] <MTecknology> then there is no user/pass; it just automatically logs in, there's a little timer that counts down from 10
[05:16] <glenn> let try and reboot
[05:18] <stefan_> hey does anyone have really laggy internet when trying to open webpages?
[05:18] <kruykaze> nope
[05:18] <kruykaze> but karmic server can get slow
[05:18] <kruykaze> with all the downloading
[05:18] <jbuncher> glenn, it should be "ubuntu"
[05:18] <jbuncher> with no password
[05:18] <stefan_> hm ok. it just seems that firefox likes to take years when trying to open any webpage at all.
[05:19] <kruykaze> jjust got koala?
[05:21] <stefan_> yep. and it takes forever to browse the web...
[05:21] <kruykaze> all updates done?
[05:21] <tzanger> does one find kubuntu 9.10 beta help here as well, or just ubuntu/
[05:22] <stefan_> yep, using sudo apt-get upgrade, yes
[05:22] <kruykaze> did you try kubuntu+1?
[05:22] <tzanger> didn't think there was one, as #kubuntu suggests #ubuntu+1
[05:22] <kruykaze> when did you get 910?
[05:22] <kruykaze> oh then here :)
[05:23] <tzanger> kruykaze: this morning
[05:23] <stefan_> just like a few days ago, sunday actually
[05:23] <tzanger> kubuntu+1 forwards here
[05:23] <tzanger> I'm just wondering if anyone else is missing alt+f2 to bring up the run command window, even though the shortcut is defined
[05:23] <kruykaze> stefan_, there have been a ton of updates
[05:23] <stefan_> ya I just updated about an hour ago
[05:23] <maco> tzanger: mine works
[05:23] <kruykaze>  alt+f2 works for me
[05:24] <tzanger> hmm, wonder what is causing it
[05:24] <stefan_> idk. but I heard disabling ipv6 for firefox works... how do you do that?
[05:25] <tzanger> none of the run command interface shortcuts are working
[05:25] <kruykaze> weird
[05:25] <tzanger> indeed
[05:26] <kruykaze> tzanger, you'll spend days getting all the updates from beta to now
[05:26] <stefan_> ya I know.... seeing if it works...
[05:26] <tzanger> kruykaze: ?
[05:26] <tzanger> I just dist-upgraded today
[05:26] <kruykaze> tzanger, what?
[05:26] <tzanger> apt-get update doesn't show any updates
[05:26] <kruykaze> did you ask it to check again?
[05:27] <kruykaze> it doesn't show all at once
[05:27] <tzanger> sure, apt-get update :-)
[05:27] <kruykaze> especially if there's a kernel update
[05:27] <tzanger> I'm running a custom kernel
[05:27] <kruykaze> oh ok
[05:27] <tzanger> (I'm a driver developer)
[05:27] <kruykaze> gotcha i had to do quite a few
[05:27] <stefan_> hmmm. disabling ipv6 didn't do a whole lot....
[05:30] <jdsbluedevl> hi, is anyone else having difficulty getting the VLC controller to display?
[05:30] <stefan_> hmmm so weird. hope they fix it when the release the final version.
[05:30] <stefan_> VLC?
[05:30] <jdsbluedevl> yes, VLC
[05:31] <jdsbluedevl> I wouldn't know what bug it is
[05:31] <jdsbluedevl> maybe it's the same one affecting gnome-volume-control?
[05:32] <idyle> Hey, whenever my computer returns from standby, my monitor doesn't turn back on (laptop) -- how can I go about debugging this?
[05:32] <idyle> ctrl+alt+1-7 don't do anything either
[05:33] <idyle> but ctrl+alt+del does reboot the machine
[05:35] <MTecknology> I wonder if it is crypt that's taking the system so dang long to do anything..... I suppose I 'could' reinstall without it
[05:36] <MTecknology> I don't want to though :( - I like feeling secure
[05:36] <idyle> don't we all :)
[05:37] <jdsbluedevl> so, VLC problem is affecting everyone else?
[05:46] <gsevil> is update-manager still available in 9.10
[05:48] <kklimonda> yes
[05:49] <gsevil> after upgrade, file associate lost, update manager show this error: waiting for other software managers to quit
[05:50] <jdsbluedevl> gsevil: when was the last time you updated?
[05:50] <gsevil> yesterday
[05:50] <gsevil> ah,
[05:50] <gsevil> it's run now,
[05:50] <gsevil> I have to go to System > update-manager
[05:50] <RPG_Master> Karmic is as slow as windows >:(
[05:51] <gsevil> sudo update-manager didn't work
[05:51] <jdsbluedevl> sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:51] <zen|tao> !enter > gsevil
[05:52] <gsevil> after I updated yesterday, all file association lost, how can I fix this?
[05:53] <kklimonda> update again
[05:53] <kklimonda> it was fixed
[06:01] <spencer_> having issue with doing dist-upgrade.. openoffice is somehow broken on my machine :(
[06:04] <hifi> yay, mesa 7.6.0 stable in karmic
[06:10] <ArkoldThos> i wanted to change my hw mac address, so i wanted to bring down eth0 but says that is not configured ignored that and changed the mac, then tried to bring eth0 up but nothing happened
[06:13] <gilos123> I'm having problems getting both my wireless card and my sprint evdo cdma modem to work.
[06:14] <mikedep333> gilos123, I can probably help you with the former
[06:14] <gilos123> i've got the built in agn intel card on my dell.
[06:14] <mikedep333> ok, mine works well
[06:14] <gilos123> did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
[06:15] <mikedep333> no
[06:15] <gilos123> I installed the studio ubuntu 9.10
[06:15] <mikedep333> what kind of wireless network are you trying to connect to?
[06:15] <gilos123> is there any difference in the core?
[06:15] <mikedep333> what kind of security does it have?
[06:15] <mikedep333> gilos123, no
[06:15] <gilos123> it's just a wide open
[06:15] <mikedep333> ubuntu studio uses gnome, right?
[06:15] <gilos123> yep
[06:15] <mikedep333> what happens when you try to connect?
[06:16] <gilos123> well, I don't have a network symbol at the top like I did in jaunty
[06:16] <mikedep333> gilos123, it should be there
[06:16] <gilos123> when I try to ifup it after configuring it.. it just doesn't seem to do anything.
[06:17] <mikedep333> it probably has a different icon
[06:17] <mikedep333> do you see it in restricted drivers manager?
[06:17] <gilos123> bluetooth and speaker and trash are only things.
[06:17] <mikedep333> gilos123, you are supposed to see the network manager whether you have wireless or not
[06:18] <mikedep333> did you try updating karmic to the latest packages?
[06:18] <gilos123> oh, and when I try to do network from the menu, and unlock it since my account is non-root, it lets me see wlan0 but it won't save changes.
[06:18] <gilos123> i've done a apt-get update and upgrade
[06:18] <gilos123> yesterday
[06:19] <mikedep333> hold on
[06:19] <mikedep333> go to preferences, startup applications
[06:19] <mikedep333> is network manager selected?
[06:20] <tehbaut> is it normal to get a cli instead of a gui after installing from a live environment?
[06:20] <tehbaut> (after restarting)
[06:20] <mikedep333> tehbaut, no
[06:21] <gilos123> nope, not there in startup.
[06:21] <tehbaut> hmmm
[06:21] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try updating your SYSTEM
[06:21] <mikedep333> *system
[06:21] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get update
[06:21] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:22] <mikedep333> gilos123, is network-manager-gnome installed?
[06:23] <tehbaut> on my grub list, it's showing up as 'Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-11-generic'
[06:23] <tehbaut> is that normal?
[06:23] <tehbaut> the other entries say 8.10 (for my 8.10 install)
[06:23] <tehbaut> "ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic"
[06:23] <gilos123> no it wasn't installed.  just added it.. and it wants a reboot.. I will try that.
[06:24] <mikedep333> gilos123, great
[06:24] <gilos123> be back in a couple of minutes
[06:24] <mikedep333> tehbaut, just update your packages
[06:24] <mikedep333> do you know how to do that?
[06:24] <tehbaut> you mean on the 8.10 install? nah I want to keep them separate
[06:25] <mikedep333> I mean on your karmic install
[06:25] <tehbaut> oh
[06:25] <tehbaut> I'm wondering why this would happen though
[06:25] <mikedep333> it's called beta for a reason
[06:25] <mikedep333> lots of daily bugs appear and then are fixed
[06:25] <mikedep333> by updating
[06:26] <mikedep333> updating to the latest daily packages
[06:26] <tehbaut> heh, well... I could submit a report I guess
[06:26] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you cannot submit a report unless you are using the latest packages
[06:26] <mikedep333> updating is essential
[06:26] <tehbaut> right
[06:26] <tehbaut> ok, so how do I update my packages
[06:26] <mikedep333> login
[06:26] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you login
[06:26] <mikedep333> then run the commands
[06:26] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get update
[06:27] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:27] <tehbaut> oh, both?
[06:27] <mikedep333> with a wired ethernet connection of course
[06:27] <mikedep333> yes
[06:27] <mikedep333> update looks for software, upgrade performs the upgrade/update
[06:29] <tehbaut> where is the cli output logged?
[06:29] <tehbaut> or is it?
[06:30] <koidzy> @tehbout standard output?
[06:30] <mikedep333> tehbaut, any important system information is sent to the usual logs
[06:31] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you do not need to log every single console output from your update and upgrade
[06:32] <tehbaut> right, but I like to review changes from time to time
[06:32] <mikedep333> tehbaut, this is INCREDIBLY routine
[06:33] <mikedep333> upgrading packages is something I do several times a day
[06:33] <tehbaut> duly noted
[06:35] <gilos123> mikedep333: nope, no luck, I'm doing another apt-get update and upgrade.. it did find 85 packages.. so will update and see what they find.
[06:36] <mikedep333> gilos123, you have network-manager-gnome installed, did you make sure it is in startup applications?
[06:36] <gilos123> well it's up top in the menu bar now.. didn't check startup packages.. will do that.
[06:36] <tgpraveen> !info eclipse
[06:37] <mikedep333> gilos123, you see network manager in the top menu bar? great, try to connect to the wireless network
[06:37] <mikedep333> using it
[06:38] <gilos123> mikedep333: says wireless not managed
[06:38] <tehbaut> mikedep333: do you ever run into issues after updating packages?
[06:38] <zenlunatic> nn
[06:38] <zenlunatic> sorry
[06:39] <mikedep333> tehbaut, this is beta. any new package can introduce a bug, but it is very likely that your bug will be fixed. Also, the overall stability of the system will be improved.
[06:40] <tehbaut> so you aren't running 9.04 at all then? I guess I thought you meant you updated regardless of stable or pre-release
[06:40] <mikedep333> gilos123, http://www.prash-babu.com/2009/05/how-to-fix-ubuntu-network-manager-error.html
[06:43] <mikedep333> tehbaut, if you are running a stable version like Jaunty, you always update. There is no harm in updating 99.9% of the time
[06:43] <tehbaut> ok
[06:43] <mikedep333> if you are running a beta version like Karmic, you update unless you know of a bug that is present in updated packages. The system will become more stable overall, and you need to do so to report bugs.
[06:43] <tehbaut> now I'm getting a message about grub, asking if I want to keep my locally modified version or installed the package maintainer's version
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, install the package maintainer's version
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, why are you running the beta might I ask? the usual reasons are that you want to report bugs (like I do) or you are an application developer
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, the stable release of Jaunty is intended for the average user, Karmic beta is not
[06:45] <tehbaut> understood
[06:46] <tehbaut> I'm a developer and general power user, so I want to make sure what I do works, and if not then to report issues... but this is my first time using a pre-release
[06:48] <mikedep333> tehbaut, ok, I see
[06:49] <tehbaut> ok, I'm back at the command line... reboot?
[06:49] <mikedep333> yes
[06:49] <mikedep333> (if it were graphical, it would tell you to reboot)
[06:49] <mikedep333> run: sudo shutdown -r now
[06:50] <tehbaut> did sudo reboot
[06:50] <mikedep333> ok, cool
[06:51] <tehbaut> ok, I'm back at the command line login
[06:51] <kklimonda> does anyone use mplayer with nvidia card?
[06:51] <mikedep333> tehbaut, do you know what graphics card you have?
[06:51] <kklimonda> I have a problem with default vo changed to vdpau
[06:51] <gilos123> mikedep333: Thanks for the help.. that fixed the problem.
[06:51] <mikedep333> gilos123, my pleasure
[06:52] <tehbaut> mikedep333: nvidia 8600 gx or something like that
[06:52] <mikedep333> an 8000 series?
[06:52] <tehbaut> yes
[06:52] <mikedep333> tehbaut, what version of ubuntu did you install? regular ubuntu-desktop?
[06:53] <tehbaut> now that you mention it, maybe I didn't... I hastily grabbed the top x64 torrent... is there a command to check which one it is?
[06:54] <mikedep333> tehbaut: we can switch to ubuntu-desktop in case you didn't install it with an easy command
[06:54] <mikedep333> run: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <tehbaut> well, like I said, the live environment was working fine with GUI et al
[06:55] <mikedep333> oh, ok
[06:55] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try running the command: sudo restart gdm
[06:56] <tehbaut> ok, yes it was desktop-
[06:57] <tehbaut> restart: Unknown instance
[06:57] <tehbaut> I did the install via System > Preferences > Install Ubuntu
[06:58] <tehbaut> I did use xfs on the install partition, does that make a difference?
[06:58] <sfhsdg> when will the i.MX51 ARM netbook be available?
[06:58] <voidmage> that's weird, nautilus is associating my avi files as plaintext
[06:58] <sfhsdg> anyone know?
[06:58] <voidmage> so it tries to open them in gedit
[06:58] <tehbaut> wait, maybe I used ext4
[06:58] <tehbaut> can't remember now, heh
[06:58] <voidmage> actually all my video files
[06:58] <sfhsdg> suppose to be available 3Q 2009, which is now
[06:58] <mikedep333> tehbaut, that shouldn't make a difference
[06:59] <tehbaut> ok
[06:59] <mikedep333> although ext4 or ext3 is preferred
[06:59] <mikedep333> I'm trying to figuring what they mean by unknown instance
[06:59] <mikedep333> run the command: pidof gdm
[06:59] <mikedep333> wait
[07:00] <tehbaut> nothing... I don't think gdm is running
[07:00] <voidmage> oh, #444962
[07:00] <tehbaut> running sudo ps -a shows only three processes running
[07:00] <mikedep333> tehbaut: run ps -A | grep gdm
[07:01] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you need -A
[07:01] <tehbaut> ah
[07:01] <mikedep333> you should see gdm-binary
[07:01] <mikedep333> and possibly others
[07:01] <tehbaut> yep, nothing
[07:01] <mikedep333> you know what
[07:01] <mikedep333> try: start gdm
[07:02] <mikedep333> or rather
[07:02] <mikedep333> sudo start gdm
[07:02] <tehbaut> ok
[07:02] <tehbaut> tons of screen flickering now
[07:03] <tehbaut> still at the cli though
[07:03] <mikedep333> try startx
[07:03] <mikedep333> run: startx
[07:03] <sfhsdg> why isn't this available yet http://www.design-reuse.com/news/19802/i-mx515-processor-arm-cortex.html ?
[07:04] <tehbaut> fatal server error, no screens found
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I heard that with the poor economy they're waiting
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I heard they are also waiting for the flash player with hardware video acceleration
[07:04] <sfhsdg> till christmas or after?
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I'm not sure
[07:04] <mikedep333> hopefully christmas
[07:04] <sfhsdg> Cause im split on whether to buy a atom netbook now or wait
[07:05] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[07:05] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I know, it's a hard decision
[07:05] <sfhsdg> so unknown if they are in production yet.....
[07:06] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, yeah
[07:06] <tehbaut> mikedep333: done
[07:06] <mikedep333> you can do a google news search
[07:06] <mikedep333> tehbaut, now try startx
[07:06] <tehbaut> same error, no screens found
[07:07] <mikedep333> tehbaut, we'll try to install the official nvidia driver from the command line
[07:07] <tehbaut> ok
[07:07] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[07:07] <mikedep333> then run: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:07] <mikedep333> then run: startx
[07:08] <tehbaut> I think 185 was the one recommended when I was prompted by the live environment gui
[07:09] <tehbaut> what are the differences though?
[07:10] <mikedep333> hmm, you're right. Install nvidia-glx-185.
[07:12] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, those netbooks with the arm processor are called smartbooks now
[07:12] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, http://www.youtube.com/user/ARMflix
[07:12] <tehbaut> I'm surprised the install doesn't use a generic vga/vesa driver by default (as I assume the live environment did)
[07:13] <mikedep333> tehbaut, I am betting that it is attempting to use the open source nvidia driver "nv", wich is rather incomplete
[07:13] <tehbaut> ok, rerunning startx
[07:13] <mikedep333> and for some reason it doesn't like your hardware
[07:13] <tehbaut> heh, well I'm in
[07:13] <mikedep333> ok, there you go
[07:14] <mikedep333> you should be fine on next reboot
[07:14] <mikedep333> gdm should work
[07:14] <tehbaut> ok
[07:14] <mikedep333> you should look into filing a bug report with package nv though
[07:14] <tehbaut> ok
[07:14] <tehbaut> one more thing... I'm trying to get my monitor rotated right
[07:14] <mikedep333> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting
[07:15] <mikedep333> tehbaut, install nvidia-settings
[07:15] <tehbaut> k
[07:15] <mikedep333> that should handle rotation
[07:15] <tehbaut> will that replace System > Prefs > Display?
[07:16] <tehbaut> right now, trying to access Display prefs gives me a message that the driver doesn't support the necessary extensions to use it
[07:16] <mikedep333> tehbaut, yeah
[07:16] <mikedep333> tehbaut, it should prompt you to use nvidia-settings if you have it installed
[07:16] <tehbaut> use the graphic driver vendor's tool instead?
[07:16] <mikedep333> yeah, that is nvidia-settings
[07:16] <tehbaut> ok, there it is
[07:17] <sfhsdg> i dont want cell phone service and contracts however
[07:17] <mikedep333> if you know how to file a bug report, while your computer is on now, attach all the /var/log/Xorg* files
[07:17] <mikedep333> where * is whatever
[07:18] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, neither do i
[07:18] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, the freescale mx arm chips do not have mobile broadband built in. The qualcomm ones do
[07:20] <sfhsdg> ahh
[07:21] <domo> hey - if i use the beta of ubuntu.. the day its released, can i upgrade without having to re-install?
[07:21] <domo> upgrade meaning to the "stable" version
[07:23] <sfhsdg> yes
[07:23] <sfhsdg> you just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:23] <tehbaut> it seems nvidia left out the rotate option in the nvidia settings
[07:24] <domo> so it wont be considered you're using beta thanks for playing, please install the stable of 9.10? haha
[07:24] <sfhsdg> tehbaut, thats nvidia's problem
[07:24] <tehbaut> well I heard I could rotate via: xrandr --options --rotate right
[07:25] <tehbaut> but I don't have the syntax correct or something
[07:25] <tehbaut> also tried --rotate=right and --rotate="right"
[07:25] <kklimonda> tehbaut: I'm not sure if nvidia driver supports it
[07:29] <gilos123> did they get all the audio issues fixed in 9.10?  I remember when I first started using jaunty I had a nightmare of a time trying to get the intel audio to work.
[07:37] <NoelJB> gilos123, some people have reported issues, but it works perfectly well for me (unlike jaunty).
[07:38] <intok>  Is there a way to increase the storage space used by the 9.10 beta live cd? I've got over 100Gb of space free on the HDD, but playing around in the live Cd it tells me I've only got 23Mb left and all I've done was install a few basic apps
[07:39] <gilos123> i'm not sure if it's the new harddrive that I threw in my laptop (7200rpm) or the 9.10 ubuntu, but it seems really snappy.
[07:39] <sfhsdg> http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1326986&highlight=
[07:39] <sfhsdg> "Because of an order from the United States International Trade Commission, BGA-packaged product lines and part numbers indicated here currently are not available from Freescale for import or sale in the United States prior to September 2010: i.MX515, MC13982"
[07:41] <intok> gilos123 depends, what hdd did you have before? A faster hdd will always be a speed difference as it's the slowest link in the chain unless loading from a CD or DVD
[07:42] <NoelJB> gilos123, I do ~100GB worth of backups every day.  I can boot to Jaunty or Karmic and run the same backup.  Same hardware.  Karmic is running almost 50% faster than Jaunty for the same thing.  Roughly 30GB/s for Jaunty and 45GB-50GB/s for Karmic.  Repeatedly.  *same system*
[07:43] <NoelJB> Sorry, make the MB/s :-)
[07:43] <NoelJB> I *wish* GB/s.  LOL
[07:43] <sfhsdg> i would guess due to 2.6.31 kernel
[07:44] <intok> NoelJB GB/s? got some FusionIO cards I see lol
[07:44] <NoelJB> sfhsdg, and some changes there, because karmic wasn't always that much faster.  But I've definitely noticed it, and ran multiple tests today to verify the observation.
[07:46] <NoelJB> FWIW, that figure is the separate read/write figure for independent SATA drives, disk-to-disk copy.  So double the figure to get the total.
[07:47] <NoelJB> intok, you've heard of token ring?  I have tachyon ring.  data gets there before it exists.
[07:48] <sfhsdg> http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[07:49] <sfhsdg> part. 1.3. Improve desktop interactivity under memory pressure
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> sfhsdg: use a lighter DE to reduce normal memory pressure
[07:57] <tehbaut> how do I setup numlock to always start? seems that's the norm for past versions
[07:57] <sfhsdg> *particularly 1.3 of the url
[07:57] <sfhsdg> http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[07:57] <sfhsdg> about 2.6.31
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: set it as On in BIOS is normal
[07:59] <kblin> morning folks
[08:00] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: I have no option in my bios
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: suprisingly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: has a guide
[08:01] <tehbaut> heh, ok thanks
[08:02] <wastrel> is there a guide for fixing url parsig in gnome terminal
[08:03] <gilos123> sorry, got a phone call.. I had a 320gb 5400rpm drive installed in my laptop and upgraded to a 500gb 7200rpm.  Both of them had ext4 installed.
[08:04] <wastrel> wait ext4
[08:04] <wastrel> is that in koala
[08:04] <wastrel> mine is ext3
[08:04] <tehbaut> I'm getting an error on boot up saying something about 'could not update ICE authority file
[08:05] <KruyKaze> i got a quick question i have a script to burn a cd how do add an extra command  "eject -T" after it's done?
[08:05] <gilos123> it does ext4 by default unless you upgraded.
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: are you the owner of your ~/.ICEauthority
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> has anyone figured out why empathy doesn't have sound?
[08:07] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: I don't even see an .ICEauthority file
[08:07] <tehbaut> oh, wait... it's hidden
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: ls -la ~/.ICEauthority
[08:07] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: root is owner
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: of your users file?
[08:08] <tehbaut> of ~/.ICEauthority
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: and what is the output of: whoami
[08:08] <tehbaut> scott
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: thats why then you have bad ownership
[08:09] <tehbaut> do I need to chown scott.scott?
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: run: sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.ICEauthority
[08:09] <tehbaut> and why would it have changed all of a sudden?
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: you can use $USER to mean the username which is spat out when you run whoami, makes scripting easier ;)
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: do you run gui apps with sudo? sudo nautilus   etc?
[08:10] <tehbaut> nope
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[08:10] <wastrel> gksudo
[08:11] <tehbaut> but I did have an issue on first startup, where gdm didn't start until I installed nvidia drivers
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> that sort of thing can cause issues, otherwise I'm not sure. I'd check yo are the owner of everything in your home directory
[08:11] <tehbaut> then it started as root
[08:13] <tehbaut> I need to get this display into portrait mode :/
[08:13] <KruyKaze> can anyone tell me what mistake i made here http://pastebin.org/39544 ?
[08:16] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: you didnt specify anything to burn
[08:17] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: http://linux.die.net/man/1/growisofs
[08:18] <KruyKaze> $1 for the image i'm burning
[08:18] <tehbaut> is there anything that can be done to rotate my monitor? I've tried all the methods I've found via google so far, but without any luck
[08:18] <KruyKaze> the first line works fine if there's now eject line
[08:18] <tehbaut> and rotation /is/ supported on my gpu card
[08:18] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, the first line was tested alone and works fine
[08:18] <tehbaut> I was running it in portrait mode in vista
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: i'd remove the = sign then
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: screen rotation is set in nvidia-settings
[08:19] <tehbaut> and other ubuntu users claim to have gotten it working (though in older versions) with the same card
[08:19] <KruyKaze> oh i'll try that
[08:19] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: yeah I'm not finding any options for it in the nvidia settings dialog box
[08:19] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, do i put space?
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: worth a try, look at the exmples in the link i gave
[08:20] <KruyKaze> ok thanks :)
[08:21] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: someone else got it working by adding 'Option "RandRRotate" "true" ' to their xorg.conf
[08:22] <tehbaut> but that seems to have added the rotate option to the Display prefs, which no longer open for me (because of the installed nvidia driver)
[08:23] <tehbaut> there is nothing in the manpage for nvidia-settings mentioning rotation either :/
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148177
[08:26] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, still just ejects :(
[08:26] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: so you want to basically burn an ISO from CLI?
[08:27] <KruyKaze> yes and when done eject
[08:27] <KruyKaze> the burning it self works flawlessly
[08:27] <KruyKaze> when i add eject -T it just ejects
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: try:     cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 $1
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: http://sharkysoft.com/tutorials/linuxtips/cdcommands/
[08:28] <KruyKaze> can't it has to break layer
[08:28] <KruyKaze> it's a dual layer disk
[08:29]  * tehbaut buys ActionParsnip a beer
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: :D
[08:30] <tehbaut> Option "Rotate" "CW" did the trick (even w/ the nvidia driver, since nv drivers weren't loading gdm for me)
[08:30] <tehbaut> woohoo :)
[08:32] <tehbaut> it feels odd using the mouse non-vertically now, heh
[08:39] <Guest34155> Hello, I am currently having a problem with flash browsers playing the sound to videos on youtube. I have flash installed and am running kubuntu 9.10 using firefox 3.5 to view the video
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: is your Ubuntu 64bit or 32it?
[08:45] <Guest34155> 32
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: have you tried uninstalling all flash plugins, check for open alternatives
[08:46] <Guest34155> eck ok
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: dpkg -l | grep gnash     and   dpkg -l | grep swf     and dpkg -l | grep flashplugin
[08:46] <Guest34155> hoping there was some boxs i didnt install
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: uninstall all the plugins, then just install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:46] <Guest34155> or didnt check
[08:46] <Guest34155> or somehting
[08:47] <Guest34155> cheers ActionParsnip
[08:48] <tehbaut> I'm trying to get synergy working... but the client machine isn't picking up the ubuntu machine (nor is it listing it in network machines, on win7)
[08:48] <tehbaut> is that an issue?
[08:49] <tehbaut> shouldn't ubuntu show up on the network?
[08:52] <kblin> what is "network machines" doing in win7?
[08:52] <tgpraveen> tehbaut: umm am a noob but is samba not required for this?
[08:53] <tehbaut> nope
[08:53] <kblin> tgpraveen: if "network machines" is what network neighbourhood used to be. if it's something else, who knows?
