| === mhall119|school is now known as mhall119|work | ||
| alkisg | Good morning | 08:27 |
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| Balsaq | hody alkisg! | 08:33 |
| Balsaq | how do i personlize my profile so my "whois" thing readsd the way i want it too | 08:34 |
| alkisg | Balsaq: better ask this in #ubuntu | 08:36 |
| Balsaq | i thought the 2 were essentially the same? and that room is a mad house...but if you wish. | 08:37 |
| alkisg | No, this channel is for education specific questions.. | 08:39 |
| nubae|work | greets alkisg, how's your python app coming along? | 09:11 |
| alkisg | Hi nubae!! Which one ? :) | 09:12 |
| alkisg | My latest python script was one that supported users importing/exporting, it runs just fine... | 09:12 |
| alkisg | The other one about port forwarding NATting etc wasn't an app; I was looking to use existing tools | 09:12 |
| alkisg | (so telepathy didn't do what I wanted; I found no existing tools for that) | 09:13 |
| BronzeAu | Hey all. Any one here? | 10:45 |
| BronzeAu | Have a couple of questions. | 10:45 |
| jussi01 | no :P | 10:45 |
| jussi01 | go ahead BronzeAu | 10:45 |
| BronzeAu | Bugger. Oh well. :9 | 10:45 |
| BronzeAu | Mate. I've downloaded Ubuntu from the Jaunty DVD. Updated it and now I want to add the Edubuntu ISO image I have on CD here. How do I do that? | 10:46 |
| BronzeAu | Was about 230mb | 10:46 |
| BronzeAu | The edubuntu site dosen't really seem to help me download it or give me clear instructions unless I have missed it. Most probably. | 10:47 |
| nubae|work | just stick the edubuntu cd in the drive and a dialog should come up asking if u want to install packages | 10:48 |
| BronzeAu | It just displays a heap of folders. Do I click on one in particular? | 10:50 |
| jussi01 | sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop should do it no? | 10:50 |
| BronzeAu | Both 'install' and 'appinstall' do nothing. | 10:50 |
| BronzeAu | I'll try. | 10:50 |
| BronzeAu | Its downloading - So I didn't need the CD afterall. | 10:53 |
| jussi01 | thats what I thought, yeah. | 10:53 |
| jussi01 | iirc the live CD's dont have packages on them, only an image. | 10:54 |
| BronzeAu | Ok. cool. Well it working so fingers crossed. It's taken me two days to get to this point. Phew!! | 10:55 |
| nubae|work | right, u need to write the image to CD | 10:56 |
| BronzeAu | What image? Nubae. Do you mean me? | 10:58 |
| BronzeAu | I have had absolutlely no luck with the ISO's I have downloaded. Three copies and all corrupt in some way. Just amazing. Finally I went down the shops and bought the last Linux Mag and there was a DVD of Jaunty in there. | 10:59 |
| BronzeAu | Thank guys. Appreciate the help. ;) | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | are we having a meeting? | 14:56 |
| alkisg | Do we have anything that relates to an agenta? :) | 14:58 |
| sbalneav | Well, I'm in Ubuntu-meeing just in case we do :) | 14:59 |
| LaserJock | we've got major issues with the DVD I wanted to discuss | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | we don't have much time | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | I think we need to nail down Karmic ASAP | 15:00 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage, stgraber: ping | 15:06 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: pong | 15:09 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: meeting time | 15:10 |
| alkisg | stgraber: meeting... :) | 15:10 |
| * alkisg is sorry to leave in the middle of the meeting, but he has to. Good work LaserJοck! | 15:33 | |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: pong | 15:40 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: is the meeting over? | 15:40 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: still going | 15:40 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: the short version of the DVD problem is that the text-based installer is screwed right now | 15:52 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ouch, ok | 15:52 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: cjwatson is tracking it down for us as he thinks it might be a bug in the build script | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | if that's fixed then things are look rather good actually | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | I did a bunch of tests on the Live side | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | and it really looks cool | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm impressed | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | we get the nice work of Ubiquity | 15:53 |
| LaserJock | but it still uses Edubuntu 9.10 most places | 15:54 |
