/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/08/#ubuntu-mozillateam.txt

micahgI was shown dch -e00:00
micahgor dch -i00:00
asacfta: its alrewady abandoned ... so its fine to keep00:01
ftai moved it to abandoned, in case it's needed later. i preferred that over a simple delete00:02
asacits the right choice imo00:03
asacyou could have given it a more meaningful name, like "failed pack-0.92messOct09 ;)00:04
ftait's still possible, feel free to rename it00:11
ftaasac, grrr, they applied 6 patches to browser.js today, it's totally different now00:16
[reed]fta: I have another one waiting to land as soon as the tree reopens ;)00:17
ftapff, i'm loosing my time then00:17
micahgasac, fta, should I bother rebasing the patch or wait till tomorrow?00:19
[reed]fta: it's 1.9.2 beta freeze time00:21
[reed]mad rush to land patches00:21
asacripps: when is freeze?00:24
asac[reed]: ^^00:24
asacfriday?00:24
[reed]supposed to be last night, moved to tonight, now looking like tomorrow or something? see release-drivers@ mail ;)00:24
asacgood00:25
fta[reed], i was talking about trunk, hence 1.9.3, not 1.9.200:25
asacso lets not care about daily breakage till tomorrow ;)00:25
asacfta: most stuff probably gets landed on trunk and 1.9.2 in parallel ;)00:25
fta3.7 is in a bad shape right now, no more icons00:25
asacduring rush00:25
asacfta: we had a theme issue that removed the icons from searchplugins00:25
ftai have a lot of icon only bookmarks00:25
asacthat should be fixe though00:25
asaci never saw that "no icon thing" ... but read a few bug comment today that said its fixed00:26
asacbut i guess its a different thing00:26
ftaalso, 3.7 often gives me blank pages, i have to hit reload to get them00:26
asacwas 3.500:26
ftaright, 3.6 also lacks icons00:28
[reed]fta: yeah, I see that a lot00:28
[reed][18:26:29] <fta> also, 3.7 often gives me blank pages, i have to hit reload to get them00:28
[reed]images also have blank lines in them00:28
asacfta: that could be a theme thing. are you up-to-date?00:28
ftai need to restart my desktop, new kernel, and i had to kill gnome-settings-daemon00:29
fta  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND00:29
fta 2297 fta       20   0  452m 141m 4044 R   96  7.0  27:32.68 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon00:29
fta 8893 fta       20   0 1085m 542m  21m R   33 26.9 217:19.24 /usr/lib/firefox-3.7a1pre/firefox-3.700:29
fta2 pigs00:30
asacyes. firefox mem consumption is really bad00:31
asacthundebird is even worse00:31
asac(3.x)00:31
asacfta: you should run nspluginwrapper to see how much flash steals you00:31
asacbut even without flash ffox is pretty big still00:32
[reed]you should complain00:32
asaccomplain?00:33
asacabout mem consumption=00:33
[reed]sure!00:33
asacfrom what i know thats the most frequently raised rant about ffox00:33
asac"what a memroy hoax"00:33
asac;)00:33
[reed]well, taking so much memory and CPU shouldn't be happening00:34
asacpoint is i have no idea where the mem is lost00:34
asacyes, but its normal.00:34
asacif you read forums etc. they all complain about huge mem consumption00:34
asacfor ages00:34
[reed]  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND00:34
[reed] 4645 reed      20   0  690m 218m  39m S   33 11.1 103:33.56 firefox-bin00:34
asachow many tabs do you open at max?`00:35
[reed]currently, I only have 15 open, with one of those being a restore session window00:35
[reed]s/window/tab/00:36
asacok. so i think most users that have those mem problems often have 100 tabs open or more00:36
asaci think fta averages at ~70 ;)00:36
[reed]I think something has regressed00:36
asachmm. but your process looks quite healthy00:36
asacall i am saying is that i didnt see these memory issues in the past00:37
asacbut in the recent history i started to use my browser with more tabs ... just to see00:37
[reed]yeah00:37
asacand i got loads of mem00:37
ftai have 52 tabs now, but i have ~30 the last few weeks with 3.7 as it's unbearable with more. a few months ago, i was almost always over 10000:37
[reed]you _really_ should file bugs00:37
asacin any case. ffox is quite slink if you compare it to tbird 300:37
asacon amd6400:37
asaci had a 2gb system where i could run nothing else but tbird ... at least we have a a blocking bug on that atm ;)00:37
micahgI've got 302m in RES and 818m in VIRT for ff3.600:38
asaci filed tbird bugs and they are cared of00:38
asacno ffox bugs though because i dont see much of a regression00:38
asac(but i am using 3.5 here because of my job)00:38
micahga little better than 3.5 was00:38
[reed]kinda sucks about:memory doesnt work on Linux00:39
[reed]only on Mac and Windows00:39
[reed]:(00:39
ftaasac, micahg: i let you guys fix 3.7 once [reed] lands its evil patches00:39
micahgis that why it doesn't work00:39
asac[reed]: when will you land it?00:40
asacmicahg is probably awake a bit longer00:40
asacso can still rebase after that landing00:40
[reed]asac: tree is currently closed00:40
asacfta: good night00:40
[reed]can't land right now00:40
asac[reed]: ok ;)00:40
ftathanks00:40
ftau200:40
asacyeah i am about to drop out :/00:40
[reed]mozilla bug 52042200:41
ubottuMozilla bug 520422 in IPC "Enable about:memory on Linux" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52042200:41
micahg[reed]: any reason why linux@distro.bugs isn't subscribed?00:41
[reed]no reason00:41
micahgthat would be appropriate, right?00:42
[reed]if you want00:42
asaci think that should be ok00:42
micahgugh00:42
micahgwrong alias00:42
micahgok, done00:44
asacmicahg: i dont see you on CC00:45
asacor did you explicitly uncheck it?00:45
micahgasac, refresh00:45
asacmicahg: i see linux@ ... not you ... whats you email at bugzill?00:46
asacah i see ;)00:46
asacok00:46
asacquite long :)00:46
micahgyeah, I use aliases for filtering00:46
asacfor me nothing works00:47
