[08:27] <alkisg> Good morning
[08:33] <Balsaq> hody alkisg!
[08:34] <Balsaq> how do i personlize my profile so my "whois" thing readsd the way i want it too
[08:36] <alkisg> Balsaq: better ask this in #ubuntu
[08:37] <Balsaq> i thought the 2 were essentially the same? and that room is a mad house...but if you wish.
[08:39] <alkisg> No, this channel is for education specific questions..
[09:11] <nubae|work> greets alkisg, how's your python app coming along?
[09:12] <alkisg> Hi nubae!! Which one ? :)
[09:12] <alkisg> My latest python script was one that supported users importing/exporting, it runs just fine...
[09:12] <alkisg> The other one about port forwarding NATting etc wasn't an app; I was looking to use existing tools
[09:13] <alkisg> (so telepathy didn't do what I wanted; I found no existing tools for that)
[10:45] <BronzeAu> Hey all. Any one here?
[10:45] <BronzeAu> Have a couple of questions.
[10:45] <jussi01> no :P
[10:45] <jussi01> go ahead BronzeAu
[10:45] <BronzeAu> Bugger. Oh well. :9
[10:46] <BronzeAu> Mate. I've downloaded Ubuntu from the Jaunty DVD. Updated it and now I want to add the Edubuntu ISO image I have on CD here. How do I do that?
[10:46] <BronzeAu> Was about 230mb
[10:47] <BronzeAu> The edubuntu site dosen't really seem to help me download it or give me clear instructions unless I have missed it. Most probably.
[10:48] <nubae|work> just stick the edubuntu cd in the drive and a dialog should come up asking if u want to install packages
[10:50] <BronzeAu> It just displays a heap of folders. Do I click on one in particular?
[10:50] <jussi01> sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop should do it no?
[10:50] <BronzeAu> Both 'install' and 'appinstall' do nothing.
[10:50] <BronzeAu> I'll try.
[10:53] <BronzeAu> Its downloading - So I didn't need the CD afterall.
[10:53] <jussi01> thats what I thought, yeah.
[10:54] <jussi01> iirc the live CD's dont have packages on them, only an image.
[10:55] <BronzeAu> Ok. cool. Well it working so fingers crossed. It's taken me two days to get to this point. Phew!!
[10:56] <nubae|work> right, u need to write the image to CD
[10:58] <BronzeAu> What image? Nubae. Do you mean me?
[10:59] <BronzeAu> I have had absolutlely no luck with the ISO's I have downloaded. Three copies and all corrupt in some way. Just amazing. Finally I went down the shops and bought the last Linux Mag and there was a DVD of Jaunty in there.
[11:08] <BronzeAu> Thank guys. Appreciate the help. ;)
[14:56] <LaserJock> are we having a meeting?
[14:58] <alkisg> Do we have anything that relates to an agenta? :)
[14:59] <sbalneav> Well, I'm in Ubuntu-meeing just in case we do :)
[15:00] <LaserJock> we've got major issues with the DVD I wanted to discuss
[15:00] <LaserJock> we don't have much time
[15:00] <LaserJock> I think we need to nail down Karmic ASAP
[15:06] <LaserJock> highvoltage, stgraber: ping
[15:09] <stgraber> LaserJock: pong
[15:10] <LaserJock> stgraber: meeting time
[15:10] <alkisg> stgraber: meeting... :)
[15:33]  * alkisg is sorry to leave in the middle of the meeting, but he has to. Good work LaserJοck!
[15:40] <highvoltage> LaserJock: pong
[15:40] <highvoltage> LaserJock: is the meeting over?
[15:40] <LaserJock> highvoltage: still going
[15:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: the short version of the DVD problem is that the text-based installer is screwed right now
[15:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ouch, ok
[15:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: cjwatson is tracking it down for us as he thinks it might be a bug in the build script
[15:53] <LaserJock> if that's fixed then things are look rather good actually
[15:53] <LaserJock> I did a bunch of tests on the Live side
[15:53] <LaserJock> and it really looks cool
[15:53] <LaserJock> I'm impressed
[15:53] <LaserJock> we get the nice work of Ubiquity
[15:54] <LaserJock> but it still uses Edubuntu 9.10 most places
[15:54] <LaserJock> the slideshow is still Ubuntu-specific, but I don't think that's a big deal
[15:58] <dinda> LaserJock: highvoltage:  I've got a meeting next week with other Canonical folks re: Edubuntu and all things Ubuntu Education, anything in particular you folks want asked?