[08:53] <kblin> perhaps it's using mDNS or something equally silly
[08:53] <albech> wow.. this new version simply looks amazing. you have outdone yourself again everyone
[08:53] <tehbaut> oh, you mean networking
[08:54]  * kblin is still dist-upgrading
[08:54] <kblin> hopefully kde4 finally unbroke
[08:56] <thumper> I have a question about usb support on my new laptop
[08:56] <thumper> mass storage devices aren't being loaded properly
[08:57] <thumper> nor is the webcam
[08:57] <thumper> I'm not sure what to do to file a good bug :)
[08:57] <kblin> tehbaut: well, can you at least ping the synergy server? I seem to remember having a fun time with firewalls on vista. wouldn't be surprised if that also applies for win7
[08:58] <tehbaut> kblin: the client machine is win7 and yes it worked fine connecting to vista machine (though this is the first time I'm trying with ubu)
[08:58] <tehbaut> that QuickSynergy app is quite wonky
[08:58]  * kblin shrugs
[08:59] <kblin> it's been years since I last used synergy, I forgot how it worked :)
[08:59] <bullgard4> Synaptic shows no additional information for the packages linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28.11-generic and 2.6.28.15-generic. What is the reason?
[09:03] <tehbaut> kblin: I copied my vista synergy config file.. seems to at least work locally, so yeah.. it's not picking up the win machine... or vice versa
[09:03] <bullgard4> thumper: "aren't being loaded properly" is no exact description. You better do not use Karmic at this moment if you have so little knowledge about Ubuntu. Install Ubuntu 9.04. It is more stable.
[09:04] <thumper> bullgard4: if I had a choice I probably would
[09:04] <bullgard4> thumper: You certainly have.
[09:04] <thumper> bullgard4: no, I don't, I have to use karmic, so says the boss
[09:04] <thumper> :)
[09:04] <bullgard4> Ah!
[09:05] <thumper> I'd like to submit a useful bug report
[09:05] <thumper> looking at /var/log/messages I can see that the usb drive is identified
[09:05] <thumper> but it seems to get stuck somewhere
[09:05] <Berzerker> what's this program I see everyone on ubuntu running where it shows stats on the right and left side of the screen, kind of like DesktopX?
[09:05] <bullgard4> thumper: Then become proactive and learn about "mass storage" an "web cam" in Ubuntu.
[09:06] <bullgard4> s/an/and/
[09:08] <kblin> so, any good reason to use ext4 or grub2? :)
[09:08] <bullgard4> Berzerker: Try to find out with the help of http://images.google.com/ and catchwords "ubuntu" and "DesktopX".
[09:08] <stimpy1> thumper: dont know if dmesg shows the same messages as in /var/log/messages. but give it a try, maybe you will get mor informations why it isnt working?
[09:08] <RAOF> kblin: ext4: faster.  grub2: actually being developed.
[09:09] <kblin> RAOF: but worth a reinstall?
[09:09] <thumper> stimpy1: ok, I'll take a look
[09:09] <stimpy1> thumber: also have a look at man page for lsusb command :)
[09:10] <RAOF> kblin: No, probably not.  But if you want to help test you can just install grub2 without reinstalling.
[09:11] <bullgard4> kblin: No, not at this moment. Unless you are adventurous and you may fall on your face.
[09:11] <kblin> RAOF: I'll first check if 9.10 is working for me or if I need to revert to 8.04 anyway
[09:11] <tehbaut> kblin: I just used the IP instead of the ubuntu machine name and it seems to work fine now :)
[09:11] <tehbaut> (from the win machine)
[09:11] <kblin> tehbaut: smells like mDNS or DNS problems to me
[09:11] <tehbaut> it's possible, this is a beta :P
[09:12] <tehbaut> how would I find out though?
[09:12] <kblin> tehbaut: look at a network trace.. do you have DNS set up? disable mDNS for starts
[09:12] <kblin> it causes all sorts of problems on 8.04 and 9.04
[09:12] <bullgard4> Synaptic shows no additional information for the packages linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28.11-generic and 2.6.28.15-generic. What is the reason?
[09:13] <kblin> probably ever since ubuntu started using mdns-minmal [abort-if-not-found] in /etc/nsswitch
[09:13] <tehbaut> kblin: I haven't messed with dns stuff before
[09:13] <RAOF> bullgard4: What do you mean by "Additional information"?
[09:13] <kaddi_> what is the latest kernel? 2.6.31-11?
[09:14] <bullgard4> RAOF: The columns "Installed Version", "Newest Version" and "Description" are empty. This is not normal.
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image
[09:15] <Joeboy> kaddi_: I have -12
[09:15] <tehbaut> what happened to software ratings in the new Ubu Software Center?
[09:16] <RAOF> bullgard4: That'd probably be because the 2.6.28 packages are "virtual", as in being referred to by something but not actually existing in Karmic.
[09:16] <kaddi_> hmm, I might have to erboot then :p. Thanks :)
[09:17] <bullgard4> RAOF: There must be more than that:There are no other modules linux-restricted-modules-* listet at all.
[09:18] <bullgard4> tehbaut: What is 'Ubu'?
[09:19] <tehbaut> how can I enable my mouse when using alt+tab?
[09:19] <tehbaut> er, I'll ask in #ubuntu
[09:20] <kblin> hm, ok, I seem to have lost IPv6 networking
[09:20]  * kblin fires up wireshark
[09:22] <mikedep333> bullgard4, if I'm not mistaken, they did new work on the restricted modules, transitioning them to DKMS source packages
[09:25] <kblin> ah, there we go
[09:25] <maccam94> anyone seeing significant OOo breakage?
[09:26] <maccam94> it crashes for me whenever i open .pptx files, or try to open Tools -> Options...
[09:27] <maurya> Hi all. I upgraded 9.04 to 9.10. However, now my CPU usage is always around 60% and the cursor becomes the 'loading' spinning type when it is on the Desktop. Has anyone experienced this?
[09:27] <maccam94> maurya: nope
[09:27] <maccam94> maurya: try opening gnome-system-monitor, or run top inside a terminal
[09:27] <maccam94> figure out what's eating your CPU
[09:28] <maccam94> anyone having openoffice problems?
[09:28] <mikedep333> maccam94, I can open tools > options in OOo impress fine
[09:28] <maurya> maccam94: I did, and the dbus-daemon was at the top of cpu usage, taking around only 6%, I do not know where the other 54% cpu usage is coming from, neither top, nor gnome-sys-monitor shows it
[09:29] <maccam94> maurya: you sure you sorted the applications by cpu usage?
[09:29] <maurya> maccam94: yes I did
[09:29] <maurya> am sure
[09:29] <maccam94> you also might need to go to view-> all processes
[09:30] <maurya> maccam94: view all processes isn't by default? I didn't do that
[09:30] <maurya> maccam94: but then top should have shown it.
[09:31] <maccam94> if top wasn't running as root, maybe it wouldn't
[09:31] <maccam94> mikedep333: hmph... i get
[09:31] <maccam94> X-Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[09:31] <maccam94> 	Major opcode: 53 (X_CreatePixmap)
[09:31] <maccam94> 	Resource ID:  0x1e0120f
[09:31] <maccam94> 	Serial No:    41504 (41504)
[09:32] <maccam94> so maybe it's an X/mesa problem, not OOo...
[09:32] <zen|tao> !enter | maccam94
[09:34] <maccam94> zen|tao: the output had newlines, that wasn't my punctuation
[09:35] <zen|tao> !pastebin | maccam94
[09:36] <maccam94> zen|tao: my guideline is that if the channel's not busy and the paste is 4 lines or less, it's not a problem. what do you think is reasonable?
[09:36] <mikedep333> yeah, ubottu's comment was even longer for me
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> mikedep333: ironic isnt it :)
[09:38] <maccam94> ActionParsnip: sometimes i find channel etiquette bot usage cause more flooding than the original paste -_-
[09:39] <maccam94> *causes
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: i dont paste more than 2, but yes you are right, its better to use > instead of | when its busy
[09:40] <maccam94> ActionParsnip: good call. i wonder what happens if you address a command to someone with a | in their nick...
[09:41] <zorael> Does "[  108.436914] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: force halt; handhake f8042024 00004000 00000000 -> -110" seem malign? After getting that in dmesg, I get spam about a usb port not being able to be disabled/enabled/reset, and then the kernel no longer reacts when connecting new usb devices (they don't even power up)
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: the space differentiates the pipe from the pipe in the nick
[09:41] <maccam94> zorael: maybe there's a short in one of your ports?
[09:42] <maccam94> ActionParsnip: ah, duh, irc nicks can't have spaces
[09:42]  * maccam94 should go to bed
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> maccam94: bingo
[09:42] <zorael> maccam94: could be, it's a laptop though, and there's a forum thread where another guy with the same camera I have seems to suffer the same issue. (It happens when activating the camera or when booting with it enabled)
[09:43] <maccam94> zorael: ouch. sounds like the driver isn't working right then. if he fixed it, follow what he did. otherwise, i'd just disable the camera :-\
[09:43] <maccam94> zorael: also, file a bug report :-)
[09:44] <zorael> maccam94: any recommendation as to under what package?
[09:47] <maccam94> zorael: the linux kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[09:47] <balor> Anyone running Eclipse on Karmic able to create a new project?
[09:51] <balor> I'm running into bug #443004, which contains a workaround.  Just FYI.
[09:57] <bullgard4> mikedep333: So where have gone the packages linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28.11-generic and 2.6.28.15-generic?
[09:57] <vega-> eclipse support on ubuntu has never been good, at least before karmic nothing has happened in a looong time
[09:57] <bullgard4> Or rather their contents.
[09:57] <vega-> i've abandoned ubuntu-packaged eclipse packages years ago
[10:06] <lodder_> Hi, is there a easy way to go from lilo to grub with ubuntu server? I want to install raid1 on top of that lvm and the root dir on the lvm
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> lodder_: sure, just install lilo as you would grub: http://www.bauer-power.net/2007/08/changing-from-grub-to-lilo-ubuntu-704.html
[10:12] <maccam94> ActionParsnip: didn't he say he wanted to go lilo -> grub, not grub -> lilo?
[10:13] <maccam94> also, i'd be a bit careful since ubuntu 9.10 uses grub2, and i haven't been able to find good documentation on raid + lvm for grub.cfg
[10:14] <lodder_> ActionParsnip: it's lilo to grub
[10:14] <maccam94> i gotta go to bed
[10:14] <maccam94> 'nite
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> lodder_: sorry
[10:15] <lodder_> ActionParsnip: np
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> !grub | lodder_
[10:15] <lodder_> ok
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[10:16] <darkham> heu people, kubuntu karmic daily live of today, have 4.3.2 inside?
[10:16] <lodder_> ActionParsnip: I don't if my machine would work with grub2
[10:16] <lodder_> and its a server
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> i think grub will work fine
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> could create a VM to test
[10:18] <godstar> What command do I use to reinstall Gnome Desktop from CD?
[10:19] <alankila> hum, eclipse 3.5.1 is in karmic
[10:19] <alankila> that gtk+ -related bug pointed it out somewhere. Awesome. This took a long, long time before it happened and now 3.5.1 which is like 1-2 weeks old
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> godstar: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the top line (which should relate to the install CD)
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> godstar: you can then run: sudo apt-get update and the CD will be read
[10:20] <godstar> Doing so now.
[10:20] <valgaav> anyone knows if non working translation are a known kubuntu karmic problem  ? I upgraded from jaunty and I'm left with most apps in english only even though locale packa for my language are installed and set in kde system settings
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> godstar: you can then run: sudo apt-get --reinstall instal ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <yellowrooster> how can i get google gears working in Shiretoko (firefox)?
[10:21] <godstar> ActionParsnip: kk
[10:21]  * godstar goes afk
[10:23] <ziroday> yellowrooster: err there is no shiretoko in karmic
[10:23] <yellowrooster> ziroday: what is there?
[10:23] <yellowrooster> oh, it must have been a rollover
[10:23] <ziroday> yellowrooster: firefox.
[10:23] <yellowrooster> i upgraded from 9.04
[10:24] <yellowrooster> ziroday: ok. i see firefox in my menu now.
[10:24] <yellowrooster> 8-)
[10:24] <yellowrooster> is there any benefits/advantanges to using shiretoko over firefox?
[10:25] <yellowrooster> (i noticed a difference in version number)
[10:26] <yellowrooster> how do i remove shiretoko while keeping firefox?
[10:27] <ziroday> yellowrooster: you seem to be somewhat confused :). Shiretoko is firefox-3.5. firefox-3.5 is default in karmic now (and therefore called firefox) and so there should be no shiretoko (unless you got it from a PPA or something similar somewhere)
[10:27] <ziroday> so basically shiretoko *is* firefox
[10:29] <lodder_> is lilo possible with lvm on raid1 ?
[10:43] <nomnex> to Karumic users: has Gnote replaced Tomboy on Karmic? and if it did not, is it on schedule?
[10:45] <dihae> hello, I'm using a kubuntu karmic system, updating regularly, and as of today, when updating kwin and the radeon drivers, X always crashes when enabling desktop effects.. No big deal, It works well without these effects, but I thought you guys should know about it. My system is an Acer aspire 5672 wlmi, with an Ati x1600 mobility radeon card
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> !info tomboy
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> nomnex: its in the main repo
[10:46] <mzz> dihae: recommend you find or file a bug if nobody responds here soonish
[10:47] <mzz> nomnex: karmic came with tomboy but not gedit out of the box here, and I'd be astonished if that changed before final
[10:47] <mzz> err, s/gedit/gnotes/ obviously
[10:47] <nomnex> thanks to all
[10:48] <dihae> mzz: could do, but I do not exactly know which info is needed to file it ;)
[10:48] <dihae> there's not too many info in .xsession-errors
[10:48] <mzz> dihae: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is more likely to be interesting
[10:51] <dihae> I am not exactly sure what the cause of the problem could be, I think it has more to do with kwin/X than it has to do with the driver, as both radeon and radeonhd driver act the same
[10:51] <dihae> there is no info about a problem whatsoever in the xorg log
[10:51] <Elone> !VMware
[10:53] <tehbaut> When I try to connect to my public files on a win7 machine, I'm getting the error "Failed to retrieve share list from server"
[10:53] <tehbaut> I'm just using the default interface: Places > Network > Machine_Name
[10:54] <tehbaut> is this a bug in 9.10, or does it just not work out of the box this way naturally?
[10:55] <godstar> ActionParsnip: anyway to reinstall from cd without an Internet connection?
[10:55] <godstar> ActionParsnip: Reinstall Gnome Destkop*
[10:57] <valgaav> dihae : both radeon and radeonhd use the same 3d stack mesa/dri ... mesa was updated today in karmic so the problem is there IMHO
[10:57] <cwillu_at_work> tehbaut, well, try a 9.04 livecd;  I'd expect you just have a permissions or firewall issue on windows 7
[10:58] <valgaav> dihae:  btw I'm with ati card and facing the same issue
[10:58] <tehbaut> cwillu_at_work: well I set win7 to share and no password requirements, I'd think it'd be fine
[10:58] <cwillu_at_work> tehbaut, get a 9.04 cd and prove that it works there
[10:58] <cwillu_at_work> there's all sorts of small ways you can make it not work :)
[10:59] <tehbaut> heh, ok
[10:59] <cwillu_at_work> (sharing can be on but with enumeration disabled, or with anonymous connections disabled, or you could have an existing authenticated connection preventing a second anonymous connection, or...
[11:00] <godstar> Can the gnome desktop be installed without an Internet connection using the CD?
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> yes
[11:01] <godstar> Ian_Corne: how plz?
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> install ubuntu
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> fixed
[11:01] <godstar> lol
[11:01] <godstar> Rather not do that.
[11:01] <joaopinto> godstar, the desktop cd installs gnome
[11:01] <joaopinto> the regular desktop cd
[11:02] <godstar> joaopinto: What is the command? I would rather not do a full reinstall of Ubuntu.
[11:02] <Ian_Corne> godstar: oh you could probably use the cd as repo
[11:02] <godstar> Ian_Corne: I've been trying, but the apt-get keeps giving me errors.
[11:02] <Ian_Corne> and apt-get install update-desktop
[11:02] <Ian_Corne> and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:02] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[11:03] <chu_> Umm, how do you take advantage of a separate /home partition when installing?
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> take advantage?
[11:03] <joaopinto> godstar, why do you need to reinstall, if you have installed from the desktop cd, you are running gnome
[11:04] <chu_> Well, last night I installed Karmic, but how do I now make it recognise my old /home?
[11:04] <godstar> joaopinto: It's complicated. :D
[11:04] <joaopinto> chu_, you just need to setup custom partition and set a specific part for /home
[11:04] <dihae> godstar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu. take a look at the cd/dvd section
[11:04] <godstar> dihae: ty.
[11:04]  * godstar wonders off...
[11:04] <joaopinto> chu_, you should have done that during the partion setup, now you will need to change your fstab configuration, and also need to be carefull about the your home dir ownership
[11:05] <joaopinto> chu_, first manually mount your old /home
[11:05] <chu_> When I tried to access my /home from Karmic it was like "Password is required!", but yeah that's all good.
[11:05] <joaopinto> then chown -R user:user old_home/your_user
[11:05] <chu_> Dude, awesome.
[11:05] <chu_> :D
[11:05] <mzz> that step may not be necessary if the uids already match
[11:06] <mzz> (which they did here for jaunty -> karmic, iirc)
[11:06] <joaopinto> mzz, it will not hurt if they do match :)
[11:06] <chu_> Well, it's the same name "chu" in both accounts?
[11:06] <chu_> I don't know if that means anything, :p
[11:06] <joaopinto> ChanServ, is not about the name, is about the numeric id
[11:06] <mzz> well, it shouldn't hurt, unless you intentionally have files owned by someone else in there, it's just a bit slow
[11:06] <joaopinto> ops, chu_
[11:06] <mzz> if the name already shows up correctly in karmic you don't need the chown (but yeah, it won't hurt)
[11:06] <joaopinto> anyway, just check do an ls on your old home and look at the owner name
[11:08] <godstar> I updated my sources.list and have only my CD rom selected, here is what I get when I run: sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop:   Reinstallation of ubuntu-desktop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[11:08] <Ian_Corne> did you update?
[11:08] <Ian_Corne> you gotta update first
[11:08] <godstar> Yup
[11:08] <godstar> I did
[11:09] <chu_> Because I have my Jaunty install still here (I was worried Karmic might not work :p), is it ok to link Karmic to the old /home partition too?
[11:09] <joaopinto> afaik you can't use the desktop cd as an install source
[11:09] <mzz> chu_: I don't know how much stuff would get confused if you did that
[11:09] <joaopinto> chu_, not link, you mean mount it , yes
[11:10] <godstar> joaopinto: oi
[11:10] <mzz> chu_: specifically: pointing karmic at it should be fine, using it from jaunty afterwards *might* not be (I'm not sure)
[11:10] <joaopinto> mzz, it is usual to have a /home shared between differente installs, the only problem could be with major app upgrades changing your home dir data
[11:10] <mzz> yep
[11:10] <chu_> Is there anyway of just moving to Karmic?
[11:10] <mzz> and I don't know if there were any of those (I'm a little worried about firefox, for example)
[11:11] <joaopinto> firefox 3.5 will be a problem :P
[11:11] <chu_> I really like it, I'm pretty sure I can remove Jaunty now.
[11:11] <godstar> Can I boot into the Live CD and reinstall Gnome Desktop to my Ubuntu install on my HDD?
[11:11] <mzz> chu_: that definitely works.
[11:11] <mzz> chu_: (that is: just tell karmic to use that /home partition and keep using karmic)
[11:11] <damagu> Hey all, how do you change gdm themes in karmic?
[11:11] <joaopinto> godstar, yes, you can reinstall, just as you installed it, don't forget to backup your data first
[11:11] <joaopinto> damagu, the new gdm does not support theming
[11:12] <mzz> well, I guess it does, because there's definitely *something* there.
[11:12] <mzz> it also changed a bit after recent updates.
[11:12] <damagu> joaopinto: ? so does that mean I can never change it?
[11:12] <joaopinto> damagu, yes, afaik
[11:12] <godstar> joaopinto: How will the live CD know I am reinstalling Gnome Desktop to the Ubuntu install I have on my HDD? Is there a specific command or use the same one?
[11:12] <damagu> joaopinto: how unlike free software.
[11:13] <mzz> damagu: I don't know if any alternate themes actually exist, and I don't think there's a ui way to switch, but I think there is *something* there
[11:13]  * mzz has a quick look in gconf
[11:13] <mzz> damagu: ugh, what kind of silly argument is that
[11:13] <joaopinto> godstar, you are not going to reinstall gnome you are going to reinstall the full system, you just need to keep your partion config and format the existing dirs
[11:13] <damagu> mzz: argument?
[11:14] <joaopinto> damagu, if you dont like it, how are you using it and boring those who like it ?
[11:14] <joaopinto> damagu, feel free to move to a more appropriate channel
[11:14] <damagu> joaopinto: I'm not sure what you are on about?
[11:14] <mzz> damagu: not having ui to switch themes is "unlike free software"?
[11:15] <joaopinto> damagu, hum, maybe I misuntersood your sentence :P
[11:15] <joaopinto> " joaopinto: how unlike free software."
[11:15] <joaopinto> :P
[11:15] <mzz> damagu: I don't see anything immediately obvious in gconf and I don't care enough to dig.
[11:15] <godstar1> Where was I sorry.
[11:15] <damagu> mzz: isn't it? I didn't mean to be inflammatory.
[11:15] <godstar1> Got disconnected.
[11:15] <godstar1> joaopinto: Did you answer my last question?
[11:15] <joaopinto> mzz, I believe there is no theme support at all, is not just a matter of config
[11:16] <mzz> joaopinto: well, obviously there's a background and a gtk theme and a few icons on the bar at the bottom, those have to be gotten from *somewhere*, so there's probably a way to change them
[11:16] <damagu> sorry guys. I just thought it was weird. Usually with FOSS you can tweak everything. Sorry to bother you.
[11:16] <mzz> also, I saw a few hints when skimming update notes.
[11:16] <joaopinto> mzz, that is not a definition for theme support, of course everything is changeable from an open source perspective
[11:16] <mzz> but I really don't care enough to dig.
[11:17] <damagu> mzz: thanks anyway. Sorry again
[11:17] <gnomefreak> damagu: its broke most likely
[11:17] <mzz> joaopinto: specifically the fact /usr/share/themes/HumanLogin exists
[11:17] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, what is broken ?
[11:17] <damagu> joaopinto: thanks for letting me know. I would have gone nuts having not known.
[11:17] <joaopinto> mzz, and that is GDM theme ?
[11:17] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: you not being able to change themes/tweek
[11:18] <mzz> joaopinto: doesn't actually look like it. Give me a minute
[11:18] <joaopinto> we are talking about gdm, not gnome
[11:18] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, we are talking about GDM, not gnome
[11:18] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: that is not broke that is normal. IIRC there is a way but it has changed
[11:18] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: i didnt say gnome
[11:18] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, you are the one saying it is brokne, not us
[11:19] <falstaff|h> Hello, how can i pass additional parameters to the x server using the new gdm of karmic?
[11:19] <joaopinto> hum, ok, I had the idea that themes are not supported at all, unlike the missing gdm configurator
[11:19] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: i said most likely without knowing the full problem. yes you can change gdm themes but as i recall it has moved (where you change it from)
[11:19] <damagu> gnomefreak: where did it move to?
[11:19] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, are you sure that the new gdm supports themes ?
[11:20] <mzz> joaopinto: ah, /usr/share/icons/HumanLoginIcons also exists, so there's probably a way to pick a different icon theme and gtk theme at least.
[11:20] <gnomefreak> damagu: off hand i dont remember i havent been here in a while before this week
[11:20] <joaopinto> mzz, grr, again, we are talking about GDM
[11:20] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: fairly sure i remember a mailing list post about it, i also saw a bug at one time
[11:21] <damagu> joaopinto: sorry!
[11:21] <mzz> joaopinto: what about it?
[11:21] <mzz> ugh, nvm
[11:21] <damagu> I'll leave you to it. Thanks for all your help. You guys are great. Seriously
[11:21] <dihae> joaopinto: is GDM such a pain? ^^
[11:21] <legend2440> in synaptic there is a package called  gdm-themes. what is that for if gdm themes can't be changed?
[11:21] <mzz> dihae: not so much "a pain" as "a rewrite"
[11:21] <mzz> dihae: "growing pains" may be appropriate
[11:22] <gnomefreak> once again they can be changed just cant recall how/where to do it
[11:22] <mzz> legend2440: wouldn't be surprised if those are cruft that doesn't work with the new gdm. In fact I'm pretty sure that's the case.
[11:22] <dihae> dunno actually, I've seen some screenshots about it, but I've never actually used it (kdm here)
[11:22] <legend2440> mzz: oh ok
[11:22] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, I am sure there is no configurator tool, so it can't be done from a GUI perspective, I am not sure about the theming support from an under the wood perspective
[11:23] <mzz> yeah, same here.
[11:23] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: its going to be slow but let me look to see something. (sorry i have 3 scripts running with big downloads)
[11:23] <mzz> I don't think you can change the layout of the login dialog and the like, since afaict that's just a regular app now
[11:24] <mzz> I don't know just how much you can tweak using regular gtk theming
[11:24] <damagu> joaopinto: that's cool. I'm happy to work it out from under the hood. I found it weird that I've previously been able to do it from the GUI so now that I know I will do it from the CLI.
[11:24] <mzz> damagu: well, the gdm themes you're used to simply won't work, the new greeter's too different
[11:25] <damagu> mzz: okay. I mainly find it inconsistent with the dust theme.
[11:26] <joaopinto> answer from the gurus
 joaopinto, it's a gnome-session so it supports theme the same way than GNOME, gtk theme, icon theme
[11:26] <mzz> damagu: looks like the gtk theme used is set below /var/lib/gdm/.gconf, but I have no idea how you're supposed to sanely change it
[11:26] <mzz> joaopinto: exactly
[11:26] <joaopinto> I don't spend time playing with themes, I am unable to ellaborate :P
[11:27] <joaopinto> Amaranth, ping
[11:27] <mzz> hmm, I wonder if running gconf-editor as gdm would make sense
[11:27] <gnomefreak> belive me now that there is a way?
[11:27] <mzz> this is turning into a silly debate on what "theming" means if we're not careful
[11:30] <falstaff|h> anyone an idea how i can pass aditional arguments to X using new gdm? I cant find the relevant config files
[11:30] <gnomefreak> and yes it is still broken
[11:30] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, partially, you can theme it from a GTK/GNOME perspective, not from a GDM perspective :)
[11:31] <joaopinto> mzz, running gnome-appearance-properties with the gdm user should work
[11:31] <mzz> that's a better idea than gconf-editor
[11:32] <joaopinto> Amaranth was working on some tool which allowed to do some config changes to the new gdm
[11:32]  * gnomefreak goes back to my brokenness :)
[11:34] <damagu> BTW karmic is beautiful. If you guys are responsible for any of that... my congratulations!