| LaserJock | the slideshow is still Ubuntu-specific, but I don't think that's a big deal | 15:54 |
| dinda | LaserJock: highvoltage: I've got a meeting next week with other Canonical folks re: Edubuntu and all things Ubuntu Education, anything in particular you folks want asked? | 15:58 |
| LaserJock | dinda: heh, lots of things ... | 16:03 |
| LaserJock | dinda: is it going to be a live meeting? | 16:04 |
| dinda | LaserJock: yes, in person | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | I things that come to my mind are: | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | 1) Is the community free to just use "Edubuntu", no need for "Ubuntu Educational Edition", or "Ubuntu Education"? | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | 2) Is Canonical going to offer paid support for Edubuntu (or even parts of it)? | 16:06 |
| LaserJock | 3) What channels can we use to involve Canonical in marketing of Edubuntu? | 16:07 |
| LaserJock | right now I'm just not sure where Edubuntu fits in Canonical's plans | 16:07 |
| LaserJock | it seems like Canonical still wants to get involved with schools, etc. | 16:08 |
| LaserJock | primarily right now as Ubuntu desktops and servers | 16:08 |
| LaserJock | but it would seem like Canonical would also benefit from Edubuntu too | 16:08 |
| LaserJock | so I'm curious what can Edubuntu do to help Canonical and vice versa | 16:09 |
| dinda | LaserJock: agreed, last they told was "edubuntu is not currently aligned in our goals" but not much else | 16:09 |
| LaserJock | right | 16:09 |
| LaserJock | I mean, one question would be, what does it take for Edubuntu to be "valuable" to Canonical again | 16:10 |
| dinda | so I hope to flesh out if they have any plans and if so, try to get some sort of more formal statement | 16:10 |
| LaserJock | what measure of success do we need to show? | 16:10 |
| dinda | they've really said nothing to the community and the silence has been a bit deafening - imo | 16:10 |
| dinda | of course since Laserjock sez "silence means I'm that man" then maybe. . . :) | 16:11 |
| LaserJock | lol | 16:11 |
| LaserJock | dinda: mdz asked me to fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest | 16:11 |
| LaserJock | dinda: so I updated it for Edubuntu, but we still have a ? under the support length | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | dinda: I mentioned in my email back to him that we've still not hear on that | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | so that's somewhat of a pressing need | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | I don't even know how to write my release announcement currently regarding Canonical's support | 16:12 |
| dinda | yeah, there's been no talk of formal support yet | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | dinda: well, there was no talk of the lack of formal support | 16:13 |
| LaserJock | that I'm aware of | 16:13 |
| LaserJock | I've never seen a Canonical statement saying they no longer offer support for Edubuntu | 16:13 |
| dinda | let me ask real quick | 16:14 |
| dinda | they say "not at the moment" | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | ... okay | 16:18 |
| dinda | but I suspect if a large enough customer came to us, we would definitely not turn them down | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | that makes for an interested release announcement ;-) | 16:18 |
| dinda | I wonder if the hang up is b/c of the ltsp stuff of the additional edu apps? | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | LTSP should be supported | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | as it's on the Ubuntu Alternate CD as well | 16:19 |
| dinda | ok, will definitely put that topic on the agenda | 16:19 |
| LaserJock | my guess would be it's because they don't have a person on the "inside" | 16:19 |
| LaserJock | i.e. how can they ensure supportability if there's nobody involved with the project | 16:20 |
| LaserJock | I would guess that would be the issue more than the actual packages | 16:20 |
| jsgotangco | makes sense | 16:20 |
| dinda | jsgotangco: Hello there! long time no see you :) | 16:21 |
| jsgotangco | dinda: i know! But I always see your facebook updates :) | 16:21 |
| LaserJock | in any case, I guess for karmic we just don't mention Canonical support availability and move on from there | 16:21 |
| dinda | jsgotangco: though I do follow you on FB/twitter/etc | 16:21 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 16:22 |
| LaserJock | dinda: the most important thing for me personally is that Canonical has been almost completely silent for a long long time | 16:25 |
