Mamaroknini everyone00:01
RiddellScottK: I'm surprised it didn't before00:03
Riddellsweet dreams Mamarok00:03
Riddellyuriy: did you ask pitti about keeping apport on for some apps?00:17
yuriyRiddell: no i haven't. right now I don't think using it is a good idea actually -- there are two crashes and a hang in apport-kde, one we can't fix and one can't reproduce but have many reports00:38
yuriythis pykde thing is a real bugger because it effects most of our pykde stuff00:39
ScottKRiddell: It used it's own internal crash handler before (which it will still use if it's built without KDE support)00:40
* Riddell blogs http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/407400:43
Riddellyuriy: what's the issue with getting userconfig upstream?00:43
yuriyprocrastination, mostly00:44
yuriywhat's the best way to import something from bzr to svn?00:44
Riddellsvn add and ignore the history is what I tend to do00:44
Riddelljust point to the bzr archive in the comment00:45
yuriywell... that's one way to do it I guess. is it reasonable to then keep bzr as the main dev branch or would people not like that?00:45
Riddellit could be like system-config-printer-kde where it's developed in bzr when KDE is in freezes00:46
rgreeningRiddell: arora doesn't do java which was a showstopper as well :) (as I read yer blog mr evil genius') :P00:48
JontheEchidnatbh konq sucks a java too00:51
JontheEchidna*at java00:52
rgreeningbut it runs00:54
rgreeningarora doesnt support period at this point00:54
rgreeningneeds new webkit00:55
JontheEchidnaalso, our translations aren't as good as upstream's yet00:57
JontheEchidnaalmost, but not quite there yet00:57
Riddelli should add the kdeqt issue to my bugs to watch for release00:57
yuriyactually firefox sucks at java too. i usually end up using FF/windows. which sucks at java too in that it hard hangs the whole system sometimes, but at least works most of the time00:58
JontheEchidnaThe kdeqt pot fixes a few issues, but instances "Shift" in menu shortcuts are still untranslated in spanish00:58
JontheEchidna"Shift" being translated in both kdeqt.po and kdelibs4.po00:59
Riddellit's possible that java just sucks00:59
yuriyeh beats flash01:00
* rgreening agrees with Riddell01:00
DarkwingDuckHey guys01:03
DarkwingDuckThe beta download...01:03
DarkwingDuckkpackagekit will not allow you to download updates01:03
DarkwingDuckIt states that you do not have the priviladges.01:03
RiddellDarkwingDuck: known issue, apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin  on the command line should fix it01:04
DarkwingDuckI know that. I am just surprised that this hasn't been added to the .iso so people downloading wont run into it.01:05
Riddellwe can't add to an ISO01:05
* Riddell snoozes01:07
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ScottKI'd appreciate it if people could look at Bug 446826 and chime in if they have any bright ideas.02:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446826 in plasma-netbook "Plasma-netbook blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44682602:34
ScottKThat and a big chunk of the icons are missing for the netbook app launcher02:53
lex79ScottK: kdeadmin is still 4.3.1 in main02:58
lex79yes, oops :)02:59
ScottKOnce I get the netbook launcher figured out I'll look into uploading that one too.02:59
ScottKUnless nixternal gets to it before I do.02:59
ScottKlex79: When you have an unreleased changelog entry like you did in this case, combine it with yours.  I've fixed it up and so you can check what I did.04:00
ScottKlex79: Was it you working on Qt 4.5.3?  Debian fixed there's.04:03
lex79ScottK: I'm building now :)04:03
DarkwingDuckAnyone around?04:05
DarkwingDuckNeed help pin-pointing something04:06
lex79oh, forgot to merge harald's changelog, thanks04:07
ScottKHey DarkwingDuck.  Looks like I've got the same problem you do.04:07
DarkwingDuckIt's the right side that is missing04:07
shtylmanyou know... I used to look at the days countdown until release and wait with anticipation04:08
shtylmannow I look at the days countdown and go ... oh jesus. .. not enough time!04:08
JontheEchidnaYou know, that gentlebot in the Krita announcement is pretty sweet04:25
ScottKJontheEchidna: Any ideas about what might have changed in 4.3.2 to cause several catagories and a bunch of apps to go missing from the netbook app launcher?04:26
JontheEchidnanot off the top of my head. lemme check the changelog and see if anything jumps out04:27
ScottKThe kind of odd thing is the stuff went missing today, not on tuesday04:28
JontheEchidnamm, nothing in the changelog jumps out as suspicious04:29