asacso i now dump everything into two gmail accounts00:47
asac;)00:47
asacand only get assigned bugs to inbox and subscribed to some other folder i rarely read :/00:47
micahgit seems to work for me, but I'm sure you get more e-mail00:47
asacyeah. but i mailny do the gmail thing because i dont trust launchpad finding somethign if i hit search00:48
asacso i use tbird/gmail for searching for dupes etc00:48
asacbut in times like this its the bug folder i watch ;)00:48
asacbut i canot even keep up with incoming mails00:48
[reed]I tried using tbird 300:50
[reed]it couldn't handle my e-mail00:50
[reed]I gave up00:50
[reed]went back to sylpheed00:51
asachow many mails do you have in one folder?00:51
[reed]my inbox has close to 10000000:51
asacmy mozbug folder has "just" 100k00:51
asacand its a prob ;)00:51
asacyeah00:51
micahgmp lp inbox has 6k right now00:52
micahg*my00:52
asacit took like a day to index everything ;)00:52
asacmicahg: thats good ;) ... you actually read all that :)00:52
[reed]yeah, and then indexing never completed on one of my other folders00:52
micahgthat's the one I try to read00:52
[reed]lots of bugs00:52
micahgmy lp bulk is almost at 2k00:52
asacit completed ... but mem was exorbitant hi ;)00:52
micahgI have 400 unread in it00:52
asacmicahg: thats how it starts ;)00:53
micahgyes00:53
[reed]like "downloading 154 of 93 messages (140% done)"00:53
[reed](made up numbers, but you get the point)00:53
asachehe yeah.00:53
asaci think i even filed a bug about that > 100%00:53
asacwhen stuff comes faster in than indexing ;)00:53
micahgmaybe tb should move to an embedded mysql db?00:54
asaci havent figured what they do atm00:54
asacwanted to check if they loose all the mem in the indexer00:54
asacbut they do something like gload00:54
asacbut all i found was javascript00:54
asacwhich i hope is not all ... because i think doing everything there would probably cause the mem probs00:55
micahgwow flash is really bad in karmic00:55
asacbut maybe i am just old ;)00:55
asacmicahg: what?00:55
micahgmaybe 10.1 will be better00:55
asacnspluginwraper?00:55
micahgyeah00:55
micahgVIRT = 3050m00:55
asacfix it00:55
asac;)00:55
micahgAdobe needs to release 64 bit...00:56
asacare you subscribed to flashplugin-nonfree package=00:56
asaccurrently i follow that too, and its like:00:56
asaci managed to fix this by 64-bit plugin ... but well, then i get this and that and those issues00:56
micahgyes00:57
micahgoh00:58
micahgno, not yet00:58
asacmaybe i should start sending infos to the flash contacts i know :) .. .like status updates and making them aware etc.00:58
micahgI figured that one would be crazy00:58
micahgI'm subscribed to the 2 main bugs though00:58
asacdidnt think it would help ... but well ;)00:58
asacmicahg: its not worth subscribing00:58
asaci think i get it through the mozillabugs-list00:58
micahgwell, I have enough trouble triaging the 3 ff pkgs00:58
asacusually its a dead end sunk00:58
[reed]Mozilla has Adobe contacts for flash bugs if you need to talk to somebody00:58
asaconce you move bugs there they are gone forever ;)00:59
[reed]if you can find a reproducible testcase, file a bug on bmo00:59
[reed]with the detail00:59
[reed]s00:59
asac[reed]: i will check with what i have.00:59
asacin case that doesnt work i will try the moz road ;)01:00
asacbut its not really about bugs ... just keeping them up-to-date01:00
asacso they get the feeling they know what to test and what is important01:00
asac[reed]: anyway. back to tbird ... now that it works, it works quite ok. the UI is a bit inconsitence ... like you get this web-like search result page01:01
asacbut the old style treeview web folder view01:01
asacso for me (being a minority for sure) its quite good to search on my mailboxes ... which is why i have it01:02
asacok off. ttysoon01:04
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gnomefreakmy damn search still doesnt work in 3.511:11
gnomefreakasac: fta 3.5.4~hg20091005r26450+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  search engine doesnt work still11:15
asacgnomefreak: do you see the bug where search engine doesnt do anything?11:23
gnomefreakasac: i see a shit load of bugs on search engine but right now i have people yelling at me there is no GUI to change GDM theme and i know you can do this cant recall how :(11:24
gnomefreakasac: just for the record firefox spell checker doesnt work either. << interject from -desktop convo11:35
|eagles0513875|morning11:36
asacgnomefreak: there are two search engine bugs: a) no icons ... b) not working11:39
asaci hope b) is less frequent11:39
asaci think a) should be fixed in latest theme11:39
|eagles0513875|asac: what do i need to do to join the mozilla team?11:44
asaccontribute contribute contribute11:45
gnomefreakdo you have the link to b11:45
asacin general, we only add folks that need regular write access to the branches11:45
gnomefreaki just looked through my bugs but found nothing relevant11:45
asaceagles0513875: you can feel yourself as part of the team even if not launchpad wise in the team11:46
asacits a different thing11:46
asacyou basically are part of the team if you contribute in this channel11:46
|eagles0513875|gotcha11:46
|eagles0513875|whats the advantage of being on a team?11:46
[reed]by "contribute", asac means "contribute" large amounts of $$$ into his bank account11:47
[reed]:)11:47
|eagles0513875|hehe11:47
gnomefreak:)11:47
|eagles0513875|how you  doing gnomefreak11:47
gnomefreakmine too wouldnt hurt11:48
asaceagles0513875: you get more responsibility and more work ;)11:48
asacif you are a team member11:48
asacand you get a badge in launchpad ;)11:48
|eagles0513875|hehe well mine as well hehe im a broke bastard and student lol11:48
|eagles0513875|hehe11:48
gnomefreak|eagles0513875|: im ok and yourself11:48
|eagles0513875|in a lecture atm about databases talking about ERD11:48