| dinda | http://education.zdnet.com/?p=3169 | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | dinda: I don't like the answer "Canonical's not interested" but I appreciate it a lot more than silence | 16:25 |
| dinda | LaserJock: agreed | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | dinda: right | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | dinda: I don't see how Edubuntu can't be involved with this stuff | 16:26 |
| LaserJock | but we've gotten nothing | 16:26 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu as a project and community is interested in Ubuntu in Education | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | even if that doesn't mean people using the Edubuntu DVD | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | although we want that to be a solid offering | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | and my feeling is that we're getting side-stepped and kept out of the loop quite a bit | 16:27 |
| dinda | LaserJock: I promise I'll do what I can | 16:28 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: honestly if they are not up to it, they should just drop it altogether | 16:28 |
| LaserJock | dinda: well, thanks a ton for your efforts | 16:28 |
| jsgotangco | and free up whatever copyright over the name | 16:28 |
| LaserJock | right | 16:29 |
| LaserJock | but I want to know either way | 16:29 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 16:29 |
| LaserJock | where do we stand | 16:29 |
| LaserJock | what's the game plan moving forward | 16:29 |
| LaserJock | what are the boundaries | 16:29 |
| jsgotangco | dinda: over here we are arranging an olpc pilot for a school to run fedora/sugar | 16:29 |
| jsgotangco | the donor didn't like the idea of getting intel ;-) | 16:30 |
| dinda | on a slightly related topic - has anyone been asked to do an Open Week presentation for Edubuntu? | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | yep | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | stgraber is doing one | 16:30 |
| highvoltage | dinda: yes adding to what LaserJock said, I don't think we want to use "Ubuntu Educational edition", etc | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | and hopefully some us can also stop by | 16:31 |
| dinda | jsgotangco: ugh, yeah and I know morgan c and others in the sugar project are doing some great work to get sugar packaged for ubuntu | 16:31 |
| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco, nice to see you around again | 16:32 |
| highvoltage | dinda: and you of course too | 16:32 |
| jsgotangco | yup, but I must say I'm quite impressed on the fedora 11 remix / sugar spin for a slow machine like the xo | 16:32 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: hey yeah, ive been on irc but just been quiet, had a hell of a season | 16:32 |
| dinda | RH hired Mel Chua from olpc and she's rocking over there | 16:33 |
| jsgotangco | yup mel is there | 16:33 |
| dinda | jsgotangco: how large is that pilot? | 16:34 |
| jsgotangco | not too big we're starting with 50 in an integrated school and 200 in a public school | 16:35 |
| jsgotangco | the 50 is interesting because it entails 2 grade levels | 16:36 |
| jsgotangco | the 4th graders will be tasked to learn to build content for the 1st graders | 16:36 |
| jsgotangco | ;-) | 16:36 |
| dinda | Nice! | 16:36 |
| LaserJock | I've definitely been feeling that Fedora and openSUSE are progressing much faster than we are | 16:38 |
| LaserJock | we seem to not be as agile or innovative | 16:38 |
| jsgotangco | its a bigger community | 16:38 |
| dinda | OpenSUSE are making some nice progress indeed | 16:38 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: wow, the 4th graders making content for grade 2's is awesome! | 16:38 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: it would be an interesting exercise to say the least | 16:39 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: because the theory is that a 1st grader is only a consumer | 16:40 |
| jsgotangco | while an older kind can become a producer | 16:40 |
| jsgotangco | more complex concepts are grasped | 16:40 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: thats why its so important to have an educator in a team | 16:40 |
| jsgotangco | to make such teaching concepts | 16:41 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: when I was that age I so wanted to create content for the grades below me. I did actually and I taught my younger brother a lot of things with it | 16:41 |
| jsgotangco | oh man it seems some northern provinces had some massive flooding again from a typhoon :/ | 16:55 |
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