[16:03] <LaserJock> dinda: heh, lots of things ...
[16:04] <LaserJock> dinda: is it going to be a live meeting?
[16:04] <dinda> LaserJock: yes, in person
[16:04] <LaserJock> I things that come to my mind are:
[16:05] <LaserJock> 1) Is the community free to just use "Edubuntu", no need for "Ubuntu Educational Edition", or "Ubuntu Education"?
[16:06] <LaserJock> 2) Is Canonical going to offer paid support for Edubuntu (or even parts of it)?
[16:07] <LaserJock> 3) What channels can we use to involve Canonical in marketing of Edubuntu?
[16:07] <LaserJock> right now I'm just not sure where Edubuntu fits in Canonical's plans
[16:08] <LaserJock> it seems like Canonical still wants to get involved with schools, etc.
[16:08] <LaserJock> primarily right now as Ubuntu desktops and servers
[16:08] <LaserJock> but it would seem like Canonical would also benefit from Edubuntu too
[16:09] <LaserJock> so I'm curious what can Edubuntu do to help Canonical and vice versa
[16:09] <dinda> LaserJock: agreed, last they told was "edubuntu is not currently aligned in our goals" but not much else
[16:09] <LaserJock> right
[16:10] <LaserJock> I mean, one question would be, what does it take for Edubuntu to be "valuable" to Canonical again
[16:10] <dinda> so I hope to flesh out if they have any plans and if so, try to get some sort of more formal statement
[16:10] <LaserJock> what measure of success do we need to show?
[16:10] <dinda> they've really said nothing to the community and the silence has been a bit deafening - imo
[16:11] <dinda> of course since Laserjock sez "silence means I'm that man" then maybe. . .  :)
[16:11] <LaserJock> lol
[16:11] <LaserJock> dinda: mdz asked me to fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest
[16:12] <LaserJock> dinda: so I updated it for Edubuntu, but we still have a ? under the support length
[16:12] <LaserJock> dinda: I mentioned in my email back to him that we've still not hear on that
[16:12] <LaserJock> so that's somewhat of a pressing need
[16:12] <LaserJock> I don't even know how to write my release announcement currently regarding Canonical's support
[16:12] <dinda> yeah, there's been no talk of formal support yet
[16:13] <LaserJock> dinda: well, there was no talk of the lack of formal support
[16:13] <LaserJock> that I'm aware of
[16:13] <LaserJock> I've never seen a Canonical statement saying they no longer offer support for Edubuntu
[16:14] <dinda> let me ask real quick
[16:18] <dinda> they say "not at the moment"
[16:18] <LaserJock> ... okay
[16:18] <dinda> but I suspect if a large enough customer came to us, we would definitely not turn them down
[16:18] <LaserJock> that makes for an interested release announcement ;-)
[16:18] <dinda> I wonder if the hang up is b/c of the ltsp stuff of the additional edu apps?