ScottKWeird.  Well we got two people with it.04:29
ScottKShoot got it back.04:31
lex79ScottK: I uploaded qt in bzr04:31
ScottKToggled compositing off and then on04:32
yuriyok... w/e i was going to get done over the weekend.. not happening04:32
ScottKlex79: OK.04:32
ScottKJontheEchidna: I think it's kwin's fault.04:35
ScottKIf I toggle effects off/on then the missing apps reappear, but if if I switch to a different app list and then back, the problem recurs until I toggle compositing again.04:36
DarkwingDuckScottK: Bug launched04:39
lex79ScottK: only note, I removed in 4.3.2 libxcomposite-dev and libxdamage-dev from kdeplasma-addons, I added in 4.3.0 for building lancelot compositing, but no need now. Maybe cause your bug?04:40
ScottKDarkwingDuck: Do you get stuff back temporariliy if you toggle effects04:40
ScottKlex79: Perhaps.04:40
DarkwingDuckScottK: Yes04:41
ScottKlex79: Would you be up for making a PPA build with that put back?04:41
DarkwingDuckScottK: but then kdeinit4 crashed instantly04:42
lex79ScottK: wich ppa?04:42
ScottKDarkwingDuck: Same here, but just the first time i tried it.04:43
ScottKIt's not a solution, but it's a good hint.04:43
DarkwingDuckYeah, I'll add a comment to my bug.04:43
DarkwingDuckDid you get the bug?04:43
* JontheEchidna notes that whenever apport says kdeinit4 crashes, it's almost never kdeinit4 but a child process04:44
ScottKDarkwingDuck: I did04:44
ScottKLooking at it now.04:45
ScottKlex79: PPA of your choice. How about kubuntu-members (it's currently unused.04:46
DarkwingDuckScottK: You want me to add the comment with Desktop effects or do you want to do it?04:46
ScottKDarkwingDuck: I'm adding that.04:47
DarkwingDuckScottK: here is the bug I filed for the crash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/44691004:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446910 in kde4libs "kdeinit4 crashed with signal 7 in KPixmapCache::Private::mmapFile()" [Undecided,New]04:47
ScottKlex79: kdeadmin uploaded.  Thank you for noticing.04:58
JontheEchidnathat crash has been around for a while, and unfortunately became more common in 4.3 even after a supposed fix from upstream^04:59
lex79it happens here several times when toggle effects05:01
lex79uploaded here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/ppa05:01
DarkwingDuckBe back in a few05:05
ScottKlex79: Thanks.05:10
lex79no problem05:10
ScottKlex79: qt4-x11 looks sensible.  I'll upload that shortly.05:13
lex79ok, hope it fixed :)05:14
ScottKlex79: It's uploaded.  Me too.05:24
lex79build finished in ppa05:26
ScottKlex79: Which binary did those go in?05:29
lex79I think in plasma-dataengines-addons05:32
ScottKI just upgraded to whatever was in the PPA, so we'll see05:34
ScottKNope.  Didn't fix it.05:35
ScottKThanks for trying though.05:35
lex79oh :(05:35
lex79uhm qt4 ftbs on lpia, same issue there was last upload05:37
* ScottK gives up and goes to bed.05:39
ScottKGood night.05:39
NightroseRiddell: network manager seems to work ok here (sorry got distracted last night :()08:33
fabosomeone could enlight me on qt and the no-separate-debug-info changes ?09:45
faboI wonder how debug packages can be generated as default build is release and debug isn't passed.09:45
faboRiddell: ^^^ somebody to hint ? I would like to merge it for Qt 4.609:55
faboRiddell: well, forget it. I understand the trick -> strip10:12
Tonio__JontheEchidna: ping ?11:04
Tonio__JontheEchidna: the patch works :)11:04
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Riddellfabo: yeah it's just stripped like any other library11:16
Riddellfabo: do you know what the issue is with our current build failure? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33338574/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.qt4-x11_4.5.3-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz11:17
ScottKRiddell: Any thoughts on Bug 446905?11:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 446905 in plasma-netbook "Missing applications on desktop launcher" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44690511:54
ScottKIt seems kwin related to me since it's affected by toggling effects.11:54
mgraesslinScottK: do you have a screenshot of that?11:56
RiddellI don't see how compositing could affect that11:56
ScottKmgraesslin: I can make one.11:56
Riddellit's all within one plasma window11:56
mgraesslinsometimes Plasma has problems when compositing is turned off11:57
mgraesslinbut the icons shouldn't be affected11:57
ScottKMaybe compositing was a red herring.  Today toggling it didn't do anything12:02
