=== mhall119|school is now known as mhall119|work [08:27] Good morning [08:33] hody alkisg! [08:34] how do i personlize my profile so my "whois" thing readsd the way i want it too [08:36] Balsaq: better ask this in #ubuntu [08:37] i thought the 2 were essentially the same? and that room is a mad house...but if you wish. [08:39] No, this channel is for education specific questions.. [09:11] greets alkisg, how's your python app coming along? [09:12] Hi nubae!! Which one ? :) [09:12] My latest python script was one that supported users importing/exporting, it runs just fine... [09:12] The other one about port forwarding NATting etc wasn't an app; I was looking to use existing tools [09:13] (so telepathy didn't do what I wanted; I found no existing tools for that) [10:45] Hey all. Any one here? [10:45] Have a couple of questions. [10:45] no :P [10:45] go ahead BronzeAu [10:45] Bugger. Oh well. :9 [10:46] Mate. I've downloaded Ubuntu from the Jaunty DVD. Updated it and now I want to add the Edubuntu ISO image I have on CD here. How do I do that? [10:46] Was about 230mb [10:47] The edubuntu site dosen't really seem to help me download it or give me clear instructions unless I have missed it. Most probably. [10:48] just stick the edubuntu cd in the drive and a dialog should come up asking if u want to install packages [10:50] It just displays a heap of folders. Do I click on one in particular? [10:50] sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop should do it no? [10:50] Both 'install' and 'appinstall' do nothing. [10:50] I'll try. [10:53] Its downloading - So I didn't need the CD afterall. [10:53] thats what I thought, yeah. [10:54] iirc the live CD's dont have packages on them, only an image. [10:55] Ok. cool. Well it working so fingers crossed. It's taken me two days to get to this point. Phew!! [10:56] right, u need to write the image to CD [10:58] What image? Nubae. Do you mean me? [10:59] I have had absolutlely no luck with the ISO's I have downloaded. Three copies and all corrupt in some way. Just amazing. Finally I went down the shops and bought the last Linux Mag and there was a DVD of Jaunty in there. [11:08] Thank guys. Appreciate the help. ;) [14:56] are we having a meeting? [14:58] Do we have anything that relates to an agenta? :) [14:59] Well, I'm in Ubuntu-meeing just in case we do :) [15:00] we've got major issues with the DVD I wanted to discuss [15:00] we don't have much time [15:00] I think we need to nail down Karmic ASAP [15:06] highvoltage, stgraber: ping [15:09] LaserJock: pong [15:10] stgraber: meeting time [15:10] stgraber: meeting... :) [15:33] * alkisg is sorry to leave in the middle of the meeting, but he has to. Good work LaserJοck! [15:40] LaserJock: pong [15:40] LaserJock: is the meeting over? [15:40] highvoltage: still going [15:52] highvoltage: the short version of the DVD problem is that the text-based installer is screwed right now [15:52] LaserJock: ouch, ok [15:53] highvoltage: cjwatson is tracking it down for us as he thinks it might be a bug in the build script [15:53] if that's fixed then things are look rather good actually [15:53] I did a bunch of tests on the Live side [15:53] and it really looks cool [15:53] I'm impressed [15:53] we get the nice work of Ubiquity [15:54] but it still uses Edubuntu 9.10 most places [15:54] the slideshow is still Ubuntu-specific, but I don't think that's a big deal [15:58] LaserJock: highvoltage: I've got a meeting next week with other Canonical folks re: Edubuntu and all things Ubuntu Education, anything in particular you folks want asked? [16:03] dinda: heh, lots of things ... [16:04] dinda: is it going to be a live meeting? [16:04] LaserJock: yes, in person [16:04] I things that come to my mind are: [16:05] 1) Is the community free to just use "Edubuntu", no need for "Ubuntu Educational Edition", or "Ubuntu Education"? [16:06] 2) Is Canonical going to offer paid support for Edubuntu (or even parts of it)? [16:07] 3) What channels can we use to involve Canonical in marketing of Edubuntu? [16:07] right now I'm just not sure where Edubuntu fits in Canonical's plans [16:08] it seems like Canonical still wants to get involved with schools, etc. [16:08] primarily right now as Ubuntu desktops and servers [16:08] but it would seem like Canonical would also benefit from Edubuntu too [16:09] so I'm curious what can Edubuntu do to help Canonical and vice versa [16:09] LaserJock: agreed, last they told was "edubuntu is not currently aligned in our goals" but not much else [16:09] right [16:10] I mean, one question would be, what does it take for Edubuntu to be "valuable" to Canonical again [16:10] so I hope to flesh out if they have any plans and if so, try to get some sort of more formal statement [16:10] what measure of success do we need to show? [16:10] they've really said nothing to the community and the silence has been a bit deafening - imo [16:11] of course since Laserjock sez "silence means I'm that man" then maybe. . . :) [16:11] lol [16:11] dinda: mdz asked me to fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest [16:12] dinda: so I updated it for Edubuntu, but we still have a ? under the support length [16:12] dinda: I mentioned in my email back to him that we've still not hear on that [16:12] so that's somewhat of a pressing need [16:12] I don't even know how to write my release announcement currently regarding Canonical's support [16:12] yeah, there's been no talk of formal support yet [16:13] dinda: well, there was no talk of the lack of formal support [16:13] that I'm aware of [16:13] I've never seen a Canonical statement saying they no longer offer support for Edubuntu [16:14] let me ask real quick [16:18] they say "not at the moment" [16:18] ... okay [16:18] but I suspect if a large enough customer came to us, we would definitely not turn them down [16:18] that makes for an interested release announcement ;-) [16:18] I wonder if the hang up is b/c of the ltsp stuff of the additional edu apps? [16:18] LTSP should be supported [16:19] as it's on the Ubuntu Alternate CD as well [16:19] ok, will definitely put that topic on the agenda [16:19] my guess would be it's because they don't have a person on the "inside" [16:20] i.e. how can they ensure supportability if there's nobody involved with the project [16:20] I would guess that would be the issue more than the actual packages [16:20] makes sense [16:21] jsgotangco: Hello there! long time no see you :) [16:21] dinda: i know! But I always see your facebook updates :) [16:21] in any case, I guess for karmic we just don't mention Canonical support availability and move on from there [16:21] jsgotangco: though I do follow you on FB/twitter/etc [16:22] hehe [16:25] dinda: the most important thing for me personally is that Canonical has been almost completely silent for a long long time [16:25] http://education.zdnet.com/?p=3169 [16:25] dinda: I don't like the answer "Canonical's not interested" but I appreciate it a lot more than silence [16:25] LaserJock: agreed [16:25] dinda: right [16:26] dinda: I don't see how Edubuntu can't be involved with this stuff [16:26] but we've gotten nothing [16:27] Edubuntu as a project and community is interested in Ubuntu in Education [16:27] even if that doesn't mean people using the Edubuntu DVD [16:27] although we want that to be a solid offering [16:27] and my feeling is that we're getting side-stepped and kept out of the loop quite a bit [16:28] LaserJock: I promise I'll do what I can [16:28] LaserJock: honestly if they are not up to it, they should just drop it altogether [16:28] dinda: well, thanks a ton for your efforts [16:28] and free up whatever copyright over the name [16:29] right [16:29] but I want to know either way [16:29] yes [16:29] where do we stand [16:29] what's the game plan moving forward [16:29] what are the boundaries [16:29] dinda: over here we are arranging an olpc pilot for a school to run fedora/sugar [16:30] the donor didn't like the idea of getting intel ;-) [16:30] on a slightly related topic - has anyone been asked to do an Open Week presentation for Edubuntu? [16:30] yep [16:30] stgraber is doing one [16:30] dinda: yes adding to what LaserJock said, I don't think we want to use "Ubuntu Educational edition", etc [16:31] and hopefully some us can also stop by [16:31] jsgotangco: ugh, yeah and I know morgan c and others in the sugar project are doing some great work to get sugar packaged for ubuntu [16:32] hi jsgotangco, nice to see you around again [16:32] dinda: and you of course too [16:32] yup, but I must say I'm quite impressed on the fedora 11 remix / sugar spin for a slow machine like the xo [16:32] highvoltage: hey yeah, ive been on irc but just been quiet, had a hell of a season [16:33] RH hired Mel Chua from olpc and she's rocking over there [16:33] yup mel is there [16:34] jsgotangco: how large is that pilot? [16:35] not too big we're starting with 50 in an integrated school and 200 in a public school [16:36] the 50 is interesting because it entails 2 grade levels [16:36] the 4th graders will be tasked to learn to build content for the 1st graders [16:36] ;-) [16:36] Nice! [16:38] I've definitely been feeling that Fedora and openSUSE are progressing much faster than we are [16:38] we seem to not be as agile or innovative [16:38] its a bigger community [16:38] OpenSUSE are making some nice progress indeed [16:38] jsgotangco: wow, the 4th graders making content for grade 2's is awesome! [16:39] highvoltage: it would be an interesting exercise to say the least [16:40] highvoltage: because the theory is that a 1st grader is only a consumer [16:40] while an older kind can become a producer [16:40] more complex concepts are grasped [16:40] highvoltage: thats why its so important to have an educator in a team [16:41] to make such teaching concepts [16:41] jsgotangco: when I was that age I so wanted to create content for the grades below me. I did actually and I taught my younger brother a lot of things with it [16:55] oh man it seems some northern provinces had some massive flooding again from a typhoon :/