[00:00] I was shown dch -e [00:00] or dch -i [00:01] fta: its alrewady abandoned ... so its fine to keep [00:02] i moved it to abandoned, in case it's needed later. i preferred that over a simple delete [00:03] its the right choice imo [00:04] you could have given it a more meaningful name, like "failed pack-0.92messOct09 ;) [00:11] it's still possible, feel free to rename it [00:16] asac, grrr, they applied 6 patches to browser.js today, it's totally different now [00:17] <[reed]> fta: I have another one waiting to land as soon as the tree reopens ;) [00:17] pff, i'm loosing my time then [00:19] asac, fta, should I bother rebasing the patch or wait till tomorrow? [00:21] <[reed]> fta: it's 1.9.2 beta freeze time [00:21] <[reed]> mad rush to land patches [00:24] ripps: when is freeze? [00:24] [reed]: ^^ [00:24] friday? [00:24] <[reed]> supposed to be last night, moved to tonight, now looking like tomorrow or something? see release-drivers@ mail ;) [00:25] good [00:25] [reed], i was talking about trunk, hence 1.9.3, not 1.9.2 [00:25] so lets not care about daily breakage till tomorrow ;) [00:25] fta: most stuff probably gets landed on trunk and 1.9.2 in parallel ;) [00:25] 3.7 is in a bad shape right now, no more icons [00:25] during rush [00:25] fta: we had a theme issue that removed the icons from searchplugins [00:25] i have a lot of icon only bookmarks [00:25] that should be fixe though [00:26] i never saw that "no icon thing" ... but read a few bug comment today that said its fixed [00:26] but i guess its a different thing [00:26] also, 3.7 often gives me blank pages, i have to hit reload to get them [00:26] was 3.5 [00:28] right, 3.6 also lacks icons [00:28] <[reed]> fta: yeah, I see that a lot [00:28] <[reed]> [18:26:29] also, 3.7 often gives me blank pages, i have to hit reload to get them [00:28] <[reed]> images also have blank lines in them [00:28] fta: that could be a theme thing. are you up-to-date? [00:29] i need to restart my desktop, new kernel, and i had to kill gnome-settings-daemon [00:29] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [00:29] 2297 fta 20 0 452m 141m 4044 R 96 7.0 27:32.68 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon [00:29] 8893 fta 20 0 1085m 542m 21m R 33 26.9 217:19.24 /usr/lib/firefox-3.7a1pre/firefox-3.7 [00:30] 2 pigs [00:31] yes. firefox mem consumption is really bad [00:31] thundebird is even worse [00:31] (3.x) [00:31] fta: you should run nspluginwrapper to see how much flash steals you [00:32] but even without flash ffox is pretty big still [00:32] <[reed]> you should complain [00:33] complain? [00:33] about mem consumption= [00:33] <[reed]> sure! [00:33] from what i know thats the most frequently raised rant about ffox [00:33] "what a memroy hoax" [00:33] ;) [00:34] <[reed]> well, taking so much memory and CPU shouldn't be happening [00:34] point is i have no idea where the mem is lost [00:34] yes, but its normal. [00:34] if you read forums etc. they all complain about huge mem consumption [00:34] for ages [00:34] <[reed]> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [00:34] <[reed]> 4645 reed 20 0 690m 218m 39m S 33 11.1 103:33.56 firefox-bin [00:35] how many tabs do you open at max?` [00:35] <[reed]> currently, I only have 15 open, with one of those being a restore session window [00:36] <[reed]> s/window/tab/ [00:36] ok. so i think most users that have those mem problems often have 100 tabs open or more [00:36] i think fta averages at ~70 ;) [00:36] <[reed]> I think something has regressed [00:36] hmm. but your process looks quite healthy [00:37] all i am saying is that i didnt see these memory issues in the past [00:37] but in the recent history i started to use my browser with more tabs ... just to see [00:37] <[reed]> yeah [00:37] and i got loads of mem [00:37] i have 52 tabs now, but i have ~30 the last few weeks with 3.7 as it's unbearable with more. a few months ago, i was almost always over 100 [00:37] <[reed]> you _really_ should file bugs [00:37] in any case. ffox is quite slink if you compare it to tbird 3 [00:37] on amd64 [00:37] i had a 2gb system where i could run nothing else but tbird ... at