Riddellthat has icons in it12:03
ScottKNot all of them12:03
ScottKSystem is missing12:03
ScottKHere's the internet section: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/kne_internet.png12:05
ScottKIt's missing a bunch, including konqueor (which I manually added to my favorites section to show it still exists)12:06
ScottKRiddell: ^^12:06
mgraesslinbut shouldn't be related to Compositing12:06
ScottKLast night I could get them to reappear for a bit by toggling compositing.12:06
ScottKNo idea what that means.12:07
Tonio_hum knetworkmanager doesn't handle my eth0 carad properly....12:14
Tonio_is that know regression ?12:15
Tonio_stays locked on "ifupdown (eth0)"12:15
Tonio_sorry disconnected... so am I the only one with a problem with knm and eth0 ?12:21
faboRiddell: I have the same issue (rc bug reported). Only reproducible on buildds. It builds fine on pbuilder. I'm digging into the issue since yesterday. My first attempt to fix the issue failed.12:26
RiddellTonio_: yes you're the only one (that I know of)12:32
Tonio_Riddell: kk :)12:34
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JontheEchidnaTonio_: sweet13:46
dpmJontheEchidna, sorry for not having responded to your e-mail on kubuntu-devel earlier re: kpackagekit. I can try to sort out the domain name now. What's the source package name?14:00
JontheEchidnadpm: kpackagekit :)14:00
dpmthat's an easy one, then :)14:00
dpmJontheEchidna, I'm going to change the domain name from 'KPackageKit' to 'kpackagekit'. Is that the correct domain name now, is there anything else needed?14:02
JontheEchidnadpm: that's correct. let me do a quick check to see if anything else needs done14:03
JontheEchidnaknetworkmanager's config dialog strangely got translations, so that's good14:03
dpmJontheEchidna, ok, I've changed the domain name now14:04
JontheEchidnadpm: ok, that should be all that I know about that needs changing14:05
dpmJontheEchidna, great, thanks a lot14:10
m4vI want to check, 'cause I just updated to 9.10 beta and I lost ccmake, is ccmake missing?14:12
Riddellit's in cmake-gui14:12
m4vah, thanks Riddell14:13
random_hi...i've got a question..14:14
random_the program updater says to me that i have to install 10 updates, but if i type in the konsole apt-get ... upgrade, it says that they can't be upgraded..14:16
random_these packages are kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins14:17
random_  kdm kubuntu-desktop linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic14:17
random_  plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace14:17
rgreeningrandom_: dist-upgrade probably.... cause it needs to remove or add something new14:33
rgreeningI think kpackagekit may be doing that automatically now14:34
JontheEchidnakpackagekit can add new stuff on upgrades, just not remove14:34
random_kpackagekit doesn't work at all..xD14:34
JontheEchidnait should be working with the latest updates14:34
rgreeningit does...14:34
random_ok dist-upgrade works..:)14:35
rgreeningjust not always at 100% of what is required14:35
Tonio_JontheEchidna: the qt fix works :)14:35
Tonio_JontheEchidna: there is only one problem... you need to drag twice for it to work.. for each app14:35
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I have a build in the run to fix this...14:35
danttiaptcc already can remove your packages, and hopefully in a few time will show debconf14:36
danttirandom_: ah, and it's not kpackagekit fault.14:36
JontheEchidnaright, I should say packagekit can't remove packages on upgrades14:36
JontheEchidnaTonio_: :)14:36
Tonio_JontheEchidna: 1 year of tracking... and it's almost done :)14:37
JontheEchidnadantti: would you happen to know whether it's a frontend or backend thing to be able to show warnings for unauthenticated packages before they're installed?14:37
JontheEchidnaright now it's more like "punk'd! you installed an unauthenticated package"14:37
JontheEchidnasince the warning shows after the installation is complete14:38
danttiJontheEchidna: backend thing, if it's Pk 0.4.x there is no other way, if it's Pk 0.5.x a dialog show be show (aptcc does this) if it's not showing then it's a backend missing feature14:39
JontheEchidnadantti: thanks. here's to hoping for a speedy policykit-1 frontend then :)14:39
txwikinger_workrgreening: do-release-upgrade had a problem with openoffice14:40
rgreeningtxwikinger_work: what error?14:42
txwikinger_workrgreening: A cyclic dependency with openoffice.org-filters-binfilters or something like that14:43
rgreeningdunno.. JontheEchidna any ideas?14:44
JontheEchidnaI don't know OOo stuff :(14:44