[11:35] <NinjaPlimsolls> morning all
[11:35] <|eagles0513875|> afternoon
[11:36] <damagu> I have now abandoned mac os completely because by comparison it's just plain ugly.
[11:54] <Tarthen> Update time... lets see what breaks today, eh ;)
[11:59] <|eagles0513875|> lol Tarthen
[11:59] <Tarthen> hmm
[11:59] <Tarthen> I'm getting xserver-xorg-video-ati,  xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[11:59] <Tarthen> even though I have a Nvidia chip
[11:59] <Tarthen> and don't let ATI products near anything
[12:00] <godstar> Is there a Gnome Desktop package that I can download for KK64?
[12:00] <|eagles0513875|> heheh Tarthen i think that has something to do with dependencies
[12:00] <|eagles0513875|> godstar: whats kk64
[12:00] <Tarthen> Need to get 51.6MB of archives.
[12:00] <Tarthen> After this operation, 1,479kB disk space will be freed.
[12:00] <godstar> Hey Tarthen
[12:00] <Tarthen> LOL
[12:01] <Tarthen> I'm taking back space by downloading useless drivers :D
[12:01] <Tarthen> godstar: Evenin
[12:01] <godstar> |eagles0513875|: Karmic Koala 64 bit
[12:01] <|eagles0513875|> godstar: you want like a default ubuntu desktop with all the default ubuntu programs
[12:01] <|eagles0513875|> im on kk64bit
[12:01] <|eagles0513875|> thats all i ever run anymore is 64bit
[12:01] <Tarthen> godstar: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <|eagles0513875|> even my version osx is also fully 64bit now
[12:01] <Tarthen> :3
[12:02] <|eagles0513875|> godstar: what Tarthen said lol
[12:02] <Tarthen> It depends on the standard apps
[12:02] <Tarthen> GNOME, evince, Totem, etc etc
[12:02] <|eagles0513875|> heheh godstar im seeing this convo 2 times lol
[12:02] <|eagles0513875|> i dont use gnome too much
[12:02] <Tarthen> I <3 GNOME
[12:02] <|eagles0513875|> hehe viva remote login
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> gnome ewww lol
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> I <3 KDE
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> lol
[12:03] <Tarthen> Xfce looks bad and KDE is a pile of fail
[12:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> KDE is disgusting
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> its come along way since 4.0
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> u guys should give it a shot again
[12:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> lets make every single icon on the desktop some kind of strange widget
[12:03] <NinjaPlimsolls> fantastic!
[12:03] <Tarthen> I would get rid of all my QT libs if OO.org didn't need em
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> chunk oo
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> its slows things down
[12:03] <godstar> |eagles0513875|: yes. Here is my problem. I do not have Internet connection on my kk64 computer. I need to reinstall Ubuntu desktop. Is there a way to do it from CD? If so what is the command. Thus far I have not been able to do it from CD minus an Internet connection. Other question is, is the Entire Gnome Ubuntu Desktop available for download from the Archives?
[12:03] <|eagles0513875|> i prefer koffice instead
[12:04] <|eagles0513875|> !cd godstar
[12:04] <|eagles0513875|> whoops
[12:04] <|eagles0513875|> dunno godstar
[12:04] <Tarthen> godstar: Set up your KK64 CD as repo
[12:04] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, what benefits would I gain from KDE4 as opposed to GNOME?
[12:04] <Tarthen> godstar: Then install it like that
[12:04] <Tarthen> NinjaPlimsolls: You would use the RAM you paid for
[12:04] <godstar> Tarthen: I have tried and tried. No dice.
[12:05] <Tarthen> godstar: Huh? It should work
[12:05] <godstar> Tarthen: nope
[12:05] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: i just find the layout of where the apps are confusing compared to kde
[12:05] <Tarthen> 2 sec
[12:05] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, top left hand side, as opposed to bottom left hand side? :S
[12:06] <godstar> k
[12:06] <Tarthen> godstar: You have to put it in your sources.list
[12:06] <godstar> Tarthen: it is
[12:06] <Tarthen> godstar: You at a console or desktop on the machine?
[12:06] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, to me, a desktop needs ICONS not WIDGETS. files and folders on a KDE desktop are weird
[12:07] <Tarthen> I don't even use desktop icons'
[12:07] <Tarthen> transparant Compiz cube ftw
[12:07] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: everyone to their own
[12:07] <|eagles0513875|> but widgets is another name for icons
[12:07] <godstar> Tarthen: I can use either.
[12:07] <Tarthen> I can read the document I'm writing on the other side of my virtual desktop
[12:07] <Tarthen> godstar: Okay... if you boot into X, and then put the disk in it should prompt you
[12:07] <mzz> I actually tend to turn off volume icons showing up on the nautilus desktop
[12:07] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, ok so why on earth would I want to rotate the (widget, icon, delete as appropriate) for a PDF file? LOL
[12:08] <Tarthen> godstar: "Do you want to do blah blah apt"
[12:08] <wekt> What Address book software can support sharing an address book between multiple users on the same computer?  (aside from kaddressbook)
[12:08] <godstar> Tarthen: are you saying boot into recovery console?
[12:08] <Tarthen> godstar: No, into regular X/GNOME/GUI
[12:09] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: i dunno why that i admit is stupid but for other widgets its use ful
[12:09] <|eagles0513875|> but then again you could lock them and you wont get any of that
[12:09] <godstar> Okay. I'm there
[12:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, yeah good point
[12:09] <Tarthen> godstar: You put the CD in and it prompted you?
[12:09] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: gnome is nice but seems like there are alot more bugs in it then kde
[12:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, admittedly the artwork of KDE4 is nicer than GNOME
[12:10] <|eagles0513875|> i could be wrong by saying that
[12:10] <godstar> Tarthen: No prompt
[12:10] <Tarthen> NinjaPlimsolls: Tangooooo
[12:10] <Tarthen> NinjaPlimsolls: ftw
[12:10] <wekt> NinjaPlimsolls: unfortunately, KDE4 has been highly unreliable.
[12:10] <Tarthen> godstar: 2 seconds
[12:10] <wekt> which is why i am trying to switch away, if i can find the right replacements.
[12:11] <NinjaPlimsolls> wekt, i just wish a proper team of designers would spruce up Ubuntu :(
[12:11] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: unreliable in what sense
[12:11] <godstar> Tarthen: I am running inside XP VBox guest, and kk64 as native.
[12:11] <Tarthen> godstar: Now go Synaptic > Settings > Repos and tick on the CD
[12:11] <|eagles0513875|> im running kk64bit as duel boot with mac osx kk on boot camp partition
[12:12] <NinjaPlimsolls> I've always used GNOME, I prefer the layout, toolset and the fact everything doesnt start with a k.... which is like the i apple products :P
[12:12] <Tarthen> godstar: Nevermind...
[12:12] <godstar> Tarthen: it does not see the cd
[12:12] <Tarthen> godstar: Go to a console, and sudo apt-cdrom add
[12:13] <wekt> eagles0513875: in the sense of things that used to work no longer working mainly.  In the sense of crashing.  IMAP stopped working in kmail recently.  akonadai eats up tons of resources and seems to have gotten duplicates in it's system.
[12:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> koffice, kopete, kontact, kyeballs, kausage, keggs, krita, kalloon
[12:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> keyboard... no wait
[12:13] <godstar> Tarthen: done
[12:13] <Tarthen> godstar: After that, go into Synaptic, then Origin, then Ubuntu 9.10_karmic Koala
[12:14] <Tarthen> godstar: Tick on Ubuntu-desktop and hit go
[12:14] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: what version of koffice are you using i know last i check there was beta 1 of version 2.1 of koffice
[12:14] <Tarthen> koffice
[12:14] <Tarthen> way to make people take it seriously
[12:14] <|eagles0513875|> Tarthen: ????
[12:14] <Tarthen> sounds like you're hacking up a lung
[12:15] <wekt> i don't have koffice installed.  only the minimum of kde to access my data: kaddressbook, kmail, korganizer
[12:15] <|eagles0513875|> Tarthen: koffice = saves documents as openoffice formats
[12:15] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: could be you are missing some packages
[12:15]  * mzz finds a pref in gconf to turn off the logout/restart/shutdown confirmation dialog, yay
[12:15] <wekt> eagles0513875: yes, could be a dep deficiency.
[12:15] <godstar> Tarthen: Ubuntu-desktop is grayed out for complete reinstallation
[12:16] <Tarthen> |eagles0513875|: But why? OO.org is powerful and has Sun and now Oracle behind it
[12:16] <Tarthen> godstar: Hmmm
[12:16] <|eagles0513875|> Tarthen: i find that it bogs the loading of the desktop down
[12:16] <godstar> Tarthen: During the upgrade of KK64 I deleted old files :(
[12:16] <godstar> That's the prob.
[12:16] <godstar> Won't do that again!
[12:16] <Tarthen> |eagles0513875|: Turn off the back upstarter
[12:17] <wekt> eagles0513875: it's just been a chain of problems ever since KDE4.  KDE3 was pretty solid.  KDE4 is still not stable/reliable, in my experience.
[12:17] <Tarthen> |eagles0513875|: Tweak the Memory settings to 256MB and it starts up in less than six seconds
[12:17] <|eagles0513875|> Tarthen: still i find it slow
[12:17] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: you must say though that kde has come along way since 4.0
[12:17] <Tarthen> |eagles0513875|: It starts up in less than ten seconds on a netbook. not all that slow
[12:17] <Tarthen> GNOME has been good for ages
[12:18] <godstar> Tarthen: where can the ram be tweaked for boot?
[12:18] <Tarthen> nothing seems to have broken
[12:18] <wekt> eagles0513875: i'd rather be running KDE3
[12:18] <Tarthen> godstar: In OO.org?
[12:18] <|eagles0513875|> but what i really like to do is strip kubuntu down to command line and build it back up using kde-base package then install the stuff i only want
[12:18] <dihae> In fact, I've been using KDE4 since it was crap to work with :) 4.0 was crap indeed, but starting with 4.1 I really REALLY like it :)
[12:18] <|eagles0513875|> dihae: same here and it has come along way
[12:18] <godstar> Tarthen: looks like I need an Internet connection for my fix?
[12:18] <wekt> "Works" is better than "looks nice + has fancy gadgets"
[12:18] <Tarthen> godstar: Mhm
[12:19] <godstar> gah!
[12:19] <wekt> "looks nice but fragile"
[12:19] <godstar> Tarthen: I was afraid of that.
[12:19] <dihae> I've never been able to settle with gnome
[12:19] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: i havent had many issues with it in all honesty
[12:19] <godstar> Tarthen: Thanks for your help mate.
[12:19] <wekt> However, Evolution is not robust either.  So much for gnome on that count.  eagles0513875 did you migrate from KDE3?
[12:20] <|eagles0513875|> wekt: i have issues when upgrading normally been using clean install as everything doesnt get upgraded
[12:20] <|eagles0513875|> for instance form jaunty to karmic grub doesnt get updated to grub 2
[12:21] <mzz> so does someone know how to get that mail indicator thing to check for new mail without leaving all of evolution running?
[12:21] <wekt> mzz pidgin or empathy
[12:22] <mzz> wekt: empathy can check for mail? how?
[12:22] <godstar> I am not liking Empathy.
[12:22] <wekt> i don't know but i was in #telepathy earlier today & it was implied that empathy can.
[12:22] <mzz> I thought those were im clients
[12:23] <wekt> empathy --> telepathy.  mzz they are, but have some mail notification.  otherwise, search for packages with biff in name or desc
[12:23] <mzz> hey, libtinymail-tp
[12:24] <mzz> aww, nothing uses it
[12:24] <wekt> HowTo get MailDir support in Claws?
[12:25] <mzz> I'm not finding a mail account option in empathy yet
[12:25] <natewiebe13> xsplash and gdm automatically try to figure out the screen resolution.. is there a way to specify which resolution you want?
[12:25] <mzz> natewiebe13: I'd expect setting it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to still work
[12:26] <phako> is there a way to get kdevelop3 on karmic?
[12:26] <phako> an apt-get one, not a "cmake; make install" one
[12:27] <pmatulis> phako: no
[12:27] <mzz> well, there are ppas with the weirdest stuff in it
[12:27] <mzz> who knows, someone might've packaged kdevelop3
[12:28] <phako> ah nm
[12:28] <phako> just found a plugin for qmake support in kdevelop4
[12:29] <dihae> phako: where did you find it?
[12:29] <phako> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/devtools/kdevelop4-extra-plugins/
[12:29] <phako> don't know if it works
[12:30] <dihae> dunno, I think I'm going to try build em all :)
[12:30] <dihae> especially automake and qmake
[12:31] <dihae> kdevelop is great, except when not making a pure kde app :p
[12:31] <dooglus> is there any way to get ndiswrapper to work in AMD64 ubuntu?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> !info ndiswrapper-common
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall it being 64bit only.. but i havent messed with it in ages.
[12:33] <dihae> valgaav: have you tried the fglrx driver yet?
[12:36] <|eagles0513875|> Dr_Willis: ndiswrapper in ubuntu is split into 3 packages
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> and your point is? :)
[12:37] <|eagles0513875|> last i used it to get a wifi driver working i needed all 3 parts of it
[12:37] <Ian_Corne> why does the update want to remove grub-pc?
[12:38] <|eagles0513875|> O_O
[12:39] <NinjaPlimsolls> god damn i hate windows
[12:39] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: i hear u
[12:39] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, unfortunately Im on windows right now because I'm doing some print design work
[12:39] <|eagles0513875|> i only use it for gaming
[12:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> and photoshop just decided to crash for no conceivable reason other than its tripe
[12:40] <|eagles0513875|> you on vista or xp NinjaPlimsolls
[12:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, Win 7
[12:41] <Ian_Corne> any idea bout the grub-pc thing?
[12:42] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: expect crashes as you are probably on the beta still
[12:42] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, actually other than this crash, its quite stable
[12:42] <|eagles0513875|> nice
[12:42] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, it just always seems to crash in a hideously appropriate moment, like during a file save
[12:43] <|eagles0513875|> well 22nd its out and im buying a copy i need to get my desktop off of vista im flipping  fedup of it
[12:43] <|eagles0513875|> ouchie :(
[12:43] <|eagles0513875|> might have to setup a duel boot once i get all my stuff onto an external hdd
[12:43] <NinjaPlimsolls> if i could do without TF2, L4D etc, i'd just have Linux... full stop
[12:43] <|eagles0513875|> and duel boot win and lin
[12:43] <|eagles0513875|> i hear u  im a big osx or linux fan
[12:44] <NinjaPlimsolls> i like OSX, just not apple hardware
[12:44] <|eagles0513875|> hehe well i have kk64bit on boot camp partition
[12:44] <dihae> I do not see a single reason why I should use windows
[12:45] <|eagles0513875|> i only use it for gaming
[12:45] <|eagles0513875|> other then that i am all lin or osx
[12:46] <valgaav> dihae: fglrx does not support my chip (rs690 IGP) so I cannot try it / use it anymore
[12:46] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: how much uptime you get on 7 on vista with sp2 i only get 18 hrs before i start having random issues
[12:47] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, we're quite power concious, so my machine is on in the morning and off before bed
[12:47] <|eagles0513875|> i hear u
[12:48] <|eagles0513875|> karmic i must say i love it :)
[12:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> for some reason, I cant sleep this machine because the fans go apeshit 100% speed
[12:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> and it gets NOISIER not QUIETER in sleep mode
[12:48] <dihae> valgaav: you know, I used opensuse 11.2 a week ago, and apart from the hardware acceleration, It did manage to setup a proper dualhead setup using the radeonhd driver, without the need to manually edit xorg.conf
[12:48] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: stock fan
[12:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, yup stock fan, Gigabyte MA770 DS3
[12:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, Athlon 5600+ X2
[12:49] <dihae> (except from the panel though, which was chown only on the largest screen)
[12:50] <dihae> I haven't been able to do the same thing in kubuntu for a year now
[12:50] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: most likey a faulty bearing
[12:50] <dihae> cloning works fine, but dual head setups are clearly not possible in kubuntu without digging through xorg
[12:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, no dude, the fans actually speed up in sleep mode
[12:51] <phako> dihae, the qmake plugin doesn't work too well :-\
[12:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, you know when a machine does a power cycle when you first turn it on? the fans blast out then slow down... it goes into that mode during slee
[12:51] <NinjaPlimsolls> sleep*
[12:51] <dihae> 'not too well' as in 'does not work at all' ? :p
[12:51] <phako> yes *g*
[12:51] <dihae> hmm, too bad
[12:51] <dihae> however, qt creator is nice
[12:52] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: ya but thats strange though yyou would think it would be quieter
[12:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, yeah I think its something to do with power settings in the BIOS
[12:53] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: was about to say check the ios
[12:53] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, may do a BIOS update, im on stock bios
[12:53] <|eagles0513875|> that could help as well
[12:54] <|eagles0513875|> anyone on kk64bit run todays updates. did they break anything
[12:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, ill try todays updates in a sec
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> I just update/upgraded 2 64bit machines. havent rebooted yet.
[12:56] <|eagles0513875|> NinjaPlimsolls: u on kk64bit
[12:57] <NinjaPlimsolls> |eagles0513875|, indeedy
[12:57] <|eagles0513875|> let me know how the reboot goes
[12:57] <ziroday> |eagles0513875|: you'd have better luck checking the ISO tester or launchpad for new bugs, then asking an IRC room
[12:58] <edgy> Hi, how can I use rsync to update my iso? I tried rsync -zhhP http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/karmic-dvd-i386.iso .
[12:58] <edgy> ssh: Could not resolve hostname http: Name or service not known
[12:58] <dihae> |eagles0513875|: 32bit here, but the update broke compositing (radeon driver, kde)
[12:58] <|eagles0513875|> lol ziroday
[12:58] <|eagles0513875|> dihae: im all nvidia
[12:59] <|eagles0513875|> and or vm's but vms are besides the point
[12:59] <dihae> |eagles0513875|: apart from the compositing thing, no problems here
[12:59] <ziroday> edgy: you'd want to use the zsync link instead of doing that. Lemme pull up a help page
[12:59] <dihae> but, as said, 32bit
[12:59] <ziroday> edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> edgy: rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[12:59] <|eagles0513875|> compositing seems to be a big issue for people
[12:59] <|eagles0513875|> i havent had issues
[13:00] <edgy> ziroday: I already tried zsync but I think it doesn't support large files in 32-bit systems
[13:00] <Pici> edgy: Please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-October/000625.html
[13:00] <edgy> ActionParsnip: isn't this exactly my command?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> edgy: looks like it
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> edgy: it will sync the server's daily Karmic desktop image (for i386) to your local system with an older desktop image already stored on your hard drive
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> edgy: it is isn't
[13:01] <jpds> Pici: That's releases, not cdimage.
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> he added rsync://
[13:01] <jpds> edgy: Use: rsync
[13:01] <jpds> edgy: rsync:// *
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> instad of http//
[13:01] <|eagles0513875|> !info rsync | edgy
[13:01] <Pici> jpds: is it unchanged for cdimage?
[13:01] <jpds> Pici: Yes.
[13:01] <chu_> Hey guys, I'm on Karmic, about to set my fstab to point to my old /home, but I'm a bit confused, and you guys always know what to do, so... There's a funky number following the uuid for most partitions (all except /proc), how do I find this number, or is uuid=/dev/sda6 enough? (/dev/sda6 being my /home)
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> sda6 is NOT a uuid. :)
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> Ian_Corne: I'm just geting the commands frolm the official docs
[13:03] <jpds> Pici: Although there is an rsync.cdimage.ubuntu.com, interesting.
[13:03] <Ian_Corne> yes, i didn't say you were wrong :p
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> uuid=Funky#  the funky # is your filesystems UUID :)
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> cool
[13:03] <chu_> cheers Dr_Willis
[13:04] <phako> dihae, I got the information that the plugin is unmaintained
[13:05] <dihae> phako: only the qmake plugin, or others as well?
[13:05] <phako> don't know about the others, just asked about the qmake
[13:05] <chu_> Dr_Willis, is there anything I can do at this point to help later with permissions?
[13:05] <phako> there's #kdevelop on freenode :)
[13:05] <chu_> I heard they may be a problem afterwards.
[13:07] <edgy> ActionParsnip, Pici, Ian_Corne, jpds: thanks all rsync is working now, for zsync I see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsync/+bug/412413
[13:07] <natewiebe13> anyone have an idea of how to change the resolution for xsplash/gdm?
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: if you have resolutions in your xorg.conf, the leftmost one will be used as the resolution
[13:09] <natewiebe13> i havent edited xorg.conf since feisty
[13:09] <natewiebe13> is there a graphical tool to do that now?
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13what video card do you have?
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: lspci | grep VGA     will tell you
[13:10] <natewiebe13> on that computer.. it is an nvidia geforce 8800gt
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: perfect, run: gksudo nvidia-settings
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: you can then setup the screen and then click "Write to X config file"
[13:11] <natewiebe13> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[13:11] <chu_> I just copied the line from my Jaunty fstab, let's hope this works.
[13:11] <chu_> Hopefully I will be back shortly.
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: ten your xorg.conf isnt so healthy
[13:12] <edgy> dihae: yes today I found kde is very slow so I swiched to gnome. is this a known bug now with regards to fglrx drivers?
[13:12] <natewiebe13> ActionParship: fresh karmic install
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: can you provide the final line in the output of: sudo apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:12] <dihae> edgy: I don't know, I never use the fglrx drivers
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: it will be a URL
[13:12] <edgy> dihae: so what's the problem you are facing?
[13:13] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: my xorg.conf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/288571/
[13:13] <dihae> well, using the radeon (or radeonhd) driver, X just crashes when I enable compositing
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: you have no monitor section
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: and your screen section isnt incorporating the video card at all
[13:15] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: i thought they ditched most of it for karmic
[13:15] <natewiebe13> i havent touched or looked at it until just now.. but thats the whole xorg.conf
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: most but it can still be used, nvidia-settings doesnt like the look of it so you can never configure your settings with the tool
[13:16] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: what should i do?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: try: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_old; sudo nvidia-xconfig    then restart X
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: if its bad we can rename back
[13:16] <natewiebe13> k
[13:23] <natewiebe13> ActionParsnip: worked.
[13:23] <natewiebe13> thanks much
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: awesome
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> you can now setup your card properly
[13:24] <natewiebe13> yup
[13:24] <natewiebe13> i already did that
[13:24] <natewiebe13> have a good day
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> natewiebe13: if you run it with gksudo and write to xorg.conf it will use that resolution
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> cool
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> gotta love nvidia :D
[13:25] <jaysonsantos> Hey guys, I'm in jaunty and trying to upgrade to karmic with do-release-upgrade -d and it returns to me 'No new release found'
[13:25] <cwillu_at_work> jaysonsantos, it's a feature
[13:25] <cwillu_at_work> protecting you from yourself :)
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> jaysonsantos: sudo apt-get install update-manager; sudo update-manager -d     if you really want it
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> jaysonsantos: it is still beta so may break your system
[13:26] <cwillu_at_work> ActionParsnip, on the other hand, is a bug that we hope to fix
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> cwillu_at_work: indeedy
[13:27]  * cwillu_at_work hopes that little jab wasn't misunderstood :p
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> cwillu_at_work: sounds like I am a bug :D
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> jaysonsantos, if your machine breaks, ubuntu-bug ActionParsnip will allow you to file a bug, automatically including the appropriate irc logs
[13:27] <jaysonsantos> ActionParsnip I did sudo update-manager -d and I can't upgrade too
[13:28] <joaopinto> do-release-upgrade -d shoukd work, what version are you using right now ?
[13:28] <joaopinto> oh, jaunty
[13:28] <joaopinto> odd
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> jaysonsantos: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal
[13:29] <kblin> hi folks
[13:29] <kliengeist> hi, im trying to install alternate beta 9.10 from an partitioned usb storage device. i can boot the device and start the installer, but i can't access the usb storage device. theres just my main harddrive under /dev/sda . any suggestions how i can gain access to usb?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> jaysonsantos: then run: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:30] <jaysonsantos> ActionParsnip It is already normal
[13:30] <jaysonsantos> ActionParsnip I'm behind a proxy, however in the last version I did upgrade normally
[13:30] <joaopinto> jaysonsantos, there is a known issue with update manager behing a proxy
[13:31] <joaopinto> behind
[13:31] <joaopinto> I don't have the bug nr :\
[13:31] <jaysonsantos> joaopinto ActionParsnip can I use tsocks ?
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> jaysonsantos: ive never used a proxy so am unsure
[13:32] <joaopinto> jaysonsantos, should work around the bug yes
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: is editing the sources file a bad call?
[13:32] <joaopinto> assuming it's a SOCKS proxy
[13:32] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, change it how ?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: to point to karmic rather than jaunty, ive seen folks do it but i dont know if its safe so i dont advise it
[13:34] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, that is not the problem, and it's not safe
[13:34] <jaysonsantos> ActionParsnip joaopinto the strange is: With update-manager I can install all updates behind a proxy, can't I debug it ?
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: ok cool, thanks for the info
[13:34] <joaopinto> there is a bug with update-manager fetching the release info, at least I have seen someone reporting on my loco ML
[13:35] <joaopinto> let me check the archive
[13:35] <kblin> looks like karmic fails to realize my bluetooth device is a bluetooth device
[13:35] <vaibhav> my update manager is not working, saying 407 proxy authentication , everything else works fine, how do I set proxy for update manager
[13:36] <jaysonsantos> joaopinto ActionParsnip Found it. With wireshark I saw neither programs use authentication
[13:37] <joaopinto> jaysonsantos, found it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/396187
[13:37] <joaopinto> there is a patch on the bug report
[13:38] <FlipStonE> hello, i have a problem with my audio in kubuntu karmic koala... for example, limewire plays music, vlc and mplayer don't, even no system sounds... anyone has a tip or solution?
[13:38] <joaopinto> jaysonsantos, give a try to the patch and add the results to the bug report please
[13:38] <vaibhav> I already have karmic , but update manager doesnot work
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: is there any error in the output of: sudo apt-get update
[13:39] <jaysonsantos> joaopinto I applied that patch to test it
[13:39] <vaibhav> ActionParsnip: no it works fine , only gpgkey error
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: maybe that is holding it back
[13:40] <gnomefreak> vaibhav: use a different mirror
[13:40] <vaibhav> ok
[13:40] <gnomefreak> that should fix it
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: i'd suggest you get the key imported to smoot the update
[13:40] <vaibhav> i can install individual packages
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: if you give the output I can get you the command
[13:42] <vaibhav> W:Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/karmic/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  407  Proxy Authentication Required
[13:42] <vaibhav> and few more lines
[13:42] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[13:42] <vaibhav> installing from synaptic works fine
[13:43] <vigo> Is todays update the one that breaks NM or causes an error?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: do you use a proxy?
[13:43] <yoritomo> how to upgrade to the beta of karmic koala ? i am on jaunty
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> yoritomo: sudo update-manager -d
[13:43] <FlipStonE> hello, i have a problem with my audio in kubuntu karmic koala... for example, limewire plays music, vlc and mplayer don't, even no system sounds... anyone has a tip or solution?