|eagles0513875|entity relationship diagrams lol11:48
gnomefreakOK EVERYONE except reed please dont use non letters infront of your nick :(11:48
|eagles0513875|gnomefreak: sry im connected from home as well lol11:49
asacright. the benefit of mozillateam is that its far more important then the lectures ;)11:49
|eagles0513875|which i cant afford to be in then at the moment11:49
gnomefreak\its ok i was playing but i only nomrally see reed only11:49
|eagles0513875|well im to lazy to kick myself off irc remotly right now11:49
|eagles0513875|lol11:49
gnomefreakok damnit ill be right back while i think a bit on this search engine problem, i have a feeling this is upstream but i will disable ubufox when i get back just to make sure11:50
gnomefreakasac: can med-xpi make a patch for install.rdf (i know not now) but is it possible for it to?11:56
* gnomefreak thinks no11:56
|eagles0513875|im literally about to go nuts withboredom here11:57
|eagles0513875|cant even work on bindwood :( they blocked all downloads here11:57
* gnomefreak though bindwood was done. and i think i just found the problem 11:59
gnomefreakyep found it, now i need to know what is causing it11:59
gnomefreakasac: extension is the problem now to find out what one12:00
gnomefreakcontext menu if i had to guess12:01
gnomefreakthats the one12:01
gnomefreakits not broke but if you choose "light settings" it doesnt work. it even says some features will not work12:02
* gnomefreak be back12:12
gnomefreakasac: does debian/rules accept * as a wild card in the clean section?12:18
asacgnomefreak: not sure what you mean12:20
asacneed examp.12:20
gnomefreakasac:  i would have to look at the rules file but something like *FireGPGCall  to generalize the dirs. its in12:20
* gnomefreak thinking of getting this done before 10.04 so we can sync from sid12:21
gnomefreakdtchen: when you are around can you ping me about pulseaudio. it keeps muting after upgrades.12:22
gnomefreak!info firefox-3.5 jaunty12:32
|eagles0513875|bots broken :P12:33
ubottufirefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2 (jaunty), package size 907 kB, installed size 3524 kB12:33
gnomefreaknope :)12:33
gnomefreakthunderbird however is broke12:34
* asac upgrades last jaunty machine i found somewhere http://identi.ca/notice/1158905312:35
|eagles0513875|canadian website lol12:36
|eagles0513875|asac: didnt know you were from canada12:36
asacidentica12:37
asaccanadians are great ;)12:37
gnomefreak|eagles0513875|: hes not12:37
|eagles0513875|O_O12:38
|eagles0513875|they whats up with the canadian website12:38
gnomefreakdont know but it is busy at times12:39
|eagles0513875|hehe12:40
gnomefreakasac: bug 369693 im starting to think it only happens with ubuntu remix. In the past (not sure if still open) alot of remix bugs that non-remix users dont see12:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 369693 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox problems in Ubuntu 9.04 UNR" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36969312:41
asacthe title reads "UNR" ;)12:41
gnomefreakim thinking either upstream doesnt support something or we dont12:41
gnomefreakasac: but a firefox bug12:41
gnomefreakthat is where we come in12:41
asaci made a more specific bug out of it12:42
asacits a msising gnome-support in the seed from what i can tell12:42
asacplease ask if installing firefox-gnome-support and restarting system helps12:42
asacafaik it should be fixed already12:42
gnomefreakasked. should we do this with all UNR firefox/tbird bugs?12:43
asacno12:47
asacunless they are -gnome-support related12:47
asacas i said i think its fixed alreawdy12:48
asacso every bug should be a valid bug if its UNR12:48
asacidentica is down12:48
asacthat sucks12:48
gnomefreakk12:48
gnomefreakLp giving me issues ;)12:48
gnomefreakmy script still has ~2hours to go12:49
gnomefreakjust that one bug seems to be giving me issues12:52
gnomefreakasac: how important are exit code status' on the xulrunner failure to install/upgrade?13:06
asacgnomefreak: failure to install/upgrades should not happen13:08
asacwe should fix it13:08
asacand exit codes might be involved. yes.13:08
gnomefreaki have a 127 a 135 and looking at others13:09
gnomefreakone atleast is alternatives but IIRC we fixed that since july13:09
asacare all those related to "alternatives" ß13:09
asac?13:09
gnomefreakat least that one anyway13:09
asacsearch for "alternat"13:09
asacin the logs13:10
gnomefreaknot sure yet13:10
asaclook for that13:10
asacthats a known dupe and i thought we fixed that already13:10
asachave to check that again if its still broken13:10
gnomefreakasac: looks like bug 390664 is related13:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 390664 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39066413:11
asacyes thats it13:11
gnomefreakthese are old13:11
asacupdate-alternatives: Fehler oder EOF beim Lesen von /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner13:11
asacthats it13:11
asacso yes. but that should be fixed13:11
gnomefreakthe one i have that im looking for dupes is new bug 44109813:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 441098 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 135" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44109813:11
asacgnomefreak: that one is a crash13:12
asacSetting up xulrunner-1.9.1 (1.9.1.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2) ...13:12
asacBus error13:12
gnomefreaki just saw that13:13
asacBus error is really rare on i386 and amd64 systems13:13
asacmore like sparc and arm that have alignment13:13
asacgnomefreak: its most likely a hardware error13:13
asaclike mem etc. if you get a bus error on intel CPUs13:13
asac(exceptions proof the rule obviously)13:13
asacso this guy might get over by triying again13:14
asacto upgrade13:14