* rgreening neither14:44
rgreeningshtylman: might...14:44
KubuntiacAre we going to see a bootsplash for Kubuntu 9.10 now feature/artwork freeze have passed?14:57
Riddellwe really should have an FAQ about that14:58
KubuntiacThat would be nice... :)15:01
KubuntiacAnd the short answer is?15:01
Riddellthe idea is that X starts so quickly you don't need a splash, a splash would just delay things more15:01
Riddellwhether this works in practice is unclear15:01
KubuntiacI wonder how quickly would be quickly "enough"? I seem to remember 10 seconds bandied around somewhere...15:02
neversfeldeRiddell: currently working on koffice, I was not at home yesterday, so I am a little bit late15:05
faboRiddell: I have a fix, not tested yet. Drop -fast to generate all Makefiles including the bootstrap.15:11
faboif you could test on buildd, let me know.15:11
Riddellfabo: sure I put put it into a PPA15:11
faboon my side, I try to have a buildd access as I can't reproduce in pbuilder15:12
fabootherwise, I merged the debug stuff in my 4.6-stable branch15:13
Riddellgosh, emacs just started up with oxygen icons, spooky15:17
nixternalgood morning15:20
nixternalRiddell: emacs -nw15:20
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Riddellshtylman: what's the status of your openoffice file dialogue fixes getting into our packages?16:34
ScottKSomeone highlight me please.  I think MI might work in Quassel now.16:42
davmor2ScottK: Loser16:43
Riddellhi ScottK16:43
RiddellScottK: don't listen to davmor2, he's from wolverhampton16:43
ScottKYes, of course.16:44
ScottKSeems to work.16:44
davmor2hey you lose if it works and you lose if it doesn't.  Lose if it does cause you have no excuse for missing messages, lose if it does because it doesn't :P16:45
davmor2second should be doesn't16:45
ScottKPlease ping me again.16:45
Riddellpin ScottK16:45
davmor2ScottK: Ping16:46
Riddellhonk ScottK16:46
ScottKOne more time please.16:46
Riddelltoot ScottK16:46
Riddellahoy ScottK16:46
Riddellawooga ScottK16:46
ScottKRiddell: We still have the focus stealing prevention problem that agateau was going to work on.16:47
ScottKAlso It doesn't seem to collect anything if you have Quassel in focus, but are in another channel.16:48
RiddellScottK: agateau just did a new plasma-widget-indicatordisplay, dunno if that's related16:50
Riddellpresumably not, that would need to be quassel patches16:50
ScottKI think it would be in Quassel.16:50
SputScottK: those are different types of notifications (focused/nonfocused)16:55
Sputmaybe you have configurered them differently?16:55
SputI think by default we don't notify if Quassel is focused16:55
ScottKNot by default, but it's a nice option.16:57
ScottKSince MI doesn't have options, it might be good if it just did it.16:57
ScottKI'd really like it if the focus prevention stealing thing got fixed though as that would help both MI and regular notification uses.16:59
lex79JontheEchidna: are you working on qtcurve?new upstream release17:02
JontheEchidnalex79: I haven't done anything yet, it's all yours17:03
JontheEchidnajust make sure to get both kde and gtk styles ;-)17:03
lex79:P ok, we need FFe for both17:04
Riddelllex79: do we want/need it?17:08
SputScottK: aaah, I see, so it's configured in your KNotification stuff, but MI ignores that setting?17:09
lex79upstream seems fixed many issue http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+%28KDE4%2C+KDE3%2C+%26+Gtk2+Theme%29?content=4049217:09
Riddelllex79: only worrying thing there is "2. Config files now stored under $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/qtcurve (e.g. ~/.config/qtcurve)" do you know if it copies over old configs?17:12
lex79dunno, I should testing17:13
lex79well IoI in gtk2-engines-qtcurve < 0.68 the config file is stored in ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4, in 0.68 version is stored in ~/.config/qtcurve.gtk-icons, in 0.69 version is stored in ~/.config/qtcurve/gtk-icons17:30
lex79but seems not problem and all works very well17:30
lex79Riddell: ^^^17:30
Riddelllex79: this all sounds like troubling considering the mess we already have in /usr/bin/startkde17:33
ScottKPerhaps better to get it overwith now instead of having a location switch in both Karmic and Lucid17:34
lex79ScottK: I can put it to ppa for testing for now17:36
RiddellI can't even understand what the stuff in startkde currently does17:37
yuriylet's get rid of the stuff you don't understand and see if it magically gets uber fast :P17:40
lex79uploaded in ppa17:40
lex79yuriy: IoI17:40