[13:43] <vaibhav> yes
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: you may need to add your proxy credentials to apt-get
[13:43] <yoritomo> thanks ActionParsnip
[13:43] <vaibhav> I have done that
[13:44] <vaibhav> sudo apt-get update works fine
[13:44] <Joeboy> Any ideas how to stop network manager automatically logging on to the wrong network?
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: so you only get the error with the virtualbox file?
[13:45] <vaibhav> no there is 20 more lines, main ubuntu channel,
[13:45] <vaibhav> opera  etc.,
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: all the same (proxy authentication)?
[13:45] <vaibhav> yes
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: i'd check this out: http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html
[13:45] <vigo> Joeboy: Hardline or wireless?
[13:46] <Joeboy> vigo: wireless
[13:46] <vaibhav> now I have done that
[13:48] <vigo> Joeboy: I have not had that much experience in Wireless, but I will look around, I would guess it is a confg or something that is incorrect.
[13:48] <vaibhav> there is also another error sometimes with a warning like, unknown error has occured
[13:48] <Joeboy> vigo: I *might* have found it...
[13:50] <jbwiv> hi guys. I upgraded to Koala yesterday through apt, but because I'm using Software Raid + LVM, the reboot didn't go so well. Now I'm re-installing from CD, which is fine because I had my system paritioned well. However, I have a problem. My /home partition was/is encrypted, so when configuring partitions manually Ubuntu can't see a filesystem on it. If I try to configure an encrypted partition on it, it asks me for a new passphra
[13:50] <vaibhav> there is also another error , here is a trace http://pastebin.com/m213da2ce
[13:50] <jbwiv> partition. So, how can I re-mount this encrypted parition during install?
[13:51] <vigo> Joeboy: Please share if you found the *fix* , I am still looking,,
[13:52] <Joeboy> vigo: I found the connection it was using under ~/.gconf/system/networking/connections and deleted the directory
[13:52] <vaibhav> @ActionParsnip : however sudo apt-get upgrade is doing the job
[13:53] <vigo> Joeboy: Ahh, that does sound or appear as it could have been the issue.
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> vaibhav: then i'm not sure, your proxy is dot something weird
[13:55] <imachine> hey
[13:55] <jbwiv> anyone? how can I mount an ecrypted partition and not overwrite the data during re-install?
[13:55] <imachine> how can I make my ~ bigger?
[13:55] <imachine> I have this file mounted
[13:55] <sheldon> hi, anyone has a non correct localization in firefox on karmic??? (my system is in itailan but i have firefox in english)
[13:55] <imachine> because it's now cryupted I think?
[13:55] <kblin> jbwiv: I have tried to do so and failed.
[13:55] <vigo> Joeboy: here is a Launchpad writeup: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/435618 But I think that is what you just did to resolve it.
[13:55] <jbwiv> kblin: wow...ouch
[13:56] <kblin> jbwiv: backups ftw
[13:56] <kblin> jbwiv: in any case, there's some blog posts describing how to do this
[13:56] <jbwiv> yes...well, most of it is backed up. Some is not. I guess I'll try to boot up in Live CD and at least mount it and get the other files. Sucks that this isn't easier
[13:57] <kblin> jbwiv: you might try yourself, but proceed with caution :)
[13:57] <jbwiv> kblin: k, thx
[13:57] <kblin> too few people do this, I guess
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> vigo: surely if interfaces is used then network manager can be uninstalled or at least diabled with bum
[13:57] <jbwiv> kblin: sad...encrypted partitions are a nice feature
[13:58] <mzz> my ~ is ecryptfs-encrypted, and getting at the ~ from jaunty while booted into karmic was surprisingly hard. Eventually I just punted, rebooted into jaunty and copied the data off the encrypted partition
[13:58] <vigo> ActionParsnip: That is what I was reading up on further....
[13:58] <mzz> simply chrooting into jaunty and mounting there failed because the user ids matched, so the scripts assumed things were already decrypted
[13:59] <mzz> I think the easiest approach would've been to create a temporary secondary user, so I could chroot into jaunty without having my regular user's ~ mounted
[13:59] <kblin> mzz: lucky if you could do that. my system is on an encrypted LVM. during the install, at some point I seem to have loaded it as encrypted lvm but seem to have accidently generated a new content
[13:59] <mzz> eeeeeep
[13:59] <mzz> lvm here too, but the only encrypted things are swap and ~
[13:59] <kblin> probably makes sense
[14:00] <kblin> but back when I set up my system just encrypting everything seemed easier...
[14:00] <mzz> shrug, they both have their pros and cons
[14:00] <kblin> e.g. I'd like to keep /etc encrypted as well
[14:00] <mzz> advantage is I can keep stuff decrypted, disadvantage is that I should pay attention to what ends up stored decrypted
[14:01] <mzz> also, I think the encrypted swap broke hibernate (well, resume)
[14:01] <mzz> haven't tried to debug that one yet.
[14:01] <kblin> hm, that works for me
[14:01] <mzz> it may be something unrelated, I haven't figured out how to debug it yet.
[14:02] <kblin> but I agree, on a new system with a bigger hdd, I'd not encrypt a big /data partition
[14:02] <mzz> ecryptfs also makes sense for a multiuser setup (which this actually isn't, but still)
[14:02] <jbwiv> I wonder if just getting the upgraded installation to boot would be faster. Anyone tried to upgrade a system via apt with software raid+lvm and gotten "Error 15: File not found" on reboot from grub? kblin, have you seen this?
[14:03] <mzz> which grub? that sounds like 1?
[14:03] <kblin> jbwiv: apart from the vbox kernel module which seems to have borked, I haven't seen any update-related issues yet
[14:04] <dooglus> about 50% of the time, when I log in, no window manager is running, and so I can't move or resize any windows.  any known fix for this?
[14:04] <kblin> only bluetooth is broken
[14:04] <mzz> jbwiv: do you still have a working grub prompt? Can you manually boot from there?
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: try: compiz --replace
[14:05] <mzz> dooglus: check ~/.xsession-errors for anything wm-related
[14:05] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: what I've been doing is running 'compiz-manager' in a terminal, and that seems to work
[14:05] <jbwiv> mzz: which grub? The one that comes with Koala
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: then add it to your startup items list
[14:05] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: but the CPU is at 100% on one core, and compiz-manager complains that Xgl isn't found, or some such
[14:05] <mzz> jbwiv: "Error 15: file not found" sounds like a grub 1 message, and I would expect the upgrade to install grub 2 (although I didn't actually upgrade so I could be wrong)
[14:05] <jbwiv> mzz: I have a working grub prompt, but when I try to boot the default grub config  I get that message
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: have you installed and configured video drivers?
[14:06] <dooglus> mzz: it's OK this time - I keep re-logging in until it was fine.  so the previous xsession-errors has gone?
[14:06] <mzz> jbwiv: ok, can you manually boot from that grub prompt, and compare what you had to do to do that to what's in menu.lst?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: you can drag windows from anywhere if you hold alt down too ;)
[14:06] <kblin> mzz: no, the dist-upgrade doesn't touch grub
[14:06] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: no, it seems the installs did that automatically for me
[14:06] <mzz> dooglus: I forgot if there's a .old for that one
[14:06] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I can't - not without compiz-manager it seems
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: what is the output of: lspci | grep VGA
[14:06] <kblin> mzz: it also doesn't change ext3 partitions into ext4 partitions :)
[14:06] <mzz> kblin: ah, I stand corrected
[14:06] <jbwiv> mzz: I'm sure I can...but I'm trying to comprehend how to
[14:06] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[14:07] <jbwiv> my /boot was an ext2 and wasn't encrypted
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: if you hols alt you can drag a window from any pixel you choose
[14:07] <jbwiv> my / was LVM
[14:07] <mzz> jbwiv: I'd start with "geometry (hd0)", does it see the right partitions?
[14:07] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: I changed it to be the windows key, not alt - and I think it still needs a window manager to work
[14:07] <jbwiv> both lived on a software raid mirrored drive though...and I'm afraid that error message comes from not having software raid going properly
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: I'd ask in #compiz they willbe much more helpful :)
[14:07] <dooglus> ok, thanks
[14:07] <jbwiv> mzz: let me check...having to KVM back and forth. One sec
[14:07] <dooglus> I was thinking it might be to do with the new ubuntu fast boot stuff
[14:08] <dooglus> 'cos it's not repeatable - only happens half the time
[14:08] <jbwiv> mzz: it shows the ext2 boot parition fine, but the LVM parition (on which root lives) shows up as unknown partitino
[14:08] <dooglus> mzz: there is a .old version, so I can compare a good and a bad run
[14:08] <mzz> jbwiv: that's normal
[14:09] <jbwiv> "Filesystem type unknown"
[14:09] <dooglus> the first difference is that the old (bad) log says:
[14:09] <dooglus> /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[14:09] <jbwiv> so, yeah, it see both
[14:09] <dooglus> and: /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[14:09] <mzz> jbwiv: then it's something like "root (hd0,0)" (assuming that's your /boot partition), "kernel /vmlinuz<tab>", "initrd /initrd<tab>", "boot"
[14:09] <mzz> jbwiv: might need a root= in there somewhere too
[14:10] <mzz> jbwiv: sorry, haven't done this in a while
[14:10] <jbwiv> mzz: ok, one sec
[14:11] <NoelJB> vigo, those two reports don't seem the same to me.  One is about managing unmanaged devices, the other (Joeboy's) is about it connecting to a network that NM has previously been told to use.  He ought to have been able to go into Edit Connections and remove that network from the list of approved WIFI networks.
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4   may help
[14:11] <jbwiv> mzz: wow...I can't believe that worked. You are freaking awesome
[14:12] <mzz> jbwiv: now you'll want to compare what you just did to what's in menu.lst :)
[14:12] <vigo> NoelJB: I noticed that also, still looking for the rest of it.
[14:12] <jbwiv> mzz: I've had this problem before on upgrades with ubuntu+lvm+softwareraid and couldn't get it just right. I really need to read up on grub commands.
[14:12] <jbwiv> mzz: cool...Ibrb
[14:13] <jbwiv> mzz: ah, it's giving up on not finding /root. so I think you're right about needing the root= in there. any idea what that should look like? and is that on the kernel line?
[14:13] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: thanks
[14:14] <mzz> jbwiv: err, sec
[14:14] <dooglus> ActionParsnip: remember yesterday people were advising me to run the 64 bit ubuntu so I can access all 4GB of RAM?
[14:14] <dooglus> well, I tried that - I couldn't get the wireless driver to work using ndiswrapper
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> dooglus: gah :(
[14:14] <dooglus> so I had to reinstall the old 32bit version
[14:14] <dooglus> also none of the controls on youtube videos (like pause, volume, etc) worked
[14:14] <kblin> jbwiv: what's your root device?
[14:15] <dooglus> at least this time I thought to install the 32bit version dual-boot
[14:15] <mzz> jbwiv: something like "kernel /vmlinuz<tab> root=/dev/mapper/main-root ro"
[14:15] <dooglus> so I can go between the two, rather than starting from scratch each time
[14:15] <mzz> jbwiv: (my root partition is on the lv root on the vg main)
[14:16] <mzz> jbwiv: and you do need the initramfs to work for it to get this far
[14:17] <jbwiv> mzz: ok, copying what was already in the default grub config (root=/dev/mapper/MAIN_VG-ROOT_LV). stand by
[14:17] <jbwiv> getting farther now...brb
[14:18] <mzz> yeah, that's a plausible root=
[14:20] <milaz> Hi all, I need some help to continue testing Karmic Beta.
[14:20] <milaz> Yesterday I was doing an upgrade, and gdm crashed
[14:21] <milaz> Now I have semi-upgraded system which only shows desktop background
[14:21] <milaz> I cannot finish the upgrade because there is no login prompt in any tty
[14:22] <jbwiv> mzz: so I get through entering my pass phrases for my encrypted partitions...everything looks great, and then it starts up kjournald, and just stops there
[14:22] <jbwiv> doesn't continue booting after that.
[14:22] <mzz> that doesn't ring a bell, sorry
[14:22] <jbwiv> it's not frozen...I see messages if for example I plugin or unplug a usb key
[14:22] <milaz> Does anybody know how to put login prompts to ttys?
[14:22] <jbwiv> mzz: oh well, you've gotten me this far. thank you ;)
[14:22] <milaz> There's just boot messages there
[14:23] <jbwiv> milaz: you haven't gotten far enough in the boot process (sounds like my problem)
[14:23] <jbwiv> so login isn't running
[14:24] <milaz> jbwiv: Oh, maybe it's that. I think there's gdm login happens, since I see desktop background of gnome
[14:25] <milaz> In previous systems, tty logins appeared long before gdm login. Did it change now?
[14:26] <milaz> jbwiv: how do you see that it starts kjournald?
[14:27] <zer0x> Hi all, can anyone tell me an easy way of disabling pulse audio on 9.10?
[14:28] <milaz> Can it be the problem that I did an upgrade on live USB disk, thus initramfs wasn't generated?
[14:28] <jbwiv> milaz: I'd be surprised if that chnaged. How do I see that it starts kjournald? I see that on the console
[14:28] <milaz> Because there was two kernel updates
[14:29] <milaz> jbwiv: oh, maybe the eighth console, I'd check it
[14:31] <MTecknology> ok.. so I have my system booting pretty fast after the kernel loading, but the kernel loading takes a long long time... how hard would it be to trim this part?
[14:31] <jbwiv> nothing on the 8th for me...just black. system just stops booting, even though it's alive
[14:34] <milaz> maybe there's some kernel params to run busybox?
[14:37] <jbwiv> milaz: perhaps...I'll look thanks
[14:37] <vigo> MTecknology: What else or what other things are load or start at system boot?
[14:38] <MTecknology> vigo: how can I list them?
[14:39] <vigo> MTecknology: See system>Control Center?
[14:39] <MTecknology> vigo: I don't have gnome
[14:40] <MTecknology> how do I do it w/ cli?
[14:40] <vigo> MTecknology: There are a few ways, that is a Gnome ,,oh ok,,,
[14:40] <milaz> jbwiv: if you find any, tell me, I'm looking for them too :)
[14:40] <jbwiv> milaz: sure thing ;)
[14:41] <Amaranth> !info lubuntu-desktop
[14:42] <vigo> MTecknology: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1077971.html
[14:42] <Amaranth> hmm, multiverse...
[14:42] <Gekz> Hi.
[14:42] <Amaranth> They must not care about patent issues so pull in codecs for lubuntu
[14:42] <Gekz> Why is the au mirror so far behind the us one?
[14:42] <joaopinto> MTecknology, build a custom kernel ?
[14:42] <Gekz> there's no even a mono-complete package on the au mirror
[14:42] <Gekz> -.-
[14:42] <Gekz> not*
[14:42] <MTecknology> joaopinto: I'm considering it..
[14:42] <Amaranth> Gekz: It happens sometimes
[14:43] <MTecknology> vigo: I can show you what sysv-rc-conf shows
[14:43] <Gekz> and
[14:43] <joaopinto> MTecknology, disabling services is not related to kernel load time :P
[14:43] <Gekz> the kernel backports package
[14:43] <Gekz> still isnt updated
[14:43] <Gekz> so I cant get wireless working with -12 of the kernel
[14:43] <Gekz> lol
[14:43] <MTecknology> joaopinto: nope, but he was asking about it
[14:43] <MTecknology> vigo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/288628/
[14:47] <Tarthen> Does Anjuta work for anyone?
[14:47] <MTecknology> vigo: I was hoping I could just find a way to see what's making it take a long time and give the kernel line something like --no-flopy
[14:47] <MTecknology> joaopinto: ^
[14:48] <kblin> Gekz: use a different mirror then?
[14:48] <Gekz> kblin: they're all incredibly slow for me
[14:48] <Gekz> :<
[14:48] <Gekz> 30KB/s slow
[14:49] <vigo> MTecknology: Ok, that looks neat, I was asking about that so I could see what hardware stuff was loading, we are on the same line of thought there,
[14:49] <MTecknology> I tried to disable everything I don't actually need
[14:49] <MTecknology> need/want
[14:52] <chu_> This has been a pretty smooth update, I'm now wondering how do I go about removing the old Jaunty partition?
[14:53] <chu_> Perhaps giving the space either to / or /home
[14:53] <thiebaude> chu_, can you use gparted?
[14:53] <sergiumihai> anyideas how to change refresh rate in ubuntu 9.10?
[14:54] <chu_> I have a 9.10 beta live disc (which runs perfect on my laptop) available.
[14:54] <thiebaude> sergiumihai, which graphics card?
[14:54] <sergiumihai> thiebaude: ATI radeon 2100 integreted in motherboard
[14:54] <thiebaude> ahh,ok
[14:55] <chu_> Anyway, I just updated to hardware drivers (not that I needed to) for my graphics card, let's hope all works well, I'll be back after a reboot.
[14:55] <thiebaude> sergiumihai, system-preferences-display?
[14:55] <MTecknology> vigo: I was just looking, "Waiting for resume device" takes a long time and right after it loads apparmor profiles there's a long wait too
[14:56] <sergiumihai> thiebaude there is only 60Hz Refresh rate, if only there were a higher value
[14:56] <thiebaude> sergiumihai, i see what you mean
[14:57] <vigo> MTecknology: Have you removed the lines of code that you never will need/want, like recompile the source , intense editing,
[14:57] <zer0x> Is there a way to permenantly disable (but not remove if possible) pulseaudio on 9.10?
[14:57] <MTecknology> vigo: removed what line?
[14:58] <thiebaude> sergiumihai, how did you install the video drivers?
[14:59] <zer0x> sergiumihai: If you need a custom resolution/refresh rate, I'd generate an xorg.conf with X -configure, then generate modelines using 'gtf' and insert them into the x.org conf
[14:59] <gnomefreak> !pulseaudio > zer0x
[15:00] <vigo> MTecknology: That is where I hesitate, is tricky stuff, in plain words, remove the lines of code from the kernel that are not needed.
[15:00] <Tito_Floren> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[15:00] <MTecknology> vigo: the kernel is compiled.. are you telling me to download the source and compile the kernel myself?
[15:01] <sergiumihai> zer0x, X -reconfigure says Server is already active for display 0, maybe is needed to shutdown X?)
[15:01] <Gekz> Pulseaudio makes my pidgin do a weird sound after the beep sound
[15:01] <Gekz> >_>
[15:01] <Gekz> it works fine with plain alsa
[15:01] <sergiumihai> before running this command
[15:01] <Gekz> and this is why I hate pulse
[15:01] <Gekz> minimal gain
[15:02] <vigo> MTecknology: That is the simple answer, yes. That may not be THE answer. but it is an idea.
[15:02] <gnomefreak> there is a bug already on strange noises (cant recall bug number) but it is not consistent to PA IIRC
[15:02] <MTecknology> vigo: I was trying to not have to muck around the kernel source - been there, done that, not fun
[15:02] <Gekz> and
[15:02] <Gekz> I get EC bugs
[15:02] <Pici> PA works great on my computers. /me shrugs
[15:02] <Gekz> which end with sound completely not working
[15:02] <Gekz> haha
[15:02] <Gekz> god
[15:02] <MTecknology> vigo: I was hoping for an option to just not do certain things
[15:03] <Gekz> <3 beta
[15:03] <zer0x> sergiumihai: yes, I would  'Ctrl-Alt-F1' to get to a console, then 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' to stop the X server, you should be able to run the X -configure then, it will place the file in local folder as 'xorg.conf.new'
[15:03] <gnomefreak> Pici: mine too. it may be related to the sound card
[15:03] <Gekz> .31 is another .25 for me
[15:03] <gnomefreak> Gekz: try to keep your thoughts on one line
[15:03] <sergiumihai> zer0x, thx
[15:03] <Gekz> my thoughts are semirandom
[15:03] <Gekz> low-entropy.
[15:04]  * gnomefreak wonders why you are not using jockey for video drivers as it does most everything for you
[15:04] <gnomefreak> Gekz: ok than how about this: keep your thoughts on one or 2 lines
[15:04] <Gekz> hehe ok
[15:04] <gnomefreak> thank you
[15:04] <vigo> MTecknology: Agreed, that is why I was so hesitant in my response. Simple solution, set your alarm clock back 5 minutes. then it will seem right as rain.
[15:05] <Gekz> the Linux kernel is starting to get seriously bloated and unstable >_>
[15:05] <gnomefreak> starting to?
[15:05] <Gekz> well
[15:05] <Gekz> since the beginning of 2.6
[15:05] <jhunold> My upgrade from 9.04 fails with "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle." It is safe to remove and then reinstall OO after the upgrade ?
[15:05] <zer0x> gnomefreak: I have had a look at Pulse on the wiki, I don't appear to have an /etc/asound.conf or any options in /system/preferences/sound..
[15:05] <gnomefreak> been like that in jaunty cant remember if before
[15:06] <MTecknology> vigo: hu?
[15:06] <zer0x> I really hope I am being stupid!
[15:06] <tgpraveen> Gekz: some do call it bloated including *cough* linus but it definetely aint unstable
[15:06] <vigo> MTecknology: That was an attempt at humor, faster boot, wake up five minutes earlier.
[15:06] <thiebaude> its not unstable for me
[15:06] <Gekz> tgpraveen: lots of the modules aren't up to scratch
[15:07] <Gekz> and the amount of issues I've had with their ACPI EC implementation is insane
[15:07] <MTecknology> vigo: that could help the first time - but what about the rest of the day - this is a laptop I take to classes w/ a crappy battery
[15:07] <Gekz> my IRQs on my nforce board overlap something fierce so my music always skips
[15:07] <gnomefreak> zer0x: IIRC they changed name/location but that i would have to ask sound guys about. i am waiting for one of them to get back to me but i have been waiting for ~5 hours now
[15:08] <MTecknology> time to run away
[15:08] <zer0x> gnomefreak: ah, np, I'll get find and grep on the case later today!
[15:09] <gnomefreak> ok cool. im gone for a while updating a few scripts
[15:09] <zer0x> cheers for the headsup!
[15:14] <JoshuaL> there was a command who shows you a few options like isntalling LAMP, but i cant remember what command it was
[15:14] <Pici> JoshuaL: tasksel
[15:14] <JoshuaL> Pici, thanks!
[15:15] <brynjarh> how do I try out gnome shell in ubuntu 9.10 beta? I've already installed it (sudo apt-get install gnome-shell).
[15:19] <Elone>  question how do i resize fat32 boot image ?
[15:20] <danlii> I need some help; I upgraded my router to 9.10, and now hardly any services will start automatically, bind9 won't start at all and the network traffic is super slow, 28 kB/sec on a 10 Mbit line... I see nothing wrong in the syslog or dmesg. What could have gone wrong? Oh, also, it didn't insert kernel 2.6.31 into the grub menu, I had to do that myself too.
[15:24] <mac_v> brynjarh: $cd /usr/bin  and $./gnome-shell --replace
[15:24] <ubuntu_> has anyone successfully installed 9.10 on a hard drive with grub working ?
[15:25] <mac_v> ubuntu_: almost everyone ;)
[15:25] <ubuntu_> i keep getting this "missing operating system error"
[15:26] <thiebaude> ubuntu_, how did you install 9.10?
[15:26] <ubuntu_> downloaded desktop cd , burnt it and installed there from
[15:27] <Dawgmatix> wanted to report that karmic doesnt seem to work on my tyan 2915 motherboard, I think this has an nvidia nforce motherboard
[15:28] <chu_> Hey guys, I think my update manager is broken, is anyone elses?
[15:28] <chu_> Wondering what the command to update from cli is?
[15:28] <Dawgmatix> chu - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[15:28] <chu_> cheers Dawgmarix
[15:29] <chu_> Yeah sick that works.
[15:30] <mzz> huh, iirc jaunty had a gpg agent running by default, which karmic doesn't seem to be doing?
[15:30]  * mzz wonders if he forgot to copy some configuration file
[15:31] <danlii> Anyone has a solution for extremely slow internet connection under karmic?
[15:32] <Myxb> upgraded to karmic. apparently there is a problem with nvidia driver... and i cannot get to console; the screen becomes garbled so i do not see what it type. the rep version does not help either.
[15:32] <Dawgmatix> danlii - are you using wireless ?
[15:33] <danlii> Dawgmatix: No.
[15:35] <Dawgmatix> then I dont know :)
[15:35] <pucko-> Anyone know how to change the language in kubuntu beta? Everything from konsole-messages to menus in kde and so on? For some reason it all reverted to english when I upgraded
[15:36] <chu_> Guys, I'd just like to thank you all heaps, I have now successfully done a clean upgrade to Karmic, I have most things set-up (for some reason I can't get gnome-do to install?), but yeah, the base works, and that's what really matters, cheers guys.
[15:37] <chu_> Night all.
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> weird, i just installed it without problem chu
[15:41] <Dawgmatix> anyone managed to install karmic on an nforce mobo ?
[15:41] <eagles0513875> which nforce chipset
[15:42] <Dawgmatix> nforce pro 3600
[15:43] <eagles0513875> my nforece chipset is 750i havent had problems with kubuntu at least on nforce chipsets in the past
[15:43] <eagles0513875> even my current one
[15:43] <Dawgmatix> ah mine is slightly older ...
[15:43] <peol> Does anyone know if there exists a webkit-driven desktop widget daemon for gnome? Would be awesome to be able to create that stuff using html+css+javascript
[15:46] <eagles0513875> Dawgmatix: usually the older stuff has better support
[15:48] <tgpraveen> !info telepathy-butterfly
[15:56]  * Dr_Willis finds the various 'widgits' out for operating systems.. to be rather annoying.
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> I  must be old skool. I liked the way windowmaker did it with its 'warf'  applets.
[15:58] <peol> webkit-based could be nice though, easily styled and themed using CSS which would allow the user to customize everything to their exact needs, instead of the graphical parts
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> I belove that was tried with WindowsME......
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:58] <FFEMTcJ> Does anyone know the repo for firefox to get FF3.7?
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> and theres proberly ways to embed web pages/browsers into the destkop in frameless windows/borderless
[16:01] <disismt> Hi all. I upgraded to 9.10. I have disabled nautilus from putting icons on Desktop. Now, I observed that cursor would turn into a 'loading' icon, whenever it was put on Desktop area. And CPU usage was around 60%. I then did 'pkill -f nautilus', and both the loading cursor and high cpu usage disappeared. Maybe this is a bug?
[16:01] <Elone>  question ~ how do i resize fat12 boot image(boot.gz) ?
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  clarify that a little bit....
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> Thats a floppy disk image?
[16:03] <asylus> Hello where can I find microphone boost?
[16:04] <Elone> Dr_Willis, trying to add so file to the boot image be the image is full ; ;
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> You can access a filesystem 'in' a file. by mounting it via the loop feature of mount
[16:04] <Elone> Dr_Willis, yes sir
[16:04] <peol> asylus: Install gnome-alsamixer, go into Applications->Sound and Video
[16:04] <disismt> ok no one's interested then ? Ok, gotta go ...
[16:04] <Dr_Willis> but  a boot image MIGHT have some very strict size requirements
[16:04] <asylus> peol: ok thx m8
[16:05] <Elone> Dr_Willis, think i can make it to 2.88MB?