asacif its a mem broken he is doomed anyway ;)13:14
ftaasac, Mark wants me to split the umd ppa per package13:22
ftahe said "The Mozilla Daily PPA is *awesome* :-)"13:22
asacyep13:24
ftaapparently, he wants tb3 alone13:24
gnomefreaktb3 is broken :(13:25
|eagles0513875|:(13:26
asactb3 works for me13:26
asactoo much mem13:26
asacbut thats it basically13:27
gnomefreaka tbird only PPA is kind of wasteful IMHO13:27
ftanoone complained to me about broken tb313:27
gnomefreakasac: too much mem and edit >select > all doesnt work13:27
gnomefreakfta: i did a couple of days but you were not here at the time13:28
asacgnomefreak: file a bug upstream if its reproducible for anyone else13:28
asaci dont write mails with it ... just read13:28
ftaas for memory, it's somewhat the same xul-is-a-pig effect as with firefox13:28
asacno13:28
asacits worse13:28
asactbird indexer is a huge memory eater13:28
asacright after firing up it indexes stuff etc. and then consumes 1g of res mem13:29
gnomefreakasac: i use that menu for deleting emails. with 800+ emails it comes in handy13:29
asacfirefox doesnt get anywhere close even after using it for a few days13:29
gnomefreaki agree with asac its tbird releated mem problems. no other app does this for me at least13:29
gnomefreaki dont have 1 gig of mem but same applies13:30
asacfta: i think we should discuss the whole layoutfor all webtech ppas in the next week and also fix the daily split in that turn13:30
asacgnomefreak: we have a upstream blocker bug on the mem13:30
asaci am supposed to follow up but failed as usual :/13:30
gnomefreakasac: do you have link so i can subscribe?13:31
asacask me tonight again13:31
asaci am finishing something and then travelling13:31
gnomefreakok13:31
gnomefreakasac: i know you are traveling but try to get sunbird into karmic before freeze since it doesnt qulify for security release only arm fixes im not sure if they would or not13:36
gnomefreakthis damn download is taking forever13:38
asacgnomefreak: i saw that you didnt start on top of current one in sunbird13:40
asacthats kind of a merge mess i have to admit13:40
bdrunggnomefreak: why did you mark bug 436600 as invalid?13:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 436600 in adblock-plus "adblock plus does no longer work in firefox 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43660013:40
gnomefreakasac: huh? i started on ubuntu213:40
gnomefreakbdrung: its not firefox its adblock-plus13:41
bdrungok, didn't saw that13:41
gnomefreakmore than likely its another extension helping in the failure13:41
asacno13:42
asacyou didnt start on ubuntu213:42
asacyou started on ubuntu2 UNRELEASED13:42
asacand made ubuntu3 out of it13:42
gnomefreakasac: ubuntu2 was released already13:43
asacyes. but your branch doesnt start on top of that13:43
gnomefreaksomeone didnt change to jaunty when they pushed13:43
asacthe release is rev 12413:43
gnomefreak* fix LP: #210534 - bad swedish translation in sunbird.desktop; we13:44
gnomefreak    apply improved translation by Daniel Nylander13:44
gnomefreak    - update debian/sunbird.desktop13:44
gnomefreakshould have been the latest before ubuntu313:44
|eagles0513875|ill b back on from home13:45
gnomefreaksearch doesnt work again :(13:45
asacgnomefreak: thats what i fixed now http://paste.ubuntu.com/288588/13:46
asacgnomefreak: no that was not th elatest13:46
asac124 was the latest13:46
* gnomefreak looking13:46
asacanyway. i think thats fine how13:46
asacnow13:46
asacyou also had a typo in changelog and and empty * line13:47
gnomefreakoh crap i see now13:47
asacok i pushing the merge now13:47
asacplease check on the main branch13:47
gnomefreakforgot to remove the * line when i used dch13:47
asacgnomefreak: that and the debianpathces: series updatd13:48
asacanyway i hope all is fixed13:48
asacplesae verify on release branch13:48
gnomefreakasac: ok doing13:48
asacgnomefreak: you used CXX=g++-4.4 now13:52
asacwe should just drop it13:52
asace.g. we are back to "normal" version13:52
asacso no need to set CXX and CC13:52
asacanyway. thats _fater_ this upload13:52
asacalso i think we should break the build-depends in multiple lines13:52
asacalso for lucis13:52
asaclucid13:52
gnomefreakasac: ok simple enough. i would love to get 1.0 in Lucid but that is unllikely from what i can tell at this time anyway13:53
asacyeah13:53
asacfirst fine tune packaging a bit13:53
asacthe points i mentioned are good13:54
asacthen we can check whats up with 1.013:54
gnomefreakmissed * Fixes (LP: #178785) as first line13:54
asacno13:54
asacgnomefreak: that was already fixed in last upload13:54
asacsee the changelog entry before13:54
asacthats what i meant13:54
gnomefreakasac: not fully it wasnt13:54
asacwell. it was13:54
asaci can see that the rest might also be there13:54
gnomefreaki had to adjust rules a bit to fix it13:54
asacbut that wasnt clear to me13:54
asacok13:54
asaci thihnk we will survive with out it?13:55
asacor want me to add it?13:55
asacwas the bug reopened?13:55
gnomefreakeverything looks good i will close that bug by hand13:55
asacok let me coomit that right changelog entry13:55
gnomefreakk13:56
gnomefreak~40 more minutes for download. i want to do updates :(13:56
asacgnomefreak: ok. recommitted it with proper credits and all13:57
asaci am firing off a testbuild now and will upload when that finishes13:58
asacgnomefreak: mark the 9.10 branch merged now ;)13:58
gnomefreakasac: will do. it would be great if there was a bzr update lp...... to update a branch to latest rev if not your branch13:59
gnomefreaki when i get back from smoke and phone14:00
gnomefreakopps wrong button. fixed now14:08
ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/firefox-trunk-rss-mem.png14:16
asacfta: yeah. is that 32-bit?14:16
ftayes14:16
asacthats bad then ;)14:16
asacbut depends on the tab count of course ;)14:17