least we have a a blocking bug on that atm ;) [00:38] I've got 302m in RES and 818m in VIRT for ff3.6 [00:38] i filed tbird bugs and they are cared of [00:38] no ffox bugs though because i dont see much of a regression [00:38] (but i am using 3.5 here because of my job) [00:38] a little better than 3.5 was [00:39] <[reed]> kinda sucks about:memory doesnt work on Linux [00:39] <[reed]> only on Mac and Windows [00:39] <[reed]> :( [00:39] asac, micahg: i let you guys fix 3.7 once [reed] lands its evil patches [00:39] is that why it doesn't work [00:40] [reed]: when will you land it? [00:40] micahg is probably awake a bit longer [00:40] so can still rebase after that landing [00:40] <[reed]> asac: tree is currently closed [00:40] fta: good night [00:40] <[reed]> can't land right now [00:40] [reed]: ok ;) [00:40] thanks [00:40] u2 [00:40] yeah i am about to drop out :/ [00:41] <[reed]> mozilla bug 520422 [00:41] Mozilla bug 520422 in IPC "Enable about:memory on Linux" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520422 [00:41] [reed]: any reason why linux@distro.bugs isn't subscribed? [00:41] <[reed]> no reason [00:42] that would be appropriate, right? [00:42] <[reed]> if you want [00:42] i think that should be ok [00:42] ugh [00:42] wrong alias [00:44] ok, done [00:45] micahg: i dont see you on CC [00:45] or did you explicitly uncheck it? [00:45] asac, refresh [00:46] micahg: i see linux@ ... not you ... whats you email at bugzill? [00:46] ah i see ;) [00:46] ok [00:46] quite long :) [00:46] yeah, I use aliases for filtering [00:47] for me nothing works [00:47] so i now dump everything into two gmail accounts [00:47] ;) [00:47] and only get assigned bugs to inbox and subscribed to some other folder i rarely read :/ [00:47] it seems to work for me, but I'm sure you get more e-mail [00:48] yeah. but i mailny do the gmail thing because i dont trust launchpad finding somethign if i hit search [00:48] so i use tbird/gmail for searching for dupes etc [00:48] but in times like this its the bug folder i watch ;) [00:48] but i canot even keep up with incoming mails [00:50] <[reed]> I tried using tbird 3 [00:50] <[reed]> it couldn't handle my e-mail [00:50] <[reed]> I gave up [00:51] <[reed]> went back to sylpheed [00:51] how many mails do you have in one folder? [00:51] <[reed]> my inbox has close to 100000 [00:51] my mozbug folder has "just" 100k [00:51] and its a prob ;) [00:51] yeah [00:52] mp lp inbox has 6k right now [00:52] *my [00:52] it took like a day to index everything ;) [00:52] micahg: thats good ;) ... you actually read all that :) [00:52] <[reed]> yeah, and then indexing never completed on one of my other folders [00:52] that's the one I try to read [00:52] <[reed]> lots of bugs [00:52] my lp bulk is almost at 2k [00:52] it completed ... but mem was exorbitant hi ;) [00:52] I have 400 unread in it [00:53] micahg: thats how it starts ;) [00:53] yes [00:53] <[reed]> like "downloading 154 of 93 messages (140% done)" [00:53] <[reed]> (made up numbers, but you get the point) [00:53] hehe yeah. [00:53] i think i even filed a bug about that > 100% [00:53] when stuff comes faster in than indexing ;) [00:54] maybe tb should move to an embedded mysql db? [00:54] i havent figured what they do atm [00:54] wanted to check if they loose all the mem in the indexer [00:54] but they do something like gload [00:54] but all i found was javascript [00:55] which i hope is not all ... because i think doing everything there would probably cause the mem probs [00:55] wow flash is really bad in karmic [00:55] but maybe i am just old ;) [00:55] micahg: what? [00:55] maybe 10.1 will be better [00:55] nspluginwraper? [00:55] yeah [00:55] VIRT = 3050m [00:55] fix it [00:55] ;) [00:56] Adobe needs to release 64 bit... [00:56] are you subscribed to flashplugin-nonfree package= [00:56] currently i follow that too, and its like: [00:56] i managed to fix this by 64-bit plugin ... but well, then i get this and that and those issues [00:57] yes [00:58] oh [00:58] no, not yet [00:58] maybe i should start sending infos to the flash contacts i know :) .. .like status updates and making them aware etc. [00:58] I