[16:05] <naxa> hi
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  you may want to make a 2.88 image file and mount both and copy the stuff over to the 2.88mb image file
[16:05] <naxa> i was updating to karmic beta when power cut off. how can i continue the update? it was configuring libc6, fortunately i was able to repair that with sudo aptitude -f install. how to go on?
[16:06] <Elone> Dr_Willis, how do i do that?
[16:06] <meuserj> ok.. in Karmic it seems that there is the ability to create a background slideshow, because it ships with one set up...  I'd like to create my own though, and I can't figure out how.
[16:07] <meuserj> Yelp and Google don't seem to be of any help either.
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  use  the proper 'dd' command to make a 2.88mb file, format it with  the proper mkfs command. mount it..
[16:08] <naxa> um... will sudo apt-get dist-upgrade update to karmic just now?
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  you may need the 'mtools' package to format the fake floppy
[16:09]  * Dr_Willis notices he hasent had a machione with a floppy disk in... years
[16:09] <naxa> fdd is cool
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> I got a LS120 'floppy' that can go on an IDE port. :)
[16:10] <Dr_Willis> somewhere.. in my pile of parts
[16:10] <meuserj> err. I guess it's been there for a while.. and didn't notice until now.
[16:10] <naxa> my real problem is that i can't really get that "big" floppy drive
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> meuserj:  looke like theres a sub dir with the images and a xml file - i looked at them the tother day
[16:11] <naxa> there are solutions for the small one even on usb and you can find real drives, too, but not a big one
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> see /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos    and the  background-1.xml  file
[16:12] <naxa> um another thing i was always wondering about... is it theoretically possible to use a cd-rom device to read dvd?
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> that xml file looks like it lists the file, and how long to show it as wallpaper.
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> naxa:  I do not think it is.
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> the lazers are the wrong frequency, and focus improperly
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> and a dvd has like 4x the density of data/pits
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> Then theres the dual-layer dvd's :)
[16:13] <naxa> i see... and what if one modify the drive itself
[16:13] <Rovanion> I'm getting an error when I try to install a plasmoid here: it says that it cannot find FindKDE4nternal.cmake in a specific folder. This is in Kubuntu 9.10
[16:13] <naxa> yeah, another problem is that dvd-RW DL is not being produced
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> naxa:  yea.. go for it. :) good luck with modifying a cdrom drive to read dvd..
[16:13] <meuserj> Dr_Willis: so.. no GUI to setup a slideshow yet I guess..
[16:13] <naxa> i am just curious :)
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> meuserj:  not that ive ever seen.
[16:14] <Dr_Willis> meuserj:  that xml file seems rather straight forwared.
[16:14] <Rovanion> Can I fix this in some way?
[16:14] <naxa> Dr_Willis, do you know maybe where apt keeps the files to determine _in which order_ does it need to install the packages (for example when upgraading)? i was always wondered how it is done
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Rovanion, install cmake
[16:15] <naxa> sorry for bad english :)
[16:15] <Rovanion> BluesKaj, It is installed. Ran sudo apt-get install cmake
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> naxa:  never noticed.. it proberly reads all the dependencies  and is sure they are all satafied.. then the order dosent really matter
[16:15] <mzz> turns out seahorse-plugins wasn't installed. I wonder if that's intentional (I don't recall installing it explicitly on jaunty)
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> Theres a lot of kde extras not installed by default
[16:16] <naxa> Dr_Willis, but it seems to know an optimized way.... for example one of the fist packages was libc6 what it tried to update
[16:16] <naxa> what not begins with "a" but is very important... it seems there is some optimized "order"
[16:17] <naxa> also it's not like "trying abc...-1.2.3 - dependencies not met, trying next package" it never does anything like this
[16:17] <naxa> apt seems to know an exact order somehow
[16:18] <naxa> now when i'm upgrading to karmic it has 2673 packages in the cache
[16:18] <naxa> there must definietly be some order
[16:19] <TheFuzzball> What functionality does Ubuntu colud cluster add?
[16:20] <Elone> Dr_Willis, how do i make the new image bootable?
[16:24] <billybigrigger> why does everything show up as plain text?
[16:24] <billybigrigger> in nautilus
[16:24] <Pici> Because theres probably a bug.
[16:25] <billybigrigger> thanks tips :P
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  no idea really.  see whats on the original.
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  this is a boot image for a bootable cdrom i am guessing?
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  or what os is on the boot image?
[16:25] <Elone> a DOS boot image
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> if its the dos os.. then i guess ya would use those mtools  same as you would to make a bootable 'real' floppt
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> !info mtools
[16:28] <Elone> mtools don't seems to support images T^T
[16:31] <zer0x> Does anyone here use the BBC iplayer on x86_64 karmic beta?
[16:32] <zer0x> or x86 for that matter?
[16:33] <phako> billybigrigger, after update?
[16:34] <phako> +right after
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> Elone:  you could use DOSBOX i guess
[16:42] <NinjaPlimsolls> todays updates seem to be working ok
[16:46] <thopiekar> hi
[16:47] <thopiekar> whats up with the backport-modules for the current kernel , for me x64?
[16:47] <zer0x> Does anyone use BBC iplayer on karmic at all? :D
[16:48] <thopiekar> I need the modules to use my bluetooth adapter..
[16:48] <thopiekar> for listening music with my bt headset
[16:48] <thopiekar> :P
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> I  dident notice any problems.
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> My BT headset cant do that. :(
[16:48] <Dr_Willis> its old...
[16:49] <thopiekar> mine is about 6 years old.. but it works great!
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> It works for the phones.. but i cant ever get audio from a pc to actually play out it.,
[16:50] <thopiekar> just searching for devices while hearing music causes some breaks in the sound stream..
[16:50] <Dr_Willis>  the mic works.
[16:50] <thopiekar> hmm
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> Wanting to get a blue tooth mouse/headset  some time..  but i got plenty of mice. :)
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> wife took my good mouse.. may have to tell her.. give it back.. or i get new one. :P
[16:51] <thopiekar> hehe
[16:52] <fbn> Hi, is there a Netinstall-CD for Karmic Koala Beta or do I have to download 5 GB DVD image?
[16:52] <thopiekar> and except of that modules problem.. everything works great at karmic..
[16:52] <ubox> oooo +1
[16:52] <thopiekar> whenever a crash appears I report it on launchpad.. And I help others, too, whenever I can :)
[16:53] <thopiekar> fbn: do you have already jaunty installed?
[16:53] <thopiekar> then you can simply upgrade it..
[16:53] <zer0x> fbn: Are you looking at cdimage.ubuntu? try..
[16:54] <zer0x> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/
[16:54] <zer0x> for cd images :D
[16:54] <thopiekar> zer0x: :)
[16:56] <zer0x> I have a vague memory of that confusing me a while back, I must have been drunk again :P
[16:56] <fbn> thopiekar: no, new blank system :)
[16:56] <thopiekar> ok then just download the images for the site zer0x gave you :)
[16:57] <thopiekar> you can choose then between a CD or a DVD image..
[16:57] <thopiekar> but I newer heard about a NetInstall CD..
[16:57] <fbn> yeah but I don't want to download 5 Gigs ...
[16:57] <fbn> thought there where netinstall-ISOs about 20 MB which download the packets on demand
[16:58] <thopiekar> yes that images are very usefull because the most packages atm are getting outdated very fast..
[16:58] <thopiekar> so a update would be needed for sure..
[17:00] <zer0x> fbn: I don't rememeber seeing any net-install's for ubuntu, you thinking of debian? the ISO's from the link I gave are ~700MB cd-roms.. must go! Cheers all :D
[17:01] <thopiekar> btw.. many other distributions are using that method, too
[17:01] <thopiekar> opensuse for example..
[17:02] <fbn> ah I see I had another download place with 5GB images ... thanks!
[17:02] <DasEi> is the safemode still a problem in karmic ? I run it as a vm in vbox, neither can go grub>safemode or sudo init 1 from trml..
[17:03] <thopiekar> dunno
[17:03] <thopiekar> do you mean that there should be a problem getting into init 1?
[17:04] <thopiekar> I didn't catched that..
[17:04] <DasEi> other vm's behave as their native relatives, yes thopiekar
[17:04] <thopiekar> k
[17:04] <thopiekar> I'll try that..
[17:04] <thopiekar> mom
[17:04] <DasEi> sudo init 1
[17:04] <doubletwist> Ok so I ran into a problem last night installing the Karmic beta and I'm not sure if it's just me or a bug/problem
[17:05] <thopiekar> DasEi: thanks, but I know how to do that :)
[17:05] <DasEi> sorry :-!
[17:06] <doubletwist> I've got   /dev/sdaX which has a Windows 7 install.   Then I have /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc  [all sata drives] which I attempted to install on using software RAID1. The install itself went fine and the mdX devices sync'd normally [according to /proc/mdstat]
[17:06] <thopiekar> ok it doesn't work.. :P
[17:06] <doubletwist> But on boot, grub fails to boot
[17:06] <doubletwist> well, grub itself starts and gives me the boot options
[17:06] <thopiekar> but 6 and 0 should work..
[17:06] <DasEi> thopiekar: what happened (what a quick machine ?!)
[17:07]  * DasEi trying 0
[17:07] <thopiekar> nothing.. I opend my Terminal on KDE and there was simply nothing..
[17:07] <doubletwist> but then it drops me to an initramfs shell. Initially because it couldn't find the UUID listed. But even when I specified the root= device [/dev/md2, or (md2)] I got the same thing.
[17:07] <DasEi> .. just sits there, same here
[17:07] <thopiekar> yes
[17:08] <doubletwist> the grub.cfg includes the "insmod" entries for raid and mdraid. But it doesn't recognize the raid devices. Although it does if I boot off the CD in recovery mode.
[17:08] <DasEi> siro turns off..
[17:08] <thopiekar> but the runlevels for rebooting and shutdown should work! don't wanna check them now :P
[17:08] <DasEi> recory mode just boots regular
[17:08] <doubletwist> as a secondary and less important problem, the grub menu doesn't list my windows environment either.
[17:09] <IndyGunFreak> anyone having issues w/ Pidgin not connecting?
[17:09] <mbeierl> Urg.  X crash with nvidia and iwl3945 wireless active still happens even in Karmic
[17:10] <DasEi> thopiekar:   I'm asking because of all that backheld updates that won't do in a loaded(used) Deskop, no way to come to the dpkg-screen ?
[17:10] <doubletwist> DasEi: well it asks you what drive to boot off of.
[17:10] <IndyGunFreak> i have a feeling karmic is gonna be a trainwreck.
[17:11] <doubletwist> or rather, it boots off the CD, then asks which hard drive to use as root.
[17:11] <thopiekar> what do you mean with dpkg-screen?
[17:11] <thopiekar> DasEi: ^
[17:11] <DasEi> thopiekar: the choice you get from the recovery-menu
[17:12] <doubletwist> I have to say, I'm not terribly fond of grub2 at this stage. the configuration strikes me a significantly more complicated than grub1 was. It took me some time to figure out what half the crap in the grub.cfg was trying to do.
[17:12] <DasEi> can use dpkg without the libs being loaded
[17:12] <thopiekar> hmm dunno
[17:13] <DasEi> doubletwist: I'm running karmic in vm; grub2 is much nicer in doing things itself, though I had (and will have to) read, too
[17:13] <doubletwist> DasEi: Well, sure, it's much better at automating things and 'figuring out' what's up. But when that fails, it's a lot harder to troubleshoot.
[17:15] <DasEi> doubletwist: mmh, but as it seems it detects failures better, too.. rembering grub legacy sessions with screwed mbr's.. only time will tell
[17:15] <DasEi> ... safe xterm... 20 updates held back.. gnarf
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. still having issues with usb flash drives not auto-mounting to the gnome desktop
[17:17] <DasEi> ok, so it's not the vm, but the inits expect from 0 and 6 don't work yet
[17:18] <DasEi> also no rescue mode
[17:19] <DasEi> Dr_Willis: enable polling ?
[17:19] <thopiekar> The last time I worked on gnome it seemed to work well.. , Dr_Willis
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> it works for a while.. then it stops
[17:19] <thopiekar> around a week ago..
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> I thought it was related to if i used 'unmount or eject' but i cant 'force' it to break
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> Just now plugged in another flash drive.. dmesg shows it.. system dosent auto mount it
[17:21]  * Dr_Willis misses the days of having a mount 'tool' where ya just clicked on  the right thing to mount it.. :) ansd rembering to UNmount it befor ya removed it
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> Mount Tool in the panel dosent show them either
[17:22] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis: you can still have those days.  There's a drive mounter applet for the GNOME panel
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> I just tried it. :)
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> let me log out/in and see what happens
[17:22] <thopiekar> the awn applet? , Dr_Willis?
[17:23] <thopiekar> there are some...
[17:23] <DopeGhoti> I am just annoyed how when I mount an sshfs filesystem (with Places → Connect to Server), it doesn't show up in /mnt, /media, or indeed in $(mount) anywhere at all
[17:23] <Dr_Willis> NOW they show up.
[17:25] <scoop21> Hi guys here
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> hi
[17:27] <thopiekar> hi scoop21
[17:27] <wastrel> fyi url parsing in gnome-terminal is buggy
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> yep. i use weechat in gnome-termional/terminator and it can have issues
[17:33] <oldude67> god i hate remembering passwords...ugh
[17:33] <joaopinto> use a keeppass app :P
[17:34] <oldude67> saving them all to my flash drive from now on..:D
[17:34] <oldude67> well used the flash drive to do a fresh install of beta and everything seems to be ok so far.
[17:35] <joaopinto> I hope it's an encrypted flash
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> - /msg memoserv identify password1
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> :) no one will EVER guss that one
[17:36] <oldude67> lol
[17:39] <oldude67> only thing wrong with doing a fresh install is trying to remember all the personal settings to get it back to the way it was before
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> on the wifes vista box. i set her 'login icon' to have text on it saying  'your password is: .....'
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:41] <oldude67> ya well i dont even touch the wife's, until she breaks it then i have to fix it by guessing what she did to mess it up...lol
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> well bed time for this dr.
[17:42] <genii> Dr_Willis: I once belonged to an online community where they stored an MD5 hash of your login password within the comment section in the header of your avatar picture
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> saw a guy in here once (well in #ubuntu) all upset and paranoid that this messageboard he was on could tell his ip#...
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> he REALLY went berzerk when 20 people in the channel told him his ip/location/isp/shoe size..
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> THeres  security.. then thers good security.
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> at work we have to change ONE of our passwords every month...
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> but the password for the system that does the real work.. ive had the same for over 10 years now...
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:47] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis: that's not a terribly problem; it's when you need a 20 character password with at least three each of uppercase, lowercase, numerls, and punctuation.  That ha to change every month. That must be at least 70% different from any of your 20 most recent passwords.
[17:48] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis: when we had that scenario at $former_workplace, no one didn't write their passwords down. On a post-it. On their monitor.
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> DopeGhoti:  it IS a problem when 75% of your workforce is proberly 50+ and never use pcs :)
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> we have guys holding the mouse up to the pc monitor......
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> :P
[17:49] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis: Been there, done that.  "double-click on your 'my computer icon', please." *tink tink*
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> DopeGhoti:  we had tv's in the 'entrance ways' and the windows pc doing the news/stuff on them crashed so there was a big 'hit ok to continue' we had peopel touching the TV screen   trying to reset it. :)
[17:50] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis:  heh, nice :)
[17:51] <mezquitale> is it possible to downgrade your grub???
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> some of the programs we use at work would be good material for 'how to NOT program  interfaces' classes
[17:51] <DopeGhoti> Dr_Willis: I know what you mean :)
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> You could install grub1 mezquitale  but im not sure how well it would generate a proper menu.lst
[17:51] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: meaning from grub-pc back to legacy grub?
[17:53] <mezquitale> DopeGhoti, from the grub that karmic uses to the grub that jaunty uses,  it's mandatory for grub to be upgraded in ubuntustudio and the new grub can't boot up jaunty
[17:53] <scoop21> Does anybody knows the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/432838 -> laptop goes standby after gnome login on battery
[17:54] <mzz> scoop21: if I had to guess I'd say that's remaining battery time being misdetected and gnome's power manager being configured to do that when it's low on power
[17:54] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: hm, I can't think why grub-pc wouldn't be able to boot Jaunty.  That said, have you tried apt-get install grub ?
[17:55] <mezquitale> DopeGhoti, I have jaunty installed in 2 different partitions, I have a partition for "/boot" and "/" in another partition, the new grub is unable to boot from "/"
[17:55] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: what happens when it tried?
[17:56] <mezquitale> it gives me an error saying the kernel isn't mounted
[17:56] <mzz> scoop21: hmm, looks like you can't tell it to do nothing, but at least changing "when battery power is critically low" to something else in preferences -> power management would confirm that's what's triggering
[17:56] <mezquitale> DopeGhoti, is it possible to manually boot to sda3?
[17:56] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: See the Jaunty notes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[17:57] <mewshi> hello, gentlemen!  And ladies, if any be present.
[17:57] <mzz> mezquitale: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/445367
[17:58] <mezquitale> DopeGhoti, let me do that, I'll be back in a few, I didnt think it would be this painful to get back at jaunty, last time this happened ubuntustudio's CD helped me fix my grub without a problem, now this thing refuses to work
[17:58] <scoop21> mzz: no the problem is that the battery is full
[17:58] <mewshi> Hey
[17:58] <mezquitale> mzz, i filed a bug report as well but I dont know how to track the bug and if someone worked on it or not
[17:58] <mewshi> I need some help with my wireless under the beta
[17:59] <mzz> scoop21: you and I might know it's full, but gnome's power manager might not :)
[17:59] <mzz> mezquitale: can you mark mine as a duplicate of yours or vice versa as appropriate? I have to run now, I'll try to find yours when I get back
[17:59] <mewshi> I have a lenovo s10, and it can't use my wireless after the upgrade to 9.10 beta
[17:59] <scoop21> mzz: maybe? but in kde or if i install back all is allright
[18:00] <mzz> scoop21: ok. Still, I'd change the setting I just mentioned to check if it's gnome's power management doing this
[18:00] <mezquitale> mzz, if I could then I would mark mine as duplicate, yours has a better desscription of the problem
[18:00] <mezquitale> mewshi, install the new wireless manager, it works like a charm!
[18:01] <mzz> mezquitale: I worked around it by editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom as mentioned in my bug report, you might want to steal that approach (grub 2 can deal with a separate /boot just fine, it's just the generated grub.cfg that's buggy)
[18:01] <mewshi> what new wireless manager?
[18:01] <mewshi> And it's not even recognizing that there's a wireless card >.<
[18:02] <mewshi> when I click on the network thing in the netbook desktop thing, it says "wired connection" only, not "wireless connections" and "wired connection" :\
[18:02] <scoop21> mzz: i changed every thing but nothing better. the system goes down (standby), too  if i use ac an battery together and plugged out battery
[18:02] <mezquitale> mewshi, go into "add/remove"  and install network manager
[18:02] <vega-> what's new about network manager?
[18:02] <mzz> scoop21: so it's always going to standby, even with the pref for "when battery is critically low" on something that is not standby?
[18:03] <mezquitale> mewshi, if it helps any, I had the same problem and I solved it
[18:03] <mezquitale> mzz, your solution is a bit technical for me to even attempt but I will try
[18:03] <mzz> scoop21: check other prefs in that same preferences window too, see if any of them mention standby
[18:03] <mewshi> that solved it?  I don't need to install a new driver or anything?
[18:03] <mzz> mezquitale: oh, don't bother with the proper solution
[18:04] <mzz> mezquitale: just copy the malfunctioning entry from /boot/grub/grub.cfg to the bottom of /etc/grub.d/40_custom, edit the root device from (your-root-partition) to (hd0,1) (assuming sda1 is your /boot, adjust as necessary) and chop /boot off the paths
[18:04] <mezquitale> mewshi, i didnt have to install a driver, I also turned on my wireless manually but it was a pain, wrote a script but still wasnt satissfied, installed network-manager and never been happier
[18:04] <scoop21> mzz: i check this again
[18:04] <mewshi> ok o.o
[18:04] <mzz> mezquitale: oh, and remove the "search" line, since I don't know what it does
[18:05] <mewshi> can I just download it in windows then install it in ubuntu?  or does it have a ****-ton of dependencies?
[18:05] <mezquitale> mzz, sounds straight forward, I have to get used to the new grub's format
[18:05] <jiffe> wow, karmic is really buggy if disk mounting fails
[18:05] <mezquitale> mzz, so basically grub.cfg is being used instead of menu.lst?
[18:05] <scoop21> mzz: but if i start with only battery plugged and  after gnome login system goes down
[18:05] <jiffe> its almost like there's 2 consoles competing
[18:06] <mzz> mezquitale: I didn't even bother actually learning the grub format, once I realised it was ignoring the /boot partition the changes were straightforward. Only thing to remember is it now counts partitions starting at 1, not 0.
[18:06] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: short answer: yes. but you don't want to edit grub.cfg directly
[18:06] <mzz> mezquitale: so (hd0,1) is (usually) sda1 (it still counts drives starting at 0)
[18:06] <mzz> really gone now
[18:07] <mzz> and don't forget to run update-grub afterwards :)
[18:07] <mezquitale> mewshi, i would log in to ubuntu while using a wired connection and use "sudo apt-get install" , you can also turn on your wireless manually and then install the software
[18:07] <DaveMustaine> Hi guys. Can I ask for help?
[18:07] <DopeGhoti> !ask | DaveMustaine
[18:07] <DaveMustaine> :)
[18:07] <DopeGhoti> and also: hi! :)
[18:07] <mezquitale> DopeGhoti, so how am I supposed to fix my issues if FI can't edit "grub.cfg"???
[18:08] <DaveMustaine> I had issues trying to put my .iso ubuntu file
[18:08] <DaveMustaine> And running it on boot with my computer
[18:08] <DaveMustaine> Now I have the file
[18:08] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: you edit the files on /etc/grub.d, and then run update-grub to implement the changes
[18:08] <ActionParsnip> mezquitale: you CAN edit it, the changes will be lost if a new kernel comes down in updates though
[18:08] <DopeGhoti> mezquitale: any changes you make to grub.cfg will be klobbered next time a new .cfg is generated
[18:08] <DaveMustaine> This is the name of the file I have downloaded. ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386
[18:09] <ActionParsnip> DaveMustaine: did you md5 check the file?
[18:09] <joaopinto> DaveMustaine, and how is that related to karmic ?
[18:09] <DaveMustaine> Not really, dude.
[18:09] <DaveMustaine> It's not related, I think. Why?
[18:09] <mezquitale> ActionParsnip, thanks, all I want to do is to boot up to jaunty so I can get my bookmarks after than if it gets hosed then it's all good, no worries, just need to get to jaunty though
[18:09] <DaveMustaine> Oh.. Karmic Koala.. Didn't read it >_>
[18:09] <joaopinto> DaveMustaine, fo regular ubuntu support use #ubuntu
[18:09] <DaveMustaine> Sorry.. =/
[18:10] <DopeGhoti> DaveMustaine: no problem :)
[18:10] <DaveMustaine> Thanks for the help btw :D
[18:10] <joaopinto> mezquitale, grub scripts should detected and add an entry for jaunty
[18:10] <ActionParsnip> !md5 > DaveMustaine
[18:10] <joaopinto> mezquitale, sudo linux-boot-prober ; sudo update-grub
[18:11] <sci> why i can't resume using the "alt+shift+f12" shortcut for resume compositing mode?
[18:11] <sci> kubuntu 9.10 + update
[18:11] <sci> it's bug?
[18:14] <mezquitale> joaopinto, there is a bug in the new grub, sudo linux-boot-prober does not work and sudo update-grub does not reflect the fact that I boot up jaunty from "/boot" in a partition of its own
[18:14] <NinjaPlimsolls> ActionParsnip, you and I could be superheros lol
[18:15] <joaopinto> mezquitale, sudo os-prober
[18:15] <zer0x> I am unable to disable pulseaudio, /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop says it is configured for per user sessions, /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill has no effect, and kill -9 on the process results in pulseaudio restarting!
[18:15] <ActionParsnip> NinjaPlimsolls: fighting crime
[18:15] <zer0x> Anyone have any ideas??
[18:15] <Kraln> so, I went from 9.04 to 9.10 on ubuntu remix and it's a disaster. is there any way to regress to 9.04?
[18:16] <joaopinto> Kraln, no, only reinstalling
[18:16] <mezquitale> joaopinto, same result, jaunty gets detected in sda6, "/boot" is in sda2, I am unable to boot to jaunty
[18:16] <joaopinto> mezquitale, ok :\
[18:16] <Kraln> joaopinto: no starting in single user mode and running the installation scripts or anything?
[18:17] <NinjaPlimsolls> ActionParsnip, fighting the crime of proprietary software!
[18:18]  * ActionParsnip strokes his MS Office 2003 + nvidia driver + flash plugin
[18:18] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[18:18] <joaopinto> Kraln, let me repeat, No
[18:18] <NinjaPlimsolls> lol :P
[18:18] <Kraln> normally I'd go into a rant about shotty debian ripoff here, but it's my own fault for playing with fire
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> NinjaPlimsolls: I also have a mac OS theme too to be ironic
[18:19] <mezquitale> mzz, I think I found a solution, use a chainloader!  I set it up, pointed it to (hd0,1) and it kept booting windows for some reason, I know it works, let me point it to (hd0,2) and see what happens
[18:21] <DopeGhoti> Kraln: well, it is β.  And the topic clearly says that Karmic "may break" your system.
[18:21] <Kraln> hence no rant.
[18:22] <DopeGhoti> Kraln: that said, what's broken that we might be able to help you fix?
[18:22] <Kraln> ACPI with the GMA500 (poulsubo) non-free drivers.
[18:22] <Kraln> and hence, suspend/resume
[18:22] <Kraln> (and other things like screen brightness)
[18:24] <Kraln> I don't need to totally revert, I just need the jaunty kernel in the karmic userland (if possible)
[18:24] <ActionParsnip> Kraln: you could compile the older kernel in the karmic environment
[18:25] <Kraln> ActionParsnip: sounds good to me. do you have a link to what I'd need?
[18:25] <joaopinto> which could be a bad idea
[18:26] <mzz> mezquitale: that also works, although it turned out I didn't have grub (1) on that partition, just in the mbr. So I had to chroot into jaunty from karmic and install its grub
[18:27] <mezquitale> mzz, it didnt work for me :-(
[18:27] <DopeGhoti> !kernel | Kraln
[18:28] <mezquitale> mzz i'm going to try what you said and see if it works for me
[18:30] <Myxb> hi, how do i change font size/resolution for console terminal with grub2?