Riddellneversfelde: I've uploaded wv2_0.4.1 to kubuntu-ppa/experimental incase koffice people want to use it, but I don't think we can do anything with it for karmic since koffice 1 won't work with it18:00
neversfeldeRiddell: k, I think the new support for ms office files need it and I had plans to backport it myself18:01
neversfeldealthough I haven't tested it ,yet18:01
lex79ScottK: I'm going to building qt4 again :)18:05
ScottKGood luck18:05
Tonio_Riddell: talking about startkde, we should consider putting all our changes in a script we can ship with KDS, and only include it in startkde18:29
Tonio_Riddell: cleaner and would avoid reworking the patch + rebuild startkde so often....18:29
Tonio_Riddell: don't you think ?18:29
Tonio_too late for karmic, but on the long term....18:30
Tonio_JontheEchidna: patched qt shoul be testable in an hour18:31
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I probably won't be there, but feel free to test if you want :)18:31
Tonio_hum should we go with latest kdenlive ? it's supposed to fix several issues, but on the other side, requires a hudge amount of work...18:37
Tonio_packaging latest mlt and mlt++, and so on...18:37
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like your opinion since writing an FFE for this might need everal hours of packaging....18:37
Tonio_Riddell: I think we should go for it18:38
ScottKTonio_: kdenlive I think we want the latest18:38
ScottKTonio_: Also, no more mlt++, it's part of mlt now.18:38
Tonio_ScottK: I think so, so I'll do all the stuff18:38
ScottKSince it's Universe, vorian can bless it.18:38
Tonio_ScottK: since when ?18:38
Tonio_0.4.5 ?18:38
ScottKI don't recall the version, but during this cycle.18:39
Tonio_ho no you mean the same source package... right18:39
Tonio_ScottK: ok so that means 2 FFE18:39
Tonio_ScottK: I'll do that tomorrow morning then... no time today18:39
ScottKI'd go with one FFe affecting two packages.18:39
Tonio_hum no other packages depend on mlt, so that's right18:39
Tonio_ScottK: mlt is already in debian, that'll help :)18:40
Tonio_ScottK: ok I'll go for that then...18:41
DarkwingDuckScottK: Did you find a perm fix?18:43
DarkwingDuckOur temp fix isn't working anymore lol18:44
ScottKDarkwingDuck: Nope.  And flipping compositing off/on doesn't help me either18:44
ScottKI tried reinstalling plasma-netbook and also recompiling it with
DarkwingDuckIt worked once last night then nothing.18:45
lex79ftbs again, http://pastebin.ca/160764718:51
lex79oh, ok http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c6de5fc91ec14181b3ba8e750d441d47f593f4a :)18:53
Tonio_lex79: that's really a nightmare, since it builds correctly in a PPA :(18:53
Tonio_also works in pbuilder18:53
Tonio_lex79: see https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa/+build/128421018:54
lex79yes :( I'm going to try the fabo's fix18:54
Tonio_lex79: I got no pb with the same source package that fails in the archives...18:54
Tonio_lex79: maybe the build log will help you to figure out what happens...18:54
Tonio_btw reboot time for me, I have to make sure, my qt fix works, so rebooting is better :)18:55
lex79thanks Tonio_18:55
Tonio_lex79: you're welcome18:56
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ping19:31
fabolex79: no need to. riddell has a running ppa build with the fix.19:33
faboand afaics, the fix worked :D19:34
lex79fabo: ok19:34
fabobtw, you looked at the wrong branch :) the one you pointed is the 4.6 work ;)19:36
lex79yes I know, but without -fast and without -no-separate-debug-info is still ftbs, see http://pastebin.ca/160764719:39
lex79so I looked for the fix in 4.6 git:)19:40
fabolex79: drop -fast only for 4.5.319:41
fabo-no-separate-debug-info is needed for 4.5 and 4.619:42
faboyour ftbfs is something different from the bootstrap issue19:43
JontheEchidnaany core-dev around that can sponsor konversation from bzr?19:45
neversfeldeFile koffice_2.0.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc mentioned in the changes has a checksum mismatch21:11
neversfeldewhat's the problem here?21:11
JontheEchidnavorian: bug 43272521:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 432725 in kmymoney2 "[FFe] New upstream release (kmymoney2 1.0.2)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43272521:43
neversfeldemhh, seems that it was an upload problem21:45
JontheEchidnaTonio_: cursors are working here :)22:27
shtylmanRiddell: some of them have already been incorporated, another patch will go out to ccheney this weekend that addresses a few more of the bugs23:46

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