figured that one would be crazy [00:58] I'm subscribed to the 2 main bugs though [00:58] didnt think it would help ... but well ;) [00:58] micahg: its not worth subscribing [00:58] i think i get it through the mozillabugs-list [00:58] well, I have enough trouble triaging the 3 ff pkgs [00:58] usually its a dead end sunk [00:58] <[reed]> Mozilla has Adobe contacts for flash bugs if you need to talk to somebody [00:59] once you move bugs there they are gone forever ;) [00:59] <[reed]> if you can find a reproducible testcase, file a bug on bmo [00:59] <[reed]> with the detail [00:59] <[reed]> s [00:59] [reed]: i will check with what i have. [01:00] in case that doesnt work i will try the moz road ;) [01:00] but its not really about bugs ... just keeping them up-to-date [01:00] so they get the feeling they know what to test and what is important [01:01] [reed]: anyway. back to tbird ... now that it works, it works quite ok. the UI is a bit inconsitence ... like you get this web-like search result page [01:01] but the old style treeview web folder view [01:02] so for me (being a minority for sure) its quite good to search on my mailboxes ... which is why i have it [01:04] ok off. ttysoon === mac__v is now known as mac_v [11:11] my damn search still doesnt work in 3.5 [11:15] asac: fta 3.5.4~hg20091005r26450+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 search engine doesnt work still [11:23] gnomefreak: do you see the bug where search engine doesnt do anything? [11:24] asac: i see a shit load of bugs on search engine but right now i have people yelling at me there is no GUI to change GDM theme and i know you can do this cant recall how :( [11:35] asac: just for the record firefox spell checker doesnt work either. << interject from -desktop convo [11:36] <|eagles0513875|> morning [11:39] gnomefreak: there are two search engine bugs: a) no icons ... b) not working [11:39] i hope b) is less frequent [11:39] i think a) should be fixed in latest theme [11:44] <|eagles0513875|> asac: what do i need to do to join the mozilla team? [11:45] contribute contribute contribute [11:45] do you have the link to b [11:45] in general, we only add folks that need regular write access to the branches [11:45] i just looked through my bugs but found nothing relevant [11:46] eagles0513875: you can feel yourself as part of the team even if not launchpad wise in the team [11:46] its a different thing [11:46] you basically are part of the team if you contribute in this channel [11:46] <|eagles0513875|> gotcha [11:46] <|eagles0513875|> whats the advantage of being on a team? [11:47] <[reed]> by "contribute", asac means "contribute" large amounts of $$$ into his bank account [11:47] <[reed]> :) [11:47] <|eagles0513875|> hehe [11:47] :) [11:47] <|eagles0513875|> how you doing gnomefreak [11:48] mine too wouldnt hurt [11:48] eagles0513875: you get more responsibility and more work ;) [11:48] if you are a team member [11:48] and you get a badge in launchpad ;) [11:48] <|eagles0513875|> hehe well mine as well hehe im a broke bastard and student lol [11:48] <|eagles0513875|> hehe [11:48] |eagles0513875|: im ok and yourself [11:48] <|eagles0513875|> in a lecture atm about databases talking about ERD [11:48] <|eagles0513875|> entity relationship diagrams lol [11:48] OK EVERYONE except reed please dont use non letters infront of your nick :( [11:49] <|eagles0513875|> gnomefreak: sry im connected from home as well lol [11:49] right. the benefit of mozillateam is that its far more important then the lectures ;) [11:49] <|eagles0513875|> which i cant afford to be in then at the moment [11:49] \its ok i was playing but i only nomrally see reed only [11:49] <|eagles0513875|> well im to lazy to kick myself off irc remotly right now [11:49] <|eagles0513875|> lol [11:50] ok damnit ill be right back while i think a bit on this search engine problem, i have a feeling this is upstream but i will disable ubufox when i get back just to make sure [11:56] asac: can med-xpi make a patch for install.rdf (i know not now) but is it possible for it to? [11:56] * gnomefreak thinks no [11:57] <|eagles0513875|> im literally