[18:30] <Kraln> DopeGhoti: particularly what I need to do is this: http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7781689
[18:30] <mzz> Myxb: GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub
[18:31] <Myxb> mzz: thanks
[18:31] <mzz> Myxb: (for resolution, that is. I don't think you can change font size independently of that)
[18:33] <Myxb> mzz: ah, this is not what i need. it changes the resolution of grub menu, but not the resolution of terminal. effectively, i need an equivalent of vga=0x0??? in grub legacy
[18:33] <mzz> Myxb: you can put that in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[18:33] <mzz> (at least I'd expect that to work)
[18:33] <DopeGhoti> Myxb: there is an extra command you can sneak into the grub.d files; hold on, I'll try to scare up the lin
[18:33] <Kraln> I bet the kernel build will take a lifetime on the stupid atom
[18:34] <der_schreiner> hehe
[18:34] <joaopinto> Kraln, and at the end it may fail to boot
[18:34] <der_schreiner> lol
[18:34] <Kraln> joaopinto: you're so negative. <3
[18:34] <DopeGhoti> Myxb: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7942683
[18:34] <Kraln> I only had a custom kernel fail to boot one time because I forgot to enable any filesystem support
[18:34] <joaopinto> Kraln, I am realistic
[18:34] <DopeGhoti> Kraln: fs support is kinda important, yeah
[18:35] <mzz> Kraln: I'm pretty good at forgetting to enable some component of console support, so it'll either panic due to lack of console device or boot successfully but without anything on the screen
[18:35] <Kraln> joaopinto: which is probably appropriate for the kinds of people you interact with here usually, but I am a special case ;)
[18:37] <Myxb> thanks everyone, now i'll try to apply the new settings :)
[18:38] <mezquitale> mzz, to delete jaunty entreis from grub.cfg, should I just set grub.cfg to be editable and copy the jaunty entries  to a file in "grub.d" directory?
[18:38] <DasEi> !bug > DasEi
[18:38] <mezquitale> mzz, or should I just copy and paste the jaunty entries to a file in "grub.d" directory and then update grub?
[18:39] <zer0x> Does anyone know how to kill pulseaudio? It just won't stay dead!
[18:40] <Amaranth> zer0x: If something tries to use pulseaudio it'll autostart
[18:40] <Amaranth> zer0x: the volume control applet uses pulseaudio...
[18:40] <Nattgew_> are they going to put gnome-shell 2.28 in Karmic?
[18:40] <zer0x> Amaranth: ah, and there is no way of preventing that autostart?
[18:40] <Amaranth> zer0x: So the answer is to make pulseaudio work with your situation, not disable it
[18:46] <mezquitale> mzz, still around?  I just sent a message to the developer on #grub about the bug, they discussed about it so hopefully theyll have a fix before karmic is released
[18:46] <zer0x> Amaranth: apparently there is pasuspender for alsa/oss only app, so I can at least play around, but yes I hope to get pulse working nicely :)
[18:47] <Twigathy> <3 chroot. Updating my borked install from another computer... >_<
[18:48] <luka> hello
[18:48] <luka> i have some problems with karmic
[18:48] <DopeGhoti> morning, luka
[18:49] <zer0x> Now if only I could get 8.660 fglrx to work with the 2.6.31-rt kernel ;(
[18:49] <luka> i cant translate it to spanish
[18:49] <luka> i see some menus and stuff in english
[18:49] <luka> hello DopeGhoti thanks for saluting hehe
[18:50] <luka> i dont know if its something about the packages or spanish language is not completly supported yet or what!
[18:51] <mzz> mezquitale: not just to a file, append them to /etc/grub/40_custom
[18:51] <mzz> mezquitale: the files in /etc/grub/ aren't concatenated, they're scripts that are run
[18:51] <mezquitale> mzz, yes, I reread your comment
[18:51] <mezquitale> mzz, do I have to run update-grub once I am done editing 40_custom?
[18:51] <mzz> mezquitale: you can add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="true" to /etc/default/grub/ if you want to get rid of the broken autogenerated entries (after copying them into 40_custom and fixing them up)
[18:52] <mzz> mezquitale: yes
[18:52] <mzz> mezquitale: I reported this as a karmic (ubuntu) bug since I suspected the scripts involved here are ubuntu's, not grub's, but I could be wrong, I don't think I checked
[18:53] <mezquitale> mzz,  thanks, Ill add the line to my grub config and then run update-grub, you can actually create a file of your own in "grub.d" directory, I attempted to create a chain to jaunty but it didn't work, hopefully this will work
[18:54] <mzz> mezquitale: sure you can, but it'll be executed, so unless you have it echo the correct grub stanzas out it won't work
[18:54] <mzz> mezquitale: (just check the generated /boot/grub/grub.cfg for sanity afterwards)
[18:54] <mezquitale> mzz, I'm pretty sure the bug is with grub, they were talking about maybe it belonged to os-prober but I think it's a bug that the grub developers can fix
[18:55] <mzz> mezquitale: correct, although if my analysis is correct it might be worth it to change the output from os-prober slightly to make both scripts simpler
[18:55] <mzz> I guess I should join #grub, but I'm at the channel limit again
[18:57] <mezquitale> mzz, that's something the developers in #grub can discuss, I think we both did our part by reporting the issue
[18:57] <Ian_Corne> mzz: make a new connection?
[18:57] <dusopn> Good afternoon everybody, my 9.10 don't want to start after updates, I can see just plain coloured screen on start and cursor. So I am cut off. anybody can refer me to solution? Thank you
[18:58] <Twigathy> Where are upstart jobs stored?
[18:58] <TheInfinity> dusopn: look @ xorg log for more information
[18:58] <mzz> anyone else seeing a delay of a couple of seconds with text output between usplash going away and X starting?
[18:59] <Sam_Lars> Twigathy: /etc/init
[19:00] <dusopn> also I am just slightly advanced linux users so please if this is not a common bug I will  rather wait for stable rel.
[19:00] <Twigathy> ahhh, ok
[19:00] <Twigathy> Sam_Lars: cheers!
[19:00] <mezquitale> mzz, how do you install jaunty's grub?  I initially had only windows and jaunty, then installed karmic, the fix that you told me is not working, I think I may have to install grub in "/boot"
[19:00] <mzz> mezquitale: how's it failing?
[19:01] <mzz> mezquitale: should actually be easier than the chainload approach, assuming the chainload needs you to chroot into jaunty and install its grub
[19:01] <mezquitale> i get the same error, something about it needs to load the kernel first, I already tried the chainload approach, didnt work for me either
[19:01] <mzz> mezquitale: (can you pastebin your grub.cfg and menu.lst from the other grub?)
[19:02] <mezquitale> yes, hold on
[19:03] <Twigathy> doh, the network scripts aren't like init.d's scripts, I can't just -x one to disable it c_c
[19:03] <Twigathy> er, upstart even
[19:04] <MTecknology> If I REALLY want to see the latest version of claws-mail in this release; what would I need to do?
[19:05] <mzz> MTecknology: invent time travel
[19:05] <MTecknology> mzz: there's a bug in it that affects usability
[19:05] <Amaranth> MTecknology: And we're 20 days from release
[19:05] <mzz> Twigathy: I do wonder how configuration for upstart scripts is supposed to work. Editing the scripts seems suboptimal, since they're mostly actual code, not configuration
[19:05] <DopeGhoti> MTecknology: did you file the bug?
[19:06] <Amaranth> MTecknology: If you were MOTU and did all the work yourself it would maybe be possible
[19:06] <MTecknology> DopeGhoti: no; I just started using Ubuntu again a week ago and I was trying to figure out what was causing it
[19:06] <Twigathy> mzz: indeed, it seems very opaque as a boot system
[19:06] <mzz> MTecknology: I'm no ubuntu dev, but I'd say file bug with clear description of how fatal the problem is, a patch that fixes it, and if at all possible a ppa or something with fixed builds in it (with the smallest possible changes to what's currently in karmic)
[19:07] <Twigathy> mzz: I'm sure it's wonderful, and parallelising the boot process is only a good thing (Except with the 'depends' are wrong and you get races)
[19:07] <Twigathy> right now I'm battling 'udevd-work: error changing netif name eth0 to eth3: Device or resource busy"
[19:08] <mzz> Twigathy: I'm hoping the whole numbered runlevel concept gets thrown out and we get some form of named runlevels that can be messed with without having to edit the upstart scripts directly
[19:08] <Twigathy> And I've no idea which script is responsible
[19:08] <mzz> Twigathy: yeah, that does sound like a race gone wrong
[19:08] <MTecknology> mzz: drop numbered runlevels like what gentoo does?
[19:08] <mzz> MTecknology: that's the distro I'm coming from, how'd you guess :)
[19:08] <mzz> MTecknology: not necessarily the same way they're doing them, obviously.
[19:09] <MTecknology> mzz: I don't like that method; I do like the parallel boot though
[19:09] <xguru> i'm getting an error that google gadgets can't open.  This is cause by it not being able to load the js-script-runtime module?  anyone know the fix?
[19:09] <DopeGhoti> I actually rather like Gentoo's runlevel model
[19:10] <joaopinto> doesn't upstart replaces runlevels with an event based system ?
[19:10] <mzz> joaopinto: yes, but currently runlevels are sort of reimplemented on top of that system.
[19:10] <mezquitale> mzz, grub.cfg ----> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m6570c759  menu.lst ------->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d6d24d8dc
[19:11] <mzz> joaopinto: if you look at something like /etc/init/anacron you'll find it's configured to "start on runlevel [2345]" and "stop on runlevel [!2345]"
[19:11] <mzz> joaopinto: so it's an event based system, but an important event that's currently used is "set runlevel to some number", causing a bunch of the scripts to start/stop.
[19:12] <MTecknology> openjdk-6-jre-headless seems to be broken
[19:12] <mzz> joaopinto: which is a little suboptimal, since it doesn't separate the configuration part of "what runlevel does this script run in" from the code in the script
[19:12] <DopeGhoti> mzz:  joaopinto: which makes sense at you have to have a transitional phase if we're migrating away from sysVinit
[19:12] <mezquitale> mzz, I tried the last two entries in my grub.cfg and I got the same error about a kernel needing to be loaded first
[19:13] <mzz> DopeGhoti: certainly. I'm just looking forward to sysvinit being ripped out more thoroughly :)
[19:13] <joaopinto> ok, looks sane
[19:14] <mzz> mezquitale: you need to chop off the "/boot" part of the paths (on the initrd and boot line), and you may have to comment out the "search" line if that does what I think it does
[19:15] <mzz> mezquitale: (remember grub doesn't know about what mount points your filesystems normally end up on. As far as it is concerned your boot partition is "/", and there's no /boot/ directory on your boot partition)
[19:15] <MTecknology> I'll file a bug
[19:15] <MTecknology> I'll look into tryin to make the update too...
[19:16] <Gumby> hi all.  Is there a gnome applet for Volume Control in 9.10?
[19:16] <mzz> Gumby: apparently!
[19:16] <Gumby> apparently?
[19:16] <mzz> Gumby: err, I lie, it's not an applet, it's a notification area thing
[19:17] <Gumby> I cant seem to find it at all.
[19:17] <mzz> Gumby: you're actually right, if there's a separate applet I don't have it.
[19:17] <mezquitale> mzz, thanks, im rebooting my machine and see what happens
[19:18] <mzz> Gumby: make sure you actually have a notification area, and make sure system -> preferences -> startup applications -> volume control is checked
[19:18] <mzz> Gumby: I'm assuming that corresponds to the gnome-volume-control-applet executable, which you might want to run directly if it's not running yet
[19:18] <MTecknology> mzz: oh - the issue is actually because of GTK+ 2.18
[19:19] <MTecknology> I'm filing the bug
[19:19] <jjardon> hello, I can't install epiphany-browser (karmic here)
[19:19] <jjardon> Is It a known bug?
[19:20] <mzz> jjardon: please be more specific
[19:21] <jjardon> mzz, http://pastebin.com/d3f86c350
[19:21] <jjardon> seems that It isn't in the repos
[19:22]  * Twigathy gives up on his silly system c_c
[19:23] <mzz> jjardon: looks like epiphany-gecko is there and may be what you're looking for
[19:23] <mzz> jjardon: also, LANG=EN is a weird value, try LANG=en_US
[19:23] <mzz> jjardon: (thanks for remembering to switch from your native lang at all :)
[19:23] <jjardon> mzz, ops sorry :)
[19:24] <jjardon> no  epiphany-gecko is umaintained, epiphany-webkit should be installed instead
[19:24] <mezquitale> mzz, i'm booting into jaunty, woohoohoooo, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:25] <mzz> jjardon: that's what I was thinking, but that one doesn't exist either :)
[19:25] <mezquitale> mzz, by the way, that line did what exactly what you thought it did, I commented it out and now I booted into jaunty
[19:25] <mzz> jjardon: lemme have a quick look to see where it went
[19:26] <jjardon> mzz, strange: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/2.28.0-4ubuntu1
[19:26] <MTecknology> If I have a new PPA build for claws-mail built tomorrow and I can prove it will affect anyone using this package; would it be able to make it's way into karmic?
[19:27] <mzz> jjardon: ah, it's actually in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue so if you just wait a bit it'll become available
[19:27] <mac_v> MTecknology: most probably not ;)
[19:28] <mzz> MTecknology: I'm still no dev, but I'd expect that to depend on the ratio between the severity of the problem and the invasiveness of the changes
[19:28] <mzz> MTecknology: if I were you I'd spin a build with just the changes needed to fix whatever the problem is (cherrypicked from upstream) instead of a whole new version
[19:28] <jjardon> aps, ok :). Thank you mzz
[19:29] <MTecknology> mac_v: even though it's a bug that will affect everyone that uses the package? The issue is because of GTK+ 2.18. :(
[19:30] <ubuntu2424> does anyone know how to fix the missing operating system error ?
[19:30] <ubuntu2424> i got it for the first time when installed 9.10
[19:30] <mac_v> MTecknology: do you have a bug filed for the issue already?
[19:30] <MTecknology> mac_v: just about to do that
[19:31] <Michalxo> hello! anybody knows hot to get rid of "assistive technology icon from tray?
[19:31] <mac_v> Michalxo: huh? i'v not seen the icon? screenshot pls
[19:32] <Michalxo> *universal access preferences
[19:33] <x-warrior> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 Beta, installed bootchart and now i noticed that the boot time is longer. So I was thinking, the boot time increased? Or now with upstart bootchart can get a better (more real) time?
[19:33] <mac_v> Michalxo: try unchecking the visual assistance from the startup list... but such an icon doesnt get displayed by default
[19:33] <mzz> x-warrior: pull out an oldfashioned stopwatch to make sure you're comparing apples to apples
[19:33] <mzz> x-warrior: I'm guessing the former, but I could be wrong
[19:35] <x-warrior> mzz, I don't have sure if I understand, are you saying to me to use a stop-script/start-script like in older versions?
[19:35] <Michalxo> mac_v, http://www.pixhost.org/show/349/792515_screenshot.png
[19:36] <mzz> x-warrior: no, I'm saying if you're concerned about bootchart starting or stopping at a different point just doublecheck using a watch or clock or whatever (measuring the time from leaving grub to the login screen for example)
[19:38] <x-warrior> mzz, Ok. But in older versions doing some improvements in system I get 20seconds boot (bootchart) and in the new beta version I got 1 minute, so if it didn't changed the start/stop this new one is slower.
[19:38] <x-warrior> I guess
[19:38] <mac_v> Michalxo: try disabling assistive technologies
[19:38] <mzz> x-warrior: I wouldn't be surprised (I haven't measured though)
[19:39] <Michalxo> mac_v, how? :-) there is only stupid clickable window.. containing not many preferences/settings
[19:40] <mzz> Michalxo: system -> preferences -> assistive technologies, is "enable assistive technologies" off?
[19:40] <Michalxo> woo got it!
[19:40] <mac_v> Michalxo: uncheck option "Enable assistive technloies"
[19:40] <Michalxo> I dont have it :-)
[19:40] <Michalxo> but I got it solved
[19:40] <mac_v> ;)
[19:40] <Michalxo> keyboard preferences -> accessibility -> uncheck first option
[19:41] <Michalxo> blah, stupid thing.. (for me)
[19:41] <mac_v> lol
[19:41] <x-warrior> mzz, i think this is : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bootchart/+bug/438015
[19:41] <x-warrior> mzz, thank you
[19:41] <[31d1]_> x-warrior: bootchart is kind of broken in karmic right now, yeah
[19:41] <Michalxo> and what is "not" broken in karmic? :_)
[19:41] <mac_v> x-warrior: bootchart now records the processes after login too
[19:41] <mzz> hrm?
[19:41] <blue0488> how can I fix the flash player?
[19:41] <[31d1]_> i think whatever it used to look for to tell it to stop is gone
[19:41] <mzz> x-warrior: that's a feature, imho.
[19:41] <Michalxo> everything was broken during alpha/beta stages :-D
[19:41] <mzz> yeah, what mac_v said.
[19:42] <mzz> blue0488: my usual answer here involves storming adobe headquarters and liberating the source code
[19:42] <[31d1]_> Michalxo: well, my karmic system boots in 6 seconds, and jaunty took like 12, so there is some improvement :)
[19:42] <x-warrior> thank you all ;D
[19:42] <Gumby> mzz: sorry for the slow response.  I have made sure that volume control is checked in the startup applications, I have a notification area, and I have also tried running gnome-volume-control-applet via command line but I get told it is already running.
[19:42] <mzz> Gumby: ok. If you run gnome-volume-control does it see your device?
[19:42] <thiebaude> !details | blue0488
[19:42] <Gumby> I then tried killing gnome-volume-control-applet and restarting manually and it tells me  "** (gnome-volume-control-applet:5233): WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting..."
[19:42] <RONSTA> hello folks
[19:43] <mzz> Gumby: I suspect it gets unhappy if pulse isn't running and won't start
[19:43] <Gumby> mzz: nope, doesnt seem to be able to connect.
[19:43] <mzz> Gumby: might want to start pulse explicitly and see how it fails.
[19:43] <RONSTA> my opinion pulseaudio is total garbage
[19:43] <Gumby> mzz: thx.  will look into it
[19:43] <Gumby> RONSTA: agreed.  But is it any better than anything else? hehe
[19:43] <Michalxo> [31d1]_, LOL :-D 6secs.. no way.. my as same as jaunty did :-)
[19:43] <Gumby> or any worse
[19:44] <RONSTA> my word GUMBY UR RIGHT
[19:44] <RONSTA> lol
[19:44] <blue0488> I am watching a show and I can't pause or stop or full screen the show
[19:44] <mzz> RONSTA: I wouldn't go that far. Many people don't need any of the features it offers though, and in that case it's unnecessary added complexity.
[19:44] <RONSTA> yes i remember i had to actually take it out for my rear speakers to work
[19:44] <RONSTA> makes the computer snappier too
[19:45] <mzz> RONSTA: (I'm currently using it to pipe the output from two systems to my headphones over the network, which it actually handles pretty nicely)
[19:45] <[31d1]_> Michalxo: well, i have a sweet SSD, and it's pretty noticeable difference there
[19:45] <RONSTA> i have a quick question guys whats up with the beta alternate cd's not wanting to install grub2 onto raid devices
[19:45] <RONSTA> oh yeah NICe
[19:45] <Gumby> so its a bit ridiculous to have a volume control that only works with pulse which then in turn breaks other things
[19:45] <Lysi> Hi, when opening firefox I get always a log out. No crash report after login again. Any ideas?
[19:45] <Gumby> but I guess this is why its beta ;)
[19:45] <Amaranth> pulseaudio is the only sane way to handle firewire and bluetooth audio
[19:45] <mzz> Lysi: anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[19:46] <Amaranth> Gumby: It's not a bug that the volume applet only works with pulseaudio, it's a feature
[19:46] <RONSTA> ive tried booting both live cd and liveusb with both the 32bit versions and the 64bit betas and it just wont go past boot
[19:46] <Amaranth> Lysi: Driver issues
[19:46] <RONSTA> boots the cd and all i get is a green screen
[19:46] <mezquitale> RONSTA, that sounds like a GRUB bug, you should file a report
[19:46] <Amaranth> Lysi: Try disabling compiz
[19:47] <RONSTA> i cant even boot a livecd neither
[19:47] <Lysi> (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[19:47] <mzz> Lysi: that's normal. Pastebin the file?
[19:47] <mzz> well, maybe not normal, but not your problem
[19:47] <Gumby> Amaranth: that might well be.  But in order to have pulseaudio it seems to break so many other things.  So why not have an alsa applet also
[19:47] <Gumby> mzz: pulseaudio working again and so is everything else. thanks for your help
[19:48] <Lysi> Amaranth: Everything was fine until half an hour ago
[19:48] <Amaranth> Lysi: intel or ati?
[19:48] <Lysi> Radeon driver for X300
[19:49] <Amaranth> Lysi: ubuntu-bug mesa
[19:49] <jbwiv_> guys, I'm installing Karmic via the alternate cd. I'm manually partitioning. What's the proper way to encrypt /home with the alternate cd? When I try to configure encrypted volumes I get "Unsafe SWAP detected" error message
[19:49] <RONSTA> anyone got a green screen when booting a livecd?
[19:49] <Amaranth> Lysi: Please make sure to mention it worked until recently
[19:49] <mzz> Gumby: I haven't looked into the details, but iirc pulseaudio has started adjusting hardware volume depending on what app(s) are playing. While annoying for those who really don't need pulse I can understand not wanting to maintain two mostly different volume control apps.
[19:49] <Lysi> Don't know if it's related but had apport crash file from seahorse agent
[19:49] <Lysi> Uploaded and confirmed a bug
[19:50] <mzz> jbwiv_: I don't remember exactly how I did it but the alternate cd managed to set up encrypted swap for me
[19:50] <Amaranth> Lysi: Please also test it with compiz disabled
[19:50] <jbwiv_> mzz: hmmm...ok....
[19:50] <Lysi> ok
[19:50] <mzz> jbwiv_: (my /home fs isn't encrypted, but my homedir is ecryptfs-encrypted)
[19:50] <Amaranth> Lysi: We're on the lookout for regressions caused by the mesa update, you might have one
[19:51] <mzz> can someone confirm installing seahorse-plugins to get a gpg agent is still sane, or am I supposed to use a different agent now?
[19:51] <jbwiv_> mzz: I'm trying now to just configure a swap paritition as an encrypted volume, but no love
[19:52] <Amaranth> mzz: sounds right, let me know if you make it work :)
[19:52] <mzz> Amaranth: "making it work" was just "sudo apt-get install seahorse-plugins and log out and back in"
[19:52] <Amaranth> mzz: hrm, not for me :/
[19:52] <mzz> Amaranth: but jaunty had seahorse-plugins installed out of the box (there's a bug open on the change)
[19:53] <mzz> Amaranth: if it's not working things to check include: is seahorse-agent running, is $GPG_AGENT_INFO set in whatever you want to find it, and does its value make sense
[19:54] <MTecknology> mac_v: bug 446582
[19:54] <Amaranth> mzz: maybe it works now, I haven't tried to debsign anything since yesterday
[19:55] <mzz> Amaranth: wild guess would be you using screen and not having GPG_AGENT_INFO set in it (keeping the session open across the logout/login)
[19:55] <Amaranth> mzz: Nope
[19:56] <mzz> aww.
[19:56] <commander_> did they fixed the sound bug?
[19:56] <Amaranth> commander_: WorksForMe(tm)
[19:56] <commander_> well i'll find out as soon as i upgrade
[19:57] <thiebaude> i dont have any problems with the sound
[19:57] <mzz> my karmic install makes sounds when I ask it to, if that's what you mean.
[19:57] <mzz> (I don't know what "the sound bug" is)
[19:57] <mzz> (too much sound?)
[19:58] <joaopinto> commander_, there was no generic sound problem afaik, so it's very unlikely that your problem was fixed
[19:58] <[31d1]_> the bug where your speakers make a 'pop' noise all the time?
[19:58] <mzz> it's looking pretty good, apart from a few new features I'm not sure I like yet.
[19:58] <joaopinto> commander_, btw, have you filed a bug report ?
[19:58] <thiebaude> when ever i log in the voulmn is at 50%
[19:58] <mzz> oh, is the separators in the presence/logout panel indicator being pseudorandom a known bug?
[19:58] <commander_> yep
[19:59] <mac_v> MTecknology: was this working correctly earlier? since when did this start happening
[19:59] <MTecknology> mac_v: I was using 9.04; then gentoo; then 9.10 - 9.10 is when I saw it
[19:59] <MTecknology> mac_v: it happens on a fresh profile too
[20:00] <mac_v> MTecknology: then you should tag it "regression-potential"
[20:00] <blue0488> I need help with the flash player I can watch shows but no pausing or doing full screen
[20:00] <MTecknology> mac_v: done
[20:01] <Amaranth> blue0488: bug 410407
[20:02] <Laney> I thought that was a bug in nspluginwrapper
[20:02] <JoshuaL> anyone else having bug 445747
[20:03] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, login sound or the login-ready sound?
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: Nope
[20:04] <JoshuaL> login-ready sound cwillu_at_work
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: It happens with 32-bit, 64-bit, nspluginwrapper or not, with a variety of WMs
[20:04] <mac_v> JoshuaL: i dont think the sound theme controls that
[20:04] <Amaranth> Laney: Oh, and it happens in epiphany, firefox, and chromium
[20:04] <Laney> alright I had only heard of it on amd64 before
[20:04] <JoshuaL> mac_v, it did in 9.04
[20:04] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, not familiar with the bug, but I could see that it's more of a design bug than an implementation bug
[20:04] <Laney> I just downloaded the .so from adobe
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> JoshuaL, i.e., why should the sound scheme of one user affect the entire machine?
[20:05] <mac_v> JoshuaL: things have changed a *lot* in sound
[20:05] <JoshuaL> and i cant find a option elsewhere to turn of the login-screen ready sound
[20:05] <mac_v> JoshuaL: thats another bug
[20:05] <mac_v> ;)
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> well, the real bug :p
[20:05] <jbwiv> has ext4 reached the level of stability that ext3 has?
[20:05] <Amaranth> Laney: It seems to not happen as often in firefox and epiphany and if you use metacity but other WMs and chromium trigger it easily
[20:05] <gnomefreak> jbwiv: its stable
[20:06] <MTecknology> jbwiv: I've had no issues with it since moving to it over a year ago
[20:06] <mzz> JoshuaL: me neither, but I haven't searched thoroughly yet
[20:06] <jbwiv> so is it recommended over ext3 now?
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, yes; the issues with dataloss where handled (and actually affected several other filesystems as well, just not ext3)
[20:06] <[31d1]_> JoshuaL: for some reason login sound is one of the Startup Applications. You can uncheck it
[20:06] <MTecknology> jbwiv: I even didi the upgrade to it remotely
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, yes
[20:06] <jbwiv> ok, thanks
[20:06] <gnomefreak> jbwiv: it is default and recommened
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> MTecknology, btrfs is the new hotness :p
[20:07] <JoshuaL> [31d1]_, i was talking about the login-screen ready, not the login sound itself :)
[20:07]  * mac_v waiting for btrfs too \o/
[20:07] <[31d1]_> yeah, the little drum-roll noise thing, right? that's what im talking about
[20:07] <mac_v> JoshuaL: let me get you the bug #
[20:07] <MTecknology> cwillu_at_work: ya, but butter is full of fat..
[20:07] <cwillu_at_work> MTecknology, it's blazingly fast
[20:07] <Amaranth> cwillu_at_work: also ext3 now has the same "problem"
[20:07] <JoshuaL> ok
[20:07] <cwillu_at_work> and built in raid!