ftathe box was idle14:17
asacfta: so according to [reed] we should file these bugs14:17
ftafreshly rebooted14:17
asaci always thought they knew they were considered mem hungry14:17
asacbut seems they dont even recognize it (dont ask me how that can happen)14:17
asacfta: ok but thats with flash in-process?14:18
asacwould be interesting to see how that changes if you use nspluginwrapper14:18
asaci would expect half the mem go out to the flash process14:18
ftathe tabs were from my session but didn't change during the period14:18
ftayes, regular flash install, not nsp14:18
asacyeh. for a upstreawm bug i think it would make sense to split that and do the same testing14:19
gnomefreakubuntu is telling me my printer is out of paper but my printer does not agree14:20
ftaasac, this i don't understand: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/firefox-trunk-cpu-mem.png14:23
ftaasac, cpu seems to cool off while idle14:23
fta  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND14:29
fta14382 fta       20   0 2398m 1.2g 4452 R   99 60.4   1:30.74 evolution14:29
ftai just tried to open an attachment :(14:29
asacgnomefreak: uploaded sunbird14:30
asacfta: good. so evolution is not better ;)14:31
asac(than tbird)14:31
asacgnomefreak: in case it fails to build or something let me know. please try to watch sunbird bugs for the next few days so we can still do something in case hell breaks loose now14:34
asacthx14:34
gnomefreakasac: ok will check. on 386 64 and what ever else PPA builds they all built14:42
gnomefreakeveolution sucks tbird much better ;)14:42
gnomefreakomg cpu at %9914:45
ftaevo is usually pretty good for me15:14
ftafta      16760  2.3  5.0 264912 104180 ?       Sl   15:33   0:56 evolution --component=mail15:14
ftaexcept when it turns crazy15:15
ftaasac, was the 3.7 patch rebased since yesterday?15:46
ftaasac, 14min before the next respin15:46
asacfta: check if micahg submitted a branch for merging16:14
asacprobably he waited for reed to confirm his commit16:15
asaci think we agreed to not fix it before reed committed it16:15
asacthen we re in freeze and things should stop to come in16:15
asacwhen we are in RC freeze i will pursue the upstreaming again16:15
ftaasac, rc freeze for 3.6, i'm talking about 3.716:22
asacfta: yes. but that rc freeze led to the frequent landings16:22
asacbecause folks have to put their rush first in central16:22
asacand reed couldnt committ there because it was closed16:23
ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Chromium-peacekeeper.png16:31
asacinteresting16:32
ftaff scores ~1300 :(16:33
asacthere is more than speed ;)16:35
ftamemory? lol, ff is bad16:40
ftacpu, lol too, 30%, it's even worse16:40
asacplease do the nspluginwrapper split ;)16:41
asacto get any valid data16:41
asacfor me flash really spikes the CPU frequently16:42
asacffox stays ok16:42
asacit has some hangs ... for some operations but besides from that its not really CPU hungry16:42
ftahttp://www.google.org/flutrends/16:53
ftaasac, bad for uds: http://www.google.org/flutrends/us/16:56
ftaMook_sb, stevel: still no news for the fix?16:57
Mook_sbfta: sorry, been busy for a bit - is there a bug number on this?16:58
ftaMook_sb, i didn't file any, stevel said he needed to talk to someone about this, last week16:59
stevelah yeah, preed. but he's still pretty swamped with kanye work.16:59
stevelfta: do you have the pastebin URL still?16:59
stevelor wherever the build failure was pasted?16:59
Mook_sbstevel: https://launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa/+build/902277/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.songbird_1.1.1-0ubuntu1~fta2~intrepid_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?17:00
ftano17:00
Mook_sberr, wait, wrong branch17:00
ftahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/33252980/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.songbird_1.5.0~a~svn20091007r15244-0ubuntu1~usd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz17:01
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/288708/17:01
ftai build with --enable-system-sqlite17:02
* Mook_sb suspects killing the $LIB_SUFFIX on http://src.songbirdnest.com/source/xref/client/components/dbengine/src/Makefile.in#69 will help17:02
Mook_sbalso, we don't seem to have a --enable-system-sqlite (at least, not that configure.ac is aware of)17:03
ftai build your xul with --enable-system-sqlite17:04
ftaso i don't have the .a17:04
Mook_sbright, but that's in vendor-deps, not in xulrunner17:04
ftaeven less a "libsqlite3.a.a"17:04
Mook_sb(there's, like, way too many copies of sqlite involved)17:04
Mook_sb/build/buildd/songbird-1.5.0~a~svn20091007r15244/build-tree/songbird/compiled//build/buildd/songbird-1.5.0~a~svn20091007r15244/build-tree/songbird/dependencies/linux-i686/sqlite/release/lib/libsqlite3.a.a17:05
Mook_sbmeaning what's really missing is /build/buildd/songbird-1.5.0~a~svn20091007r15244/build-tree/songbird/dependencies/linux-i686/sqlite/release/lib/libsqlite3.a17:05
Mook_sb(and then the build system tried to be smart and totally fell flat on its face)17:05
ftawell, i don't really want to build another libsqlite3.a, i'm happy enough with the system shared lib17:06
ftaok, disabling the ppa until it's sorted out, no need to waste builder resources on that17:07
Mook_sbokay; it sounds like the bug you want to file is "have a --enable-system-sqlite option"?17:09
jcastrofta: around?17:11
ftajcastro, yes17:13
jcastrofta: kenvandine was telling me that gwibber is all ready to go, just needs an upload?17:14
ftaMook_sb, sort of, the ".a.a" is also a bug in itself17:14
ftajcastro, yep, i told him i'll do it then we found a last minute packaging theme bug, it's ok now, i will do it shortly17:15
Mook_sbfta: yeah, that's just it trying to be smart, and assuming it was a short name relative to $objdir17:15