about to go nuts withboredom here [11:57] <|eagles0513875|> cant even work on bindwood :( they blocked all downloads here [11:59] * gnomefreak though bindwood was done. and i think i just found the problem [11:59] yep found it, now i need to know what is causing it [12:00] asac: extension is the problem now to find out what one [12:01] context menu if i had to guess [12:01] thats the one [12:02] its not broke but if you choose "light settings" it doesnt work. it even says some features will not work [12:12] * gnomefreak be back [12:18] asac: does debian/rules accept * as a wild card in the clean section? [12:20] gnomefreak: not sure what you mean [12:20] need examp. [12:20] asac: i would have to look at the rules file but something like *FireGPGCall to generalize the dirs. its in [12:21] * gnomefreak thinking of getting this done before 10.04 so we can sync from sid [12:22] dtchen: when you are around can you ping me about pulseaudio. it keeps muting after upgrades. [12:32] !info firefox-3.5 jaunty [12:33] <|eagles0513875|> bots broken :P [12:33] firefox-3.5 (source: firefox-3.5): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2 (jaunty), package size 907 kB, installed size 3524 kB [12:33] nope :) [12:34] thunderbird however is broke [12:35] * asac upgrades last jaunty machine i found somewhere http://identi.ca/notice/11589053 [12:36] <|eagles0513875|> canadian website lol [12:36] <|eagles0513875|> asac: didnt know you were from canada [12:37] identica [12:37] canadians are great ;) [12:37] |eagles0513875|: hes not [12:38] <|eagles0513875|> O_O [12:38] <|eagles0513875|> they whats up with the canadian website [12:39] dont know but it is busy at times [12:40] <|eagles0513875|> hehe [12:41] asac: bug 369693 im starting to think it only happens with ubuntu remix. In the past (not sure if still open) alot of remix bugs that non-remix users dont see [12:41] Launchpad bug 369693 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox problems in Ubuntu 9.04 UNR" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369693 [12:41] the title reads "UNR" ;) [12:41] im thinking either upstream doesnt support something or we dont [12:41] asac: but a firefox bug [12:41] that is where we come in [12:42] i made a more specific bug out of it [12:42] its a msising gnome-support in the seed from what i can tell [12:42] please ask if installing firefox-gnome-support and restarting system helps [12:42] afaik it should be fixed already [12:43] asked. should we do this with all UNR firefox/tbird bugs? [12:47] no [12:47] unless they are -gnome-support related [12:48] as i said i think its fixed alreawdy [12:48] so every bug should be a valid bug if its UNR [12:48] identica is down [12:48] that sucks [12:48] k [12:48] Lp giving me issues ;) [12:49] my script still has ~2hours to go [12:52] just that one bug seems to be giving me issues [13:06] asac: how important are exit code status' on the xulrunner failure to install/upgrade? [13:08] gnomefreak: failure to install/upgrades should not happen [13:08] we should fix it [13:08] and exit codes might be involved. yes. [13:09] i have a 127 a 135 and looking at others [13:09] one atleast is alternatives but IIRC we fixed that since july [13:09] are all those related to "alternatives" ß [13:09] ? [13:09] at least that one anyway [13:09] search for "alternat" [13:10] in the logs [13:10] not sure yet [13:10] look for that [13:10] thats a known dupe and i thought we fixed that already [13:10] have to check that again if its still broken [13:10] asac: looks like bug 390664 is related [13:11] Launchpad bug 390664 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~rc2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390664 [13:11] yes thats it [13:11] these are old [13:11] update-alternatives: Fehler oder EOF beim Lesen von /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xulrunner [13:11] thats it [13:11] so yes. but that should be fixed [13:11] the one i have that im looking for dupes is new bug 441098 [13:11] Launchpad bug 441098 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "package xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 135" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441098 [13:12] gnomefreak: that one is a crash [13:12] Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1 (1.9.1.