[20:08] <cwillu_at_work> (btrfs, not ext3)
[20:08] <mac_v> JoshuaL: Bug #437429
[20:08] <DopeGhoti> 'invalid'‽
[20:08] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/432620
[20:09] <darthanubis> can we get more testers on this bug^^
[20:09] <darthanubis> please?
[20:09] <mac_v> DopeGhoti: check the bug ;)
[20:10] <JazzplayerL9> I keep having my sound card disappear from the volume controls in gnome...running a VIA pico ITX system.  Anyone know where to look in the logs for what happened?
[20:10] <JoshuaL> mac_v, that is about the login sound, not the login-screen ready
[20:10] <mac_v> hmm...
[20:11] <Sam_Lars> darthanubis: I've never had that happden... is it only for jfs or xfs?
[20:11] <JoshuaL> but i have to go now, thanks so far for the help
[20:11] <JoshuaL> ciao
[20:12] <darthanubis> Sam_Lars, it appears both jfs and XFS
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> does anyone hava a process named psp running at the moment?
[20:12] <darthanubis> welcome back
[20:12] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, yo
[20:12] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, no
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> a user on launchpad has asked a question stating that a process psp is chewing 100% cpu
[20:13] <darthanubis> ActionParsnip, no
[20:13] <michael_> hey, I'm on Jaunty and I want to try Karmic, I've updated my repositry with apt-get update, and the update manager GUI isn't telling me there's a new dist available, what must I be doing wrong?
[20:13] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, ask him what he installed :)
[20:13] <thiebaude> ActionParsnip, not me
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> update-manager -d michael_
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: just upgraded to karmic
[20:13] <michael_> I've done that and it's up to date
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> but if you don't know how to find this out, karmic might not be for you :p
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> ah
[20:13] <darthanubis> michael_, your not reading the Beta page of Ubuntu, and not following the directions there of course
[20:13] <joaopinto> michael_, you should not change your sources, just use update-manager -d
[20:14] <darthanubis> Ian_Corne, BINGO!
[20:14] <joaopinto> and please make sure you understand the BETA tag
[20:14] <IndyGunFreak> any ideas why Empathy has no sound?.. my sound works perfectly otherwise
[20:15] <michael_> I understand the BETA tag, and I attend Ubuntu launches (Manchester) and I'm a PHP developer, and darthanubis, I have read the Beta page of Ubuntu and I've followed the instructions
[20:15] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, that psp is not related to the upgrade
[20:15] <mac_v> michael_: updated the repo as in? added the karmic repo?
[20:15] <darthanubis> michael_, and...?
[20:15] <joaopinto> michael_, so you did run update-manger -d ?
[20:16]  * darthanubis wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,
[20:16] <michael_> mac_v is on to highlighting my brain cell count, wait for it *checks*
[20:17]  * darthanubis ...............
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: thats what i thought. ive asked him for a package list
[20:17] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, there is no psp binary provided by any package, per the command-not-found output
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: command not found doesnt suggest a package, but there are 17 similar (but it doesnt divulge them)
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> joaopinto: doesnt help its named the same as a handheld console either
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> :(
[20:22] <mzz> ActionParsnip: apt-file doesn't know about psp either, although apparently there's pspp
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> mzz: cheers dude :D thats awesome you did that
[20:24] <mzz> ?
[20:24] <IndyGunFreak> so i take it nobody is using empathy?
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> mzz: just saying thanks
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: I use carrier
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> Carrier?
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> never heard of it
[20:25] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: empathy sounds, havent been added
[20:25] <IndyGunFreak> mac_v, can you add them manually?
[20:25] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: Bug #437429
[20:26] <mac_v> oops! wrong links
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: its like pidgin but the devs listen to users
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[20:26] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: Bug #400485
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> link?
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: rather than removing functionality and you having to live with it
[20:26] <IndyGunFreak> i'm not sure why that would be a low priority.. if they want folks to switch to it
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/
[20:27] <mac_v> IndyGunFreak: low == A cosmetic/usability issue that does not limit the functionality of an application
[20:28] <MTecknology> komputes: excited for class?
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: they have icons for the chat protocol as well as resizable text input box
[20:28] <jbeitler> Has anyone gotten VMware 2.0 installed on 9.10?
[20:28] <MTecknology> komputes: sorry, wrong channel
[20:29] <mac_v> MTecknology: ubuntu-classroom has any thing going on? or was this something else :)
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: you can email the devs directly to request deature
[20:30] <joaopinto> IndyGunFreak, there are worse problems with empathy at this time, get into the queue :)
[20:30] <MTecknology> mac_v: packaging is coming up but it's still tbd
[20:35] <darthanubis> join #liferea
[20:37] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/379371
[20:37] <darthanubis> How can bugs get fixed if they are not even getting assigned?
[20:38] <joaopinto> darthanubis, feel free to help
[20:38] <joaopinto> !bugs
[20:38] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: a few ways but normally someone will assign themselves if they are going to fix it
[20:38] <darthanubis> joaopinto, what do you think I'm trying to do? Just pasting links for fun?
[20:38] <gnomefreak> liferea is in universe as i recall that means anyone can fix it
[20:39] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, "normally" is a strong word, sometimes is more apropriate :P
[20:39] <joaopinto> darthanubis, sorry, was looking for a link on how you could help with bugs
[20:39] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, anyone but that with the actual ability. People try to hard to be snarky. If I could fix it, it'd be fixed.
[20:39] <gnomefreak> joaopinto: i always do and its common practice
[20:39] <darthanubis> joaopinto, I don't need a link capt. I need help from those with the ability
[20:40] <joaopinto> gnomefreak, still, that is not "normal", because an high percentage of the bugs are kept unasiggned
[20:40] <joaopinto> darthanubis, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[20:40] <darthanubis> are you serious?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: than i would say if you cant fix it at least try to find out what is causing it. if you cant read crash reports than they will get fixed when the maintainer or someone else gets to it :) and im not being snarky
[20:40] <darthanubis> really?
[20:40] <joaopinto> darthanubis, there is lack of manpower, maybe you can read those instructions and figure how to help
[20:40] <Berzerker> how do I format something as NTFS? (the option is grayed out in gparted)
[20:41] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: join #ubuntu-bugs and ask someone to look at it
[20:41] <darthanubis> joaopinto, maybe you can stop assuming I have not?
[20:41] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I hit a wall, and now am trying to do the best I can at getting more eyes and hands on deck
[20:41] <arand> Berzerker: install eithr ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs, dunno which
[20:41] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I've done and am doing that, I'm not new to this.
[20:41] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, how hard is carrier to compile from source?
[20:42] <naxa> i've just installed karmic beta and for some mysterious reason all my previously installed, hand-picked ~100 gdm themes won't come up randomly as gdm but i get this ugly nice new login instead... well... is it possible that my hand-picked themes aren't deleted? if yes how can i restore  :) thanks
[20:42] <IndyGunFreak> ohnevermind, it has ubuntu packages
[20:42] <Berzerker> arand, already installed
[20:42] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: this is not the channel for that. giv eme a minute let me see if i can find out real fast what happened but i would start with using a new profile and does it happen on all feeds
[20:42] <IndyGunFreak> well, maybe not
[20:42] <Pici> naxa: The new gdm does not support the same types of themes.
[20:43] <gnomefreak> naxa: gdm was overhauled and gconf is kind of borken atm
[20:43] <mzz> naxa: they're still there, the new gdm just can't use them.
[20:43] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, it does not even start anymore...goes straight to segfault
[20:43] <mzz> naxa: (even if there was ui to change themes it wouldn't be the same kind of theme)
[20:43] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: bug link again please
[20:43] <naxa> Pici, oh i see. it's good to know they're ok.
[20:43] <Berzerker> arand, ah got it, ntfsprogs is it
[20:43] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liferea/+bug/379371
[20:43] <naxa> mzz, thanks
[20:43] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: thanks. try new profile
[20:43] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, u still here?.. i had to steap away for a sec
[20:44] <gnomefreak> i was hoping to start on OO.o but i will play with liferea in a fe wminutes
[20:44] <naxa> mzz, well, so, still, i would like to (automatically) recreate these themes, they look very nice. so is there a way? no problem if not perfect
[20:44] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, I've blown it away and reinstalled, new profile and all
[20:44] <mzz> naxa: I doubt it
[20:45] <naxa> mzz too bad too bad! so can you help me finding the new documentation for writing themes?
[20:45] <naxa> maybe i convert them manually
[20:45] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: jaunty or karmic?
[20:46] <darthanubis> Karmic of course
[20:46] <mzz> naxa: I doubt there is any yet, and I suspect the new ui isn't themable at the same level as the old one was
[20:46] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: of course would assume i know since your bug report was from jaunty.
[20:46] <naxa> mzz, oh too bad... will karmic work with the old one too?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: what version?
[20:47] <naxa> mzz, i mean can i revert to old gdm
[20:47] <darthanubis> oops sorry
[20:47] <naxa> i need those nice themes :)
[20:47] <mzz> naxa: afaik downgrading gdm would be painful at best
[20:47] <naxa> mzz, i see
[20:47]  * gnomefreak forgot to install it after moving profile over
[20:47] <darthanubis> I said of course because I'm in channel Karmic, sorry
[20:47] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, it appears version 1.6
[20:47] <gnomefreak> i was just getting the info from bug report
[20:47] <Lord-Readman> hello
[20:47] <darthanubis> Why 1.6 when the developmental verison is 1.7
[20:47] <Lord-Readman> if i upgrade from 9.04 to the beta
[20:48] <Lord-Readman> will the beta upgrade to the stable when its released?
[20:48] <naxa> maybe i should've read about this before :( the random very nice themes at startup was a point of using ubuntu for me, even if it's hard to beleive maybe :) it was a refreshing point of the day...
[20:48] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: can you run apt-cache policy liferea and just post the line marked installed
[20:48] <naxa> oh i should've read details of karmic better
[20:48] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: because it either didnt make the freeze
[20:48] <naxa> more carefully
[20:48] <naxa> well ok i'll see what can i doo
[20:48] <naxa> o
[20:48] <naxa> thanks, bye!
[20:49] <darthanubis> Installed: 1.6.0-1ubuntu2
[20:50] <Lord-Readman> if i upgrade from 9.04 to the beta, will the beta upgrade to the stable when its released?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: sup
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: pretty easy
[20:50] <joaopinto> Lord-Readman, yes
[20:50] <gnomefreak> darthanubis: ok lets stick to #ubuntu-bugs
[20:50] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, ok.. i' just started downloading it.. guess i'll see if i run into any probs
[20:50] <gnomefreak> Lord-Readman: yes
[20:50] <darthanubis> gnomefreak, no doubt
[20:50] <Lord-Readman> kk
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: theres a 32bit deb, but 64bit needs to compile. I emailed them to tell them to make one
[20:51] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, where's the 32bit deb?.. i'm using 32bit
[20:51] <IndyGunFreak> only .debs i found on their site, was funpidgin.. which didn't seem to be related to carrier, from the description
[20:52] <grturner> does anyone know what cifs return code -512 means?
[20:52] <jbwiv> //msg nickserv
[20:52] <jbwiv> d#! it
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: hmm seems hard to find: to compile run: sudo apt-get install pidgin-dev
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: that should satisfy build deps
[20:54] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, yeah, thats actually what i'm doing now.
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/funpidgin/funpidgin/funpidgin-2.4.1/funpidgin_2.4.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb?use_mirror=heanet
[20:55] <IndyGunFreak> it seemed to be pretty closely related to pidgin, so i figured i'd install all the dependencies for pidgin
[20:55] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[20:56] <Berzerker> they all stick on "connecting..."
[20:56] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, i downloaded that from their website.. but it doesn'jt look like thats the actual program(or is it...)
[20:56] <IndyGunFreak> why does it have two names, Funpidgin and CarrierIM?
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: i compiled due to 64bit-ness
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: so not sure
[20:57] <IndyGunFreak> ic
[20:57] <IndyGunFreak> i'll probbaly just do that to, once all the dependencies are downloaded
[20:59] <plazia> anyone had problems with their x-fi card not working? seems it's loaded the snd_ctxfi module but no sound. reloaded alsa and I hear the speakers click a little but still no sound.
[21:05] <IndyGunFreak> ActionParsnip, the source code i downloaded has no ./configure file
[21:05] <bais> hi koala's friends
[21:05] <bais> :)
[21:09] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[21:09] <Berzerker> anyone else having trouble downloading add-on's for firefox?
[21:09] <Berzerker> eh...sorry
[21:09] <bais> berserker, which version of firefox? and which add-ons ?
[21:10] <bais> I'm using ff 3.0 with addons and 3.5 (shiretoko) with addons
[21:10] <bais> firebug + page speed, no script, adblock, downthemall, showip
[21:10] <Berzerker> I have 3.5, and I think I found out the problem
[21:11] <Berzerker> no that's not it
[21:11] <blue0488> is there any fix to the flash player not seeing the mouse?
[21:12] <Berzerker> there's a ubuntu firefox modifications pack that I think is causing the problem
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> IndyGunFreak: you need to run autogen
[21:13] <plazia> anyone had problems with their x-fi card not working? seems it's loaded the snd_ctxfi module but no sound. reloaded alsa and I hear the speakers click a little but still no sound.
[21:18] <plazia> anyone had trouble mounting their NTFS partitions?
[21:19] <blue0488>  is there any fix to the flash player not seeing the mouse?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> !ntfs3g | plazia
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: compiz cam sometimes make flash clicks not work
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> s/cam/can
[21:22] <plazia> ActionParsnip, yeah the ntfs-3g is what ubuntu uses to mount the volumes/partitions... it worked in 9.04 transparently but now in nautilus when I go to click on mount media... I get a message saying no permission.
[21:23] <blue0488> that is the only way I can get full screen
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> plazia: i'd add an entry in /etc/fstab
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: metacity --replace    then try again
[21:23] <plazia> ActionParsnip, thanks matey
[21:24] <Zeikfried> Is anyone running Karmic on an Intel 950 GMA?
[21:24] <naxa> i have just updated to karmiz and i miss the "log out, switch user, change IM state, reboot or shutdown" drop-down menu applet from the top right corner of my desktop... what was it called and is it gone in karmic?
[21:24] <arand> I worry about Bug #445067
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> !anyone | Zeikfried
[21:24] <mzz> naxa: is now called "indicator applet session"
[21:25] <mzz> naxa: (it's a different applet with similar behavior)
[21:25] <Zeikfried> Does* anyone run Karmic with an Intel 950 GMA chipset? Lol.
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: ask your next question (the real one)
[21:25] <Zeikfried> =O
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Hey Parsnip.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Didnt notice that was you, haha.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Well...
[21:26] <mzz> Zeikfried: that's a common enough chipset that the release notes would mention it if it was completely impossible to install karmic on it.
[21:26] <jemark> Zeikfried, I have a Intel 965 GMA X3100
[21:26] <jemark> Zeikfried, with Karmic... and working very well.
[21:26] <Zeikfried> Well, i was running 9.04 and upped it to KDE4.3 last night and had an issue with my desktop completely dissapearing on me.
[21:26] <blue0488> ok metacity --replace worked thanks how do I undo it?
[21:27] <Zeikfried> I was curious if it was caused by not running 9.10.
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> blue0488: compiz --replace
[21:27] <naxa> mzz: thanKs
[21:27] <blue0488> ok cool thnx
[21:27] <naxa> Zeikfried, i have 845G
[21:27] <gh0st_> hello, i was reffered here due to karmic having ext4 by default so more people here might know whats up with my 9.04.
[21:28] <gh0st_> i really need help with my EXT4 drive. it keeps showing no free space :(   fsuck output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288809/
[21:28] <Zeikfried> Is anyone getting any slowdowns or issues with the Intel chipsets so far?
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: if you log in as a different user is it the same?
[21:29] <mzz> gh0st_: you're running fsck on /dev/sdb, not on a partition inside /dev/sdb
[21:29] <Zeikfried> Didnt make a new user profile in it.
[21:29] <naxa> my new karmic tends to clear the screen on bootup what previously wasn't cleared when the init writes things like "starting cupsd.... [ OK ]"... is it possible to turn off clearing the screen while booting?
[21:29] <mzz> gh0st_: are you sure that's what you, meant (is this some external drive without a partition table)?
[21:29] <Strogg__> google earth is slow on my eeepc with intel driver
[21:29] <Zeikfried> I downgraded back to 8.10
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> Zeikfried: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4  has a karmic repo too
[21:29] <Zeikfried> See that is what i was curious about.
[21:30] <bais> I'm on 9.04 and I'm working very well with a laptop
[21:30] <Zeikfried> Just didnt know how to put it, haha.
[21:30] <bais> I began with beta
[21:30] <gh0st_> mzz: this was a previous external that all 500gbs are on one partition (EXT4) ive since removed the drive from its case to install permenantly (Sata)
[21:30] <naxa> mzz, i miss the icon of the old applet. can you tell me how was it called and where can i find the datas of the applets? i would like to manually "reset" the icons of the indicator applet to resemble the old one
[21:30] <bais> and now I reach a good stability for working
[21:30] <naxa> mzz, or is it controlled by the iconpack
[21:30] <mzz> gh0st_: and you're sure there's actually no partition table? fdisk -l /dev/sdb gives garbage?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> bais: get the latest updates
[21:30] <naxa> (sorry for lame questions:))
[21:31] <mzz> naxa: the icon you're getting depends on your presence state. I have no idea where they live.
[21:31] <Berzerker> anyone experiencing slow karmic servers?
[21:31] <gh0st_> fdisk output:                    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288818/
[21:31] <naxa> mzz, ok, thanks. it's just previously there was the "green running to the exit this way man" as the icon
[21:31] <bais> I'm updated, but I will not pass to karmic atm, I must work with my linux :)
[21:31] <mzz> gh0st_: so try fsck on /dev/sdb2, and what's the actual problem again?
[21:32] <naxa> now it's the icon for logout
[21:32] <bais> I'm using karmic on a vbox
[21:32] <naxa> i want it to be the icon for indicator applet
[21:32] <mzz> naxa: no, it depends on your presence status
[21:32] <salty-horse> can anyone confirm/deny this? install python-qt4 and run this: 'python -c "from PyQt4 import QtGui"' -- got an error?
[21:32] <naxa> mzz,  i see, but I'll try and set it not to depend actually
[21:32] <mzz> naxa: try clicking it, then set status -> busy, and watch the icon change.
[21:32] <naxa> mzz, ok
[21:32] <gh0st_> wow, thats the first time it executed correctly, thanks mzz, will post results if theres still issues
[21:33] <naxa> mzz, however i would like it to appear as the running man all the time, just different colors :)
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> !slow | Berzerker
[21:33] <Berzerker> !mirrors
[21:34] <Zeikfried> My next question.
[21:34] <Zeikfried> I am experiencing the mouse cursor stuck in teh middle of fullscreen applications issue, how would i go about fixing this problem.
[21:35] <gh0st_> mzz:    results http://paste.ubuntu.com/288819/         tried mounting again, still no free space
[21:35] <Zeikfried> Mainly during OpenGL and SDL applications.
[21:35] <naxa> i don't know what it makes compiz to run but i have intel 845G and glxgears is OK compiz is not, why is that?
[21:35] <Berzerker> ActionParsnip, how do I physically change the mirrors to use the new ones?
[21:35] <mzz> gh0st_: define "no free space", especially keeping in mind some space is normally reserved for root
[21:35] <naxa> i know that's an awful card but still i can play tux racer and compiz not working i can't understand
[21:36] <mzz> "physically change the mirrors"? :)
[21:36]  * mzz imagines Berzerker breaking into a datacenter
[21:36] <gh0st_> mzz: im missing well over 50gigs of free space. it says the drive is full when its mounted. i cant even add a text file to the drive. however, i know its not full. i checked in gparted
[21:36] <Berzerker> mzz, you know what I mean
[21:36] <Zeikfried> I couldnt get Compiz to run either.
[21:36] <gh0st_> it is a storage drive. NOT a boot drive, or a drive for an OS
[21:36] <joaopinto> gh0st, can you pastebin the message error during mount ?
[21:36] <Zeikfried> Installed both Compiz ad the control panel for it and still no luck.
[21:36]  * mzz might not have been 100% serious
[21:37] <gh0st_> there are no errors mounting
[21:37] <mzz> gh0st_: ok, so what are the numbers that aren't matching up? What does "df -h /dev/sdb2" say (after mounting it, obviously)?
[21:38] <gh0st_>  df -h /dev/sdb2    output    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288821/
[21:39] <ederico> hello, I just upgraded to 9,10 from 9,04 and I'm having audio problems
[21:39] <mzz> gh0st_: if the "used" and "size" numbers are accurate "free" being 0 is just because that space is reserved for the root user
[21:39] <ederico> audio is not working in my browsers, Amarok works, VLC doesn't
[21:39] <Berzerker> mzz, so do you know?
[21:39] <mzz> gh0st_: you can change the amount of reserved space using tune2fs, but I recommend you don't because a very full fs tends to fragment more
[21:39] <mzz> Berzerker: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:40] <Berzerker> mzz, apt still uses the regular ubuntu servers when I do that
[21:40] <void^_> gh0st_: you do realize a disk advertised as 500gb has only around 465gb?
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am seeing the beam process taking a lot of CPU
[21:40] <AlanBell> it is owned by couchdb
[21:41] <AlanBell> beam is part of erlang I think
[21:41] <gh0st_> 13 Gigs reserved for root? im starting to get a little bit over my head. i just want to use my drive again xD i dont plan on writing anything else to it, i just need to edit a txt file on there, but it wont even let mew do that. what is tune2fs? also, is there a way to "defrag" this drive?
[21:41] <mzz> gh0st_: defragmenting wouldn't give you more space.
[21:41] <cj> what would I need to put in my /etc/apt/sources.list in order to pull karmic from http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/releases/karmic/ ?
[21:41] <AlanBell> if I do sudo /etc/init.d/couchdb stop it still carries on
[21:41] <AlanBell> any idea how to kill it?
[21:41] <cj> AlanBell: sudo pkill -9 couchdb ?
[21:41] <mzz> gh0st_: the amount of reserved space is a percentage of the size of the drive.
[21:41] <Berzerker> mzz, do you have to change every line to the mirror?
[21:42] <mzz> Berzerker: yes
[21:42] <AlanBell> it keeps changing pid
[21:42] <mzz> Berzerker: (you can use fewer lines than it has by default)
[21:42] <AlanBell> or respawning
[21:42] <mzz> AlanBell: respawning then.
[21:42] <mzz> AlanBell: which means you want to figure out what's respawning it and kill that
[21:42] <void^_> gh0st_: you should still be able to edit a file as root.
[21:43] <ederico> is there a way to revert to 9.04 from 9.10?
[21:43] <mzz> gh0st_: what void^_ says is correct, but this really looks like the drive's a bit on the full side, unless (again) the "used" number is not actually accurate.
[21:43] <mzz> ederico: I'm pretty sure that isn't supported
[21:43] <wastrel> gnome-termina
[21:43] <wastrel> l
[21:43] <gh0st_> i cant edit the text file that i need to regardless of sudo etc, and i am the owner of said file, it just keeps saying the drive is to full
[21:43] <plazia> hmmm alsamixer doesn't work but sudo alsamixer does. does that mean the sound device is only accessible to root and if so how do I make it accessible to users?
[21:43] <guntbert> !downgrade | ederico
[21:44] <ederico> thanks, tough luck
[21:44] <arand> gh0st_: why not delete/move something off the drive and try again?
[21:44] <ederico> I'm having trouble with audio, it works in Amarok but not in the browsers and VLC
[21:44] <mzz> plazia: being in the "audio" group might help
[21:44] <plazia> mzz ta mate. so just add my regular user to the audio group. you're a star
[21:44] <gh0st_> ill try copying a cople gbs off it, then deleting what i copied, but my tranfer rate is 1.7 mb/s for some reason :( and its SATA. so im pretty sure somethings up
[21:44] <gh0st_> couple*
[21:45] <mzz> plazia: (there may be a better fix, but I'd expect this to fix it)
[21:45] <gh0st_> make that 1.3mb/s
[21:45] <plazia> would have thought ubuntu would have put the normal user in that group.
[21:45] <plazia> but hey ho.
[21:45] <joaopinto> gh0st, 1.7 mb/s on SATA are you are concerned with disk space ?
[21:45] <mzz> gh0st_: might also want to run smartctl on the drive a bit and see if anything scary shows up.
[21:45] <mzz> gh0st_: and/or look at dmesg.
[21:46] <AlanBell> mzz: thanks, I used ps aux|grep couchdb to figure out all the processes owned by couchdb and killed them one by one. I think the heart process is the respawner, it keeps things going if they stall or stop.
[21:47] <paolob> Hi guys! due to some problem in upgrading, I had to manually remove/reinstall some package, and now I haven't the splash screen during boot. What package provides it?
[21:47] <AlanBell> I guess there is a bug there if /etc/init.d/couchdb stop doesn't actually stop it
[21:47] <arand> paolob: usplash I think...
[21:47] <arand> paolob: oh, ahgn on xsplash now
[21:48] <paolob> arand, xsplash?
[21:48] <arand> paolob: thought this was #ubuntu just then...
[21:48] <njbair> It seems that my Epson printer is no longer detected in Karmic. Is this a known issue?
[21:48] <arand> paolob: yup.
[21:48] <AlanBell> could someone with a handy karmic box try stopping couchdb and check with ps aux|grep couchdb to see if there are left over processes. If it isn't just me I will reproduce on a clean box and file a bug
[21:49] <gh0st_> wow. i cant copy anything over. the speed keeps dropping down to a crawl
[21:49] <gh0st_> like 20kb/s
[21:49] <mzz> gh0st_: recommend you stop copying and check dmesg
[21:50] <gh0st_> recent dmesg:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/288823/
[21:50] <arand> mzz: you think an additional forced fsck might do any good?
[21:51] <mzz> arand: I wouldn't expect that to affect slowness
[21:51] <mzz> gh0st_: anything interesting about sdb higher up in dmesg?
[21:51] <mzz> gh0st_: I'd also run smartctl -a /dev/sdb and look for anything scary
[21:52]  * mzz recently had a drive die without warning and is currently a bit paranoid about that kind of thing
[21:52] <gh0st_> sudo apt-get install smartmontools right?
[21:52] <mzz> yep
[21:54] <gh0st_> ffs. i cant install now. pc is going nuts. nothing is open for installing programs or updates or synaptic btw          error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288829/
[21:56] <bais> ghost
[21:56] <bais> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:56] <bais> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[21:56] <bais> probably you have some program opened that is blocking apt archives
[21:56] <mzz> gh0st_: badness might have happened to the partition or drive /var is on. Was earlier dmesg output actually from the *command* dmesg or did you copy out of /var/log/dmesg?
[21:56] <bais> you must to kill them
[21:57] <gh0st_> yes, thats the error to get the tools to see if theres another error xD i cant believe this, this was a fresh install 2 hours ago
[21:57] <gh0st_> the command dmesg
[21:57] <mzz> gh0st_: is /var on sdb?
[21:57] <gh0st_> i dont understand that
[21:58] <gh0st_> o
[21:58] <gh0st_> yes, sorry
[21:58] <gh0st_> the gears had to turn for a bit
[21:58] <mzz> gh0st_: you said something weird is going on with /dev/sdb1 (the drive you're trying to create a text file on, etc). Is that the same drive as the one /var is on?