[16:18] <LaserJock> LTSP should be supported
[16:19] <LaserJock> as it's on the Ubuntu Alternate CD as well
[16:19] <dinda> ok, will definitely put that topic on the agenda
[16:19] <LaserJock> my guess would be it's because they don't have a person on the "inside"
[16:20] <LaserJock> i.e. how can they ensure supportability if there's nobody involved with the project
[16:20] <LaserJock> I would guess that would be the issue more than the actual packages
[16:20] <jsgotangco> makes sense
[16:21] <dinda> jsgotangco: Hello there!  long time no see you :)
[16:21] <jsgotangco> dinda: i know! But I always see your facebook updates :)
[16:21] <LaserJock> in any case, I guess for karmic we just don't mention Canonical support availability and move on from there
[16:21] <dinda> jsgotangco: though I do follow you on FB/twitter/etc
[16:22] <jsgotangco> hehe
[16:25] <LaserJock> dinda: the most important thing for me personally is that Canonical has been almost completely silent for a long long time
[16:25] <dinda> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=3169
[16:25] <LaserJock> dinda: I don't like the answer "Canonical's not interested" but I appreciate it a lot more than silence
[16:25] <dinda> LaserJock: agreed
[16:25] <LaserJock> dinda: right
[16:26] <LaserJock> dinda: I don't see how Edubuntu can't be involved with this stuff
[16:26] <LaserJock> but we've gotten nothing
[16:27] <LaserJock> Edubuntu as a project and community is interested in Ubuntu in Education
[16:27] <LaserJock> even if that doesn't mean people using the Edubuntu DVD
[16:27] <LaserJock> although we want that to be a solid offering
[16:27] <LaserJock> and my feeling is that we're getting side-stepped and kept out of the loop quite a bit
[16:28] <dinda> LaserJock: I promise I'll do what I can
[16:28] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: honestly if they are not up to it, they should just drop it altogether
[16:28] <LaserJock> dinda: well, thanks a ton for your efforts
[16:28] <jsgotangco> and free up whatever copyright over the name
[16:29] <LaserJock> right
[16:29] <LaserJock> but I want to know either way
[16:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[16:29] <LaserJock> where do we stand
[16:29] <LaserJock> what's the game plan moving forward
[16:29] <LaserJock> what are the boundaries
[16:29] <jsgotangco> dinda: over here we are arranging an olpc pilot for a school to run fedora/sugar
[16:30] <jsgotangco> the donor didn't like the idea of getting intel ;-)
[16:30] <dinda> on a slightly related topic - has anyone been asked to do an Open Week presentation for Edubuntu?
[16:30] <LaserJock> yep
[16:30] <LaserJock> stgraber is doing one
[16:30] <highvoltage> dinda: yes adding to what LaserJock said, I don't think we want to use "Ubuntu Educational edition", etc
[16:31] <LaserJock> and hopefully some us can also stop by
[16:31] <dinda> jsgotangco: ugh, yeah and I know morgan c and others in the sugar project are doing some great work to get sugar packaged for ubuntu
[16:32] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco, nice to see you around again
[16:32] <highvoltage> dinda: and you of course too
[16:32] <jsgotangco> yup, but I must say I'm quite impressed on the fedora 11 remix / sugar spin for a slow machine like the xo
[16:32] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey yeah, ive been on irc but just been quiet, had a hell of a season
[16:33] <dinda> RH hired Mel Chua from olpc and she's rocking over there
[16:33] <jsgotangco> yup mel is there
[16:34] <dinda> jsgotangco: how large is that pilot?
[16:35] <jsgotangco> not too big we're starting with 50 in an integrated school and 200 in a public school
[16:36] <jsgotangco> the 50 is interesting because it entails 2 grade levels
[16:36] <jsgotangco> the 4th graders will be tasked to learn to build content for the 1st graders
[16:36] <jsgotangco> ;-)
[16:36] <dinda> Nice!
[16:38] <LaserJock> I've definitely been feeling that Fedora and openSUSE are progressing much faster than we are
[16:38] <LaserJock> we seem to not be as agile or innovative
[16:38] <jsgotangco> its a bigger community
[16:38] <dinda> OpenSUSE are making some nice progress indeed
[16:38] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: wow, the 4th graders making content for grade 2's is awesome!
[16:39] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it would be an interesting exercise to say the least
[16:40] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: because the theory is that a 1st grader is only a consumer
[16:40] <jsgotangco> while an older kind can become a producer
[16:40] <jsgotangco> more complex concepts are grasped
[16:40] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: thats why its so important to have an educator in a team
[16:41] <jsgotangco> to make such teaching concepts
[16:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: when I was that age I so wanted to create content for the grades below me. I did actually and I taught my younger brother a lot of things with it
[16:55] <jsgotangco> oh man it seems some northern provinces had some massive flooding again from a typhoon :/