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2) ... [13:12] Bus error [13:13] i just saw that [13:13] Bus error is really rare on i386 and amd64 systems [13:13] more like sparc and arm that have alignment [13:13] gnomefreak: its most likely a hardware error [13:13] like mem etc. if you get a bus error on intel CPUs [13:13] (exceptions proof the rule obviously) [13:14] so this guy might get over by triying again [13:14] to upgrade [13:14] if its a mem broken he is doomed anyway ;) [13:22] asac, Mark wants me to split the umd ppa per package [13:22] he said "The Mozilla Daily PPA is *awesome* :-)" [13:24] yep [13:24] apparently, he wants tb3 alone [13:25] tb3 is broken :( [13:26] <|eagles0513875|> :( [13:26] tb3 works for me [13:26] too much mem [13:27] but thats it basically [13:27] a tbird only PPA is kind of wasteful IMHO [13:27] noone complained to me about broken tb3 [13:27] asac: too much mem and edit >select > all doesnt work [13:28] fta: i did a couple of days but you were not here at the time [13:28] gnomefreak: file a bug upstream if its reproducible for anyone else [13:28] i dont write mails with it ... just read [13:28] as for memory, it's somewhat the same xul-is-a-pig effect as with firefox [13:28] no [13:28] its worse [13:28] tbird indexer is a huge memory eater [13:29] right after firing up it indexes stuff etc. and then consumes 1g of res mem [13:29] asac: i use that menu for deleting emails. with 800+ emails it comes in handy [13:29] firefox doesnt get anywhere close even after using it for a few days [13:29] i agree with asac its tbird releated mem problems. no other app does this for me at least [13:30] i dont have 1 gig of mem but same applies [13:30] fta: i think we should discuss the whole layoutfor all webtech ppas in the next week and also fix the daily split in that turn [13:30] gnomefreak: we have a upstream blocker bug on the mem [13:30] i am supposed to follow up but failed as usual :/ [13:31] asac: do you have link so i can subscribe? [13:31] ask me tonight again [13:31] i am finishing something and then travelling [13:31] ok [13:36] asac: i know you are traveling but try to get sunbird into karmic before freeze since it doesnt qulify for security release only arm fixes im not sure if they would or not [13:38] this damn download is taking forever [13:40] gnomefreak: i saw that you didnt start on top of current one in sunbird [13:40] thats kind of a merge mess i have to admit [13:40] gnomefreak: why did you mark bug 436600 as invalid? [13:40] Launchpad bug 436600 in adblock-plus "adblock plus does no longer work in firefox 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/436600 [13:40] asac: huh? i started on ubuntu2 [13:41] bdrung: its not firefox its adblock-plus [13:41] ok, didn't saw that [13:41] more than likely its another extension helping in the failure [13:42] no [13:42] you didnt start on ubuntu2 [13:42] you started on ubuntu2 UNRELEASED [13:42] and made ubuntu3 out of it [13:43] asac: ubuntu2 was released already [13:43] yes. but your branch doesnt start on top of that [13:43] someone didnt change to jaunty when they pushed [13:43] the release is rev 124 [13:44] * fix LP: #210534 - bad swedish translation in sunbird.desktop; we [13:44] apply improved translation by Daniel Nylander [13:44] - update debian/sunbird.desktop [13:44] should have been the latest before ubuntu3 [13:45] <|eagles0513875|> ill b back on from home [13:45] search doesnt work again :( [13:46] gnomefreak: thats what i fixed now http://paste.ubuntu.com/288588/ [13:46] gnomefreak: no that was not th elatest [13:46] 124 was the latest [13:46] * gnomefreak looking [13:46] anyway. i think thats fine how [13:46] now [13:47] you also had a typo in changelog and and empty * line [13:47] oh crap i see now [13:47] ok i pushing the merge now [13:47] please check on the main branch [13:47] forgot to remove the * line when i used dch [13:48] gnomefreak: that and the debianpathces: series updatd [13:48] anyway i hope all is fixed [13:48] plesae verify on release branch [13:48] asac: ok doing [13:52] gnomefreak: you used CXX=g++-4.4 now [13:52] we should just drop it [13:52] e.g. we are back to "normal" version [13:52] so no need to set CXX and CC [13:52] anyway. thats _fater_ this upload [13:52] also i think we should break the build-depends in multiple lines [13:52] also for lucis [13:52] lucid [13:53] asac: ok simple enough. i would love to get 1.0 in Lucid but that is unllikely from what i can tell at this time anyway [13:53] yeah [13:53] first fine tune packaging a bit [13:54] the points i mentioned are good [13:54] then we can check whats up with 1.0 [13:54] missed * Fixes (LP: #178785) as first line [13:54] no [13:54] gnomefreak: that was already fixed in last upload [13:54] see the changelog entry before [13:54] thats what i meant [13:54] asac: not fully it wasnt [13:54] well. it was [13:54] i can see that the rest might also be there [13:54] i had to adjust rules a bit to fix it [13:54] but that wasnt clear to me [13:54] ok [13:55] i thihnk we will survive with out it? [13:55] or want me to add it? [13:55] was the bug reopened? [13:55] everything looks good i will close that bug by hand [13:55] ok let me coomit that right changelog entry [13:56] k [13:56] ~40 more minutes for download. i want to do updates :( [13:57] gnomefreak: ok. recommitted it with proper credits and all [13:58] i am firing off a testbuild now and will upload when that finishes [13:58] gnomefreak: mark the 9.10 branch merged now ;) [13:59] asac: will do. it would be great if there was a bzr update lp...... to update a branch to latest rev if not your branch [14:00] i when i get back from smoke and phone [14:08] opps wrong button. fixed now [14:16] asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/firefox-trunk-rss-mem.png [14:16] fta: yeah. is that 32-bit? [14:16] yes [14:16] thats bad then ;) [14:17] but depends on the tab count of course ;) [14:17] the box was idle [14:17] fta: so according to [reed] we should file these bugs [14:17] freshly rebooted [14:17] i always thought they knew they were considered mem hungry [14:17] but seems they dont even recognize it (dont ask me how that can happen) [14:18] fta: ok but thats with flash in-process? [14:18] would be interesting to see how that changes if you use nspluginwrapper [14:18] i would expect half the mem go out to the flash process [14:18] the tabs were from my session but didn't change during the period [14:18] yes, regular flash install, not nsp [14:19] yeh. for a upstreawm bug i think it would make sense to split that and do the same testing [14:20] ubuntu is telling me my printer is out of paper but my printer does not agree [14:23] asac, this i don't understand: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/firefox-trunk-cpu-mem.png [14:23] asac, cpu seems to cool off while idle [14:29] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [14:29] 14382 fta 20 0 2398m 1.2g 4452 R 99 60.4 1:30.74 evolution [14:29] i just tried to open an attachment :( [14:30] gnomefreak: uploaded sunbird [14:31] fta: good. so evolution is not better ;) [14:31] (than tbird) [14:34] gnomefreak: in case it fails to build or something let me know. please try to watch sunbird bugs for the next few days so we can still do something in case hell breaks loose now [14:34] thx [14:42] asac: ok will check. on 386 64 and what ever else PPA builds they all built [14:42] eveolution sucks tbird much better ;) [14:45] omg cpu at %99 [15:14] evo is usually pretty good for me [15:14] fta 16760 2.3 5.0 264912 104180 ? Sl 15:33 0:56 evolution --component=mail [15:15] except when it turns crazy [15:46] asac, was the 3.7 patch rebased since yesterday? [15:46] asac, 14min before the next respin [16:14] fta: check if micahg submitted a branch for merging [16:15] probably he waited for reed to confirm his commit [16:15] i think we agreed to not fix it before reed committed it [16:15] then we re in freeze and things should stop to come in [16:15] when we are in RC freeze i will pursue the upstreaming again [16:22] asac, rc freeze for 3.6, i'm talking about 3.7 [16:22]