Mook_sb(it also added the .../songbird/compiled/ to the front)17:15
jcastrofta: ok cool I was just wondering, he had to step out today so I just wanted to make sure it didn't get lost. You rock. \m/17:15
ftaasac, uh? Rejected: xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1.4~hg20091008r26463+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 1.9.1.4~hg20091008r26463+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd1 <= 1.9.1.5~hg20091007r26461+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd117:16
asacsigh17:20
asaci am wsting my time with flight booking17:20
asactook me about 2 hours already with call centers and stuff17:20
asacand still no flight :/17:21
asacfta: thats again the same bug as before?17:21
asacumd doesnt like us bumping to ubuntu2?17:21
asace.g. releasing stuff _higher_ than what we have in daily17:21
ftano, it seems upstream downgraded 1.9.1.5 to 1.9.1.417:22
ftasame for 3.5.5 to 3.5.417:22
ftaasac, ^^17:29
asacmaybe17:36
asaccould also be wrong way to find the head17:37
asacdid you fix it to not use "tip" ?17:37
asacbut "defautl" ?17:37
asacso ... i will kill someone17:37
asacat some point17:37
ftauh?17:41
ftajcastro, done17:46
jcastrohero17:46
micahgasac: would it be bad for me to comment about linux distro issues in moz.dev.planning?18:27
LLStarkssup asac18:42
asacmicahg: if you want to raise specific points on behalf of the mozillateam we should look at that together i think18:43
asacotherwise you are a free man ;)18:43
micahgasac: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/6c8f06fbdf745d72#18:44
LLStarksasac, for the autocomplete bug, right-clicking clears up the symptoms. it's still a bug that needs fixing.18:45
asaclet me check with someone18:45
LLStarksyou said that you wanted me to do a xulrunner build, right?18:46
asacLLStarks: yes. apt-get source xulrunner-1.9.1; sudo apt-get build-dep xulrunner-1.9.1; sudo apt-get install devscripts; cd xulrunner-1.9.1*/18:47
asacthen edit debian/rules and remove all --enable-system-sqlite stuff from it18:47
asacand build using debuild -b18:47
asacinstall the packages and check18:47
LLStarkswill do.18:51
LLStarksasac, how about this: ifneq (1,$(USE_SYSTEM_SQLITE))19:00
LLStarksdh_link $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR)/libsqlite3.so $(DEBIAN_XUL_DIR)/libsqlite3.so.019:00
LLStarkshere's the file so far: http://pastebin.com/m473fe67419:01
LLStarkswhat needs to be removed still and how should i remove?19:01
asacLLStarks: there is no metnion of system-sqlite ... if oyu only removed that it should be fine19:05
LLStarks#19:06
LLStarksifneq (1,$(USE_SYSTEM_SQLITE))19:06
LLStarksthat's fine?19:07
LLStarkswhatever, compiling.19:09
micahgasac: BTW, manually using WEP didn't work for me19:15
asacmicahg: config problems? or worked once but was not stable?19:15
asacLLStarks: i dont know. i need to see diffs19:15
micahgit wouldn't connect19:15
asacLLStarks: dont know exactly how USE_SYSTEM_SQLITE is set etc.19:15
asacwe already have features to be smart about that19:16
asacso no need to improve in general19:16
micahgI also tried the regular backports which stayed connected by had packet loss19:16
micahgand a custom backport with the same issue19:16
asacmicahg: you could verify that your manual setup works with the backports19:16
asacif it never worked at all its probably not properly set up19:16
LLStarksasac, what's the correlation between using system-wide sqlite and the error? is data not being stored properly?19:17
asacits a test19:17
asacnothing more19:17
asaci want to know if its because we have a slightly different sqlite or maybe compiled differently etc.19:17
ftamicahg, i don't see what you should complain about, if upstream wants to branch or release, it's their choice, packaging will have to follow. ihmo, less branches is better, it means less work19:25
micahgfta: well, if we have 3.5 as a default with no chance of updates within the first 6 months, I think that's a problem19:26
micahgit might not be a major factor, but it should at least be considered19:27
ftadepends when 3.5 becomes EOL19:27
micahgfta: well, that's the issue :)19:28
ftabut even so, asac used to maintain 1.5.* until recently19:28
fta;)19:28
micahgyes, but that's a lot of work I would think19:28
micahgafter the next ubuntu release, I don't think it matters as much if 3.5 is supported19:30
micahgbut until Lucid, I would think that we should be able to providde updates to the default browser19:30
asac:(19:38
asacwe have to think about it19:39
asaci dont want to go through the matyrium of backports again for 2.5 years19:39
asacfor 3 different releases19:39
asacand so on19:39
micahgindeed19:39
asaci am sure we could employ a full team just for that19:40
asacmicahg: so did [reed] land his patches so we can rebase?19:40
micahgI didn't see them land yet...trying to remember if I subscribed...19:41
micahgno, he hasn't landed anything yet19:42
micahgon m-c19:42
asacmicahg: he doesnt do the patches on his own ... just commits for others usually19:42
micahgoh...19:42
asacmicahg: so you wont see him as author as he explicitly gives credits to woever made the patch19:42
asacnext time we should ask him for a bug id ;)19:43
micahgthere are some new patches landed19:43
micahgright :)19:43
asacwell. i think there is not a single day where not at least 20 patche land ;)19:43
micahgbut I don't see anything about plugins19:43
asacon central :)19:43
micahgI"m looking at that one file19:43
asacah19:43
asacok19:43
asacbrowser/content/browser.js ?19:44
micahgyes19:44
asacbrowser/base...19:44
micahgwell, browser/base/content/19:44
micahghttp://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/log/7d0c4369c0d1/browser/base/content/browser.js19:44
asachttp://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/6c8f06fbdf745d72?pli=119:46
asachttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44866919:46
asacthat one ;)19:46
ubottuMozilla bug 448669 in General "browser.js code review and cleanup" [Normal,Assigned]19:46
asaci would expect something out of that to be waiting19:46
asacnope. all are closed and the ones not are not ready19:46
asacshrug19:47
asaci think we should just rebase then19:47
asacdont wait19:47
micahgok19:48
micahgI'll do it this evening19:49
[reed][13:42:40] <asac> micahg: he doesnt do the patches on his own ... just commits for others usually19:51
[reed]that's entirely not true!19:51
[reed]I do patches for myself all the time, especially over the last year or so19:51
[reed]I committed two patches myself yesterday that I wrote19:51
micahgso, [reed], is the onslaught of changes to that file done?19:53
asac[reed]: sorry19:54
asaci just generalized19:54
asac[reed]: i didnt want to make the point that you dont do patches, but that you are usually one of th few good guys19:55
asacthat commits stuff for others19:55
[reed];)19:57
LLStarksasac, finished compiling. ready to test.20:05
asacLLStarks: check that you have a libsqlite.so in the xulrunner package after doing this20:07
asaclibsqlite3.so20:07
gnomefreakasac: thanks for the push got lots of email from it :)20:07
asacgnomefreak: feedback? or launchpad?20:08
gnomefreakasac: launchpad closing bugs20:08
gnomefreakhavent gotten too far into email20:08
gnomefreakasac: would OO.o build the same way as any other package? AFAIK its concidered a script20:09
LLStarks/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1.3/libsqlite3.so.020:09
LLStarksthat what you're looking for?20:09
micahggnomefreak: OO.o is a nightmare to build20:10
gnomefreakmicahg: oh/20:10
gnomefreakmicahg: whats wrong with it?20:10
micahgtook 9 hours, 25 minutes, 27.2 seconds20:11
micahghttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/1:3.1.1-2ubuntu4/+build/127160120:11
gnomefreakmicahg: you building it for hardy?20:11
micahgno20:11
micahgthat's for karmic20:11
gnomefreakok20:11
fta[reed], are you done with your patches?20:11
gnomefreakim going to spin it for hardy at least start on it today or tomorrow20:12
micahglast hardy build: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+archive/ppa/+build/126961720:12
micahggnomefreak: did you check the backports team?20:13
gnomefreakmicahg: this is about the bug for backports20:13
gnomefreakmicahg: i do some backports work20:13
micahgah20:13
gnomefreaki knew OO.o is huge and wish they would make it smaller but i dont dare ask them to :)20:14
LLStarksoo.o and go-oo are lumbering dinosaurs20:16
micahgyeah, but for the size, it's a good product20:18
gnomefreakbe back in a bit20:28
gnomefreakok stop fixing gwibber please well 1 more time20:35
gnomefreakit gets fixed mine breaks20:36
gnomefreakand no errors in the errors window20:36
gnomefreakfta: asac tbird edit > select >all works again with latest upload20:37
LLStarksasac, what's next?20:55
gnomefreakok where did he go21:12
gnomefreakok found him now smoke than bug :)21:13
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asacLLStarks: all installed? paste output of dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9.121:14
gnomefreakasac: are you using daily gwibber or Karmic version?21:17
asacgnomefreak: neither. i wanted to try again after next upload because it was too broken21:19
gnomefreakasac: gwibber isnt the problem i dont think21:19
gnomefreakWARNING:root:desktopcouch is not available. .  falling back to gconf21:19
gnomefreakgconf was broken yesterday21:19
gnomefreakbut would be great to use desktopcouch21:20
asackenvandine: ^^21:21
gnomefreakasac: kenvandine http://paste.ubuntu.com/288812/21:21
gnomefreakthats output21:22
* gnomefreak smoke21:22
kenvandinethe desktopcouch code is all disabled in gwibber21:26
kenvandineit was too new and experimental before feature freeze so we disabled it until after karmic21:26
asackenvandine: meaning? next upload will make this go away?21:26
asachmm. so gnomefreak is running dailies? ok21:26
kenvandineno... it has been outputting that for months21:27
gnomefreakyep i am21:27
asacah ok. so the crash is unrelated21:27
kenvandinethat just means it isn't using desktopcouch21:27
kenvandineyeah21:27
gnomefreak2.0.0~bzr465-0ubuntu2~daily121:27
gnomefreakso i should drop to karmic version?21:27
kenvandinekarmic version should match that actually21:28
gnomefreaksame version for most part21:28
kenvandiner465 should including the proper theme stuff21:28
gnomefreakubuntu1 > ubuntu221:28
asaci have 44921:28
kenvandinedpkg -L gwibber |grep theme21:28
asackenvandine: hmm. that backtrace has "theme" related stuff ;)21:28
kenvandineyeah21:29
asacah ok. you are on it ;)21:29
kenvandinewhich is what is weird21:29
* gnomefreak shows alot of themese21:29
gnomefreakthemes21:29
kenvandinethere was a bug, when another theme bug was fixed it uncovered the package wasn't installing the themes21:29
kenvandinegnomefreak, should be 321:29
kenvandinegilouche, default and compact21:29
kenvandineand they each should have a theme.version file21:29
gnomefreakok i will try update again but i never got a 321:30
kenvandinepastebin that list please21:30
gnomefreakhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/288817/21:30
gnomefreaki have all 321:31
* gnomefreak thinks this is asking alot but a standalone profile would be great21:32
ftagnomefreak, karmic version is the same as the daily one, i just pushed it on behalf of kenvandine earlier today21:33
* gnomefreak also thinks liferea should include a option to post a blog not just read it21:33
gnomefreaki still dont have ubuntu321:33
kenvandinegnomefreak,  gconftool-2 --get /apps/gwibber/preferences/theme21:33
gnomefreakfta: karmic version == ubuntu1 daily == ubuntu221:33
ftait's the same trust me21:34
gnomefreakkenvandine: it outputs "shine"21:34