[21:58] <mzz> gh0st_: ok, if that partition is full I'm not surprised apt fails
[22:00] <gh0st_> no, /var is on my actual drive "sda"   the storage drive with the issues is only for storage. it has music and movies. it is "sdb"
[22:01] <mzz> odd for the problem to be spreading, unless this is some regular apt client you overlooked, or the drives are on the same controller and somehow affecting each other
[22:01] <mzz> if they *are* on the same controller I'd check if sda is back to normal with the other drive unplugged
[22:02] <gh0st_> im going to try to copy over much smaller files and work my way up to bigger ones until i free at least 3 gb's so we can troubleshoot more accuratly. sound good?
[22:02] <cellofellow> when did Ubuntu become a DVD distro? All the Karmic images here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/ are DVD images.
[22:02] <mzz> well, I'd really want to run smartctl on the drive if it is misbehaving
[22:03] <cellofellow> oops, wrong mirror
[22:03] <gh0st_> thats the plan if i can free up space, maybe that lock will go away, then i can install/run the prog, but if not, i will have to restart and i will be back :)
[22:03] <mzz> gh0st_: the lock's not on sdb, iiuc.
[22:04] <arand> cellofellow: yea, you want releases.ubu...
[22:04] <gh0st_> so a restart or at least log on/off required
[22:06] <void^_> gh0st_: run lsof or fuser on the lockfile, if it doesn't show any processes just rm it
[22:06] <gh0st_> brb, relogging, computer is unusable
[22:07] <njbair> where should I go to get to the bottom of printer issues in karmic? My Epson printer is no longer detected.
[22:09] <ergo> hello
[22:09] <ergo> did anyone here had success using empathy and gg network ?
[22:10] <darkham> now network manager applet works with static connections...
[22:10] <darkham> nm wins!+
[22:10] <gh0st_> back
[22:12] <gh0st_> what was the smartctl command again? (tools are installed)
[22:13] <gh0st_> mzz?
[22:13] <mzz> gh0st_: smartctl -a /dev/sdb (might want to run it on sda too)
[22:14] <mzz> gh0st_: you can pastebin the output, there's an overall status near the top of it
[22:15] <gh0st_> command completed, and i have no idea what any of that means xD (ran on the problem drive)   http://paste.ubuntu.com/288842/
[22:17] <gh0st_> the only thing that jumps out at me is  Error: UNC 240 sectors at LBA = 0x0047f03f = 4714559
[22:19] <solarion> is xorg eating 100% cpu a known problem?
[22:20] <gh0st_> make any sence to you mzz?
[22:20] <arand> solarion: can have many odd causes
[22:21] <solarion> arand: it went away a day or two ago, then returned yesterday evening
[22:21]  * mzz frowns at Multi_Zone_Error_Rate
[22:21] <MrKeuner> hello, is there ubuntu supported java sdk
[22:21] <MrKeuner> for karmic
[22:22] <mzz> gh0st_: I'd "smartctl -t short /dev/sdb" it, wait 3 minutes, and run "smartctl -a /dev/sdb" again
[22:22] <wirechief_> MrKeuner: karmic is not supported, it has not been officially released.
[22:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: apt-get install default-jdk worked, so probably yes
[22:23] <gh0st_> running now
[22:23] <mzz> but what wirechief_ said, obviously
[22:23] <Berzerker> I'm having a problem, I can't download any firefox add-ons, just sticks at connecting.
[22:23] <MrKeuner> mzz, and which is the default jdk? iced tea sun or gjc
[22:23] <mzz> gh0st_: but again, I've recently had a drive die on me, so I'm inclined to jump at ghosts (no pun intended)
[22:24] <mzz> err, that wasn't actually english
[22:24] <gh0st_> xD
[22:24] <mzz> someone help me out here
[22:24] <mzz> MrKeuner: openjdk apparently
[22:24] <gh0st_> try re-installing firefox
[22:26] <mzz> MrKeuner: (you can figure this stuff out for yourself by using packages.ubuntu.com if you don't have karmic installed yet)
[22:26] <gh0st_> waited 3 minutes, executing sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb now
[22:26] <solarion> a-HA
[22:27] <mzz> ah, "jump at ghosts" actually *is* english?
[22:27] <MrKeuner> mzz, thanks
[22:27] <Berzerker> I'm having a problem, I can't download any firefox add-ons, just sticks at connecting.
[22:27] <Dai> so you said, less than 5 minutes ago.
[22:27] <gh0st_> newest result:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/288847/    thanks so much btw mzz
[22:28] <solarion> I'm hitting bug 439138
[22:28] <Dai> Berzerker: did you just update firefox?  restarting that could help.  you may also need to reinstall firefox completely, though i'm not sure, so don't quote me on that
[22:28] <mzz> gh0st_: Completed: read failure
[22:28] <mzz> gh0st_: that's not good :(
[22:29] <Dai> mzz: that and the big FAILING_NOW
[22:29] <gh0st_> dont tell me my drive is pooched i will litterally, not in haha lol computer terms CRY
[22:29] <solarion> unfortunately, the network suckage is unrelated
[22:29] <mzz> solarion: me too, occasionally
[22:29] <Dai> not a good thing to see
[22:29] <mzz> Dai: yeah, that's what made me have him run a selftest
[22:29] <mzz> gh0st_: strongly recommend you copy as much data as possible off that drive asap. You might have to use something like dd_rescue to do this
[22:29] <Dai> gh0st_: my recommendation is that if you can READ from it, get everything off of it as quickly as you can, because that drive is going to platter heaven
[22:30] <solarion> yes
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, yeah just restarted it, works now, thanks
[22:30] <gh0st_> :0
[22:30] <solarion> I seocond jumping ship
[22:30] <mzz> gh0st_: don't try anything else repairs-wise right now, just get everything you can off that drive
[22:30] <Dai> Berzerker: np
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, ahh, spoke too soon, xmarks isn't downloading
[22:30] <mzz> gh0st_: I'm actually currently using a drive that *was* failing similarly but "got better" after repeated runs of badblocks in destructive mode, but I would be *very* hesitant to trust such a drive with anything important.
[22:30] <Berzerker> Dai, netiher is stumbleupon...
[22:31] <gh0st_> excuse the profanity but FUCK! i have 500gb worth of stuff and only 200gb avail on this drive, brb im getting all important that i can NOW
[22:31] <kavurt> I say "sudo aptitude update" and get this: "Current status: 136 updates [+28], 619 new [-10]." What does "619 new" mean here?
[22:31] <braintorch> Hi. It seems, that 9.10 gnome-applets package does not contain mixer applet anymore. Does anybody know, is it just beta bug, or this applet was completely removed from karmic?
[22:31] <Berzerker> Dai, nope, still not working
[22:31] <Dai> hmm
[22:31] <mzz> gh0st_: might want to copy critical things off now, physically unplug the drive, get a replacement drive, and then copy the rest
[22:32] <solarion> of course, my jittery ssh session and and interrupted music stream don't keep the appleoids from spamming my syslog with invalid query packets
[22:32] <mzz> gh0st_: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html may be of interest if you decide to attempt "repairs" later
[22:34] <solarion> gh0st_: make sure you use "conv=noerror,sync" in your dd command and a block size of 512 (dd if=/dev/<disk> of=<output_file> bs=512 conv=sync,noerror)
[22:34] <solarion> that's the main thing
[22:34] <solarion> if you can, do that twice (two copies) and make one chattr +i (immutable)
[22:34] <mzz> braintorch: we had someone earlier with the same problem. There's a new applet (actually implemented as a notification area icon) that should be on by default and depends on pulse
[22:34] <Dai> solarion: if the drive's 500GB and he only has 200GB available, that's probably not going to work.
[22:35] <mzz> braintorch: so make sure pulse is running properly, and make sure the new applet (gnome-volume-control-applet) is running and you have a notification area for it.
[22:35] <solarion> then you can use e.g. fsck to clean up as much as you can, or something like foremost to find the various files floating around in the soup.
[22:35] <Dai> but normally i would agree
[22:35] <gh0st_> my other drive is filling up as we speak. every episode of mythbusters, every episode of House, Rescue me. im not even getting to the movies yet :(
[22:35] <mzz> solarion: I'd use dd_rescue
[22:35] <braintorch> mzz: yes, and this is a problem, if you want to remove pulseaudio
[22:35] <mzz> braintorch: correct.
[22:35] <solarion> Dai: available space is irrelevant; get a bigger drive now if you need it
[22:35] <solarion> mzz: I don't know of dd rescue
[22:35] <Berzerker-> Dai, still doesn't work....this is really pissing me off
[22:35] <gh0st_> transfer rate between 600 kb/s to 10 mb/s
[22:36] <mzz> braintorch: afaik there's no non-pulseaudio volume control thing available currently, although I suspect it wouldn't be impossible to port (forwardport?) it
[22:36] <Dai> Berzerker-: i dunno what to tell you
[22:36] <mzz> solarion: "apt-cache show ddrescue", it's very similar to dd but with a few tweaks that make it more convenient for this use case.
[22:37] <mzz> solarion: there's also http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html which has the same name but is a different program, and about as convenient for this as you can get
[22:37] <mzz> gh0st_: ^^^ that might be of use once you have a large enough drive available
[22:37] <braintorch> mzz: when I asked about it on #gnome channel somebody tells, that gnome 2.28.0 have a mixer applet, and ubuntu package maintainers just removed it from applets package
[22:38] <mzz> braintorch: I stand corrected. Someone should package that one then.
[22:39] <joaopinto> there is a gnome-volume-control-applet
[22:39] <joaopinto> which is the one used in karmic
[22:39] <gh0st_> thanks mzz, i saw that, im just in panic mode right now, im going to fill my root drive now with everything i can for important stuff, then unplug the drive for later, as i only have 10$ to my name :(
[22:39] <braintorch> orz That pushing users to PA doesn't make me happy
[22:40] <braintorch> joaopinto: yes, but you need pulseaudio to use it
[22:41] <joaopinto> braintorch, right, you are expected to be using it
[22:42] <test34> my logitech wireless headset stopped working with the latest update
[22:42] <skierpage> I used usb-creator in Kubuntu 9.04 to make a live USB of kubuntu-9.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso.  When I reboot with it, I get a syslinux "boot:" prompt.  Should this work?  Any troubleshooting pointers?
[22:43] <braintorch> joaopinto, mzz: thanks. Seems, I'll have to build sound applet manually. PA sounds like a crap on my system.
[22:43] <test34> In the System Log viewer, is it normal that the "boot" log is empty ?
[22:43] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi all
[22:43] <mzz> gh0st_: I can imagine. The drive in my mother's system died last week. I still have to rescue her data (backups are massively stale)
[22:45] <mzz> which is why I have those ddrescue links around, I was using them myself yesterday
[22:45] <gh0st_> damn, that sucks. this portable drive of mine get used exclusivley (used to be over a network) for my wife and i to watch movies, shows (no cable) , game together (WoW and Diablo 2) and share music. it was practically the heart of all our entertainment/ our network. this sucks huge.
[22:47] <mzz> gh0st_: it's possible only a few kb are actually unreadable, but you really do need a new drive to recover to. If possible you'd even (temporarily) need twice the size of the current drive, so you can run fsck on a copy.
[22:47] <Berzerker-> test
[22:48] <villewitt> I'm having trouble with my Nvidia Go 7300 (atm using 185.18.36) and would like to know what the differences between Nvidia 96, Nvidia 173 and Nvidia 185 are. Any pointer?
[22:48] <mzz> (one advantage of smaller partitions: you need less extra space for this kind of recovery work)
[22:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, get the recommended driver
[22:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt,  which is probably 185
[22:48] <villewitt> NinjaPlimsolls: I do have the recommended (according to "Hardware Drivers" that is...)
[22:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, so what problems are you having?
[22:49] <gh0st_> i planned on getting a TB drive, but not this soon, i was hoping it would hold out a little bit longer till we had the $$'s. fingers crossed that i can at least get the games and shows. i vow to never use ext4 ever again
[22:49] <Wolfcastle> hello
[22:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi Wolfcastle
[22:50] <mzz> gh0st_: this is a hardware problem, your filesystem is unrelated
[22:50] <villewitt> Only one monitor online at a time - even when I use TwinView and can see a ~x2 sized screen/desktop
[22:50] <Wolfcastle> So I'm having problems installing the broadcom sta driver
[22:50] <solarion> gh0st_: you should buy a Seagate drive, so that my friends keep their jobs. :)
[22:50] <Wolfcastle> I go to system->hardware controllers
[22:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, sorry, I have no experience of dual monitor setups :(
[22:51] <Wolfcastle> select the bcom driver
[22:51] <Wolfcastle> and when entering my password nothing happens
[22:51] <gh0st_> its caused me alot of headaches since ive tried it out, both os wise and using apache etc, everything else is just now caught up to ext4 yet.
[22:51] <villewitt> :p
[22:51] <gh0st_> as for seagate, id love to buy seagate, but there expensive!
[22:52] <solarion> there's maxtor
[22:52] <MCROnline_> villewitt are you using the nvidia X server settings?
[22:52] <solarion> (is just another Seagate brand)
[22:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, all I know is the mystical genies that connect drive my 7950GT are working! :P
[22:52] <NinjaPlimsolls> &*
[22:52] <solarion> (note that I've heard lots of complaints about certain Seagate drives; check the reviews)
[22:53] <solarion> I think the only one I've had fail to date is my old lpatop's 160gb drive
[22:54] <mzz> thing is that drives don't live forever, and even if you actually check their health regularly they don't always give you a convenient warning well before data is actually lost
[22:54] <mzz> and I don't think distros do that health check for you by default
[22:54] <villewitt> MCROnline: I have tried different things... One which fails is: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo X -configure && cp ./xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo reboot...
[22:54] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz, indeedy, SMART can only predict failures based on previous records
[22:55] <NinjaPlimsolls> it cant predict an impending head crash
[22:55] <villewitt> and sudo nvidia-xconfig && sudo nvidia-settings
[22:55] <mzz> yep, and there seem to be failure modes that aren't quite as catastrophic as a head crash but still can't really be predicted
[22:56] <MCROnline_> villewitt: I noticed a peculiarity on my twinview.  It would only work if i restarted X each time i changed settings
[22:56] <villewitt> Then I get a strange behaviour when I try to use nvidia-settings to set twinview
[22:56] <NinjaPlimsolls> mzz, SMART certainly didn't predict me hotplugging a SATA drive and causing the controller board to short out :P I guess the arc across the molex was an indication eh!? ;)
[22:56] <MCROnline_> villewitt: are you after clone screens or a desktop extension?
[22:57] <villewitt> Extension or 2 separate X servers... not clone
[22:58] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  Silly question, but you did have the screens plugged in 1st before doing it yes?
[22:58] <mzz> NinjaPlimsolls: I tested a failed drive from another family member a while back, and found out my system wouldn't power up even with just the power connector connected to that drive. I'm glad it didn't manage to destroy my psu or anything else.
[22:59]  * mzz assumes it was shorting the power connector and his psu coped by not starting
[22:59] <villewitt> I have actually tried to set up things with first booting with a single monitor (laptop). Then before using nvidia-settings' auto-detect, plug CRT (2. monitor) in
[22:59] <NinjaPlimsolls> probably an earth fault
[22:59] <villewitt> also, I have tried with monitors added from boot...
[23:00] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  No. you must have them plugged in first.  Nvidia binary blob is fussy for some reason (thats how i have to do it on my nvidia laptop to a crt screen and my home pc here with my 24" screen and my projector)
[23:00] <villewitt> hmm - my hardware could have gone bonsai... Will boot into 8.10, 9.04 and debian to see if they can still use two monitors...
[23:01] <MCROnline_> villewitt.: I hope not :)
[23:01] <villewitt> plugged in first... ...meaning before driver init?
[23:01] <NinjaPlimsolls> villewitt, your hardware has been miniaturised and planted in a shallow container? ;)
[23:01] <MCROnline_> villewitt: Before boot
[23:01] <villewitt> k
[23:01] <mzz> certainly an interesting choice of euphemism there
[23:02] <NinjaPlimsolls> my hardware is deciduous
[23:02] <villewitt> I'm coding an OS at the University... But I can't get my second monitor on... There is something rotten happening... damn binary blobs!
[23:03] <MCROnline_> villewitt: oh yes, the eye candy is nice and all, but do anything out of the ordinary and you are toast :)
[23:03] <MCROnline_> villewitt: oh yes.. turn of compiz
[23:03] <mzz> mmm, they're just annoying if you're like me and actually do use the source for debugging purposes occasionally
[23:04] <MCROnline_> villewitt: it acted up with me here with 2 screens (it was ok as clone) but the 2nd screen was zoomed in far too much
[23:04] <villewitt> But it is as if my secondary monitor is never turned on - when I pull VGA out, it says missing connection...
[23:05] <tininek> hi, how can I install grub-pc and autodetect all my operating systems, I have no idea how to do this, and i can not boot any partition now
[23:05] <tininek> is there any option to scan for partitions in grub/pc_
[23:05] <villewitt> MCROnline: Are you telling me that the driver will turn the CRT out completly off do to compiz being on?!?
[23:06] <shadowhywind> Hay all, Just a random question, When ever I move my mouse to a firefox window or even say synaptics text field, My mouse theme will change, any ideas?
[23:06] <MCROnline_> villewitt: no, if you have compiz effects on and two monitors i find if i do what you want (stretch to 2nd screen) it screws with the image
[23:06] <tininek> !grub-pc
[23:06] <TLF> hello
[23:06] <TLF> is audacious broken?
[23:06] <tininek> !grub
[23:06] <tininek> !grub2
[23:07] <MCROnline_> I thought Grub2 wouldnt be installed if you did an upgrade?
[23:07] <tininek> well, i messed up everything MCROnline_
[23:07] <villewitt> oh, fair enough... But first I need the monitor to react... Small details such as strecthed images is just luxury :p Anyway thx, will try one last time with clean configs...
[23:08] <tininek> i just need whatever to be able to boot, now im on a live karmic pendrive
[23:08] <TLF> noone using audacious here?
[23:08] <shadowhywind> TLF: whats your problem with audacious?
[23:08] <tininek> TLF, try decibel
[23:09] <Wolfcastle> is there another way of installing the broadcom driver...besides from using hardware drivers in the menu
[23:09] <TLF> shadowhywind: some (most) mp3 starting at the middle of the song
[23:09] <TLF> in karmic, i mean
[23:09] <TLF> no problem with xine,mplayer,vlc
[23:09] <TLF> etc
[23:10] <shadowhywind> TLF: just to be "correct" you mean audacious2? right?
[23:10] <tininek> can i restore grub from a usb live? it seems it does not know where to install, as the /boot folder may be on the ram, not on the disc
[23:10] <TLF> shadowhywind: that's the only audacious on karmic :)
[23:11] <shadowhywind> TLF: I just tried a handful of files, and didn't have any issues
[23:11] <xorAxAx> hi, how can i adjust the volume of the mic? i dont find the volume controls anymore
[23:12] <mzz> xorAxAx: try system -> preferences -> sound (input tab)
[23:12] <TLF> shadowhywind: weird, then
[23:13] <TLF> shadowhywind: maybe a plugin is having issues with mp3 playing?
[23:13] <TLF> no problem with this decibel player, also
[23:13] <xorAxAx> mzz: no, i dont want to record the mic
[23:13] <MCROnline_> shadowhywind: maybe you got crossfading set up and the slider is too far to the right :)
[23:13] <shadowhywind> TLF: maybe, that or have you tried a different sound plugin
[23:14] <MCROnline_> shadowhywind: sorry, meant for TLF
[23:14] <mzz> xorAxAx: then I don't understand your question
[23:14] <TLF> weird
[23:14] <xorAxAx> mzz: i want to adjust the mic mixer volume
[23:14] <TLF> I deleted the audacious config dir and now it's fine
[23:14] <TLF> lol
[23:14] <xorAxAx> playback volume
[23:14] <TLF> thanks all :)
[23:15] <mzz> xorAxAx: hmm, I'm not actually sure how you're supposed to do that in the pulseaudio world. I'd just use alsamixer from a terminal if I was in a hurry
[23:16] <xorAxAx> mzz: that just gives me the pulseaudio master
[23:16] <xorAxAx> hell, this is broken
[23:16] <xorAxAx> can i get the old mixer app?
[23:16] <xorAxAx> whats the name
[23:16] <mzz> um, sec
[23:17] <mzz> xorAxAx: no pulseaudio master if I run alsamixer here
[23:17] <atrus> xorAxAx: what do you mean the volume of the mic? Do you mean the microphone being replayed on the speakers, or the level at which it's captured?
[23:18] <mzz> xorAxAx: should be able to pass it commandline switches to bypass pulse if you're currently getting pulse, but I can't tell you what they are since I'm not getting pulse.
[23:18] <mzz> atrus: former
[23:18] <beck-and-call> Could use some help migrating an Intel xorg.conf to Catalyst.  Can someone give me a hand for a sec?
[23:18] <atrus> xorAxAx: alsamixer -c<card num, usually 0> bypasses pulseaudio there.
[23:18] <sako> hey guys, are there complaints in here for gtk buttons not  working?
[23:18] <mzz> that's what I was going to try, but just plain "alsamixer" also works here, so I can't check.
[23:19] <shadowhywind> does any one have any ideas, on why my mouse theme would change the moment the mouse enters a firefox window?
[23:19] <skierpage> Has anyone used usb-creator to make a Live USB of a Karmic .iso ?
[23:19] <mzz> sako: nope!
[23:19] <sako> I am having trouble with the "wizards".. I can't click on the Next button since Ubuntu 9.10
[23:19] <mzz> sako: err, actually wait. bug 443004?
[23:19] <TLF> goodbye
[23:19] <sako> I have to hit space bar or enter
[23:19] <sako> yea
[23:19] <xorAxAx> atrus: i want the graphical one
[23:19] <sako> shit
[23:19] <xorAxAx> atrus: whats the name?
[23:19] <mzz> sako: "fix committed" though!
[23:19] <sako> mzz, that's it...
[23:20] <sako> weird?
[23:20] <sako> I just got all the updates
[23:20] <sako> maybe I have to restart?
[23:20] <mzz> sako: "committed" doesn't necessarily mean "available in karmic" right now
[23:20] <mzz> sako: check the bug for details
[23:20] <sako> ah yes
[23:20]  * mzz has no clue about it, it was just in his /lastlog buttons
[23:20] <sako> how did you find it so quick mzz?
[23:20] <atrus> xorAxAx: i suspect it doesn't exist anymore. you could try installing gnome-alsamixer if you want a gui
[23:21] <mzz> sako: searched my irc backlog (over the last 24 hours) for "buttons"
[23:21] <xorAxAx> atrus: thanks
[23:21] <sako> mzz, sick
[23:21] <sako> mzz, what program you use for that?
[23:21] <xorAxAx> next problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[23:21] <mzz> sako: irssi (just type "/lastlog buttons")
[23:21] <sako> sounds like a fun script to write :)
[23:21] <sako> wow
[23:21] <sako> ok time to get back on irssi
[23:22] <sako> brb :)
[23:22] <MCROnline_> sako: I have had issues with eclipse for the last 2 days, but ubotto just explained why :)
[23:22] <sako> MCROnline, same deal? buttons?
[23:23] <villewitt> MCROnline: removed xorg.conf, created a new, default one... looks fine so far. Now in nivdia-settings should I go for twinview or separate x servers first? (Which is more robust/safe)
[23:23] <MCROnline_> sako: well it wont start unless i switch theme to human (it complains about gtk themes if started from command line).  But essentially, yes
[23:23] <mzz> sako: "/lastlog somenick 10" and having a really short attention span is how I keep track of multiple conversations on irc in parallel
[23:24] <MCROnline_> villewitt: go for sel
[23:24] <MCROnline_> oops. seperate x screen for 2 destops
[23:24] <MCROnline_> if it crashes it crashes, i have not found one more robust than the other
[23:26] <villewitt> k, thx... Will try without Xinerama first...
[23:26] <sako> mzz that is awesome
[23:26] <DopeGhoti> mzz: thanks for that from here, too
[23:27] <MCROnline_> villewitt: Xinerama gives all the compiz issues here with 2 screens
[23:27] <villewitt> I turend off compiz this time... Just to see if it makes any diff
[23:28] <villewitt> ~turned
[23:28] <MCROnline_> villewitt: good idea, just to be sure
[23:29] <villewitt> apply, same to X configuration (to merge or not to merge)
[23:29] <villewitt> save...
[23:29] <MCROnline_> villewitt: i always choose not to as i dont trust merges :)
[23:29] <villewitt> I did save&merge
[23:29] <villewitt> :p
[23:30] <MCROnline_> villewitt: lol nvm :)  did you get the two displays up?
[23:30] <villewitt> Nope - havent applied/saved yet...
[23:30] <MCROnline_> villewitt: i will keep my fingers crossed for you :)
[23:30] <villewitt> This might be the disturbing part... How do you then proceed with your "makeing-nvidia-save-it"
[23:31] <scyx> will the iconset still change till the release? some icons seem blurred. but tbh i don't like the whole blackness that's going on in the karmic theme >_>
[23:31] <Berzerker> best music player?
[23:31] <sako> i love th new icons ;)
[23:31] <MCROnline_> villewitt: you have to open nvidia-settings with gksudo or change the icon to have gksudo in the command section to ensure it gets root permissions
[23:31] <sako> minimal and cool
[23:32] <villewitt> Ville does sudo nvidia-settings
[23:33] <sako> how can I see what packages are installed in apt-get
[23:33] <xorAxAx> 00:21:47 < xorAxAx> next problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[23:33] <MCROnline_> villewitt save will work then
[23:33] <xorAxAx> does anyone have an idea?
[23:33] <xorAxAx> how to debug it, check gpp etc.
[23:34] <villewitt> "Preview" has Device0, Device1 and Card0...
[23:34] <villewitt> Cant be correct...
[23:34] <MCROnline_> villewitt:  one card, card0, two x sessions device0 device1
[23:35] <MCROnline_> villewitt: do you have an image?
[23:35] <villewitt> 'driver "nvidia" ' listed 3 times, one in each
[23:35] <villewitt> http://pastebin.com/d1d9e9f72
[23:36] <villewitt> This has not been commited to disc - it's just the merge preview
[23:36] <MCROnline_> villewitt: seems good to me.  Two screens two x servers correct?
[23:37] <villewitt> Without merge: http://pastebin.com/d477e6c1e
[23:37] <villewitt> ...better I guess
[23:37] <scyx> and i'm sorry but the new netbook launcher goes completely against any kind of usability guidelines.. separate favourites/directories panels, way too thin scrollbar and locking up the whole screen every time you launch an app doesn't seem very user-friendly to me =/
[23:38] <MCROnline_> villewitt: looks ok to me :)
[23:39] <villewitt> Having saved I'll try both... Cu in 2 minutes...
[23:39] <MCROnline_> villewitt: good luck!
[23:40] <villewitt> Hope I don't need "luck" :p
[23:40] <MCROnline_> villewitt: so do i
[23:54]  * mzz considers patching indicator-applet-session to hide his username, which doesn't change all that often and he can usually remember