ftathe daily bot has its way to number stuff21:34
gnomefreakfta: ah ok21:34
kenvandinegnomefreak, change it to default21:36
kenvandineif that fixes it21:36
kenvandinelet me know asap21:36
kenvandine:)21:36
gnomefreakkenvandine: if it lets me i will change it from UI21:37
gnomefreakkenvandine: thats odd21:38
gnomefreakit was default and now the accounts page opens lets see if i can use it21:38
gnomefreakkenvandine: editor never displays21:40
ftakenvandine, any darkroom friendly theme planed for gwibber anytime soon?21:40
gnomefreakah i found it21:41
gnomefreakasac: i just repllied to your post about sunbird21:41
kenvandinefta, not sure, i think ryan is working on it21:42
kenvandinei know nothing about the theme stuff, sorry21:42
gnomefreakkenvandine: ok back to same bug as before the crashing. cant clear window/stream21:42
asacgnomefreak: i posted something about sunbird?21:42
kenvandineok, traceback please21:42
asacoh ... dent21:42
asacok21:42
gnomefreakkenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/288822/21:43
gnomefreakasac: yes dent21:43
asack. saw it now21:43
* asac wants a usable gwibber21:44
gnomefreakme too :)21:44
kenvandineAttributeError: 'GwibberClient' object has no attribute 'tabs'21:44
kenvandineweird21:44
kenvandinegnomefreak, please file a bug... i need ryan to look at that21:44
gnomefreakmine works for the most part so yours should asac21:44
kenvandinecan't see why that is happening21:44
gnomefreakkenvandine: ok21:44
kenvandinesorry21:44
gnomefreakkenvandine: np21:45
kenvandineasac, 449 was pretty broken21:45
gnomefreakkenvandine: thanks for getting me this far it is usable21:45
kenvandinewell, we have fixed a ton of bugs since then :)21:45
* gnomefreak not so fond of the new UI21:45
* gnomefreak hates ubuntu-bug now21:45
ftamine is ok, a bit ugly but ok21:46
gnomefreakits too big i liked the small UI21:46
ftaa few errors in the console though21:46
ftaasac, try the karmic one (465)21:46
kenvandinegnomefreak, you can hide the account tree again if you like21:47
kenvandineit is fixed now21:47
asacfta: getting it now in upgrade21:49
asacfta: but you are runnig tree mode? or the "old" mode?21:49
asac(i prefer the old mode)21:49
asac"Republicans are hateful" (rms)21:50
asachttp://identi.ca/notice/1161948121:50
ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Gwibber.png21:50
asactoday it was me hating the world i thought ;)21:50
asacfta: yeah thats the tree view21:50
gnomefreakkenvandine: bug 446692 filed21:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446692 in gwibber "Gwibber will not clear any posts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44669221:54
gnomefreakold mode? it looks nothing like the old version <2.021:55
gnomefreakmine locked me up while trying to refresh21:55
gnomefreakfta: can you clear your window/stream21:56
asacgnomefreak: in view -> account tree ... if you uncheck that its "old" mode in my speak21:56
ftaasac, old mode works for me, but i don't like it21:56
gnomefreakasac: ah old to me was before it got a really big window21:56
ftagnomefreak, why would you want to clear a stream?21:57
asacgnomefreak: without account view its not really much bigger imo21:57
gnomefreakfta: well its an option and it cleans up the window21:57
ftai tried, it crashed21:59
gnomefreakmine wont crash but gives a traceback21:59
gnomefreakwindow stays open just doesnt do anything21:59
fta   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/client.py", line 943, in on_clear22:00
fta     for tab in self.tabs.get_children():22:00
fta AttributeError: 'GwibberClient' object has no attribute 'tabs'22:00
ftakenvandine, ^^22:00
gnomefreakfta: its same as mine by looks of it22:00
gnomefreakfta: bug 44669222:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446692 in gwibber "Gwibber will not clear any posts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44669222:00
ftayou can't close a search tab either22:00
ftaat least not by clicking the icon22:01
gnomefreakmine closed22:01
gnomefreakused search box on top and than closed22:02
gnomefreak3 hours to download source :( ill play with OO.o tomorrow22:03
* gnomefreak didnt know you can dent from gmail. wonders if identca is able to be an account in tbird under feed readers22:05
ftai meant a user tab22:06
ftaor group22:06
gnomefreakhttp://www.tmz.com/2009/10/07/lawsuit-dr-phil-trapped-me-touched-my-boob/22:06
gnomefreakoh ok22:07
gnomefreakhe was an asshole before the above link and IMHO still22:07
gnomefreakseems 3.5 is lagging really bad22:16
asacok i think gwibber is up-to-date22:21
* asac hopes and kicks it22:21
asackick-started ... there it is ;)22:21
asacgood -> the input field is visible without any interaction ;)22:21
asaci think the non-tree view can be improved22:22
asacdefinitly makes not much sense with all those nested elements22:22
asachmm. the "user subscription" is also hidden22:23
asacthat should be below search directly. though it was there at some point22:23
ftaasac, a bit late in this cycle though22:34
asacsure22:34
asaci think its ok for this cycle22:34
asacas it is22:34
asaci just want to think about it in general ;)22:34
asackenvandine: so mako is the jsp for webkit/python?22:49
fta[reed] ?22:52
asacfor a in self.accounts: data += a22:54
asacthe beauty of python ;)22:54
asac"yield a" ... wth is yield? ... thought that was giving threads some time to rest ;)22:56
asachttp://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#the-yield-statement22:57
asacok its coroutine22:59
[reed]fta: ?23:01
asac?23:04
asac;)23:04
[reed][16:58:24] <fta> [16:52:01] [reed] ?23:45
fta[reed], u done landing your patches?23:51
[reed]yes23:51
micahgfta: I'll rebase later tonight23:54
micahgasac can merge in the morning23:54
ftamicahg, ok, great23:54
micahgI guess I need to do 3.7 and 3.623:54
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